From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 14 04:42:25 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:42:25 +0900 Subject: [governance] my remarks prepared now Message-ID: This is my draft, I plan to read this not representing IGC, but still . In 10 min or so... any immediate comment welcome, izumi A comment from civil society participants at the IGF Open Consultation 14 Febtruaru2012 I am one of the two co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, or CS IGC, and also a civil society member of the CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements. This is not to represent the whole IGC formaly, but still I would like to make the following remarks for the record as a member of the civil society, long particiapted in WSIS I, WGIG WSIS II, all IGFs and CSTD meetings for IGF. First, we are encouraged to see many of our friends in our room and also those who could not physically present here but participating remotely who all have strong interest to continue our work, for organizing the second round of the IGF. As you all know, Civil Society is a very important component of the multi-stakeholder framework and operation of IGF. This means that we like to work with you, government, private sector, techincal and academic community, among others, all stakeholders together. First and foremost, we would like to keep this spriti high, and also like to see enhanced multi-stakeholder participation for the IGF 2.0 We are also very much in favor of enhancing the participation from the developing parts of the world in IGF, its consultation meetings like today, MAG, and other important areas. In this regard, we are very concerend that the current economic situation is putting some shades into the financial parts of the IGF organization. We feel very strongly that funding support is very much needed to make IGF further success. We, Civil Society, are one of the least resourceful stakeholders and therefore we always seek for funding support, especially for the MAG and CSTD works, and also for the main IGF meetings. Unfortunately, with the lack of funding support, many civils society colleagues including MAG members could not make it this time. Likewise, we have learned that our CSTD Working Group members will not be able to physically attend the meeting next week again due to lack of funding. Civil society and other groups with limited resources, such as associations or networks of small businesses, need support to participate in Internet Governance processes. Such support has been inconsistent – not just in the case of the working group, but also in the case of other important fora such as MAG meetings. This consistently hampers full multistakeholder participation and restricts the overall evolution - and results - of these processes. If the rules and mechanisms of participation in IG processes privileges groups that already have power and resources this 'imbalance' will be reflected in the outcomes of these processes. We know we are not alone, however. People from the least developing countries, small island nations, innovative but small SMEs, some academics and even governments are often suffering from lack of propser funding, and therefore, we don’t see many of these people in this room or other IGF related meetings. We acknolwdge the various kind donors who had provided great financial and in-kind support for the civil society participation, as well as developing country pariticipation, and hope to work together with you again. Deepening democracy and multistakeholder participation in governance requires the inclusion of groups and people who have a stake in the issues under discussion but who are frequently excluded or marginalized. It is not enough to grant the right to participate to these stakeholders; provisions must be made to ensure that they can exercise this right in full. Ensuring multistakeholder participation in the context of the WSIS principles and the Tunis Agenda is not just about adhering to commitments which many governments agreed to. The ultimate goal is to generate better and more sustainable policy outcomes that reflect the diversity of voices, ideas, concerns and needs of all relevant stakeholders. We will work on this issue among us, to find mutual solustion, and we also ask you to work together with us on this matter. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 04:52:49 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:52:49 +1300 Subject: [governance] my remarks prepared now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some quick thoughts: - Agree with notions that organisations should host information about national, regional and global IGFs on their websites to encourage awareness; - Encourage vertical and horizontal integration of issues from national and regional IGFs to feed into the global IGF; - Congratulate the IGF Secretariat on the increase in remote participation in Nairobi (compared to Vilnius from 1 remote hub to 8 hubs from the Pacific in Nairobi); - The UN needs to coordinate with its points of presence in various regions to get behind the regional IGF and support the initiatives; The IGF Secretariat should send letters to push this throughout the UN or something; - Agree that the voice of emerging economies needs to be heard and encourage diversity; On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > This is my draft, I plan to read this not representing IGC, but still . > In 10 min or so... any immediate comment welcome, > > izumi > > > A comment from civil society participants > at the IGF Open Consultation > > 14 Febtruaru2012 > > I am one of the two co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet > Governance Caucus, or CS IGC, and also a civil society member of the > CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements. > > This is not to represent the whole IGC formaly, but still I would like > to make the following remarks for the record as a member of the civil > society, long particiapted in WSIS I, WGIG WSIS II, all IGFs and CSTD > meetings for IGF. > > First, we are encouraged to see many of our friends in