From Guru at ITforChange.net Fri May 11 05:24:10 2012 From: Guru at ITforChange.net (=?UTF-8?B?R3VydSDgpJfgpYHgpLDgpYE=?=) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:54:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] Civil Society Statement at the upcoming UN meeting on democratizing global governance of the Internet Message-ID: <4FACDABA.9000201@ITforChange.net> Dear friends, As per the UN General Assembly resolution of December 2011, the UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development is holding a one day meeting on 'Enhanced Cooperation on Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet' on 18th of May in Geneva.This important meeting will take stock of the future directions for global Internet governance and what may be needed to democratise it. *A joint statement by civil society organisations and individuals is being proposed on this occasion*. The statement is enclosed and also provided below. A document on 'background' information is also enclosed. This is a call to support and endorse the statement. We urge you to please pass this on to *your networks*as well. We are happy to provide any clarification that may be needed, and to engage further on this subject. *If you would like to support this statement, kindly send your endorsement – organisational or personal – to itfc at itforchange.net , before 16*^*th* *May.* ** ** Guru Director, IT for Change /In Special Consultative Status with the United Nations ECOSOC /www.ITforChange.Net | Cell:91 9845437730 | Tel:91 80 26654134, 26536890 /*On behalf of the proposing organisations */ *Call for Support and Endorsement* /_*Global Governance of the Internet must be Democratised!*_/ /A joint statement by civil society organisations for the UN CSTD meeting on 'Enhanced Cooperation on Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet' to take place in Geneva on May 18^th , 2012/ /*proposed by */ /*Focus on the Global South *(Thailand),*Instituto Nupef *(Brazil)*, IT for Change *(India)*, */ /*Knowledge Commons *(India),*Other News (*Italy),*Third World Network *(Malaysia)**/ /*and endorsed by */ /*organisations and individuals listed at the end of the statement*/ The Internet is a major force today, restructuring our economic, social, political and cultural systems. Most people implicitly assume that it is basically a beneficent force, needing, if at all, some caution only at the user-end. This may have been true in the early stages when the Internet was created and sustained by benevolent actors, including academics, technologists, and start-up enterprises that challenged big businesses. However, we are getting past that stage now. What used to be a public network of millions of digital spaces, is now largely a conglomeration of a few proprietary spaces. (A few websites like Google, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon together make much of what is considered the Internet by most people today.) We are also moving away from a browser-centric architecture of the 'open' Internet to an applications-driven mobile Internet, that is even more closed and ruled by proprietary spaces (like App Store and Android Market). *In fact, some Internet plans for mobiles come**only with a few big websites and applications, without the open 'public' Internet, which is an ominous pointer to what the future Internet may look like. *What started off as a global public resource is well on its way to becoming a set of monopoly private enclosures, and a means for entrenching dominant power. *At this stage, it is crucial to actively defend and promote the Internet's immense potential as a democratic and egalitarian force, including through appropriate principles and policies at the global level.* /*Who governs the Internet*/ It is a myth that /'the Internet is not governed by anyone'/. It is also not a coincidence nor a natural order of things that the Internet, and through it, our future societies, are headed in the way of unprecedented private gate-keeping and rentier-ing. The architecture of the Internet is being actively shaped today by the most powerful forces, both economic and political. A few US based companies increasingly have monopoly control over most of the Internet. The US government itself controls some of the most crucial nodes of the global digital network. *Together, these two forces, in increasing conjunction, are determining the techo-social structure of a new unipolar world.*It is important for progressive actors to urgently address this situation, through seeking globally democratic forms of governance of the Internet. While the US government and US based monopoly Internet companies already have a close working relationship to support and further each other's power, this relationship is now being formalised through new power compacts; whether in the area of extra-territorial IP enforcement (read, global economic extraction) through legislations like _SOPA _, or in the area of security (read, global extension of coercive power) through cyber-security legislations like _CIPSA _. The US government has stubbornly refused to democratise the oversight of the Internet's root server and domain name system, which it controls. While the US pooh-poohs the security concerns expressed by other countries vis-a-vis such unacceptable unilateralism, rather hypocritically, it seeks to contractually obligate the non-profit managing these key infrastructures to appoint its security officials only on US government advice. (The chief security officer of this non-profit body is already, in fact, a sworn member of the 'Homeland Security Advisory Council' of the US!) Apart from the direct application of US law and whims (think _Wikileaks _) over the global Internet, and Internet-based social activity (increasingly a large part of our social existence), default global law is also being written by the clubs of powerful countries that routinely draft Internet policies and policy frameworks today. The OECD and Council of Europe are two active sites of such policy making,covering areas like cyber-security, Internet intermediary liability, search engines, social networking sites etc. Last year, OECD came out with its '_Principles for Internet Policy-Making _'. These Principles, heavy on IP enforcement and private policing through large North-based Internet companies, are to guide Internet policies in all OECD countries. Recently, OECD decided to 'invite' other, non-OECD, countries to accede to these Principles. *This is the new paradigm of global governance, where the powerful countries make the laws and the rest of the world must accept and implement them. * /*Who is not allowed at the governance table*/ While Northern countries are very active at Internet related policy- and law-making, which have extra-territorial ambition and reach, they strongly resist any UN based initiative for development of global Internet principles and policies.*This is in keeping with the increasingly common Northern efforts at undermining UN/ multi-lateral frameworks in other global governance arenas*like trade, IP etc. For instance; trying to keep global financial systems out of UNCTAD's purview at the recent Doha UNCTAD meeting , and bringing in Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) as a new instrument of extra-territorial IP enforcement by the OECD, bypassing WIPO. The mandate of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) for building a globally democratic space for developing Internet related global policies is quite clear. The WSIS _outcome document _states that, “the process towards enhanced cooperation (on Internet-related international public policies), (is) to be started by the UN Secretary-General ... by the end of the first quarter of 2006”. However, six years down the line, developed countries do not seem to be willing to even formally discuss how to operationalise this very important WSIS mandate of 'enhanced cooperation', much less do something concrete about it. /*OUR DEMAND - Internet Governance must be democratised*/ *We, the undersigned civil society organisations,**affirm that the Internet must be governed democratically*, with the equal involvement of all people, groups and countries. Its governance systems must be open, transparent and inclusive, with civil society given adequate avenues of meaningful substantive participation. While we denounce statist control over the Internet sought by many governments at national levels, we believe that the struggle at the global level also has significant dynamics of a different kind. *Our demands with respect to 'global' Internet Governance espouse a simple and obvious democratic logic.*On the technical governance side, the oversight of the Internet's critical technical and logical infrastructure, at present with the US government, should be transferred to an appropriate, democratic and participative, multi-lateral body, without disturbing the existing distributed architecture of technical governance of the Internet in any significant way. (However, improvements in the technical governance systems are certainly needed.) On the side of larger Internet related public policy-making on global social, economic, cultural and political issues, the OECD-based model of global policy making, as well as the default application of US laws, should be replaced by a new UN-based democratic mechanism. Any such new arrangement should be based on the principle of subsidiarity, and be innovative in terms of its mandate, structure, and functions, to be adequate to the unique requirements of global Internet governance. It must be fully participative of all stakeholders, promoting the democratic and innovative potential of the Internet. The Internet should be governed on the principles of human liberty, equality and fraternity. It should be based on the accepted principle of the indivisibility of human rights;civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights, and also people's collective right to development. *A rights-based agenda should be developed as an alternative to the current neo-liberal model driving the development of the Internet,*and the evolution of an information society. The UN is the appropriate place for developing and implementing such an alternative agenda. Expedient labelling by the most powerful forces in the Internet arena, of the UN, and of developing countries, as being interested /only/in 'controlling the Internet', and under this cover, continually shaping the architecture of the Internet and its social paradigm to further their narrow interests, is a bluff that must be called. We demand that a *Working Group of the UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development (CSTD) be instituted to explore possible ways of implementing 'enhanced cooperation' for global Internet-related policies*. (Such a CSTD Working Group is also being sought by some developing countries.) 'Enhanced cooperation' must be implemented through innovative multi-lateral mechanisms, that are participatory. Internet policy-making cannot be allowed to remain the preserve of one country or clubs of rich countries. *If the Internet is to promote democracy in the world*, which incidentally is the much touted agenda of the US and other Northern countries, *the Internet itself has, first, to be governed democratically.* /*Click here for the current list of signatories to the joint civil society statement */ /**//*Click here to endorse the statement */ ******** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Background information.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 47475 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri May 11 11:10:15 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:10:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <59E98D39B4254E79BF7F6E1491E14352@UserVAIO> References: <59E98D39B4254E79BF7F6E1491E14352@UserVAIO> Message-ID: <4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> dear michael i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at the OGP process a lot! i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' the idea this gave me is that is needed is a process that will build such a declaration on EC - process which is inclusive of a wide range of instutitions, constituencies etc. so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement on a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international internet governance' anriette On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: > In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely > close attention to the Open Government Partnership > which I pointed to earlier. > > The OGP has a formal "Declaration > " > (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which > Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner > country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted > based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going > performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their > stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward > looking provisions of the Charter. > > Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" > in the Partnership with certain designated rights and > responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall > Partnership. > > Although there are a number of elements still in the process of > being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in > the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which > EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and > which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic > Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global > Governance in the Age of the Internet. > > Best, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: >> > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present > concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the > larger CS involved with IG. > >> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. >> > > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no > traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by > the values that you mention. > >> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. >> > > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's > Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global > Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong > linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF > proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it > must be spelt out. > > Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim > arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of > being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention > on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the > right body for global governance of the global internet, which is > fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. > > If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. > > Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is > simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet > governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, > involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not > acceptable. > > parminder > >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >> >> >> Dear Bill, Adam and all >> >> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. >> >> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. >> >> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). >> >> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. >> >> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. >> >> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. >> >> Anriette >> >> 11:00- >> 13:00 >> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications >> 15:00- >> 18:00 >> General discussion >> >> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft >>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules >>> of engagement for other attendees…? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>>> meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>>> >>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >>>> the request along to governments etc… >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> *************************************************** >>>> William J. Drake >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>>> >>>> www.williamdrake.org >>>> **************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Fri May 11 11:51:59 2012 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:51:59 +0000 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> References: <59E98D39B4254E79BF7F6E1491E14352@UserVAIO>,<4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B0D8314@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Hi, Anriette, I think you meant: "Declaration on Inclusive International Multi-Stakeholder Open Internet Governance" Lee ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of Anriette Esterhuysen [anriette at apc.org] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:10 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva dear michael i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at the OGP process a lot! i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' the idea this gave me is that is needed is a process that will build such a declaration on EC - process which is inclusive of a wide range of instutitions, constituencies etc. so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement on a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international internet governance' anriette On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: > In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely > close attention to the Open Government Partnership > which I pointed to earlier. > > The OGP has a formal "Declaration > " > (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which > Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner > country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted > based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going > performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their > stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward > looking provisions of the Charter. > > Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" > in the Partnership with certain designated rights and > responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall > Partnership. > > Although there are a number of elements still in the process of > being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in > the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which > EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and > which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic > Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global > Governance in the Age of the Internet. > > Best, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: >> > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present > concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the > larger CS involved with IG. > >> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. >> > > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no > traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by > the values that you mention. > >> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. >> > > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's > Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global > Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong > linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF > proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it > must be spelt out. > > Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim > arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of > being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention > on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the > right body for global governance of the global internet, which is > fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. > > If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. > > Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is > simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet > governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, > involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not > acceptable. > > parminder > >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >> >> >> Dear Bill, Adam and all >> >> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. >> >> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. >> >> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). >> >> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. >> >> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. >> >> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. >> >> Anriette >> >> 11:00- >> 13:00 >> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications >> 15:00- >> 18:00 >> General discussion >> >> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft >>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules >>> of engagement for other attendees…? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>>> meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>>> >>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >>>> the request along to governments etc… >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> *************************************************** >>>> William J. Drake >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>>> >>>> www.williamdrake.org >>>> **************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Fri May 11 15:07:32 2012 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Re: Call for NomCom volunteers of 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336763252.25391.YahooMailNeo@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I Volunteer Shaila The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Deirdre Williams To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Izumi AIZU Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Call for NomCom volunteers of 25 OK - I do. Deirdre On 24 April 2012 19:10, Izumi AIZU wrote: A few days more to go, and we need 9 more people to volunteer for NomCom candidates. Please JUST DO IT, Now!! > >Izumi > >2012年4月16日月曜日 Izumi AIZU iza at anr.org: > > >Hi, so far, I received following 15 volunteers. >> >>Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>Iliya Bazlyankov >>Ginger Paque >>Charity Gamboa-Embley >>Sonigitu Ekpe >>Adam Peake >>Kerry Brown >>Ian Peter >>Thomas Lowenhaupt >>Baudouin Schombe >>Sunil Abraham >>Shaila Mistry >>Wilson Abigaba >>Dixie Hawtin >>Julián Casasbuenas G. >> >>10 more to go by the end of April. >>Please consider yourself. >> >>izumi >> > > >-- >                     >> Izumi Aizu << >Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >        Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,           >                               Japan >                             * * * * * >                          www.anr.org > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From zads911 at msn.com Sun May 13 04:03:49 2012 From: zads911 at msn.com (Mohamed zahran) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:03:49 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: Call for NomCom volunteers of 25 In-Reply-To: <1334206046.31339.YahooMailMobile@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1334206046.31339.YahooMailMobile@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I volunteer . Regards, Mohamed Zahran Business Systems Analyst Cell: +20129614467 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:47:26 -0700 From: shailam at yahoo.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org CC: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Call for NomCom volunteers of 25 Resending the following I volunteer . Shaila From: Izumi AIZU ; To: ; Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro ; Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Call for NomCom volunteers of 25 Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 4:25:24 AM Hi, We got 13 now. Just half. 12 more to go. As you know, this is to randomly select 5+ Appeal Team members (including reserve), so it is around 20% probability to become the member. In the past, there have been no case dealt by the Appeals team. It is only when minimum of 4 IGC members could not accept the Co-coordinators decision, they can appeal to this team. So, again 12 more, please. izumi 2012/4/9 Izumi AIZU : > Dear List, > > So far, the following ten people have volunteered for the Appeals Team > pool. Thank you for the commitment. > > If you sent your name but not appearing here, please let us know. > There are a few messages sent directly to the coordinators, but not > to the list, because, perhaps, they were sent from the different email > address than the registered one to the list. > > We need 15 more. The earlier, the better. > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Iliya Bazlyankov > Ginger Paque > Charity Gamboa-Embley > Sonigitu Ekpe > Adam Peake > Kerry Brown > Ian Peter > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Baudouin Schombe > > ------------- > > Many thanks, > > izumi -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Sun May 13 05:18:31 2012 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:18:31 +0200 Subject: [governance] Civil Society Statement at the upcoming UN meeting on democratizing global governance of the Internet In-Reply-To: <4FACDABA.9000201@ITforChange.net> References: <4FACDABA.9000201@ITforChange.net> Message-ID: I endorse the proposed statement. Louis Pouzin internet pioneer - - - On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Guru गुरु wrote: > ** > Dear friends, > > As per the UN General Assembly resolution of December 2011, the UN > Commission on Science and Technology for Development is holding a one day > meeting on 'Enhanced Cooperation on Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the > Internet' on 18th of May in Geneva. This important meeting will take > stock of the future directions for global Internet governance and what may > be needed to democratise it. * A joint statementby civil society organisations and individuals is being proposed on this > occasion*. The statement is enclosed and also provided below. A document > on 'background' information is also enclosed. > > This is a call to support and endorse the statement. We urge you to > please pass this on to *your networks* as well. We are happy to provide > any clarification that may be needed, and to engage further on this > subject. *If you would like to support this statement, kindly send your > endorsement – organisational or personal – to itfc at itforchange.net, > before 16**th* *May.* > ** > * * > Guru > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To note some of points of discussion: From Wolfgang May 13, 2012 4:59:24 AM EDT > a body which is able to produce rough consensus Consensus implies legitimacy. In the case of civil society, that encompasses several billion folks. A handful of individuals, debating on a listserve, just are not - in the end - able to proclaim, with any credibility, that consensus. Very much more to the point - aggregating all the many, many views is one crux of the question. As below. > hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network > thinking for the 21st century Hierarchy is gone, network is in? Humans have been operating with social networks for thousands of years, at the least. Most decidedly there is nothing new underlying, certainly not on account of a calendar system that by happenstance turned a triple zero number, 2000 ... Nor have the hierarchical inclinations, also hard-wired into the genome, suddenly gone into hibernation. Evolution does not work that way. What could be new is some thinking that artfully understood, better, how these weave together. To address, notably, the aggregation of views question. As indeed Parminder asks May 13, 2012 5:53:44 AM EDT > tell us clearly what would be the structure of this new mechanism, > what functions will it perform, and how, what would be its outcomes > and how will they be implemented. Then again from Wolfgang > CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate > in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table On the one side, Realpolitik alerts that power is the underlying issue. Those who have it - governments, particularly of the North; increasingly BRIC countries et al,; several large private actors; among others - will not be ceding that power without good reason. As the interminable discussion of EC illustrates. At the same time on the other side, the prospect for some new, more suitable arrangements - as Wolfgang brings up - do turn it seems on an appeal to “more democracy.” A shibboleth that may, because its claims are sound, be more than a rallying cry for change. Power may actually shift. A robust democracy, built from understanding the mix of hierarchy and network, one that actually achieves legitimate aggregation of views - in other words, this could be a democracy that actually moves toward lofty goals. As Paul Lehto has said more than once, but once again here May 8, 2012 2:28:06 PM EDT > the "stakeholder" stuff can at most only be seen as an intermediate > and transition-state to real democracy. WSIS Forum week, MAG, IGF consultations, EC the end of the week - these will all take our time. In the meantime these large questions will not go away. David ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon May 14 23:26:00 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:26:00 -0700 Subject: [governance] A Truly World-Wide Web: Assessing the Internet from the Perspective of Human Rights Message-ID: <83815E98A47D4994B1D263513C87DB2E@UserVAIO> http://www.law-democracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/final-Internet.pdf A Truly World-Wide Web: Assessing the Internet from the Perspective of Human Rights Centre for Law and Democracy (CLD), Halifax, NS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jovank at diplomacy.edu Tue May 15 04:56:21 2012 From: jovank at diplomacy.edu (Jovan Kurbalija) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:56:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <63497E3F-B109-45FE-BACB-DC70C7758362@post.harvard.edu> References: <63497E3F-B109-45FE-BACB-DC70C7758362@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <4FB21A35.2010208@diplomacy.edu> It is a good point questioning some of the IG mantras. I wonder if one could argue that the online world is more hierarchical and territorial than the 'normal' world. A few points... The term 'hierarchy' is used so loosely, mainly in a negative context. It is a part of a government-bashing trend. But, hierarchy was not invented by bureaucrats as I heard at one recent conference in Geneva. It is a natural (or even mathematical) principle of making order. In human society, the main question is what the nature of the hierarchy is. Is it fixed and blocked by political, family, or economic reasons or open to newcomers? In the online world, you have hierarchy everywhere. How many followers do you have on Twitter or Facebook? How does your website rank on Google? The possibility that you may start your online business anywhere does not work easily in practice. Zuckerberg had to go to Silicon Valley and identify various hierarchies (venture capital, engineers, marketing) that helped him to make Facebook a great success. In many cases hierarchy is not explicit, but this does not mean that it does not exist. Paradoxically, in a way, governments are honest by making their hierarchies explicit (military, diplomatic and diplomatic ranks)? Another modern mantra is the 'end of territoriality'. You know the usual arguments that you can hear in IG parlance... the Internet is free from territorial bonds, etc. Is it true? Not necessarily. Our location can be easily identified via geo-location, GPS, and other devices. The fact that we can be ANYwhere (virtuality) does not mean that we can be NOwhere. And, when we are SOMEwhere we are more territorial in our online worlds than in our traditional worlds. Should we revisit these - and other - mantras? On 5/15/12 12:28 AM, David Allen wrote: > This question - of what might be some new form of governance - is a > perennial for IGC. We have circled around it, by now several times. > > To note some of points of discussion: > > From Wolfgang > May 13, 2012 4:59:24 AM EDT >> a body which is able to produce rough consensus > > > Consensus implies legitimacy. In the case of civil society, that > encompasses several billion folks. > > A handful of individuals, debating on a listserve, just are not - in > the end - able to proclaim, with any credibility, that consensus. > > Very much more to the point - aggregating all the many, many views is > one crux of the question. As below. > >> hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network >> thinking for the 21st century > > > Hierarchy is gone, network is in? > > Humans have been operating with social networks for thousands of > years, at the least. Most decidedly there is nothing new underlying, > certainly not on account of a calendar system that by happenstance > turned a triple zero number, 2000 ... Nor have the hierarchical > inclinations, also hard-wired into the genome, suddenly gone into > hibernation. Evolution does not work that way. > > What could be new is some thinking that artfully understood, better, > how these weave together. To address, notably, the aggregation of > views question. > > As indeed Parminder asks > May 13, 2012 5:53:44 AM EDT >> tell us clearly what would be the structure of this new mechanism, >> what functions will it perform, and how, what would be its outcomes >> and how will they be implemented. > > > > Then again from Wolfgang >> CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate in >> Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table > > > On the one side, Realpolitik alerts that power is the underlying > issue. Those who have it - governments, particularly of the North; > increasingly BRIC countries et al,; several large private actors; > among others - will not be ceding that power without good reason. As > the interminable discussion of EC illustrates. > > At the same time on the other side, the prospect for some new, more > suitable arrangements - as Wolfgang brings up - do turn it seems on an > appeal to “more democracy.” A shibboleth that may, because its claims > are sound, be more than a rallying cry for change. Power may actually > shift. > > A robust democracy, built from understanding the mix of hierarchy and > network, one that actually achieves legitimate aggregation of views - > in other words, this could be a democracy that actually moves toward > lofty goals. > > > As Paul Lehto has said more than once, but once again here > May 8, 2012 2:28:06 PM EDT >> the "stakeholder" stuff can at most only be seen as an intermediate >> and transition-state to real democracy. > > > > WSIS Forum week, MAG, IGF consultations, EC the end of the week - > these will all take our time. In the meantime these large questions > will not go away. > > David > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- *Jovan Kurbalija, PhD* Director, DiploFoundation Rue de Lausanne 56 *| *1202 Geneva*|***Switzerland *Tel.*+41 (0) 22 7410435 *| **Mobile.*+41 (0) 797884226 *Email: *jovank at diplomacy.edu*| **Twitter:*@jovankurbalija *The latest from Diplo: *Learn about Internet governance and ICT policy: enrol for the 2012 Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme (more info ). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu May 17 11:31:20 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:31:20 -0700 Subject: [governance] IGC Talking Points for Enhanced Cooperation workshop Message-ID: <3BD8FCF856BE4C14A2583A50BB3179ED@UserVAIO> In light of the earlier discussions concerning EC, both concerning the broader definition/framework for EC as introduced by myself and the discussions around the ITfC and APC letters, the following description of EC in the context of Open Government and "Enhanced Cooperation" as represented by the Open Government Partnership might be of some interest. (The below is taken from the Introduction to a Survey being circulated by a sub-Committee of the Steering Committee of the Open Government Partnership which includes both governmental and CS representation.) It seems to me that in areas where there is a broad (but not necessarily universal) multi-stakeholder consensus (as for example in certain areas of EC) the below provides a useful and about to be tested method for moving from good intentions to practical, transparent and accountable implementation. Something to my mind which the current discussion, IGF and "talking point" sorely are lacking. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Standards and Criteria sub-committee of the Open Government Partnership Steering Committee is responsible for putting forward recommendations on the Independent Reporting Mechanism. Civil society steering committee members on the Standards and Criteria sub-committee include Juan Pardinas, IMCO; Martin Tisne, the Omidyar Network; Suneeta Kaimal Revenue Watch Institute; and Warren Krafchik, International Budget Partnership (in his capacity as civil society co-chair). They will discuss the IRM in the subcommittee on May 24 and 25. Preliminary discussions about the IRM occurred during previous Open Government Partnership Steering Committee meetings (all minutes and materials are available online at http://www.opengovpartnership.org/news). These discussions have informed the following conception of the IRM: "The Independent Reporting Mechanism (IRM) is to be a key means by which all stakeholders can track the progress of OGP participating countries in implementing their commitments, as well as promote strong accountability between member governments and citizens. Every year, OGP will issue an independent assessment report for each OGP participating country, as a complement to governments' own self-assessment reports and independent civil society monitoring. The IRM is in charge of overseeing this process on behalf of OGP to ensure its credibility and independence. IRM reports will look at whether governments implemented the commitments made within their country action plans as well as whether they followed the OGP guidelines in developing that plan. IRM reports takes the commitments governments have made at face value, and assesses to what extent governments have delivered on these commitments. The IRM will also assess and verify to the extent possible the improvements these commitments have made for citizens. These reports are intended to help promote stronger accountability between citizens and their governments, and ensure governments are living up to OGP process requirements. The IRM will be overseen by an international expert panel appointed by the OGP Steering Committee. The expert panel will be charged with identifying respected local experts in each OGP participating country to draft these reports. Additionally this expert panel will develop a common framework and questionnaire for all local country researchers, and provide peer review to ensure that the highest standards of research and due diligence are applied for every report. The final country reports will be drafted by well-respected local experts from each OGP member country, using the IRM's common framework, drawing on a combination of interviews with local OGP stakeholders, analysis of relevant data, and governments' own self-assessment reports." Your responses to the questions below will help us to understand civil society expectations of the IRM and on how to shape the mechanism. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to be in touch. We anticipate further discussions over the next few months about reporting templates, dissemination of the reports and ensuring the quality of the reports ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 18 17:03:24 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:03:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] My personal intervention at the CSTD meeting Message-ID: Thank you Mr Chairman, My name its Avri Doria. I have been a network software engineer and protocol designer for over 30 years and am an active civil society participant involved in the process of Internet governance. With the resolution on the mandate of the IGF, the UN General Assembly unfortunately tore apart what the text of the Tunis agenda had put together. Paragraphs 67 through 78 had described a forum that included the special task of enhanced cooperation as well as other topics within the broader subject of Internet governance. Over the years, and despite the insistence of many that the IGF was not responsible for Enhanced Cooperation, Enhanced Cooperation occurred nonetheless. In many cases with the benefit of the environment provided by the IGF and the voluntary cooperation of the major institutions responsible for managing critical Internet resources, forward steps were taken in Enhancing Cooperation - Governments are developing a strong and active voice in the existing Internet governance institutions. Unfortunately many of the interventions today have been nearly identical to interventions given before 2006, in that they do not recognize the progress that has been made. The drive to create yet another mechanism for Enhanced Cooperation risks being a distraction to the progress currently being made, while everyone works one more time on the correct methods for the new mechanisms, opportunities for Enhanced Cooperation will be lost. The IGF might not have been ready for EC in the beginning, but over the years it has handled many issues once thought too hot to handle, e.g. critical Internet resources has been discussed in the IGF in an open and productive way. It is ready to handle EC now. The optimal solution would be to refer the subject of enhanced cooperation to the IGF, thus leveraging the capabilities that the forum has developed in Multistakeholder Cooperation. I believe that if we wish to succeed in making further progress in Enhanced Cooperation, no better mechanism could be found than the maturity the IGF has attained at bringing together stakeholders on an equal footing. If a working group on enhanced cooperation is formed, it should be done in the context of the IGF or at the very least in close collaboration with the IGF and its MAG. In any case it is critical that any working group that is be formed be one where all stakeholders participate on equal footing. Thank you. avri ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 20 03:29:07 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:59:07 +0530 Subject: [governance] : "It is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today" - UN expert on cultural rights Message-ID: <4FB89D43.5050600@itforchange.net> Hi all See as below a statement issued by the UN Special Rapporteur on Cultural Rights, noting that "it is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today". Welcoming the yesterday's meeting on enhanced cooperation, the statement underlines the urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance and architecture. The statement also stresses the need to uphold the principle of network neutrality. (We ourselves think it is important to bring the discussion about this basic architectural principle of the Internet to global IG spaces, which really hasnt happened in an effective manner. The manner in which the issue of global network neutrality remains unaddressed also quite effectively highlights the problem of 'what happens next' after a global IG issue has been discussed and re-discussed in the IGF) . BTW, we are also happy to note that the Special Rapporteur takes a positive note of the civil society joint statement on democratisation of global governance of the Internet, (issued by more that 50 CS organisations). parminder , IT for Change ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *(issued as received)* M/12/15 18 May 2012 *"It is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today" -- UN expert on cultural rights* (GENEVA. 18 May 2012) -- "With the Internet becoming such a powerful medium through which individuals exercise a wide range of human rights, it is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today," said the United Nations Special Rapporteur on cultural rights, Farida Shaheed, adding that a "human-rights based approach to the issue should always be adopted". "Since the Internet is essentially a global resource, it is crucial that appropriate Internet governance supports the right of everyone to have access to and use information and communication technologies in self-determined and empowering ways," Ms. Shaheed stressed prior to today's meeting in Geneva of the UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development to discuss policy issues regarding Internet governance.* Given the urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance and architecture, the Special Rapporteur welcomed the first steps taken to discuss these issues in an inclusive way, noting the demand expressed by some civil society organizations for a democratization of the global governance of the Internet. "The Internet has become a key element for the enjoyment and the promotion of human rights such as the right to freedom of opinion and expression, including the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds regardless of frontiers; the right to share and enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications; the right to participate in cultural life and engage with others through inter-cultural dialogue; as well as the right to development," she noted. "As such, it can also play an important role to promote democratic participation, accountability, transparency and economic development", Ms. Shaheed said. "It is therefore vital to safeguard the immense potential of the Internet to promote human rights, and to maintain it as a global resource for all to enjoy." Ms. Shaheed underlined the need to ensure that the Internet is not parceled into 'national spheres' and to guard against any monopolistic appropriation of the Internet, which could seriously reduce the public spaces where social actors interact as equals. In her view, "it is important that Internet governance policies and architecture promote public spaces on the Internet and be based on open and public standards." Moreover, she highlighted that discussions surrounding policy issues should seek to pinpoint basic principles to guide the development of the architecture of the Internet, fully taking into consideration all human rights and the principles of equality and non-discrimination. "The principle of net neutrality, whereby all content is treated equally over the Internet, is a foundational principle of the Internet and should be upheld", she stressed. "The Internet started as a collegial enterprise of communication and sharing informed by the principles of equality, non-interference and non-hierarchy," the Special Rapporteur said. "Its architecture was constructed in a manner which ensured that the flow of content was independent of the carrier infrastructure, making it very difficult for anyone to control the flows on the Internet. It is essential that these basic elements that make Internet such a unique and important tool for communication are maintained." (*) The UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development of the Economic and Social Council will hold an open, interactive meeting on enhanced cooperation on public policy issues relating to the Internet on 18 May 2012, in Geneva, Switzerland. The meeting involves Member States and other stakeholders, particularly those from developing countries, including the private sector, civil society and international organizations, with a view to identifying a shared understanding about enhanced cooperation on public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, in accordance with paragraphs 34 and 35 of the Tunis Agenda. ENDS /Ms. Farida Shaheed took up her functions as Independent Expert and then Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights in August 2009. She has worked for more than 25 years promoting and protecting cultural rights by fostering policies and projects designed in culturally sensitive ways to support the rights of marginalized sectors, including women, peasants, and religious and ethnic minorities. Ms. Shaheed has been the recipient of several national and international human rights awards, and is an experienced participant in negotiations at international, regional and national levels. / /Learn more about the mandate and work of the Special Rapporteur: //http://www2.ohchr.org/english/issues/cultural_rights/index.htm// / /For inquiries and media requests, please contact Ms. Mylène Bidault (+ 41* *22 917 9254 // /mbidault at ohchr.org/ /) //or Marcelo Daher (+41 22 917 9431 / //mdaher at ohchr.org/ /) or write to //ieculturalrights at ohchr.org/ /./ For *media inquiries* related to other UN Special Rapporteurs: Xabier Celaya, UN Human Rights -- Media Unit (+ 41 22 917 9383 / xcelaya at ohchr.org ) *UN Human Rights, follow us on social media: * *Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/unitednationshumanrights *Twitter:* http://twitter.com/UNrightswire *YouTube:* http://www.youtube.com/UNOHCHR Join us to speak up for human rights in Rio+20, use *#RightsRio* __________ /For use of the information media; not an official record/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Instead of that we allow ourselves to be distracted by smoke and mirrors and dust in the air. The jury is still out over whether the smoke mirrors and dust in the air are deliberate distractions or an accidental product of the current state of the world – a by-product of information overload. Mantras can be dangerous. Mantras are supposed to “create transformation” but mantras are sometimes the place where the ideas get stuck, as a type of self-defining infinite loop. Things that seem valuable to me are not to stop questioning, never to forget the need for balance, and to think comparitively, to try as much as possible to look at things from more than one perspective. In the end both a network and a hierarchy are probably necessary for success. Deirdre On 15 May 2012 04:56, Jovan Kurbalija wrote: > It is a good point questioning some of the IG mantras. I wonder if one > could argue that the online world is more hierarchical and territorial than > the 'normal' world. A few points... > > The term 'hierarchy' is used so loosely, mainly in a negative context. It > is a part of a government-bashing trend. But, hierarchy was not invented by > bureaucrats as I heard at one recent conference in Geneva. It is a natural > (or even mathematical) principle of making order. In human society, the > main question is what the nature of the hierarchy is. Is it fixed and > blocked by political, family, or economic reasons or open to newcomers? In > the online world, you have hierarchy everywhere. How many followers do you > have on Twitter or Facebook? How does your website rank on Google? The > possibility that you may start your online business anywhere does not work > easily in practice. Zuckerberg had to go to Silicon Valley and identify > various hierarchies (venture capital, engineers, marketing) that helped him > to make Facebook a great success. In many cases hierarchy is not explicit, > but this does not mean that it does not exist. Paradoxically, in a way, > governments are honest by making their hierarchies explicit (military, > diplomatic and diplomatic ranks)? > > Another modern mantra is the 'end of territoriality'. You know the usual > arguments that you can hear in IG parlance... the Internet is free from > territorial bonds, etc. Is it true? Not necessarily. Our location can be > easily identified via geo-location, GPS, and other devices. The fact that > we can be ANYwhere (virtuality) does not mean that we can be NOwhere. And, > when we are SOMEwhere we are more territorial in our online worlds than in > our traditional worlds. > > Should we revisit these - and other - mantras? > > > > On 5/15/12 12:28 AM, David Allen wrote: > > This question - of what might be some new form of governance - is a > perennial for IGC. We have circled around it, by now several times. > > To note some of points of discussion: > > From Wolfgang > May 13, 2012 4:59:24 AM EDT > > a body which is able to produce rough consensus > > > > Consensus implies legitimacy. In the case of civil society, that > encompasses several billion folks. > > A handful of individuals, debating on a listserve, just are not - in the > end - able to proclaim, with any credibility, that consensus. > > Very much more to the point - aggregating all the many, many views is one > crux of the question. As below. > > hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network > thinking for the 21st century > > > > Hierarchy is gone, network is in? > > Humans have been operating with social networks for thousands of years, at > the least. Most decidedly there is nothing new underlying, certainly not > on account of a calendar system that by happenstance turned a triple zero > number, 2000 ... Nor have the hierarchical inclinations, also hard-wired > into the genome, suddenly gone into hibernation. Evolution does not work > that way. > > What could be new is some thinking that artfully understood, better, how > these weave together. To address, notably, the aggregation of views > question. > > As indeed Parminder asks > May 13, 2012 5:53:44 AM EDT > > tell us clearly what would be the structure of this new mechanism, what > functions will it perform, and how, what would be its outcomes and how will > they be implemented. > > > > > Then again from Wolfgang > > CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate in > Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table > > > > On the one side, Realpolitik alerts that power is the underlying issue. > Those who have it - governments, particularly of the North; increasingly > BRIC countries et al,; several large private actors; among others - will > not be ceding that power without good reason. As the interminable > discussion of EC illustrates. > > At the same time on the other side, the prospect for some new, more > suitable arrangements - as Wolfgang brings up - do turn it seems on an > appeal to “more democracy.” A shibboleth that may, because its claims are > sound, be more than a rallying cry for change. Power may actually shift. > > A robust democracy, built from understanding the mix of hierarchy and > network, one that actually achieves legitimate aggregation of views - in > other words, this could be a democracy that actually moves toward lofty > goals. > > > As Paul Lehto has said more than once, but once again here > May 8, 2012 2:28:06 PM EDT > > the "stakeholder" stuff can at most only be seen as an intermediate and > transition-state to real democracy. > > > > > WSIS Forum week, MAG, IGF consultations, EC the end of the week - these > will all take our time. In the meantime these large questions will not go > away. > > David > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- > > ** ** > > *Jovan Kurbalija, PhD* > > Director, DiploFoundation**** > > Rue de Lausanne 56 *| *1202 Geneva *|** *Switzerland**** > > *Tel.* +41 (0) 22 7410435 *| **Mobile.* +41 (0) 797884226**** > > *Email: *jovank at diplomacy.edu *| **Twitter:* @jovankurbalija **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *The latest from Diplo: * Learn about Internet governance and ICT policy: > enrol for the 2012 Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme (more > info ). **** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Mon May 21 18:12:59 2012 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:12:59 -0400 Subject: [governance] : "It is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today" - UN expert on cultural rights In-Reply-To: <4FB89D43.5050600@itforchange.net> References: <4FB89D43.5050600@itforchange.net> Message-ID: I agree that "it is crucial to address who and what shapes the internet today." I'm recalling our past discussions about the fact that there IS "governance" throughout the internet today, and thus any calls to "keep governments out" necessarily helps to preserve the present status quo of "private regulation" with some governmental regulation, mostly of the "structural" variety. Regardless of whether one supports or opposes this status quo, it is necessary to be informed enough to know what the status quo at least is. The real question is not whether internet behavior is or is not going to be shaped by legal and non-legal forces, but the extent to which every force that comes to play regarding the internet holds sway or not. Paul Lehto, J.D. On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:29 AM, parminder wrote: > ** > Hi all > > See as below a statement issued by the UN Special Rapporteur on Cultural > Rights, noting that "it is crucial to address who and what shapes the > Internet today". Welcoming the yesterday's meeting on enhanced > cooperation, the statement underlines the urgency to arrive at a global > consensus on Internet governance and architecture. > > The statement also stresses the need to uphold the principle of network > neutrality. (We ourselves think it is important to bring the discussion > about this basic architectural principle of the Internet to global IG > spaces, which really hasnt happened in an effective manner. The manner in > which the issue of global network neutrality remains unaddressed also quite > effectively highlights the problem of 'what happens next' after a global IG > issue has been discussed and re-discussed in the IGF) . > > BTW, we are also happy to note that the Special Rapporteur takes a > positive note of the civil society joint statementon democratisation of global governance of the Internet, (issued by more > that 50 CS organisations). > > parminder , IT for Change > > ------------------------------ > > > *(issued as received)* > **** > > M/12/15 > 18 May 2012**** > > > *“It is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today” – UN > expert on cultural rights* > > > (GENEVA. 18 May 2012) – “With the Internet becoming such a powerful medium > through which individuals exercise a wide range of human rights, it is > crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today,” said the United > Nations Special Rapporteur on cultural rights, Farida Shaheed, adding that > a “human-rights based approach to the issue should always be adopted”. > > “Since the Internet is essentially a global resource, it is crucial that > appropriate Internet governance supports the right of everyone to have > access to and use information and communication technologies in > self-determined and empowering ways,” Ms. Shaheed stressed prior to today’s > meeting in Geneva of the UN Commission on Science and Technology for > Development to discuss policy issues regarding Internet governance.* > > Given the urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance > and architecture, the Special Rapporteur welcomed the first steps taken to > discuss these issues in an inclusive way, noting the demand expressed by > some civil society organizations for a democratization of the global > governance of the Internet. > > “The Internet has become a key element for the enjoyment and the promotion > of human rights such as the right to freedom of opinion and expression, > including the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of > all kinds regardless of frontiers; the right to share and enjoy the > benefits of scientific progress and its applications; the right to > participate in cultural life and engage with others through inter-cultural > dialogue; as well as the right to development,” she noted. > > “As such, it can also play an important role to promote democratic > participation, accountability, transparency and economic development”, Ms. > Shaheed said. “It is therefore vital to safeguard the immense potential of > the Internet to promote human rights, and to maintain it as a global > resource for all to enjoy.” > > Ms. Shaheed underlined the need to ensure that the Internet is not > parceled into ‘national spheres’ and to guard against any monopolistic > appropriation of the Internet, which could seriously reduce the public > spaces where social actors interact as equals. In her view, “it is > important that Internet governance policies and architecture promote public > spaces on the Internet and be based on open and public standards.” > > Moreover, she highlighted that discussions surrounding policy issues > should seek to pinpoint basic principles to guide the development of the > architecture of the Internet, fully taking into consideration all human > rights and the principles of equality and non-discrimination. “The > principle of net neutrality, whereby all content is treated equally over > the Internet, is a foundational principle of the Internet and should be > upheld”, she stressed. > > “The Internet started as a collegial enterprise of communication and > sharing informed by the principles of equality, non-interference and > non-hierarchy,” the Special Rapporteur said. “Its architecture was > constructed in a manner which ensured that the flow of content was > independent of the carrier infrastructure, making it very difficult for > anyone to control the flows on the Internet. It is essential that these > basic elements that make Internet such a unique and important tool for > communication are maintained.” > > (*) The UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development of the > Economic and Social Council will hold an open, interactive meeting on > enhanced cooperation on public policy issues relating to the Internet on 18 > May 2012, in Geneva, Switzerland. The meeting involves Member States and > other stakeholders, particularly those from developing countries, including > the private sector, civil society and international organizations, with a > view to identifying a shared understanding about enhanced cooperation on > public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, in accordance with > paragraphs 34 and 35 of the Tunis Agenda. > > ENDS > > *Ms. Farida Shaheed took up her functions as Independent Expert and then > Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights in August 2009. She has > worked for more than 25 years promoting and protecting cultural rights by > fostering policies and projects designed in culturally sensitive ways to > support the rights of marginalized sectors, including women, peasants, and > religious and ethnic minorities. Ms. Shaheed has been the recipient of > several national and international human rights awards, and is an > experienced participant in negotiations at international, regional and > national levels. * > > *Learn more about the mandate and work of the Special Rapporteur: ** > http://www2.ohchr.org/english/issues/cultural_rights/index.htm* > * * > > *For inquiries and media requests, please contact Ms. Mylène Bidault (+ 41 22 > 917 9254 /* *mbidault at ohchr.org* *) **or Marcelo > Daher (+41 22 917 9431 / **mdaher at ohchr.org* *) or > write to **ieculturalrights at ohchr.org* *.* > > For *media inquiries* related to other UN Special Rapporteurs: > Xabier Celaya, UN Human Rights – Media Unit (+ 41 22 917 9383 / > xcelaya at ohchr.org) > > *UN Human Rights, follow us on social media: * > *Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/unitednationshumanrights > *Twitter:* http://twitter.com/UNrightswire > *YouTube:* http://www.youtube.com/UNOHCHR > > Join us to speak up for human rights in Rio+20, use *#RightsRio* > > __________ > > *For use of the information media; not an official record***** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. 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The joint statement is enclosed. parminder On Tuesday 22 May 2012 03:42 AM, Paul Lehto wrote: > I agree that "it is crucial to address who and what shapes the > internet today." > > I'm recalling our past discussions about the fact that there IS > "governance" throughout the internet today, and thus any calls to > "keep governments out" necessarily helps to preserve the present > status quo of "private regulation" with some governmental regulation, > mostly of the "structural" variety. > > Regardless of whether one supports or opposes this status quo, it is > necessary to be informed enough to know what the status quo at least > is. The real question is not whether internet behavior is or is not > going to be shaped by legal and non-legal forces, but the extent to > which every force that comes to play regarding the internet holds sway > or not. > > Paul Lehto, J.D. > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:29 AM, parminder > wrote: > > Hi all > > See as below a statement issued by the UN Special Rapporteur on > Cultural Rights, noting that "it is crucial to address who and > what shapes the Internet today". Welcoming the yesterday's meeting > on enhanced cooperation, the statement underlines the urgency to > arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance and architecture. > > The statement also stresses the need to uphold the principle of > network neutrality. (We ourselves think it is important to bring > the discussion about this basic architectural principle of the > Internet to global IG spaces, which really hasnt happened in an > effective manner. The manner in which the issue of global network > neutrality remains unaddressed also quite effectively highlights > the problem of 'what happens next' after a global IG issue has > been discussed and re-discussed in the IGF) . > > BTW, we are also happy to note that the Special Rapporteur takes a > positive note of the civil society joint statement > > on democratisation of global governance of the Internet, (issued > by more that 50 CS organisations). > > parminder , IT for Change > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *(issued as received)* > > M/12/15 > 18 May 2012 > > > *“It is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today” > – UN expert on cultural rights* > > > (GENEVA. 18 May 2012) – “With the Internet becoming such a > powerful medium through which individuals exercise a wide range of > human rights, it is crucial to address who and what shapes the > Internet today,” said the United Nations Special Rapporteur on > cultural rights, Farida Shaheed, adding that a “human-rights based > approach to the issue should always be adopted”. > > “Since the Internet is essentially a global resource, it is > crucial that appropriate Internet governance supports the right of > everyone to have access to and use information and communication > technologies in self-determined and empowering ways,” Ms. Shaheed > stressed prior to today’s meeting in Geneva of the UN Commission > on Science and Technology for Development to discuss policy issues > regarding Internet governance.* > > Given the urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet > governance and architecture, the Special Rapporteur welcomed the > first steps taken to discuss these issues in an inclusive way, > noting the demand expressed by some civil society organizations > for a democratization of the global governance of the Internet. > > “The Internet has become a key element for the enjoyment and the > promotion of human rights such as the right to freedom of opinion > and expression, including the right to seek, receive and impart > information and ideas of all kinds regardless of frontiers; the > right to share and enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and > its applications; the right to participate in cultural life and > engage with others through inter-cultural dialogue; as well as the > right to development,” she noted. > > “As such, it can also play an important role to promote democratic > participation, accountability, transparency and economic > development”, Ms. Shaheed said. “It is therefore vital to > safeguard the immense potential of the Internet to promote human > rights, and to maintain it as a global resource for all to enjoy.” > > Ms. Shaheed underlined the need to ensure that the Internet is not > parceled into ‘national spheres’ and to guard against any > monopolistic appropriation of the Internet, which could seriously > reduce the public spaces where social actors interact as equals. > In her view, “it is important that Internet governance policies > and architecture promote public spaces on the Internet and be > based on open and public standards.” > > Moreover, she highlighted that discussions surrounding policy > issues should seek to pinpoint basic principles to guide the > development of the architecture of the Internet, fully taking into > consideration all human rights and the principles of equality and > non-discrimination. “The principle of net neutrality, whereby all > content is treated equally over the Internet, is a foundational > principle of the Internet and should be upheld”, she stressed. > > “The Internet started as a collegial enterprise of communication > and sharing informed by the principles of equality, > non-interference and non-hierarchy,” the Special Rapporteur said. > “Its architecture was constructed in a manner which ensured that > the flow of content was independent of the carrier infrastructure, > making it very difficult for anyone to control the flows on the > Internet. It is essential that these basic elements that make > Internet such a unique and important tool for communication are > maintained.” > > (*) The UN Commission on Science and Technology for Development of > the Economic and Social Council will hold an open, interactive > meeting on enhanced cooperation on public policy issues relating > to the Internet on 18 May 2012, in Geneva, Switzerland. The > meeting involves Member States and other stakeholders, > particularly those from developing countries, including the > private sector, civil society and international organizations, > with a view to identifying a shared understanding about enhanced > cooperation on public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, in > accordance with paragraphs 34 and 35 of the Tunis Agenda. > > ENDS > > /Ms. Farida Shaheed took up her functions as Independent Expert > and then Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights in > August 2009. She has worked for more than 25 years promoting and > protecting cultural rights by fostering policies and projects > designed in culturally sensitive ways to support the rights of > marginalized sectors, including women, peasants, and religious and > ethnic minorities. Ms. Shaheed has been the recipient of several > national and international human rights awards, and is an > experienced participant in negotiations at international, regional > and national levels. / > > /Learn more about the mandate and work of the Special Rapporteur: > //http://www2.ohchr.org/english/issues/cultural_rights/index.htm// / > > /For inquiries and media requests, please contact Ms. Mylène > Bidault (+ 41* *22 917 9254 // /mbidault at ohchr.org/ > /) //or Marcelo Daher (+41 22 917 9431 > / //mdaher at ohchr.org/ > /) or write to > //ieculturalrights at ohchr.org/ /./ > > For *media inquiries* related to other UN Special Rapporteurs: > Xabier Celaya, UN Human Rights – Media Unit (+ 41 22 917 9383 > / xcelaya at ohchr.org > ) > > *UN Human Rights, follow us on social media: * > *Facebook:* https://www.facebook.com/unitednationshumanrights > *Twitter:* http://twitter.com/UNrightswire > *YouTube:* http://www.youtube.com/UNOHCHR > > > Join us to speak up for human rights in Rio+20, use *#RightsRio* > > __________ > > /For use of the information media; not an official record/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Paul R Lehto, J.D. > P.O. 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Name: Press release cultural rights FREDEX 18.05.2012.doc Type: application/msword Size: 68096 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed May 23 11:30:35 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:00:35 +0530 Subject: [governance] CSTD meeting on enhanced cooperation Message-ID: <4FBD029B.6030908@itforchange.net> Dear All I made the following statement at the opening panel of the discussion on enhanced cooperation at CSTD's substantive session (this is different from, and in a way continuation of, the meeting of May 18th) I have tried to see if the discussion on (1) technical governance side and (2) social/ economic policy side of global Internet governance can be separated, to the extent possible, as one way to make progress. I have also tried to list the major concerns of various actors in these two areas of global governance. I also suggest that a UN CIRP like body should perhaps exclude CIR oversight from its purview. Accordingly, for internationalising CIR management a separate arrangement may be considered. Parminder *CSTD Session on Enhanced Cooperation * *on Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet* /*May 22, Geneva*/ /*Comments at the opening panel by Parminder Jeet Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change*/ I must first of all thank the chair for a very balanced report on the special meeting on 'enhanced cooperation on public policy issues pertaining to the Internet' held on May 18^th . I think that the meeting was an important and a positive step forward. We got a lot of good ideas which can serve as the basis for moving forward on this very important but long neglected mandate from the WSIS. What I heard from the meeting, and also note from the chair's report, is that many governments as well as other stakeholders have deep concerns both regarding the fact that there continues to be very substantial gaps in global public policy making, and in democratizing its processes, as well as the fact that an important and express mandate from the WSIS remains completely unaddressed. Others in the room were of the view that this may be an exaggerated view. However, at this stage, it is enough that many governments and other stakeholders do have deep concerns and they must be provided a formal space to express and discuss them. In this regard, the idea of a CSTD working group was proposed by many participants. I think it is a very good proposition. We heard in the last session how the CSTD working group on improvements to the IGF worked so well, and was able to produce such good results. There is no reason why a similar process should not be tried out for resolving the issue of 'enhanced cooperation'. At the same time as we agree to the next step for a formal space for dialogue on 'enhanced cooperation', we must also start discussing the most contested issues and area which have caused such deep political divisions. We should earnestly listen to and address the concerns of different parties. At the May 18^th meeting, I heard views that could roughly be polarized into camps – those who were more or less satisfied with the status quo, and those who wanted a new mechanism to deal with public policy issues pertaining to the Internet. The latter view, perhaps, has been most concretely captured by India's proposal of a UN Committee on Internet-Related Policies (CIRP). I will very briefly try to – just in an illustrative way - touch upon what concerns and what fears inform these two somewhat opposing positions, and how we could perhaps address them, and move forward taking all such concerns and fears into account. /*Need for institutional developments on the technical governance side */Before we start discussing the very complex area of global Internet governance, it is important to develop some overall sections and categories. Global Internet governance can be seen in two relatively distinct though related parts – technical governance and, what may be called as, larger public policy issues of a social, economic, cultural and political nature. These two areas of IG are rather different in the nature of the 'problem', the ecology of actors and, thus, the appropriate responses to the problem, including, very significantly, in the present context, the role of different stakeholders. However, one often sees that discussions about IG, especially when done in a politically surcharged atmosphere, often gets confused about what part of the global Internet governance system (or the absence of it) was being spoken about. Concerns coming from one side of this two-way division of IG space – technical and non-technical -– are answered by views and facts about the other side. India's CIRP proposal also got caught in this very unfortunate somewhat misguided cross-fire. While CIRP is mostly about larger public policy issues – the kind of work done by OECD's Committee for Information, Computer and Communication Policies (ICCP) – almost all the responses to it came from the side of, and concerning, Internet's technical governance. More about it later. Technical governance – or perhaps, 'technical management' is a better term here – of the Internet can be said to include the management of Internet's name and number resources, and the processes of development of technical standards, the kind of work which, respectively, ICANN and IETF does. Internet's technical governance is uniquely a very distributed system, which is relatively open and transparent, and also includes innovative bottom up processes. Such a distributed technical management of the Internet's core systems and standards has helped develop the Internet in a kind of creative tension with the nationally bound, hierarchical social order of the industrial age. This creative tension has an important role in the kind of social, economic, cultural and political impact that the Internet makes, the details of which I will not be able to go here. As one could would judge, I strongly support retention and strengthening of the current distributed model of technical governance in its general and essential characteristics. Although one must add here, that, it needs considerable improvements, which can be done in an evolutionary manner. It has not adapted itself enough with the Internet related developments of the past decade, and is often very prone to capture by big business. I also do not see opposition from too many quarters to this distributed system of technical governance, as such. In fact, Tunis Agenda too has some approving language about how this disturbed system has been managed. The real problem with technical governance of the Internet relates to its unilateral oversight by one government, the US, which is quite untenable and unacceptable to almost all non-US governments and many other stakeholders. It is this /key problem/ on the technical governance side that we must address. In fact, those most interested in safeguarding the current distributed architecture of technical governance of the Internet must be most pro-active in addressing this 'oversight issue'. Only by making a satisfactory resolution of the key oversight issue can we protect this distributed architecture. Otherwise, those unhappy with the status quo – for very valid reasons – will seek the solution in a manner that shifts the very architecture of the technical governance of the Internet, towards a top-down, cumbersome bureaucratic processes based governance, which we know is just not suitable for the Internet. This is one of the most important point to understand and appreciate by defendants of the distributed model – including the technical community. ICANN just cannot remain a US Non-profit, subject to all kinds of US law, small and big, as any US based entity is. ICANN controls too important and critical a global infrastructure for such an arrangement to be acceptable to the global community. The best intentions of the US Department of Commerce, the oversight body for the ICANN, cannot shield ICANN from the application of the US law. Till now, it is simply good luck, and perhaps some careful management by the executive part of the US government, that nothing has happened to expose this very deep inconsistency between ICANN's role and its legal structure and obligations, but one can be sure that something will happen, perhaps sooner that later. It would of little use to be very surprised when such a thing happens, and then look for ways around it. ICANN instituted the .xxx domain space over the objections of many governments. Here, I am not commenting on the merits of that decision or the processes followed for it. However, what is interesting is that ICANN has been taken to the court (of course, US court) by some US companies on grounds of anti-competitive behavior in setting up .xxx domain space. The very fact that a US court has accepted this case makes it at least possible that the ICANN decision on .xxx will be struck down, in which case ICANN will have no option other than to withdraw this domain space. Such a step would of course make a mockery of the global governance body status of ICANN. Non US governments have very valid security and other public policy concerns vis a vis US oversight of the critical Internet resources (CIRs), and these must be addressed. These cannot be taken lightly, or dismissed as efforts for taking control of the Internet. US has asserted its security concerns vis a vis the root of the Internet, by ensuring that ICANN's security staff is selected only with US government's permission. In this light, how can the security concerns of other governments vis a vis the root of the Internet be misplaced! It is quite ironical that when US exercises oversight, it is considered not a significant issue at all, but when exactly the same oversight – with exactly the same role and powers – is sought to be put under an international body, the alarm of governmental control is raised! At the same, we must also address the concerns of those who are wary of internationalising the oversight of CIRs. They are most afraid of a very bureaucratic process exercising excessive and undue control over technical governance system, which many claim the US has refrained from doing till now. It may not be the right arrangement to have 50 or 100 governments use the typical UN processes to try to do oversight of CIRs. In this regard, India's CIRP proposal may therefore need to be re-worked by removing the CIR oversight function of the proposed CIRP. Other more innovative methods for internationalizing CIR oversight can be found. I will not be able to go into the details here, but if we earmark this as /the key problem/, and list the various concerns around it, I am sure a mutually satisfactory solution can be found. At the very least, ICANN has to become an international body, subject to international law, with a host country agreement (shielding it from local laws vis a vis its global role and operation) has to be put into place. Next, we need to agree to a very light international oversight body, which may consist of such members as best represent global public interest, and which has a very minimal, and circumscribed, role with a clearly laid of process and procedure for exercising it. The members may have to be county-based representatives, with some clear relationship with governments, but perhaps coming from technical-academic side, with a broader national process of their selection (just an idea!). (Membership of some global technical bodies may provide some good leads in this regard.)Again, I will leave out the details, and different sets of possibilities, but I am very positive that something can be worked out in this direction. /*Mechanism for enhanced cooperation on social and economic policy issues */The other side of global governance is what may be called as the larger public policy issues concerning social, economic, cultural and political matters vis a vis the global Internet. These issues are in fact much much more important that those related to technical governance of the Internet, but get almost completely neglected in global discussions. There are three ways such social policy issues get decided today. First is the manner in which global Internet monopoly companies like Google and Facebook just decide important policy matters and the world gets subject to them. Second, and related, is the way these global monopolies incorporate the law and policy preferences of the country where they are registered – mostly the US – in their architecture and practices and once again the rest of world is the hapless consumer of such policies, without taking any part in making them. Thirdly, are the various plurilateral initiatives which are very active in making Internet policies that have default global application. One of the main sites of such policy making is the OECD's Committee on Computer, Information and Communication Policy (CCICP) referred to earlier, which is OECD's Internet policy making mechanism. Council of Europe (CoE) is also very active in this area. OECD recently came up with 'Principles for Internet Policy Making', which OECD now wants non OECD countries also to accept. One can see no reason why all countries should not be a part of developing such principles in the first place. This is a simple and straight-forward demand for democratic global governance of the Internet, and we are sure everyone will be better off for it. OECD has also developed guidelines for Internet intermediaries, and CoE has been working on guidelines for search engines and social network sites. It is somewhat surprising that many stakeholders of the very same countries that are involved with OECD's and CoE's cross-border Internet policy mechanisms are found raising the question; whether there are at all any significant global pubic policy issues pertaining to the Internet that needs to be addressed globally, and are not being so addressed at present. To anyone asking me this question, I simply re fer them to the very busy and full calender of events, and their agenda, of these plurilateral Internet policy making bodies. India's proposed UN CIRP should principally be doing this kind of policy work, and perhaps leave out the CIR oversight function to a different, more innovative, international body or mechanism. The above few points on the possible ways forward are only illustrative to show that there are real concerns as well as real fears of different stakeholders, and that these can indeed be addressed. Progress on shaping new institutions that are adequate to the task and mandate of 'enhanced cooperation on public policy issues pertaining the Internet' may not be as difficult as it may appear at first sight. Internet is now a central force shaping the social dynamics, architecture and structures of the emerging information society. If we have to ensure and maximize the democratic and egalitarian potential of the Internet, we must take charge of shaping the architecture and processes of the Internet in global public interest. In this regard, I refer to the press release issued by the UN Special Rapporteur on Cultural rights, Farida Shaheed, and Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression, Frank La Rue, which was issued in the context of the May 18 meeting on 'enhanced cooperation'. It observes that “it is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today” and goes on to highlight the “urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance and architecture”. That is the real task of 'enhanced cooperation'. Thanks you, Chairman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ITfC- CSTD - EC panel.