[governance] "Oversight"

[Fouad Bajwa]

+1 Parminder and trust me, this dialogue will only illuminate one
thing that everyone is helpless in front of USG so lets not talk about
that and lets talk about everything other than that.

-- Foo

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> David,
>
> I must again thank you for all the authoritative details which have been
> very illuminating, even if we seem to slip into disagreements when
> expressing opinions about how actors may behave in different situations etc.
>
> I take form the discussion that you and many of the so called tech community
> are convinced that US government cannot do anything bad to the Internet's
> architecture vis a vis what has been called the CIRs and the associated
> phenomenon. According to you the system is too well distributed for this to
> happen. Now, let me accept for the sake of my present argument that this is
> indeed true. If so, why would you and others be against giving a UN body
> exactly the same role as the US gov has at present, as long as the relevant
> guarantees that the distributed system will be maintained as present vide an
> international agreement, which inter alia cannot be changed without US and
> its allies agreeing to any change.  Can you please specifically answer this
> question. While as you say, that UN body will not be able to do anything bad
> to the Internet, as you claim at present US government cannot do, such an
> arrangement will satisfy so many in the non US world, and then we can have a
> smooth cordial sail for ever, and much of the acrimony which so regularly
> arises on this count will be gone. Is it not a worthy goal to seek.
>
> In other words, why does an arrangement looks so innocent when when in the
> hands of the US government, and the same arrangement when shifted to an
> international body backed by inviolable international law  becomes the
> resounding shrill cry of 'UN control of the Internet'.  Can you help me
> understand this apparent paradox.
>
> And there can be no doubt that US law and exercise of US's executive power
> is much more liable to arbitrary use and possible sudden changes than
> international law and its execution. The fact that many US based and pro US
> actors simply dont accept this simple and patently clear fact is quite,
> well, bugging to most non US actors, if not outright disrespectful of
> equality of people, groups and countries, which is a very very serious
> thing. One should realise that an international law/ treaty based
> organisation simply cannot but act in strict adherence to the law, and the
> law cannot be changed without the consent of all, or at least of a very big
> majority, and certainly certainly not without the consent of US, EU etc. Be
> absolutely assured of this.... So creating this spectre of a China along
> with an Iran suddenly starting to dictate how the Internet will be run is
> such a big a lie and deliberate delusion, and it is also such an affront to
> people's intelligence. At the same time I am all for civil society to be
> very watchful of what happens at the UN or ITU etc as we are watchful what
> happens with the US gov or India gov. But a sense of balance will do us all
> good.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 07 June 2012 12:51 AM, David Conrad wrote:
>
> We're mixing a couple of threads here.  A clarification:
>
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:30 AM, McTim wrote:
>
>
> I think what drc is trying to tell you  (from his vast firsthand
> experience) is that IF in the incredibly unlikely
> event that the IANA created a rootzone that excluded say .in AND NTIA
> signed off on this change, the TCRs
> from around the world would have to fly to a rootsigning ceremony,
> recreate the keys that are used to sign the
> key that signs the rootzone (a bit of a simplification for ease of
> readability), resign the new zone and then send
> it to Verisign for publication.
>
>
> As mentioned previously, IANA doesn't create the root zone. In the normal
> course of events, a TLD admin sends an update to IANA.  ICANN personnel make
> sure the request comes from an appropriate entity and makes sense, then
> submits the change requests to NTIA.  NTIA, after making sure ICANN followed
> documented policies and procedures, authorizes those changes.  Verisign
> edits the zone, signs it with the Zone Signing Key, and distributes it to
> the root servers.  The root server operators then publish the zone to the
> Internet.
>
> If the USG decided .IN should no longer exist in the root zone, they would
> bypass ICANN and would force Verisign to remove the .IN entry from their
> database, generate a new zone, sign it, and distribute it to the root
> servers.  The root server operators would then have to publish the zone.
> The point being that even in the worst case, there can be no unilateral
> action.
>
> The TCRs would only be involved if the private keys stored in both sets of
> the DNSSEC hardware security modules were destroyed or otherwise made
> unusable.  In such a case, the TCRs, acting together, can regenerate the
> DNSSEC Key Signing Key private key. That key is used to sign (make valid)
> the Zone Signing Key used by Verisign.  TCRs were brought up in response to
> Norbert's idea of having multiple Key Signing Keys, not in the context of
> keeping the USG from going rogue.
>
>
>
> In that incredibly far-fetched scenario, all the root-ops would have
> to accept that new zone.  I suggest that at least some would not.
>
>
> Exactly.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
>
>
>
>
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