our room and > also those who could not physically present here but participating > remotely who all have strong interest to continue our work, for > organizing the second round of the IGF. > > As you all know, Civil Society is a very important component of the > multi-stakeholder framework and operation of IGF. This means that we > like to work with you, government, private sector, techincal and > academic community, among others, all stakeholders together. First and > foremost, we would like to keep this spriti high, and also like to see > enhanced multi-stakeholder participation for the IGF 2.0 > > We are also very much in favor of enhancing the participation from the > developing parts of the world in IGF, its consultation meetings like > today, MAG, and other important areas. > > In this regard, we are very concerend that the current economic > situation is putting some shades into the financial parts of the IGF > organization. > We feel very strongly that funding support is very much needed to make > IGF further success. We, Civil Society, are one of the least > resourceful stakeholders and therefore we always seek for funding > support, especially for the MAG and CSTD works, and also for the main > IGF meetings. > Unfortunately, with the lack of funding support, many civils society > colleagues including MAG members could not make it this time. > Likewise, we have learned that our CSTD Working Group members will not > be able to physically attend the meeting next week again due to lack > of funding. > > Civil society and other groups with limited resources, such as > associations or networks of small businesses, need support to > participate in Internet Governance processes. Such support has been > inconsistent – not just in the case of the working group, but also in > the case of other important fora such as MAG meetings. This > consistently hampers full multistakeholder participation and restricts > the overall evolution - and results - of these processes. If the rules > and mechanisms of participation in IG processes privileges groups that > already have power and resources this 'imbalance' will be reflected in > the outcomes of these processes. > > We know we are not alone, however. People from the least developing > countries, small island nations, innovative but small SMEs, some > academics and even governments are often suffering from lack of > propser funding, and therefore, we don’t see many of these people in > this room or other IGF related meetings. > We acknolwdge the various kind donors who had provided great financial > and in-kind support for the civil society participation, as well as > developing country pariticipation, and hope to work together with you > again. > > Deepening democracy and multistakeholder participation in governance > requires the inclusion of groups and people who have a stake in the > issues under discussion but who are frequently excluded or > marginalized. It is not enough to grant the right to participate to > these stakeholders; provisions must be made to ensure that they can > exercise this right in full. > > Ensuring multistakeholder participation in the context of the WSIS > principles and the Tunis Agenda is not just about adhering to > commitments which many governments agreed to. The ultimate goal is to > generate better and more sustainable policy outcomes that reflect the > diversity of voices, ideas, concerns and needs of all relevant > stakeholders. > > We will work on this issue among us, to find mutual solustion, and we > also ask you to work together with us on this matter. > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 14 05:16:41 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:16:41 +0900 Subject: [governance] my remarks prepared now In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA4C@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA4C@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Thanks Sala and Wolf and Imran, As it seemed few speakers were taking the floor (which is my mis-judgement ;-), I made my shortened remarks already. As the points Sala and Imran added, we have more time to visit these later today and tomorrow, and will do so as the agenda touches these. The one I read is sort of an opening remark. Finland and UK, among others, took good note of my remarks and mentioned that. UK said: "We note concern of civil society participation, that is fundamentally important, and also participation from developing and least developing countries is vital." something like that. Please read the real-time script on the website. izumi izumi 2012/2/14 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > Well done Izumi, > > it has my full support. > > wolfgang > > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Izumi AIZU > Gesendet: Di 14.02.2012 10:42 > An: Governance List > Betreff: [governance] my remarks prepared now > > > > This is my draft, I plan to read this not representing IGC, but still . > In 10 min or so...  any immediate comment welcome, > > izumi > > > A comment from civil society participants > at the IGF Open Consultation > > 14 Febtruaru2012 > > I am one of the two co-coordinators of the Civil Society Internet > Governance Caucus, or CS IGC, and also a civil society member of the > CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements. > > This is not to represent the whole IGC formaly, but still I would like > to make the following remarks for the record as a member of the civil > society, long particiapted in WSIS I, WGIG WSIS II, all IGFs and CSTD > meetings for IGF. > > First, we are encouraged to see many of our friends in our room and > also those who could not physically present here but participating > remotely who all have strong interest to continue our work, for > organizing the second round of the IGF. > > As you all know, Civil Society is a very important component of the > multi-stakeholder framework and operation of IGF. This means that we > like to work with you, government, private sector, techincal and > academic community, among others, all stakeholders together. First and > foremost, we would