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 64011 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sylvia.caras at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:44:15 2012 From: sylvia.caras at gmail.com (Sylvia Caras) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:44:15 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fight for the Future Message-ID: Fight for the Future is dedicated to protecting and expanding the Internet's transformative power http://fightforthefuture.org/ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed May 23 14:49:56 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:49:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] Cerf: Internet Freedom under Attack References: Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD76@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/228561-father-of-the-internet-warns-web-freedom-is-under-attack Wolfgang ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm Wed May 23 16:36:38 2012 From: carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm (SAMUELS,Carlton A) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:36:38 -0500 Subject: [governance] CSTD meeting on enhanced cooperation In-Reply-To: <4FBD029B.6030908@itforchange.net> References: <4FBD029B.6030908@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <39D05A5FD7C1334DA749CCFCE8538F872585D174F2@xchg1.uwimona.edu.jm> Dear Parminder: Congrats on a very sober statement, especially with the consideration to separate the technical governance from the social/economic policy sides. It is hardly possible for any disagreement with your identification of the major bugbear issue; true internationalisation of oversight of CIRs. In this context, I note your recognition of the weaknesses of of the oversight model represented by the CIRP proposal. This is goodwill in action which hopefully, spurs development of a more inclusive approach. Warm regards, - Carlton ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of parminder [parminder at itforchange.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:30 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] CSTD meeting on enhanced cooperation Dear All I made the following statement at the opening panel of the discussion on enhanced cooperation at CSTD's substantive session (this is different from, and in a way continuation of, the meeting of May 18th) I have tried to see if the discussion on (1) technical governance side and (2) social/ economic policy side of global Internet governance can be separated, to the extent possible, as one way to make progress. I have also tried to list the major concerns of various actors in these two areas of global governance. I also suggest that a UN CIRP like body should perhaps exclude CIR oversight from its purview. Accordingly, for internationalising CIR management a separate arrangement may be considered. Parminder CSTD Session on Enhanced Cooperation on Public Policy Issues Pertaining to the Internet May 22, Geneva Comments at the opening panel by Parminder Jeet Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change I must first of all thank the chair for a very balanced report on the special meeting on 'enhanced cooperation on public policy issues pertaining to the Internet' held on May 18th. I think that the meeting was an important and a positive step forward. We got a lot of good ideas which can serve as the basis for moving forward on this very important but long neglected mandate from the WSIS. What I heard from the meeting, and also note from the chair's report, is that many governments as well as other stakeholders have deep concerns both regarding the fact that there continues to be very substantial gaps in global public policy making, and in democratizing its processes, as well as the fact that an important and express mandate from the WSIS remains completely unaddressed. Others in the room were of the view that this may be an exaggerated view. However, at this stage, it is enough that many governments and other stakeholders do have deep concerns and they must be provided a formal space to express and discuss them. In this regard, the idea of a CSTD working group was proposed by many participants. I think it is a very good proposition. We heard in the last session how the CSTD working group on improvements to the IGF worked so well, and was able to produce such good results. There is no reason why a similar process should not be tried out for resolving the issue of 'enhanced cooperation'. At the same time as we agree to the next step for a formal space for dialogue on 'enhanced cooperation', we must also start discussing the most contested issues and area which have caused such deep political divisions. We should earnestly listen to and address the concerns of different parties. At the May 18th meeting, I heard views that could roughly be polarized into camps – those who were more or less satisfied with the status quo, and those who wanted a new mechanism to deal with public policy issues pertaining to the Internet. The latter view, perhaps, has been most concretely captured by India's proposal of a UN Committee on Internet-Related Policies (CIRP). I will very briefly try to – just in an illustrative way - touch upon what concerns and what fears inform these two somewhat opposing positions, and how we could perhaps address them, and move forward taking all such concerns and fears into account. Need for institutional developments on the technical governance side Before we start discussing the very complex area of global Internet governance, it is important to develop some overall sections and categories. Global Internet governance can be seen in two relatively distinct though related parts – technical governance and, what may be called as, larger public policy issues of a social, economic, cultural and political nature. These two areas of IG are rather different in the nature of the 'problem', the ecology of actors and, thus, the appropriate responses to the problem, including, very significantly, in the present context, the role of different stakeholders. However, one often sees that discussions about IG, especially when done in a politically surcharged atmosphere, often gets confused about what part of the global Internet governance system (or the absence of it) was being spoken about. Concerns coming from one side of this two-way division of IG space – technical and non-technical -– are answered by views and facts about the other side. India's CIRP proposal also got caught in this very unfortunate somewhat misguided cross-fire. While CIRP is mostly about larger public policy issues – the kind of work done by OECD's Committee for Information, Computer and Communication Policies (ICCP) – almost all the responses to it came from the side of, and concerning, Internet's technical governance. More about it later. Technical governance – or perhaps, 'technical management' is a better term here – of the Internet can be said to include the management of Internet's name and number resources, and the processes of development of technical standards, the kind of work which, respectively, ICANN and IETF does. Internet's technical governance is uniquely a very distributed system, which is relatively open and transparent, and also includes innovative bottom up processes. Such a distributed technical management of the Internet's core systems and standards has helped develop the Internet in a kind of creative tension with the nationally bound, hierarchical social order of the industrial age. This creative tension has an important role in the kind of social, economic, cultural and political impact that the Internet makes, the details of which I will not be able to go here. As one could would judge, I strongly support retention and strengthening of the current distributed model of technical governance in its general and essential characteristics. Although one must add here, that, it needs considerable improvements, which can be done in an evolutionary manner. It has not adapted itself enough with the Internet related developments of the past decade, and is often very prone to capture by big business. I also do not see opposition from too many quarters to this distributed system of technical governance, as such. In fact, Tunis Agenda too has some approving language about how this disturbed system has been managed. The real problem with technical governance of the Internet relates to its unilateral oversight by one government, the US, which is quite untenable and unacceptable to almost all non-US governments and many other stakeholders. It is this key problem on the technical governance side that we must address. In fact, those most interested in safeguarding the current distributed architecture of technical governance of the Internet must be most pro-active in addressing this 'oversight issue'. Only by making a satisfactory resolution of the key oversight issue can we protect this distributed architecture. Otherwise, those unhappy with the status quo – for very valid reasons – will seek the solution in a manner that shifts the very architecture of the technical governance of the Internet, towards a top-down, cumbersome bureaucratic processes based governance, which we know is just not suitable for the Internet. This is one of the most important point to understand and appreciate by defendants of the distributed model – including the technical community. ICANN just cannot remain a US Non-profit, subject to all kinds of US law, small and big, as any US based entity is. ICANN controls too important and critical a global infrastructure for such an arrangement to be acceptable to the global community. The best intentions of the US Department of Commerce, the oversight body for the ICANN, cannot shield ICANN from the application of the US law. Till now, it is simply good luck, and perhaps some careful management by the executive part of the US government, that nothing has happened to expose this very deep inconsistency between ICANN's role and its legal structure and obligations, but one can be sure that something will happen, perhaps sooner that later. It would of little use to be very surprised when such a thing happens, and then look for ways around it. ICANN instituted the .xxx domain space over the objections of many governments. Here, I am not commenting on the merits of that decision or the processes followed for it. However, what is interesting is that ICANN has been taken to the court (of course, US court) by some US companies on grounds of anti-competitive behavior in setting up .xxx domain space. The very fact that a US court has accepted this case makes it at least possible that the ICANN decision on .xxx will be struck down, in which case ICANN will have no option other than to withdraw this domain space. Such a step would of course make a mockery of the global governance body status of ICANN. Non US governments have very valid security and other public policy concerns vis a vis US oversight of the critical Internet resources (CIRs), and these must be addressed. These cannot be taken lightly, or dismissed as efforts for taking control of the Internet. US has asserted its security concerns vis a vis the root of the Internet, by ensuring that ICANN's security staff is selected only with US government's permission. In this light, how can the security concerns of other governments vis a vis the root of the Internet be misplaced! It is quite ironical that when US exercises oversight, it is considered not a significant issue at all, but when exactly the same oversight – with exactly the same role and powers – is sought to be put under an international body, the alarm of governmental control is raised! At the same, we must also address the concerns of those who are wary of internationalising the oversight of CIRs. They are most afraid of a very bureaucratic process exercising excessive and undue control over technical governance system, which many claim the US has refrained from doing till now. It may not be the right arrangement to have 50 or 100 governments use the typical UN processes to try to do oversight of CIRs. In this regard, India's CIRP proposal may therefore need to be re-worked by removing the CIR oversight function of the proposed CIRP. Other more innovative methods for internationalizing CIR oversight can be found. I will not be able to go into the details here, but if we earmark this as the key problem, and list the various concerns around it, I am sure a mutually satisfactory solution can be found. At the very least, ICANN has to become an international body, subject to international law, with a host country agreement (shielding it from local laws vis a vis its global role and operation) has to be put into place. Next, we need to agree to a very light international oversight body, which may consist of such members as best represent global public interest, and which has a very minimal, and circumscribed, role with a clearly laid of process and procedure for exercising it. The members may have to be county-based representatives, with some clear relationship with governments, but perhaps coming from technical-academic side, with a broader national process of their selection (just an idea!). (Membership of some global technical bodies may provide some good leads in this regard.)Again, I will leave out the details, and different sets of possibilities, but I am very positive that something can be worked out in this direction. Mechanism for enhanced cooperation on social and economic policy issues The other side of global governance is what may be called as the larger public policy issues concerning social, economic, cultural and political matters vis a vis the global Internet. These issues are in fact much much more important that those related to technical governance of the Internet, but get almost completely neglected in global discussions. There are three ways such social policy issues get decided today. First is the manner in which global Internet monopoly companies like Google and Facebook just decide important policy matters and the world gets subject to them. Second, and related, is the way these global monopolies incorporate the law and policy preferences of the country where they are registered – mostly the US – in their architecture and practices and once again the rest of world is the hapless consumer of such policies, without taking any part in making them. Thirdly, are the various plurilateral initiatives which are very active in making Internet policies that have default global application. One of the main sites of such policy making is the OECD's Committee on Computer, Information and Communication Policy (CCICP) referred to earlier, which is OECD's Internet policy making mechanism. Council of Europe (CoE) is also very active in this area. OECD recently came up with 'Principles for Internet Policy Making', which OECD now wants non OECD countries also to accept. One can see no reason why all countries should not be a part of developing such principles in the first place. This is a simple and straight-forward demand for democratic global governance of the Internet, and we are sure everyone will be better off for it. OECD has also developed guidelines for Internet intermediaries, and CoE has been working on guidelines for search engines and social network sites. It is somewhat surprising that many stakeholders of the very same countries that are involved with OECD's and CoE's cross-border Internet policy mechanisms are found raising the question; whether there are at all any significant global pubic policy issues pertaining to the Internet that needs to be addressed globally, and are not being so addressed at present. To anyone asking me this question, I simply re fer them to the very busy and full calender of events, and their agenda, of these plurilateral Internet policy making bodies. India's proposed UN CIRP should principally be doing this kind of policy work, and perhaps leave out the CIR oversight function to a different, more innovative, international body or mechanism. The above few points on the possible ways forward are only illustrative to show that there are real concerns as well as real fears of different stakeholders, and that these can indeed be addressed. Progress on shaping new institutions that are adequate to the task and mandate of 'enhanced cooperation on public policy issues pertaining the Internet' may not be as difficult as it may appear at first sight. Internet is now a central force shaping the social dynamics, architecture and structures of the emerging information society. If we have to ensure and maximize the democratic and egalitarian potential of the Internet, we must take charge of shaping the architecture and processes of the Internet in global public interest. In this regard, I refer to the press release issued by the UN Special Rapporteur on Cultural rights, Farida Shaheed, and Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression, Frank La Rue, which was issued in the context of the May 18 meeting on 'enhanced cooperation'. It observes that “it is crucial to address who and what shapes the Internet today” and goes on to highlight the “urgency to arrive at a global consensus on Internet governance and architecture”. That is the real task of 'enhanced cooperation'. Thanks you, Chairman. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Wed May 23 16:55:33 2012 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:55:33 -0700 Subject: [governance] Cerf: Internet Freedom under Attack In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD76@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD76@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4FBD4EC5.2020203@cavebear.com> On 05/23/2012 11:49 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/228561-father-of-the-internet-warns-web-freedom-is-under-attack Not to put too fine a point on it, but ICANN, from the day of its inception has been kow towing to the trademark, industrial, and governmental interests that are driving "law enforcement" into more and more corners of our lives and started to replace presumption of innocence with presumption of guilt in both civil and criminal contexts. Since its birth 15 years ago threats to privacy, to democratic principles, to freedom of innovation, to due process, and to freedom of expression have been quite growing, quite visibly - and without shame - within ICANN. And governments, particularly the US government, rejoiced at the notion that they could have a private arm to pursue goals that those government bodies could not, due to Constitutional limitations, do themselves. The most interesting aspect of the concern expressed in the article is its lateness - the same concern could have been expressed with equal import at any time during the last 15 years. I, personally, see the article as part of an anti-ITU campaign that has failed to ask an important threshold question - Are the ITU and ICANN really all that different? I'd suggest that the difference is more in weights - that on the balance of influences the ITU weighs government expressions higher than those of industrial interests, and in ICANN the scales are reversed - but in neither is there much concern for public values, due process, or public voices. From where I sit I see merely a turf war between the US/ICANN and the ITU/rest-of-the-world; I don't see any white knights riding up to vindicate personal rights. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed May 23 17:20:34 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 02:20:34 +0500 Subject: [governance] Cerf: Internet Freedom under Attack In-Reply-To: <4FBD4EC5.2020203@cavebear.com> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD76@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FBD4EC5.2020203@cavebear.com> Message-ID: Though Vint's concern is not an Attack but rather the notion that what the ITU intends to do. Right now its all more or less rhetoric and I can assure you one thing, what was said during the EC discussions in Geneva can actually be the ground for certain amount of consideration at the WCIT because the ITU chief was also present. ITU being multistakeholder will be a distant dream. The sustainability ecosystem of that organization cannot work and thats what I see with a lot of people going OMG with ITU and its attacks. The IGF goes broke every now and then, can a harmonized multilateral vehicle function on a ready to go broke model? I am not defending ITU but bringing eyes and ears to the other side of the debate, the Internet has always been under attack, we are only witnessing evolutions of governance. ICANN, lives on industry and people's money, basically has a financial sustainability model. IGF got together nearly half a million euros from voluntary contributions, ICANN just got together $350million dollars with more rolling under just the new gtld program and spends an approximately 2-4 million dollars on its public and open to all with only a few closed Public Meetings that rotate three times across the globe and then ITU that has multiple activities going on with its multisectoral partners (which it usually refers to as multistakeholders in its own view). The crisis here is what everyone asks in the development sector, how will you sustain yourself and that brings us back to Parminder's discussions from earlier years. My inclination whether IGF should stay there or should there be something like a CIRP or oversight body changes with every event that happens right in front of me in Pakistan and I am a key member of the stakeholdership that is under constant threat and poses us as dissidents that can be noticed at any moment in time, IGF, ITU and ICANN don't matter if we can't get a grip on things even after a decade of these discussions and debates. Thats whats happening in the US congress and thats what Vint Cerf seems to be worried about and thats what many geniuses consider today is the challenge, who gains or sustains control and who has both the resources and support to do so. I've seen other takeholders dropping stuff on their own feet, not just the CS in the IGF circle. Apart from ICANN there is no solution because no one has their doors open for everyone. ITU's definition of multistakeholderism stands at multisectoralism and the neo-liberalist views of a free and open internet and free market evolution ain't gonna work because somebody can just get up and pull the plug on twitter for a day and just as well plug it back in and say ah, what? Let's start getting real here and I like what you said Karl, anti-ITU-ism isn't going to work, it never will. The govts are going to meet in Dubai in December. Its a closed door meeting and its gonna be G8 style and trust me, if people plan to stage a to protest in Dubai, they have a different way of treating things. The dubai gov can have anyone from Pakistan extradited in seconds and i don't believe there are that many strong groups to back and actually be meaningful in a crisis. The discussion has to evolve beyond pseudo-intellectualism and OMG Activism into a more collaborative, combined, well-organized and REAL intervention. People have to go talk to ITU in their office in Geneva. People have to go and talk to the people that are going to be at Dubai. Governments in Europe have to sit down at the EURODIG and discuss this out and let the world know their stance on what they are doing at WCIT. The Arab IGF is on the way, what does it intend to do, what are the stances from other regional IGFs, what is the followup and what is the feedback, is IGC organized enough to take this on? I rest this discussion :o) Best Fouad On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote: > On 05/23/2012 11:49 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > >> >> http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/228561-father-of-the-internet-warns-web-freedom-is-under-attack > > > Not to put too fine a point on it, but ICANN, from the day of its inception > has been kow towing to the trademark, industrial, and governmental interests > that are driving "law enforcement" into more and more corners of our lives > and started to replace presumption of innocence with presumption of guilt in > both civil and criminal contexts. > > Since its birth 15 years ago threats to privacy, to democratic principles, > to freedom of innovation, to due process, and to freedom of expression have > been quite growing, quite visibly - and without shame - within ICANN. > > And governments, particularly the US government, rejoiced at the notion that > they could have a private arm to pursue goals that those government bodies > could not, due to Constitutional limitations, do themselves. > > The most interesting aspect of the concern expressed in the article is its > lateness - the same concern could have been expressed with equal import at > any time during the last 15 years. > > I, personally, see the article as part of an anti-ITU campaign that has > failed to ask an important threshold question - Are the ITU and ICANN really > all that different? > > I'd suggest that the difference is more in weights - that on the balance of > influences the ITU weighs government expressions higher than those of > industrial interests, and in ICANN the scales are reversed - but in neither > is there much concern for public values, due process, or public voices. > > From where I sit I see merely a turf war between the US/ICANN and the > ITU/rest-of-the-world; I don't see any white knights riding up to vindicate > personal rights. > >        --karl-- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ICT4D and Internet Governance Advisor My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu May 24 05:41:23 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:11:23 +0530 Subject: [governance] Chair's report on May 18th meeting on EC Message-ID: <4FBE0243.6070700@itforchange.net> enclosed as received... it says draft and may be treated as such.. parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is much law that is already heavily used regarding the internet - the laws of property, contract, intellectual property, and so forth. The areas of legal intervention on the Internet that are contested involve the degree to which governments act to EITHER protect freedom of expression on the internet (even from private interference), or act to censor or repress. The vast majority want the neutral protection of freedom of expression but don't want the censorship, but calls to "keep the government out of the Internet" operate to throw out both the good and the bad here. The other area of potential growth for the law of the Internet is the broad area of consumer protection, which helps to balance individual rights vis a vis large business powers. The calls to keep the government out of the internet in this area operate to preserve huge power imbalances in favor of large internet business interests. Paul Lehto, J.D. -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. 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Snip: Meanwhile, negotiators of chapters that are taking time for review and input are now getting a little punishment. For example, intellectual property negotiators who have been appropriately scrutinizing proposals that would transform their countries' laws regarding generic medicines, internet freedom and much more, have reportedly been dragged before the assembled Chiefs more than once to face pointed questions about what's taking so long. USTR is driving this new tactic, which even the US Chief Negotiator described as a more "heavy-handed approach." _______________________________________________ A2k mailing list A2k at lists.keionline.org http://lists.keionline.org/mailman/listinfo/a2k_lists.keionline.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com Sat May 26 03:54:59 2012 From: yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?B?WXJq9iBM5G5zaXB1cm8=?=) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:54:59 +0300 Subject: [governance] FW: SAFETY ADVISORY: Fears of \'government clampdown\' on Azeri journalists after Eurovision Song Contest In-Reply-To: <201205251942.q4PJg7md016426@secex1.oscura.net> References: <201205251942.q4PJg7md016426@secex1.oscura.net> Message-ID: Dear all, It's good to keep an eye on what happens during and after the Eurovision Song Contest in Baku, in view of IGF 2012 Best, Yrjö Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:42:07 +0100 From: info at newssafety.org To: Subject: SAFETY ADVISORY: Fears of \'government clampdown\' on Azeri journalists after Eurovision Song Contest SAFETY ADVISORY: Fears of \'government clampdown\' on Azeri journalists after Eurovision Song Contest If you can't see this email properly please visit http://www.newssafety.org/newsletter/news.php?v=20 The safety of Azeri journalists could deteriorate after this weekend's Eurovision Song Contest in Baku, according to local media organisations and activists. The Institute for Reporters Freedom and Safety (IRFS), based in Baku, said that local journalists could be victims of a government crackdown after the international spotlight has left the oil-rich state."The main concern at this point is what will happen once the party is over,” said Celia Davies, of IRFS.“Local journalists and activists anticipate another government clampdown. An additional worry is the vulnerability of all those who have spoken out and shared their stories with the international press."The concerns were raised after reports that Anar Garayli, an Azeri journalist working for a local news website, was detained by police officers in Baku on May 22.According to reports, he was wearing a Sing for Democracy campaign t-shirt and carrying pamphlets about a local youth movement.The website www.gunxeber.com reported that he was detained for resisting the police and sentenced to 10 days in prison.His case is the latest in string of journalists allegedly targeted for being critical of government activities.In April, award-winning journalist Idrak Abbasov was attacked and hospitalised by security forces after filming the demolition of houses on the outskirts of Baku, according to reports.And in March, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty investigative reporter Khadija Ismailova was the victim of a vicious blackmail attempt after a video of her engaging in sexual activities with her partner appeared on a fake opposition party website.Ismailova, who has written stories accusing President Ilham Aliyev, his family and his inner circle of corruption, believes that the film, which was recorded by a covert camera planted in her apartment, was supposed to intimidate her.“There are still very physical attacks [in Azerbaijan]. There is the KGB method of hidden cameras, which has happened to people as well as Khadija [Ismailova],” said Davies.“There are random beatings in the streets, threats, being taken into the national security and police station and being ‘given a talking to’, that kind of thing. That’s the core of it, and threats are spreading online.”Azeri blogger Emin Milli was assaulted and severely beaten in downtown Baku in 2009 after criticising the government online. He was sentenced to two and a half years in prison on what many human rights organisations believe were fabricated charges of hooliganism.“Many activists, journalists and bloggers who are outspoken in this period will be targeted after Eurovision. Shockingly, it has even started now,” he said.“The situation for local journalists will worsen. Anyone who is an independent journalist in Azerbaijan understands what could happen to him or her. They are under constant psychological and physical pressure.”“After Eurovision there will be much less attention. Come again at the end of the year, and check on the people who gave you interviews. Are they in jail? Were their houses destroyed? Are they living on the street?”Azerbaijan is keen to project an image of a modern, prosperous society to visiting journalists and the international community, but critics say that corruption is rife in Aliyev’s government.In February, Human Rights Watch issued a damning report about forced evictions of home owners in Baku to make way for construction for the flashy singing competition.And in May, human rights groups and press freedom organisations called on the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), which is hosting Eurovision, to ensure greater media freedom in the country. The International News Safety Institute, in collaboration with the Institute for Reporters Freedom and Safety, issues the following safety advisory for local journalists working in Azerbaijan.Be alert to the possibility of secret cameras. There is some risk that your home, office or hotel room could be bugged. Journalists have been targeted in hotel rooms, etc. Secret cameras have taped intimate relationships which have been used for blackmail, or broadcast publicly.Be aware that mobile phones are not a secure means of communication. Be frugal with what you discuss on them.When you go out on assignment, ensure that at least one other person knows where you are going, and when you are expected to return. Have a backup plan if things go wrong.Avoid situations where your personal security may be at risk.Consider meeting government officials with a colleague if possible, to verify the story and the interview.Comply with standards of professional ethics.Consider backing up your material as frequently as possible, and keep the backups separate to your laptop. Consider carrying extra memory cards for copies and pass them on to your colleagues for safe keeping.Do not give away personal details and work details on social media sitesCall the IRFS HOTLINE (+99450 398 48 38, +99 470 398 48 38, +99405 2828797) with any security concerns. Online security Online security poses increasingly complex challenges – these basic precautions are based on Eric S. Johnson, ‘Online Security for Internet Media Serving Severely Censored Countries: A white paper for SIDA’s Oct 2010 “Exile Media” conference’ (updated May 2011)Make sure you have good anti-virus and anti-spam softwareProtect your log-in details for any online accounts (email, Facebook, etc)Do not lose physical possession of your computer while it is switched on (it only takes a few seconds for someone to install a rootkit or keylogger, and then your security is completely compromised)Back up your data as frequently as possible, and preferably in more than one placeEnsure your office and home wifi networks are secure, and avoid using public wifiUse “https everywhere” (free add-on)Set Facebook and Twitter to use https for all access; you need to do this manually via account settingsSet maximum security for all social media networking sitesDo not accept everyone as “friends” on Facebook. Think about whether you really want or need them as a friendUse Gmail rather than yahoo, hotmail, mail.ru etc; it automatically encrypts information INSI will continue to monitor the safety of Azeri journalists after the Eurovision song contest and asks anybody with information on any incidents involving journalists to contact Rodney Pinder + 44 7734 70 92 67 rodney.pinder at newssafety.org; or Hannah Storm +44 7766 814274 hannah.storm at newssafety.org To Unsubscribe from our list please reply to this email with 'Unsubscribe' in the subject line -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gross Former U.S. Coordinator International Communications and Information Policy Ms. Sally Shipman Wentworth Senior Manager, Public Policy Internet Society http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 The event will be streamed at http://energycommerce.house.gov/ and it may be worth at least following and tweeting about it (there is a tweet box on the front page of the site). As an aside, the Energy and Commerce Committee site is full of partisan slurs again "Obamacare", environmentalists, anti-nuclear activists and the like. 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Countries who proposed UN oversight on the 18th, such as South Africa and Iran always qualified that they are arguing for intergovernmental oversight of internet public policy and that this role should not include technical management of the internet. It is in fact the 'public policy oversight' that I am concerned about, particularly as they are proposing to locate this in the ITU. The distorted FCC reaction to talk of the ITU taking over and 'regulating' the internet only sets serious discussion about international cooperation, and rooting internet policy in existing international agreements, back. It has also been clear from following this process that governments that were open to non-ITU options are increasingly going for a pro-ITU option because their concerns are not taken seriously in other spaces. Anriette On 28/05/2012 04:56, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > Speaking of inclusive and multi-stakeholder debates on Internet > governance reform, this will not be happening on 31 May at the US House > Committee on Energy and Commerce, when there will be a hearing on > "International Proposals to Regulate the Internet" with the following > (closed) list of witnesses: > > The Honorable Robert McDowell > Commissioner > Federal Communications Commission > > The Honorable David A. Gross > Former U.S. Coordinator > International Communications and Information Policy > > Ms. Sally Shipman Wentworth > Senior Manager, Public Policy > Internet Society > > http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 > > The event will be streamed at http://energycommerce.house.gov/ and it > may be worth at least following and tweeting about it (there is a tweet > box on the front page of the site). > > As an aside, the Energy and Commerce Committee site is full of partisan > slurs again "Obamacare", environmentalists, anti-nuclear activists and > the like. > > We can expect the depth of intellectual debate at this hearing to rise > to the level of "America invented the Internet, we don't want no UN > bureaucrats from Iran or China meddling with it!". > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon May 28 03:26:51 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:26:51 +0200 Subject: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet In-Reply-To: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4FC328BB.6050206@apc.org> hi jeremy i replied to this.. and then realised you had sent to the old address... want to repost? and then i will resend my reply cheers.. anriette PS - I really appreciated your comments last week in the 'economy' thread On 28/05/2012 04:56, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > Speaking of inclusive and multi-stakeholder debates on Internet > governance reform, this will not be happening on 31 May at the US House > Committee on Energy and Commerce, when there will be a hearing on > "International Proposals to Regulate the Internet" with the following > (closed) list of witnesses: > > The Honorable Robert McDowell > Commissioner > Federal Communications Commission > > The Honorable David A. Gross > Former U.S. Coordinator > International Communications and Information Policy > > Ms. Sally Shipman Wentworth > Senior Manager, Public Policy > Internet Society > > http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 > > The event will be streamed at http://energycommerce.house.gov/ and it > may be worth at least following and tweeting about it (there is a tweet > box on the front page of the site). > > As an aside, the Energy and Commerce Committee site is full of partisan > slurs again "Obamacare", environmentalists, anti-nuclear activists and > the like. > > We can expect the depth of intellectual debate at this hearing to rise > to the level of "America invented the Internet, we don't want no UN > bureaucrats from Iran or China meddling with it!". > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon May 28 04:35:37 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:35:37 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD94@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hello my understanding is that the US Hearing is aimed less on ICANN and CIR oversight und more on ITU, WCIT and ITR. David Gross, who was the head of the US governmental delegation during WSIS II and in Tunis, raised this issue, by ringing the alarm bells, a couple of months ago. http://www.whoswholegal.com/news/features/article/29378/the-2012-world-conference-international-telecommunications-brewing-storm-potential-un-regulation-internet/ I participated in the WCIT consultations during the recent WSIS Forum in Room 16 in the ILO Building where ITU´s Alexander Ntoko tried to water down the growing political debate about the renewal of the ITRs from 1988 which is the subject of the "World Conference on International Telecommunication" (WCIT), scheduled for Dubai, December 2012. The debate was partly bizarr. We discussed documents which the majority of the people in the room (around 150) didn´t know. The governmental representative from Iran said that "Internet Governance is not on the agenda of the Dubai conference". But in the next statement he said that IPv6 is part of the agenda and that today "the Internet is everyhwere". An even more irritating position was taken by the rep from the UAE, the host of the WCIT. I felt that we are back in 2002, during PrepCom1, when CS (together with the PS) was moved out of the room. The UAE rep argued that the governments represent their people and there is no need to give access to documents to non-member states of the ITU. As a private company you can join ITU as a sector member, have to pay a high entrance fee and get access to the documents. If a CS organisations wants to have the documents they should contact their governments, was the recommendnation. As you know, all WCIT conference documents are not accessible. You have to have a TIED account to open the documents and this is reserved to member states only. The problem with ITR is that the old treaty was drafted by the WATTC in Melbourne 1988 when the Internet was not an issue. It is understandable that such a treaty needs a renewal,. The question is HOW? The ITR are seen as an umbrella treaty for all kinds of transborder telecommunication. It needs ratification and is legally binding. The WCIT Prep Committee had several meetings, the final one will be in June 2012 just at the eve of the ICANN meeting in Prague. It is "behind closed doors". A key problem is that the short text of the ITR regulations include a lot of "definitions". By extending the scope of the "defined categories" for international telecommunication the risk is high that you extend ITRs to the Internet. With other words, if you do not like the existing Internet mechanisms, there is no need to attack them directly, it is much easier to undermine them by introducing an addtional regulatiry layer (in a legally binding form). With the ITR you give governments a legal incentive to "re-nationalize" the Internet and you open the door for a split into a "governmental led part of the Internet" (under the ITU) and a "multistakeholder led part of the Internet" (under ICANN). The ITU-ICANN relationship is still unsettled and full of mistrust, The ITU (and ICANN) didn´t do anything to implement the ITU resolution from 2010 (Guadalajara) which called for new forms of collaboration. Did the ITU made any serious statement in the UNCSTD consultatitons on "enhanced cooperation"? In Geneva last week it was announced that the ITU will come to the ICANN meeting in Prague. So lets wait an see what they have to say. Here is a para. from my intervention in Geneva:: "EU Commissioner Nelly Kroes, in a speech recently in Berlin, called the protest of tens of thousands of people against ACTA a "wake up call for Brussels". The EU obviously starts to realize that in a multistakeholder Internet environment one can no longer negotiate issues of general interests, which affect two billions of Internet users, by governments only behind closed doors. Madame Kroes declared in Berlin that ACTA in its present form can not survive. The ITU should learn from this. If you negotiate the ITRs behind closed doors, we will probably see in 2013 another wave of public protest around the world. Two years ago, nobody knew what ACTA means. Today it is a symbol for a wrong approach to manage global issues related to the Internet. Today nobody knows what ITR means. Tomorrow it could become a symbol for a wrong approach to regulate the Internet. Again: If you want to have a sustainable renewal of the ITRs, open the doors to the ITR negotiations. Otherwise the year 2013 could see a "wake up call for Geneva". Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Anriette Esterhuysen Gesendet: Mo 28.05.2012 09:21 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: Re: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet Thanks for posting this, Jeremy. Not very promising. And I wonder which proposals they are going to discuss. Personally I don't think that any proposals to date, not CIRP or IBSA or IT for Change or others made on Sunday qualify as proposals for 'regulating the internet'. Perhaps the Saudi Arabia comments are closest to this direction. Countries who proposed UN oversight on the 18th, such as South Africa and Iran always qualified that they are arguing for intergovernmental oversight of internet public policy and that this role should not include technical management of the internet. It is in fact the 'public policy oversight' that I am concerned about, particularly as they are proposing to locate this in the ITU. The distorted FCC reaction to talk of the ITU taking over and 'regulating' the internet only sets serious discussion about international cooperation, and rooting internet policy in existing international agreements, back. It has also been clear from following this process that governments that were open to non-ITU options are increasingly going for a pro-ITU option because their concerns are not taken seriously in other spaces. Anriette On 28/05/2012 04:56, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > Speaking of inclusive and multi-stakeholder debates on Internet > governance reform, this will not be happening on 31 May at the US House > Committee on Energy and Commerce, when there will be a hearing on > "International Proposals to Regulate the Internet" with the following > (closed) list of witnesses: > > The Honorable Robert McDowell > Commissioner > Federal Communications Commission > > The Honorable David A. Gross > Former U.S. Coordinator > International Communications and Information Policy > > Ms. Sally Shipman Wentworth > Senior Manager, Public Policy > Internet Society > > http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9543 > > The event will be streamed at http://energycommerce.house.gov/ and it > may be worth at least following and tweeting about it (there is a tweet > box on the front page of the site). > > As an aside, the Energy and Commerce Committee site is full of partisan > slurs again "Obamacare", environmentalists, anti-nuclear activists and > the like. > > We can expect the depth of intellectual debate at this hearing to rise > to the level of "America invented the Internet, we don't want no UN > bureaucrats from Iran or China meddling with it!". > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Mon May 28 05:09:35 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:09:35 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD94@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD94@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <9M42BDEPD0wPFAQp@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCD94 at server1.medienkomm. uni-halle.de>, at 10:35:37 on Mon, 28 May 2012, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" writes > The governmental representative from Iran said that "Internet Governance is not on the agenda of the Dubai conference". But in the next >statement he said that IPv6 is part of the agenda and that today "the Internet is everyhwere". If IPv6 is a "day to day technical and operation matter" (Tunis #69), then perhaps our Iranian friend has a point. But no-one can deny IPv6 will "be on the agenda" - all this previous work isn't just conveniently going to fade away: >As a private company you can join ITU as a sector member, have to pay a high entrance fee and get access to the documents. If a CS >organisations wants to have the documents they should contact their governments, was the recommendnation. As you know, all WCIT conference >documents are not accessible. You have to have a TIED account to open the documents and this is reserved to member states only. It's a TIES account (Telecommunication Information Exchange Service) and they are given to Sector Members too. A few Council documents are restricted to member states only, but most of the TIES site is available to Sector members, and I never failed to source a document I needed, even when not a member. If you feel you are part of the constituency of any of the Sector members (which include RIRs and ISOC), perhaps you could ask their staff to brief you, to the extent they feel ITU protocol allows? And it's times like this relationships built up with various member state representatives over the years come to the fore. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Mon May 28 05:20:35 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:20:35 +0200 Subject: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet In-Reply-To: <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> Message-ID: <64A862BD-09B1-4B34-8934-D34BCFA2341B@uzh.ch> Hi On May 28, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > The distorted FCC reaction to talk of the ITU taking over and > 'regulating' the internet only sets serious discussion about > international cooperation, and rooting internet policy in existing > international agreements, back. To be clear: the US House is under Republican control, so the selection of speakers is part of a larger effort to portray things as "the Obama administration is asleep at the wheel while the UN is moving to take over the Internet." Robert McDowell is one of two Republican commissions on an FCC of five, and he is looking to make a name for himself via Wall St. Journal etc. pumping up UN black helicopter paranoias among the political "base". When he's off the commission he'll get a good job somewhere and nice speaking fees. But I wouldn't take his views as "the FCC reaction." Dems on the commission may also have concerns about some of the WCIT proposals, and for good reason, but I've not seen them hyperventilating in the same manner. David A. Gross is there because he was Bush's Ambassador at State. Nice smile, but also pretty far to the right, and no formal role in US policy discussions. Apparently the subcom chair saw no reason to hear from the person who's actually ambassador now and could relate what's happening both in the administration's planning process and in discussions with ITU members. Sally Shipman Wentworth will be able to reflect on all the work ISOC's been doing deep diving into the proposed ITR revisions. Her presentation will be the one serious one to watch. Best, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sally Shipman was also in Tunis and was then on the staff of Amb. Gross. Both have been sympathetic to civil society concerns and were involved in overcoming the efforts by other governmental delegations to exclude CS during the WSIS prepcom process. (There are many rooms in the house of the Lord.) Bests, Rony Koven -----Original Message----- From: William Drake To: governance ; Anriette Esterhuysen Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Re: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet Hi On May 28, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: The distorted FCC reaction to talk of the ITU taking over and 'regulating' the internet only sets serious discussion about international cooperation, and rooting internet policy in existing international agreements, back. To be clear: the US House is under Republican control, so the selection of speakers is part of a larger effort to portray things as "the Obama administration is asleep at the wheel while the UN is moving to take over the Internet." Robert McDowell is one of two Republican commissions on an FCC of five, and he is looking to make a name for himself via Wall St. Journal etc. pumping up UN black helicopter paranoias among the political "base". When he's off the commission he'll get a good job somewhere and nice speaking fees. But I wouldn't take his views as "the FCC reaction." Dems on the commission may also have concerns about some of the WCIT proposals, and for good reason, but I've not seen them hyperventilating in the same manner. David A. Gross is there because he was Bush's Ambassador at State. Nice smile, but also pretty far to the right, and no formal role in US policy discussions. Apparently the subcom chair saw no reason to hear from the person who's actually ambassador now and could relate what's happening both in the administration's planning process and in discussions with ITU members. Sally Shipman Wentworth will be able to reflect on all the work ISOC's been doing deep diving into the proposed ITR revisions. Her presentation will be the one serious one to watch. Best, Bill ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Mon May 28 05:54:31 2012 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:54:31 +0900 Subject: [governance] which list: cpsr or igcaucus Message-ID: We seem to have the same threads running on two lists governance at lists.cpsr.org and governance at lists.igcaucus.org and just to be helpful, they have the same subject line tag [governance]. Could we agree on one list? Confused :-) Adam ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Mon May 28 06:18:05 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:18:05 +0200 Subject: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet In-Reply-To: <8CF0ACCC83913F2-C40-26DEE@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> <64A862BD-09B1-4B34-8934-D34BCFA2341B@uzh.ch> <8CF0ACCC83913F2-C40-26DEE@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <99E706D5-4061-4733-9F79-6E27AB4CD5F6@uzh.ch> Hi Rony On May 28, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Koven Ronald wrote: > Bill -- > > To be complete, it should be noted that David Gross headed the US Delegation at WSIS II in Tunism where he played a major role in reaching the compromise to create IGF as a forum for discussion of the issues on which no consensus could be reached in Tunis. Yes, after initially expressing skepticism about IGF, the prospect of a summit failure helped turn State around (like ISOC and ICC). And I did note the smile. > > Sally Shipman was also in Tunis and was then on the staff of Amb. Gross. Yes > > Both have been sympathetic to civil society concerns and were involved in overcoming the efforts by other governmental delegations to exclude CS during the WSIS prepcom process. Yes…well, at least with respect to being able to attend meetings, and FoE. David and the Bush team were rather less responsive to many of other other ideas, e.g. on internationalizing authority over the root, having the US publicly commit not to use its leverage to try taking governments it's in conflict with off the net, scaling back the IRP wars, having an IGF that did more than hold annual conferences, actually meeting with civil society reps during prepcoms, summits, etc….and on and on. But my main point was that hearing from the current ambassador about what the current administration is doing with respect to current coordination with other governments on a pending negotiation would be more useful than getting an outsider perspective "from one of ours." But that's that's the way the Republican House rolls... > > (There are many rooms in the house of the Lord.) And even more in the houses of atheists..:-) Cheers Bill > > Bests, Rony Koven > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Drake > To: governance ; Anriette Esterhuysen > Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21 am > Subject: Re: [governance] US hearing on International Proposals to Regulate the Internet > > Hi > > On May 28, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> The distorted FCC reaction to talk of the ITU taking over and >> 'regulating' the internet only sets serious discussion about >> international cooperation, and rooting internet policy in existing >> international agreements, back. > > To be clear: the US House is under Republican control, so the selection of speakers is part of a larger effort to portray things as "the Obama administration is asleep at the wheel while the UN is moving to take over the Internet." Robert McDowell is one of two Republican commissions on an FCC of five, and he is looking to make a name for himself via Wall St. Journal etc. pumping up UN black helicopter paranoias among the political "base". When he's off the commission he'll get a good job somewhere and nice speaking fees. But I wouldn't take his views as "the FCC reaction." Dems on the commission may also have concerns about some of the WCIT proposals, and for good reason, but I've not seen them hyperventilating in the same manner. > > David A. Gross is there because he was Bush's Ambassador at State. Nice smile, but also pretty far to the right, and no formal role in US policy discussions. Apparently the subcom chair saw no reason to hear from the person who's actually ambassador now and could relate what's happening both in the administration's planning process and in discussions with ITU members. > > Sally Shipman Wentworth will be able to reflect on all the work ISOC's been doing deep diving into the proposed ITR revisions. Her presentation will be the one serious one to watch. > > Best, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon May 28 07:08:43 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:08:43 +0200 Subject: [governance] China & Twitter References: <4FC2E95F.9090005@ciroap.org> <4FC32791.5080000@apc.org> <64A862BD-09B1-4B34-8934-D34BCFA2341B@uzh.ch> <8CF0ACCC83913F2-C40-26DEE@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com> <99E706D5-4061-4733-9F79-6E27AB4CD5F6@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCDA1@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> FYI http://thenextweb.com/asia/2012/05/09/sina-weibo-to-introduce-user-contract-on-may-28-as-chinas-microblog-crackdown-continues/ wolfgang ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon May 28 07:47:04 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:47:04 +0800 Subject: [governance] which list: cpsr or igcaucus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200AF330-EFF2-49AC-BC18-178C98F12FA2@ciroap.org> On 28/05/2012, at 5:54 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > We seem to have the same threads running on two lists > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > and > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > and just to be helpful, they have the same subject line tag [governance]. > > Could we agree on one list? I'm not sure how lists.cpsr.org because active again, because one of my last acts when establishing the new list was to change it into moderated mode, so that no posts could get through without approval. Unless Sala or Izumi have deliberately reverted that change, I'll put it back in that mode. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Follow @ConsumersInt Like us at www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon May 28 07:51:37 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:51:37 +0800 Subject: [governance] which list: cpsr or igcaucus In-Reply-To: <200AF330-EFF2-49AC-BC18-178C98F12FA2@ciroap.org> References: <200AF330-EFF2-49AC-BC18-178C98F12FA2@ciroap.org> Message-ID: On 28/05/2012, at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > I'm not sure how lists.cpsr.org because active again, because one of my last acts when establishing the new list was to change it into moderated mode, so that no posts could get through without approval. Unless Sala or Izumi have deliberately reverted that change, I'll put it back in that mode. Uh no I won't, because I no longer seem to have access to do so. Someone called "Al Whaley", who presumably opened up the old list again, is now its owner. In any case, nobody should be using that list anymore, everyone should be using governance at lists.igcaucus.org. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Follow @ConsumersInt Like us at www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu May 31 17:23:54 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:23:54 +0100 Subject: [governance] Facebook profiles blocked and content removed in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <21B81E06-CC98-493D-A594-4E64F4F4F46C@privaterra.org> <4FC65B85.7040307@cafonso.ca> <4FC6FE88.3030809@apcwomen.org> <4FC721EE.5020209@uni-graz.at> Message-ID: In message , at 07:55:35 on Fri, 1 Jun 2012, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro writes >6.You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. They don't seem very successful at enforcing this, as several subscribers have apparently been harassed sufficiently to commit suicide. >7.You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or >pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or >gratuitous violence Without a definition of "nudity", this is pretty meaningless. Janet Jackson had a problem exposing just one nipple, and in the UK more recently an artist called Beatrix Von BourBon became notorious for not quite exposing either of her nipples. But outside of show business, people are often depicted in innocent and non-sexual, but partially clothed, contexts. This tends to remind me of when a website talking about the possibility of seeing numerous Parus Major [to use the Latin name] in a country park was censored by an over-active local librarian. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Thu May 31 17:28:53 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:28:53 -0300 Subject: [governance] Facebook profiles blocked and content removed in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <21B81E06-CC98-493D-A594-4E64F4F4F46C@privaterra.org> <4FC65B85.7040307@cafonso.ca> <4FC6FE88.3030809@apcwomen.org> <4FC721EE.5020209@uni-graz.at> Message-ID: Although I have a legal background, I allow myself to question law and to argue beyond law, based on social and political implications they entail. Quoting a bad law does not make it good. I will not follow laws uncritically, especially if this “law” we are talking about is actually a contract that I cannot negotiate with the other party. Moreover, the validity of contracts and their adjustment to the social reality should always be assessed under public values. Consumer’s rights laws have a well established understanding about contracts that one side cannot modify (we call them “contratos de adesão” in Portuguese, I don’t know how to name them in English). They entail a juridical asymmetry: there is one part that controls the terms and there is another party that does not have any say about the terms. They bring about abuses by their own nature because they hamper the ability to negotiate or to raise issues of interpretation. For instance, I would like to argue with Facebook what they mean when they ban nudity. Can I post pictures from Rio de Janeiro carnival? Can I post a cartoon with a nude character? (the list would go on) But Facebook does not allow me to do that. I need to give them a blank check: nude is whatever FB decides nudity is. Why am I in FB and "agreed" with this terms of use? Very prosaic explanation. Unfortunately, this is the dominant platform for online communication in my country. My family and friends, who live in far away cities, post their lives in FB. Not being in FB is missing a big part of their lives; is losing the chance of following their day-to-day. It means loss of emotional ties to me. And, since FB is becoming a platform for general communication, political protests, and so on, it would mean a handicap in my ability to socially engage and make my views heard. So, do I have an option? Sure, but the cost of this option is becoming higher everyday. Too high for me to call this a real “option”. The suggestion to create a parallel FB if people are not happy with the current one seems so out of the reality of an average user that I will not make comments about it. Matthias has put this argument better than I could ever do it, so I quote: “as soon as social network providers are so successful that their networks are a "quasi-public sphere" they lose, it can be argued, the right to use terms of service to limit international standards of freedom of expression. The more successful and public a service is, the fewer restrictions may be allowed”. I certainly know that FB is one channel among others to fight for (yes, I think we need to *fight*) respect for women, for sexual and reproductive rights and to curb violence. I have been involved with gender issues for many years. But FB is an increasingly important channel with an impact on the off-line world. For example: when slut walk took place during the weekend, no one argued about the images of it being displayed anywhere (newspapers, TV). Now, thanks to FB censuring them and banning profiles, the conservative forces in my country that are against woman’s liberties (including religious movements) have found the space they wanted to start a hypocritical crusade against these images. If we ban the slut walk from the media, we certainly will have to ban carnival. But no one ever complained about carnival. Interesting. Women’s bodies can be depicted when the are objects of lust, not when they are subjects… So, if progressive forces do not act quickly, this can lead to a setback, especially because we are in a crucial moment of our regulatory path. I am totally in favor of achieving "harmony" on this and other topics. But this is a crossborder issue that involves private forces and public interest. Tell me the place where we can globally tackle this issue, all together, in a multistakeholder fashion and I will be the first to attend and try to contribute so that “harmony” can come about. But first we probably need to fight for such a space to exist. Best, Marília On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >> Matthias, very interesting message, I very much agree. Thanks for the >> reference of the article. >> >> Norbert:im my mind there is no question that whatever freedom of >> expression issues there may be with nudity restrictions on Facebook, the >> issue of webmaster liability is a freedom of expression problem of a >> much more serious kind. >> >> MM: Norbert, I agree with you on the importance of liability. Clear and >> reduced liability of intermediaries is something we are trying to push with >> the Brazilian Civil Rights Framework, to avoid the chilling effect. The >> battle will take place in Congress soon. But, on the other hand, I think we >> cannot minimize the importance of the parameters of "good behavior" set by >> these global platforms, such as FB. I have a younger sister, and it amazes >> me how the Internet for younger generations is restricted to platforms like >> FB and apps. They carry content to these platforms in a way that they are >> the ones to intermediate digital reality for them. I think that rules >> established on ToRs are able to influence and modulate, very subtly, >> cultural ideas, such as the idea of morality. And the importance of this >> cannot be underestimated and it justifies the discussion of this topic, as >> much as the topic of intermediaries. >> >> > >> Sala: What if facebook was merely trying to comply with US laws and >> other countries laws that expressly prohibit obscenity. >> >> MM: Sala, you are taking a commercial/juridical stance. I am taking a >> political stance. >> > > Sala: I raised this question to highlight that Facebook exist in an > ecosystem where their actions are affected by third party influences or > regulatory influences. Some would argue that there are diverse influences > that drive political agenda whether civil society driven, or commercially > driven. It is generally accepted in most democratic countries that laws > merely reflect the pulse of the people. The exception of course is > countries that have illegitimate governments such as those that have been > usurped through Coup D' Etats and tyranny. > > >> Two points. First, I do not think that is up to FB to give concreteness >> to a notion of nudity or obscenity. >> > > Sala: I think we need to re-visit the Terms of Service [ see: > http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms]. When people sign up, they sign up > knowing what is permitted and not permitted and have the "Free will" to > disengage. > I have copied a section from their Terms of Service,see below: > > *3. Safety* > > We do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need > your help to do that, which includes the following commitments: > > 1. You will not send or otherwise post unauthorized commercial > communications (such as spam) on Facebook. > 2. You will not collect users' content or information, or otherwise > access Facebook, using automated means (such as harvesting bots, robots, > spiders, or scrapers) without our permission. > 3. You will not engage in unlawful multi-level marketing, such as a > pyramid scheme, on Facebook. > 4. You will not upload viruses or other malicious code. > 5. You will not solicit login information or access an account > belonging to someone else. > 6. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. > 7. You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or > pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous > violence. > 8. You will not develop or operate a third-party application > containing alcohol-related or other mature content (including > advertisements) without appropriate age-based restrictions. > 9. You will follow our Promotions Guidelines and > all applicable laws if you publicize or offer any contest, giveaway, or > sweepstakes (“promotion”) on Facebook. > 10. You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, > malicious, or discriminatory. > 11. You will not do anything that could disable, overburden, or impair > the proper working of Facebook, such as a denial of service attack. > 12. You will not facilitate or encourage any violations of this > Statement. > > > >> This is a very complicated debate, of public interest, that cannot be >> carried out by the board of company alone, whose role is, naturally, to >> maximize profit and minimize risks. >> > Sala: The point is to see if there is any logic. If we moved away from the > online world and consider organizations and clubs who impose rules on their > members, is it reasonable to expect a certain type of rule or code imposed > on those who willingly choose to subscribe. How different should it be for > an ordinary entity in the ecosystem. There are many other social networks > aside from Facebook that one can go to if one does not like the rules. On > the other hand, we see how European Privacy Regulators have effectively > intervened where Facebook has violated some of these rights. > > > >> Second, I personally do not care to which country law they are complying >> with. >> > > Sala: I understand but when an assertion is made that just because > Facebook is a private company it exists to derive a profit at the expense > of public interest, is on one view misleading if one does not show the > holistic picture of what may be causing them to behave in a certain > fashion. > >> My point is that they are enforcing a FB policy norm that does not echo >> laws and common sense in Brazil and this interpretation is going against >> the fight of feminist movements and movements fighting for sexual rights >> here. >> > Sala: I suppose this is how inventions, innovations are birthed. When one > is dissatisfied with the status quo or with what currently exists and > dreams of a better way. This is where you can start an alternative social > network and create your own rules. As someone who is also an advocate > against violence against women and children, I do not see any correlation > to the advocacy work. There are more "concrete" ways to lodge the battle > against violence from a National Framework perspective such as > strengthening and making consistent sources of statistics, improving access > to justice delivery systems having robust community intake centers, > ensuring that governments prioritize and allocate finances etc. I was very > impressed with how the District Superior Courts in Washington D.C after > analysing statistics and noting that the incidence of violence seemed to be > coming from the SE Quadrant came up with the idea to establish a Community > Intake Center and Satellite technology where victims could access a Judge > for emergency protection orders. [See:United Medical Center > 1328 Southern Avenue, SE, Suite 311,Washington, DC]. If we examine what > occurred in Toronto that sparked the entire "March", it was the comments of > a Police Officer which imputes a certain level of "insensitivity". Police > Insensitivity is a global phenomenon and even New York had its share and > sadly recently in Colorado, Jessica Gonzalez lost her children because the > Police did not effect a restraining order. She took State to Court and it > reached the Supreme Court and although they ruled against her, she won her > matter when they took it to the Inter American Commission on Human Rights > where the Commission said that the United States had a responsibility to > Jessica. > > We already have our internal disputes with conservative movements, as was >> pointed out by Jac, when he mentioned the Azeredo Bill. We do not need this >> external push from FB giving a restrictive interpretation of what is >> obscene and what is moral. >> > Sala: I respect your perspective even if I disagree. > > >> It just reinforces the conservative forces we are trying to fight. >> > > Sala: Why fight, when we can live in harmony? Everything has a place. The > quiet stream in the middle of the rainforest and the loud volcano erupting > are all part of one big ecosystem. > >> So, FB juridical compliance with some country's law is translating into a >> political setback here. >> >> Sala: I respectfully disagree. > > Of course, more countries with a more conservative approach to sexual >> rights could argue the opposite, that FB disrespects local moral standards. >> What is the solution? It can't be one size fits all, otherwise we will only >> see ankles of women in FB. >> > > Sala: No one ever said that we should only see the ankles of women on FB. > What we should be discussing is how to tackle the abuse of the exception > under Article 19 of the ICCPR. > > >> Fragmentation on service in each jurisdiction? I don't think this should >> be the way... But I think that, definitely, this should be a theme for >> global discussion. >> >> Badouin, thanks! I appreciate. We will keep in touch. >> >> Best, >> Marília >> >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann < >> matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> >>> since Facebook's "Abuse Standards" were leaked in February we know >>> according to which policies Facebook policies content. I've summed at the >>> discussion here: >>> http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com/2012/02/where-humor-overrules-hate-speech-and.html. >>> >>> >>> There are a number of issues involved. One is that prima facie and in >>> purely legal terms a social networking company can choose to censor certain >>> content, if its users have agreed to submitting to this censorship, as part >>> of the terms of service to which they submit to when creating an account. >>> >>> But there are limits to this: A company cannot engage in arbitrary >>> censorship. Further, as soon as social network providers are so successful >>> that their networks are a "quasi-public sphere" they lose, it can be >>> argued, the right to use terms of service to limit international standards >>> of freedom of expression. The more successful and public a service is, the >>> fewer restrictions may be allowed. >>> >>> As I've heard pointed out, Facebook pursues something of a 'college >>> morality'. Sex is bad, but violence is ok. The "Abuse Standards" bear this >>> out. >>> >>> Back in February I wrote in my blog: >>> >>> "Among pictures which are not allowed, we find those showing "Any >>> OBVIOUS sexual activity [...] Cartoons/art included".Users are also not >>> allowed to "describe sexual activity in writing, except when an attempt at >>> humor or insult." >>> >>> "Digital/cartoon nudity" is not ok, but "Art nudity" is fine. People >>> “using the bathroom” are not allowed, neither are "[b]latant (obvious) >>> depiction of camel toes and moose knuckles". >>> >>> Facebook also bans "[s]lurs or racial comments of any kind", hate >>> symbols and "showing support for organizations and people primarily known >>> for violence." But the Guidelines caution that "[h]umor overrules hate >>> speech UNLESS slur words are present or the humor is not evident." >>> >>> Since the importance of Facebook as an international forum of >>> aggregation and articulation of ideas is growing, the leaked document >>> amount to what it believes should be an international moral consenus on >>> allowed content. This would be problematic as the document is not free of >>> bias and should be vetted more carefully against international law on >>> freedom of expression. With regard to the generally excepted exceptions >>> from freedom of expression, however, most of the standards pass muster. >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> Content violative of human rights of others will always exist. Social >>> network providers are obliged to protect their users from that content but >>> at the same time must ensure that they do not infringe freedom of >>> expression unnecessarily. >>> >>> What Facebook should now do is officially publish the Abuse Standards, >>> clarify the moderation process, and start a vigorous debate among its users >>> on the international standards of freedom of expression." **** >>> >>> For more, see >>> >>> http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com/2012/02/where-humor-overrules-hate-speech-and.html >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 31.05.2012 09:01, schrieb Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jac sm Kee wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> hi all, >>>> >>>> a glimpse into how FB implements its censorship policies in practice: >>>> >>>> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/22/low-wage-facebook-contractor-leaks-secret-censorship-list/ >>>> >>>> In those countries, the people make their laws through the >>>> > parliament and one can say that they are legitimately exercising >>>> > their sovereign right to determine what is "acceptable" versus what >>>> > is "not acceptable" - do we then dare say that they are wrong. >>>> > Every country has the sovereign right and the people therein the >>>> > sovereign right to determine for themselves what is "public >>>> > morality". >>>> actually, the state's duties to protect public morality is precisely >>>> what provides legitimate cause of governments to intervene and create >>>> more laws around censorship of the internet - and this needs a closer >>>> and more critical analysis than accepting as is. e.g. in brazil, the >>>> problematic azeredo bill was first pushed under economic arguments >>>> (preventing financial fraud) - didn't work. but when it was pushed >>>> under child protection arguments, it almost went through without a >>>> hiccup and galvanised a lot of support (which also resulted in a huge >>>> protests - but different story). >>>> >>>> There are two opposing schools of thought and maybe more, one holds >>> the view that what is true in the real world must hold true in the virtual >>> world. Paraphrasing that would mean that laws that are applicable in real >>> time should be applicable in the internet. The other believes that there >>> should be separate laws in real life and separate laws for the Internet. >>> Every event/transaction has to be analysed according to its own merits so >>> that the danger of painting everyone with the same brush is reduced. >>> >>> >>>> pornography is another obvious one, but then what does this constitute >>>> and how is it defined can be a problem - as can be seen the FB >>>> scenario. not the first time they have come across problems, e.g. they >>>> are notorious for blocking photographs of women breastfeeding. compare >>>> this against e.g. time magazine's recent controversial cover of a >>>> woman breastfeeding, which is okay under US laws - so, lowest common >>>> denominator internationally? >>> >>> This, I would respectfully submit is not the correct test.What is >>> culturally acceptable in Miami, Florida, US is not the same as in Qatar, >>> Malaysia etc. To dictate to them what their public morality won't buy us >>> any ground as far as advocacy for freedom of expression is concerned and >>> only serves to alienate without educating and giving them an opportunity to >>> learn and grow. See the tests that the US Supreme court used in the Miller >>> case. >>> >>> >>>> this would mean anything less than e.g. >>>> fully closed face and ankles and wrists would be unacceptable. that >>>> doesn't quite make sense either. >>>> >>>> That was never said. For the record, the discussions have been about >>> namely the following:- >>> >>> 1. Is the right of freedom of expression an absolute right? Is it an >>> unfettered right? >>> 2. Does the right of freedom of expression come with >>> responsibilities? >>> 3. Who should be responsible when it comes to the Internet? >>> 4. Are there exceptions under International law? >>> 5. What are those exceptions? >>> 6. Are there instances where the exceptions have been abused? >>> 7. How can civil society advocate responsibly? >>> >>> >>> >>> apc has been doing a research on examining how internet regulation and >>>> regulation of sexuality goes hand-in-hand, and it's thrown up some >>>> interesting points. from e.g. international aid for infrastructure >>>> that comes encumbered with policy requirements and setting national >>>> agendas on e.g. the issue of child pornography, to the contentious >>>> geopolitical negotiations around sexual speech, health, rights and >>>> citizenship. more info: http://erotics.apc.org >>>> >>>> i've also been reading the conversations around EC and democratization >>>> of IG on this list with interest. and the thing that bugs me about >>>> looking at democratization starting from national democratic processes >>>> is that the potential of the internet to facilitate democratic >>>> participation and deliberations is precisely because it is currently >>>> still somewhat slippery from complete state control, as opposed to >>>> e.g. broadcasting media and books and streets. >>> >>> >>> I think that when making a broad assertion that you give specific >>> examples so that there can be discussion and debate. >>> >>>> so i am reluctant to >>>> say that states should ahve oversight and negotiate it from there. >>>> >>> >>> There is some misunderstanding. In any sovereign jurisdiction, civil >>> society, private sector and the state each have their place. The foundation >>> of multistakeholderism stems from the basic notion that the governments, >>> private sector and civil society have clear functions. What is enhanced >>> cooperation domestically within a nation and what does it look like outside >>> the country? What should it look like? >>> >>> although i understand that global governance and oversight is >>>> different from national, but when states become the highest hierarchy >>>> of authority, then my point of entry for engagement as civ soc would >>>> be from that level. it's not something i am optimistic about.. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> anyway, 2 cents, >>>> jac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > What FB is doing will potentially impact the way that younger >>>> > generations >>>> >> will perceive liberty (including body expression and sexual >>>> >> liberty) and morality. And, in my country, FB is actually being >>>> >> more conservative than traditional media, endangering the >>>> >> progress we made on recent decades when it comes to body >>>> >> expression women's rights and sexual rights. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Is it facebook that is being conservative? Afterall, they are >>>> >> merely trying to comply with the laws of the land. I think that >>>> >> if people have an issue, they should take it up with their >>>> >> respective Parliaments and have it debated. These comments are >>>> >> restricted to the "Freedom of Expression" but when it comes to >>>> >> "Privacy" and "misuse" of information and data - I have different >>>> >> views. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> I do not feel comfortable to place this sort of decision on FB's >>>> >> hands, with no chance of democratic debate, with no chance to >>>> >> scrutinize these policies they impinge on users. >>>> >> >>>> >> These are good discussions and Turkey and Thailand and the US >>>> >> make >>>> > fascinating studies. >>>> > >>>> >> Best, Marília >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Some basic conclusions: a) rights, such as freedom of >>>> >>>>> expression, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Why would one who uses FB think they can express themselves >>>> >>>> outside of the FB ToS/AUP? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> are being >>>> >>>>> restricted by the same platforms that are praised and known >>>> >>>>> for >>>> >>>> enabling >>>> >>>>> their exercise; b) there is a privatization of Internet >>>> >>>>> regulation, >>>> >>>> subtle, >>>> >>>>> based on contracts (terms of use) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would you argue that Internet companies have NO ToS? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , but yet, dangerous; c) I see no adequate >>>> >>>>> forum where we should take this issue to be analized in a >>>> >>>> participatory and >>>> >>>>> balanced way in the global arena. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nor should there be IMHO. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates >>>> >>>> where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon >>>> >>>> Postel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: >>>> >>> +679 998 2851 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio >>>> >> >>>> >> Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio >>>> >> de Janeiro - Brazil >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> - -- >>>> Jac sm Kee >>>> Women's Rights Policy Coordinator >>>> Association for Progressive Communications >>>> www.apc.org | erotics.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net >>>> Skype: jhybeturle | Twitter: jhybe >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Univ.-Ass. Mag. iur. Matthias C. Kettemann, LL.M. (Harvard) >>> >>> Institut für Völkerrecht und Internationale Beziehungen >>> Karl-Franzens-Universität Graz >>> >>> Universitätsstraße 15/A4, 8010 Graz, Österreich >>> >>> T | +43 316 380 6711 (Büro) >>> M | +43 676 701 7175 (mobil) >>> F | +43 316 380 9455 >>> E | matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at >>> Blog | internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mag. iur. Matthias C. Kettemann, LL.M. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:17:18 +1200 Subject: [governance] Facebook profiles blocked and content removed in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <21B81E06-CC98-493D-A594-4E64F4F4F46C@privaterra.org> <4FC65B85.7040307@cafonso.ca> <4FC6FE88.3030809@apcwomen.org> <4FC721EE.5020209@uni-graz.at> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Although I have a legal background, I allow myself to question law and to > argue beyond law, based on social and political implications they entail. > Quoting a bad law does not make it good. > Do you mean to say that Article 19 of the ICCPR is bad law? or do you mean to say that the abuse of the exceptions whereby bad/oppressive laws created to stifle freedom of expression? I agree that the abuse of the exception has to be addressed but it cannot be done in a day. It requires deliberate and strategic advocacy and outreach. If you count the number of States that are churning out laws that on one view abuse the "exceptions", there has to be a way to educate without alienating. My personal take on it is that people need to go back to the preamble of the ICCPR in interpreting whether a law has abused to see if that law contributes to "freedom, justice and peace in the world". If one looks at the Laws churned out in Turkey, Thailand etc, they are borne out of the premise of "fear, power and control". Even what one considers to be democratic societies today had to journey into empowering its people. Argentina is a classic example. It is accepted by Argentine society that anyone can speak freely without fear of being attacked, kidnapped or assasinated but as a society, even they had to evolve. > I will not follow laws uncritically, especially if this “law” we are > talking about is actually a contract that I cannot negotiate with the other > party. > Unfortunately unilateral contracts are a reality eg. Mortgage or Security Documents from Banks and ToS such as the one from Facebook, Paypal and Amazon. This is why there is an assumption that the Security Regulators or whoever is regulating that space will ensure that there is "fair play", this is one of the reasons why Regulators and regulations exist. > Moreover, the validity of contracts and their adjustment to the social > reality should always be assessed under public values. > > > > Consumer’s rights laws have a well established understanding about > contracts that one side cannot modify (we call them “contratos de adesão” > in Portuguese, I don’t know how to name them in English). They entail a > juridical asymmetry: there is one part that controls the terms and there is > another party that does not have any say about the terms. They bring about > abuses by their own nature because they hamper the ability to negotiate or > to raise issues of interpretation. > In these instance, the contract entails the provision of services and where there are arbitrary provisions against the individual consumer or consumers there is alot of consumer protection law around to enable the party to seek redress. Again, I am limiting the discussion to "FoX" because that is the initial thread. The consumer in this instance does have the right to freely express himself but within the "boundaries". Since Facebook is registered and incorporated in California, a Petition by alot of protesters directed to the regulator may get you some traction. On the other hand for those who detest having the US rule for them on matters such as the Internet ecosystem, the European regulators have proven time and time again that they can enforce their laws on the likes of Facebook or Google for that matter. > For instance, I would like to argue with Facebook what they mean when they > ban nudity. Can I post pictures from Rio de Janeiro carnival? Can I post a > cartoon with a nude character? (the list would go on) But Facebook does not > allow me to do that. I need to give them a blank check: nude is whatever FB > decides nudity is. > > > I think you will enjoy the debates which have been around for more than 50 years on what is obscene or not and take the US for example (I am only using US because Facebook is incorporated in California), the Department of Justice's Prosecution Arm for Obscene Publications uses the Tests from the Supreme Court to define what is "obscene". Since I have posted details of this already, I will not repeat it here. > Why am I in FB and "agreed" with this terms of use? Very prosaic > explanation. > Unfortunately, this is the dominant platform for online communication in my > country. My family and friends, who live in far away cities, post their > lives in FB. Not being in FB is missing a big part of their lives; is > losing the chance of following their day-to-day. It means loss of emotional > ties to me. And, since FB is becoming a platform for general communication, > political protests, and so on, it would mean a handicap in my ability to > socially engage and make my views heard. So, do I have an option? Sure, but > the cost of this option is becoming higher everyday. Too high for me to > call this a real “option”. The suggestion to create a parallel FB if people > are not happy with the current one seems so out of the reality of an > average user that I will not make comments about it. > Alternatives include Bebo, Tagged, Wayne, Google Plus etc etc. I will wait to see studies that show that Facebook holds the monopoly on Social Networks over the Internet? > > > Matthias has put this argument better than I could ever do it, so I quote: > > > > “as soon as social network providers are so successful that their networks > are a "quasi-public sphere" they lose, it can be argued, the right to use > terms of service to limit international standards of freedom of expression. > The more successful and public a service is, the fewer restrictions may be > allowed”. > Mathias points out that it can be argued and the converse is true. The minute you use that argument you open a gateway for all kinds of "actions" and countries must first agree to accept these standards. I don't see countries readily agreeing to this as the alternative argument, is that the standard already exists in the form of the ICCPR specifically Article 19. > > > I certainly know that FB is one channel among others to fight for (yes, I > think we need to *fight*) respect for women, for sexual and reproductive > rights and to curb violence. I have been involved with gender issues for > many years. But FB is an increasingly important channel with an impact on > the off-line world. For example: when slut walk took place during the > weekend, no one argued about the images of it being displayed anywhere > (newspapers, TV). Now, thanks to FB censuring them and banning profiles, > the conservative forces in my country that are against woman’s liberties > (including religious movements) have found the space they wanted to start a > hypocritical crusade against these images. If we ban the slut walk from the > media, we certainly will have to ban carnival. But no one ever complained > about carnival. Interesting. Women’s bodies can be depicted when the are > objects of lust, not when they are subjects… So, if progressive forces > do not act quickly, this can lead to a setback, especially because we are > in a crucial moment of our regulatory path. > I did not say anything about banning the "march" or "carnival", I was merely confining my analysis and views to "facebook" and its actions in this instance and trying to understand why it may have acted the way it did. > > > I am totally in favor of achieving "harmony" on this and other topics. But > this is a crossborder issue that involves private forces and public > interest. Tell me the place where we can globally tackle this issue, all > together, in a multistakeholder fashion and I will be the first to attend > and try to contribute so that “harmony” can come about. But first we > probably need to fight for such a space to exist. > It already exists under the auspices of the UN Human Rights Council and Freedom of Expression made the Agenda this year thanks to the Government of Sweden and the after swell of the Arab Spring etc... What was disappointing for me was that there was not much time spent on discussing the abuse of the exception of Article 19 of the ICCPR. > > > Best, > > Marília > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >> >>> Matthias, very interesting message, I very much agree. Thanks for the >>> reference of the article. >>> >>> Norbert:im my mind there is no question that whatever freedom of >>> expression issues there may be with nudity restrictions on Facebook, >>> the issue of webmaster liability is a freedom of expression problem of >>> a much more serious kind. >>> >>> MM: Norbert, I agree with you on the importance of liability. Clear and >>> reduced liability of intermediaries is something we are trying to push with >>> the Brazilian Civil Rights Framework, to avoid the chilling effect. The >>> battle will take place in Congress soon. But, on the other hand, I think we >>> cannot minimize the importance of the parameters of "good behavior" set by >>> these global platforms, such as FB. I have a younger sister, and it amazes >>> me how the Internet for younger generations is restricted to platforms like >>> FB and apps. They carry content to these platforms in a way that they are >>> the ones to intermediate digital reality for them. I think that rules >>> established on ToRs are able to influence and modulate, very subtly, >>> cultural ideas, such as the idea of morality. And the importance of this >>> cannot be underestimated and it justifies the discussion of this topic, as >>> much as the topic of intermediaries. >>> >>> >> >>> Sala: What if facebook was merely trying to comply with US laws and >>> other countries laws that expressly prohibit obscenity. >>> >>> MM: Sala, you are taking a commercial/juridical stance. I am taking a >>> political stance. >>> >> >> Sala: I raised this question to highlight that Facebook exist in an >> ecosystem where their actions are affected by third party influences or >> regulatory influences. Some would argue that there are diverse influences >> that drive political agenda whether civil society driven, or commercially >> driven. It is generally accepted in most democratic countries that laws >> merely reflect the pulse of the people. The exception of course is >> countries that have illegitimate governments such as those that have been >> usurped through Coup D' Etats and tyranny. >> >> >>> Two points. First, I do not think that is up to FB to give concreteness >>> to a notion of nudity or obscenity. >>> >> >> Sala: I think we need to re-visit the Terms of Service [ see: >> http://www.facebook.com/legal/terms]. When people sign up, they sign up >> knowing what is permitted and not permitted and have the "Free will" to >> disengage. >> I have copied a section from their Terms of Service,see below: >> >> *3. Safety* >> >> We do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need >> your help to do that, which includes the following commitments: >> >> 1. You will not send or otherwise post unauthorized commercial >> communications (such as spam) on Facebook. >> 2. You will not collect users' content or information, or otherwise >> access Facebook, using automated means (such as harvesting bots, robots, >> spiders, or scrapers) without our permission. >> 3. You will not engage in unlawful multi-level marketing, such as a >> pyramid scheme, on Facebook. >> 4. You will not upload viruses or other malicious code. >> 5. You will not solicit login information or access an account >> belonging to someone else. >> 6. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. >> 7. You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or >> pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous >> violence. >> 8. You will not develop or operate a third-party application >> containing alcohol-related or other mature content (including >> advertisements) without appropriate age-based restrictions. >> 9. You will follow our Promotions Guidelines and >> all applicable laws if you publicize or offer any contest, giveaway, or >> sweepstakes (“promotion”) on Facebook. >> 10. You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, >> malicious, or discriminatory. >> 11. You will not do anything that could disable, overburden, or >> impair the proper working of Facebook, such as a denial of service attack. >> 12. You will not facilitate or encourage any violations of this >> Statement. >> >> >> >>> This is a very complicated debate, of public interest, that cannot be >>> carried out by the board of company alone, whose role is, naturally, to >>> maximize profit and minimize risks. >>> >> Sala: The point is to see if there is any logic. If we moved away from >> the online world and consider organizations and clubs who impose rules on >> their members, is it reasonable to expect a certain type of rule or code >> imposed on those who willingly choose to subscribe. How different should it >> be for an ordinary entity in the ecosystem. There are many other social >> networks aside from Facebook that one can go to if one does not like the >> rules. On the other hand, we see how European Privacy Regulators have >> effectively intervened where Facebook has violated some of these rights. >> >> >> >>> Second, I personally do not care to which country law they are complying >>> with. >>> >> >> Sala: I understand but when an assertion is made that just because >> Facebook is a private company it exists to derive a profit at the expense >> of public interest, is on one view misleading if one does not show the >> holistic picture of what may be causing them to behave in a certain >> fashion. >> >>> My point is that they are enforcing a FB policy norm that does not echo >>> laws and common sense in Brazil and this interpretation is going against >>> the fight of feminist movements and movements fighting for sexual rights >>> here. >>> >> Sala: I suppose this is how inventions, innovations are birthed. When one >> is dissatisfied with the status quo or with what currently exists and >> dreams of a better way. This is where you can start an alternative social >> network and create your own rules. As someone who is also an advocate >> against violence against women and children, I do not see any correlation >> to the advocacy work. There are more "concrete" ways to lodge the battle >> against violence from a National Framework perspective such as >> strengthening and making consistent sources of statistics, improving access >> to justice delivery systems having robust community intake centers, >> ensuring that governments prioritize and allocate finances etc. I was very >> impressed with how the District Superior Courts in Washington D.C after >> analysing statistics and noting that the incidence of violence seemed to be >> coming from the SE Quadrant came up with the idea to establish a Community >> Intake Center and Satellite technology where victims could access a Judge >> for emergency protection orders. [See:United Medical Center >> 1328 Southern Avenue, SE, Suite 311,Washington, DC]. If we examine what >> occurred in Toronto that sparked the entire "March", it was the comments of >> a Police Officer which imputes a certain level of "insensitivity". Police >> Insensitivity is a global phenomenon and even New York had its share and >> sadly recently in Colorado, Jessica Gonzalez lost her children because the >> Police did not effect a restraining order. She took State to Court and it >> reached the Supreme Court and although they ruled against her, she won her >> matter when they took it to the Inter American Commission on Human Rights >> where the Commission said that the United States had a responsibility to >> Jessica. >> >> We already have our internal disputes with conservative movements, as was >>> pointed out by Jac, when he mentioned the Azeredo Bill. We do not need this >>> external push from FB giving a restrictive interpretation of what is >>> obscene and what is moral. >>> >> Sala: I respect your perspective even if I disagree. >> >> >>> It just reinforces the conservative forces we are trying to fight. >>> >> >> Sala: Why fight, when we can live in harmony? Everything has a place. The >> quiet stream in the middle of the rainforest and the loud volcano erupting >> are all part of one big ecosystem. >> >>> So, FB juridical compliance with some country's law is translating into >>> a political setback here. >>> >>> Sala: I respectfully disagree. >> >> Of course, more countries with a more conservative approach to sexual >>> rights could argue the opposite, that FB disrespects local moral standards. >>> What is the solution? It can't be one size fits all, otherwise we will only >>> see ankles of women in FB. >>> >> >> Sala: No one ever said that we should only see the ankles of women on FB. >> What we should be discussing is how to tackle the abuse of the exception >> under Article 19 of the ICCPR. >> >> >>> Fragmentation on service in each jurisdiction? I don't think this should >>> be the way... But I think that, definitely, this should be a theme for >>> global discussion. >>> >>> Badouin, thanks! I appreciate. We will keep in touch. >>> >>> Best, >>> Marília >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann < >>> matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all >>>> >>>> since Facebook's "Abuse Standards" were leaked in February we know >>>> according to which policies Facebook policies content. I've summed at the >>>> discussion here: >>>> http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com/2012/02/where-humor-overrules-hate-speech-and.html. >>>> >>>> >>>> There are a number of issues involved. One is that prima facie and in >>>> purely legal terms a social networking company can choose to censor certain >>>> content, if its users have agreed to submitting to this censorship, as part >>>> of the terms of service to which they submit to when creating an account. >>>> >>>> But there are limits to this: A company cannot engage in arbitrary >>>> censorship. Further, as soon as social network providers are so successful >>>> that their networks are a "quasi-public sphere" they lose, it can be >>>> argued, the right to use terms of service to limit international standards >>>> of freedom of expression. The more successful and public a service is, the >>>> fewer restrictions may be allowed. >>>> >>>> As I've heard pointed out, Facebook pursues something of a 'college >>>> morality'. Sex is bad, but violence is ok. The "Abuse Standards" bear this >>>> out. >>>> >>>> Back in February I wrote in my blog: >>>> >>>> "Among pictures which are not allowed, we find those showing "Any >>>> OBVIOUS sexual activity [...] Cartoons/art included".Users are also not >>>> allowed to "describe sexual activity in writing, except when an attempt at >>>> humor or insult." >>>> >>>> "Digital/cartoon nudity" is not ok, but "Art nudity" is fine. People >>>> “using the bathroom” are not allowed, neither are "[b]latant (obvious) >>>> depiction of camel toes and moose knuckles". >>>> >>>> Facebook also bans "[s]lurs or racial comments of any kind", hate >>>> symbols and "showing support for organizations and people primarily known >>>> for violence." But the Guidelines caution that "[h]umor overrules hate >>>> speech UNLESS slur words are present or the humor is not evident." >>>> >>>> Since the importance of Facebook as an international forum of >>>> aggregation and articulation of ideas is growing, the leaked document >>>> amount to what it believes should be an international moral consenus on >>>> allowed content. This would be problematic as the document is not free of >>>> bias and should be vetted more carefully against international law on >>>> freedom of expression. With regard to the generally excepted exceptions >>>> from freedom of expression, however, most of the standards pass muster. >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Content violative of human rights of others will always exist. Social >>>> network providers are obliged to protect their users from that content but >>>> at the same time must ensure that they do not infringe freedom of >>>> expression unnecessarily. >>>> >>>> What Facebook should now do is officially publish the Abuse Standards, >>>> clarify the moderation process, and start a vigorous debate among its users >>>> on the international standards of freedom of expression." **** >>>> >>>> For more, see >>>> >>>> http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com/2012/02/where-humor-overrules-hate-speech-and.html >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 31.05.2012 09:01, schrieb Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jac sm Kee wrote: >>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> hi all, >>>>> >>>>> a glimpse into how FB implements its censorship policies in practice: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/22/low-wage-facebook-contractor-leaks-secret-censorship-list/ >>>>> >>>>> In those countries, the people make their laws through the >>>>> > parliament and one can say that they are legitimately exercising >>>>> > their sovereign right to determine what is "acceptable" versus what >>>>> > is "not acceptable" - do we then dare say that they are wrong. >>>>> > Every country has the sovereign right and the people therein the >>>>> > sovereign right to determine for themselves what is "public >>>>> > morality". >>>>> actually, the state's duties to protect public morality is precisely >>>>> what provides legitimate cause of governments to intervene and create >>>>> more laws around censorship of the internet - and this needs a closer >>>>> and more critical analysis than accepting as is. e.g. in brazil, the >>>>> problematic azeredo bill was first pushed under economic arguments >>>>> (preventing financial fraud) - didn't work. but when it was pushed >>>>> under child protection arguments, it almost went through without a >>>>> hiccup and galvanised a lot of support (which also resulted in a huge >>>>> protests - but different story). >>>>> >>>>> There are two opposing schools of thought and maybe more, one holds >>>> the view that what is true in the real world must hold true in the virtual >>>> world. Paraphrasing that would mean that laws that are applicable in real >>>> time should be applicable in the internet. The other believes that there >>>> should be separate laws in real life and separate laws for the Internet. >>>> Every event/transaction has to be analysed according to its own merits so >>>> that the danger of painting everyone with the same brush is reduced. >>>> >>>> >>>>> pornography is another obvious one, but then what does this constitute >>>>> and how is it defined can be a problem - as can be seen the FB >>>>> scenario. not the first time they have come across problems, e.g. they >>>>> are notorious for blocking photographs of women breastfeeding. compare >>>>> this against e.g. time magazine's recent controversial cover of a >>>>> woman breastfeeding, which is okay under US laws - so, lowest common >>>>> denominator internationally? >>>> >>>> This, I would respectfully submit is not the correct test.What is >>>> culturally acceptable in Miami, Florida, US is not the same as in Qatar, >>>> Malaysia etc. To dictate to them what their public morality won't buy us >>>> any ground as far as advocacy for freedom of expression is concerned and >>>> only serves to alienate without educating and giving them an opportunity to >>>> learn and grow. See the tests that the US Supreme court used in the Miller >>>> case. >>>> >>>> >>>>> this would mean anything less than e.g. >>>>> fully closed face and ankles and wrists would be unacceptable. that >>>>> doesn't quite make sense either. >>>>> >>>>> That was never said. For the record, the discussions have been about >>>> namely the following:- >>>> >>>> 1. Is the right of freedom of expression an absolute right? Is it >>>> an unfettered right? >>>> 2. Does the right of freedom of expression come with >>>> responsibilities? >>>> 3. Who should be responsible when it comes to the Internet? >>>> 4. Are there exceptions under International law? >>>> 5. What are those exceptions? >>>> 6. Are there instances where the exceptions have been abused? >>>> 7. How can civil society advocate responsibly? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> apc has been doing a research on examining how internet regulation >>>>> and >>>>> regulation of sexuality goes hand-in-hand, and it's thrown up some >>>>> interesting points. from e.g. international aid for infrastructure >>>>> that comes encumbered with policy requirements and setting national >>>>> agendas on e.g. the issue of child pornography, to the contentious >>>>> geopolitical negotiations around sexual speech, health, rights and >>>>> citizenship. more info: http://erotics.apc.org >>>>> >>>>> i've also been reading the conversations around EC and democratization >>>>> of IG on this list with interest. and the thing that bugs me about >>>>> looking at democratization starting from national democratic processes >>>>> is that the potential of the internet to facilitate democratic >>>>> participation and deliberations is precisely because it is currently >>>>> still somewhat slippery from complete state control, as opposed to >>>>> e.g. broadcasting media and books and streets. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that when making a broad assertion that you give specific >>>> examples so that there can be discussion and debate. >>>> >>>>> so i am reluctant to >>>>> say that states should ahve oversight and negotiate it from there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There is some misunderstanding. In any sovereign jurisdiction, civil >>>> society, private sector and the state each have their place. The foundation >>>> of multistakeholderism stems from the basic notion that the governments, >>>> private sector and civil society have clear functions. What is enhanced >>>> cooperation domestically within a nation and what does it look like outside >>>> the country? What should it look like? >>>> >>>> although i understand that global governance and oversight is >>>>> different from national, but when states become the highest hierarchy >>>>> of authority, then my point of entry for engagement as civ soc would >>>>> be from that level. it's not something i am optimistic about.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> anyway, 2 cents, >>>>> jac >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > What FB is doing will potentially impact the way that younger >>>>> > generations >>>>> >> will perceive liberty (including body expression and sexual >>>>> >> liberty) and morality. And, in my country, FB is actually being >>>>> >> more conservative than traditional media, endangering the >>>>> >> progress we made on recent decades when it comes to body >>>>> >> expression women's rights and sexual rights. >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Is it facebook that is being conservative? Afterall, they are >>>>> >> merely trying to comply with the laws of the land. I think that >>>>> >> if people have an issue, they should take it up with their >>>>> >> respective Parliaments and have it debated. These comments are >>>>> >> restricted to the "Freedom of Expression" but when it comes to >>>>> >> "Privacy" and "misuse" of information and data - I have different >>>>> >> views. >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> I do not feel comfortable to place this sort of decision on FB's >>>>> >> hands, with no chance of democratic debate, with no chance to >>>>> >> scrutinize these policies they impinge on users. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> These are good discussions and Turkey and Thailand and the US >>>>> >> make >>>>> > fascinating studies. >>>>> > >>>>> >> Best, Marília >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some basic conclusions: a) rights, such as freedom of >>>>> >>>>> expression, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Why would one who uses FB think they can express themselves >>>>> >>>> outside of the FB ToS/AUP? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> are being >>>>> >>>>> restricted by the same platforms that are praised and known >>>>> >>>>> for >>>>> >>>> enabling >>>>> >>>>> their exercise; b) there is a privatization of Internet >>>>> >>>>> regulation, >>>>> >>>> subtle, >>>>> >>>>> based on contracts (terms of use) >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Would you argue that Internet companies have NO ToS? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> , but yet, dangerous; c) I see no adequate >>>>> >>>>> forum where we should take this issue to be analized in a >>>>> >>>> participatory and >>>>> >>>>> balanced way in the global arena. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Nor should there be IMHO. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- Cheers, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates >>>>> >>>> where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon >>>>> >>>> Postel >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: >>>>> >>> +679 998 2851 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio >>>>> >> de Janeiro - Brazil >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> - -- >>>>> Jac sm Kee >>>>> Women's Rights Policy Coordinator >>>>> Association for Progressive Communications >>>>> www.apc.org | erotics.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net >>>>> Skype: jhybeturle | Twitter: jhybe >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>> >>>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Univ.-Ass. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Thu May 31 18:25:24 2012 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Facebook profiles blocked and content removed in Brazil In-Reply-To: (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com) References: <21B81E06-CC98-493D-A594-4E64F4F4F46C@privaterra.org> <4FC65B85.7040307@cafonso.ca> <4FC6FE88.3030809@apcwomen.org> <4FC721EE.5020209@uni-graz.at> Message-ID: <20120531222524.45A641F5A@quill.bollow.ch> Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > This is a very complicated debate, of public interest, that cannot be > > carried out by the board of company alone, whose role is, naturally, to > > maximize profit and minimize risks. > > Sala: The point is to see if there is any logic. If we moved away from the > online world and consider organizations and clubs who impose rules on their > members, is it reasonable to expect a certain type of rule or code imposed > on those who willingly choose to subscribe. How different should it be for > an ordinary entity in the ecosystem. There are many other social networks > aside from Facebook that one can go to if one does not like the rules. If the people with whom I wish to communicate use Facebook, the existence of any number of other social network sites is irrelevant. Even if I had the ability to create a social network site of my own with the same features as Facebook, that would change nothing, since there will always be only one "social network" site where "everyone" is. By contrast, if I don't like the dress code rules of a club that I would otherwise wish to join, I can, with a reasonable hope of success, start a new club with different dress code rules. So I would definitely assert that Facebook Inc has a dangerously massive amount of power, which is not effectively mitigated by the fact that people choose to subscribe or not - and even registered users of Facebook have the choice to actively use it or not. (I have a facebook account and some "facebook friends" just for the purpose of making it more difficult for anyone else to register in my name and impersonate me; for reasons unrelated to the present discussion I do not actively use facebook otherwise.) However, as long as Facebook Inc is only restricting the kinds of pictures that users may *post* on facebook, but not what pictures may be posted on other sites that facebook users may then link to, then it doesn't seem to me that Facebook Inc's massive amount of power is actually being (ab)used here. In fact I suspect that this spat might quite by itself, without any kind of explicit Internet governance action, have a positive educational effect in educating people that the Internet is bigger than facebook. > > What is the solution? It can't be one size fits all, otherwise we will only > > see ankles of women in FB. > > Sala: No one ever said that we should only see the ankles of women on FB. > What we should be discussing is how to tackle the abuse of the exception > under Article 19 of the ICCPR. What avenues of potential action regarding this are available to us currently? What further avenues of action to address such an issue could potentially in addition become available through a good implementation of Enhanced Cooperation? Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu May 31 22:25:23 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:25:23 -0400 Subject: [governance] U.N. takeover of the Internet must be stopped, U.S. warns Message-ID: U.N. takeover of the Internet must be stopped, U.S. warns A U.N. summit later this year in Dubai could lead to a new international regime of censorship, taxes, and surveillance, warn Democrats, Republicans, the Internet Society, and father of the Internet Vint Cerf. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57444629-83/u.n-takeover-of-the-internet-mu st-be-stopped-u.s-warns/?tag=nl.e703 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Thu May 31 22:56:12 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:56:12 -0300 Subject: [governance] U.N. takeover of the Internet must be stopped, U.S. warns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Regardless of the clear problems that underlay ITU process, it is always amazing how this issue always comes down to good govs X bad govs, with the US government playing the benevolent hero and the protector of liberties. Their own regulatory initiatives, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA say otherwise... Moreover, if dialogue is to be established, it is important to recognize the obvious: a) there is no way to justify US privilege position with ICANN. That needs to be changed; b) there are global issues being discussed by small groups of actors. That needs to be changed. By admitting that we would be clearing the ground for a possible dialogue. How can we improve governance without disturbing the functioning of the Internet and how we can include actors that need to be included, governments and other stakeholders? Marília On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:25 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > U.N. takeover of the Internet must be stopped, U.S. warns > > A U.N. summit later this year in Dubai could lead to a new international > regime of censorship, taxes, and surveillance, warn Democrats, Republicans, > the Internet Society, and father of the Internet Vint Cerf. > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57444629-83/u.n-takeover-of-the-internet-mu > st-be-stopped-u.s-warns/?tag=nl.e703 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you just explain a little further why you believe we should not separate CIR and non-CIR? I think that a neat separation would bring more clarity to the debate. It would be great if we could refine this proposal and define a concrete way forward. Marília On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > parminder wrote: > > > I think there are two key sides of the EC issue - (1) on tech gov side, > > the current unilateral oversight of CIRs is the main issue, and some > > concerns about capture of tech standards bodies an additional issue (2) > > on the side of social, eco, cultural policies pertaining to the > > Internet, with global significance, the kind of work OECD's Committee on > > ICCP does is the main focus, along with other instances of uni- and > > pluri-lateralism, and also increasing dominance of private regulation.... > > I agree that it is important to keep these two aspects in mind, and to > be careful to avoid misunderstandings where some of the participants > in a conversation are thinking about only one of these aspects and other > participants are thinking only about the other of these aspects. > > But I don't think that it is a good idea to structure any discussion of > Enhanced Cooperation into first addressing one of these aspects and > then addressing the other aspect. > > > If anyone want to suggest some other schema, sure, it is most welcome. > > How about the following? > > 1. Building a shared understanding of the set of problems for which > Enhanced Cooperation should provide better solutions > > (a) What is unacceptable / intolerable in the status quo of > existing Internet governance institutions and processes? > > (b) What are the problems for which the existing Internet > governance institutions and processes have failed to > deliver adequate solutions? > > (c) What are the areas in which copperation of countries on > a smaller than global level (e.g. regional coopration or > cooperation of countries facing similar economic challenges) > might be productive? > > 2. Building a shared understanding of what makes these problems > difficult > > (a) What has prevented adequate solutions for these problems > from emerging before now? > > (b) Documentation of the solution attempts that have been > undertaken so far. > > 3. Proposals of principles, institutional mechanisms and processes > for Enhanced Cooperation > > (a) What are the proposals? > > (b) In what ways will these propasals, if implemented, improve > the situation? > > > But we must first develop a basic level of agreement on categories and > > key issue areas for discussion before we try to seek substantive > > convergences on the way forward, solutions, appropriate institutional > > models etc. > > There is a lot of truth in this, yes, but on the other hand there > isn't going to be a lot of motivation for working towards agreement > on categories and key issue areas for discussion before there is a > vision, a living hope that it will indeed be possible to achieve > something worthwhile under the theme of "Enhanced Cooperation". > > I have this hope now, while before I had this, I didn't have much > interest in participating in a debate on the fundamentals for this. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/06/2012, at 12:25 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > U.N. takeover of the Internet must be stopped, U.S. warns > > A U.N. summit later this year in Dubai could lead to a new international > regime of censorship, taxes, and surveillance, warn Democrats, Republicans, > the Internet Society, and father of the Internet Vint Cerf. > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57444629-83/u.n-takeover-of-the-internet-mu > st-be-stopped-u.s-warns/?tag=nl.e703 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4F9F0911.2010700@nupef.org.br> References: <4C024C87-2999-42E7-943C-C3D201133A45@ella.com> <4F9EE7C5.5030702@eff.org> <4F9F0911.2010700@nupef.org.br> Message-ID: Sorry to miss you, Graciela, but this is only one meeting out of many there. izumi 2012/5/1 Graciela Selaimen : > Dear all, > > Unfortunately, due to previously scheduled commitments, I won't be able to > be in Geneve for the MAG meeting. > > best regards, > Graciela Selaimen > Instituto Nupef > > Em 4/30/12 4:28 PM, Katitza Rodriguez escreveu: > >> I'll there from Saturday 12 until Friday 18. >> >> On 4/30/12 3:25 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> i will be there and all things equal will attend the meeting. >>> >>> avri >>> >>> On 26 Apr 2012, at 20:30, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder how many from us are coming to Geneva for WSIS week and also >>>> IGF >>>> MAG open consultation and also the Enhanced Cooperation workshop >>>> on May 18. >>>> >>>> I like to propose a meeting in the afternoon on May 14, to prepare >>>> for the MAG meeting >>>> >>>> Could you please indicate here if you are coming to Geneva that time, >>>> when to arrive and also if able to attend this prep meeting on May 14, >>>> Monday. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Graciela Selaimen > Instituto Nupef > www.nupef.org.br > www.politics.org.br > www.rets.org.br > www.tiwa.org.br > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Tue May 1 02:07:53 2012 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:07:53 +0900 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: Dear Vlada and all, As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to 1800-1930 ish? As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a kind of compromise. And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. izumi Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : > Izumi, > > > > latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should arrive to > Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join you (at least > for a part of the meeting and dinner). > > > > Best! > > > >                 Vlada > > > > > > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Qusai AlShatti > Sent: 28 April 2012 12:31 > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU > Subject: Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? > > > > Dear Izumi & all: > > I will be there too. Thank you for the effort to arrange this meeting. I > would kindly request to shift the meeting time from 16:00-18:00 to > 18:00-20:00. I am requesting this because there is a session about > Partnership on measuring ICT for development which will take place between > 14:45 - 18:00 and I am planning to attend it. > > > > Beside if we end the meeting on 20:00, it will be more suitable time for > dinner. If the place is an issue, I will be staying at the Epsom manotel and > we can meet there. It is close to rue Lausanne. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Qusai AlShatti > > > > > On Saturday, April 28, 2012, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Dear all, > Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation kindly agreed to our request for > the meeting room. > So we will have a preparatory meeting followed by an optional dinner > at the nearby > restaurant. > > Time/Date: 16:00 - 18:00      Monday, May 14, > Venue: DiploFoundation > 56, Rue de Lausanne. Geneva > Phone:+41 22 741 0420 > > Please send your ideas about the topics we like to discuss there. > > izumi > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 1 04:58:05 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> Message-ID: In message <4F9EB51C.2050609 at eff.org>, at 11:51:56 on Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Katitza Rodriguez writes >Another unknown rule for me was the one that was applied to ONI when >they run their workshop in Egypt releasing the finding of their report >about Internet Censorship. Suddenly, an unknown rule was applied to >them without many of us not knowing that this rule exist. Was that the fracas arising from what UN officials allegedly saw as a "commercial" book launch, with commerce being banned from such meetings (although that's a better known rule for people with space in the "Village" than people holding what was reported at the time as a "reception" rather than a "workshop"). -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 1 05:03:46 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:03:46 +0100 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> Message-ID: <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917 at istaff.org>, at 15:52:23 on Mon, 30 Apr 2012, John Curran writes >> The Friday morning program, which in the past has comprised AC/SO >>committee reports, Board committee reports, and the public Board >>meeting, has been removed. Was there any discussion in Costa Rica about moving the first day of the meeting to Sunday (currently it's been ever more creeping into Saturday)? Even if that meant having a Sunday-Friday meeting with the Welcome Ceremony remaining on Monday? -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue May 1 05:54:36 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:54:36 +0800 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> Message-ID: <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> On 01/05/2012, at 4:58 PM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <4F9EB51C.2050609 at eff.org>, at 11:51:56 on Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Katitza Rodriguez writes >> Another unknown rule for me was the one that was applied to ONI when they run their workshop in Egypt releasing the finding of their report about Internet Censorship. Suddenly, an unknown rule was applied to them without many of us not knowing that this rule exist. > > Was that the fracas arising from what UN officials allegedly saw as a "commercial" book launch, with commerce being banned from such meetings (although that's a better known rule for people with space in the "Village" than people holding what was reported at the time as a "reception" rather than a "workshop"). Actually a few ex post facto justifications were proffered to justify the clamp-down on the launch, but the one the Secretariat ran with was that there is a "no posters" rule at the UN. Then the following day, at another book launch, I took a photo of erstwhile IGF Executive Coordinator Markus Kummer happily sipping champagne under a very similar poster. Similar except for the fact that it wasn't about China: http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/markus-kummers-hypocrisy. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy and Project Officer Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Follow @ConsumersInt Like us at www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 1 07:03:04 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:03:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: In message <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A at ciroap.org>, at 17:54:36 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Jeremy Malcolm writes > >Was that the fracas arising from what UN officials allegedly saw as a >"commercial" book launch, with commerce being banned from such meetings >(although that's a better known rule for people with space in the >"Village" than people holding what was reported at the time as a >"reception" rather than a "workshop"). > >Actually a few ex post facto justifications were proffered to justify >the clamp-down on the launch, but the one the Secretariat ran with was >that there is a "no posters" rule at the UN.  Then the following day, >at another book launch, I took a photo of erstwhile IGF Executive >Coordinator Markus Kummer happily sipping champagne under a very >similar poster.  Similar except for the fact that it wasn't about >China: http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/markus-kummers-hypocrisy. Is GISWatch2009 a commercial venture, and displaying a poster outside it's allocated room? I'm trying hard not to take sides here, but to the extent that I think the stated problem was [unapproved] *commercial* banners, and outside the room, what happened in both cases could be consistent with that rule. [Although on site at the time, I missed the excitement at first hand] Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, but attention to details like this can be very important. I recall a discussion which went on for days, and was vitally important to several stakeholders, about whether a particular ITU resolution should mention "members" or "Members" [of the ITU], such is the playing field we work on. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Tue May 1 07:28:46 2012 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 07:28:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: On May 1, 2012, at 5:03 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917 at istaff.org>, at 15:52:23 on Mon, 30 Apr 2012, John Curran writes > >>> The Friday morning program, which in the past has comprised AC/SO >>> committee reports, Board committee reports, and the public Board >>> meeting, has been removed. > > Was there any discussion in Costa Rica about moving the first day of the meeting to Sunday (currently it's been ever more creeping into Saturday)? Even if that meant having a Sunday-Friday meeting with the Welcome Ceremony remaining on Monday? Roland - I have no idea what options were considered, but there was significant talk in the hallways (and also during the open Board/committee report sessions) that revising the format was under discussion. FYI, /John -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 1 09:56:19 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:56:19 +0100 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: In message , at 07:28:46 on Tue, 1 May 2012, John Curran writes >>>> The Friday morning program, which in the past has comprised AC/SO >>>> committee reports, Board committee reports, and the public Board >>>> meeting, has been removed. >> >> Was there any discussion in Costa Rica about moving the first day of the meeting to Sunday (currently it's been ever more creeping into >>Saturday)? Even if that meant having a Sunday-Friday meeting with the Welcome Ceremony remaining on Monday? > >Roland - > > I have no idea what options were considered, No doubt there are some minutes from relevant meetings somewhere on the website. I support change which makes the meeting better, but would have appreciated the opportunity to comment. In this case, reducing the meeting back down to six days is a good thing, it's just "which six days"! As a remote participant to the Costa Rica meeting I was unaware of any of this. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Tue May 1 10:08:32 2012 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:08:32 -0400 Subject: Now called: Compiling guideline points Re: [governance] May consultation: IGC input RP and access In-Reply-To: <4F9E9E29.3050206@diplomacy.edu> References: <4F9E9E29.3050206@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: Speaking particularly to Jovan's mention of 'hubs' - one of the recurring themes in the IGC space is that the IGF is not and should not be considered as a meeting held once a year to discuss internet governance issues. Rather it is a continuing process of dialogue. That being the case, it would be desirable that the hubs should exist within the same context - that is they should be active all the time to extend the internet governance discussion into the global community/communities. The IGF has spread outwards into regional and local IGFs; now perhaps micro-local, geographic community level IG discussion needs to be encouraged, together with the wider ranging community of interest groupings that can be facilitated by the technology. The problems come with how to foster and encourage continuing discussion and how to aggregate and synthesise the resulting ideas so that they can be shared continually and considered by the widest possible community. I seem to have an aptitude for dreaming impossible dreams :-( But it should be possible to make a start by considering the hubs as 'permanent' creations which attempt to keep the discussion active throughout the year with the 'reward' of the camaraderie which can be occasioned by remote participation at the big annual meeting. Ideally the hubs are up and running now and ready to participate. Deirdre On 30 April 2012 10:14, Jovan Kurbalija wrote: > Following up on Adam's invitation to discuss, here are a few comments on > IGF RP.... > > It is good that we are moving out of Parento's formula of having 20% of > investment (people, training) contributing 80% to the success of remote > participation. The CSTD paper is a good blend of summarising experience > over the last 6 years and paving the way for the future development. The RP > process proves the importance of organic and bottom-up policy making. > > Here are a few more concrete comments: > > - One can see cross-fertilisation among different policy spaces. ICANN, > which introduced transcription into the IG policy space, has effective RP. > The WSIS Forum has introduced also highly functional RP. Last week, INET > had both RP and remote hubs. Each policy space has its own specificities, > but there is a lot of possibilities for learning from each other. At the > next WSIS Forum there will be a session on e-participation. Ginger will > maintain the tradition of RP-workshop at the IGF Baku, as well. Diplo has > been trying to promote e-participation in other policy spaces in the > context of the project "20 years of e-diplomacy". The first discussions are > highly encouraging. > > - Since the "venue" problems are identified and will be fixed, the main > challenge will be to have effective local hubs. The key contribution of > e-participation will be in linking global/regional IG debates to the local > policy context. The benefits will flow both ways from global to local > (understanding the wider policy context) and from local to global (having > reality check about policy discussions). Local hubs should be part of the > local policy processes as well. I am sure that Ginger, Marilia, Bernard, > Vlada and other conveyers of local hubs can develop the recommendations for > the sub-section on local hubs. > > - E-facilitation and local hubs are one the ways to engage "silent > majority". The more IGF moves beyond traditional IGF circles, the more > relevant it will be to the world at large. Typically, the e-IGF attracts > the most active people on social media. But, e-facilitators - especially in > local hubs - should engage people beyond the "usual circles". In the > build-up for the IGF, local hubs should facilitate discussion on the most > pressing local issues. > > - We should develop some sort of incentives for local hubs facilitators. > It could be participation in the next IGF for the most successful hubs and > publishing of reports from the local hubs. Last year we ran a pilot course > on e-facilitation. The results were good, and successful participants > received a certificate, which some of them used for e-facilitation in other > policy spaces. This could be also another encouragement. > > I reiterate Ginger's offer of Diplo support if we can help in any way. I > look forward to the continued discussion. > > Regards, Jovan > > > On 4/30/12 3:53 PM, Keisha Taylor wrote: > > Hi All, > > I like the ideas listed below. I think that the inclusion of social media > should be more formally introduced as part of remote participation so that > even if the sessions sometimes do not reach people (for > technical/timezone/bandwidth etc issues), the conversations surrounding the > sessions can reach a much bigger audience even if the actual sessions were > missed. > > I also think that it may be useful to use the IGF to gage opinions or > insight on various issues from not only IGF attendees but from those who > cannot attend. This be through surveys or other lightweight but effective > initiatives. The results of this I think can provide some very interesting > insight. > > Best > > Keisha > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Hello everyone, and thanks for taking this important discussion >> seriously. >> >> Adam Peake suggested we start a formal set of guidelines or input to the >> IGF Remote Participation and Access issues for Baku. >> There have been great suggestions already, which I have compiled below. >> If anything is missing, please let us/me know. I add any additional >> comments, and will put this in a more coherent format before the end of the >> week. >> >> Ginger: Support the DCAD on access issues as RP and access are closely >> linked Deidre says: Avoid conflating the issues >> Have a liason between RP working group or others who are working on RP >> with Bernard or the IGF secretariat, to facilitate coordination of >> volunteer efforts. >> Ask that experienced and new interested MAG members organize to support >> these issues (Katitza? Vlada? others?) >> Add the guidelines and principles from previous IGF workshops. >> >> Anriette Esterhuysen: refer to the report of the CSTD working >> group on IGF improvements: >> >> 2. Enhance measures for broader participation >> >> 42. Remote participation is an integral part of the IGF. While remote >> participation has improved, in particular through remote moderators and >> hubs, there is still room for improvement in the following areas: >> >> (a) The Secretariat should continue to ensure the availability of >> adequate technical and human resources, including remote moderators; >> (b) Chairs and moderators should give remote and on-site participants >> equal recognition and the opportunity to participate; >> >> (c) Low-bandwidth connections to remote participation tools should be >> accommodated; >> >> (d) Linguistic diversity in remote participation should be fostered by >> ensuring that online meeting platforms interface with on-site >> interpretation; >> >> (e) Mechanisms that facilitate remote participation, such as live >> transcripts, should be kept as an integral part of the IGF. Such >> mechanisms are invaluable not only to remote participants, but also to >> non-English-speakers and to people with disabilities, whether they are >> on site or not. >> >> 43. It is important to ensure the accessibility of the IGF’s facilities >> to persons with disabilities. >> >> 44. To improve participation in the IGF of diverse linguistic and >> cultural groups, it is important to expand linguistic diversity >> functions in the work of the IGF. For example, this could be achieved by >> (resources permitting): >> >> (a) Increasing the translation of key documents into United Nations >> official languages; >> >> (b) Exploring the use of simultaneous machine translations based on >> realtime English transcripts; >> >> (c) Encouraging the use of any of the United Nations official languages, >> not only English, as the working language in some workshops. >> >> 3. Improve the online visibility and accessibility of the IGF >> >> 45. A first step in this direction should be to enhance the IGF’s >> website by providing interactive functionalities and making it more >> attractive and inclusive. It should also maintain its conformance with >> open standards and further improve accessibility to persons with >> disabilities. >> >> http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/a67d65_en.pdf >> Deirdre William: identify and train moderators, consider some kind of >> recognition for volunteers >> Nnenna: Avoid last minute changes in programming, and consider how they >> affect in situ and RP when necessary >> Janna Anderson: Good lighting in the room helps RP images - Roland >> Perry: have to manage ppt/presentations in lighting as well. >> Tim Davies: Add social aggregator tool >> >> >> On 30 April 2012 08:18, Roland Perry wrote: >> >>> In message >> xfWm80Q at mail.gmail.com>, at 08:24:44 on Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Deirdre >>> Williams writes >>> >>>> I also think that we should look at RP the other way round too. >>>> Currently it isn't possible to make not being physically present the same >>>> as being physically present. Therefore we at least should be clear about >>>> what are MUST HAVES and what may come later. >>>> >>>> Also I think it is vital NOT TO conflate RP with access for people with >>>> disabilities. They are both separate and important issues, and both of them >>>> deserve individual attention >>>> >>> >>> My point is that the same solution is equally useful to either >>> community. I wasn't making a judgement about which community >>> "deserved" the solution more than the other. >>> -- >>> Roland Perry >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > **** > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 1 12:31:17 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:31:17 +0100 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com> References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com> Message-ID: <0amUkUPV$AoPFAQh@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com>, at 10:18:17 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Michael D. Palage writes >I am also for increased efficiency , but the concern is about a growing lack >of transparency. Do you know how many ICANN Board meetings took place in >Costa Rica. You may be surprised to learn four. Two on March 14th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-2-14mar12-en.htm >) and >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-14mar12-en.htm) >, one on March 15th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-15mar12-en.htm) >and the ten minute joke of a meeting on March 16th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-16mar12-en.htm) > >How many people on this list would have liked to have had some insight on >the Board discussion regarding conflicts of interest and the selection of >new gTLD providers? > >If the ICANN Board wants to meet in private fine, however, in such >circumstances transcripts for all Board meetings should be made available >within 72 hours that should allow ICANN's army of attorneys to redact any >sensitive information from the transcript. > >Thoughts comments? It seems to me to be more transparent to publish a series of closely consecutive board meetings than to indulge in what appeared to me, when I first started attending ICANN meetings, a convenient fiction that the Friday session was the first time that week the board had got together to discuss the issues. When you need to publish the minutes is a separate issue from the one of "when/where are the real meetings". -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From judyokite at gmail.com Tue May 1 12:34:08 2012 From: judyokite at gmail.com (Judy Okite) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:34:08 +0300 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: Please accept my apologies, I will be in Geneva, but my flight arrives after 18:00hrs on the 14th. Kind Regards, *“Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly impossible” Edwin Land* On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear Vlada and all, > > As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting > time to 1800-1930 ish? > rs. > > As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, > but we don't want to run late either especially for the late comers > thus it is a kind of compromise. > > And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. > > izumi > > > > Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. > > > > > 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : > > Izumi, > > > > > > > > latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should arrive > to > > Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join you (at least > > for a part of the meeting and dinner). > > > > > > > > Best! > > > > > > > > Vlada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Qusai > AlShatti > > Sent: 28 April 2012 12:31 > > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU > > Subject: Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? > > > > > > > > Dear Izumi & all: > > > > I will be there too. Thank you for the effort to arrange this meeting. I > > would kindly request to shift the meeting time from 16:00-18:00 to > > 18:00-20:00. I am requesting this because there is a session about > > Partnership on measuring ICT for development which will take place > between > > 14:45 - 18:00 and I am planning to attend it. > > > > > > > > Beside if we end the meeting on 20:00, it will be more suitable time for > > dinner. If the place is an issue, I will be staying at the Epsom manotel > and > > we can meet there. It is close to rue Lausanne. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Qusai AlShatti > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 28, 2012, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation kindly agreed to our request for > > the meeting room. > > So we will have a preparatory meeting followed by an optional dinner > > at the nearby > > restaurant. > > > > Time/Date: 16:00 - 18:00 Monday, May 14, > > Venue: DiploFoundation > > 56, Rue de Lausanne. Geneva > > Phone:+41 22 741 0420 > > > > Please send your ideas about the topics we like to discuss there. > > > > izumi > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm Tue May 1 13:34:03 2012 From: carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm (SAMUELS,Carlton A) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:34:03 -0500 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: <0amUkUPV$AoPFAQh@internetpolicyagency.com> References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com>,<0amUkUPV$AoPFAQh@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: <39D05A5FD7C1334DA749CCFCE8538F872585D174EB@xchg1.uwimona.edu.jm> Here's my response to the announcement on an ICANN list: - Carlton Samuels ==================================================== I'm sure I may be in the minority to bemoan the passing of the usual 'public' Friday morning ICANN Board meeting. Let us be clear I'm not just hopped off the truck here. I'm familiar enough with these matters to recognize it for what it is principally intended; theatre. But in the ICANN context, even crafted theatre has its role. First, I truly believe that for a claimed multistakeholder organisation and while the 'public' board meeting may not have been all it could be, it was an important indicator or attribute of the MSM, especially having regard the global public interest. Secondly, even if the votes are already taken, there existed an outside chance that one may witness truly revealing 'body language' of participants. Maybe its because for most of my life I have always straddled several socio-political realities. But I am socialized to be ever mindful that one may 'feel the hand of Esau even as you hear the voice of Jacob'. I can still hear Susan Crawford's cathartic farewell speech in 2008. It was remarkable, the response in body language of several board members told a story. I will concede it may not mean much, then and there. Aferall, the deed is done and the die is cast. But when the 'fire next time' comes, it is instructive. - Carlton Samuels ________________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Roland Perry [roland at internetpolicyagency.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:31 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In message <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com>, at 10:18:17 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Michael D. Palage writes >I am also for increased efficiency , but the concern is about a growing lack >of transparency. Do you know how many ICANN Board meetings took place in >Costa Rica. You may be surprised to learn four. Two on March 14th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-2-14mar12-en.htm >) and >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-14mar12-en.htm) >, one on March 15th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-15mar12-en.htm) >and the ten minute joke of a meeting on March 16th >(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-16mar12-en.htm) > >How many people on this list would have liked to have had some insight on >the Board discussion regarding conflicts of interest and the selection of >new gTLD providers? > >If the ICANN Board wants to meet in private fine, however, in such >circumstances transcripts for all Board meetings should be made available >within 72 hours that should allow ICANN's army of attorneys to redact any >sensitive information from the transcript. > >Thoughts comments? It seems to me to be more transparent to publish a series of closely consecutive board meetings than to indulge in what appeared to me, when I first started attending ICANN meetings, a convenient fiction that the Friday session was the first time that week the board had got together to discuss the issues. When you need to publish the minutes is a separate issue from the one of "when/where are the real meetings". -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue May 1 14:02:38 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:02:38 -0300 Subject: [governance] May consultation: IGC input In-Reply-To: References: <00c501cd26d8$5e5f7cc0$1b1e7640$@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: Hi Adam and all, Regarding Remote participation, I believe it is important to raise three main topics that need to be organized early: a) technical resources on the ground (infrastructure, human resources); b) training for moderators and for remote speakers (workshop organizers need call the attention of the Secretariat if they plan to have remote speakers); c) call for hub registration and support to hub organizers. Bernard Sadaka from the Remote Participation Working Group has been assisting the secretariat with the technical aspects and he will be in Geneva for the OC and the MAG, I suggest that we contact him. Vladimir also has lot of experience with RP in EuroDIG and it will be excellent if he could help mainstream it in MAG. Of course, the main points can be put on a concise input, but I also think we should always refer to the CSTD report on improvements. That recognizes the importance of the document and many of the points to be improved in RP are encompassed there. Marília On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > On the issue of Remote Participation, please note that the IGC had widely > consulted and collaborated on a Statement which is available via the IGC > website. > See: http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47 > > > Please feel free to draw from this statement as consensus was reached on > the matter etc as notably there are some aspects of our statement that is > not included in the CSTD Report which should be raised in the discussions. > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Vladimir Radunovic wrote: > >> Adam, thanks for raising the issue. I have just shared these few >> proposals for the OC and MAG agenda with MAG list: Remote participation and >> accessibility for PWD as first.**** >> >> We will keep you all updated.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> As for reporting to the CS, let's start with what we have already: I will >> be tweeting via @vradunovic whenever applicable. Others from MAG may also >> share their twitter accounts or blogs if they blog regularly, and this can >> be a good start (without formal reports).**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Vlada**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto: >> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Judy Okite >> *Sent:* 30 April 2012 15:23 >> *To:* Adam Peake >> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] May consultation: IGC input**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thank you, Adam....will do. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> **** >> *“Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly >> impossible” Edwin Land***** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Adam Peake wrote:**** >> >> Judy, hi. >> >> Perhaps you could suggest on the MAG mailing list that there's a slot >> on the agenda of both the open consultation and the MAG meeting for >> discussion of accessibility. Could be part of the host country >> discussion of the venue. >> >> And could you or one of the other MAG members also suggest remote >> access also be discussed during both meetings. >> >> We don't need to develop proposals at the moment, just ask that the >> topics are on the agenda. >> >> Best, >> >> Adam**** >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Judy Okite wrote: >> > Hello Adam, Deidre, All, >> > >> > thank you, very much, just to let you know, we are taking notes and >> indeed, >> > the issues that you are raising are quite important. >> > >> > 1. on the PWD's and accessibility, DCAD forwarded recommendations to the >> > Secretariat, bearing in mind, the possibility of holding the forum in >> > three different venues. >> > >> > I strongly encourage these discussions. >> > >> > >> > Kind Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > “Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly >> > impossible” Edwin Land >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Deirdre Williams >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 29 April 2012 05:47, Adam Peake wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Adam and everyone, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> But for now I suggest we ask that remote access and accessibility of >> >>> the Baku venue be put on the agendas of both the open consultation and >> >>> the MAG meeting. >> >> >> >> >> >> Accessibility in Baku for everyone is extremely important, not just as >> a >> >> practical consideration but symbolically for the IGF itself. >> >> >> >> Last year in Nairobi the electricity supply (or lack of it) seemed to >> be >> >> one of the main technical factors affecting remote access - something >> >> important to remember for this year. >> >> >> >> On the human side the remote moderators are an essential link in the >> >> chain. The moderators in the workshops I 'attended' (from Saint Lucia) >> were >> >> a great help. >> >> However - moderators do need some training in their function and >> therefore >> >> the earlier they can be recruited the better AND moderation needs to be >> >> extended as much and as quickly as possible into languages other than >> >> English. >> >> >> >> Deirdre >> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >> William >> >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Tue May 1 15:56:55 2012 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:56:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday In-Reply-To: <39D05A5FD7C1334DA749CCFCE8538F872585D174EB@xchg1.uwimona.edu.jm> References: <9601A350-5E1A-429D-9ECF-B39E12417917@istaff.org> <$aQWEplyb6nPFAIb@internetpolicyagency.com> <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com>,<0amUkUPV$AoPFAQh@internetpolicyagency.com> <39D05A5FD7C1334DA749CCFCE8538F872585D174EB@xchg1.uwimona.edu.jm> Message-ID: + 1 CW I shall not be there. On 01 May 2012, at 19:34, SAMUELS,Carlton A wrote: > Here's my response to the announcement on an ICANN list: > - Carlton Samuels > ==================================================== > > I'm sure I may be in the minority to bemoan the passing of the usual > 'public' Friday morning ICANN Board meeting. > > Let us be clear I'm not just hopped off the truck here. I'm familiar > enough with these matters to recognize it for what it is principally > intended; theatre. But in the ICANN context, even crafted theatre > has its role. > > First, I truly believe that for a claimed multistakeholder > organisation and while the 'public' board meeting may not have been > all it could be, it was an important indicator or attribute of the > MSM, especially having regard the global public interest. > > Secondly, even if the votes are already taken, there existed an > outside chance that one may witness truly revealing 'body language' > of participants. Maybe its because for most of my life I have > always straddled several socio-political realities. But I am > socialized to be ever mindful that one may 'feel the hand of Esau > even as you hear the voice of Jacob'. > > I can still hear Susan Crawford's cathartic farewell speech in > 2008. It was remarkable, the response in body language of several > board members told a story. I will concede it may not mean much, > then and there. Aferall, the deed is done and the die is cast. But > when the 'fire next time' comes, it is instructive. > > - Carlton Samuels > ________________________________________ > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > ] On Behalf Of Roland Perry [roland at internetpolicyagency.