IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)

[Lee W McKnight]

Michael,

I agree with Norbert and McTim that - some more folks - should be encouraged to participate in IETF events. I am not saying it is prerequisite for other forms of participation, but. Whether those attending should be affiliated with government or business or cs is a separate, and variable, issue.

Info on fellowships for IETF attendees available from ISOC for developing expertise and experience for meaningful participation in IETF is at:

http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/ietf-fellowships

Lee

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:08 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Norbert Bollow'
Subject: RE: IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)

Norbert, as I said earlier I have no direct knowledge of the IETF, what I do
know from my experience with various LDC's is that they are unlikely to have
the expertise required for participation. Further it would not be seen as a
useful use of resources to acquire the expertise since the issues being
addressed were not ones that would be appearing on the political/policy
radar to those making such decisions.

Many/most would be relying on the ITU to guide them in these areas and to
provide training as might be seen as necessary/useful.

So, what is necessary I think, is to recognize that in the absence of
effective and visibly effective participation the political battles that
will be fought in its absence are less likely to have generally useful and
acceptable outcomes.

For our purposes here it is eminently more desireable to separate out
technical from policy issues surrounding EC and to ensure that the broadest
possible consensus is achieved around the means for moving forward on both
of these fronts since the Internet policy related issues at least, are
starting to very quickly appear on the political/policy radar in a number of
LDC's--some for "good" reasons but many for less beneficent ones.

Having an appropriately structured session discussing at least the policy
aspects of EC at the IGF would I think, be an important beginning in this
process.

M

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:51 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality
check on economics)


Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem is that for many "poor countries (LDC's)" there is no
> "private sector" in this area and for the most part no civil society
> with the expertise or the financial resources to participate in these
> discussions or to acquire the requisite expertise. So in the absence
> of governmental involvement there will be no involvement from those
> parts of the world at all.

Do these governments participate in IETF and the other global Internet
governance structures where everyone is welcome to participate?

If not, why not?

Greetings,
Norbert




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