like to keep this spriti high, and also like to see > enhanced multi-stakeholder participation for the IGF 2.0 > > We are also very much in favor of enhancing the participation from the > developing parts of the world in IGF, its consultation meetings like > today, MAG, and other important areas. > > In this regard, we are very concerend that the current economic > situation is putting some shades into the financial parts of the IGF > organization. > We feel very strongly that funding support is very much needed to make > IGF further success. We, Civil Society, are one of the least > resourceful stakeholders and therefore we always seek for funding > support, especially for the MAG and CSTD works, and also for the main > IGF meetings. > Unfortunately, with the lack of funding support, many civils society > colleagues including MAG members could not make it this time. > Likewise, we have learned that our CSTD Working Group members will not > be able to physically attend the meeting next week again due to lack > of funding. > > Civil society and other groups with limited resources, such as > associations or networks of small businesses, need support to > participate in Internet Governance processes. Such support has been > inconsistent - not just in the case of the working group, but also in > the case of other important fora such as MAG meetings. This > consistently hampers full multistakeholder participation and restricts > the overall evolution - and results - of these processes. If the rules > and mechanisms of participation in IG processes privileges groups that > already have power and resources this 'imbalance' will be reflected in > the outcomes of these processes. > > We know we are not alone, however. People from the least developing > countries, small island nations, innovative but small SMEs, some > academics and even governments are often suffering from lack of > propser funding, and therefore, we don't see many of these people in > this room or other IGF related meetings. > We acknolwdge the various kind donors who had provided great financial > and in-kind support for the civil society participation, as well as > developing country pariticipation, and hope to work together with you > again. > > Deepening democracy and multistakeholder participation in governance > requires the inclusion of groups and people who have a stake in the > issues under discussion but who are frequently   excluded or > marginalized. It is not enough to grant the right to participate to > these stakeholders; provisions must be made to ensure that they can > exercise this right in full. > > Ensuring multistakeholder participation in the context of the WSIS > principles and the Tunis Agenda is not just about adhering to > commitments which many governments agreed to.  The ultimate goal is to > generate better and more sustainable policy outcomes that reflect the > diversity of voices, ideas, concerns and needs of all relevant > stakeholders. > > We will work on this issue among us, to find mutual solustion, and we > also ask you to work together with us on this matter. > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 14 05:24:22 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:24:22 +0900 Subject: [governance] SkypeChat Message-ID: Those in Geneva now and also participating remotely have opened Skype chat. Please send your Skype Name to Sala if you want to be also connected. izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 14 09:58:54 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:58:54 +0900 Subject: [governance] To remote participants Message-ID: Could someone online, remotely participating, make specific intervention or input online, to be read and heard in this meeting? Especially around Human Rights. izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Feb 15 04:18:53 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:18:53 +0900 Subject: [governance] MAG meeting - just started Message-ID: Chengtai just said, as you can read from script, that this MAG meeting is open to observers, and also added that MAG members who want to take the floor, use their name plates and record their name. No mention about the observer's speaking slot. izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 15 04:24:16 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:24:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] MAG meeting - just started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A565C0D-17EF-4F0F-87DA-728FEAFCA09C@acm.org> Hi, I would think that it is up to our CS MAG reps to bring up the issue of allowing others to speak. Or to propose the notion of having some of the MAG candidate from CS take the place of the current MAGots who could not travel to this meeting. But do we even have any CS MAGots in the room? Or are any of our MAGots who could not travel to the meeting on the meeting remotely? avri On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:18, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Chengtai just said, as you can read from script, that this MAG meeting > is open to observers, and also added that MAG members who want > to take the floor, use their name plates and record their name. > No mention about the observer's speaking slot. > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Feb 15 05:12:06 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:12:06 +0900 Subject: [governance] MAG meeting - just started In-Reply-To: <7A565C0D-17EF-4F0F-87DA-728FEAFCA09C@acm.org> References: <7A565C0D-17EF-4F0F-87DA-728FEAFCA09C@acm.org> Message-ID: Fouad has brought the issue of CS observers to take the floor at MAG meeting, and MAG went into closed meeting for about 40 min, and now the verdict: According the procedure of MAG, in this meeting, discussion mostly involving MAG members, but we are very thankful to all observers and your opinion and comments are decided to give you possibility to provide some comments, and Chairman will announce - about five minutes for your comment, and after that, your opinion will be taken back by MAG membesr, Decisions of MAG members will take them into