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:31 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN Wraps Up Prague Meeting on Thursday > > In message <01f701cd27a5$41db4a70$c591df50$@palage.com>, at 10:18:17 > on > Tue, 1 May 2012, Michael D. Palage writes >> I am also for increased efficiency , but the concern is about a >> growing lack >> of transparency. Do you know how many ICANN Board meetings took >> place in >> Costa Rica. You may be surprised to learn four. Two on March 14th >> (http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-2-14mar12-en.htm >> ) and >> (http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-14mar12-en.htm >> ) >> , one on March 15th >> (http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-15mar12-en.htm >> ) >> and the ten minute joke of a meeting on March 16th >> (http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-16mar12-en.htm >> ) >> >> How many people on this list would have liked to have had some >> insight on >> the Board discussion regarding conflicts of interest and the >> selection of >> new gTLD providers? >> >> If the ICANN Board wants to meet in private fine, however, in such >> circumstances transcripts for all Board meetings should be made >> available >> within 72 hours that should allow ICANN's army of attorneys to >> redact any >> sensitive information from the transcript. >> >> Thoughts comments? > > It seems to me to be more transparent to publish a series of closely > consecutive board meetings than to indulge in what appeared to me, > when > I first started attending ICANN meetings, a convenient fiction that > the > Friday session was the first time that week the board had got together > to discuss the issues. > > When you need to publish the minutes is a separate issue from the > one of > "when/where are the real meetings". > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Tue May 1 18:03:02 2012 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:03:02 +0000 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> > -----Original Message----- > > Is GISWatch2009 a commercial venture, and displaying a poster outside > it's allocated room? [Milton L Mueller] Roland, There is no serious doubt about the fact that China objected to Deibert's book launch because Deibert's work has really put Chinese censorship (and its cyber-espionage) into the spotlight. For example, there was no targeting of or objecting to my book launch, in Vilnius, even though it also contains material critical of China, simply because my stuff hasn't gotten the massive publicity that Deibert's exposure of Ghost net did. To call Deibert's book a "commercial venture" is pretty ridiculous given that it's an academic press and is about dissemination of ideas rather than profit. Of course, you have to pay for books because they cost money, but that does not a commercial venture make, any more than APC's fundraising oriented reception-release of its GIS program is commercial. IGF staff at various levels have all but admitted to me that as an intergovernmental entity the UN is constrained in this way. > I'm trying hard not to take sides here, but to the extent that I think > the stated problem was [unapproved] *commercial* banners, and outside > the room, what happened in both cases could be consistent with that > rule. [Milton L Mueller] See above. APC's reception was not in a room, it was in an area that was not enclosed, and thus the banner could be seen by any passerby. ONI simply put their banner outside the room so that people looking for it, or interested in it, would know where it was. This had happened before, it was not until China made an issue of it that a rule was suddenly invented and enforced. (Isn't it ridiculous to be debating this?) > Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? > but attention to details like this can be very important. I recall a > discussion which went on for days, and was vitally important to several > stakeholders, about whether a particular ITU resolution should mention > "members" or "Members" [of the ITU], such is the playing field we work > on. [Milton L Mueller] It may be, but it is both unnecessary to make excuses or to invent post-hoc justifications for actions that are clearly intended to suppress the disseminations of critical ideas. Look, Roland, the IGF is supposed to be about fostering exchanges of ideas and networking among stakeholders. It is indisputable that the policies and practices you are retroactively inventing justifications for do neither. They are fundamentally at cross-purposes with the mission of the IGF. And if your response is that the UN system must act this way, then let's find a better space for these interactions. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jovank at diplomacy.edu Wed May 2 02:51:58 2012 From: jovank at diplomacy.edu (Jovan Kurbalija) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 08:51:58 +0200 Subject: Now called: Compiling guideline points Re: [governance] May consultation: IGC input RP and access In-Reply-To: References: <4F9E9E29.3050206@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: <4FA0D98E.9000101@diplomacy.edu> Exactly, Deirdre, local hubs should be part of a sustained, ongoing process, as permanent as possible. But I do not think that one can/should impose any arrangement, especially in a bottom-up and volunteer process. People should be nudged into action, by showing that there is a possibility to link their local discussions and concerns to global policy making. Here a few possible reasons why hubs should be strengthened (in cooperation with other existing networks/frameworks): - to connect with people addressing similar issues worldwide (policy cross-fertilisation can be very useful; we feel better if we realise that our local problems are not unique, as we tend to believe). - to connect with global (IGF) and regional processes so participants see that their local efforts have some resonance in larger policy shaping environments. - to move beyond immediate social circles (communities - especially online - tend to look inwards and to gather people who think the same way); hubs should encourage diversity. Local hubs and similar forms of e-participation may also help in bridging the increasingly wide gap between local communities and regional/global policy processes. Regards, Jovan On 5/1/12 4:08 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Speaking particularly to Jovan's mention of 'hubs' - > > one of the recurring themes in the IGC space is that the IGF is not > and should not be considered as a meeting held once a year to discuss > internet governance issues. Rather it is a continuing process of dialogue. > > That being the case, it would be desirable that the hubs should exist > within the same context - that is they should be active all the time > to extend the internet governance discussion into the global > community/communities. The IGF has spread outwards into regional > and local IGFs; now perhaps micro-local, geographic community level > IG discussion needs to be encouraged, together with the wider ranging > community of interest groupings that can be facilitated by the technology. > > The problems come with how to foster and encourage continuing > discussion and how to aggregate and synthesise the resulting ideas so > that they can be shared continually and considered by the widest > possible community. > > I seem to have an aptitude for dreaming impossible dreams :-( > > But it should be possible to make a start by considering the hubs as > 'permanent' creations which attempt to keep the discussion active > throughout the year with the 'reward' of the camaraderie which can be > occasioned by remote participation at the big annual meeting. > > Ideally the hubs are up and running now and ready to participate. > > Deirdre > > On 30 April 2012 10:14, Jovan Kurbalija > wrote: > > Following up on Adam's invitation to discuss, here are a few > comments on IGF RP.... > > It is good that we are moving out of Parento's formula of having > 20% of investment (people, training) contributing 80% to the > success of remote participation. The CSTD paper is a good blend of > summarising experience over the last 6 years and paving the way > for the future development. The RP process proves the importance > of organic and bottom-up policy making. > > Here are a few more concrete comments: > > - One can see cross-fertilisation among different policy spaces. > ICANN, which introduced transcription into the IG policy space, > has effective RP. The WSIS Forum has introduced also highly > functional RP. Last week, INET had both RP and remote hubs. Each > policy space has its own specificities, but there is a lot of > possibilities for learning from each other. At the next WSIS Forum > there will be a session on e-participation. Ginger will maintain > the tradition of RP-workshop at the IGF Baku, as well. Diplo has > been trying to promote e-participation in other policy spaces in > the context of the project "20 years of e-diplomacy". The first > discussions are highly encouraging. > > - Since the "venue" problems are identified and will be fixed, the > main challenge will be to have effective local hubs. The key > contribution of e-participation will be in linking global/regional > IG debates to the local policy context. The benefits will flow > both ways from global to local (understanding the wider policy > context) and from local to global (having reality check about > policy discussions). Local hubs should be part of the local policy > processes as well. I am sure that Ginger, Marilia, Bernard, Vlada > and other conveyers of local hubs can develop the recommendations > for the sub-section on local hubs. > > - E-facilitation and local hubs are one the ways to engage "silent > majority". The more IGF moves beyond traditional IGF circles, the > more relevant it will be to the world at large. Typically, the > e-IGF attracts the most active people on social media. But, > e-facilitators - especially in local hubs - should engage people > beyond the "usual circles". In the build-up for the IGF, local > hubs should facilitate discussion on the most pressing local issues. > > - We should develop some sort of incentives for local hubs > facilitators. It could be participation in the next IGF for the > most successful hubs and publishing of reports from the local > hubs. Last year we ran a pilot course on e-facilitation. The > results were good, and successful participants received a > certificate, which some of them used for e-facilitation in other > policy spaces. This could be also another encouragement. > > I reiterate Ginger's offer of Diplo support if we can help in any > way. I look forward to the continued discussion. > > Regards, Jovan > > > On 4/30/12 3:53 PM, Keisha Taylor wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I like the ideas listed below. I think that the inclusion of >> social media should be more formally introduced as part of remote >> participation so that even if the sessions sometimes do not reach >> people (for technical/timezone/bandwidth etc issues), the >> conversations surrounding the sessions can reach a much bigger >> audience even if the actual sessions were missed. >> >> I also think that it may be useful to use the IGF to gage >> opinions or insight on various issues from not only IGF >> attendees but from those who cannot attend. This be through >> surveys or other lightweight but effective initiatives. The >> results of this I think can provide some very interesting insight. >> >> Best >> >> Keisha >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Ginger Paque > > wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, and thanks for taking this important >> discussion seriously. >> >> Adam Peake suggested we start a formal set of guidelines or >> input to the IGF Remote Participation and Access issues for >> Baku. >> There have been great suggestions already, which I have >> compiled below. If anything is missing, please let us/me >> know. I add any additional comments, and will put this in a >> more coherent format before the end of the week. >> >> Ginger: Support the DCAD on access issues as RP and access >> are closely linked Deidre says: Avoid conflating the issues >> Have a liason between RP working group or others who are >> working on RP with Bernard or the IGF secretariat, to >> facilitate coordination of volunteer efforts. >> Ask that experienced and new interested MAG members organize >> to support these issues (Katitza? Vlada? others?) >> Add the guidelines and principles from previous IGF workshops. >> >> Anriette Esterhuysen: refer to the report of the CSTD working >> group on IGF improvements: >> >> 2. Enhance measures for broader participation >> >> 42. Remote participation is an integral part of the IGF. >> While remote >> participation has improved, in particular through remote >> moderators and >> hubs, there is still room for improvement in the following areas: >> >> (a) The Secretariat should continue to ensure the availability of >> adequate technical and human resources, including remote >> moderators; >> (b) Chairs and moderators should give remote and on-site >> participants >> equal recognition and the opportunity to participate; >> >> (c) Low-bandwidth connections to remote participation tools >> should be >> accommodated; >> >> (d) Linguistic diversity in remote participation should be >> fostered by >> ensuring that online meeting platforms interface with on-site >> interpretation; >> >> (e) Mechanisms that facilitate remote participation, such as live >> transcripts, should be kept as an integral part of the IGF. Such >> mechanisms are invaluable not only to remote participants, >> but also to >> non-English-speakers and to people with disabilities, whether >> they are >> on site or not. >> >> 43. It is important to ensure the accessibility of the IGF’s >> facilities >> to persons with disabilities. >> >> 44. To improve participation in the IGF of diverse linguistic and >> cultural groups, it is important to expand linguistic diversity >> functions in the work of the IGF. For example, this could be >> achieved by >> (resources permitting): >> >> (a) Increasing the translation of key documents into United >> Nations >> official languages; >> >> (b) Exploring the use of simultaneous machine translations >> based on >> realtime English transcripts; >> >> (c) Encouraging the use of any of the United Nations official >> languages, >> not only English, as the working language in some workshops. >> >> 3. Improve the online visibility and accessibility of the IGF >> >> 45. A first step in this direction should be to enhance the IGF’s >> website by providing interactive functionalities and making >> it more >> attractive and inclusive. It should also maintain its >> conformance with >> open standards and further improve accessibility to persons with >> disabilities. >> >> http://unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/a67d65_en.pdf >> Deirdre William: identify and train moderators, consider some >> kind of recognition for volunteers >> Nnenna: Avoid last minute changes in programming, and >> consider how they affect in situ and RP when necessary >> Janna Anderson: Good lighting in the room helps RP images - >> Roland Perry: have to manage ppt/presentations in lighting as >> well. >> Tim Davies: Add social aggregator tool >> >> >> On 30 April 2012 08:18, Roland Perry >> > > wrote: >> >> In message >> > >, at 08:24:44 on Mon, 30 >> Apr 2012, Deirdre Williams > > writes >> >> I also think that we should look at RP the other way >> round too. Currently it isn't possible to make not >> being physically present the same as being physically >> present. Therefore we at least should be clear about >> what are MUST HAVES and what may come later. >> >> Also I think it is vital NOT TO conflate RP with >> access for people with disabilities. They are both >> separate and important issues, and both of them >> deserve individual attention >> >> >> My point is that the same solution is equally useful to >> either community. 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It provides a domestic independent forum in the Bangladesh to engage civil society, organization, government, corporate sector, technical, media and academia for fostering partnerships, coalitions and dialogues that would reveal the best practices and inform at policy level both at Local, National, Regional and Global level. It is our pleasure to invite you to the Bangladesh Consultation at the eve of the 7th Annual Meeting of the UN Internet Governance Forum (IGF), UN WSIS+10 [United Nations World Summit on the Information Society Forum 2012] and UN Broadband Commission for Digital Development *Tuesday 8 May, 2012 at 10:45 AM Meeting Room* *Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC)* *IEB Bhaban, Ramna, Dhaka 1000* Bangladesh Internet Governance Forum(BIGF) is organising Bangladesh Consultation in collaboration with Monthly Computer Jagat and Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication [NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council] Every day Internet is penetrating our life, bringing some more new ideas and making our lives easier and more comfortable. There are a lot of topics and ideas that the Internet brings to the agenda nationally and all those new trends should be duly discussed and agreed before widely stepping in and impacting the future. In this regard, we cordially invite all the participants to discuss with us the national implications of the ICT in Bangladesh and the trends of its future development. *Page-1* *Page-2* * * *Mr. Hasanul Haq Inu*, Hon’ble MP & Chairman, Parliamentary Standing Committee for Ministry of Post and Telecommunication has kindly consented to be present as Chief Guest. *Major General Zia Ahmed, psc (Retd.)*Chairman, Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission has kindly consented to be present as Special Guest in the consultation. *Dr. Akram H. Chowdhury, *Hon’ble* *MP and Chairperson, Centre for e-Parliament Research will moderate the Consultation. *Dr. Md. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed May 2 03:13:20 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:13:20 +0100 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, > >[Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >> but attention to details like this can be very important. I recall a >> discussion which went on for days, and was vitally important to several >> stakeholders, about whether a particular ITU resolution should mention >> "members" or "Members" [of the ITU], such is the playing field we work >> on. > >[Milton L Mueller] It may be, but it is both unnecessary to make excuses or to invent post-hoc justifications for actions that are clearly >intended to suppress the disseminations of critical ideas. > >Look, Roland, the IGF is supposed to be about fostering exchanges of ideas and networking among stakeholders. It is indisputable that the >policies and practices you are retroactively inventing justifications for do neither. They are fundamentally at cross-purposes with the mission >of the IGF. And if your response is that the UN system must act this way, then let's find a better space for these interactions. "When in Rome..." If you want to meet somewhere else, feel free. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Wed May 2 06:06:32 2012 From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:06:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> Message-ID: <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> It's better for me too. ------------------------------------------------------------ Tijani BEN JEMAA Vice Président de la CIC Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Télécopie  : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------------ -----Message d'origine----- De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? Dear Vlada and all, As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to 1800-1930 ish? As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a kind of compromise. And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. izumi Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : > Izumi, > > > > latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should > arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join > you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). > > > > Best! > > > >                 Vlada > > > > > > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Qusai > AlShatti > Sent: 28 April 2012 12:31 > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU > Subject: Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? > > > > Dear Izumi & all: > > I will be there too. Thank you for the effort to arrange this meeting. > I would kindly request to shift the meeting time from 16:00-18:00 to > 18:00-20:00. I am requesting this because there is a session about > Partnership on measuring ICT for development which will take place > between > 14:45 - 18:00 and I am planning to attend it. > > > > Beside if we end the meeting on 20:00, it will be more suitable time > for dinner. If the place is an issue, I will be staying at the Epsom > manotel and we can meet there. It is close to rue Lausanne. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Qusai AlShatti > > > > > On Saturday, April 28, 2012, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Dear all, > Jovan Kurbalija of DiploFoundation kindly agreed to our request for > the meeting room. > So we will have a preparatory meeting followed by an optional dinner > at the nearby restaurant. > > Time/Date: 16:00 - 18:00      Monday, May 14, > Venue: DiploFoundation > 56, Rue de Lausanne. Geneva > Phone:+41 22 741 0420 > > Please send your ideas about the topics we like to discuss there. > > izumi > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org ----- Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 10.0.1390 / Base de données virale: 1518/3785 - Date: 24/07/2011 La Base de données des virus a expiré. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed May 2 09:15:54 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:15:54 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, >> >> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? First, let me preface my comments saying that I am associated with the CitizenLab, one of the founders and members of the Open Net Initiative. That being said.... Roland, I disagree with how you characterize the event that took place in Sharm. Censorship is censorship , plain and simple. > > A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. regards Robert -- Robert Guerra Senior Advisor, Citizen Lab Munk Centre for Global Affairs, University of Toronto Phone: +1 416-893-0377 Cell: +1 202 905 2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: robert at citizenlab.org Web: http://citizenlab.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:40:00 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:40:00 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > > Roland, I disagree with how you characterize the event that took place in > Sharm. Censorship is censorship , plain and simple. > > > What do people think about developing a Statement on Censorship for the purposes of developing an IGC position on the matter? Or has this already been done. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> Hola Robert, comments below: On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > >> In message<855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, >>> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? > A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions > and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. > The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. > > Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. > > IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model > http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ > > The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this documented? -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed May 2 10:43:24 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:43:24 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> Message-ID: <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a minimum workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights issues need to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make sure there isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN regards Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > Hola Robert, > > comments below: > > On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >> On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >> >>> In message<855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>>>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, >>>> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? >> A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >> The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. >> >> Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. >> >> IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ >> >> The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. > > I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this documented? > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed May 2 10:50:28 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:50:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a minimum > workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights issues need > to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make sure there > isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN > Another way to do it is to get them involved in a Panel and create a "safe place" for dialogue on "abuse of the exceptions" in Article 19 of the ICCPR. If we through advocacy not by alienating them engage them in dialogue on what the mature response is, we could win both sides. The key is outreach and strategic advocacy. We must lead and guide them to understand why it is important. At the same time, we need to be very clear and express our position on the matter in some form. If even after this level of engagement, we are still ignored then we can recoup and strategize on how we wish to address it. Any approach should have a long term strategy because other countries can also learn. Kind Regards, > > > regards > > Robert > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > > Hola Robert, > > comments below: > > On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > > On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > > > In message< > 855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at > 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes > > Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, > > [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? > > A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and > poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. > > The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has > stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. > > > Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the > Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety > of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. > However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging > conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek > from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. > > > IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model > > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ > > > The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the > official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. > > > I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are editing > the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this documented? > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katycarvt at gmail.com Wed May 2 10:56:10 2012 From: katycarvt at gmail.com (Katy P) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:56:10 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: While a panel can be a safe place, what happens when we all leave and the government knows they a particular individual attended such a panel? On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > >> Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a minimum >> workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights issues need >> to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make sure there >> isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN >> > > Another way to do it is to get them involved in a Panel and create a "safe > place" for dialogue on "abuse of the exceptions" in Article 19 of the > ICCPR. If we through advocacy not by alienating them engage them in > dialogue on what the mature response is, we could win both sides. The key > is outreach and strategic advocacy. We must lead and guide them to > understand why it is important. > > At the same time, we need to be very clear and express our position on the > matter in some form. If even after this level of engagement, we are still > ignored then we can recoup and strategize on how we wish to address it. Any > approach should have a long term strategy because other countries can also > learn. > > Kind Regards, > >> >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> -- >> R. Guerra >> Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 >> Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom >> Email: rguerra at privaterra.org >> >> On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: >> >> Hola Robert, >> >> comments below: >> >> On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >> >> On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >> >> >> In message< >> 855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at >> 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >> >> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds >> pedantic, >> >> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? >> >> A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and >> poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >> >> The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has >> stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. >> >> >> Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the >> Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety >> of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. >> However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging >> conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek >> from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. >> >> >> IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model >> >> >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ >> >> >> The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the >> official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. >> >> >> I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are >> editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this >> documented? >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed May 2 11:07:23 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:07:23 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Katy P wrote: > While a panel can be a safe place, what happens when we all leave and the > government knows they a particular individual attended such a panel? > > There are no easy answers but whilst we are there we could use the opportunity to meet with local civil society organizations etc and maybe assist them with general strategies. In fact, activism can be strategic - for instance, we can get governments with good records to help communicate to governments who struggle with issues such as "Freedom of Expression" - like a sort of peer thing. Simultaneously, civil society can organize multistakeholder workshops to address this but at the same time regional organizations and local organizations have to figure out and develop a strategy for advocacy, one which is long term, medium and short term. In Fiji, we are under military rule since our Coup D' Etat in 2006 and we have anti sedition laws that make it illegal to criticize the state or any of its agencies. Sedition in Fiji is any criticism of government or its functions/practices/policies. So my reflections are based on what I see on the ground. I find that these laws are crafted out of "fear". The key thing would be addressing the fear. There are no easy answers but as the IGC we should really talk about the Human Rights Issues concerning jailing of bloggers in Azerbaijan. Kind Regards, Sala > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >> >>> Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a >>> minimum workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights >>> issues need to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make >>> sure there isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN >>> >> >> Another way to do it is to get them involved in a Panel and create a >> "safe place" for dialogue on "abuse of the exceptions" in Article 19 of the >> ICCPR. If we through advocacy not by alienating them engage them in >> dialogue on what the mature response is, we could win both sides. The key >> is outreach and strategic advocacy. We must lead and guide them to >> understand why it is important. >> >> At the same time, we need to be very clear and express our position on >> the matter in some form. If even after this level of engagement, we are >> still ignored then we can recoup and strategize on how we wish to address >> it. Any approach should have a long term strategy because other countries >> can also learn. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Robert >>> -- >>> R. Guerra >>> Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 >>> Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom >>> Email: rguerra at privaterra.org >>> >>> On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: >>> >>> Hola Robert, >>> >>> comments below: >>> >>> On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >>> >>> On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >>> >>> >>> In message< >>> 855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at >>> 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>> >>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds >>> pedantic, >>> >>> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? >>> >>> A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and >>> poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >>> >>> The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has >>> stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. >>> >>> >>> Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the >>> Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety >>> of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. >>> However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging >>> conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek >>> from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. >>> >>> >>> IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model >>> >>> >>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ >>> >>> >>> The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from >>> the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. >>> >>> >>> I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are >>> editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this >>> documented? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katycarvt at gmail.com Wed May 2 11:09:11 2012 From: katycarvt at gmail.com (Katy P) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:09:11 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: While the jailing of bloggers is a concern, the overall atmosphere of demonizing the Internet in Azerbaijan should be a concern as well. Azerbaijan (wisely?) maintains an outward face of promoting technology, but it does a thorough job of discouraging it. This is much harder to combat both internally and externally. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Katy P wrote: > >> While a panel can be a safe place, what happens when we all leave and the >> government knows they a particular individual attended such a panel? >> >> There are no easy answers but whilst we are there we could use the > opportunity to meet with local civil society organizations etc and maybe > assist them with general strategies. In fact, activism can be strategic - > for instance, we can get governments with good records to help communicate > to governments who struggle with issues such as "Freedom of Expression" - > like a sort of peer thing. Simultaneously, civil society can organize > multistakeholder workshops to address this but at the same time regional > organizations and local organizations have to figure out and develop a > strategy for advocacy, one which is long term, medium and short term. > > In Fiji, we are under military rule since our Coup D' Etat in 2006 and we > have anti sedition laws that make it illegal to criticize the state or any > of its agencies. Sedition in Fiji is any criticism of government or its > functions/practices/policies. > > So my reflections are based on what I see on the ground. I find that these > laws are crafted out of "fear". The key thing would be addressing the fear. > There are no easy answers but as the IGC we should really talk about the > Human Rights Issues concerning jailing of bloggers in Azerbaijan. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > >> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >>> >>>> Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a >>>> minimum workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights >>>> issues need to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make >>>> sure there isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN >>>> >>> >>> Another way to do it is to get them involved in a Panel and create a >>> "safe place" for dialogue on "abuse of the exceptions" in Article 19 of the >>> ICCPR. If we through advocacy not by alienating them engage them in >>> dialogue on what the mature response is, we could win both sides. The key >>> is outreach and strategic advocacy. We must lead and guide them to >>> understand why it is important. >>> >>> At the same time, we need to be very clear and express our position on >>> the matter in some form. If even after this level of engagement, we are >>> still ignored then we can recoup and strategize on how we wish to address >>> it. Any approach should have a long term strategy because other countries >>> can also learn. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> -- >>>> R. Guerra >>>> Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 >>>> Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom >>>> Email: rguerra at privaterra.org >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: >>>> >>>> Hola Robert, >>>> >>>> comments below: >>>> >>>> On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> In message< >>>> 855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at >>>> 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>>> >>>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds >>>> pedantic, >>>> >>>> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? >>>> >>>> A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions >>>> and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >>>> >>>> The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat >>>> has stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. >>>> >>>> >>>> Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the >>>> Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety >>>> of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. >>>> However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging >>>> conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek >>>> from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. >>>> >>>> >>>> IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ >>>> >>>> >>>> The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from >>>> the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. >>>> >>>> >>>> I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are >>>> editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this >>>> documented? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed May 2 11:10:58 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:10:58 +0100 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: In message , at 09:15:54 on Wed, 2 May 2012, Robert Guerra writes >Roland, I disagree with how you characterize the event that took > place in Sharm. Censorship is censorship , plain and simple. There are many examples of censorship in the world, it's impossible to deny. I believe that threats to kill the President are likely to be censored in the USA (and several other countries vis-a-vis remarks about their Head of State). There are many forms of words which are widely regarded as racist. So there cannot ever, as far as I can see, be "no censorship". So all that remains to discuss is to what extent one is entitled to break taboos (which is a more constructive description than attracting censorship) when a guest in a country, or at an organisation's meeting. Doesn't operating in an International community require us to make allowances from time to time? -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed May 2 11:15:31 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:15:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Katy P wrote: > While the jailing of bloggers is a concern, the overall atmosphere of > demonizing the Internet in Azerbaijan should be a concern as well. > > Azerbaijan (wisely?) maintains an outward face of promoting technology, > but it does a thorough job of discouraging it. This is much harder to > combat both internally and externally. > > This is why we should have discussions on things like:- Why should the Internet remain open and free? [The way in which the workshops are organized should not be just information dissemination because anyone can do that. It should be done with a desire to provoke discussions around the heart of the matter. ] > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Katy P wrote: >> >>> While a panel can be a safe place, what happens when we all leave and >>> the government knows they a particular individual attended such a panel? >>> >>> There are no easy answers but whilst we are there we could use the >> opportunity to meet with local civil society organizations etc and maybe >> assist them with general strategies. In fact, activism can be strategic - >> for instance, we can get governments with good records to help communicate >> to governments who struggle with issues such as "Freedom of Expression" - >> like a sort of peer thing. Simultaneously, civil society can organize >> multistakeholder workshops to address this but at the same time regional >> organizations and local organizations have to figure out and develop a >> strategy for advocacy, one which is long term, medium and short term. >> >> In Fiji, we are under military rule since our Coup D' Etat in 2006 and we >> have anti sedition laws that make it illegal to criticize the state or any >> of its agencies. Sedition in Fiji is any criticism of government or its >> functions/practices/policies. >> >> So my reflections are based on what I see on the ground. I find that >> these laws are crafted out of "fear". The key thing would be addressing the >> fear. There are no easy answers but as the IGC we should really talk about >> the Human Rights Issues concerning jailing of bloggers in Azerbaijan. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >>> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Guerra >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that - as a >>>>> minimum workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights >>>>> issues need to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make >>>>> sure there isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN >>>>> >>>> >>>> Another way to do it is to get them involved in a Panel and create a >>>> "safe place" for dialogue on "abuse of the exceptions" in Article 19 of the >>>> ICCPR. If we through advocacy not by alienating them engage them in >>>> dialogue on what the mature response is, we could win both sides. The key >>>> is outreach and strategic advocacy. We must lead and guide them to >>>> understand why it is important. >>>> >>>> At the same time, we need to be very clear and express our position on >>>> the matter in some form. If even after this level of engagement, we are >>>> still ignored then we can recoup and strategize on how we wish to address >>>> it. Any approach should have a long term strategy because other countries >>>> can also learn. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Robert >>>>> -- >>>>> R. Guerra >>>>> Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 >>>>> Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom >>>>> Email: rguerra at privaterra.org >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hola Robert, >>>>> >>>>> comments below: >>>>> >>>>> On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In message< >>>>> 855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, at >>>>> 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller writes >>>>> >>>>> Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds >>>>> pedantic, >>>>> >>>>> [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point >>>>> is...? >>>>> >>>>> A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions >>>>> and poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. >>>>> >>>>> The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat >>>>> has stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the >>>>> Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety >>>>> of Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. >>>>> However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging >>>>> conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek >>>>> from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from >>>>> the official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are >>>>> editing the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this >>>>> documented? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>>> >>>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: Hi, I worked for the IGF secretariat in Nairobi and at the time didn't hear anything about this event (or non-event event). On checking, have found that the workshop organizers were the ones who cancelled. They did so by email at short notice. The reason given for cancelation being that three of the key speakers had been unable to travel to Nairobi. The IGF secretariat uploaded video of the event to YouTube, but felt they couldn't use the original title as that workshop had not been held. Instead they chose "The Internet and Post Revolution" as being a close-ish alternative. If you search the IGF YouTube channel with the word "revolution" you find it. (I am not working for the IGF secretariat at the moment, have no contract.) Thanks, Adam On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: > Given past experiences, my recommendation would be that -  as a minimum > workshop proposals that touch on Free expression and/or rights issues need > to not only be supported - but also carefully monitored to make sure there > isn't undue interference from the Azeri hosts and/or UN > > > regards > > Robert > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On 2012-05-02, at 10:24 AM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > > Hola Robert, > > comments below: > > On 5/2/12 9:15 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > > On 2012-05-02, at 3:13 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > > > In message<855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D at SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>, > at 22:03:02 on Tue, 1 May 2012, Milton L Mueller  writes > > Do you at least agree it wasn't a "workshop"? I know it sounds pedantic, > > [Milton L Mueller] It was a reception with food. And your point is...? > > A workshop is part of the official programme, and both interruptions and > poorly briefed organisers would be more serious. > > The incident in Sharm was not the only one where the IGF secretariat has > stepped in and stopped a critical conversation related to rights. > > > Last year's workshop session in Nairobi on - The Internet in the > Post-Revolution Phase — Challenges of Political Engagement and the Safety of > Citizens" was cancelled for reasons unknown at the very last minute. > However, the people stayed in the room and a very lively and engaging > conversation took place. In fact, the session - according to Keith Drazek > from Verisign proved to be one of the successes of the whole event. > > > IGF Nairobi - Success of the Multi-stakeholder Model > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/igf_nairobi_success_of_the_multi_stakeholder_model/ > > > The Secretariat tried to remove the video archive of the session from the > official record. But luckily, it was saved - let's see for how long. > > > I did not hear about this. I'm astonished. Do you know if they are editing > the reports to at their own whim? Is there more cases like this documented? > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed May 2 18:23:45 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:23:45 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <4F9EB51C.2050609@eff.org> <99B43E30-E7F4-4F57-9CB7-E001BD36B34A@ciroap.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD214F43D@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> <4FA1439D.1070806@eff.org> <92CA8FE1-3AC7-44DC-A033-26AB8604BC4D@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <02C2894D-660C-4693-901D-31585D8A910F@privaterra.org> Adam, On 2012-05-02, at 11:54 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > I worked for the IGF secretariat in Nairobi and at the time didn't hear anything about this event (or non-event event). > > On checking, have found that the workshop organizers were the ones who cancelled. They did so by email at short notice. The reason given for > cancelation being that three of the key speakers had been unable to travel to Nairobi. > That wasn't communicated at all, to those of us who showed up expecting to hear what looked like a great workshop. > The IGF secretariat uploaded video of the event to YouTube, but felt > they couldn't use the original title as that workshop had not been > held. Instead they chose "The Internet and Post Revolution" as being a > close-ish alternative. If you search the IGF YouTube channel > with the word "revolution" > you find it. I disagree. At first there was an exchange that suggested that the transcript and session would be deleted as what took place "was an unofficial event". A number of exchanges with several members of the secretariat luckily convinced them to keep the content up. This message and the earlier conversation about the Open Net incident in Sharm makes it clear to me that Civil Society's passion to organize and get its message across can at times clash with UN protocol. When a member state complains and invokes procedure - the secretariat's hands become tied . If we don't agree with the action, then we should direct our criticisms to the govt who may have complained and not our allies in the secretariat. As such, let me make a suggestion - that experts with an expert understanding of diplomatic and UN protocol strategically advise Civil Society groups who are keen to address and report on the rights issues in Azerbaijan at the upcoming IGF in Baku. Let's not run afoul of the rules, instead let's use them in our favour. regards Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, that also made the Board making many discussions and decisions during the week behind the scenes to certain extent, yet, as Carlton points out, sometimes we could see different board members made different statements (such as for .xxx case). Having informal and interactive discussions between Board and other members are welcome, but making no publicly viewable Board remains questionable. If it is a congress, all meetings are usually open to public, right? izumi 2012/5/2 CW Mail : > + 1 > > CW > > I shall not be there. > > > > On 01 May 2012, at 19:34, SAMUELS,Carlton A wrote: > >> Here's my response to the announcement on an ICANN list: >> - Carlton Samuels >> ==================================================== >> >> I'm sure I may be in the minority to bemoan the passing of the usual >> 'public' Friday morning ICANN Board meeting. >> >> Let us be clear I'm not just hopped off the truck here. I'm familiar >> enough with these matters to recognize it for what it is principally >> intended; theatre.  But in the ICANN context, even crafted theatre has its >> role. >> >> First, I truly believe that for a claimed multistakeholder organisation >> and while the 'public' board meeting may not have been all it could be, it >> was an important indicator or attribute of the MSM, especially having regard >> the global public interest. >> >> Secondly, even if the votes are already taken, there existed an outside >> chance that one may witness truly revealing 'body language' of participants. >>  Maybe its because for most of my life I have always straddled several >> socio-political realities. But I am socialized to be ever mindful that one >> may 'feel the hand of Esau even as you hear the voice of Jacob'. >> >> I can still hear Susan Crawford's cathartic farewell speech in 2008.  It >> was remarkable, the response in body language of several board members told >> a story.  I will concede it may not mean much, then and there.  Aferall, the >> deed is done and the die is cast. But when the 'fire next time' comes, it is >> instructive. >> >> - Carlton Samuels >> _________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kovenronald at aol.com Thu May 3 15:52:11 2012 From: kovenronald at aol.com (Koven Ronald) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Homepage Latest News Search Languages Contact Us About Us Thursday, May 03, 2012 19:48 GMT Sex and Censorship in Azerbaijan Bari Bates BRUSSELS, May 2 (IPS) - Khadija Ismayilova sat calmly, her face, voice and movements doing nothing to break the composed demeanour with which she recounted the Azeri government’s attempt to completely discredit her as a journalist. In early March, Ismayilova received a package containing six photos of herself having sex, taken from hidden cameras planted inside her home by unknown persons. The package contained more than just intimate pictures of the journalist responsible for uncovering cases of corruption within the government - there was a clear message of intimidation, filled with coarse language and insults, meant to deter not only Ismayilova, but anyone else from further investigating the government’s actions. But Ismayilova has a message of her own. Despite the intimacy of the smear campaign, she went public with her story, in the hopes of embarrassing the government by exposing the illegal means they employ tointimidate journalists and rights activists within the country. Then a video of the journalist, in the same explicit situation, appeared on a fake mirror website of Azerbaijan’s main opposition party, according to Amnesty International, though party leaders have stoutly denied connections between their party and the website in question. In a conservative country like Azerbaijan, Ismayilova believes the government hoped to use the video and photographs to discredit her work. Deadly censorship She is not the first victim of this crude tactic. Other journalists before her have been subject to public humiliation by sexually explicit images of themselves being aired on television but she is the first to speak out openly about it. And Ismayilova’s story is only the latest in a string of crackdowns on journalists within the country. President Ilham Aliyev, who abolished presidential term limits in 2009, has a web of family members in positions of power throughout the country, which has piqued the interest of Azeri journalists working to investigate corruption and probe the reaches of government control. According to Ismayilova, the president’s cousin runs a television channel that aired images of an opposition journalist masturbating. For others, investigative journalism has been undertaken not only at the cost of civil rights and liberties, but also their lives. As of March 2012, Ismayilova said seven journalists had been kidnapped, and two more were being held without access to lawyers or contact with family members. Elmar Huseynov, an Azerbaijani journalist who reported on politics and corruption, was shot to death in the stairway of his apartment building on Mar. 2, 2005. His family reported that the journalist had received threats prior to his death, and feared for his safety. Seven years later, the investigation is at a standstill, and no one has been brought to justice for the loss of his life. Head of the Central Asia and Europe desk for Reporters Without Borders, Johann Bihr, called the case "a threat that constantly hangs over (journalists, members of the opposition party and human rights defenders)" in an article in ‘Running Scared: Azerbaijan’s Silenced Voices’, a publication from the International Partnership Group for Azerbaijan (IPGA). "In virtually no case of violence against a journalist since Huseynov’s murder has there been a serious investigation or prosecution for an attack. The result is a climate of fear in which journalists know that, should they decide to criticise the authorities, they are vulnerable to attacks that are either organised or endorsed by officials," Bihr said. With concerns over freedom of expression in the country, 10 members of the European Parliament issued a letter to Commissioner Štefan Füle, asking that the government of Azerbaijan and President Ilham Aliyev be "taken to task" to ensure the safety of Khadija Ismayilova and to create an environment that allows journalists and human rights activists to "work free from intimidation, blackmail and violence." Freedom of expression Opposition journalists are not the lone targets of government efforts to muzzle free speech. Citizens have been forbidden from protesting in Baku since 2005 and state forces used harsh measures against activists who took to the streets in March and April 2011, inspired by the Arab Spring. Ismayilova explained the only freedom of assembly allowed in Azerbaijan is outside the Baku city limits, a half-hour walk from the nearest bus station. The location is a dismal spot for vibrant political assembly. Ismayilova said, "No one can hear you...You can’t even reach the place." Social media is being monitored as well, with several youth activists jailed for promoting the Arab Spring protests on Facebook and Twitter. Parvana Persiyani, a blogger with the 'OL!' Youth Movement in Azerbaijan, said organisers of protests against current government policies have been jailed without access to attorneys or notice to their families. Habbar Savalanli used Facebook to promote public protests surrounding the Arab Spring, and was given a jail sentence of two and a half years on bogus drug charges, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW). He was released in December 2011. According to HRW, Azerbaijan has refused entry to a Council of Europe representative to look into the condition of political prisoners. Azerbaijan was ranked 143rd out of 183 countries surveyed in the 2011 Corruption Perceptions Index, compiled by Transparency International. Eurovision 2012 The influx of oil revenues in Azerbaijan has left the country flush with possibility, plans for vast expansion and the modernisation of a city gearing up to host the Eurovision Song Contest this summer, which draws more than 100 million viewers. But such expansion has paved the way for human rights violations, with HRW reporting that the government of Azerbaijan has forced people from their homes in claims of "urban renewal." According to HRW, the government of Azerbaijan hasn’t provided fair compensation or alternative housing options to those displaced by the construction projects. Rasul Jafarov, coordinator of the Sing for Democracy campaign, said apartment buildings have rapidly been demolished, with or without the consent of those living there. Tenants who refused to cooperate faced forcible eviction after being detained for several hours, during which time their homes were destroyed. While Azerbaijan has committed to granting Eurovision participants freedom of speech, HRW noted that the country systematically denies its own citizens these same freedoms. But Ulrike Lunacek, a European Parliament member, said that simply boycotting the song contest was not enough – rather, efforts should focus on ensuring information on the state of the country is freely available. "People in Azerbaijan don’t have access to the truth," Ismayilova stressed. "And that is the core of the problems in the county." (END/2012) Contact Us | About Us | Subscription | News in RSS | Email News | Mobile | Text Only Copyright © 2012 IPS-Inter Press Service. All rights reserved. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Guerra To: governance Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:07 pm Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? Dear colleagues, With all the focus on IGF MAG renewal and remote participation, let's not forget that the Governance Caucus should not lose track of the violations of human rights that are being reported in Azerbaijan. We need to make sure the UN and Azeri hosts make commitments that allow for respect & protection of Freedom of expression and association not only for participants of the IGF but also those in the country. As i've mentioned to many of you privately, we face a Tunis 2005 type scenario - that being, dealing with a well known and documented repressor of online activists and human rights. We can not be complicit in their repression nor be used as pawns in their PR campaign as to how great the country is. To not challenge the country to do better - before, during and after the IGF in Nov - is to not be faithful to the hard fought inclusion of Human Rights in the IGF 2005 summit documents. Look forward to everyone's comments. regards Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3ACDEB40-4A3B-4E36-B4C3-52015FF1C57F@privaterra.org> Thanks for this - I knew about the case, however hadn't posted the details to the list. On 2012-05-03, at 3:52 PM, Koven Ronald wrote: > > > > > Homepage > > Latest News > > Search > > Languages > > Contact Us > > About Us > > Thursday, May 03, 2012 19:48 GMT > > Sex and Censorship in Azerbaijan > > Bari Bates > BRUSSELS, May 2 (IPS) - Khadija Ismayilova sat calmly, her face, voice and movements doing nothing to break the composed demeanour with which she recounted the Azeri government’s attempt to completely discredit her as a journalist. > In early March, Ismayilova received a package containing six photos of herself having sex, taken from hidden cameras planted inside her home by unknown persons. > > The package contained more than just intimate pictures of the journalist responsible for uncovering cases of corruption within the government - there was a clear message of intimidation, filled with coarse language and insults, meant to deter not only Ismayilova, but anyone else from further investigating the government’s actions. > > But Ismayilova has a message of her own. Despite the intimacy of the smear campaign, she went public with her story, in the hopes of embarrassing the government by exposing the illegal means they employ tointimidate journalists and rights activists within the country. > > Then a video of the journalist, in the same explicit situation, appeared on a fake mirror website of Azerbaijan’s main opposition party, according to Amnesty International, though party leaders have stoutly denied connections between their party and the website in question. > > In a conservative country like Azerbaijan, Ismayilova believes the government hoped to use the video and photographs to discredit her work. > > Deadly censorship > > She is not the first victim of this crude tactic. Other journalists before her have been subject to public humiliation by sexually explicit images of themselves being aired on television but she is the first to speak out openly about it. > > And Ismayilova’s story is only the latest in a string of crackdowns on journalists within the country. > > President Ilham Aliyev, who abolished presidential term limits in 2009, has a web of family members in positions of power throughout the country, which has piqued the interest of Azeri journalists working to investigate corruption and probe the reaches of government control. > > According to Ismayilova, the president’s cousin runs a television channel that aired images of an opposition journalist masturbating. > > For others, investigative journalism has been undertaken not only at the cost of civil rights and liberties, but also their lives. As of March 2012, Ismayilova said seven journalists had been kidnapped, and two more were being held without access to lawyers or contact with family members. > > Elmar Huseynov, an Azerbaijani journalist who reported on politics and corruption, was shot to death in the stairway of his apartment building on Mar. 2, 2005. His family reported that the journalist had received threats prior to his death, and feared for his safety. > > Seven years later, the investigation is at a standstill, and no one has been brought to justice for the loss of his life. Head of the Central Asia and Europe desk for Reporters Without Borders, Johann Bihr, called the case "a threat that constantly hangs over (journalists, members of the opposition party and human rights defenders)" in an article in ‘Running Scared: Azerbaijan’s Silenced Voices’, a publication from the International Partnership Group for Azerbaijan (IPGA). > > "In virtually no case of violence against a journalist since Huseynov’s murder has there been a serious investigation or prosecution for an attack. The result is a climate of fear in which journalists know that, should they decide to criticise the authorities, they are vulnerable to attacks that are either organised or endorsed by officials," Bihr said. > > With concerns over freedom of expression in the country, 10 members of the European Parliament issued a letter to Commissioner Štefan Füle, asking that the government of Azerbaijan and President Ilham Aliyev be "taken to task" to ensure the safety of Khadija Ismayilova and to create an environment that allows journalists and human rights activists to "work free from intimidation, blackmail and violence." > > Freedom of expression > > Opposition journalists are not the lone targets of government efforts to muzzle free speech. Citizens have been forbidden from protesting in Baku since 2005 and state forces used harsh measures against activists who took to the streets in March and April 2011, inspired by the Arab Spring. > > Ismayilova explained the only freedom of assembly allowed in Azerbaijan is outside the Baku city limits, a half-hour walk from the nearest bus station. > > The location is a dismal spot for vibrant political assembly. Ismayilova said, "No one can hear you...You can’t even reach the place." > > Social media is being monitored as well, with several youth activists jailed for promoting the Arab Spring protests on Facebook and Twitter. Parvana Persiyani, a blogger with the 'OL!' Youth Movement in Azerbaijan, said organisers of protests against current government policies have been jailed without access to attorneys or notice to their families. > > Habbar Savalanli used Facebook to promote public protests surrounding the Arab Spring, and was given a jail sentence of two and a half years on bogus drug charges, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW). He was released in December 2011. > > According to HRW, Azerbaijan has refused entry to a Council of Europe representative to look into the condition of political prisoners. > > Azerbaijan was ranked 143rd out of 183 countries surveyed in the 2011 Corruption Perceptions Index, compiled by Transparency International. > > Eurovision 2012 > > The influx of oil revenues in Azerbaijan has left the country flush with possibility, plans for vast expansion and the modernisation of a city gearing up to host the Eurovision Song Contest this summer, which draws more than 100 million viewers. But such expansion has paved the way for human rights violations, with HRW reporting that the government of Azerbaijan has forced people from their homes in claims of "urban renewal." > > According to HRW, the government of Azerbaijan hasn’t provided fair compensation or alternative housing options to those displaced by the construction projects. > > Rasul Jafarov, coordinator of the Sing for Democracy campaign, said apartment buildings have rapidly been demolished, with or without the consent of those living there. Tenants who refused to cooperate faced forcible eviction after being detained for several hours, during which time their homes were destroyed. > > While Azerbaijan has committed to granting Eurovision participants freedom of speech, HRW noted that the country systematically denies its own citizens these same freedoms. > > But Ulrike Lunacek, a European Parliament member, said that simply boycotting the song contest was not enough – rather, efforts should focus on ensuring information on the state of the country is freely available. > > "People in Azerbaijan don’t have access to the truth," Ismayilova stressed. "And that is the core of the problems in the county." > > (END/2012) > > Contact Us | About Us | Subscription | News in RSS | Email News | Mobile | Text Only > Copyright © 2012 IPS-Inter Press Service. All rights reserved. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Guerra > To: governance > Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:07 pm > Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? > > Dear colleagues, > > With all the focus on IGF MAG renewal and remote participation, let's not forget that the Governance Caucus should not lose track of the violations of human rights that are being reported in Azerbaijan. > > We need to make sure the UN and Azeri hosts make commitments that allow for respect & protection of Freedom of expression and association not only for participants of the IGF but also those in the country. > > As i've mentioned to many of you privately, we face a Tunis 2005 type scenario - that being, dealing with a well known and documented repressor of online activists and human rights. We can not be complicit in their repression nor be used as pawns in their PR campaign as to how great the country is. > > To not challenge the country to do better - before, during and after the IGF in Nov - is to not be faithful to the hard fought inclusion of Human Rights in the IGF 2005 summit documents. > > Look forward to everyone's comments. > > regards > > Robert > > > > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katycarvt at gmail.com Thu May 3 21:37:21 2012 From: katycarvt at gmail.com (Katy P) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:37:21 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is it standard for this list to post entire news stories? On May 3, 2012 12:53 PM, "Koven Ronald" wrote: > > Homepage > Latest News > Search > Languages > Contact Us > About Us > Thursday, May 03, 2012 19:48 GMT > * > Sex and Censorship in Azerbaijan > > Bari Bates* > *BRUSSELS, May 2 (IPS) - Khadija Ismayilova sat calmly, her face, voice > and movements doing nothing to break the composed demeanour with which she > recounted the Azeri government’s attempt to completely discredit her as a > journalist.* > In early March, Ismayilova received a package containing six photos of > herself having sex, taken from hidden cameras planted inside her home by > unknown persons. > > The package contained more than just intimate pictures of the journalist > responsible for uncovering cases of corruption within the government - > there was a clear message of intimidation, filled with coarse language and > insults, meant to deter not only Ismayilova, but anyone else from further > investigating the government’s actions. > > But Ismayilova has a message of her own. Despite the intimacy of the smear > campaign, she went public with her story, in the hopes of embarrassing the > government by exposing the illegal means they employ tointimidate > journalists and > rights activists within the country. > > Then a video of the journalist, in the same explicit situation, appeared > on a fake mirror website of Azerbaijan’s main opposition party, according > to Amnesty International, though party leaders have stoutly denied > connections between their party and the website in question. > > In a conservative country like Azerbaijan, Ismayilova believes the > government hoped to use the video and photographs to discredit her work. > > *Deadly censorship* > > She is not the first victim of this crude tactic. Other journalists before > her have been subject to public humiliation by sexually explicit images of > themselves being aired on television but she is the first to speak out > openly about it. > > And Ismayilova’s story is only the latest in a string of crackdowns on > journalists within the country. > > President Ilham Aliyev, who abolished presidential term limits in 2009, > has a web of family members in positions of power throughout > the country, which has piqued the interest of Azeri journalists working to > investigate corruption and probe the reaches of government control. > > According to Ismayilova, the president’s cousin runs a television channel > that aired images of an opposition journalist masturbating. > > For others, investigative journalism has been undertaken not only at the > cost of civil rights and liberties, but also their lives. As of March 2012, > Ismayilova said seven journalists had been kidnapped, and two more were > being held without access to lawyers or contact with family members. > > Elmar Huseynov, an Azerbaijani journalist who reported on politics and > corruption, was shot to death in the stairway of his apartment building on > Mar. 2, 2005. His family reported that the journalist had received threats > prior to his death, and feared for his safety. > > Seven years later, the investigation is at a standstill, and no one has > been brought to justice for the loss of his life. Head of the Central Asia > and Europe desk for Reporters Without Borders, Johann Bihr, called the case > "a threat that constantly hangs over (journalists, members of the > opposition party and human rights defenders)" in an article in ‘Running > Scared: Azerbaijan’s Silenced Voices’, > a publication from the International Partnership Group for Azerbaijan > (IPGA). > > "In virtually no case of violence against a journalist since Huseynov’s > murder has there been a serious investigation or prosecution for an attack. > The result is a climate of fear in which journalists know that, should they > decide to criticise the authorities, they are vulnerable to attacks that > are either organised or endorsed by officials," Bihr said. > > With concerns over freedom of expression in the country, 10 members of the > European Parliament issued a letter to Commissioner Štefan Füle, asking > that the government of Azerbaijan and President Ilham Aliyev be "taken to > task" to ensure the safety of Khadija Ismayilova and to create an > environment that allows journalists and human rights activists to "work > free from intimidation, blackmail and violence." > > *Freedom of expression* > > Opposition journalists are not the lone targets of government efforts to > muzzle free speech. Citizens have been forbidden from protesting in Baku > since 2005 and state forces used harsh measures against activists who took > to the streets in March and April 2011, inspired by the Arab Spring. > > Ismayilova explained the only freedom of assembly allowed in Azerbaijan is > outside the Baku city limits, a half-hour walk from the nearest bus > station. > > The location is a dismal spot for vibrant political assembly. Ismayilova > said, "No one can hear you...You can’t even reach the place." > > Social media is being monitored as well, with several youth activists > jailed for promoting the Arab Spring protests on Facebook and Twitter. > Parvana Persiyani, a blogger with the 'OL!' Youth Movement in Azerbaijan, > said organisers of protests against current government policies have been > jailed without access to attorneys or notice to their families. > > Habbar Savalanli used Facebook to promote public protests surrounding the > Arab Spring, and was given a jail sentence of two and a half years on bogus > drug charges, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW). He was released in > December 2011. > > According to HRW, Azerbaijan has refused entry to a Council of Europe > representative to look into the condition of political prisoners. > > Azerbaijan was ranked 143rd out of 183 countries surveyed in the 2011 > Corruption Perceptions Index, > compiled by Transparency International. > > *Eurovision 2012* > > The influx of oil revenues in Azerbaijan has left the country flush with > possibility, plans for vast expansion and the modernisation of a city > gearing up to host the Eurovision Song Contest this > summer, which draws more than 100 million viewers. But such expansion has > paved the way for human rights violations, with HRW reporting that the > government of Azerbaijan has forced people from their homes in claims of > "urban renewal." > > According to HRW, the government of Azerbaijan hasn’t provided fair > compensation or alternative housing options to those displaced by the > construction projects. > > Rasul Jafarov, coordinator of the Sing for Democracy campaign, said > apartment buildings have rapidly been demolished, with or without the > consent of those living there. Tenants who refused to cooperate faced > forcible eviction after being detained for several hours, during which time > their homes were destroyed. > > While Azerbaijan has committed to granting Eurovision participants freedom > of speech, HRW noted that the country systematically denies its own > citizens these same freedoms. > > But Ulrike Lunacek, a European Parliament member, said that simply > boycotting the song contest was not enough – rather, efforts should focus > on ensuring information on the state of the country is freely available. > > "People in Azerbaijan don’t have access to the truth," Ismayilova > stressed. "And that is the core of the problems in the county." > > (END/2012) > Contact Us | About Us > | Subscription | News in RSS > | Email News | Mobile > | Text Only > Copyright © 2012 IPS-Inter Press Service. All rights reserved. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Guerra > To: governance > Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 5:07 pm > Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? > > Dear colleagues, > > With all the focus on IGF MAG renewal and remote participation, let's > not forget that the Governance Caucus should not lose track of the > violations of human rights that are being reported in Azerbaijan. > > We need to make sure the UN and Azeri hosts make commitments that allow > for respect & protection of Freedom of expression and association not only > for participants of the IGF but also those in the country. > > As i've mentioned to many of you privately, we face a Tunis 2005 type > scenario - that being, dealing with a well known and documented repressor > of online activists and human rights. We can not be complicit in their > repression nor be used as pawns in their PR campaign as to how great the > country is. > > To not challenge the country to do better - before, during and after the > IGF in Nov - is to not be faithful to the hard fought inclusion of Human > Rights in the IGF 2005 summit documents. > > Look forward to everyone's comments. > > regards > > Robert > > > > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Thu May 3 21:44:02 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 2012, at 21:37, Katy P wrote: > Is it standard for this list to post entire news stories? > Standard, probably not. Not sure what is standard. But it happens, especially when a member thinks there is something worth posting. And i do not think we have any rules about it. cheers avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri May 4 00:11:54 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:11:54 +1200 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read about the reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has taken the invasion of privacy to court. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 3 May 2012, at 21:37, Katy P wrote: > > > Is it standard for this list to post entire news stories? > > > > Standard, probably not. Not sure what is standard. > But it happens, especially when a member thinks there is something worth > posting. > And i do not think we have any rules about it. > > cheers > > avri > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Fri May 4 04:37:08 2012 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 10:37:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Repression and corruption in Azerbaijan appear similar to the situation in Tunisia before 2011. A Baku boycott might be an option to make it clear that internet promoters don't want to mingle with governments violating human rights. This could be gauged during the coming consultations in Geneva. - - - On 5/4/12, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read about the reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has > taken the invasion of privacy to court. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 4 07:05:42 2012 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:05:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com) References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20120504110542.565222397@quill.bollow.ch> Sala wrote: > Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read about the > reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has taken the invasion of > privacy to court. Is it even possible to take something like this to a court of law? (If I understand the situation right, there is no concrete evidence about who specifically did it, and the police is not willing to do more than pay lip service to their responsibility of investigating the crime.) The harsh reality is that some crimes can only be brought before the court of international public opinion. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri May 4 07:18:57 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 08:18:57 -0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FA3BB21.7050601@cafonso.ca> +1 --c.a. On 05/04/2012 05:37 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > Hi, > > Repression and corruption in Azerbaijan appear similar to the > situation in Tunisia before 2011. A Baku boycott might be an option to > make it clear that internet promoters don't want to mingle with > governments violating human rights. This could be gauged during the > coming consultations in Geneva. > - - - > > On 5/4/12, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read about the reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has >> taken the invasion of privacy to court. > >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 4 07:31:46 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:31:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> Hi, But, as with Tunis, being there helped to highlight some of the issues. Perhaps instead of boycotting, we can go and be supportive, in some yet to be defined manner, of those who are being intimidated. Perhaps this is something else the IGC could discuss. avri On 4 May 2012, at 04:37, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > Hi, > > Repression and corruption in Azerbaijan appear similar to the > situation in Tunisia before 2011. A Baku boycott might be an option to > make it clear that internet promoters don't want to mingle with > governments violating human rights. This could be gauged during the > coming consultations in Geneva. > - - - > > On 5/4/12, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read about the reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has >> taken the invasion of privacy to court. > >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri May 4 07:51:18 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 08:51:18 -0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> Message-ID: <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> Yes, Avri, but each situation is different, and I think at least the possibility should be discussed. Boycott might also work as a strong form of pressure. Europe is doing it right now in relation to the mistreatment of Ms Timoshenko in Ukraine, just to mention an immediate example. The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a complicated political scenario as foreigners. frt rgds --c.a. On 05/04/2012 08:31 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > But, as with Tunis, being there helped to highlight some of the > issues. > > Perhaps instead of boycotting, we can go and be supportive, in some > yet to be defined manner, of those who are being intimidated. > Perhaps this is something else the IGC could discuss. > > avri > > On 4 May 2012, at 04:37, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Repression and corruption in Azerbaijan appear similar to the >> situation in Tunisia before 2011. A Baku boycott might be an option >> to make it clear that internet promoters don't want to mingle with >> governments violating human rights. This could be gauged during >> the coming consultations in Geneva. - - - >> >> On 5/4/12, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >>> Thanks Rony that was very informative and disturbing to read >>> about the reports. I am wondering whether the journalist has >>> taken the invasion of privacy to court. >> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ You >> received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and >> to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 4 07:55:00 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:55:00 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of > us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a > complicated political scenario as foreigners. As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. Are they asking us to boycott? avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri May 4 08:04:02 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 09:04:02 -0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> Message-ID: <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> Hmmmm... I do not know. But one point is: who are the ones "who are there"? Sorry, maybe most of you already have plenty of info regarding this question, unfortunately I do not. frt rgds --c.a. On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >> complicated political scenario as foreigners. > > > As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. > > Are they asking us to boycott? > > avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri May 4 08:06:14 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 09:06:14 -0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> Message-ID: <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. frt rgds --c.a. On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >> complicated political scenario as foreigners. > > > As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. > > Are they asking us to boycott? > > avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 4 08:20:07 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:20:07 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Well I think there may be some distance between meddling and being supportive. avri On 4 May 2012, at 08:06, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go > to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> >>> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >>> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >>> complicated political scenario as foreigners. >> >> >> As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. >> >> Are they asking us to boycott? >> >> avri > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ginger at paque.net Fri May 4 08:22:18 2012 From: ginger at paque.net (Ginger Paque) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:52:18 -0430 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: I understand and support the value of making a strong, visible demonstration and I think all possible tools should be considered. Boycott is not the only social statement that can be made--look at ACTA and SOPA. Having seen what a boycott of the parliamentary elections did to Venezuela (it gave complete control to the party did participate), I am very wary of boycotts. I have three particular concerns: 1 As Avri asked: what do the people in Azerbaijan want us to do? 2. How can we make a strong statement? How about an 'alternate IGF' or other very visible meeting--simultaneous or not--that constructs a strong IG discussion, instead of simply making the IGF12 a non-meeting. What could be a newsmaker instead of an IGF killer? 3. How would a boycott of IGF12 affect the IGF process, particularly at this point when it seems very vulnerable? What alternatives do we have? As Robert Guerra indicated in an earlier post, we need to work constructively, and in a coordinated way--possibly joining with other stakeholder group(s). I would like to step back and plan a more coherent strategy. With all of the brilliant people on this list, I am sure we can develop a solid framework, learning from the Tunis experience. I look forward to more discussion and ideas. Cheers, Ginger On 4 May 2012 07:34, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Hmmmm... I do not know. But one point is: who are the ones "who are > there"? Sorry, maybe most of you already have plenty of info regarding > this question, unfortunately I do not. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > > On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > > >> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of > >> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a > >> complicated political scenario as foreigners. > > > > > > As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what > they need us to help with. > > > > Are they asking us to boycott? > > > > avri > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sana.pryhod at gmail.com Fri May 4 09:15:23 2012 From: sana.pryhod at gmail.com (Oksana Prykhodko) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:15:23 +0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Hi, I am writing from Ukraine, mentioned above) You are talking about boycott. I would like to know - boycott of whom? If you are talking about boycott of oligarchy (nice ancient word for mafia in power in Post-Soviet world) - it can really work! Please boycott all children of "our" presidents in Western universities, all our "businessmen" at your business lunches, do not give visa to Schengen and USA to "our" VIPs, their wife, their lovers, their children. Block their bank accounts in Western banks! This is the only one mechanism to stop them! Even free and democratic election in such countries can not help - I am speaking about experience of orange revolution in Ukraine( But do not boycott IG event in the country, which can use (of course there is the possibility that it will not use) this tool to approach to direct democracy! The possibility of boycott of soccer craziness in Ukraine leaves me absolutely indifferent. From my taxes I paid more for Euro 2012 then I pay for pensions, and in any case I can not return my money( I (50 years old, female) doubt if this soccer event can teach me something useful for democratic development. But I will be happy to see great IG event in Ukraine - maybe with special workshop (or at least remote participation) from prison, where Julia Timoshenko is tortured just now! Sorry for extra emotions, Best regards, Oksana Prykhodko 2012/5/4 Avri Doria : > > Hi, > > Well I think there may be some distance between meddling and being supportive. > > avri > > On 4 May 2012, at 08:06, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go >> to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. >> >> frt rgds >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>> >>>> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >>>> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >>>> complicated political scenario as foreigners. >>> >>> >>> As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. >>> >>> Are they asking us to boycott? >>> >>> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Fri May 4 09:22:20 2012 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: (message from Oksana Prykhodko on Fri, 4 May 2012 16:15:23 +0300) References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <20120504132220.EFEB72FE@quill.bollow.ch> Dear all, Oksana's points sound very convincing to me. Greetings, Norbert Oksana Prykhodko wrote: > Hi, > > I am writing from Ukraine, mentioned above) > > You are talking about boycott. I would like to know - boycott of whom? > > If you are talking about boycott of oligarchy (nice ancient word for > mafia in power in Post-Soviet world) - it can really work! Please > boycott all children of "our" presidents in Western universities, all > our "businessmen" at your business lunches, do not give visa to > Schengen and USA to "our" VIPs, their wife, their lovers, their > children. Block their bank accounts in Western banks! This is the only > one mechanism to stop them! Even free and democratic election in such > countries can not help - I am speaking about experience of orange > revolution in Ukraine( > > But do not boycott IG event in the country, which can use (of course > there is the possibility that it will not use) this tool to approach > to direct democracy! > > The possibility of boycott of soccer craziness in Ukraine leaves me > absolutely indifferent. From my taxes I paid more for Euro 2012 then > I pay for pensions, and in any case I can not return my money( > > I (50 years old, female) doubt if this soccer event can teach me > something useful for democratic development. But I will be happy to > see great IG event in Ukraine - maybe with special workshop (or at > least remote participation) from prison, where Julia Timoshenko is > tortured just now! > > Sorry for extra emotions, > Best regards, > Oksana Prykhodko > > > > 2012/5/4 Avri Doria : > > > > Hi, > > > > Well I think there may be some distance between meddling and being suppor= > tive. > > > > avri > > > > On 4 May 2012, at 08:06, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > > >> Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go > >> to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. > >> > >> frt rgds > >> > >> --c.a. > >> > >> On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > >>> > >>> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >>> > >>>> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of > >>>> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a > >>>> complicated political scenario as foreigners. > >>> > >>> > >>> As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what= > they need us to help with. > >>> > >>> Are they asking us to boycott? > >>> > >>> avri > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ------------=_1336137251-31001-0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; name="message-footer.txt" > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="message-footer.txt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ------------=_1336137251-31001-0-- > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri May 4 09:25:11 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:25:11 -0300 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <4FA3D8B7.3010508@cafonso.ca> I agree, but authorities in the country might not. Just trying to be careful. --c.a. On 05/04/2012 09:20 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Hi, > > Well I think there may be some distance between meddling and being supportive. > > avri > > On 4 May 2012, at 08:06, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go >> to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. >> >> frt rgds >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>> >>>> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >>>> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >>>> complicated political scenario as foreigners. >>> >>> >>> As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. >>> >>> Are they asking us to boycott? >>> >>> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Fri May 4 10:49:34 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 16:49:34 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C636.9030205@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCC2E@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Thanks Oksana for this (needed) emotianal outcry! wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Oksana Prykhodko Gesendet: Fr 04.05.2012 15:15 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Avri Doria Betreff: Re: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? Hi, I am writing from Ukraine, mentioned above) You are talking about boycott. I would like to know - boycott of whom? If you are talking about boycott of oligarchy (nice ancient word for mafia in power in Post-Soviet world) - it can really work! Please boycott all children of "our" presidents in Western universities, all our "businessmen" at your business lunches, do not give visa to Schengen and USA to "our" VIPs, their wife, their lovers, their children. Block their bank accounts in Western banks! This is the only one mechanism to stop them! Even free and democratic election in such countries can not help - I am speaking about experience of orange revolution in Ukraine( But do not boycott IG event in the country, which can use (of course there is the possibility that it will not use) this tool to approach to direct democracy! The possibility of boycott of soccer craziness in Ukraine leaves me absolutely indifferent. From my taxes I paid more for Euro 2012 then I pay for pensions, and in any case I can not return my money( I (50 years old, female) doubt if this soccer event can teach me something useful for democratic development. But I will be happy to see great IG event in Ukraine - maybe with special workshop (or at least remote participation) from prison, where Julia Timoshenko is tortured just now! Sorry for extra emotions, Best regards, Oksana Prykhodko 2012/5/4 Avri Doria : > > Hi, > > Well I think there may be some distance between meddling and being supportive. > > avri > > On 4 May 2012, at 08:06, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Further, at this point, with the scant info I have, if I decided to go >> to Baku, I would not meddle in the local political situation at all. >> >> frt rgds >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 05/04/2012 08:55 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >>> >>> On 4 May 2012, at 07:51, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >>> >>>> The problem with trying to be supportive by being there is that most of >>>> us do not know details of the political situation to engage in a >>>> complicated political scenario as foreigners. >>> >>> >>> As with previous situations, we find out from those who are there, what they need us to help with. >>> >>> Are they asking us to boycott? >>> >>> avri >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:31:30 2012 From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:01:30 +0430 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Dear all, Read what Azerbaijan's President office's head of Foreign Relations Department told two days ago to Bloomberg, briefly threatening 'to change their pro-western stance and political alliance'...Words are unnecessary... Azerbaijan Blackmails West http://asbarez.com/102706/azerbaijan-blackmails-west/ BAKU—A senior Azeri official told Bloomberg Businessweek that Azerbaijan would rethink what he called its “pro-Western” stance and align itself with “a new bloc” if the West does not amp up its support, especially vis-à-vis the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Azerbaijan wants Europe and the US to pressure Armenia into relinquishing the liberated territories of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. In what was clearly a move to blackmail the West, Novruz Mammadov, head of the presidential office’s foreign-relations department told Bloomberg Businessweek that Azerbaijan had been invited to join another political alliance, without elaborating. “We aren’t paying attention to those proposals for now. But if it continues like this, we may consider it in five to 10 years. We’re expecting help from the West on the Karabakh issue,” Mammedov told Bloomberg in an interview in Baku. Mammadov also rebuked Israel for allegedly breaking an agreement to keep a recent $1.6 billion arms deal with Azerbaijan a secret. Israeli defense officials announced the deal earlier this spring, with Azeri officials confirming the reports. The Azeri officials also noted that the weapons would not be used against Iran, as speculated by Western sources, but rather to bolster its abilities against Armenians. Last month Foreign Policy magazine and other Western media outlets reported that Azerbaijan had turned into an Israeli spy zone and that Baku was allowing Israel to use its airports for possible airstrikes against Iran. Azerbaijan has vehemently rejected that assertion. “We’re the only secular Muslim nation in the world that’s tied its destiny with the West,” Mammadov told Bloomberg. He estimated that about 35 percent of all NATO supplies to Afghanistan transit Azerbaijan. “But we haven’t seen a positive attitude in return.” “Iran’s telling us: Why are you selling your oil to the West? You should sever your relations with the U.S. and Israel because they’re our enemies,” Mammadov told Bloomberg. Regards, Narine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katycarvt at gmail.com Fri May 4 12:38:49 2012 From: katycarvt at gmail.com (Katy P) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:38:49 -0400 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Is there a source for this that isn't Asbarez? (An Armenian political news source.) On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Narine Khachatryan < ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > Read what Azerbaijan's President office's head of Foreign Relations > Department told two days ago to Bloomberg, briefly threatening 'to change > their pro-western stance and political alliance'...Words are unnecessary... > > > > Azerbaijan Blackmails West > > http://asbarez.com/102706/azerbaijan-blackmails-west/ > > BAKU—A senior Azeri official told Bloomberg Businessweek that Azerbaijan > would rethink what he called its “pro-Western” stance and align itself with > “a new bloc” if the West does not amp up its support, especially vis-à-vis > the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. > > Azerbaijan wants Europe and the US to pressure Armenia into relinquishing > the liberated territories of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. > > In what was clearly a move to blackmail the West, Novruz Mammadov, head of > the presidential office’s foreign-relations department told Bloomberg > Businessweek that Azerbaijan had been invited to join another political > alliance, without elaborating. > > “We aren’t paying attention to those proposals for now. But if it > continues like this, we may consider it in five to 10 years. We’re > expecting help from the West on the Karabakh issue,” Mammedov told > Bloomberg in an interview in Baku. > > Mammadov also rebuked Israel for allegedly breaking an agreement to keep a > recent $1.6 billion arms deal with Azerbaijan a secret. Israeli defense > officials announced the deal earlier this spring, with Azeri officials > confirming the reports. The Azeri officials also noted that the weapons > would not be used against Iran, as speculated by Western sources, but > rather to bolster its abilities against Armenians. > > Last month Foreign Policy magazine and other Western media outlets > reported that Azerbaijan had turned into an Israeli spy zone and that Baku > was allowing Israel to use its airports for possible airstrikes against > Iran. Azerbaijan has vehemently rejected that assertion. > > “We’re the only secular Muslim nation in the world that’s tied its destiny > with the West,” Mammadov told Bloomberg. He estimated that about 35 percent > of all NATO supplies to Afghanistan transit Azerbaijan. “But we haven’t > seen a positive attitude in return.” > “Iran’s telling us: Why are you selling your oil to the West? You should > sever your relations with the U.S. and Israel because they’re our enemies,” > Mammadov told Bloomberg. > > > Regards, > Narine > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com Fri May 4 13:13:19 2012 From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:43:19 +0430 Subject: [governance] Rights issues in Azerbaijan / What will CS @ Baku do? In-Reply-To: References: <9E31BF0D-4F90-4592-A946-7E71BEDA3DDC@privaterra.org> <8CEF77D5D51CA35-2334-4C4C@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> <09854141-BEC5-4A3B-A1AC-3E2EE7FFC084@acm.org> <4FA3C2B6.3080908@cafonso.ca> <8A5104B7-2068-43E0-9D0F-04259203D5AC@acm.org> <4FA3C5B2.1010408@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: yes, here is the Bloomberg story: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-30/azerbaijan-may-rethink-pro-western-stance-if-no-karabakh-support.html Azerbaijan May Rethink Pro-Western Stance If No Karabakh Support Azerbaijan may rethink its pro- Western stance and realign with “a new bloc” if it doesn’t get more support, particularly in its conflict with neighboring Armenia , a senior Azeri official said. The Caspian Sea nation wants Europe and the U.S. to pressure Armenia into pulling out of Azeri districts adjacent to the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, according to Novruz Mammadov, head of the presidential office’s foreign-relations department. The country has also been invited to join another political alliance, he added, without elaborating. “We aren’t paying attention to those proposals for now. But if it continues like this, we may consider it in five to 10 years,” Mammadov said today in an interview in the capital, Baku. “We’re expecting help from the West on the Karabakh issue.” The mostly Muslim nation of 9 million people fought a war with Christian Armenia after the Soviet Union broke up in 1991. About 30,000 people were killed and 1 million displaced in the conflict, which left Nagorno-Karabakh, a predominantly ethnic Armenian region previously under Azeri control, in the hands of Armenia. While hostilities largely ended with a Russia-brokered cease-fire in 1994, a peace accord has never been signed. Azerbaijan is the third-largest oil producer in the former Soviet Union after Russia and Kazakhstan, with energy companies including BP Plc (BP/) , Statoil ASA (STL) , Total SA (FP)investing more than $35 billion there since 1992. The government has sent troops to join NATO peacekeeping operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and sells oil to Israel, from whom it also buys weapons. ‘Tied its Destiny’ “We’re the only secular Muslim nation in the world that’s tied its destiny with the West,” said Mammadov, who estimates that about 35 percent of all NATO supplies to Afghanistan transit his country. “But we haven’t seen a positive attitude in return.” While Azerbaijan is also a member of the Commonwealth of Independent States, which unites some former Soviet nations, its closeness to the West has caused “some tension” in relations with Iran, according to Mammadov. “Iran’s telling us: Why are you selling your oil to the West? You should sever your relations with the U.S. and Israel because they’re our enemies,” Mammadov said. He accused some Western media of seeking to stoke tensions between Azerbaijan and Iran after Foreign Policy magazine reported last month that his nation had offered some of its airports to Israel for possible air strikes against Iran, citing unnamed U.S. intelligence agents. Azerbaijan has strongly rejected the report. Mammadov also complained that Israel broke an agreement to keep the $1.6 billion purchase of Israeli weapons secret. To contact the reporter on this story: Zulfugar Agayev in Baku at zagayev at bloomberg.net To contact the editor responsible for this story: Hellmuth Tromm at htromm at bloomberg.net On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Katy P wrote: > Is there a source for this that isn't Asbarez? (An Armenian political news > source.) > > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Narine Khachatryan < > ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Read what Azerbaijan's President office's head of Foreign Relations >> Department told two days ago to Bloomberg, briefly threatening 'to change >> their pro-western stance and political alliance'...Words are unnecessary... >> >> >> >> Azerbaijan Blackmails West >> >> http://asbarez.com/102706/azerbaijan-blackmails-west/ >> >> BAKU—A senior Azeri official told Bloomberg Businessweek that Azerbaijan >> would rethink what he called its “pro-Western” stance and align itself with >> “a new bloc” if the West does not amp up its support, especially vis-à-vis >> the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. >> >> Azerbaijan wants Europe and the US to pressure Armenia into relinquishing >> the liberated territories of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. >> >> In what was clearly a move to blackmail the West, Novruz Mammadov, head >> of the presidential office’s foreign-relations department told Bloomberg >> Businessweek that Azerbaijan had been invited to join another political >> alliance, without elaborating. >> >> “We aren’t paying attention to those proposals for now. But if it >> continues like this, we may consider it in five to 10 years. We’re >> expecting help from the West on the Karabakh issue,” Mammedov told >> Bloomberg in an interview in Baku. >> >> Mammadov also rebuked Israel for allegedly breaking an agreement to keep >> a recent $1.6 billion arms deal with Azerbaijan a secret. Israeli defense >> officials announced the deal earlier this spring, with Azeri officials >> confirming the reports. The Azeri officials also noted that the weapons >> would not be used against Iran, as speculated by Western sources, but >> rather to bolster its abilities against Armenians. >> >> Last month Foreign Policy magazine and other Western media outlets >> reported that Azerbaijan had turned into an Israeli spy zone and that Baku >> was allowing Israel to use its airports for possible airstrikes against >> Iran. Azerbaijan has vehemently rejected that assertion. >> >> “We’re the only secular Muslim nation in the world that’s tied its >> destiny with the West,” Mammadov told Bloomberg. He estimated that about 35 >> percent of all NATO supplies to Afghanistan transit Azerbaijan. “But we >> haven’t seen a positive attitude in return.” >> “Iran’s telling us: Why are you selling your oil to the West? You should >> sever your relations with the U.S. and Israel because they’re our enemies,” >> Mammadov told Bloomberg. >> >> >> Regards, >> Narine >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri May 4 20:35:35 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:35:35 -0700 Subject: [governance] FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites - now Message-ID: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57428067-83/fbi-we-need-wiretap-ready-web-s ites-now/ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sat May 5 04:49:37 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 11:49:37 +0300 Subject: [governance] Google Safari Fine... Message-ID: <4FA4E9A1.8080602@gmail.com> Forden - May 5, 2012 7:01 AM GMT+0300 Facebook Share LinkedIn Google +1 6 Comments Print QUEUE Q Google Inc. (GOOG) is negotiating with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission over how big a fine it will have to pay for its breach of Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s Safari Internet browser, a person familiar with the matter said. The fine could amount to more than $10 million dollars, said the person, who declined to be identified because the talks are confidential. The fine would be the first by the FTC for a violation of Internet privacy as the agency steps up enforcement of consumers’ online rights. Enlarge image Google Said to Face FTC Fine A pedestrian walks past Google Inc. signage displayed at company headquarters in Mountain View, California. Photographer: Tony Avelar/Bloomberg The FTC is preparing to allege that Mountain View, California-based Google deceived consumers and violated terms of a consent decree signed with the commission last year when it planted so-called cookies on Safari, bypassing Apple software’s privacy settings, the person said. “We will of course cooperate with any officials who have questions,” Chris Gaither, a Google spokesman, said in an e- mail, declining to comment further. An FTC spokeswoman, Claudia Bourne Farrell, declined to comment. The cookies allowed Google to bypass Safari’s built-in privacy protections to aim targeted advertising at users of Safari on computers, laptops, iPhones and iPads. Google said at the time that it “didn’t anticipate this would happen” and that it was removing the files since discovering the slip. The Safari breach was first identified by Stanford researcher Jonathan Mayer, who published a blog entry on his discoveries Feb. 16. ‘Unfair and Deceptive’ The FTC is charged with protecting consumers against “unfair and deceptive” practices under the law that created the agency. European regulators are probing Google more broadly on its privacy policy and sent a detailed questionnaire to the company in March. Google signed a consent decree with the FTC last year in which it settled allegations it used deceptive tactics and violated its own privacy policies in introducing the Buzz social-networking service in 2010. The 20-year settlement bars Google from misrepresenting how it handles user information, and requires the company to follow policies that protect consumer data in new products and to submit to regular privacy audits. The FTC has the authority to levy fines for violations of its consent decrees of as much as $16,000 a day for each violation. First-Quarter Revenue Google, the world’s largest Internet search company, on April 12 reported first-quarter revenue of $8.14 billion, excluding sales passed on to partner sites. Profit before certain costs was $10.08 a share. The agency issued its largest fine in a privacy-related case against data broker ChoicePoint Inc. in 2006 for compromises of personal financial records of more than 163,000 consumers. ChoicePoint agreed to pay $10 million in civil penalties and $5 million in consumer redress in a settlement with the FTC. “Google is quickly becoming the privacy problem child for regulators in the U.S. and Europe,” said Jeffrey Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy, which has urged regulators to review the handling of consumer data by companies including Google and Facebook Inc. “The Commission’s work to enforce its consent decree with Google shows there’s a real regulatory cop on the digital beat.” To contact the reporter on this story: Sara Forden in Washington at sforden at bloomberg.net To contact the editor responsible for this story: Michael Hytha at mhytha at bloomberg.net -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat May 5 13:42:27 2012 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 19:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Survey results: Public Interest Representation in Information Society Message-ID: <20120505174227.5E4E52FE@quill.bollow.ch> The results of the 2011 survey on Public Interest Representation in Information Society are available here: http://idgovmap.org/Survey_2011 together with two analysis papers (one by me, one by Elena Pavan). Furthermore, the online Map of Internet Governance is now reasonably complete with regard to the Internet governance fora that have been identified as particulrly important on the basis of these survey results: http://idgovmap.org/map/inst_category/key As a next step, if you have practical experiences in engaging at one or more of these fora, it would be good if you could share what you have learned that can empower others. Each page of the Map has an "Edit source" link that allows you add information and email your modified version to the "editors" of the map, currently Jeremy Malcolm and myself. Don't worry too much about whether the syntax is perfect, we can fix such details, just freely write what you think would be valuable for others to read in preparation for engaging in Internet governance. Many thanks in advance for your contributions to the Map, and also of course my sincere thanks again to all who have responded to the survey. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun May 6 11:20:16 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:20:16 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [IP] Re Speech by ITU Secretary-General - Canadian Wireless Telecommunication Association Wireless Antenna Sitting Forum : Closing Keynote Speech Message-ID: <8CD9D529CE494AD6ADD223BA9F209877@UserVAIO> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bob Frankston Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012 Subject: Re Speech by ITU Secretary-General - Canadian Wireless Telecommunication Association Wireless Antenna Sitting Forum : Closing Keynote Speech To: dave at farber.net "Everyone wants mobile broadband and the benefits it will bring. But few seem willing to pay for it - including both the over-the-top players, who are generating vast new demand through their applications, and consumers, who have become accustomed to unlimited packages." This is a classic problem we see when the old guard confronts a new framing. The ITU may want to reconcile with the Internet but they are living in the wrong paradigm. This is not about whether we are willing to pay for infrastructure, it's about how we pay for it. This is like listening to a railroad magnate trying to figure out how to pay for roads and sidewalks because people aren't willing to buy a ticket each time they take a walk. This is not about capital markets as such. It is simply foolish for anyone to invest in a for-profit telecommunications infrastructure. There may be exceptions, just as there are private roads, but limiting commerce in order to make a roads a profit center make no sense. Today we have a regulatory system which supports profligate redundancy rather than providing capacity but the problems cited show that that model isn't really working for us. The answer is painfully obvious - don't do that. Don't charge for "bits" as if they had value. Instead pay for common infrastructure like we pay for sidewalks. By funding the whole out of the value to society we solve the problem of mapping value to payments. Without the need to keep capacity locked away simply to create billable events we will not only discover that capital markets will open up, we'll find that we have far less need for capital because we can take advantage of the vast capacity already available within the gated world of telecommunications. But how can the ITU find solutions when those solutions challenge their members' business models? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun May 6 11:30:34 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: [governance] Inspiring video from Nigeria's and the development of a voter registration database Message-ID: <133DB10476D94AE7970B81674AA9EA50@UserVAIO> This video clip is well worth looking at. Niyimbi Odera left Google to work for his country -- Nigeria -- and save what the clip says is $100 million in costs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VSdIyo8cuU -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Sun May 6 13:12:20 2012 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF ) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:12:20 +0200 Subject: [governance] Inspiring video from Nigeria's and the development of a voter registration database In-Reply-To: <133DB10476D94AE7970B81674AA9EA50@UserVAIO> References: <133DB10476D94AE7970B81674AA9EA50@UserVAIO> Message-ID: Remarkable story. Thanks for sharing Michael! Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > This video clip is well worth looking at. Niyimbi Odera left Google to work > for his country -- Nigeria -- and save what the clip says is $100 million > in > costs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VSdIyo8cuU > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun May 6 13:38:46 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:46 -0700 Subject: [governance] Inspiring video from Nigeria's and the development of a voter registration database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2453DC6A1CCA4DB192EC76E1330226CC@UserVAIO> Tks Walid, And the question for the IGC/IGF I think, is what IG policies (if any) could enable (or prevent the dis-enabling of) these kinds of developments throughout the non-OECD world. M -----Original Message----- From: Walid AL-SAQAF [mailto:admin at alkasir.com] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:12 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; michael gurstein Subject: Re: [governance] Inspiring video from Nigeria's and the development of a voter registration database Remarkable story. Thanks for sharing Michael! Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, michael gurstein wrote: This video clip is well worth looking at. Niyimbi Odera left Google to work for his country -- Nigeria -- and save what the clip says is $100 million in costs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VSdIyo8cuU ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have forwarded it to the Communications Manager of Kenya's Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission. As you know Kenya is preparing for an election either later this year or early next year under a new constitution. The Electoral Commission may just get ideas from the inspiring video. RegardsGrace > From: gurstein at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 > Subject: [governance] Inspiring video from Nigeria's and the development of a voter registration database > > This video clip is well worth looking at. Niyimbi Odera left Google to work > for his country -- Nigeria -- and save what the clip says is $100 million in > costs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VSdIyo8cuU > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. Congratulations! Asif Kabani Hakikur Rahman Naveed-ul-Haq Shahid Uddin Akbar Wilson Abigaba And the following three persons are the reserves. Thomas Lowenhaupt Devon Blake Dixie Hawtin We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to serve. Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in the reserve pool to join. After that we will select the non-voting Chair. Many thanks, izumi 37 candidates: --------------------- Adam Peake Anriette Esterhuysen Asif Kabani Baudouin Schombe Carlton SAMUELS Charity Gamboa-Embley Deirdre Williams Devon Blake Dixie Hawtin Fouad Baija Ginger Paque Guru Hakikur Rahman Ian Peter Iliya Bazlyankov Jacob Odame Jeremy Hunsinger Jeremy Malcolm Julián Casasbuenas G. Keisha Taylor Ken Stubbs Kerry Brown Lorna Simiyu Madeeha Rehman Michael gurstein Naveed-ul-Haq Norbert Klein Naveed-ul-Haq Shaila Mistry Sonigitu Ekpe Sunil Abraham Tapani Tarvainen Thomas Lowenhaupt Vanda Scartezini VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA Naveed-ul-Haq Zeeshan Shoki ------------ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Mon May 7 09:45:54 2012 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:45:54 -0400 Subject: [governance] New NomCom selected! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA7D212.8020909@communisphere.com> My congratulations to the new NomCom. I was on the previous NomCom and hope you find it as rewarding an experience as I did. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 5/7/2012 9:05 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list > in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from > the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery > closed on Saturday as announced. > > The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. > Congratulations! > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shahid Uddin Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > > And the following three persons are the reserves. > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > > We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to serve. > Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in > the reserve pool to join. > > After that we will select the non-voting Chair. > > Many thanks, > > izumi > > > 37 candidates: > --------------------- > Adam Peake > Anriette Esterhuysen > Asif Kabani > Baudouin Schombe > Carlton SAMUELS > Charity Gamboa-Embley > Deirdre Williams > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > Fouad Baija > Ginger Paque > Guru > Hakikur Rahman > Ian Peter > Iliya Bazlyankov > Jacob Odame > Jeremy Hunsinger > Jeremy Malcolm > Julián Casasbuenas G. > Keisha Taylor > Ken Stubbs > Kerry Brown > Lorna Simiyu > Madeeha Rehman > Michael gurstein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Norbert Klein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shaila Mistry > Sonigitu Ekpe > Sunil Abraham > Tapani Tarvainen > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Vanda Scartezini > VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > Naveed-ul-Haq > Zeeshan Shoki > > ------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards Asif Kabani On 7 May 2012 18:05, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list > in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from > the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery > closed on Saturday as announced. > > The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. > Congratulations! > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shahid Uddin Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > > And the following three persons are the reserves. > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > > We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to > serve. > Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in > the reserve pool to join. > > After that we will select the non-voting Chair. > > Many thanks, > > izumi > > > 37 candidates: > --------------------- > Adam Peake > Anriette Esterhuysen > Asif Kabani > Baudouin Schombe > Carlton SAMUELS > Charity Gamboa-Embley > Deirdre Williams > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > Fouad Baija > Ginger Paque > Guru > Hakikur Rahman > Ian Peter > Iliya Bazlyankov > Jacob Odame > Jeremy Hunsinger > Jeremy Malcolm > Julián Casasbuenas G. > Keisha Taylor > Ken Stubbs > Kerry Brown > Lorna Simiyu > Madeeha Rehman > Michael gurstein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Norbert Klein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shaila Mistry > Sonigitu Ekpe > Sunil Abraham > Tapani Tarvainen > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Vanda Scartezini > VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > Naveed-ul-Haq > Zeeshan Shoki > > ------------ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *P** **Before you print think about the** **ENVIRONMENT* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe congratulations are in order for those selected. Congratulations to the New NOMCOM, I wish us all a great year. Devon Blake On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list > in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from > the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery > closed on Saturday as announced. > > The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. > Congratulations! > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shahid Uddin Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > > And the following three persons are the reserves. > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > > We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to > serve. > Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in > the reserve pool to join. > > After that we will select the non-voting Chair. > > Many thanks, > > izumi > > > 37 candidates: > --------------------- > Adam Peake > Anriette Esterhuysen > Asif Kabani > Baudouin Schombe > Carlton SAMUELS > Charity Gamboa-Embley > Deirdre Williams > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > Fouad Baija > Ginger Paque > Guru > Hakikur Rahman > Ian Peter > Iliya Bazlyankov > Jacob Odame > Jeremy Hunsinger > Jeremy Malcolm > Julián Casasbuenas G. > Keisha Taylor > Ken Stubbs > Kerry Brown > Lorna Simiyu > Madeeha Rehman > Michael gurstein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Norbert Klein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shaila Mistry > Sonigitu Ekpe > Sunil Abraham > Tapani Tarvainen > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Vanda Scartezini > VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > Naveed-ul-Haq > Zeeshan Shoki > > ------------ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Devon Blake Special Projects Director Earthwise Solutions Limited 29 Dominica Drive Kgn 5 ,Phone: Office 876-968-4534, Mobile, 876-483-2632 To be kind, To be helpful, To network *Earthwise ... For Life!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 8 01:43:07 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:43:07 +0900 Subject: [governance] New NomCom - Confirmation and Erratta Message-ID: Dear all, First, I like to announce that all five selected members accepted to be the NomCom. So we will proceed to nominate the non-voting Chair, together with Sala. I also have to mention that the 37 candidate list I attached had some errors. Mr. Naveed-ul-Haq's name appears three times, though that was not the data used for the random selection. When pasting the list to the email, I made some mistakes and pasted his name twice more. It did not affect the outcome of the draw. MRs. Wilson Abigaba and Shahid Uddin Akbar 's names were replaced accidentaly by Naveed. Note they were all selected, that's part of why I pasted Naveed's name over two others while trying to erase some color marks on the excel sheet. The right slate used is as follows. Please accept my sincere apology, izumi ---------- 1 Adam Peake 2 Anriette Esterhuysen 3 Asif Kabani 4 Baudouin Schombe 5 Carlton SAMUELS 6 Charity Gamboa-Embley 7 Deirdre Williams 8 Devon Blake 9 Dixie Hawtin 10 Fouad Baija 11 Ginger Paque 12 Guru 13 Hakikur Rahman 14 Ian Peter 15 Iliya Bazlyankov 16 Jacob Odame 17 Jeremy Hunsinger 18 Jeremy Malcolm 19 Julián Casasbuenas G. 20 Keisha Taylor 21 Ken Stubbs 22 Kerry Brown 23 Lorna Simiyu 24 Madeeha Rehman 25 Michael gurstein 26 Naveed-ul-Haq 27 Norbert Klein 28 Shahid Uddin Akbar 29 Shaila Mistry 30 Sonigitu Ekpe 31 Sunil Abraham 32 Tapani Tarvainen 33 Thomas Lowenhaupt 34 Vanda Scartezini 35 VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA 36 Wilson Abigaba 37 Zeeshan Shoki 2012/5/7 Izumi AIZU : > Dear list, > > Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list > in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from > the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery > closed on Saturday as announced. > > The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. > Congratulations! > > Asif Kabani > Hakikur Rahman > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shahid Uddin Akbar > Wilson Abigaba > > And the following three persons are the reserves. > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > > We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to serve. > Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in > the reserve pool to join. > > After that we will select the non-voting Chair. > > Many thanks, > > izumi > > > 37 candidates: > --------------------- > Adam Peake > Anriette Esterhuysen > Asif Kabani > Baudouin Schombe > Carlton SAMUELS > Charity Gamboa-Embley > Deirdre Williams > Devon Blake > Dixie Hawtin > Fouad Baija > Ginger Paque > Guru > Hakikur Rahman > Ian Peter > Iliya Bazlyankov > Jacob Odame > Jeremy Hunsinger > Jeremy Malcolm > Julián Casasbuenas G. > Keisha Taylor > Ken Stubbs > Kerry Brown > Lorna Simiyu > Madeeha Rehman > Michael gurstein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Norbert Klein > Naveed-ul-Haq > Shaila Mistry > Sonigitu Ekpe > Sunil Abraham > Tapani Tarvainen > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Vanda Scartezini > VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > Naveed-ul-Haq > Zeeshan Shoki > > ------------ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Tue May 8 02:25:47 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 23:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] New NomCom - Confirmation and Erratta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336458347.68567.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Congratulation to new NomCom and both friends from Pakistan Naveed and Asif. Wish all of you best of luck.   Regards   Imran Ahmed Shah >________________________________ > From: Izumi AIZU >To: governance >Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 10:43 >Subject: [governance] New NomCom - Confirmation and Erratta > >Dear all, > >First, I like to announce that all five selected members accepted to >be the NomCom. >So we will proceed to nominate the non-voting Chair, together with Sala. > >I also have to mention that the 37 candidate list I attached had some errors. > >Mr. Naveed-ul-Haq's name appears three times, though that was not the >data used for the random selection. When pasting the list to the >email, I made some mistakes and pasted his name twice more. > >It did not affect the outcome of the draw. > >MRs. Wilson Abigaba and Shahid Uddin Akbar >'s names were replaced accidentaly by Naveed. >Note they were all selected, that's part of why I pasted Naveed's name >over two others while trying to erase some color marks on the excel >sheet. > >The right slate used is as follows. >Please accept my sincere apology, > >izumi > >---------- > >1    Adam Peake >2    Anriette Esterhuysen >3    Asif Kabani >4    Baudouin Schombe >5    Carlton SAMUELS >6    Charity Gamboa-Embley >7    Deirdre Williams >8    Devon Blake >9    Dixie Hawtin >10    Fouad Baija >11    Ginger Paque >12    Guru >13    Hakikur Rahman >14    Ian Peter >15    Iliya Bazlyankov >16    Jacob Odame >17    Jeremy Hunsinger >18    Jeremy Malcolm >19    Julián Casasbuenas G. >20    Keisha Taylor >21    Ken Stubbs >22    Kerry Brown >23    Lorna Simiyu >24    Madeeha Rehman >25    Michael gurstein >26    Naveed-ul-Haq >27    Norbert Klein >28    Shahid Uddin Akbar >29    Shaila Mistry >30    Sonigitu Ekpe >31    Sunil Abraham >32    Tapani Tarvainen >33    Thomas Lowenhaupt >34    Vanda Scartezini >35    VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA >36    Wilson Abigaba >37    Zeeshan Shoki > > > >2012/5/7 Izumi AIZU : >> Dear list, >> >> Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list >> in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from >> the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery >> closed on Saturday as announced. >> >> The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. >> Congratulations! >> >> Asif Kabani >> Hakikur Rahman >> Naveed-ul-Haq >> Shahid Uddin Akbar >> Wilson Abigaba >> >> And the following three persons are the reserves. >> >> Thomas Lowenhaupt >> Devon Blake >> Dixie Hawtin >> >> We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to serve. >> Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people in >> the reserve pool to join. >> >> After that we will select the non-voting Chair. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> izumi >> >> >> 37 candidates: >> --------------------- >> Adam Peake >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Asif Kabani >> Baudouin Schombe >> Carlton SAMUELS >> Charity Gamboa-Embley >> Deirdre Williams >> Devon Blake >> Dixie Hawtin >> Fouad Baija >> Ginger Paque >> Guru >> Hakikur Rahman >> Ian Peter >> Iliya Bazlyankov >> Jacob Odame >> Jeremy Hunsinger >> Jeremy Malcolm >> Julián Casasbuenas G. >> Keisha Taylor >> Ken Stubbs >> Kerry Brown >> Lorna Simiyu >> Madeeha Rehman >> Michael gurstein >> Naveed-ul-Haq >> Norbert Klein >> Naveed-ul-Haq >> Shaila Mistry >> Sonigitu Ekpe >> Sunil Abraham >> Tapani Tarvainen >> Thomas Lowenhaupt >> Vanda Scartezini >> VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA >> Naveed-ul-Haq >> Zeeshan Shoki >> >> ------------ > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Bill On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > Hello, > > As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 > > It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf of civil society, the IGC should do the same. > > Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass the request along to governments etc… > > Best, > > Bill > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue May 8 03:06:54 2012 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:06:54 +0900 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could you give a pointer to the agenda. Thanks, Adam On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft program > has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules of engagement > for other attendees…? > > Best, > > Bill > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > > Hello, > > As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on 18 May > in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG meeting. > http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 > > It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to intervene and > contribute freely (but strategically) during this consultation, rather than > have to sit silently on the sidelines or be relegated to collective brief > interventions at the end of each session. I imagine that ICC (business) > and ISOC (TC) will be contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a > request. On behalf of civil society, the IGC should do the same. > > Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the > co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph letter to > Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do it sooner than > later, as the secretariat would then need to pass the request along to > governments etc… > > Best, > > Bill > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 8 03:55:37 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:55:37 +0100 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 16:06:54 on Tue, 8 May 2012, Adam Peake writes >Could you give a pointer to the agenda. http://www.unctad.org/meetings/en/SessionalDocuments/cstd2012d01_WSISprog.pdf >On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake >wrote: > Hi > > Just wondering if we want to do anything about this?  The draft > program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules > of engagement for other attendees…? > Best, > Bill > On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > Hello, > As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation >> on 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >> meeting.  http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>   >> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines >> or be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of >> each session.  I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will >> be contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request.  On >> behalf of civil society, the IGC should do the same. > Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that >> the co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two >> paragraph letter to Mongi to this effect?  Probably it would be >> better to do it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then >> need to pass the request along to governments etc… > Best, > Bill > *************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow & Lecturer >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> william.drake at uzh.ch >> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >> www.williamdrake.org >> **************************************************** > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Tue May 8 04:08:13 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 10:08:13 +0200 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA8D46D.4040005@apc.org> Dear Bill, Adam and all The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. Anriette 11:00- 13:00 Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications 15:00- 18:00 General discussion On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: > Could you give a pointer to the agenda. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake > wrote: > > Hi > > Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft > program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules > of engagement for other attendees…? > > Best, > > Bill > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >> meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >> >> >> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >> >> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >> the request along to governments etc… >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> *************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow & Lecturer >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> william.drake at uzh.ch >> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >> >> www.williamdrake.org >> **************************************************** >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kabani.asif at gmail.com Tue May 8 06:26:54 2012 From: kabani.asif at gmail.com (Kabani) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:26:54 +0500 Subject: [governance] New NomCom - Confirmation and Erratta In-Reply-To: <1336458347.68567.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1336458347.68567.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Izumi Thank you for sharing the updated correction of list. Good to hear from. Dear Imran and Friends, Thank you all for the best wishes. Sincerely Asif Kabani On 8 May 2012 11:25, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Congratulation to new NomCom and both friends from Pakistan Naveed and > Asif. > Wish all of you best of luck. > > Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > *From:* Izumi AIZU > *To:* governance > *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 10:43 > *Subject:* [governance] New NomCom - Confirmation and Erratta > > Dear all, > > First, I like to announce that all five selected members accepted to > be the NomCom. > So we will proceed to nominate the non-voting Chair, together with Sala. > > I also have to mention that the 37 candidate list I attached had some > errors. > > Mr. Naveed-ul-Haq's name appears three times, though that was not the > data used for the random selection. When pasting the list to the > email, I made some mistakes and pasted his name twice more. > > It did not affect the outcome of the draw. > > MRs. Wilson Abigaba and Shahid Uddin Akbar > 's names were replaced accidentaly by Naveed. > Note they were all selected, that's part of why I pasted Naveed's name > over two others while trying to erase some color marks on the excel > sheet. > > The right slate used is as follows. > Please accept my sincere apology, > > izumi > > ---------- > > 1 Adam Peake > 2 Anriette Esterhuysen > 3 Asif Kabani > 4 Baudouin Schombe > 5 Carlton SAMUELS > 6 Charity Gamboa-Embley > 7 Deirdre Williams > 8 Devon Blake > 9 Dixie Hawtin > 10 Fouad Baija > 11 Ginger Paque > 12 Guru > 13 Hakikur Rahman > 14 Ian Peter > 15 Iliya Bazlyankov > 16 Jacob Odame > 17 Jeremy Hunsinger > 18 Jeremy Malcolm > 19 Julián Casasbuenas G. > 20 Keisha Taylor > 21 Ken Stubbs > 22 Kerry Brown > 23 Lorna Simiyu > 24 Madeeha Rehman > 25 Michael gurstein > 26 Naveed-ul-Haq > 27 Norbert Klein > 28 Shahid Uddin Akbar > 29 Shaila Mistry > 30 Sonigitu Ekpe > 31 Sunil Abraham > 32 Tapani Tarvainen > 33 Thomas Lowenhaupt > 34 Vanda Scartezini > 35 VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > 36 Wilson Abigaba > 37 Zeeshan Shoki > > > > 2012/5/7 Izumi AIZU : > > Dear list, > > > > Among the 38 volunteers for NomCom, one person joined IGC mailing list > > in less than two months ago, thus I made the lottery draw selection from > > the following 37 candidates using the results of the last week's lottery > > closed on Saturday as announced. > > > > The following five persons are selected as New NomCom members. > > Congratulations! > > > > Asif Kabani > > Hakikur Rahman > > Naveed-ul-Haq > > Shahid Uddin Akbar > > Wilson Abigaba > > > > And the following three persons are the reserves. > > > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > > Devon Blake > > Dixie Hawtin > > > > We will first confirm the five selected persons if they are willing to > serve. > > Hope all five will accept the result. If not, we need to ask the people > in > > the reserve pool to join. > > > > After that we will select the non-voting Chair. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > izumi > > > > > > 37 candidates: > > --------------------- > > Adam Peake > > Anriette Esterhuysen > > Asif Kabani > > Baudouin Schombe > > Carlton SAMUELS > > Charity Gamboa-Embley > > Deirdre Williams > > Devon Blake > > Dixie Hawtin > > Fouad Baija > > Ginger Paque > > Guru > > Hakikur Rahman > > Ian Peter > > Iliya Bazlyankov > > Jacob Odame > > Jeremy Hunsinger > > Jeremy Malcolm > > Julián Casasbuenas G. > > Keisha Taylor > > Ken Stubbs > > Kerry Brown > > Lorna Simiyu > > Madeeha Rehman > > Michael gurstein > > Naveed-ul-Haq > > Norbert Klein > > Naveed-ul-Haq > > Shaila Mistry > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Sunil Abraham > > Tapani Tarvainen > > Thomas Lowenhaupt > > Vanda Scartezini > > VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA > > Naveed-ul-Haq > > Zeeshan Shoki > > > > ------------ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *P** **Before you print think about the** **ENVIRONMENT* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How about Amazon, Apple, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, and the likes of ACTA, SOPA, etc. ? Open and multi-stakeholder, is it ? The White House dialectic is skirting major stakes. - - - On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > ** > " Central to the Internet’s value as a platform for innovation, > democracy, access to information and scientific progress are the technical > standards on which it is built and the open manner in which it is > governed. Yet, there are governments that seek to alter the fundamental > way the Internet functions. Several governments recently called for new > treaty http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/02/ensuring-open-internet > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have received a number of requests to extend this deadline to allow more individuals and entities to put their applications, as some found this window relatively insufficient to coordinate within their respective entities/constituencies. Hence, and in order to ensure better representation of all stakeholders in the region, we are therefore extending the deadline for submitting applications for one week *till Tuesday 15 May*, and will update the website accordingly. Best Regards, Arab IGF Secretariat _______________________________________________ list mailing list list at igfarab.org http://igfarab.org/mailman/listinfo/list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Tue May 8 11:10:58 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:10:58 -0700 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FA8D46D.4040005@apc.org> Message-ID: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva Dear Bill, Adam and all The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. Anriette 11:00- 13:00 Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications 15:00- 18:00 General discussion On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: > Could you give a pointer to the agenda. > > Thanks, > > Adam > > > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake > wrote: > > Hi > > Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft > program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules > of engagement for other attendees…? > > Best, > > Bill > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >> meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >> >> >> >> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >> >> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >> the request along to governments etc… >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> *************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow & Lecturer >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> william.drake at uzh.ch >> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >> >> www.williamdrake.org >> **************************************************** >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Tue May 8 11:53:59 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:53:59 +0300 Subject: [governance] New Legislation Would Give Power to Keyboard Cops Message-ID: <4FA94197.8010109@gmail.com> [The Great Fall of Liberty?] New Legislation Would Give Power to Keyboard Cops By Naomi Wolf, The Daily Star 07 May 12 lmost no one had read the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act before it was rushed through the United States House of Representatives in late April and sent on to the Senate. CISPA is the successor to SOPA, the "anti-piracy" bill that was recently defeated after an outcry from citizens and Internet companies. SOPA, which was framed by its proponents in terms of protecting America's entertainment industry from theft, would have shackled content providers and users, and spawned copycat legislation around the world, from Canada and the United Kingdom to Israel and Australia. Now, with CISPA, the clampdown on Internet freedom comes in the guise of a bill aimed at cyber terrorism that should give Internet entrepreneurs - and all business leaders - nightmares. And yet, this time, major Internet and technology companies, including Facebook and Microsoft, supported the bill, on the grounds that it would create a clear procedure for handling government requests for information. Microsoft, at least, belatedly dropped its support after recognizing that the law would allow the U.S. government to force any Internet business to hand over information about its users' online activities. But the bill is far more alarming than that. For example, "the head of a department or agency of the Federal Government receiving cyber threat information ... shall provide such cyber threat information to the National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center of the Department of Homeland Security." In fact, no actual threat need be made. And what counts as "threat information" is defined so broadly that it can mean anything. "Notwithstanding any other provision of law," the government may rely on "cybersecurity systems to identify and obtain cyber threat information." The vague concept of "cyber threat information" does not just let the Department of Homeland Security investigate anyone. By including information pertaining to "a vulnerability of a system or network of a government or private entity," and the "theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information," the bill appears to target whistleblowers and leakers, and threatens investigative journalism. The respected Internet technology site Techdirt has called the bill "insanity." It has written that "CISPA can no longer be called a cybersecurity bill at all. The government would be able to search information ... for the purposes of investigating American citizens with complete immunity from all privacy protections as long as [it] can claim someone committed a ‘cybersecurity crime.'" Indeed, the Department of Homeland Security may look through data transmitted online without restraint, regardless of what it ultimately finds. And, in this respect, business leaders who believe that this bill is aimed at terrorists - or "at most" at the domestic activists and documentarians who can make it harder for them to operate - should be careful about what they wish for. Indeed, because the definition of cyberterrorism is so broad and subjective, U.S. business leaders who are pushing for CISPA risk exposing themselves to the Department of Homeland Security's power to scrutinize their personal lives, subpoena their bank records, and disrupt their electronic communications. And the law would give the Department of Homeland Security similar control over the personal and financial lives of anyone who does business in the United States or with American companies - a power that the U.S. government has already tried to assert by issuing a subpoena for Icelandic legislator Birgitta Jonsdottir's personal bank records. Everyone has secrets: love affairs, substance-abuse problems, mental-health diagnoses, heterodox sexual preferences or questionable discussions with accountants. In a strong civil society, these personal matters properly remain private. In a surveillance society, they become leverage. I am fearful of the effects of unrestrained domestic surveillance for specific reasons: I worked in two U.S. presidential campaigns, and saw firsthand the standard tactics - nonviolent but still mafia-inflected - of high-level politics. There was no shortage of privately contracted surveillance and wiretapping. Campaigns routinely planted spies - interns, household staff or even lovers - in the opposing camp, and devoted vast numbers of man-hours to combing through private records in opposition research. The results were then regularly used behind the scenes to bully, intimidate and coerce targets. Most of these "scandals" never saw the light of day - the goal was pressure, not disclosure. CISPA would give the same power to the Department of Homeland Security. America's business leaders may think that they are immune, but the bill's definition of "a threat" is so vague - with no distinction between a "threat" to the Internet and any random, even metaphorical "threat" on the Internet - that the Department of Homeland Security may keep tabs on anyone who says something that irks someone in a cubicle. If CISPA enters into U.S. law, alongside the recently enacted National Defense Authorization Act - which gives the government the power to detain any American for anything forever - fundamental civil liberties will be threatened in a way that no democracy can tolerate. And because so much of the freedom of the Internet around the world derives from the freedom of expression that until recently characterized the U.S., enactment of CISPA poses a similar threat around the world. The good news is that President Barack Obama has vowed to veto CISPA. The bad news is that he made - and then broke - a similar vow on the National Defense Authorization Act. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Tue May 8 14:28:06 2012 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:28:06 -0400 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> References: <4FA8D46D.4040005@apc.org> <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> Message-ID: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:10 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS > perspective are twofold: > 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take > place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, > accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the > WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented > as a declaration and within a framing document. > 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is > what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these > within the context of Internet governance. > I believe that once democracy is adopted as a normative framework (it can hardly be denied, so it can only be ignored at worst), then it follows that all the "stakeholder" stuff can at most only be seen as an intermediate and transition-state to real democracy. The existence of "stakeholders" along with their necessarily limited numbers creates the existence of non-stakeholders, who have neither a vote nor a voice. In the event any civil society group purports to informally "represent" the public, and assuming they somehow succeed in that, the public in a stakeholder situation then only has one vote, and is drowned out by all of the other private special interests represented at the "stakeholder" table. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed May 9 03:26:45 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:26:45 +0100 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> References: <4FA8D46D.4040005@apc.org> <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> Message-ID: In message <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD at UserVAIO>, at 08:10:58 on Tue, 8 May 2012, michael gurstein writes >It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: > 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, >accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be >presented as a declaration and within a framing document. > 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving >these within the context of Internet governance. As far as I can see (but I wasn't in Tunis for WSIS) the process of Enhanced CoOperation [Tunis 69-71] could be re-stated as : 1) The Capacity Building of Governments, so that they can introduce laws (but not about day-to-day operations) which are based upon an understanding the issues, not ignorance of them. 2) Separately, a group of "relevant organisations" should develop public policy principles applicable to Critical Internet Resources. You can get an idea of the "relevant organisations" from the reports[1] which have been previously requested and supplied to the CSTD, and their existing policy development processes are intended to be "enhanced" to cover part 2. The IGF looks like a suitable venue for part 1, and given the list of Intergovernmental venues already in part 2, what's left are regional organisations and the UN [eg ECOSOC]. Relevant capacity building can be done by judicious lobbying from well intentioned bystanders, although not all of the "relevant organisations" currently embrace "all stakeholders" (even in a "role" of well intentioned bystander). [1] #A3: viz ICANN, ITU, W3C CoE, ISOC, OECD, UNESCO, WIPO, NRO, IETF. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed May 9 08:19:59 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:19:59 +0900 Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair Message-ID: Dear list, Now that all five NomCom candidates accepted the selection, we need to finalize the non-voting Chair. The Charter says in http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process "A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously." So, first we like to ask you to provide your advice, suggestions, for the Chair, preferably someone served in previous nomcoms. Unfortunately, I do not have the list of all the previous NomCom members and I am afraid I need to go all the archives to find them which is prohibitively time-consuming for me. Instead, I rely on your wisdom. Please make your advice based on your own knowledge. Nomination or self-nomination is appreciated. If you think it's better to keep it confidential, you can send your nomination directly to either myself or Sala. We also like to make some lessons learned from the last NomCom to be implemented for the next round, and suggest you to read their Report and Cover Letter, as attached. Among them, I think the following suggestions are worth to consider. We like to hear your comments on these as well before making the final nomination of the Chair. We are open to any other advice or suggestions, Thank you, izumi --------- - In addition to the randomly selected members, include two experienced non-voting Co Chairs or Coordinators who would be responsible for guiding and ensuring the process is integral and all communications reach NomCom team members. Having two chairs will preclude instances where the experienced non-voting member becomes unavailable." - Duties and responsibilities of Chairs and of members should be made clear at the outset of NomCom selection. 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The consultation was jointly organized by Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio & Communication (BNNRC), Monthly Computer Jagat and Angkur ICT Development Foundation in Collaboration with Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) Mr. Hasnul Haque Inu, MP, Chairman, Parliamentary Standing Committee on Ministry of Post & Tele Communication joined as the Chief Guest, while Major General Zia Ahmed,PSC (Rtd.) Chairman, Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) participated as the Special Guest of the meeting. Dr.Akram Hossain Chowdhury, MP and Chairman, Center for E-Parliament Research moderated the program. In his speech as Chief Guest Mr.Hasanul Haq Inu, MP told that this consultation would contribute and play important role on the eve of 7thInternet Governance Forum.We need to review now our achievement in Digital Bangladesh. We need to revise some of the policy aspects in relevance to Digital progress. I personally believe that access to broadband internet is our constitutional right. He claimed to exempt 15% VAT on internet and demanded zero-taxation on all other ICT equipment. Maj. General (Rtd.) Zia Ahmed, PSC told that the profits of lowering the price of Internet Bandwidth yet not reached to common people .If we could ensure this scope to the common people ,it would accelerate the implementation of Digital Bangladesh vision. We are working to cover the wider community in future Bangladesh. At the outset of the consultation, Mr.AHM Bazlur Rahman, Chief Executive Officer of Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio & Communication (BNNRC) welcomed all the participants and invited opinion and recommendations from them. Two presentations were made dealing with WSIS Goals and broadband issues, by Reza Salim, Director, Amader Gram ICT for Development Project and Lieutenant Colonel Md.Rakibul Hasan, Director (Systems & Services) of Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC). Among others Md.Faizullah Khan, President , Bangladesh Computer Somity(BCS) , Shamim Ahsan, Ex-vice president of BASIS, S M Altaf Hossain, Managing Director of DRIK-ICT, Ms. Nazneen Nahar, Editor, Monthly Techworld Bangladesh also took part in the consultation by putting forward their valuable opinion and comments . Bazlu _______________________ AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR Chief Executive Officer Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) [NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council] & Head, Community Radio Academy House: 13/1, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207 Bangladesh Phone: +88-02-9130750, +88-02-9138501, Cell: +88 01711881647 Fax: 88-02-9138501-105, E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net, bnnr cbd at gmail.com www.bnnrc.