[governance] Ethiopia criminalises the use of VOIP

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

To my reading you just proved his point.  Except for a very small percentage of Sovriegn States, as far as I can tell mostly they are avaricious power grabbing entities that only make a pretense of caring for their people.  Why would people ever want to entrust the wellbeing of a system as critical as the Interent to such entities alone.  Yes they have a role in the mutistakeholder process, but as the sole enntity, that would be Internet suicide.

As for multi-lateral, I interpret that to mean they conspire together for wealth and power.

Yes, for as long as people are the nasty creatures we are, states remain an necessarry evil, but there is no reason to entrust them with the tools of freedom and progress. 

I am assuming tha what Ethiopian and FT have done to consipre with each other to deprive the Ethiopian people with a goood communications tool was perfectly ok with the ITU. Am I wrong about that?

avri


Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr> wrote:

>Are you just debarking from an exo-planet ?
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>Never heard of ITU as a multilateral UN agency, whose policy
>making/deciding members are its Member States ? (That means that its
>positions/actions may aim to the interest of its Member States,
>i.e.sovereign entities)
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>And probably never heard of policies which could aim to common, public
>interest ?
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>Or are these concepts out of age for you ?
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>Best
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>Jean-Louis Fullsack
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>> Message du 18/06/12 08:52
>> De : "Daniel Kalchev" 
>> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org
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>> Objet : Re: [governance] Ethiopia criminalises the use of VOIP
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>> On 17.06.12 04:40, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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>Now to our present concerns: ITU actions can indeed legitimate actions
>which I would argue are not in the interests of a nation's citizens,
>but may be in the interests of a state ministry of telecoms, and/or a
>national telecom provider. Which is reason enough to remain - observant
>- of what WCIT is up to, in all areas.
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>> Whose concerns are almost guaranteed to represent private commercial
>"get rich" interests.
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>> History has it and I can certainly confirm observing it, that often
>the state owned telecom business is used to subsidize political
>parties, for such businesses often have extremely fuzzy accounting and
>very high margins -- and, for the most part steady cash flow guaranteed
>to last (with the help of ITU and various arrangements).
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>> In most cases, you will hear the claim "we do this in the name of the
>people", which should be in fact translated as "look, we promised those
>people who put us in power, that they are going to get free ride. we do
>it, no matter what".
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>> There are suggestions that the ITU is a "better" fit for the
>governance of Internet. Because, as they claim, the ITU has
>well-organized and disciplined resolution system. But, let me ask you:
>do you consider some well-organized army better suited to manage your
>country, by occupying it? (of course, this happens, all of the time,
>even today)
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>> The concept, that ITU could bring the "sender pays" accounting
>mechanism to Internet is absurd. Yet more absurd is the concept that
>ITU could enforce bilateral interconnection arrangements for IP
>traffic. Remember, this is precisely what killed X.400 when it saw the
>(primitive at the time) competition by Internet-based e-mail (UUCP,
>SMTP, ...).
>> Imagine, downloading huge file and having your provider pay you,
>because they sent your way more IP packets that you sent back? :)
>> 
>> Daniel
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