considerations. something like that. izumi 2012/2/15 Avri Doria : > Hi, > > I would think that it is up to our CS MAG reps to bring up the issue of allowing others to speak. > Or to propose the notion of having some of the MAG candidate from CS take the place of the current MAGots who could not travel to this meeting. > > But do we even have any CS MAGots in the room? > Or are any of our MAGots who could not travel to the meeting on the meeting remotely? > > avri > > > On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:18, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Chengtai just said, as you can read from script, that this MAG meeting >> is open to observers, and also added that MAG members who want >> to take the floor, use their name plates and record their name. >> No mention about the observer's speaking slot. >> >> izumi >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Feb 15 05:40:37 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:40:37 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft report material for the CSTD IGF WG online - your comment very much welcome! Message-ID: Dear all, We are now at MAG meeting, as observers, but still it is open to observers. However, the CSTD IGF WG meeting next week is completely closed. Yet, on the CSTD website, the material. almost the draft Report is now there. It's titled as "Chairman´s preliminary consolidated version of the rolling document" together with Chairman's summary of the 4th meeting (Jan). http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Meeting.asp?intItemID=2068&lang=1&m=23408&year=2012&month=2 Could you please send your comments to this list, or any of CSTD WG members from CS, so that we can make effective input and influence next week in the closed door meeting. best, izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Feb 15 06:57:36 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:57:36 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft Recommendation Doc Message-ID: Dear list, In addition to the documents already online for CSTD IGF WG, there also is an additional document sent to the WG members a few days ago which is not yet online. Though close in substance, it is much easier to read and understand, and closer to the final report, in my view. So, under my own responsibility, I am sharing this document with IGC list members. Please understand that this is a work-in-progress document and my intention is to have better inputs from the list so that we can work more productively next week. All the words here is sort of in square bracket, tentative, until everything is agreed. izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know some have dinner or other arrangements in the evenings, but it would be nice to collect our thoughts on this MAG and also the way forward, including CSTD IGF WG meeting next week, and also our strategy for IGF2012, workshop, etc. izumi --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Feb 16 05:18:27 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:18:27 +0900 Subject: [governance] Day 2 MAG meeting Message-ID: This morning, MAG started to duscuss on Main theme, carried on from yesterday. China proposed to delete "human" in consideration of host country. Almost all others said leave "human" in. So after 20 min or so, the Chair agreed to keep "human" in and host country agreed. Now, it's done. Internet governance for sustainable human, social and economic development Now we are discussing around the composition of main sessions. Brazil (Romlo) specifically mentioned Wolfgang's idea/proposal of having Internet Principles in the next IGF session, and Bertrand and others also support the same direction. Challenge is how and where, and/if, we can put HR as single main session or merge with other themes. izumi izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Feb 16 06:34:52 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:34:52 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft IGC short Statement on remote participation Message-ID: Hi, I came with the following draft statement of sort: Any comments and additions most welcome. I have to go off-line soon, but will come back during lunch time and plan to speak at the beginning of the afternoon session. Thanks, izumi IGC Statement on remote participation We like to reiterate that remote participation is a cruical part of organizing IGF and we appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the Open consultation and MAG meeting which was opened to observers, we like to point out and suggest the followings: On the third day, remote observers were effectively excluded because they had no access to live transcript. Even Mag members trying to participate online had difficulty in contacting moderators. We strongly urge MAG and IGF secretariat to consider the followings for the future IGF organizing work and IGF itself. ------ Provide as much interactivity as possible. Ensure equal participation between online and offline participants Always assign exclusive remote participation coordinator/moderator (who do not have other jobs at the same time). Provide plural means – video, voice and text channel, as well as real-time transcription which can be easily accsebile with even low-bandwidth access ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Feb 16 09:40:20 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:40:20 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft IGC short Statement on remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Thanks Imran and Marilia, and also some comments on Skype channel, and I also spoke with Seiichi and the guys from Turin. I tried to incorporate all suggestions, as follows: more comments welcome. izumi --- IGC Statement on Remote Participation We like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial part of organizing IGF and we appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the Open consultation and MAG meetings which were opened to observers. We like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from Politecnico di Torino, or The Polytechnic University