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed May 9 09:14:38 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:14:38 +0900 Subject: [governance] 2012 Asia Pacific Regional IGF CFP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear CS IGC members, I am pleased to share this CFP for the APrIGF to be held in Tokyo, July 18-20. An optional study tour to the Tohoku Devastated Area is also being prepared, July 21-22. Lessons learned from the last year's quake and tsunami disasters will be reported from local people, am working hard on this event, too. izumi -------------- Call for Participation: 2012 Asia Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum Venue: Aoyama Gakuin University, Tokyo, Japan Date: 18-20 July 2012 Theme: Development of the Internet as a Robust Infrastructure Important issues of Internet governance must be addressed if we are to ensure the continued successful deployment and development of the Internet. Globally, the Asia-Pacific region has seen the fastest growth of the Internet in recent years. Particularly in China, India and Indonesia, the first, second and fourth most populous countries on the planet –the USA is third– the Internet's rate of growth has been dramatic. It was the consumption of IP addresses in the Asia-Pacific that triggered the final release of IPv4 addresses at the global level by IANA (Internet Assigned Numbers Authority).  And yet there are still vast areas of the region where the Internet has yet to penetrate. IPv6 is now the route to future Internet use. But what must be done to facilitate this transition to IPv6? Meanwhile, the borderless nature of the Internet and the potential extra-territorial impact of domestic legislative action were highlighted earlier this year when the U.S. proposed tough laws aimed at preventing the theft of copyright materials online; laws which would have made Internet users world-wide vulnerable to U.S. law. The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA) were proposed, but action by citizens and businesses stopped them becoming law. Some are now concerned that new domestic legislation, such as the U.S. Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) may have a similar global impact as international treaties, such as Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) or pending Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP). On the technical front, our use of smart phones and the development of increasingly sophisticated software on the Internet means that communication over data networks is rapidly displacing traditional telecommunications in use and therefore also as a source of profits. The ongoing struggle over control of the Internet can therefore only intensify. How should this be played out? These are just three of the significant issues concerning the laws and policies governing the Internet, or Internet governance, that will be discussed at the Third Asia Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum, to be held in Tokyo, Japan 18-20 July. Please join the Forum and please respond to this call for contributions to the Forum programme.  Outcomes from the APrIGF will be presented at the 7th Global IGF to be held in Baku, Azerbaijan, 6-9 November 2012. This third APrIGF follows earlier meetings held in Hong Kong (2010) and Singapore (2011). Information about past APrIGFs can be found on the Forum's website:  http://2012.rigf.asia/ The Third APrIGF will discuss a wide range of Internet governance issues, for example: •       Cybersecurity, privacy and data protection •       The use of the Internet and other communication technologies in disasters and emergencies •       Child safety online •       Transition to IPv6 •       Influence of SOPA/PIPA/ACTA, and other legislation •       Freedom of expression and Internet democracy •       New top level domain names and their impact on the Asia Pacific •       Impact of the transition from voice to data on the network There are several ways for you to participate: •       submit a panel proposal of four presenters, •       volunteer to be a speaker, •       join as a hosting or supporting organization, and •       participating in the meeting. Proposals for panels to discuss these and other Internet governance-related issues are welcome. Each panel lasts 90 minutes with time for Q&A and should present the proposed issue in an inclusive manner, incorporating a multi-stakeholder perspective. Send your proposals of not more than 600 words, with the full name and contact details of the presenters and an abstract of each presentation to proposals at aprigf.asia. The deadline for submission is May 24 11:59 pm. If you are volunteering as a speaker, send your name, contact details, subject area and a short statement outlining your expertise to proposals at aprigf.asia.  Successful applicants will be contacted by the end of May, and an announcement made on the Forum website. We welcome any Internet-related organization that wishes to become a supporting organization.  Please contact msg at aprigf.asia for more information. Organized by: Asia Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum Multistakeholder Steering Group (MSG) Chair: Peng Hwa Ang Secretariat: Dot.Asia Organization/Japan Internet Providers Association msg at aprigf.asia http://2012.rigf.asia/ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ceo at bnnrc.net Wed May 9 09:21:59 2012 From: ceo at bnnrc.net (AHM Bazlur Rahman) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:21:59 +0600 Subject: [governance] Bangladesh Consultation on 7th IGF, WSIS+10 & Broadband Targets for 2015 of Broadband Commission Message-ID: *Bangladesh Consultation on * *7th IGF, WSIS+10 & Broadband Targets for 2015 of Broadband Commission* A Multi-Stakeholders 'Consultation on 7th Internet Governance Forum(IGF) , World Summit on the Information Society Forum 2012 (WSIS+10) & Broadband Commission for Digital Development’s broad Band action plan was organized at Conference Room of Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) on 7th May 2012 in Dhaka, Bangladesh. The consultation was jointly organized by Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio & Communication (BNNRC), Monthly Computer Jagat and Angkur ICT Development Foundation in Collaboration with Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) Mr. Hasnul Haque Inu, MP, Chairman, Parliamentary Standing Committee on Ministry of Post & Tele Communication joined as the Chief Guest, while Major General Zia Ahmed,PSC (Rtd.) Chairman, Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) participated as the Special Guest of the meeting. Dr.Akram Hossain Chowdhury, MP and Chairman, Center for E-Parliament Research moderated the program. In his speech as Chief Guest Mr.Hasanul Haq Inu, MP told that this consultation would contribute and play important role on the eve of 7th Internet Governance Forum.We need to review now our achievement in Digital Bangladesh. We need to revise some of the policy aspects in relevance to Digital progress. I personally believe that access to broadband internet is our constitutional right. He claimed to exempt 15% VAT on internet and demanded zero-taxation on all other ICT equipment. Maj. General (Rtd.) Zia Ahmed, PSC told that the profits of lowering the price of Internet Bandwidth yet not reached to common people .If we could ensure this scope to the common people ,it would accelerate the implementation of Digital Bangladesh vision. We are working to cover the wider community in future Bangladesh. At the outset of the consultation, Mr.AHM Bazlur Rahman, Chief Executive Officer of Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio & Communication (BNNRC) welcomed all the participants and invited opinion and recommendations from them. Two presentations were made dealing with WSIS Goals and broadband issues, by Reza Salim, Director, Amader Gram ICT for Development Project and Lieutenant Colonel Md.Rakibul Hasan, Director (Systems & Services) of Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC). Among others Md.Faizullah Khan, President , Bangladesh Computer Somity(BCS) , Shamim Ahsan, Ex-vice president of BASIS, S M Altaf Hossain, Managing Director of DRIK-ICT, Ms. Nazneen Nahar, Editor, Monthly Techworld Bangladesh also took part in the consultation by putting forward their valuable opinion and comments . Bazlu _______________________ AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR Chief Executive Officer Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) [NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council] & Head, Community Radio Academy House: 13/1, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207 Bangladesh Phone: +88-02-9130750 <%2B88-02-9130750>, +88-02-9138501 <%2B88-02-9138501>, Cell: +88 01711881647 Fax: 88-02-9138501-105, E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net, bnnr cbd at gmail.com www.bnnrc.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed May 9 09:40:48 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:10:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> Message-ID: <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the larger CS involved with IG. > 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by the values that you mention. > 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it must be spelt out. Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the right body for global governance of the global internet, which is fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not acceptable. parminder > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM > To:governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > > Dear Bill, Adam and all > > The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. > > Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. > > I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). > > A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. > > And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. > > I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. > > Anriette > > 11:00- > 13:00 > Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications > 15:00- > 18:00 > General discussion > > On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: > >> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake> > wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft >> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules >> of engagement for other attendees…? >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>> meeting.http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>> >>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >>> the request along to governments etc… >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> *************************************************** >>> William J. Drake >>> International Fellow& Lecturer >>> Media Change& Innovation Division, IPMZ >>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>> >>> www.williamdrake.org >>> **************************************************** >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed May 9 10:03:08 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 16:03:08 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Parminder: UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it must be spelt out. Wolfgang: The Problem with the OECD MS model is, that it evolved from an existing (intergovernmental) structure. It did not create a new body. It just added to an IGO with one existing advisory committee to other advisory committees (CS and TC). This was good. But .- as you can see in the drafting of the Internet policy Making guidelines document - not good enough. There is no mechanism how the advisory bodies are directly involved into the decision making procedure. Remember the Internet Governance definition whre "shared decsion making procedures" are mentioned as a key element similar to the involvement of the various stakeholders in their respective roles. If a new (UN) body should be created to fill a (possible) gap in the existing global Internet Governance Ecosystem, such a new body has to go beyond "advisory committees" and introduce a mechanism which follows the definition of "shared decision making". This would be new, but this is what is needed. We need here innovation and creativity in internaitonal politics. WGIG is a good example that this can work. The UNCSTD IGF Improvement WG has also demonstrated that it can be done. If a renewed CIRP proposal follows the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of Committments". -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Wed May 9 10:07:36 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336572456.51449.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just for reference, the some previous NomCom Results are as follows:   NOMCOM 2007 (Draw Dec 2006)      Bret Fausett     Milton Mueller     Maja Andjelkovic     Adam Peake     Ralf Bendrath   NOMCOM 2008 (Draw Dec 2007)          Gurumurthy K     Ian Peter     Robert Guerra     Rudi Rusdiah     Hakikur Rahman   NOMCOM 2011 (Draw June 2011)     Antonio Medina Gómez     Carlos Watson     Shaila Mistry     Vincent Solomon     Rajendra Poudel   >________________________________ > From: Izumi AIZU >To: governance >Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 17:19 >Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair > >Dear list, >Now that all five NomCom candidates accepted the selection, we need to >finalize the non-voting Chair. > >The Charter says in http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process >"A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom >with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, >it is recommended >that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously." > >So, first we like to ask you to provide your advice, suggestions, for >the Chair, >preferably someone served in previous nomcoms. Unfortunately, I do not >have the list of all the previous NomCom members and I am afraid I need to >go all the archives to find them which is prohibitively time-consuming for me. > >Instead, I rely on your wisdom. Please make your advice based on your own >knowledge. Nomination or self-nomination is appreciated. > >If you think it's better to keep it confidential, you can send your >nomination directly to either myself or Sala. > >We also like to make some lessons learned from the last NomCom to be implemented >for the next round, and suggest you to read their Report and Cover >Letter, as attached. >Among them, I think the following suggestions are worth to consider. > >We like to hear your comments on these as well before making the final >nomination >of the Chair. > >We are open to any other advice or suggestions, > >Thank you, > >izumi > >--------- >- In addition to the randomly selected members, include two >experienced non-voting Co Chairs or Coordinators who would be >responsible for guiding and ensuring the process is integral and all >communications reach NomCom team members. Having two chairs will >preclude instances where the experienced non-voting member becomes >unavailable." > >- Duties and responsibilities of Chairs and of members should be made >clear at the outset of NomCom selection. In particular the time frame >of activation of NomCom should be stated at outset. >------------------ > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed May 9 10:46:04 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:46:04 -0700 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <59E98D39B4254E79BF7F6E1491E14352@UserVAIO> In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely close attention to the Open Government Partnership which I pointed to earlier. The OGP has a formal "Declaration " (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward looking provisions of the Charter. Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" in the Partnership with certain designated rights and responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall Partnership. Although there are a number of elements still in the process of being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global Governance in the Age of the Internet. Best, Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of parminder Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the larger CS involved with IG. 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by the values that you mention. 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it must be spelt out. Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the right body for global governance of the global internet, which is fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not acceptable. parminder Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva Dear Bill, Adam and all The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. Anriette 11:00- 13:00 Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications 15:00- 18:00 General discussion On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: Could you give a pointer to the agenda. Thanks, Adam On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake > wrote: Hi Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules of engagement for other attendees…? Best, Bill On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: Hello, As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227 &lang=1 It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf of civil society, the IGC should do the same. Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass the request along to governments etc… Best, Bill *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland william.drake at uzh.ch www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake www.williamdrake.org **************************************************** ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed May 9 10:59:34 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:59:34 -0700 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <3640E1FBB5584B04B1053437395AAF34@UserVAIO> With respect to Wolfgang's note below which crossed my own note... I think that the non-UN/non-OECD OGP does go beyond these in the ways that Wolfgang suggests as being necessary. Please note that the OGP Declaration does reference both the UNDHR and the UN Convention Against Corruption, that the UN (and the OECD) were represented and participating at the OGP meeting, and at least some representatives of those organizations seemed to think that the OGP initiative would ultimately find a home within the UN systems somewhere. Although exactly the path to achieving that was as yet very obscure. (The suggestion here being that rather than starting off as a UN body, the next stage IGF framework might begin as a non-UN agency but with the possibility that it might, as it universalizes, evolve in that direction.) M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:03 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; parminder; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] CIRP+ Parminder: UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it must be spelt out. Wolfgang: The Problem with the OECD MS model is, that it evolved from an existing (intergovernmental) structure. It did not create a new body. It just added to an IGO with one existing advisory committee to other advisory committees (CS and TC). This was good. But .- as you can see in the drafting of the Internet policy Making guidelines document - not good enough. There is no mechanism how the advisory bodies are directly involved into the decision making procedure. Remember the Internet Governance definition whre "shared decsion making procedures" are mentioned as a key element similar to the involvement of the various stakeholders in their respective roles. If a new (UN) body should be created to fill a (possible) gap in the existing global Internet Governance Ecosystem, such a new body has to go beyond "advisory committees" and introduce a mechanism which follows the definition of "shared decision making". This would be new, but this is what is needed. We need here innovation and creativity in internaitonal politics. WGIG is a good example that this can work. The UNCSTD IGF Improvement WG has also demonstrated that it can be done. If a renewed CIRP proposal follows the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of Committments". -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu May 10 04:02:19 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:02:19 +0200 Subject: [governance] WSIS Forum Workshop next Thursday 17th Message-ID: <8C4C2C03-E211-4AC2-BAC2-26746E3DA3CD@uzh.ch> Hi People who will be in Geneva next week are invited to attend the following WSIS Forum workshop at the ILO. Registration for the IGF gets you into the WF too. There will also be remote participation http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Information/RemoteParticipation.aspx. Cheers, Bill --------- WSIS Forum 2012 Workshop 9:00-10:45, Thursday 17 May 2012 Room XI, the International Labor Organization Global Internet Governance for Development Does global Internet governance promote the effective participation of developing country stakeholders in the information society? What are its implication for national development trajectories? To fully address these and related questions, it would be useful to establish an Internet Governance for Development (IG4D) agenda. Such an agenda could comprise a holistic program that mainstreams development considerations into the procedures and policy outputs of global Internet governance mechanisms. While development agendas are being pursued in the multilateral organizations dealing with issues like international trade and intellectual property, there has been no corresponding effort with respect to global Internet governance. Accordingly, since 2007 a series of workshops and main sessions exploring the idea have been held at the annual Internet Governance Forum meetings. This workshop seeks to broaden the dialogue by engaging interested attendees at the WSIS Forum. A development agenda could involve organizing and improving access to knowledge about global Internet governance issues and institutions, including best practices and lessons learned such institutions could consider within their respective work programs. In addition, it could encourage concrete actions that strengthen the fit between governance and development, such as: a) facilitating access to capacity building programs that help enable the effective participation of governmental and nongovernmental actors from developing countries in global technical and policy processes; b) enhancing institutional procedures and practices in order to promote such participation; and c) identifying issues that raise distinctive developmental considerations and possible options for improvements in related policy frameworks. Given the highly distributed institutional ecosystem of global Internet governance, a development agenda would need to be flexible enough to facilitate varying responses that are appropriate to the issues and actors involved in each case. The workshop will consider these matters in relation to relevant multistakeholder, industry self-governance, and intergovernmental institutions. Of particular interest in this regard is the governance of critical Internet resources, e.g. names, numbers, and standards; and current proposals for new Enhanced Cooperation initiatives within the United Nations, and for international treaty regulations that could be applicable to the Internet. Organizer William J. Drake International Fellow, Media Change & Innovation Division Institute of Mass Communication and Media Research University of Zurich, Switzerland Co-Sponsoring Organizations Association for Progressive Communications Ministry of Communications and Information Technology Government of Egypt Kenya Internet Governance Steering Committee, Ministry of Information and Communications Government of Kenya Federal Office of Communications Government of Switzerland Speakers Olga Cavalli Advisor, Ministry of Foreign Affairs Government of Argentina Avri Doria Researcher & former Chair of the ICANN GNSO Council United States of America William J. Drake [moderator] International Fellow, Media Change & Innovation Division Institute of Mass Communication and Media Research University of Zurich, Switzerland Anriette Esterhuysen Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications South Africa Wolfgang Kleinwächter Professor of Internet Policy and Regulation, Department for Media and Information Sciences, University of Aarhus, Denmark Germany Markus Kummer Vice President of Public Policy, The Internet Society Switzerland Alice Munyua Convener, East Africa IGF, Kenya ICT Action Network; and Chair, Kenya Internet Governance Steering Committee, and Kenya Network Information Center Government of Kenya Nermine El Saadany Director of International Relations Division, Ministry of Communications and Information Technology Government of Egypt Thomas Schneider Deputy Head of International Relations Service, Federal Office of Communications Government of Switzerland *************************************************** William J. 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So in order to participate in the meeting, participants should register for the WSIS Forum at http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Registration/RegistrationInformation.aspx. This registration is necessary in order for the participants to enter the International Labour Organization headquarters building. 3) Rules of engagement; The meeting is intended to be interactive, all stackeholders will be able to make interventions from the floor. The agenda considers addresses from several speaker from 11:00 hrs. to 12:00, and then the floor will be open for interventions. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:43:15 +1200 Subject: [governance] Enhanced Cooperation meeting is open to participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > Just heard from the CSTD secretariat, which says: > > > The information about the meeting and registration details are available > in the recently launched website of UNCTAD, http://www.unctad.org/cstd > > [Thanks Bill] > UNCTAD website was recently migrated to the new system, which does not > allow any updates on the old site (anything that is in the "archive. > unctad.org") > > 1) About the meeting; > > This is scheduled to open at 11:00 a.m in the Governing Body Room of the > International Labour Organizations. > > 2) About registration: > > Although this meeting is not part of the WSIS Forum, for the convenience > of participants, it will be held during and at the same venue of the WSIS > Forum. So in order to participate in the meeting, participants should > register for the WSIS Forum at > http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Registration/RegistrationInformation.aspx. > This registration is necessary in order for the participants to enter the > International Labour Organization headquarters building. > > 3) Rules of engagement; > > The meeting is intended to be interactive, all stackeholders will be able > to make interventions from the floor. The agenda considers addresses from > several speaker from 11:00 hrs. to 12:00, and then the floor will be open > for interventions. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Fri May 11 02:35:17 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:35:17 +0900 Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair In-Reply-To: <1336572456.51449.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1336572456.51449.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many thanks Imran, quite helpful. We didn't have 2009,2010 Data? Or hard to find? Izumi 2012年5月9日水曜日 Imran Ahmed Shah ias_pk at yahoo.com : > Just for reference, the some previous NomCom Results are as follows: > > NOMCOM 2007 (Draw Dec 2006) > Bret Fausett > Milton Mueller > Maja Andjelkovic > Adam Peake > Ralf Bendrath > > NOMCOM 2008 (Draw Dec 2007) > Gurumurthy K > Ian Peter > Robert Guerra > Rudi Rusdiah > Hakikur Rahman > > NOMCOM 2011 (Draw June 2011) > Antonio Medina Gómez > Carlos Watson > Shaila Mistry > Vincent Solomon > Rajendra Poudel > > > > *From:* Izumi AIZU > *To:* governance > *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 17:19 > *Subject:* [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair > > Dear list, > Now that all five NomCom candidates accepted the selection, we need to > finalize the non-voting Chair. > > The Charter says in http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process > "A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom > with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, > it is recommended > that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously." > > So, first we like to ask you to provide your advice, suggestions, for > the Chair, > preferably someone served in previous nomcoms. Unfortunately, I do not > have the list of all the previous NomCom members and I am afraid I need to > go all the archives to find them which is prohibitively time-consuming for > me. > > Instead, I rely on your wisdom. Please make your advice based on your own > knowledge. Nomination or self-nomination is appreciated. > > If you think it's better to keep it confidential, you can send your > nomination directly to either myself or Sala. > > We also like to make some lessons learned from the last NomCom to be > implemented > for the next round, and suggest you to read their Report and Cover > Letter, as attached. > Among them, I think the following suggestions are worth to consider. > > We like to hear your comments on these as well before making the final > nomination > of the Chair. > > We are open to any other advice or suggestions, > > Thank you, > > izumi > > --------- > - In addition to the randomly selected members, include two > experienced non-voting Co Chairs or Coordinators who would be > responsible for guiding and ensuring the process is integral and all > communications reach NomCom team members. Having two chairs will > preclude instances where the experienced non-voting member becomes > unavailable." > > - Duties and responsibilities of Chairs and of members should be made > clear at the outset of NomCom selection. In particular the time frame > of activation of NomCom should be stated at outset. > ------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri May 11 02:45:27 2012 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:45:27 +1000 Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Look in the Archives section of our website. From: Izumi Aizu Reply-To: , Izumi Aizu Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:35:17 +0900 To: Imran Ahmed Shah Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , Izumi Aizu Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair Many thanks Imran, quite helpful. We didn't have 2009,2010 Data? Or hard to find? Izumi 2012年5月9日水曜日 Imran Ahmed Shah ias_pk at yahoo.com : > Just for reference, the some previous NomCom Results are as follows: > > NOMCOM 2007 (Draw Dec 2006) > Bret Fausett > Milton Mueller > Maja Andjelkovic > Adam Peake > Ralf Bendrath > > NOMCOM 2008 (Draw Dec 2007) > Gurumurthy K > Ian Peter > Robert Guerra > Rudi Rusdiah > Hakikur Rahman > > NOMCOM 2011 (Draw June 2011) > Antonio Medina Gómez > Carlos Watson > Shaila Mistry > Vincent Solomon > Rajendra Poudel > > >> >> >> >> >> From: Izumi AIZU >> To: governance >> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 17:19 >> Subject: [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair >> >> >> Dear list, >> Now that all five NomCom candidates accepted the selection, we need to >> finalize the non-voting Chair. >> >> The Charter says in http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process >> "A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom >> with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, >> it is recommended >> that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously." >> >> So, first we like to ask you to provide your advice, suggestions, for >> the Chair, >> preferably someone served in previous nomcoms. Unfortunately, I do not >> have the list of all the previous NomCom members and I am afraid I need to >> go all the archives to find them which is prohibitively time-consuming for >> me. >> >> Instead, I rely on your wisdom. Please make your advice based on your own >> knowledge. Nomination or self-nomination is appreciated. >> >> If you think it's better to keep it confidential, you can send your >> nomination directly to either myself or Sala. >> >> We also like to make some lessons learned from the last NomCom to be >> implemented >> for the next round, and suggest you to read their Report and Cover >> Letter, as attached. >> Among them, I think the following suggestions are worth to consider. >> >> We like to hear your comments on these as well before making the final >> nomination >> of the Chair. >> >> We are open to any other advice or suggestions, >> >> Thank you, >> >> izumi >> >> --------- >> - In addition to the randomly selected members, include two >> experienced non-voting Co Chairs or Coordinators who would be >> responsible for guiding and ensuring the process is integral and all >> communications reach NomCom team members. Having two chairs will >> preclude instances where the experienced non-voting member becomes >> unavailable." >> >> - Duties and responsibilities of Chairs and of members should be made >> clear at the outset of NomCom selection. In particular the time frame >> of activation of NomCom should be stated at outset. >> ------------------ >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Fri May 11 03:07:56 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:07:56 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried, but somehow I got "time out". Izumi 2012年5月11日金曜日 Ian Peter ian.peter at ianpeter.com: > Look in the Archives section of our website. > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *Izumi Aizu > *Reply-To: *, Izumi Aizu > *Date: *Fri, 11 May 2012 15:35:17 +0900 > *To: *Imran Ahmed Shah > *Cc: *"governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , > Izumi Aizu > *Subject: *[governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair > > Many thanks Imran, quite helpful. > > We didn't have 2009,2010 Data? Or hard to find? > > Izumi > > 2012年5月9日水曜日 Imran Ahmed Shah ias_pk at yahoo.com 'ias_pk at yahoo.com');> : > > Just for reference, the some previous NomCom Results are as follows: > > NOMCOM 2007 (Draw Dec 2006) > Bret Fausett > Milton Mueller > Maja Andjelkovic > Adam Peake > Ralf Bendrath > > NOMCOM 2008 (Draw Dec 2007) > Gurumurthy K > Ian Peter > Robert Guerra > Rudi Rusdiah > Hakikur Rahman > > NOMCOM 2011 (Draw June 2011) > Antonio Medina Gómez > Carlos Watson > Shaila Mistry > Vincent Solomon > Rajendra Poudel > > > > > > > *From:* Izumi AIZU > *To:* governance > *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 17:19 > *Subject:* [governance] Seek for advice re:NomCom Chair > > > Dear list, > Now that all five NomCom candidates accepted the selection, we need to > finalize the non-voting Chair. > > The Charter says in http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process > "A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom > with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, > it is recommended > that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously." > > So, first we like to ask you to provide your advice, suggestions, for > the Chair, > preferably someone served in previous nomcoms. Unfortunately, I do not > have the list of all the previous NomCom members and I am afraid I need to > go all the archives to find them which is prohibitively time-consuming for > me. > > Instead, I rely on your wisdom. Please make your advice based on your own > knowledge. Nomination or self-nomination is appreciated. > > If you think it's better to keep it confidential, you can send your > nomination directly to either myself or Sala. > > We also like to make some lessons learned from the last NomCom to be > implemented > for the next round, and suggest you to read their Report and Cover > Letter, as attached. > Among them, I think the following suggestions are worth to consider. > > We like to hear your comments on these as well before making the final > nomination > of the Chair. > > We are open to any other advice or suggestions, > > Thank you, > > izumi > > --------- > - In addition to the randomly selected members, include two > experienced non-voting Co Chairs or Coordinators who would be > responsible for guiding and ensuring the process is integral and all > communications reach NomCom team members. Having two chairs will > preclude instances where the experienced non-voting member becomes > unavailable." > > - Duties and responsibilities of Chairs and of members should be made > clear at the outset of NomCom selection. In particular the time frame > of activation of NomCom should be stated at outset. > ------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri May 11 04:30:29 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:30:29 +0200 Subject: [governance] Bangladesh Consultation on 7th IGF, WSIS+10 & Broadband Targets for 2015 of Broadband Commission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FACCE25.6070806@apc.org> Thanks for the update Bazlur. Is the government of Bangladesh planning to participate in the Baku IGF it self? As in sending people to Baku? Anriette On 09/05/12 14:43, AHM Bazlur Rahman wrote: > *Bangladesh Consultation on * > > *7^th IGF, WSIS+10 & Broadband Targets for 2015 of Broadband Commission * > > > > A Multi-Stakeholders 'Consultation on 7th Internet Governance Forum(IGF) > , World Summit on the Information Society Forum 2012 (WSIS+10) & > Broadband Commission for Digital Development’s broad Band action plan > was organized at Conference Room of Bangladesh Telecommunication > Regulatory Commission (BTRC) on 7th May 2012 in Dhaka, Bangladesh. > > > The consultation was jointly organized by Bangladesh NGOs Network for > Radio & Communication (BNNRC), Monthly Computer Jagat and Angkur ICT > Development Foundation in Collaboration with Bangladesh > Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) > > Mr. Hasnul Haque Inu, MP, Chairman, Parliamentary Standing Committee on > Ministry of Post & Tele Communication joined as the Chief Guest, while > Major General Zia Ahmed,PSC (Rtd.) Chairman, Bangladesh > Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC) participated as the > Special Guest of the meeting. Dr.Akram Hossain Chowdhury, MP and > Chairman, Center for E-Parliament Research moderated the program. > > > In his speech as Chief Guest Mr.Hasanul Haq Inu, MP told that this > consultation would contribute and play important role on the eve of 7^th > Internet Governance Forum.We need to review now our achievement in > Digital Bangladesh. We need to revise some of the policy aspects in > relevance to Digital progress. I personally believe that access to > broadband internet is our constitutional right. He claimed to exempt 15% > VAT on internet and demanded zero-taxation on all other ICT equipment. > > > Maj. General (Rtd.) Zia Ahmed, PSC told that the profits of lowering > the price of Internet Bandwidth yet not reached to common people .If we > could ensure this scope to the common people ,it would accelerate the > implementation of Digital Bangladesh vision. We are working to cover the > wider community in future Bangladesh. > > > At the outset of the consultation, Mr.AHM Bazlur Rahman, Chief Executive > Officer of Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio & Communication (BNNRC) > welcomed all the participants and invited opinion and recommendations > from them. > > > Two presentations were made dealing with WSIS Goals and broadband > issues, by Reza Salim, Director, Amader Gram ICT for Development Project > and Lieutenant Colonel Md.Rakibul Hasan, Director (Systems & Services) > of Bangladesh Telecommunication Regulatory Commission (BTRC). > > Among others Md.Faizullah Khan, President , Bangladesh Computer > Somity(BCS) , Shamim Ahsan, Ex-vice president of BASIS, S M Altaf > Hossain, Managing Director of DRIK-ICT, Ms. Nazneen Nahar, Editor, > Monthly Techworld Bangladesh also took part in the consultation by > putting forward their valuable opinion and comments . > > > > Bazlu > _______________________ > AHM. Bazlur Rahman-S21BR > Chief Executive Officer > Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication (BNNRC) > [NGO in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social > Council] > & > Head, Community Radio Academy > > House: 13/1, Road: 2, Shaymoli, Dhaka-1207 Bangladesh > Phone: +88-02-9130750, +88-02-9138501, Cell: +88 01711881647 > Fax: 88-02-9138501-105, > E-mail: ceo at bnnrc.net , bnnr > cbd at gmail.com > www.bnnrc.net > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri May 11 11:18:54 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:18:54 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <3640E1FBB5584B04B1053437395AAF34@UserVAIO> References: <3640E1FBB5584B04B1053437395AAF34@UserVAIO> Message-ID: <4FAD2DDE.3040101@apc.org> Another rather short response from me.... This part of Mike's message really resonates for me in relation to "Enhanced Cooperation": "(The suggestion here being that rather than starting off as a UN body, the next stage IGF framework might begin as a non-UN agency but with the possibility that it might, as it universalizes, evolve in that direction.)" I remain unconvinced that setting up any kind of oversight body inside the UN system at this point is (1) workable considering how hard it is for governments to agree with one another, (2) likely to strengthen the chances of an open internet that allows the free flow of information, or, (3) increase civil society's influence over IG. But.. I like the idea of exploring a new paradigm, and even a new body of some kind, that might, if it proves itself, evolve into a more institutionalised form, linked to the UN. How can we better use the IGF to explore such a process? Anriette On 09/05/12 16:59, michael gurstein wrote: > With respect to Wolfgang's note below which crossed my own note... I think > that the non-UN/non-OECD OGP does go beyond these in the ways that Wolfgang > suggests as being necessary. > > Please note that the OGP Declaration does reference both the UNDHR and the > UN Convention Against Corruption, that the UN (and the OECD) were > represented and participating at the OGP meeting, and at least some > representatives of those organizations seemed to think that the OGP > initiative would ultimately find a home within the UN systems somewhere. > Although exactly the path to achieving that was as yet very obscure. (The > suggestion here being that rather than starting off as a UN body, the next > stage IGF framework might begin as a non-UN agency but with the possibility > that it might, as it universalizes, evolve in that direction.) > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of "Kleinwächter, > Wolfgang" > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:03 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; parminder; governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: [governance] CIRP+ > > > Parminder: > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet > policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making > system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered > multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed > and possible that it must be spelt out. > > Wolfgang: > The Problem with the OECD MS model is, that it evolved from an existing > (intergovernmental) structure. It did not create a new body. It just added > to an IGO with one existing advisory committee to other advisory committees > (CS and TC). This was good. But .- as you can see in the drafting of the > Internet policy Making guidelines document - not good enough. There is no > mechanism how the advisory bodies are directly involved into the decision > making procedure. Remember the Internet Governance definition whre "shared > decsion making procedures" are mentioned as a key element similar to the > involvement of the various stakeholders in their respective roles. > > If a new (UN) body should be created to fill a (possible) gap in the > existing global Internet Governance Ecosystem, such a new body has to go > beyond "advisory committees" and introduce a mechanism which follows the > definition of "shared decision making". This would be new, but this is what > is needed. We need here innovation and creativity in internaitonal politics. > WGIG is a good example that this can work. The UNCSTD IGF Improvement WG has > also demonstrated that it can be done. If a renewed CIRP proposal follows > the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, > embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of > Committments". > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri May 11 11:23:48 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:23:48 +0200 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> References: <4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> Message-ID: <4FAD2F04.30004@apc.org> dear michael i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at the OGP process a lot i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' the idea this gave me is that what would be very useful for IG is a consultative process that will build such a declaration on EC - a process which is inclusive of a wide range of instutitions, constituencies, sectors etc. so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement on a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international internet governance' anriette On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: > In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely > close attention to the Open Government Partnership > which I pointed to earlier. > > The OGP has a formal "Declaration > " > (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which > Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner > country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted > based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going > performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their > stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward > looking provisions of the Charter. > > Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" > in the Partnership with certain designated rights and > responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall > Partnership. > > Although there are a number of elements still in the process of > being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in > the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which > EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and > which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic > Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global > Governance in the Age of the Internet. > > Best, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from a CS perspective are twofold: >> > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present > concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the > larger CS involved with IG. > >> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. >> > > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no > traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by > the values that you mention. > >> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. >> > > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's > Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global > Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong > linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF > proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it > must be spelt out. > > Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim > arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of > being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention > on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the > right body for global governance of the global internet, which is > fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. > > If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. > > Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is > simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet > governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, > involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not > acceptable. > > parminder > >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >> >> >> Dear Bill, Adam and all >> >> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. >> >> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, and established IG 'institutions'. >> >> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - in my view). >> >> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. >> >> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at national level. >> >> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on national IG issues. >> >> Anriette >> >> 11:00- >> 13:00 >> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications >> 15:00- >> 18:00 >> General discussion >> >> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft >>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules >>> of engagement for other attendees…? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>>> meeting. http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>>> >>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >>>> the request along to governments etc… >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> *************************************************** >>>> William J. Drake >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>>> >>>> www.williamdrake.org >>>> **************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Fri May 11 12:24:10 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:24:10 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <49752A0F-6810-40D2-913D-F3729D9C734B@uzh.ch> Hi Wolfgang, On May 9, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > If a renewed CIRP proposal follows the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of Committments". Given your well known enthusiasm for coining new terms and acronyms, I'd suggest you come up with something new rather than starting from one referring to a proposal that even its erstwhile chief proponent has disowned as "not well thought out." http://news.dot-nxt.com/2012/03/10/india-drops-cirp-proposal Why start out weighed down with the baggage of an intergovernmental body under ECOSOC and the GA (!) and try to figure out how to evolve it into multistakeholder mechanism, a process that'll leave all sides unhappy? Who knows, with the right incentives, maybe someday the absence of better alternatives could lead us back to seriously considering an IGF that includes working groups capable of structured analysis and dialogue on frameworks (plural) of commitments where these could be useful. Best, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You are the people responsible for the evolution of the IGF. This is your time and your chance. Cheers, -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri May 11 13:44:04 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:44:04 -0400 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FAD2F04.30004@apc.org> References: <4FAD2BD7.1060306@apc.org> <4FAD2F04.30004@apc.org> Message-ID: <536cd7d1-a014-48b1-a3b8-71e40339a25e@email.android.com> This makes sense to me. avri Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >dear michael > >i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at >the OGP process a lot > >i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' > >the idea this gave me is that what would be very useful for IG is a >consultative process that will build such a declaration on EC - a >process which is inclusive of a wide range of >instutitions, constituencies, sectors etc. > >so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement >on a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international >internet >governance' > >anriette > > >On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: >> In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely >> close attention to the Open Government Partnership >> which I pointed to earlier. >> >> The OGP has a formal "Declaration >> >" >> (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which >> Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner >> country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted >> based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going >> performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their >> stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the >forward >> looking provisions of the Charter. >> >> Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged >"partner" >> in the Partnership with certain designated rights and >> responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall >> Partnership. >> >> Although there are a number of elements still in the process of >> being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS >in >> the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards >which >> EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, >and >> which overall represents a potentially very positive post >Atlantic >> Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global >> Governance in the Age of the Internet. >> >> Best, >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of >*parminder >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the >> Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >> >> On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >>> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation >from a CS perspective are twofold: >>> >> We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present >> concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the >> larger CS involved with IG. >> >>> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take >place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, >accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the >WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be >presented as a declaration and within a framing document. >>> >> >> A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no >> traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed >by >> the values that you mention. >> >>> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the >question is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for >achieving these within the context of Internet governance. >>> >> >> UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's >> Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global >> Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong >> linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF >> proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it >> must be spelt out. >> >> Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an >interim >> arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity >of >> being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework >convention >> on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the >> right body for global governance of the global internet, which is >> fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. >> >> If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. >> >> Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps >is >> simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet >> governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely >problematic, >> involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not >> acceptable. >> >> parminder >> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > >[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette >Esterhuysen >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM >>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the >Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >>> >>> >>> Dear Bill, Adam and all >>> >>> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I >have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as >soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. >>> >>> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the >involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual >involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is all >this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is kind >of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more >concentration of power among large companies, rich country governments, >and established IG 'institutions'. >>> >>> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will >focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments in >the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they already >have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more control >and who don't have much at global level, and who are not demonstrating, >consistently, good use of the control they do have at national level - >in my view). >>> >>> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are >and of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. >>> >>> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. >among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is EC >just something we should be talking about at global level, or also at >national level. >>> >>> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG >at national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how >countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, >etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on >national IG issues. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> 11:00- >>> 13:00 >>> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la >Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the >International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel >Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus >Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: >Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information >Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, >Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, >mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, >Association for Progressive Communications >>> 15:00- >>> 18:00 >>> General discussion >>> >>> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: >>> >>>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake > >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The >draft >>>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity >on rules >>>> of engagement for other attendees…? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation >consultation on >>>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>>>> meeting. >http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able >to >>>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during >this >>>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the >sidelines or >>>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end >of each >>>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will >be >>>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. >On behalf >>>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>>>> >>>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest >that the >>>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two >paragraph >>>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be >better to do >>>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need >to pass >>>>> the request along to governments etc… >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> *************************************************** >>>>> William J. Drake >>>>> International Fellow & Lecturer >>>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >>>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>>>> william.drake at uzh.ch > >>>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > >>>>> >>>>> www.williamdrake.org > >>>>> **************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: >http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > >-- >------------------------------------------------------ >anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >executive director, association for progressive communications >www.apc.org >po box 29755, melville 2109 >south africa >tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Sat May 12 11:05:44 2012 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 00:05:44 +0900 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: Sorry for the absence of confirmation. Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. Please write here once more if you are joining. 56, Rue de Lausanne Phone: +41 22 741 0420 See you there! izumi 2012/5/2 : > It's better for me too. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Tijani BEN JEMAA > Vice Président de la CIC > Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs > Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 > Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 > Télécopie  : + 216 70 825 231 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi > AIZU > Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 > À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic > Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? > > Dear Vlada and all, > > As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to > 1800-1930 ish? > > As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we > don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a > kind of compromise. > > And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. > > izumi > > > > Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. > > > > > 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : >> Izumi, >> >> >> >> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >> >> >> >> Best! >> >> >> >>                 Vlada -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From glaser at cgi.br Sat May 12 11:31:23 2012 From: glaser at cgi.br (Hartmut Richard Glaser) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:23 -0300 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: <4FAE824B.2070600@cgi.br> Dear All, I will be there... Hartmut Glaser ======================= On 12/05/12 12:05, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Sorry for the absence of confirmation. > Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. > > Please write here once more if you are joining. > > 56, Rue de Lausanne > Phone: +41 22 741 0420 > > See you there! > > izumi > > > > 2012/5/2: >> It's better for me too. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Tijani BEN JEMAA >> Vice Président de la CIC >> Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs >> Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 >> Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >> Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi >> AIZU >> Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 >> À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic >> Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? >> >> Dear Vlada and all, >> >> As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to >> 1800-1930 ish? >> >> As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we >> don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a >> kind of compromise. >> >> And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. >> >> >> >> >> 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic: >>> Izumi, >>> >>> >>> >>> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >>> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >>> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >>> >>> >>> >>> Best! >>> >>> >>> >>> Vlada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Sat May 12 13:48:32 2012 From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:48:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: <002c01cd3067$72edbc40$58c934c0$@planet.tn> I am ------------------------------------------------------ TIjani BEN JEMAA Vice Chair of the CIC World Federation of Engineering Organizations Phone : + 216 70 825 231 Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Fax : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------ -----Message d'origine----- De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : samedi 12 mai 2012 16:06 À : tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Cc : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? Sorry for the absence of confirmation. Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. Please write here once more if you are joining. 56, Rue de Lausanne Phone: +41 22 741 0420 See you there! izumi 2012/5/2 < tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn>: > It's better for me too. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Tijani BEN JEMAA > Vice Président de la CIC > Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs Téléphone : + 216 > 70 825 231 Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de > Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 À : > governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic Objet : Re: > [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? > > Dear Vlada and all, > > As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting > time to > 1800-1930 ish? > > As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, > but we don't want to run late either especially for the late comers > thus it is a kind of compromise. > > And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. > > izumi > > > > Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. > > > > > 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic < vladar at diplomacy.edu>: >> Izumi, >> >> >> >> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >> >> >> >> Best! >> >> >> >> Vlada ----- Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 10.0.1390 / Base de données virale: 1518/3785 - Date: 24/07/2011 La Base de données des virus a expiré. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sdkaaa at gmail.com Sat May 12 15:12:30 2012 From: sdkaaa at gmail.com (Bernard Sadaka) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:12:30 +0300 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: <5B17B9AD-35CB-4AB9-8B32-9211850F3399@gmail.com> I will be there as well if all technical preparations are well. All the best, Bernard. On May 12, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Sorry for the absence of confirmation. > Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. > > Please write here once more if you are joining. > > 56, Rue de Lausanne > Phone: +41 22 741 0420 > > See you there! > > izumi > > > > 2012/5/2 : >> It's better for me too. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Tijani BEN JEMAA >> Vice Président de la CIC >> Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs >> Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 >> Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >> Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi >> AIZU >> Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 >> À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic >> Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? >> >> Dear Vlada and all, >> >> As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to >> 1800-1930 ish? >> >> As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we >> don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a >> kind of compromise. >> >> And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. >> >> >> >> >> 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : >>> Izumi, >>> >>> >>> >>> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >>> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >>> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >>> >>> >>> >>> Best! >>> >>> >>> >>> Vlada > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat May 12 18:25:14 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:25:14 -0700 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: <4FAD2F04.30004@apc.org> Message-ID: Yes, I think that would be the effective approach here... Again, what the OGP process has done is to create a consensus based normative declaration among a community of the willing and are building an institutional framework to support the on-going, broad based, and collabortive implementations towards the realization of these norms. It seems to me that CS should be striving in this direction in the IG area given that it's own involvement in IG is (or at least should be) based on consensus based operational Internet norms (transparency, net neutrality, inclusivity and so on). I don't expect to be in Baku so I'm hoping that should such a process be initiated at the upcoming IGF that it be one inclusive of remote participation. M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:24 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva dear michael i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at the OGP process a lot i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' the idea this gave me is that what would be very useful for IG is a consultative process that will build such a declaration on EC - a process which is inclusive of a wide range of instutitions, constituencies, sectors etc. so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement on a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international internet governance' anriette On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: > In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely > close attention to the Open Government Partnership > which I pointed to earlier. > > The OGP has a formal "Declaration > " > (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which > Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner > country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted > based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going > performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their > stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward > looking provisions of the Charter. > > Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" > in the Partnership with certain designated rights and > responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall > Partnership. > > Although there are a number of elements still in the process of > being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in > the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which > EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and > which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic > Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global > Governance in the Age of the Internet. > > Best, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *parminder > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from >> a CS perspective are twofold: >> > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present > concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the > larger CS involved with IG. > >> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take >> place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented as a declaration and within a framing document. >> > > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no > traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by > the values that you mention. > >> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question >> is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving these within the context of Internet governance. >> > > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's > Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global > Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong > linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF > proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it > must be spelt out. > > Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim > arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of > being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention > on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the > right body for global governance of the global internet, which is > fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. > > If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. > > Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is > simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet > governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, > involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not > acceptable. > > parminder > >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the >> Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva >> >> >> Dear Bill, Adam and all >> >> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I >> have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as >> soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. >> >> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the >> involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual >> involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is >> all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is >> kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more >> concentration of power among large companies, rich country >> governments, and established IG 'institutions'. >> >> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will >> focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments >> in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they >> already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more >> control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not >> demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at >> national level - in my view). >> >> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and >> of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. >> >> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. >> among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is >> EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also >> at national level. >> >> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at >> national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how >> countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, >> etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on >> national IG issues. >> >> Anriette >> >> 11:00- >> 13:00 >> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications >> 15:00- >> 18:00 >> General discussion >> >> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: >> >>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft >>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on rules >>> of engagement for other attendees…? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation consultation on >>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG >>>> meeting. >>>> http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to >>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during this >>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the sidelines or >>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of each >>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be >>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On behalf >>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. >>>> >>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest that the >>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two paragraph >>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better to do >>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to pass >>>> the request along to governments etc… >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> *************************************************** >>>> William J. Drake >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>>> >>>> www.williamdrake.org >>>> **************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: >>> http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat May 12 18:25:14 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:25:14 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] Telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names ending with .ir" belonging to Iran Message-ID: <46DA1E9D088549C69BDF1319CF01DCB4@UserVAIO> -----Original Message----- From: liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of SiNA Rabbani Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:05 PM To: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names ending with .ir" belonging to Iran ... http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jzh5OHjE_YOFj7PeAz8thcxLD XHg > TEHRAN - Iran's telecommunications ministry has barred local banks, > insurance firms and telephone operators from using foreign-sourced > emails to communicate with clients, a specialist weekly said on > Saturday. > > "The telecommunications minister has ordered the use of domain names > ending with .ir" belonging to Iran, Asr Ertebatat reported. > > The order prohibits banks, insurance firms and telephone firms using > foreign hosts for their sites or to inform their clients using foreign > providers such as Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail or MSN, it said. > > The weekly said that individuals seeking to communicate with such > firms must now use email addresses ending with iran.ir, post.ir or > chmail.ir. > > Entities linked to the Iranian government must use addresses ending in > gov.ir or .ir, while universities should use emails ending in ac.ir or > .ir, the report added. > > Iran has announced that as of May a national information network will > be used to replace the Internet in the daily management of the > administration of state entities, the banking system and public > enterprises. > > Officially, the launch of the "Iranian Internet" aims to secure > communications by making them independent from foreign Internet > operators. > > Iranian authorities announced in December having repatriated 90% of > official websites and encouraged Iranian companies to do the same. > > For the past two years, Tehran has been slapped with Western economic > and financial sanctions due to its controversial nuclear programme. > > The regime also regularly accuses the West of using the web for an > "undeclared war" to destabilise it, and Telecommunications Minister > Reza Taghipour has argued that Google and Yahoo posed a "threat to > national security." > > With over 36 million Internet users out of the population of 75 > million, electronic media played a major role in the popular protests > which rocked the country after the disputed re-election of President > Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2009. > > The authorities have since cut off or reduced Internet connections and > speed. > > The telecommunications ministry in April, however, denied that the > authority has decided to cut outside Internet connections to support > the development of Iran's own intranet. > > Earlier this year, access to foreign-sourced emails was cut without > explanation, disrupting the operations of many companies and millions > of Iranians while prompting sharp criticism within the regime. > > Since the unrest of 2009, authorities have sharply reduced the > available bandwidth of the Internet and blocked access to tens of > thousands of foreign websites, including opposition sites. > > US President Barack Obama on March accused Iran of imposing an > "electronic curtain" of censorship, announcing steps to use software > and social media to help Iranians communicate online. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From carolinaaguerre at gmail.com Sat May 12 19:11:15 2012 From: carolinaaguerre at gmail.com (carolinaaguerre at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:11:15 +0000 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: <5B17B9AD-35CB-4AB9-8B32-9211850F3399@gmail.com> References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> <5B17B9AD-35CB-4AB9-8B32-9211850F3399@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1855609588-1336864104-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1528479359-@b3.c13.bise6.blackberry> I also confirm participation. Rgds, Carolina -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Sadaka Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:12:30 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Bernard Sadaka Cc: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic Subject: Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? I will be there as well if all technical preparations are well. All the best, Bernard. On May 12, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Sorry for the absence of confirmation. > Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. > > Please write here once more if you are joining. > > 56, Rue de Lausanne > Phone: +41 22 741 0420 > > See you there! > > izumi > > > > 2012/5/2 : >> It's better for me too. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Tijani BEN JEMAA >> Vice Président de la CIC >> Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs >> Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 >> Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >> Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi >> AIZU >> Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 >> À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic >> Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? >> >> Dear Vlada and all, >> >> As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to >> 1800-1930 ish? >> >> As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we >> don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a >> kind of compromise. >> >> And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. >> >> >> >> >> 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : >>> Izumi, >>> >>> >>> >>> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >>> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >>> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >>> >>> >>> >>> Best! >>> >>> >>> >>> Vlada > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From qshatti at gmail.com Sat May 12 23:39:37 2012 From: qshatti at gmail.com (Qusai Al-Shatti) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 05:39:37 +0200 Subject: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? In-Reply-To: References: <4F9A9152.4000900@eff.org> <005001cd251c$87fe89d0$97fb9d70$@planet.tn> <00a401cd26d7$0f83ea60$2e8bbf20$@diplomacy.edu> <003301cd284b$403dc2a0$c0b947e0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: I will be there. Sent from my iPhone On 12/05/2012, at 17:05, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Sorry for the absence of confirmation. > Let's meet at 1800 at Diplo Office in Geneva, May 14. > > Please write here once more if you are joining. > > 56, Rue de Lausanne > Phone: +41 22 741 0420 > > See you there! > > izumi > > > > 2012/5/2 : >> It's better for me too. