IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality check on economics)

[michael gurstein]

McTim,

The problem is that for many "poor countries (LDC's)" there is no "private
sector" in this area and for the most part no civil society with the
expertise or the financial resources to participate in these discussions or
to acquire the requisite expertise. So in the absence of governmental
involvement there will be no involvement from those parts of the world at
all.  

That might serve the interests of some quite well, but not surprisingly the
folks in those countries without representation are beginning to feel
somewhat aggrieved.

The desire to keep governments out of technical areas is very likely a
commendable one, but in that instance it behooves the supporters of that
position to find some other means to ensure that those currently without a
voice in those discussions are provided with a means to have such a
participation.

The status quo always favours the incumbent. 

M
 
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Subject: Re: IETF WAS Re: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation (was Re: reality
check on economics)


On 5/29/12, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guru
>
> The questions you pose are important and not adequately addressed 
> under this header, especially as regards principled positions. There 
> is adequate attention paid to reform (which is essentially about
> "effectiveness") but less about principled (or dare I say it on this 
> list "radical") positions. International law, or governance, is both 
> about effectiveness AND legitimacy. Without this parallax view, these 
> discussions become mired in convolutions as the subject matter (and/or
> goal) is not clearly articulated - i.e. terrain specificity.
>
> It is NOT possible to argue or intimate that ICANN is legitimate,


of course it is possible.


even
> though some try to do so. It may be effective, like IETF, but 
> legitimacy will always be elusive, given current arrangements. 
> Inadequacies abound about the lack of legitimacy, gTlds, intellectual 
> property and also the thwarting of the will of many poor countries to 
> have some legitimate control over CIR.

nation states should have zero "control" over CIRs, rich or poor!


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



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