[governance] Our internet is at risk

[Carlos A. Afonso]

No, they will not die, but maybe they will become a "Spectre"
organization, not in the sense which terror movies use, but in the sense
of concentrating on international allocation coordination of the spectrum.

--c.a.

On 06/04/2012 01:31 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In terms of the IETF, it is my understanding that among the changes they recommend is a requirements for compliance with ITU Recommendations regarding Internet protocols, including specifically IETF protocols (e.g. the whole MPLs, VPN set of protocols).
> 
> As for whether the ITU or I die first, I am betting on me.  I see them as having time on their side, but it is a moot point.
> 
> As for demonization, I don't demonize them.  They are doing what it is their nature, and they beleive their mandate, to do.  Yes, I have picked the side that is not them for a great many reasons and I am saying we need to fight them on every possible front.  But I don't see them as demons at all.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 4 Jun 2012, at 11:47, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> 
>>  
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf OfAvri Doria
>>
>> In WCIT I expect for another push for an oversight model over ICANN, IETF and anything else they can get the requisite number of governments to support.
>>
>> [Milton L Mueller] Huh? Avri, I am quite sure that WCIT will not even come close to such a move, as it is almost completely unrelated to the ITRs. Even the US State Dept is not claiming that such things will happen. Did I miss something? Which proposals, drawing from in the ISOC-prepared list of proposals, would give the ITU oversight over IETF?
>>
>> Basically I think ITU will do anything they can to get control of anything they can, and WCIT is the next battleground in a very long war of attrition.  they want it call, but will grab whatever they can.  The ITU is forever and they can wait.
>>
>> [Milton L Mueller] It’s not my intention to defend ITU, but I do not feel comfortable with the implied demonization of such entities and the attribution of false things to them. If there is a war of attrition, it is clear that ITU is losing it. Time is NOT on the ITU’s side, given their financial condition and their reliance on the old model of hefty fees for access to standards docs.  I also think such claims detract from the real threats, which are related to economic aspects regarding interconnection of telcos and their impact on the “neutral” net (end to end argument) model.
>>
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