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Tijani BEN JEMAA >> Vice Président de la CIC >> Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs >> Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 >> Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >> Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : izumiaizu at gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu at gmail.com] De la part de Izumi >> AIZU >> Envoyé : mardi 1 mai 2012 07:08 >> À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Vladimir Radunovic >> Objet : Re: [governance] May 14 meeting in Geneva? >> >> Dear Vlada and all, >> >> As suggested by Qusai and Vlada, may I propose to shift our meeting time to >> 1800-1930 ish? >> >> As WSIS Forum is scheduled to end on 1800, this is still a challenge, but we >> don't want to run late either especially for the late comers thus it is a >> kind of compromise. >> >> And thanks Diplo for being so flexible. >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> Unless there is strong objection, we will do so. >> >> >> >> >> 2012/4/30 Vladimir Radunovic : >>> Izumi, >>> >>> >>> >>> latter time suggested by Qusai would also suit me since I should >>> arrive to Geneva by 7pm only. If you start 6pm or latter I could join >>> you (at least for a part of the meeting and dinner). >>> >>> >>> >>> Best! >>> >>> >>> >>> Vlada > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 13 02:05:56 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:35:56 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4FAF4F44.6040400@itforchange.net> Wolfgang, Thanks for your engagement. This is an important issue and needs a thorough discussion. I think that if we do discuss it in all earnestness we will be closer to agreeing on many things.... On Wednesday 09 May 2012 07:33 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Parminder: > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it must be spelt out. > > Wolfgang: > The Problem with the OECD MS model is, that it evolved from an existing (intergovernmental) structure. It did not create a new body. It just added to an IGO with one existing advisory committee to other advisory committees (CS and TC). OECD's /Committee for Information/, /Computer and Communications Policy /was created, I understand, sometime in late 1990s, as a new body/ committee of the OECD council, in addition to other such committees. On the same lines, UN CIRP is proposed as a new committee, in addition to other such committees, of the UN GA (the exact equivalent of OECD council if we include all countries). I fail to understand what difference really are you pointing to here. (The only difference I can see is that UN CIRP is proposed to be organically linked to the IGF, and OECD CICCP has no equivalent body that makes it so participative.) Indeed, CICCP was first created without a CS advisory body which got added a few years back. UN CIRP proposes to start with such a CS advisory body. So, Wolfgang, if you really can see a difference here, pl do tell it clearly. > This was good. But .- as you can see in the drafting of the Internet policy Making guidelines document - not good enough. Yes, and the CS advisory committee completely capitulated, first opposing the principles, and then tamely signing on, even without a wider CS discussion, despite my request to the CS advisory committee to bring the matter to IGC and other groups etc for a discussion. > There is no mechanism how the advisory bodies are directly involved into the decision making procedure. This is most interesting. Two points (1) Has the involved CS, at the time the CS advisory commitee was formed, or any time later, ever even proposed any such arrangement to OECD whereby they should be 'directly involved into decision making procedure'. Why did CS agree to join up without such arrangements being put in place, in fact, without even proposing them. CS seems to be very shy to speak up the to powerful like the OECD, right! Or if there is any other reason pl tell me. To me, it does suggest hypocrisy that this demand of 'direct involvement in decision making' comes up only when forums/ bodies involving all countries are suggested. Can you please explain this apparent paradox? (2) in any case, I am still ready to discuss the arrangement you suggest about *direct* involvement of CS,business etc in decision making. Will you please propose some such arrangement so that we can discuss it. And then perhaps take it up with existing bodies first, before thinking of them only in terms of bodies that do not seem likely to come into existence any time soon. May I humbly suggest that the real problem, which perhaps out of political correctness some people are hesitant to spell out here, is that you and many others here who are making these protestations trust the governments of the North and simply do not trust the governments of the South. I am sorry, but we in the South *cannot* take such a view. By god, we have more than enough problems with our governments back home, and fight them real hard on so many issues. But on the global stage, when up against the trenchant onslaught of the two biggest powers on the Interent - US gov/OECD and the monopoly internet companies - we know what political strategy to take, and not to hide behind convenient covers . This is nothing new, and is quite aligned with strategies employed in other areas of global governance like IP and trade, something strongly suggested by the co-sponsorship of the joint CS statement for May 18 meeting by some of the most prominent Southern NGOs involved in these latter areas. parminder > Remember the Internet Governance definition whre "shared decsion making procedures" are mentioned as a key element similar to the involvement of the various stakeholders in their respective roles. > > > If a new (UN) body should be created to fill a (possible) gap in the existing global Internet Governance Ecosystem, such a new body has to go beyond "advisory committees" and introduce a mechanism which follows the definition of "shared decision making". This would be new, but this is what is needed. We need here innovation and creativity in internaitonal politics. WGIG is a good example that this can work. The UNCSTD IGF Improvement WG has also demonstrated that it can be done. If a renewed CIRP proposal follows the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of Committments". > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 13 02:31:37 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:01:37 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 09 May 2012 07:33 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > If a new (UN) body should be created to fill a (possible) gap in the existing global Internet Governance Ecosystem, such a new body has to go beyond "advisory committees" and introduce a mechanism which follows the definition of "shared decision making". This would be new, but this is what is needed. We need here innovation and creativity in internaitonal politics. WGIG is a good example that this can work. The UNCSTD IGF Improvement WG has also demonstrated that it can be done. If a renewed CIRP proposal follows the WGIG model, it could be the starting point for a new discussion, embedded into the IGF discussions on a multistakeholder "Framework of Committments". > > WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no independent standing or decision making capacity. So I am not sure if I follow what you means by saying WGIG model should be followed. CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with CIRP/ GA. Also, do remember that WGIG dealt with a more analytical issue of area scoping/ defining etc which is a much more of a technical exercise than actually deciding on thorny issues which have differential impacts on different people/ groups/ countries. It is also significant to note that on the most contentious issue of oversight mechanism, WGIG gave 4 alternative models for WSIS to decide on. CIRP advisory committees can do all this. Therefore the advisory and non decision making role of WGIG is clear. It is as important to note that the more technical areas - whether involving technology related decisions or related more to concept defining, area mapping etc - can be dealt by mechanism that may be found wanting for relatively political and /or public policy decisions. parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun May 13 02:46:22 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:46:22 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <4FAF4F44.6040400@itforchange.net> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF4F44.6040400@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <651021c7-f938-41cb-87c6-4c421fe52c74@email.android.com> parminder wrote: > >May I humbly suggest that the real problem, which perhaps out of >political correctness some people are hesitant to spell out here, is >that you and many others here who are making these protestations trust >the governments of the North and simply do not trust the governments of >the South. excuse me? Putting aside your 'humility', i find this persistent accusation to be disturbing. I for one have never found a government I trust. Maybe some people in some governments who I have met and worked with, but a government per se? Not likely. But beyond that, this diremption you constantly insist upon in the fabric of civil society does help at all. For myself it make disucssion of any points impossible, knowing they will just be discounted becasue I am a government lover. I, not at all humbly, suggest you leave the accusantions out of any discussion you wish people to take seriously. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 13 03:15:21 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:45:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <651021c7-f938-41cb-87c6-4c421fe52c74@email.android.com> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF4F44.6040400@itforchange.net> <651021c7-f938-41cb-87c6-4c421fe52c74@email.android.com> Message-ID: <4FAF5F89.3080501@itforchange.net> On Sunday 13 May 2012 12:16 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > parminder wrote: > >> May I humbly suggest that the real problem, which perhaps out of >> political correctness some people are hesitant to spell out here, is >> that you and many others here who are making these protestations trust >> the governments of the North and simply do not trust the governments of >> the South. >> > excuse me? > > Putting aside your 'humility', i find this persistent accusation to be disturbing. I for one have never found a government I trust. Maybe some people in some governments who I have met and worked with, but a government per se? Not likely. > I said 'many' and not 'all'. While you may excuse yourself out of this 'many', I do make this claim with responsibility, and from what one sees on a regular basis in IG spaces. And of course trusting a government is meant in a relative manner, we all do in our political work in IG spaces work more closely with and trust some governments more than others, like we do vis a vis other actors. Any absolute declaration, in this regard, of 'I trust no government' is as meaningless, and leads us nowhere, as 'I like all governments', However, if we are speaking of the institution of democratic government, yes, I have great faith in it. I am not sure that is what you are referring in your disclaimer. > But beyond that, this diremption you constantly insist upon in the fabric of civil society does help at all. For myself it make disucssion of any points impossible, knowing they will just be discounted becasue I am a government lover. > On the other hand, I myself often find it difficult to speak of democratic global governance without the risk of being discounted as a government lover. Now you know how the pinch feels :) Parminder > I, not at all humbly, suggest you leave the accusantions out of any discussion you wish people to take seriously. > > avri > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Sun May 13 04:59:24 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:59:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] AW: CIRP+ References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Parminder: WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no independent standing or decision making capacity. Wolfgang: Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, to create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG - to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended in EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to take the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG was that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you propose is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century. Parminder: CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with CIRP/ GA. Wolfgang: That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS & PS bureaus) on a lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise from the CS bureau was sidelined. We made 86 recommendations during PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and "arrogance" and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option of a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and march through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of the City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, Pierre Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can not give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated only by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in exchange for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS declaration. (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an adult. And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, not backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with the mistakes of the past. BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there is long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, but still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, you have to meet the challenges of tomorrow. Wolfgang -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 13 05:53:44 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:23:44 +0530 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4FAF84A8.2010003@itforchange.net> Wolfgang, I have many things to say about your arguments, but about that perhaps we can go on endlessly. But let me be pragmatic and precise. Do you agree that (1) there are many pressing global public policy issues, the kind of which OECD and CoE is so actively dealing with at present (2) it is not globally democratic that OECD and CoE as clubs of a few rich countries do all this (default) global policy making. If you do not agree to the above, lets just first discuss this. If you do, lets move to the next step Vide (2) above, developing countries, their governments as well as people, are obviously not happy with the situation. The May 18th meeting is about this specific problem. And you will also recognise the dangerous directions that our joint statement argues the Internet may be moving towards, and the need to address this problem. Since you seem to have some model in mind, inspired by WGIG or whatever, why dont you present a clear proposal of what global institutional mechanism should address the global public policy issues that are today addressed by OECD/CoE. Please tell us clearly what would be the structure of this new mechanism, what functions will it perform, and how, what would be its outcomes and how will they be implemented. How would it address the public policy imperatives in all IG areas that need global attention.... What would be its relationship with the current technical/ CIR governance system. People are looking for real solutions to real issues, and the May18 meeting is about that. I would request you to be as clear and precise about your model as possible... Otherwise, just criticising every model for change that is proposed is simply voting for the status quo. parminder On Sunday 13 May 2012 02:29 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Parminder: > WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no independent standing or decision making capacity. > > Wolfgang: > Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, to create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG - to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended in EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to take the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG was that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you propose is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century. > > Parminder: > CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with CIRP/ GA. > > Wolfgang: > That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS& PS bureaus) on a lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise from the CS bureau was sidelined. We made 86 recommendations during PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and "arrogance" and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option of a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and march through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of the City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, Pierre Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can not give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated only by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in exchange for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS declaration. (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). > > The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an adult. And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, not backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with the mistakes of the past. > > BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there is long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, but still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, you have to meet the challenges of tomorrow. > > Wolfgang > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun May 13 06:24:15 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:24:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <4FAF84A8.2010003@itforchange.net> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF84A8.2010003@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <692cedad-801f-4625-93c0-762a3b0e3201@email.android.com> Not that you asked anyone other than Wolfgang, but I propose we fix the existing multistakeholder Internet governance organizations and leave the UN out of it. As for those the regional inter-governmental organizations and the national governments, I propose people from those countries and regions work with them to prevent them from doing anything further that harms civil society. I, for one, do not endorse your CIRP+ proposal and hope that the IGC does not presume to endorse it as an 'organzation' avri avri parminder wrote: >Wolfgang, > >I have many things to say about your arguments, but about that perhaps >we can go on endlessly. But let me be pragmatic and precise. > >Do you agree that > >(1) there are many pressing global public policy issues, the kind of >which OECD and CoE is so actively dealing with at present > >(2) it is not globally democratic that OECD and CoE as clubs of a few >rich countries do all this (default) global policy making. > >If you do not agree to the above, lets just first discuss this. If you >do, lets move to the next step > >Vide (2) above, developing countries, their governments as well as >people, are obviously not happy with the situation. The May 18th >meeting >is about this specific problem. And you will also recognise the >dangerous directions that our joint statement argues the Internet may >be >moving towards, and the need to address this problem. > >Since you seem to have some model in mind, inspired by WGIG or >whatever, >why dont you present a clear proposal of what global institutional >mechanism should address the global public policy issues that are today > >addressed by OECD/CoE. Please tell us clearly what would be the >structure of this new mechanism, what functions will it perform, and >how, what would be its outcomes and how will they be implemented. How >would it address the public policy imperatives in all IG areas that >need >global attention.... What would be its relationship with the current >technical/ CIR governance system. People are looking for real solutions > >to real issues, and the May18 meeting is about that. I would request >you >to be as clear and precise about your model as possible... > >Otherwise, just criticising every model for change that is proposed is >simply voting for the status quo. > >parminder > > > > > > >On Sunday 13 May 2012 02:29 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: >> Parminder: >> WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no >independent standing or decision making capacity. >> >> Wolfgang: >> Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, to >create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG - >to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended in >EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to take >the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body >which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG was >that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and >drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you propose >is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th >century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century. >> >> Parminder: >> CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course >draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special >barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG >report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to >to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with >CIRP/ GA. >> >> Wolfgang: >> That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" >it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental >stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS& PS bureaus) on a >lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the >intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise >from the CS bureau was sidelined. We made 86 recommendations during >PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by >the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we >discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 >recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the >intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and "arrogance" >and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option of >a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of >the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS >process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and march >through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the >Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of the >City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, Pierre >Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They >argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their >documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can not >give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated only >by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to >participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in exchange >for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The >compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental >declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I >recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the >light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS >declaration. >(http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). >> >> The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad >experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was >still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an adult. >And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, not >backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with the >mistakes of the past. >> >> BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC >has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there is >long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, but >still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly >inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a >new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes >advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil >society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the >mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, you >have to meet the challenges of tomorrow. >> >> Wolfgang >> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun May 13 06:32:55 2012 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 06:32:55 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <651021c7-f938-41cb-87c6-4c421fe52c74@email.android.com> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF4F44.6040400@itforchange.net> <651021c7-f938-41cb-87c6-4c421fe52c74@email.android.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > parminder wrote: > > > >May I humbly suggest that the real problem, which perhaps out of > >political correctness some people are hesitant to spell out here, is > >that you and many others here who are making these protestations trust > >the governments of the North and simply do not trust the governments of > >the South. > > excuse me? > > Putting aside your 'humility', i find this persistent accusation to be > disturbing. I for one have never found a government I trust. Maybe some > people in some governments who I have met and worked with, but a government > per se? Not likely. > > hear hear, I am in the Gambia this week, and we are making Internet policy for the African region with governments as just another "stakeholder" amongst many (including lots of CS). The model works BTW, I have seen no one from Google/Cisco/FB/USG here this week. > But beyond that, this diremption you constantly insist upon in the fabric > of civil society does help at all. For myself it make disucssion of any > points impossible, knowing they will just be discounted becasue I am a > government lover. > > I, not at all humbly, suggest you leave the accusantions out of any > discussion you wish people to take seriously. > +1. Besides, it dilutes your arguments when you argue from a 'conspiracy theorist' POV. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun May 13 06:38:30 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:08:30 +0530 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <692cedad-801f-4625-93c0-762a3b0e3201@email.android.com> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF84A8.2010003@itforchange.net> <692cedad-801f-4625-93c0-762a3b0e3201@email.android.com> Message-ID: <4FAF8F26.4030305@itforchange.net> On Sunday 13 May 2012 03:54 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Not that you asked anyone other than Wolfgang, but > I propose we fix the existing multistakeholder Internet governance organizations and leave the UN out of it. > I am not sure you mean only technical/ CIR governance part of IG or also the larger public policies side, the kind of work that OECD's CICCP and CoE does. As for the technical/ CIR gov part of IG the joint CS statement that we circulated proposes not disturbing the distributed governance system, though improvements are needed which you seem to agree with. Only the US gov role in that system is not acceptable and that should be moved from there. I dont think it would do to ignore the other side of IG, that I dont see you address. CoE writes cyber security policies and export it to other countries, OECD writes principles for Internet-policy making and now seeks other countries to accept it, same with ACTA, CoE writes search engine guidelines, social networking guidelines, and by default they will inflate to become global guidlelines or rules. I find this side of IG even more important that the tech/CIR side. It is this other side of global Internet policy making that is significantly shaping the Internet as people of the world experience it, and people want to be able to participate equally in the policy making process. parminder > As for those the regional inter-governmental organizations and the national governments, I propose people from those countries and regions work with them to prevent them from doing anything further that harms civil society. > > I, for one, do not endorse your CIRP+ proposal and hope that the IGC does not presume to endorse it as an 'organzation' > > avri > > avri > > > parminder wrote: > > >> Wolfgang, >> >> I have many things to say about your arguments, but about that perhaps >> we can go on endlessly. But let me be pragmatic and precise. >> >> Do you agree that >> >> (1) there are many pressing global public policy issues, the kind of >> which OECD and CoE is so actively dealing with at present >> >> (2) it is not globally democratic that OECD and CoE as clubs of a few >> rich countries do all this (default) global policy making. >> >> If you do not agree to the above, lets just first discuss this. If you >> do, lets move to the next step >> >> Vide (2) above, developing countries, their governments as well as >> people, are obviously not happy with the situation. The May 18th >> meeting >> is about this specific problem. And you will also recognise the >> dangerous directions that our joint statement argues the Internet may >> be >> moving towards, and the need to address this problem. >> >> Since you seem to have some model in mind, inspired by WGIG or >> whatever, >> why dont you present a clear proposal of what global institutional >> mechanism should address the global public policy issues that are today >> >> addressed by OECD/CoE. Please tell us clearly what would be the >> structure of this new mechanism, what functions will it perform, and >> how, what would be its outcomes and how will they be implemented. How >> would it address the public policy imperatives in all IG areas that >> need >> global attention.... What would be its relationship with the current >> technical/ CIR governance system. People are looking for real solutions >> >> to real issues, and the May18 meeting is about that. I would request >> you >> to be as clear and precise about your model as possible... >> >> Otherwise, just criticising every model for change that is proposed is >> simply voting for the status quo. >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday 13 May 2012 02:29 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: >> >>> Parminder: >>> WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no >>> >> independent standing or decision making capacity. >> >>> Wolfgang: >>> Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, to >>> >> create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG - >> to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended in >> EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to take >> the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body >> which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG was >> that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and >> drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you propose >> is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th >> century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century. >> >>> Parminder: >>> CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course >>> >> draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special >> barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like WGIG >> report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted to >> to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with >> CIRP/ GA. >> >>> Wolfgang: >>> That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" >>> >> it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental >> stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS& PS bureaus) on a >> lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the >> intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise >> > >from the CS bureau was sidelined. We made 86 recommendations during > >> PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by >> the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we >> discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 >> recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the >> intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and "arrogance" >> and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option of >> a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of >> the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS >> process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and march >> through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the >> Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of the >> City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, Pierre >> Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They >> argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their >> documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can not >> give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated only >> by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want to >> participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in exchange >> for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The >> compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental >> declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I >> recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the >> light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS >> declaration. >> (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). >> >>> The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad >>> >> experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was >> still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an adult. >> And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, not >> backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with the >> mistakes of the past. >> >>> BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC >>> >> has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there is >> long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, but >> still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly >> inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a >> new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes >> advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil >> society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the >> mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, you >> have to meet the challenges of tomorrow. >> >>> Wolfgang >>> >>> >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun May 13 06:56:12 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:56:12 +0200 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <4FAF8F26.4030305@itforchange.net> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF84A8.2010003@itforchange.net> <692cedad-801f-4625-93c0-762a3b0e3201@email.android.com> <4FAF8F26.4030305@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <3dc4aaa1-991f-43f8-9bdf-3d4a4262fa07@email.android.com> I don't ignore the policy issues. That is largely what I meant by CS working to stop the intergovernmental organizations from creating more harm. For the most part I see most of the work done on cyber-crime etc as causing more harm than good, and something that needs to be fought by the CS groups who are local to those countries and regions. I include the IGF among the existing multistakeholder groups that I beleive needs fixing and think that it is the place for covering those global policy issues that do not fall into the technical or techno-policy areas already being covered. But I think there are very few issues that need to be governed at the purely policy level, becasue most of the purely policy governance i see, i beleive, causes more harm than good. And so while I would like to see more IGF work toward making substantive recommendations, I am happy that no organization, especially not the UN or any organization in its system or that is controled/initiated by the UN or any other inter-governmental treaty, have binding oversight over Interent policy governance. avri parminder wrote: > > >On Sunday 13 May 2012 03:54 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> Not that you asked anyone other than Wolfgang, but >> I propose we fix the existing multistakeholder Internet governance >organizations and leave the UN out of it. >> >I am not sure you mean only technical/ CIR governance part of IG or >also >the larger public policies side, the kind of work that OECD's CICCP and > >CoE does. As for the technical/ CIR gov part of IG the joint CS >statement that we circulated proposes not disturbing the distributed >governance system, though improvements are needed which you seem to >agree with. Only the US gov role in that system is not acceptable and >that should be moved from there. > >I dont think it would do to ignore the other side of IG, that I dont >see >you address. CoE writes cyber security policies and export it to other >countries, OECD writes principles for Internet-policy making and now >seeks other countries to accept it, same with ACTA, CoE writes search >engine guidelines, social networking guidelines, and by default they >will inflate to become global guidlelines or rules. I find this side of > >IG even more important that the tech/CIR side. It is this other side of > >global Internet policy making that is significantly shaping the >Internet >as people of the world experience it, and people want to be able to >participate equally in the policy making process. > >parminder > >> As for those the regional inter-governmental organizations and the >national governments, I propose people from those countries and regions >work with them to prevent them from doing anything further that harms >civil society. >> >> I, for one, do not endorse your CIRP+ proposal and hope that the IGC >does not presume to endorse it as an 'organzation' >> >> avri >> >> avri >> >> >> parminder wrote: >> >> >>> Wolfgang, >>> >>> I have many things to say about your arguments, but about that >perhaps >>> we can go on endlessly. But let me be pragmatic and precise. >>> >>> Do you agree that >>> >>> (1) there are many pressing global public policy issues, the kind of >>> which OECD and CoE is so actively dealing with at present >>> >>> (2) it is not globally democratic that OECD and CoE as clubs of a >few >>> rich countries do all this (default) global policy making. >>> >>> If you do not agree to the above, lets just first discuss this. If >you >>> do, lets move to the next step >>> >>> Vide (2) above, developing countries, their governments as well as >>> people, are obviously not happy with the situation. The May 18th >>> meeting >>> is about this specific problem. And you will also recognise the >>> dangerous directions that our joint statement argues the Internet >may >>> be >>> moving towards, and the need to address this problem. >>> >>> Since you seem to have some model in mind, inspired by WGIG or >>> whatever, >>> why dont you present a clear proposal of what global institutional >>> mechanism should address the global public policy issues that are >today >>> >>> addressed by OECD/CoE. Please tell us clearly what would be the >>> structure of this new mechanism, what functions will it perform, and >>> how, what would be its outcomes and how will they be implemented. >How >>> would it address the public policy imperatives in all IG areas that >>> need >>> global attention.... What would be its relationship with the current >>> technical/ CIR governance system. People are looking for real >solutions >>> >>> to real issues, and the May18 meeting is about that. I would request >>> you >>> to be as clear and precise about your model as possible... >>> >>> Otherwise, just criticising every model for change that is proposed >is >>> simply voting for the status quo. >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday 13 May 2012 02:29 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: >>> >>>> Parminder: >>>> WGIG was an advisory body to the intergovernmental WSIS. It had no >>>> >>> independent standing or decision making capacity. >>> >>>> Wolfgang: >>>> Formally you are right. But de facto, WGIG "decided" to define IG, >to >>>> >>> create the IGF and - as a result of a lack of consensus within WGIG >- >>> to launch a process for further discussion on oversight (which ended >in >>> EC). A new WGIG would not just repeat what the old was. It has to >take >>> the next formal step: From an body which prepares decision to a body >>> which is able to produce rough consensus. The innovation with WGIG >was >>> that all stakeholders participated equally in the discussion and >>> drafting of the report. Membership was not "layered". What you >propose >>> is a "layered" system. This is the hierarchical thinking of the 20th >>> century. What we need is a network thinking for the 21st century. >>> >>>> Parminder: >>>> CIRP proposes three separate advisory bodies which can of course >>>> >>> draft clear, written recs like WGIG did. I dont even see any special >>> barrier for them to do it together if they so wish, but then like >WGIG >>> report went to WSIS, and it took and left out things that it wanted >to >>> to draft the authoritative Tunis documents, the same may happen with >>> CIRP/ GA. >>> >>>> Wolfgang: >>>> That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" >>>> >>> it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental >>> stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS& PS bureaus) on a >>> lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", >the >>> intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the >advise >>> >> >from the CS bureau was sidelined. We made 86 recommendations during >> >>> PrepCom3 (September 2003) and when we analyzed the draft produced by >>> the intergovernmental bureau after they got our recommendations we >>> discovered, that 82 recommendations were totally ignored and that 4 >>> recommendations went into very vague paragraphs of the >>> intergovernmental document. We called this "ignorance" and >"arrogance" >>> and this produced a deep crisis for the whole summit with the option >of >>> a walkout of Civil Society. It needed a lot of diplomatic efforts of >>> the Swiss president Pierre Couchepin to keep the CS inside the WSIS >>> process (a lot of CS wanted to got to Plan B and to protest and >march >>> through the streets of Geneva). I remember two night sessions in the >>> Swiss embassy in Geneva, a special invitation by the Lord Mayor of >the >>> City of Geneva and a press conference with Minister Marc Furrer, >Pierre >>> Couchepin, Utsumi, Karen Banks and me in the conference center. They >>> argued that they can not include CS proposals directly into their >>> documents which are negotiated among governments. We argued we can >not >>> give (the wanted) legitimicy to a declaration which is negotiated >only >>> by governments. CS was invited to WSIS, now we are here and we want >to >>> participate in Realpolitik. To give us a seat on the table in >exchange >>> for being silent if it comes to decision making is no option. The >>> compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A >governmental >>> declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I >>> recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in >the >>> light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society >WSIS >>> declaration. >>> (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). >>> >>>> The Geneva compromise was good for the moment. But it was a bad >>>> >>> experience. It was 2003. At this time the multistakeholder model was >>> still a baby. It grew with WGIG. Now it is a child. Not yet an >adult. >>> And you want to repeat this experience now in 2012? Look forward, >not >>> backwards and be more innovative. There is no need to continue with >the >>> mistakes of the past. >>> >>>> BTW, you always critisize OECD. Did you notice the problems CISAC >>>> >>> has? The step forward is that it can make its voice heard. But there >is >>> long way to participate in decision making. CISAC is on the road, >but >>> still in the rain. The OECD model - and CIRP is obviously partly >>> inspired by it - is good for an existing organisation, but not for a >>> new one. If the 2nd Committee of the UNGA (or the ITU) establishes >>> advisory bodies for non-govenrmental stakeholders, including civil >>> society, this would be an interesting proposal to enhance the >>> mechanisms of yesterday. But if you want to create something new, >you >>> have to meet the challenges of tomorrow. >>> >>>> Wolfgang >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sun May 13 08:57:31 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:57:31 +0800 Subject: [governance] CIRP+ In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <6D6899A1E5984901A2C7561B7A4649BD@UserVAIO> <4FAA73E0.1050404@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCD2@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4FAF5549.9080202@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8010CCCF7@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <8E8EA838-99E2-40A4-870D-559063C14524@ciroap.org> On 13/05/2012, at 4:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > That is the problem with CIRP. CIRP does no follow the "WGIG model" it follows the "WSIS Bureau model" where the non-governmental stakeholders were put into isolated baskets (CS & PS bureaus) on a lower layer with the option to give "advise" to the "master layer", the intergovernmental bureau. In the reality of the WSIS case, the advise from the CS bureau was sidelined. I was glad to see the CIRP proposal put forward because it was the first (and still the only) concrete proposal for an enhanced cooperation model from any government, and it was neither surprising nor particularly alarming that it maintained a silo approach. This is a tried and tested model, and there is merit in beginning that way. Even within purely intergovernmental fora, the diplomats make all their decisions within their country blocs. Only in the formal stages of decision making do they come back together, and that stage is basically just theatre. So in my own proposal for a consociational bureau for the IGF, I had designed something similar. The stakeholder groups would come together at the beginning and end, and they would deliberate together to a point, but ultimately they would have to agree on any proposal by negotiating separately in private, by whatever means they are accustomed to and comfortable with. This would deliver the best of both worlds: the groups would come together on an equal footing during the opinion formation stage, but the formal decision-taking phase would be in the silos. At that level, oil and water do not mix. > The compromise was to have two final documents in the end: A governmental declaration and the civil society declaration. It makes sense (and I recommend this not only to you but to everybody) to read again - in the light of the experiences of the last ten years - the civil society WSIS declaration. (http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/geneva/civil-society-declaration.pdf). This happens elsewhere too. I was at UNCTAD XIII last month, and the civil society declaration was the only place where we could be sure our concerns would be reflected, but at least it is a formal output of the conference, on the public record and translated into all the UN languages. I agree it is far from ideal, but again, one had to start somewhere. One would hope we could innovate further in 2012. The CIRP model is, at least, a progression from that. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Senior Policy Officer Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Follow @ConsumersInt Like us at www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The workshop takes place on Thursday 17th May, 16.15-18.00. Rethinking the Agenda for Development: Open Access Policies and Practice Open access seeks to remove price and permission barriers that prevent knowledge from being shared. It creates an unprecedented opportunity to provide equality of access to essential research information and to raise awareness of national research. The WSIS Forum 2012 offers a timely opportunity to look at current achievements in the field of open access - policies and practices - and hold a detailed discussion about their implications for development and how open access can help to rethink the development agenda. The workshop's starting point will be a presentation of best practice regarding the implementation of open access policies - how they were drawn up and implemented, and whether their results not only increased content but also allayed concerned on the part of researchers. Following an introduction of policies the workshop will call on presenters who are currently in the middle of similar processes, and they will describe the challenges they are facing to implement their programmes. The second part of the workshop will focus more on advice and tools to implement open access policies in support of development. Participants will be encouraged to bring their problems, hypothetical or real, to the panel for advice and discussion. This interactive session will be able to harness contributions from in the room and also from remote participants. Presenters will be joined on a panel by an expert on the development agenda. Panellists in Geneva: * Lars Bjornshauge, Director of Library Relations, SPARC Europe and Chair of International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) Open Access Taskforce (Denmark) * Eve Gray, Honorary Research Associate, Centre for Educational Technology, University of Cape Town (South Africa) * Silvia Nakano, Director of the Science & Technology National Directorate of Physical Resources, Ministry of Science Technology and Productive Innovation (Argentina) * Stuart Hamilton, Director of Policy and Advocacy, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (United Kingdom) Further information on the session can be found here: http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/DraftAgenda.aspx?se=42173 Remote Participation For those of you who cannot make it to Geneva, you can follow in the workshop online, and even use the remote participation facilities to ask questions to the panellists or make observation. Further information can be found here: http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.asp x Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any questions, and do feel free to forward this message further to your networks. For anyone with an interest in open access who will not be in Geneva, I strongly encourage you to consider remote participation so that we can have a good discussion and make sure that all viewpoints are covered. Kind regards, Stuart Stuart Hamilton Director of Policy and Advocacy International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) P.O. Box 95312 2509 CH The Hague Netherlands 00 31 70 314 0884 Twitter: @iflaspa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We may not do "formal statement" all the way, but plan to make effective interventions based on these points. Please give your responses we will try to accommodate as much as possible. izumi Draft Talking points from IGC to the MAG Open Consultation May 15 2012 MAG renewal Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is pleased to see some new faces and bloods in the renewed MAG, as well as some old faces, and appreciate the effort of the UN Secretariat for the selection of some of our nominees. We also like to point out some concerns, however: On MAG selection We still feel that there is a room to improve the openness and transparency of the selection process. We also note that timing of the selection was too close to the May meeting so that some of our colleagues have difficulty in getting the discount rate of air ticket and hotel accommodations. Financial Support We also like to point out that the though there has been some financial assistance to the travel for MAG members from the developing countries, civil society members in the non-developing countries, people like myself, also do not have such financially allowance, and need to make hard effort to support own cost of travels. Remote Participation We are grateful to the past hosts of the IGF, especially recent ones in Vilnius and Nairobi, for their attention to the Remote Participation. We also urge the need for better preparation, financing and implementation for the RP for Baku meeting and support the RP Working Group (host country, Secretary, volunteers, moderators) following our past best practices with more support and recognition. Organization of remote hubs has been huge challenges. More support for remote moderators. Aggregating the outcomes of whole workshops – on internet. Internetization of whole IGF. Include true free broadband in Host Country Agreement, to make sure the RP works, and also free Internet is guaranteed during IGF. We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. Guarantee Freedom of Association. There are technical dimensions and institutional/planning dimensions for Remote participation, both are mutually conducive, but should be treated separately. Workshop selection Ask organizers to fill the new template to qualify for final selection. Specify speakers, clear information on what the purposes. Modality. Five basic questions before we make final selection. Let MAG members give more advices to the substance and organization of the workshops, ie include more from South, gender balance, etc. Explore and encourage innovative ones. Many are repetitive. Ask people to tag proposals. CSTD WG Improvements Report We support the substance of this Report and urge us/MAG/IGF community to work hard to implement collectively. Need for MAG – being driving engine, as well as facilitator/catalyst, not self-decision making body per se. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon May 14 14:57:34 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 03:57:34 +0900 Subject: [governance] Tomorrow morning 10:30 at ILO Coffee shop Message-ID: For those CS members (IGC or not) who are in town in Geneva going to attend IGF MAG consultation, we will meet around 10:30 am, for brief sharing of views and info. See you there, izumi -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Mon May 14 15:22:23 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:22:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] Aggregated Proposal for the Workshop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 03:49:38 on Tue, 15 May 2012, Izumi AIZU writes >Hi, I like to share this PDF file including all workshop proposals, sent to MAG >for your convenience. Thanks for sharing that. There's nothing that isn't available a bite at a time from the IGF website, but having it as a single searchable file is very useful. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu Mon May 14 16:20:59 2012 From: y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu (Yuliya Morenets) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:20:59 +0000 Subject: [governance] WSIS Briefing session_15.05.12_13:30-14:00_Online course presentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear all, During WSIS forum, TaC will organize a briefing session that will take place tomorrow (15.05) from 13:30 to 14:00, Room XI to present its Basic online course for local authorities representatives on the use of ICTs by people with migrant background for better mutual understanding. I would like to invite everyone to attend. Hope to see you tomorrow, Best regards, Yuliya Morenets TaC-Together against Cybercrime -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Mon May 14 17:01:05 2012 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:01:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] WSIS Briefing session_15.05.12_13:30-14:00_Online course presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Yuliya Seeking clarity - what would be "people with a migrant background"? Best regards, Rui On 14 May 2012 21:20, Yuliya Morenets wrote: > Dear all, > > During WSIS forum, TaC will organize a briefing session that will take > place tomorrow (15.05) from 13:30 to 14:00, Room XI to present its Basic > online course for local authorities representatives on the use of ICTs > by people with migrant background for better mutual understanding. > > I would like to invite everyone to attend. > > Hope to see you tomorrow, > > Best regards, Yuliya Morenets > TaC-Together against Cybercrime > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon May 14 17:39:00 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:39:00 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] Why does Azerbaijan hate the Internet? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From judyokite at gmail.com Tue May 15 03:44:46 2012 From: judyokite at gmail.com (Judy Okite) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:44:46 +0300 Subject: [governance] Draft "talking points" for MAG Consultation tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Izumi, All just a few comments (inset) *“Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly impossible” Edwin Land* On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > We have been discussing about the preparation for the MAG, here are > the talking points. > We may not do "formal statement" all the way, but plan to make > effective interventions > based on these points. > > Please give your responses we will try to accommodate as much as possible. > > > izumi > > > > Draft Talking points from IGC to the MAG Open Consultation > May 15 2012 > > MAG renewal > Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is pleased to see some new > faces and bloods in the renewed MAG, as well as some old faces, and > appreciate the effort of the UN Secretariat for the selection of some > of our nominees. > We also like to point out some concerns, however: > > On MAG selection > We still feel that there is a room to improve the openness and > transparency of the selection process. We also note that timing of the > selection was too close to the May meeting so that some of our > colleagues have difficulty in getting the discount rate of air ticket > and hotel accommodations. > > Financial Support > We also like to point out that the though there has been some > financial assistance to the travel for MAG members from the developing > countries, civil society members in the non-developing countries, > people like myself, also do not have such financially allowance, and > need to make hard effort to support own cost of travels. > I think it would only be fair to request, if the Secretariat would say, they would be able to support certain number of people: from developing countries (number?) from developed countries (number?) those in need of support, send your request and it will be based on first come basis, that way we may see a number of rotational groups meeting physically, but does not mean that if you made the request for an earlier meeting you cannot make it for another. > Remote Participation > We are grateful to the past hosts of the IGF, especially recent ones > in Vilnius and Nairobi, for their attention to the Remote > Participation. We also urge the need for better preparation, financing > and implementation for the RP for Baku meeting and support the RP > Working Group (host country, Secretary, volunteers, moderators) > following our past best practices with more support and recognition. > Organization of remote hubs has been huge challenges. > > More support for remote moderators. Aggregating the outcomes of whole > workshops – on internet. Internetization of whole IGF. > > Include true free broadband in Host Country Agreement, to make sure > the RP works, and also free Internet is guaranteed during IGF. > > We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. > Guarantee Freedom of Association. > > I think this will be taking us back to the ages, we all know video surveillance makes physical security easier , even for the security personnel. I support video surveillance . There are technical dimensions and institutional/planning dimensions > for Remote participation, both are mutually conducive, but should be > treated separately. > > Workshop selection > Ask organizers to fill the new template to qualify for final selection. > Specify speakers, clear information on what the purposes. Modality. > Five basic questions before we make final selection. > Let MAG members give more advices to the substance and organization of > the workshops, ie include more from South, gender balance, etc. > Explore and encourage innovative ones. Many are repetitive. > Ask people to tag proposals. > > CSTD WG Improvements Report > We support the substance of this Report and urge us/MAG/IGF community > to work hard to implement collectively. Need for MAG – being driving > engine, as well as facilitator/catalyst, not self-decision making body > per se. > > Physical Accessibility it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is accessible and usable for PWD . The registration Form Must collect full details of the delegates , Disability? Special diet? to even make the work for the organizers easier. Kind Regards, > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. Guarantee Freedom of Association. please ensure that 'free' is clearly defined - free as in without cost and free as without constraint. We need both. on the second point - a comment - where do you draw the line between remote participation with video and video surveillance? and given RP with video anyone who speaks can be both seen and heard by anyone so while we can ask for/insist that Azeri freedom of expression be guaranteed there will need to be some other mechanism as well, and I can't think what that could be. In which case it might be preferable to say nothing. Just a - rather unclear - thought. Got up for 9am meeting forgetting that it's at 11 - 4am here :-( Deirdre On 14 May 2012 14:55, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > We have been discussing about the preparation for the MAG, here are > the talking points. > We may not do "formal statement" all the way, but plan to make > effective interventions > based on these points. > > Please give your responses we will try to accommodate as much as possible. > > > izumi > > > > Draft Talking points from IGC to the MAG Open Consultation > May 15 2012 > > MAG renewal > Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is pleased to see some new > faces and bloods in the renewed MAG, as well as some old faces, and > appreciate the effort of the UN Secretariat for the selection of some > of our nominees. > We also like to point out some concerns, however: > > On MAG selection > We still feel that there is a room to improve the openness and > transparency of the selection process. We also note that timing of the > selection was too close to the May meeting so that some of our > colleagues have difficulty in getting the discount rate of air ticket > and hotel accommodations. > > Financial Support > We also like to point out that the though there has been some > financial assistance to the travel for MAG members from the developing > countries, civil society members in the non-developing countries, > people like myself, also do not have such financially allowance, and > need to make hard effort to support own cost of travels. > > Remote Participation > We are grateful to the past hosts of the IGF, especially recent ones > in Vilnius and Nairobi, for their attention to the Remote > Participation. We also urge the need for better preparation, financing > and implementation for the RP for Baku meeting and support the RP > Working Group (host country, Secretary, volunteers, moderators) > following our past best practices with more support and recognition. > Organization of remote hubs has been huge challenges. > > More support for remote moderators. Aggregating the outcomes of whole > workshops – on internet. Internetization of whole IGF. > > Include true free broadband in Host Country Agreement, to make sure > the RP works, and also free Internet is guaranteed during IGF. > > We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. > Guarantee Freedom of Association. > > There are technical dimensions and institutional/planning dimensions > for Remote participation, both are mutually conducive, but should be > treated separately. > > Workshop selection > Ask organizers to fill the new template to qualify for final selection. > Specify speakers, clear information on what the purposes. Modality. > Five basic questions before we make final selection. > Let MAG members give more advices to the substance and organization of > the workshops, ie include more from South, gender balance, etc. > Explore and encourage innovative ones. Many are repetitive. > Ask people to tag proposals. > > CSTD WG Improvements Report > We support the substance of this Report and urge us/MAG/IGF community > to work hard to implement collectively. Need for MAG – being driving > engine, as well as facilitator/catalyst, not self-decision making body > per se. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 05:35:50 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:35:50 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began Message-ID: Here is the link to the live webcast: WSIS Forum page: http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ Actual link: rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. will report more as we proceed, izumi -- -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From keishactaylor at gmail.com Tue May 15 05:59:42 2012 From: keishactaylor at gmail.com (Keisha Taylor) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:59:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there anything I should do? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Here is the link to the live webcast: > WSIS Forum page: > http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ > > Actual link: > rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm > > UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. > > will report more as we proceed, > > izumi > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 06:04:11 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:04:11 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft "talking points" for MAG Consultation tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just made point on Judy's comment on the Physical Accessibility: it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is accessible and usable for PWD . For those IGC members in the Consultation room, please do not hesitate to bring issues of your concern. Myself being the coordinator but also the MAG like to make minimal intervention and let my colleagues speak up. izumi 2012/5/15 Judy Okite : > Hello Izumi, All > > just a few comments (inset) > > > “Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly > impossible” Edwin Land > > > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> Dear list, >> >> We have been discussing about the preparation for the MAG, here are >> the talking points. >> We may not do "formal statement" all the way, but plan to make >> effective interventions >> based on these points. >> >> Please give your responses we will try to accommodate as much as possible. >> >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> Draft Talking points from IGC to the MAG Open Consultation >> May 15 2012 >> >> MAG renewal >> Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is pleased to see some new >> faces and bloods in the renewed MAG, as well as some old faces, and >> appreciate the effort of the UN Secretariat for the selection of some >> of our nominees. >> We also like to point out some concerns, however: >> >> On MAG selection >> We still feel that there is a room to improve the openness and >> transparency of the selection process. We also note that timing of the >> selection was too close to the May meeting so that some of our >> colleagues have difficulty in getting the discount rate of air ticket >> and hotel accommodations. >> >> Financial Support >> We also like to point out that the though there has been some >> financial assistance to the travel for MAG members from the developing >> countries, civil society members in the non-developing countries, >> people like myself, also do not have such financially allowance, and >> need to make hard effort to support own cost of travels. > > > I think it would only be fair to request, if the Secretariat would say, they > would be able to support certain number of people: > from developing countries (number?) > from developed countries (number?) > > those in need of support, send your request and it will be based on first > come basis, that way we may see a number of  rotational groups meeting > physically, but does not mean that if you made the request for an earlier > meeting you cannot make it for another. > >> >> Remote Participation >> We are grateful to the past hosts of the IGF, especially recent ones >> in Vilnius and Nairobi, for their attention to the Remote >> Participation. We also urge the need for better preparation, financing >> and implementation for the RP for Baku meeting and support the RP >> Working Group (host country, Secretary, volunteers, moderators) >> following our past best practices with more support and recognition. >> Organization of remote hubs has been huge challenges. >> >> More support for remote moderators. Aggregating the outcomes of whole >> workshops – on internet.  Internetization of whole IGF. >> >> Include true free broadband in Host Country Agreement, to make sure >> the RP works, and also free Internet is guaranteed during IGF. >> >> We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. >> Guarantee Freedom of Association. >> > I think this will be taking us back to the ages,  we all know video > surveillance makes physical security easier , even for the security > personnel.  I support video surveillance . > >> There are technical dimensions and institutional/planning dimensions >> for Remote participation, both are mutually conducive, but should be >> treated separately. >> >> Workshop selection >>  Ask organizers to fill the new template to qualify for final selection. >>  Specify speakers, clear information on what the purposes. Modality. >>  Five basic questions before we make final selection. >> Let MAG members give more advices to the substance and organization of >> the workshops, ie include more from South, gender balance, etc. >> Explore and encourage innovative ones. Many are repetitive. >> Ask people to tag proposals. >> >> CSTD WG Improvements Report >> We support the substance of this Report and urge us/MAG/IGF community >> to work hard to implement collectively.  Need for MAG – being driving >> engine, as well as facilitator/catalyst, not self-decision making body >> per se. >> > > Physical Accessibility > > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is  accessible > and usable for PWD . > > The  registration Form > Must collect full details of the delegates , Disability? Special diet? to > even make the work for the organizers easier. > > Kind Regards, > >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > --                      >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katycarvt at gmail.com Tue May 15 06:16:31 2012 From: katycarvt at gmail.com (Katy P) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:16:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine didn't work either. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor wrote: > Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there > anything I should do? > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Here is the link to the live webcast: >> WSIS Forum page: >> http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ >> >> Actual link: >> rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm >> >> UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. >> >> will report more as we proceed, >> >> izumi >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Make sure you have real player Sent from my iPhone On 15 May 2012, at 11:16, Katy P wrote: > Mine didn't work either. > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor wrote: > Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there anything I should do? > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Here is the link to the live webcast: > WSIS Forum page: > http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ > > Actual link: > rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm > > UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. > > will report more as we proceed, > > izumi > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Jasper.Schellekens at comnet.org.mt Tue May 15 07:01:03 2012 From: Jasper.Schellekens at comnet.org.mt (Jasper Schellekens) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:01:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another alternative would be to use the Adobe Connects and choose the room in which you want to participate: http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.asp x Room II – will host the informal meeting of the IGF initiatives from 13.30 to 14.30 Regards, Jasper cid:image001.jpg at 01CB8C85.2DCB5370 Jasper Schellekens Project Officer m: (356) 996 09 522 | e: jasper.schellekens at comnet.org.mt w: www.comnet.org.mt | t: (356) 21 323393 ALFIR, Reggie Miller Street, Gzira, GZR 1541, MALTA From: Katy P [mailto:katycarvt at gmail.com] Sent: 15 May 2012 12:17 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Keisha Taylor Subject: Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began Mine didn't work either. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor wrote: Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there anything I should do? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: Here is the link to the live webcast: WSIS Forum page: http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ Actual link: rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. will report more as we proceed, izumi -- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried II but there's nothing there at the ,moment Thanks De On 15 May 2012 05:35, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Here is the link to the live webcast: > WSIS Forum page: > http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ > > Actual link: > rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm > > UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. > > will report more as we proceed, > > izumi > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Deirdre On 15 May 2012 07:01, Jasper Schellekens wrote: > Another alternative would be to use the Adobe Connects and choose the room > in which you want to participate:**** > > ** ** > > http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.aspx* > *** > > ** ** > > Room II – will host the informal meeting of the IGF initiatives from*13.30 to 14.30 > ***** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > Jasper**** > > ** ** > > [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01CB8C85.2DCB5370]**** > > *Jasper Schellekens*** > > *Project Officer* > *m: *(356) 996 09 522 | *e:* jasper.schellekens at comnet.org.mt > *w: *www.comnet.org.mt | *t: *(356) 21 323393 > > ALFIR, Reggie Miller Street, Gzira, GZR 1541, MALTA** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Katy P [mailto:katycarvt at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 15 May 2012 12:17 > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Keisha Taylor > *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began**** > > ** ** > > Mine didn't work either.**** > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor > wrote:**** > > Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there > anything I should do?**** > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:**** > > Here is the link to the live webcast: > WSIS Forum page: > http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ > > Actual link: > rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm > > UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. > > will report more as we proceed, > > izumi > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > ** ** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm 'in' geneva, 'in' room 2 - no meeting ??? De On 15 May 2012 06:04, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Just made point on Judy's comment on the Physical Accessibility: > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is > accessible and usable for PWD . > > For those IGC members in the Consultation room, please do not hesitate to > bring issues of your concern. Myself being the coordinator but also the MAG > like to make minimal intervention and let my colleagues speak up. > > izumi > > > 2012/5/15 Judy Okite : > > Hello Izumi, All > > > > just a few comments (inset) > > > > > > “Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly > > impossible” Edwin Land > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> > >> Dear list, > >> > >> We have been discussing about the preparation for the MAG, here are > >> the talking points. > >> We may not do "formal statement" all the way, but plan to make > >> effective interventions > >> based on these points. > >> > >> Please give your responses we will try to accommodate as much as > possible. > >> > >> > >> izumi > >> > >> > >> > >> Draft Talking points from IGC to the MAG Open Consultation > >> May 15 2012 > >> > >> MAG renewal > >> Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is pleased to see some new > >> faces and bloods in the renewed MAG, as well as some old faces, and > >> appreciate the effort of the UN Secretariat for the selection of some > >> of our nominees. > >> We also like to point out some concerns, however: > >> > >> On MAG selection > >> We still feel that there is a room to improve the openness and > >> transparency of the selection process. We also note that timing of the > >> selection was too close to the May meeting so that some of our > >> colleagues have difficulty in getting the discount rate of air ticket > >> and hotel accommodations. > >> > >> Financial Support > >> We also like to point out that the though there has been some > >> financial assistance to the travel for MAG members from the developing > >> countries, civil society members in the non-developing countries, > >> people like myself, also do not have such financially allowance, and > >> need to make hard effort to support own cost of travels. > > > > > > I think it would only be fair to request, if the Secretariat would say, > they > > would be able to support certain number of people: > > from developing countries (number?) > > from developed countries (number?) > > > > those in need of support, send your request and it will be based on first > > come basis, that way we may see a number of rotational groups meeting > > physically, but does not mean that if you made the request for an earlier > > meeting you cannot make it for another. > > > >> > >> Remote Participation > >> We are grateful to the past hosts of the IGF, especially recent ones > >> in Vilnius and Nairobi, for their attention to the Remote > >> Participation. We also urge the need for better preparation, financing > >> and implementation for the RP for Baku meeting and support the RP > >> Working Group (host country, Secretary, volunteers, moderators) > >> following our past best practices with more support and recognition. > >> Organization of remote hubs has been huge challenges. > >> > >> More support for remote moderators. Aggregating the outcomes of whole > >> workshops – on internet. Internetization of whole IGF. > >> > >> Include true free broadband in Host Country Agreement, to make sure > >> the RP works, and also free Internet is guaranteed during IGF. > >> > >> We don’t want video surveillance, let people to be able to feel free. > >> Guarantee Freedom of Association. > >> > > I think this will be taking us back to the ages, we all know video > > surveillance makes physical security easier , even for the security > > personnel. I support video surveillance . > > > >> There are technical dimensions and institutional/planning dimensions > >> for Remote participation, both are mutually conducive, but should be > >> treated separately. > >> > >> Workshop selection > >> Ask organizers to fill the new template to qualify for final selection. > >> Specify speakers, clear information on what the purposes. Modality. > >> Five basic questions before we make final selection. > >> Let MAG members give more advices to the substance and organization of > >> the workshops, ie include more from South, gender balance, etc. > >> Explore and encourage innovative ones. Many are repetitive. > >> Ask people to tag proposals. > >> > >> CSTD WG Improvements Report > >> We support the substance of this Report and urge us/MAG/IGF community > >> to work hard to implement collectively. Need for MAG – being driving > >> engine, as well as facilitator/catalyst, not self-decision making body > >> per se. > >> > > > > Physical Accessibility > > > > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is accessible > > and usable for PWD . > > > > The registration Form > > Must collect full details of the delegates , Disability? Special diet? to > > even make the work for the organizers easier. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue May 15 08:01:24 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:01:24 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Izumi and others in Geneva, is there any news about the position of the Executive Coordinator? Was anything said about the implementation of the CSTD WG report? I mean, implementation on formal grounds, with time schedule, sharing of tasks, etc? I think this is something that the MAG could discuss tomorrow: the need for a plan for the implementation of the report that would take each suggestion for improvement, divide it into sub-actions, estimate costs, share tasks, estimate time. Marília Ps: De, maybe they are on lunch brake? Let's try again a little later. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Jasper, > Which room please? > Programme says Room 2 and I'm 'there' on Adobe but the meeting isn't. > HELP! > Thanks Deirdre > > > On 15 May 2012 07:01, Jasper Schellekens > wrote: > >> Another alternative would be to use the Adobe Connects and choose the >> room in which you want to participate:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.aspx >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Room II – will host the informal meeting of the IGF initiatives from*13.30 to 14.30 >> ***** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards,**** >> >> Jasper**** >> >> ** ** >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01CB8C85.2DCB5370]**** >> >> *Jasper Schellekens*** >> >> *Project Officer* >> *m: *(356) 996 09 522 | *e:* jasper.schellekens at comnet.org.mt >> *w: *www.comnet.org.mt | *t: *(356) 21 323393 >> >> ALFIR, Reggie Miller Street, Gzira, GZR 1541, MALTA** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Katy P [mailto:katycarvt at gmail.com] >> *Sent:* 15 May 2012 12:17 >> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Keisha Taylor >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Mine didn't work either.**** >> >> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor >> wrote:**** >> >> Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there >> anything I should do?**** >> >> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:**** >> >> Here is the link to the live webcast: >> WSIS Forum page: >> http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ >> >> Actual link: >> rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm >> >> UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. >> >> will report more as we proceed, >> >> izumi >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3940 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue May 15 08:24:15 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:24:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1295fea9-67fd-465d-ac32-7868edd4272c@email.android.com> Marilia Maciel wrote: >Izumi and others in Geneva, is there any news about the position of the >Executive Coordinator? Yes. For now that position is closed and all 90 applicants have been informed they will not be hiring. The reason given was lack of sufficient funding. > >Was anything said about the implementation of the CSTD WG report? Not yet. I >mean, >implementation on formal grounds, with time schedule, sharing of tasks, >etc? I think this is something that the MAG could discuss tomorrow: the >need for a plan for the implementation of the report that would take >each >suggestion for improvement, divide it into sub-actions, estimate costs, >share tasks, estimate time. Good idea > >Marília >Ps: De, maybe they are on lunch brake? Let's try again a little later. > >On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Deirdre Williams < >williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Jasper, >> Which room please? >> Programme says Room 2 and I'm 'there' on Adobe but the meeting isn't. >> HELP! >> Thanks Deirdre >> >> >> On 15 May 2012 07:01, Jasper Schellekens >> > wrote: >> >>> Another alternative would be to use the Adobe Connects and choose >the >>> room in which you want to participate:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.aspx >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Room II – will host the informal meeting of the IGF initiatives >from*13.30 to 14.30 >>> ***** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Regards,**** >>> >>> Jasper**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01CB8C85.2DCB5370]**** >>> >>> *Jasper Schellekens*** >>> >>> *Project Officer* >>> *m: *(356) 996 09 522 | *e:* >jasper.schellekens at comnet.org.mt >>> *w: *www.comnet.org.mt | *t: *(356) 21 323393 >>> >>> ALFIR, Reggie Miller Street, Gzira, GZR 1541, MALTA** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Katy P [mailto:katycarvt at gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* 15 May 2012 12:17 >>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Keisha Taylor >>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Mine didn't work either.**** >>> >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor > >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is >there >>> anything I should do?**** >>> >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU >wrote:**** >>> >>> Here is the link to the live webcast: >>> WSIS Forum page: >>> http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ >>> >>> Actual link: >>> rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm >>> >>> UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. >>> >>> will report more as we proceed, >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > >-- >Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >FGV Direito Rio > >Center for Technology and Society >Getulio Vargas Foundation >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Tue May 15 08:28:05 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:05 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DB26817-6A05-4D0D-9F4A-5FA57A741CC0@uzh.ch> Hi Marilia DESA says there can be no movement on hiring another EC due to budgetary issues and the constraints imposed by Member Governments. Best Bill On May 15, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Izumi and others in Geneva, is there any news about the position of the Executive Coordinator? > > Was anything said about the implementation of the CSTD WG report? I mean, implementation on formal grounds, with time schedule, sharing of tasks, etc? I think this is something that the MAG could discuss tomorrow: the need for a plan for the implementation of the report that would take each suggestion for improvement, divide it into sub-actions, estimate costs, share tasks, estimate time. > > Marília > Ps: De, maybe they are on lunch brake? Let's try again a little later. > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Dear Jasper, > Which room please? > Programme says Room 2 and I'm 'there' on Adobe but the meeting isn't. > HELP! > Thanks Deirdre > > > On 15 May 2012 07:01, Jasper Schellekens wrote: > Another alternative would be to use the Adobe Connects and choose the room in which you want to participate: > > > > http://groups.itu.int/wsis-forum2012/Agenda/RemoteParticipationRooms.aspx > > > > Room II – will host the informal meeting of the IGF initiatives from 13.30 to 14.30 > > > > Regards, > > Jasper > > > > > > Jasper Schellekens > > Project Officer > m: (356) 996 09 522 | e: jasper.schellekens at comnet.org.mt > w: www.comnet.org.mt | t: (356) 21 323393 > > ALFIR, Reggie Miller Street, Gzira, GZR 1541, MALTA > > > > > > From: Katy P [mailto:katycarvt at gmail.com] > Sent: 15 May 2012 12:17 > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Keisha Taylor > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation just began > > > > Mine didn't work either. > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Keisha Taylor wrote: > > Thanks. Clicked on it, but it does not appear to be working. Is there anything I should do? > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Here is the link to the live webcast: > WSIS Forum page: > http://www.itu.int/ibs/WSIS/201205forum/ > > Actual link: > rtsp://ituconf.ilo.org/broadcast/II-now-en.rm > > UNDESA and Chair, making opening remarks. > > will report more as we proceed, > > izumi > > > -- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue May 15 09:12:16 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:12:16 -0300 Subject: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva In-Reply-To: References: <4FAD2F04.30004@apc.org> Message-ID: I have been invited to replace some speaker on the EC meeting that could not make it. Kind of last minute, but I am reading the thread and keeping track of discussions. Marília On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Yes, I think that would be the effective approach here... > > Again, what the OGP process has done is to create a consensus based > normative declaration among a community of the willing and are building an > institutional framework to support the on-going, broad based, and > collabortive implementations towards the realization of these norms. > > It seems to me that CS should be striving in this direction in the IG area > given that it's own involvement in IG is (or at least should be) based on > consensus based operational Internet norms (transparency, net neutrality, > inclusivity and so on). > > I don't expect to be in Baku so I'm hoping that should such a process be > initiated at the upcoming IGF that it be one inclusive of remote > participation. > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto: > governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:24 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the Enhanced > Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > > dear michael > > i am too busy to respond in full.... but i like the idea of looking at the > OGP process a lot > > i had a good look at the declaration, and the section on 'measures' > > the idea this gave me is that what would be very useful for IG is a > consultative process that will build such a declaration on EC - a process > which is inclusive of a wide range of instutitions, constituencies, sectors > etc. > > so.. like the WGIG process.. but with its specific goal being agreement on > a 'Declaration on inclusive, multi-stakeholder international internet > governance' > > anriette > > > On 09/05/12 16:46, michael gurstein wrote: > > In this context, I think that the IGC should be paying extremely > > close attention to the Open Government Partnership > > which I pointed to earlier. > > > > The OGP has a formal "Declaration > > http://www.opengovpartnership.org/open-government-declaration>" > > (i.e. normative statement--"convention" if you will) to which > > Members need to formally commit themeselves. The Partner > > country's membership in the Partnership is initially accepted > > based on their adherence to the Charter and whose on-going > > performance is equally assessed (includng by CS) against their > > stated plan/committment concerning the implementation of the forward > > looking provisions of the Charter. > > > > Secondly, CS has a formally defined role as a full-fledged "partner" > > in the Partnership with certain designated rights and > > responsibilities including a co-Chairmanship of the overall > > Partnership. > > > > Although there are a number of elements still in the process of > > being worked out (not the least of which is the structuring of CS in > > the context of the OGP) to my mind this is a direction towards which > > EC/IG should be moving, towards which CS should be pushing IG, and > > which overall represents a potentially very positive post Atlantic > > Charter direction for the overall evolution of CS and Global > > Governance in the Age of the Internet. > > > > Best, > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of > *parminder > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:41 AM > > *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > > Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > > > > On Tuesday 08 May 2012 08:40 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> It seems to me that the basic issues of Enhanced Cooperation from > >> a CS perspective are twofold: > >> > > We, as a set of civil society players, have tried to present > > concrete possibilities for both, but with no engagement from the > > larger CS involved with IG. > > > >> 1. what is the normative framework within which EC should take > >> place--my strong suggestion would be that it is that of transparency, > accountability, democracy and inclusiveness (and of course there is the > WSIS declaration etc. to support this). And that this should be presented > as a declaration and within a framing document. > >> > > > > A framework convention on the Internet was proposed, but found no > > traction among the CS actors in IG. Yes, it needs to be informed by > > the values that you mention. > > > >> 2. that having agreed on such a normative framework the question > >> is what is the most appropriate institutional arrangement for achieving > these within the context of Internet governance. > >> > > > > UN CIRP proposal has as multistakeholder a structure as OECD's > > Internet policy making mechanism (which is the default global > > Internet policy making system at present), plus seeking strong > > linkages with a rather empowered multistakeholder IGF (India IGF > > proposal). If something else/more is needed and possible that it > > must be spelt out. > > > > Still, we believe that even a CIRP kind of body should be an interim > > arrangement, doing stop-gap work, but focussing on the activity of > > being the nodal point for developing a suitable framework convention > > on the Internet, which 'framework convention' then proposes the > > right body for global governance of the global internet, which is > > fully adequate and appropriate to the phenomenon, context etc. > > > > If someone has a different/ better roadmap, lets discuss it. > > > > Non engagement with and non-proposal of clear concrete road-maps is > > simply an acceptance of the status quo in global Internet > > governance, and we think that the staus quo is hugely problematic, > > involves ever greater concentration of power, and is thus not > > acceptable. > > > > parminder > > > >> Mike > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> [mailto: > governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:08 AM > >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org governance at lists.igcaucus.org> > >> Subject: Re: [governance] Stakeholder Participation in the > >> Enhanced Cooperation Meeting in Geneva > >> > >> > >> Dear Bill, Adam and all > >> > >> The agenda is very basic. I will post it below. Parminder and I > >> have both been asked to speak. APC will post our basic input here as > >> soon as we have had a chance to present it to members first. > >> > >> Basically my idea is to shift the discussion towards the > >> involvement of civil society in EC and rather than just the usual > >> involvement of governments. My gut reaction to EC is that there is > >> all this dispute about the involvements from States and while this is > >> kind of going nowhere, there appears to be less cooperation and more > >> concentration of power among large companies, rich country > >> governments, and established IG 'institutions'. > >> > >> I hope this will complement Parminder's input which I hope will > >> focus on the imbalances in governmental involvement from governments > >> in the north (who tend to say they don't want control, but they > >> already have it) and governments in the south (who say they want more > >> control and who don't have much at global level, and who are not > >> demonstrating, consistently, good use of the control they do have at > >> national level - in my view). > >> > >> A serious discussion on what governments responsibilities are and > >> of WHAT they need to be involved in would be useful in my view. > >> > >> And then finally, and I would appreciate IGC input on this.. > >> among APC staff we have had a discussion of the parameters of EC. Is > >> EC just something we should be talking about at global level, or also > >> at national level. > >> > >> I feel stongly that we need to take the discussion to EC in IG at > >> national level. And this should touch on global IG issues (how > >> countries engage, whether there is capacity building, consultation, > >> etc. around involvement in global issues/process) as well as on > >> national IG issues. > >> > >> Anriette > >> > >> 11:00- > >> 13:00 > >> Welcoming remarks by the Chair of the CSTD, Mr. Fortunato de la > Peña ■ Address by: Dr. Hamadoun Touré, Secretary-General of the > International Telecommunication Union (ITU) ■ Address by: Mr. Nigel > Hickson, Vice President for Europe, ICANN ■ Address by: Mr. Markus Kummer, > Vice President Public Policy, Internet Society ■ Address by: Mr. Jimson > Olufuye, Vice-Chairman, Africa Region, World Information Technology and > Services Alliance ■ Address by: Mr. Parminder Singh, Executive Director, IT > for Change ■ Address by: Ms. Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE LLC ■ Address by: Ms. > Anriette Esterhuysen, Executive Director, Association for Progressive > Communications > >> 15:00- > >> 18:00 > >> General discussion > >> > >> On 08/05/12 09:06, Adam Peake wrote: > >> > >>> Could you give a pointer to the agenda. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Adam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM, William Drake < > william.drake at uzh.ch > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> Just wondering if we want to do anything about this? The draft > >>> program has a couple of IGCers as speakers but no clarity on > rules > >>> of engagement for other attendees…? > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, William Drake wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> As you know, there will be an enhanced cooperation > consultation on > >>>> 18 May in Geneva, following the IGF consultations and MAG > >>>> meeting. > >>>> http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1 < > http://archive.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=6227&lang=1> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> It would be very important that all stakeholders are able to > >>>> intervene and contribute freely (but strategically) during > this > >>>> consultation, rather than have to sit silently on the > sidelines or > >>>> be relegated to collective brief interventions at the end of > each > >>>> session. I imagine that ICC (business) and ISOC (TC) will be > >>>> contacting the CSTD secretariat to make such a request. On > behalf > >>>> of civil society, the IGC should do the same. > >>>> > >>>> Assuming people agree with the proposition, may I suggest > that the > >>>> co-coordinators take a crack at drafting a one or two > paragraph > >>>> letter to Mongi to this effect? Probably it would be better > to do > >>>> it sooner than later, as the secretariat would then need to > pass > >>>> the request along to governments etc… > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> *************************************************** > >>>> William J. Drake > >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer > >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland > >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch william.drake at uzh.ch> > >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake < > http://www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake> > >>>> > >>>> www.williamdrake.org < > http://www.williamdrake.org> > >>>> **************************************************** > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org governance at lists.igcaucus.org> > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: > >>> http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.orgpo box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 > 11 726 1692 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 09:30:56 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:30:56 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 Message-ID: The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. izumi May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts UNDESA rep – Opening remarks over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 greater transparency, more information, contribute for better governance MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG Robert Guerra Citizen Lab Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues scarecity of details a problem – Chengetai Will have update, yes, just now. Constance, ISOC ISCO reception Question of participation of indigenes people rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters I need free and active participation from indigenes people Azerbaijan host to report: IGF Nov 6-9 Nov 5 – ministerial meeting info on Baku/Azerbaijan All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles 17 hotels – no shuttles Izumi read Judy’s comment: Physical Accessibility it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is accessible and usable for PWD . Mervi, Finland Question on Ministerial Meeting who can participate? agenda? who are the organizer? Chair Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates Robert Guerra Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel free out of fear. Chair As Deputy minister, I will try to answer Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to issue visas and others About some controls; free usage of Internet through fix, mobile and other We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. Peter Major On accessibility said by Izumi mostly Judia Okite from Kenya adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel if they are accessible with PWD for making booking Host Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will update the hotel list with this issue as well. Felix Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter Chair Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops Constance, ISOC Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members Chair >From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), Civil Society Aysha Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial important to have dialogue among all stakeholders AZ Foreign Minisry Visa issue – in due course Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every singe delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of expression and mediu, it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so mis-reprsented by some media- is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to verenate the situation clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the organizations or rpresentatives Anna, Portugal Question about Ministerial meeting What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are invited? which Ministry? we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, etc what is the purpose of this Ministerial? Chair Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF AZ rep There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting we want to hear to MAG members – which model? all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc -sent invitation letter to those countries Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others we want to modelize and find best figure – useful Address the your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that meeting. ITU will channel this Wolfgang Question to DESA Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? DESA Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the recruitment of EC we are concerned about the absence of EC once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from Controller, 90 applicants applied for the EC Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative balance – not able to recruit the EC Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the recruitment, Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to make the decision Anriette from APC On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in Kenya – but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which minister to invite Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and minister ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country agreement Chair according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include toths agreement And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. Anna Neves, Portugal It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not only telecom ministers. If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. Chair We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these ministries. Please provide these. Bertrand de La Chappell On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will be no restriction. On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is weakening the IGF. Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not coming because of uncertainty canceling the process – re-launching – take months MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option A voluntary desire to solve this problem DESA Communicated to donor community – we are not limiting them, trying hard recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control hope to solve this situation as soon as possible Recruitment process for EC we stay with one rule approved by member states no other way. Chengetai HCA – treated equal as UN Qusai Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? AZ’s liberty – to organize LINCH Break Adam How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? Chengetai 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted The venue can fit all workshops Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? Grading – above 12 - green below 12 – orange SOP 49 Access 19 EI, IG4D CIR 10% TS, WF 6% Others - Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? 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Marília On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Izumi > Very helpful > Deirdre > > > On 15 May 2012 09:30, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. >> Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. >> >> izumi >> >> >> -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue May 15 09:59:01 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:59:01 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the IGF as a MSH initiative. I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a MSH initiative. fraternal regards --c.a. On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. > Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. > > izumi > > > May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts > > UNDESA rep – > Opening remarks > over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 > greater transparency, more information, contribute for better governance > > MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG > > Robert Guerra > Citizen Lab > Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues > scarecity of details a problem – > > Chengetai > Will have update, yes, just now. > > Constance, ISOC > ISCO reception > > Question of participation of indigenes people > rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters > I need free and active participation from indigenes people > > Azerbaijan host to report: > IGF Nov 6-9 > Nov 5 – ministerial meeting > info on Baku/Azerbaijan > > All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT > 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles > 17 hotels – no shuttles > > Izumi read Judy’s comment: > Physical Accessibility > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is > accessible and usable for PWD . > > Mervi, Finland > Question on Ministerial Meeting > who can participate? > agenda? > who are the organizer? > > Chair > Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates > > Robert Guerra > Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel free > out of fear. > > Chair > As Deputy minister, I will try to answer > Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, > therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, > After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to > issue visas and others > About some controls; free usage of Internet > through fix, mobile and other > We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work > inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs > possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. > > Peter Major > On accessibility said by Izumi mostly > > Judia Okite from Kenya > adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel > if they are accessible with PWD for making booking > > Host > Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will > update the hotel list with this issue as well. > > Felix Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe > reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience > restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter > > Chair > Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops > > Constance, ISOC > Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members > > Chair >>From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), Civil Society > > Aysha > Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial > important to have dialogue among all stakeholders > > AZ Foreign Minisry > Visa issue – in due course > > Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every singe > delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- > IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice > Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of > expression and mediu, > it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so > mis-reprsented by some media- > is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to > verenate the situation > clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the > organizations or rpresentatives > > Anna, Portugal > > Question about Ministerial meeting > What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are invited? > which Ministry? > we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart > MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, etc > what is the purpose of this Ministerial? > > Chair > Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial > > Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial > agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF > > AZ rep > There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting > we want to hear to MAG members – which model? > all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of > ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc -sent > invitation letter to those countries > Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others > we want to modelize and find best figure – useful > > Address the > your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that meeting. > ITU will channel this > > Wolfgang > Question to DESA > Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago > Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? > > DESA > Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor > It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but > regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the > recruitment of EC > we are concerned about the absence of EC > once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from Controller, > 90 applicants applied for the EC > Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative > balance – not able to recruit the EC > Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document > We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the > recruitment, > > Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to > make the decision > > Anriette from APC > On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in Kenya – > but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other > IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy > Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which minister to invite > Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and minister > > ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to > make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country > agreement > > Chair > according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with > UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement > Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include > toths agreement > And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. > > Anna Neves, Portugal > It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is > ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not > only telecom ministers. > If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. > On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. > > Chair > We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have > possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info > on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these > ministries. Please provide these. > > Bertrand de La Chappell > On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political > tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will > be no restriction. > On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. > It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong > intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is > weakening the IGF. > Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not coming > because of uncertainty > canceling the process – re-launching – take months > > MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option > A voluntary desire to solve this problem > > DESA > Communicated to donor community – > we are not limiting them, trying hard > recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control > hope to solve this situation as soon as possible > Recruitment process for EC > we stay with one rule approved by member states > no other way. > > Chengetai > HCA – treated equal as UN > > Qusai > Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? > AZ’s liberty – to organize > > > LINCH Break > > Adam > How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? > > Chengetai > 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted > The venue can fit all workshops > Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? > > Grading – > above 12 - green > below 12 – orange > > SOP 49 > Access 19 > EI, IG4D > CIR 10% > TS, WF 6% > Others - > > Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? > > Chengetai - we need to consider them all. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue May 15 10:19:23 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:19:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: In message <4FB26125.4030102 at cafonso.ca>, at 10:59:01 on Tue, 15 May 2012, Carlos A. Afonso writes >Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) >ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the >IGF as a MSH initiative. Does that mean that Civil Society, Internet Technical Community etc can't have pre-meets either? Do such pre-meets have to allow observers from the other stakeholders. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Tue May 15 10:33:13 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1337092393.25695.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks Izumi, indeed its a very good coverage of the event while we could not get in to listen intime. Regards Imran Ahmed Shah From: Deirdre Williams >To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Izumi AIZU >Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2012, 18:42 >Subject: Re: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 > > >Thank you Izumi >Very helpful >Deirdre > > >On 15 May 2012 09:30, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. >>Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. >> >>izumi >> >> >>-- >“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Tue May 15 10:44:49 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:44:49 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Are there special advisors? While I have heard speculation etc on some being named at some point, I have not seen any evidence of any having been named. I am sure that if they are named, the will contribute to the MSH mix. avri "Carlos A. Afonso" wrote: >Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) >ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the >IGF as a MSH initiative. > >I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are >they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no >replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing >Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" >and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a >MSH initiative. > >fraternal regards > >--c.a. > >On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. >> Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. >> >> izumi >> >> >> May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts >> >> UNDESA rep – >> Opening remarks >> over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 >> greater transparency, more information, contribute for better >governance >> >> MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG >> >> Robert Guerra >> Citizen Lab >> Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues >> scarecity of details a problem – >> >> Chengetai >> Will have update, yes, just now. >> >> Constance, ISOC >> ISCO reception >> >> Question of participation of indigenes people >> rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters >> I need free and active participation from indigenes people >> >> Azerbaijan host to report: >> IGF Nov 6-9 >> Nov 5 – ministerial meeting >> info on Baku/Azerbaijan >> >> All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT >> 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles >> 17 hotels – no shuttles >> >> Izumi read Judy’s comment: >> Physical Accessibility >> it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is >> accessible and usable for PWD . >> >> Mervi, Finland >> Question on Ministerial Meeting >> who can participate? >> agenda? >> who are the organizer? >> >> Chair >> Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates >> >> Robert Guerra >> Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel >free >> out of fear. >> >> Chair >> As Deputy minister, I will try to answer >> Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, >> therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, >> After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to >> issue visas and others >> About some controls; free usage of Internet >> through fix, mobile and other >> We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work >> inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs >> possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. >> >> Peter Major >> On accessibility said by Izumi mostly >> >> Judia Okite from Kenya >> adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel >> if they are accessible with PWD for making booking >> >> Host >> Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will >> update the hotel list with this issue as well. >> >> Felix Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe >> reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience >> restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter >> >> Chair >> Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops >> >> Constance, ISOC >> Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members >> >> Chair >>>From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), >Civil Society >> >> Aysha >> Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial >> important to have dialogue among all stakeholders >> >> AZ Foreign Minisry >> Visa issue – in due course >> >> Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every >singe >> delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- >> IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice >> Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of >> expression and mediu, >> it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so >> mis-reprsented by some media- >> is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to >> verenate the situation >> clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the >> organizations or rpresentatives >> >> Anna, Portugal >> >> Question about Ministerial meeting >> What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are >invited? >> which Ministry? >> we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart >> MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, >etc >> what is the purpose of this Ministerial? >> >> Chair >> Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial >> >> Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial >> agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF >> >> AZ rep >> There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting >> we want to hear to MAG members – which model? >> all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of >> ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc -sent >> invitation letter to those countries >> Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others >> we want to modelize and find best figure – useful >> >> Address the >> your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that >meeting. >> ITU will channel this >> >> Wolfgang >> Question to DESA >> Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago >> Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? >> >> DESA >> Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor >> It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but >> regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the >> recruitment of EC >> we are concerned about the absence of EC >> once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from >Controller, >> 90 applicants applied for the EC >> Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative >> balance – not able to recruit the EC >> Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document >> We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the >> recruitment, >> >> Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to >> make the decision >> >> Anriette from APC >> On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in >Kenya – >> but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other >> IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy >> Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which >minister to invite >> Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and >minister >> >> ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to >> make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country >> agreement >> >> Chair >> according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with >> UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement >> Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include >> toths agreement >> And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. >> >> Anna Neves, Portugal >> It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is >> ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not >> only telecom ministers. >> If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. >> On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. >> >> Chair >> We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have >> possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info >> on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these >> ministries. Please provide these. >> >> Bertrand de La Chappell >> On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political >> tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will >> be no restriction. >> On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. >> It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong >> intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is >> weakening the IGF. >> Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not >coming >> because of uncertainty >> canceling the process – re-launching – take months >> >> MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option >> A voluntary desire to solve this problem >> >> DESA >> Communicated to donor community – >> we are not limiting them, trying hard >> recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control >> hope to solve this situation as soon as possible >> Recruitment process for EC >> we stay with one rule approved by member states >> no other way. >> >> Chengetai >> HCA – treated equal as UN >> >> Qusai >> Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? >> AZ’s liberty – to organize >> >> >> LINCH Break >> >> Adam >> How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? >> >> Chengetai >> 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted >> The venue can fit all workshops >> Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? >> >> Grading – >> above 12 - green >> below 12 – orange >> >> SOP 49 >> Access 19 >> EI, IG4D >> CIR 10% >> TS, WF 6% >> Others - >> >> Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? >> >> Chengetai - we need to consider them all. >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 10:45:36 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:45:36 +0900 Subject: [governance] Key words of Meeting of organizers for Regional and National IGF Message-ID: During lunch time, there was an INFORMAL meeting of organizers for Regional and National IGF. Here follows is the key words I put into my iPhone notebad. Just to show what subjects we discussed. Names and words contain many typos. izumi --------- Chengetai, Do we need minimum guidance for national and regional IGF? Website Participants: Marylin Cade Katih Egypt, Arab Nominet, Laura. UK UK. MAG Ricardo. Columbia Wolf euroDIG. Thomas. swiss Gove Paul. RIPE NCC Izabel Italy Carolina. LAC Anna. Portugal Izumi, Tokyo Cable. Commonwealth IGF Iliana. cOe Valeria. APC Paul Wilson, Pacific & AP IGF ANriette. APC How to integrate regional IGFs to global Cade National n regional IGF to integrate? US IGF AP and JP Europe.   Euro DIG How many from Govs?  CS biz? Multistakeholder and Open As criteria Better to spell out and publish Thematic IGF Some conf Organized by HIV but MSH Youth IGF. to bring messages from youth to IGF Egypt.  Manual for new comers on nat'l IGF ALL IGF be MSH and Open to put website Cade I have day job, need minimalistic one need for Reports  be submitted By June Remote participation Youth IGF be treated in same way as others? Need to identify issues Thomas on reporting - have hook Concentrate on Messages No need to wait for June Report is  one direction - some expect feed-back ANriette not over burden Mark. Keep it simple Cade no commercial, told, but? Wolf. EuroDIG. Started small, but now with 500 attendance, need Secretariat.  CFP?  70+ proposals. More sophisticated process. No charge for attendees Trademark ? IGFs Chengetai: No attempt made for trademark Thomas: Who has the right to call IGF? Deliberately called as EuroDIG Need support of community Short sessions.  Flashes. 30 min sessions More flexible, innovations -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue May 15 11:00:44 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:00:44 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Streaming is really crappy for me, so it has been hard to follow. But has anyone raised the topic of the specific things that maybe need to be changed on the methodology in order to be able to reach the "more concrete policy options" suggested on the CSTD WG? eg. type of "policy question", need for pre-assigned rapporteurs, role of rapporteurs, thematic roudtables to bring together outcomes from workshops, format that these outcomes should be communicated to "other relevant organizations".. If so, what was said about it? Marília On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) > ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the > IGF as a MSH initiative. > > I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are > they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no > replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing > Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" > and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a > MSH initiative. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. > > Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. > > > > izumi > > > > > > May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts > > > > UNDESA rep – > > Opening remarks > > over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 > > greater transparency, more information, contribute for better governance > > > > MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG > > > > Robert Guerra > > Citizen Lab > > Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues > > scarecity of details a problem – > > > > Chengetai > > Will have update, yes, just now. > > > > Constance, ISOC > > ISCO reception > > > > Question of participation of indigenes people > > rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters > > I need free and active participation from indigenes people > > > > Azerbaijan host to report: > > IGF Nov 6-9 > > Nov 5 – ministerial meeting > > info on Baku/Azerbaijan > > > > All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT > > 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles > > 17 hotels – no shuttles > > > > Izumi read Judy’s comment: > > Physical Accessibility > > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is > > accessible and usable for PWD . > > > > Mervi, Finland > > Question on Ministerial Meeting > > who can participate? > > agenda? > > who are the organizer? > > > > Chair > > Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates > > > > Robert Guerra > > Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel free > > out of fear. > > > > Chair > > As Deputy minister, I will try to answer > > Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, > > therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, > > After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to > > issue visas and others > > About some controls; free usage of Internet > > through fix, mobile and other > > We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work > > inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs > > possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. > > > > Peter Major > > On accessibility said by Izumi mostly > > > > Judia Okite from Kenya > > adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel > > if they are accessible with PWD for making booking > > > > Host > > Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will > > update the hotel list with this issue as well. > > > > Felix Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe > > reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience > > restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter > > > > Chair > > Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops > > > > Constance, ISOC > > Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members > > > > Chair > >>From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), Civil > Society > > > > Aysha > > Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial > > important to have dialogue among all stakeholders > > > > AZ Foreign Minisry > > Visa issue – in due course > > > > Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every singe > > delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- > > IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice > > Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of > > expression and mediu, > > it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so > > mis-reprsented by some media- > > is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to > > verenate the situation > > clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the > > organizations or rpresentatives > > > > Anna, Portugal > > > > Question about Ministerial meeting > > What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are invited? > > which Ministry? > > we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart > > MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, etc > > what is the purpose of this Ministerial? > > > > Chair > > Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial > > > > Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial > > agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF > > > > AZ rep > > There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting > > we want to hear to MAG members – which model? > > all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of > > ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc -sent > > invitation letter to those countries > > Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others > > we want to modelize and find best figure – useful > > > > Address the > > your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that > meeting. > > ITU will channel this > > > > Wolfgang > > Question to DESA > > Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago > > Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? > > > > DESA > > Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor > > It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but > > regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the > > recruitment of EC > > we are concerned about the absence of EC > > once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from Controller, > > 90 applicants applied for the EC > > Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative > > balance – not able to recruit the EC > > Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document > > We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the > > recruitment, > > > > Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to > > make the decision > > > > Anriette from APC > > On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in > Kenya – > > but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other > > IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy > > Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which minister > to invite > > Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and minister > > > > ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to > > make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country > > agreement > > > > Chair > > according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with > > UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement > > Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include > > toths agreement > > And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. > > > > Anna Neves, Portugal > > It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is > > ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not > > only telecom ministers. > > If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. > > On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. > > > > Chair > > We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have > > possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info > > on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these > > ministries. Please provide these. > > > > Bertrand de La Chappell > > On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political > > tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will > > be no restriction. > > On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. > > It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong > > intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is > > weakening the IGF. > > Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not coming > > because of uncertainty > > canceling the process – re-launching – take months > > > > MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option > > A voluntary desire to solve this problem > > > > DESA > > Communicated to donor community – > > we are not limiting them, trying hard > > recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control > > hope to solve this situation as soon as possible > > Recruitment process for EC > > we stay with one rule approved by member states > > no other way. > > > > Chengetai > > HCA – treated equal as UN > > > > Qusai > > Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? > > AZ’s liberty – to organize > > > > > > LINCH Break > > > > Adam > > How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? > > > > Chengetai > > 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted > > The venue can fit all workshops > > Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? > > > > Grading – > > above 12 - green > > below 12 – orange > > > > SOP 49 > > Access 19 > > EI, IG4D > > CIR 10% > > TS, WF 6% > > Others - > > > > Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? > > > > Chengetai - we need to consider them all. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 11:09:37 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 00:09:37 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: No, not yet. is the simple answer. CSTD WG Report did not get into the agenda, nor its substance, it is put into the third day's agenda, somehow. izumi 2012/5/16 Marilia Maciel : > Streaming is really crappy for me, so it has been hard to follow. > But has anyone raised the topic of the specific things that maybe need to be > changed on the methodology in order to be able to reach the "more concrete > policy options" suggested on the CSTD WG? eg. type of "policy question", > need for pre-assigned rapporteurs, role of rapporteurs, thematic roudtables > to bring together outcomes from workshops, format that these outcomes should > be communicated to "other relevant organizations"..  If so, what was said > about it? > > Marília > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> >> Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) >> ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the >> IGF as a MSH initiative. >> >> I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are >> they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no >> replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing >> Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" >> and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a >> MSH initiative. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> > The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. >> > Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. >> > >> > izumi >> > >> > >> > May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts >> > >> > UNDESA rep – >> > Opening remarks >> > over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 >> > greater transparency, more information, contribute for better governance >> > >> > MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG >> > >> > Robert Guerra >> > Citizen Lab >> > Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues >> > scarecity of details a problem – >> > >> > Chengetai >> > Will have update, yes, just now. >> > >> > Constance, ISOC >> > ISCO reception >> > >> > Question of participation of indigenes people >> > rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters >> > I need free and active participation from indigenes people >> > >> > Azerbaijan host to report: >> > IGF Nov 6-9 >> > Nov 5 – ministerial meeting >> > info on Baku/Azerbaijan >> > >> > All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT >> > 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles >> > 17 hotels – no shuttles >> > >> > Izumi read Judy’s comment: >> > Physical Accessibility >> > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is >> > accessible and usable for PWD . >> > >> > Mervi, Finland >> > Question on Ministerial Meeting >> > who can participate? >> > agenda? >> > who are the organizer? >> > >> > Chair >> > Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates >> > >> > Robert Guerra >> > Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel free >> > out of fear. >> > >> > Chair >> > As Deputy minister, I will try to answer >> > Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, >> > therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, >> > After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to >> > issue visas and others >> > About some controls; free usage of Internet >> >  through fix, mobile and other >> > We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work >> > inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs >> > possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. >> > >> > Peter Major >> > On accessibility said by Izumi mostly >> > >> > Judia Okite from Kenya >> > adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel >> > if they are accessible with PWD for making booking >> > >> > Host >> > Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will >> > update the hotel list with this issue as well. >> > >> > Felix  Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe >> > reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience >> > restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter >> > >> > Chair >> > Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops >> > >> > Constance, ISOC >> > Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members >> > >> > Chair >> >>From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), Civil >> > Society >> > >> > Aysha >> > Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial >> > important to have dialogue among all stakeholders >> > >> > AZ Foreign Minisry >> > Visa issue – in due course >> > >> > Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every singe >> > delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- >> > IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice >> > Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of >> > expression and mediu, >> >  it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so >> > mis-reprsented by some media- >> > is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to >> > verenate the situation >> > clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the >> > organizations or rpresentatives >> > >> > Anna, Portugal >> > >> > Question about Ministerial meeting >> > What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are invited? >> > which Ministry? >> > we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart >> > MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, etc >> > what is the purpose of this Ministerial? >> > >> > Chair >> > Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial >> > >> > Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial >> >  agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF >> > >> > AZ rep >> > There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting >> >  we want to hear to MAG members – which model? >> >  all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of >> > ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc  -sent >> > invitation letter to those countries >> > Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others >> > we want to modelize and find best figure – useful >> > >> > Address the >> > your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that >> > meeting. >> > ITU will channel this >> > >> > Wolfgang >> > Question to DESA >> > Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago >> > Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? >> > >> > DESA >> > Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor >> > It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but >> > regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the >> > recruitment of EC >> > we are concerned about the absence of EC >> > once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from Controller, >> > 90 applicants applied for the EC >> > Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative >> > balance – not able to recruit the EC >> > Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document >> > We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the >> > recruitment, >> > >> > Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to >> > make the decision >> > >> > Anriette from APC >> > On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in >> > Kenya – >> > but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other >> > IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy >> > Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which minister >> > to invite >> > Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and minister >> > >> > ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to >> > make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country >> > agreement >> > >> > Chair >> > according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with >> > UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement >> > Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include >> > toths agreement >> > And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. >> > >> > Anna Neves, Portugal >> > It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is >> > ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not >> > only telecom ministers. >> > If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. >> > On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. >> > >> > Chair >> > We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have >> > possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info >> > on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these >> > ministries. Please provide these. >> > >> > Bertrand de La Chappell >> > On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political >> > tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will >> > be no restriction. >> > On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. >> > It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong >> > intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is >> > weakening the IGF. >> > Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not coming >> > because of uncertainty >> > canceling the process – re-launching – take months >> > >> > MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option >> > A voluntary desire to solve this problem >> > >> > DESA >> > Communicated to donor community – >> > we are not limiting them, trying hard >> > recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control >> > hope to solve this situation as soon as possible >> > Recruitment process for EC >> > we stay with one rule approved by member states >> > no other way. >> > >> > Chengetai >> > HCA – treated equal as UN >> > >> > Qusai >> > Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? >> > AZ’s liberty – to organize >> > >> > >> > LINCH Break >> > >> > Adam >> > How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? >> > >> > Chengetai >> > 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted >> > The venue can fit all workshops >> > Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? >> > >> > Grading – >> > above 12 - green >> > below 12 – orange >> > >> > SOP  49 >> > Access 19 >> > EI, IG4D >> > CIR 10% >> > TS, WF  6% >> > Others - >> > >> > Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? >> > >> > Chengetai - we need to consider them all. >> > >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil --                      >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Tue May 15 11:13:12 2012 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 00:13:12 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: There was no clear conclusion on the Ministerial meeting. Concerns or requests were made that it be Multi-stakeholder, as much as possible, The Chair, Azerbaijan host, replied that they will take these into consideration. No conclusion if the "side Event" by the host government be part of IGF or not. Strictly speaking, it is not, but from the wider view, it is, is my personal view. izumi 2012/5/15 Roland Perry : > In message <4FB26125.4030102 at cafonso.ca>, at 10:59:01 on Tue, 15 May 2012, > Carlos A. Afonso writes > >> Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) >> ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the >> IGF as a MSH initiative. > > > Does that mean that Civil Society, Internet Technical Community etc can't > have pre-meets either? Do such pre-meets have to allow observers from the > other stakeholders. > -- > Roland Perry > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue May 15 11:15:50 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:15:50 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Such a pitty. I believed that there was a commitment from all stakeholder groups that participated on the WG that, as far as possible, the next IGF should incorporate suggestions for improvement. There are points of the report that address several of the aspects that have been mentioned all along this afternoon, such as diversifying participation, criteria for sponsoring speakers, methodology. Hard to understand why it has been ignored. Marília On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > No, not yet. is the simple answer. > CSTD WG Report did not get into the agenda, nor its substance, > it is put into the third day's agenda, somehow. > > izumi > > 2012/5/16 Marilia Maciel : > > Streaming is really crappy for me, so it has been hard to follow. > > But has anyone raised the topic of the specific things that maybe need > to be > > changed on the methodology in order to be able to reach the "more > concrete > > policy options" suggested on the CSTD WG? eg. type of "policy question", > > need for pre-assigned rapporteurs, role of rapporteurs, thematic > roudtables > > to bring together outcomes from workshops, format that these outcomes > should > > be communicated to "other relevant organizations".. If so, what was said > > about it? > > > > Marília > > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Carlos A. Afonso > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) > >> ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the > >> IGF as a MSH initiative. > >> > >> I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are > >> they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no > >> replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing > >> Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" > >> and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a > >> MSH initiative. > >> > >> fraternal regards > >> > >> --c.a. > >> > >> On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> > The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. > >> > Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. > >> > > >> > izumi > >> > > >> > > >> > May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts > >> > > >> > UNDESA rep – > >> > Opening remarks > >> > over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 > >> > greater transparency, more information, contribute for better > governance > >> > > >> > MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG > >> > > >> > Robert Guerra > >> > Citizen Lab > >> > Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues > >> > scarecity of details a problem – > >> > > >> > Chengetai > >> > Will have update, yes, just now. > >> > > >> > Constance, ISOC > >> > ISCO reception > >> > > >> > Question of participation of indigenes people > >> > rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters > >> > I need free and active participation from indigenes people > >> > > >> > Azerbaijan host to report: > >> > IGF Nov 6-9 > >> > Nov 5 – ministerial meeting > >> > info on Baku/Azerbaijan > >> > > >> > All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT > >> > 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles > >> > 17 hotels – no shuttles > >> > > >> > Izumi read Judy’s comment: > >> > Physical Accessibility > >> > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is > >> > accessible and usable for PWD . > >> > > >> > Mervi, Finland > >> > Question on Ministerial Meeting > >> > who can participate? > >> > agenda? > >> > who are the organizer? > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates > >> > > >> > Robert Guerra > >> > Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel free > >> > out of fear. > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > As Deputy minister, I will try to answer > >> > Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, > >> > therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, > >> > After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to > >> > issue visas and others > >> > About some controls; free usage of Internet > >> > through fix, mobile and other > >> > We have some restrictions and all persons tha live and work > >> > inAzerbaijan and if you come – can be used these technologies – suchs > >> > possibilitew will be provided during IGF Balu. > >> > > >> > Peter Major > >> > On accessibility said by Izumi mostly > >> > > >> > Judia Okite from Kenya > >> > adding to accessibility, add that, ^ host country to check out hotel > >> > if they are accessible with PWD for making booking > >> > > >> > Host > >> > Our staff checked all the hotels, but did not put info on this, will > >> > update the hotel list with this issue as well. > >> > > >> > Felix Samakande, new MAG, Zimbabwe > >> > reaction to Video – recollection of Lithuania experience > >> > restriction of time to speak but speak slowly for interpreter > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > Translation will be provided only in Main Session – not in workshops > >> > > >> > Constance, ISOC > >> > Mervi’s question – add invitation to CEOs, Civil society members > >> > > >> > Chair > >> >>From Kenya, we will keep this tradtion of inviting CEO (of ICANN), > Civil > >> > Society > >> > > >> > Aysha > >> > Comment on Ministerial, participated in Kenyan Ministerial > >> > important to have dialogue among all stakeholders > >> > > >> > AZ Foreign Minisry > >> > Visa issue – in due course > >> > > >> > Participation of all organizations – take seriously, treat every singe > >> > delegation in a non-discriminatory soverigh- > >> > IF not paritcpate from soverign countries – it’s their choice > >> > Linkage between of hosting event and allegation of freedom of > >> > expression and mediu, > >> > it is institutional nor, insure the norm and contineus to do so > >> > mis-reprsented by some media- > >> > is very infortunate that we are taking this time to address to > >> > verenate the situation > >> > clear – emotiona accests do not add credit to the authority of the > >> > organizations or rpresentatives > >> > > >> > Anna, Portugal > >> > > >> > Question about Ministerial meeting > >> > What is man objective of this Ministerial which countries are invited? > >> > which Ministry? > >> > we are in Multi-stakeholder event – cannot be put apart > >> > MSH is not about big companies, but small companies, civil society, > etc > >> > what is the purpose of this Ministerial? > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > Kenya, it was the first time to have Ministerial > >> > > >> > Alice – explained the Kenyan Ministerial > >> > agenda – came as bottom up, discussed at East Africa IGF > >> > > >> > AZ rep > >> > There is discussion on how to model ministerial meeting > >> > we want to hear to MAG members – which model? > >> > all countries participated in ITU members – ITU has list of > >> > ministries – who is resposbile on Telecom, ICT InfoSoc -sent > >> > invitation letter to those countries > >> > Involving private sector – big companies but we can invite others > >> > we want to modelize and find best figure – useful > >> > > >> > Address the > >> > your country will be responsible and delegate your officials to that > >> > meeting. > >> > ITU will channel this > >> > > >> > Wolfgang > >> > Question to DESA > >> > Nitin and Markus stepped down more than 2 years ago > >> > Can we expect that two positions will be filled at IGF in Baku? > >> > > >> > DESA > >> > Situation on Executive Coordinator and Special Advisor > >> > It was funded by IGF Trust fund, voluntary contributions, but > >> > regrettably, current voluntary contributions do not allow the > >> > recruitment of EC > >> > we are concerned about the absence of EC > >> > once new project document approved 1 year ago, received from > Controller, > >> > 90 applicants applied for the EC > >> > Due to the financial balance project, we still have strong negative > >> > balance – not able to recruit the EC > >> > Go to IGC Website, you can see the balance of the project document > >> > We just canceled the announcement of the EC, not able to continue the > >> > recruitment, > >> > > >> > Special Advisor – prerogative of the SG, no influence to force him to > >> > make the decision > >> > > >> > Anriette from APC > >> > On Minsterial – I think it is very useful mechanism, appreciated in > >> > Kenya – > >> > but IGF is different from ITU, complement each other > >> > IGF could take broader government and other stakeholders – on policy > >> > Not rely on ITU database, but to be more creative about which minister > >> > to invite > >> > Thematic focus on Ministerial – to define – then which CS and minister > >> > > >> > ON human rights, -good hear to the reassurance – ask Host country to > >> > make documents and ask DESA to reflect them into Host Country > >> > agreement > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > according to the procedure, the host country must sign agreement with > >> > UN DESA, and all issues are indicated in this agreement > >> > Issues on transportation, visa, equipmet, computers are fulle include > >> > toths agreement > >> > And now this is agreement – w can publish them in our website. > >> > > >> > Anna Neves, Portugal > >> > It is up to the host country to invite which Minister, yes. If it is > >> > ITU event, then invite telecom ministers. but if it is IGF, then not > >> > only telecom ministers. > >> > If you use ITU Detabase, please do not call as “IGF”. > >> > On EC, puzzled. Strange. There is voluntary funding. > >> > > >> > Chair > >> > We can consider all of your proposal. During this event, you have > >> > possibility of contact from our delegation, you can provide some info > >> > on some ministries, please inform us, and we will invite these > >> > ministries. Please provide these. > >> > > >> > Bertrand de La Chappell > >> > On Visa, related to citizens of countries who may have political > >> > tensions and who may have difficulty – can you ensure that there will > >> > be no restriction. > >> > On EC, situation is extremely troublesome, painfully. > >> > It might be intentional – I don’t believe that. Choice- wrong > >> > intensions or inefficiency – both are bad. Current situation is > >> > weakening the IGF. > >> > Chicken and Egg –we cannot hire because of funding, funding not coming > >> > because of uncertainty > >> > canceling the process – re-launching – take months > >> > > >> > MAG could, in due time, to designate its own Chair – as an option > >> > A voluntary desire to solve this problem > >> > > >> > DESA > >> > Communicated to donor community – > >> > we are not limiting them, trying hard > >> > recent situation with Google – working with lawyers, beyond control > >> > hope to solve this situation as soon as possible > >> > Recruitment process for EC > >> > we stay with one rule approved by member states > >> > no other way. > >> > > >> > Chengetai > >> > HCA – treated equal as UN > >> > > >> > Qusai > >> > Ministerial meeting – not IGF event, right? > >> > AZ’s liberty – to organize > >> > > >> > > >> > LINCH Break > >> > > >> > Adam > >> > How many workshops are possible to be organized – how many rooms? > >> > > >> > Chengetai > >> > 128 Workshop proposals – highest number submitted > >> > The venue can fit all workshops > >> > Do we want to have 12 workshops at the same time? > >> > > >> > Grading – > >> > above 12 - green > >> > below 12 – orange > >> > > >> > SOP 49 > >> > Access 19 > >> > EI, IG4D > >> > CIR 10% > >> > TS, WF 6% > >> > Others - > >> > > >> > Cade - how about dynamic coalitions and Open Forum? > >> > > >> > Chengetai - we need to consider them all. > >> > > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue May 15 11:20:56 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 00:20:56 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGF Open Consultation memo, Morning, May 15 In-Reply-To: References: <4FB26125.4030102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Ah, Marilia, don't get me wrong, I mean some of the points will be discussed in the MAG meeting tomorrow, I am sure. BUT we are sort of mostly tasked to discuss about the workshop, and is difficult to broaden the scope. I might be wrong, so correct me, by other members here. izumi 2012/5/16 Marilia Maciel : > Such a pitty. I believed that there was a commitment from all stakeholder > groups that participated on the WG that, as far as possible, the next IGF > should incorporate suggestions for improvement. There are points of the > report that address several of the aspects that have been mentioned all > along this afternoon, such as diversifying participation, criteria for > sponsoring speakers, methodology. > > Hard to understand why it has been ignored. > Marília > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> No, not yet. is the simple answer. >> CSTD WG Report did not get into the agenda, nor its substance, >> it is put into the third day's agenda, somehow. >> >> izumi >> >> 2012/5/16 Marilia Maciel : >> > Streaming is really crappy for me, so it has been hard to follow. >> > But has anyone raised the topic of the specific things that maybe need >> > to be >> > changed on the methodology in order to be able to reach the "more >> > concrete >> > policy options" suggested on the CSTD WG? eg. type of "policy question", >> > need for pre-assigned rapporteurs, role of rapporteurs, thematic >> > roudtables >> > to bring together outcomes from workshops, format that these outcomes >> > should >> > be communicated to "other relevant organizations"..  If so, what was >> > said >> > about it? >> > >> > Marília >> > >> > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Carlos A. Afonso >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Izumi & all, interesting to know how the proposed (decided?) >> >> ministerial meeting was questioned on the grounds of the purpose of the >> >> IGF as a MSH initiative. >> >> >> >> I wonder about the role of the so-called "special advisors". Who are >> >> they? Are they considered "volunteer staff"? Since there is no >> >> replacement for Nitin & Markus (I understand Chengetai is playing >> >> Markus's role in the meantime?), who decides on the "special advisors" >> >> and other staff? I wonder about their role, again recalling this is a >> >> MSH initiative. >> >> >> >> fraternal regards >> >> >> >> --c.a. >> >> >> >> On 05/15/2012 10:30 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> > The morning meeting ended around 1300, here is my rough memo. >> >> > Annotated, as it is Open consultation, but all are very sketchy. >> >> > >> >> > izumi >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > May 15, 2012 11:25 Open Consultation starts >> >> > >> >> > UNDESA rep – >> >> > Opening remarks >> >> > over 100 workshops proposed for IGF 2012 >> >> > greater transparency, more information, contribute for better >> >> > governance >> >> > >> >> > MR Elmir Valizda, Chair of MAG >> >> > >> >> > Robert Guerra >> >> > Citizen Lab >> >> > Update for Preparation, logistics, venue and other issues >> >> > scarecity of details a problem – >> >> > >> >> > Chengetai >> >> > Will have update, yes, just now. >> >> > >> >> > Constance, ISOC >> >> > ISCO reception >> >> > >> >> > Question of participation of indigenes people >> >> > rather than access to Internet, they need food, closing, shelters >> >> > I need free and active participation from indigenes people >> >> > >> >> > Azerbaijan host to report: >> >> > IGF Nov 6-9 >> >> > Nov 5 – ministerial meeting >> >> > info on Baku/Azerbaijan >> >> > >> >> > All hotels (90) with reduced corporate rates, without 18% VAT >> >> > 46 hotels will be provided with shuttles >> >> > 17 hotels – no shuttles >> >> > >> >> > Izumi read Judy’s comment: >> >> > Physical Accessibility >> >> > it is imperative that all locations/ venue , transport,etc is >> >> > accessible and usable for PWD . >> >> > >> >> > Mervi, Finland >> >> > Question on Ministerial Meeting >> >> > who can participate? >> >> > agenda? >> >> > who are the organizer? >> >> > >> >> > Chair >> >> > Mostly, ministers, but can consider to invite head of delegates >> >> > >> >> > Robert Guerra >> >> > Make sure in the Host Country Agreement, for participants to feel >> >> > free >> >> > out of fear. >> >> > >> >> > Chair >> >> > As Deputy minister, I will try to answer >> >> > Registration will be happen on the IGF Website, not our own website, >> >> > therefore, anyperson have possibility to register, >> >> > After this information will be provide to our governmental bodies to >> >> >