of Turin which was originally brought by our colleague Vittorio Bertola in the first place. Building on that, we like to point out and suggest the followings to further improve our remote participation: There were some problems with video feeds and there was not a clear procedure that would encourage remote participants to intervene. This idea should encompass those physically present in Geneva and those observing the meeting remotely. We regret that remote observers were effectively excluded from the MAG meeting, because they had no access to live transcript. And we must add that even Mag members trying to participate online had difficulty in contacting moderators We urge MAG and IGF secretariat and ourselves, to consider the followings for the future IGF organizing work and IGF itself and work together: Provide as much interactivity as possible. Ensure equal participation between online and offline participants Prepare a clear guideline for remote participation and its moderation Always assign exclusive remote participation coordinator/moderator (who do not have other jobs at the same time and is responsible to interact between the meeting physical participants+ speaker and the Remote Participants). Provide plural means – video, voice and text channel, as well as real-time transcription and video streaming / coverage of the meeting. Enable the meeting and remote participation through interactive presentations access through RP. Due to limitation of sufficient funds availability for direct participation, it is crucially required for a common Remote participants as well as for a MAG members. ----- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:00:54 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:00:54 +1300 Subject: [governance] Draft IGC short Statement on remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My comments are inline [sorry just woke up] On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > Thanks Imran and Marilia, and also some comments on Skype channel, and > I also spoke with Seiichi and the guys from Turin. > > I tried to incorporate all suggestions, as follows: > more comments welcome. > > izumi > > --- > IGC Statement on Remote Participation > > We like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial part of > organizing IGF and we appreciate the effort to provide remote > participation for the Open consultation and MAG meetings which were > opened to observers. > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible outcomes to make improved remote participation a necessity. There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries and territories.Remote participation was the only way that any of these countries could access the IGF. However there is room to improve processes and create an IGF culture where remote participation is prioritised through setting up parallel screens that enable people to chat and stream in to the sessions where those who are at the meeting can read these chats or feeds in text form and also see the various hubs who are participating. There should be a select task force or Working Group created that has representatives from the Government, Private Sector and Civil Society that is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote Participation. These improvements transcend having the appropriate technical solutions and should also include the following:- - Outreach; - Mapping local and regional stakeholders; - Coordinating with people on the ground 10 months before the IGF in a series of strategic roll out; - Identifying how the private sector, civil society and governments can be better involved in the remote hubs etc > We like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from > Politecnico di Torino, or The Polytechnic University of Turin which > was originally brought by our colleague Vittorio Bertola in the first > place. > > Building on that, we like to point out and suggest the followings to > further improve our remote participation: > > There were some problems with video feeds and there was not a clear > procedure that would encourage remote participants to intervene. This > idea should encompass those physically present in Geneva and those > observing the meeting remotely. > > We regret that remote observers were effectively excluded from the MAG > meeting, because they had no access to live transcript. And we must > add that even Mag members trying to participate online had difficulty > in contacting moderators > > We urge MAG and IGF secretariat and ourselves, to consider the > followings for the future IGF organizing work and IGF itself and work > together: > > Provide as much interactivity as possible. > Ensure equal participation between online and offline participants > > Prepare a clear guideline for remote participation and its moderation > > Always assign exclusive remote participation coordinator/moderator > (who do not have other jobs at the same time and is responsible to > interact between the meeting physical participants+ speaker and the > Remote Participants). > > Provide plural means – video, voice and text channel, as well as > real-time transcription and video streaming / coverage of the meeting. > > Enable the meeting and remote participation through interactive > presentations access through RP. > > Due to limitation of sufficient funds availability for direct > participation, it is crucially required for a common Remote > participants as well as for a MAG members. > > ----- > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Feb 16 14:29:32 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:29:32 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft IGC short Statement on remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Sala, though it was too late to include this in the statement I made already, I will try to incorporate it with the CSTD IGF WG meeting next week. best, izumi 2012/2/17 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro : > My comments are inline [sorry just woke up] > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Thanks Imran and Marilia, and also some comments on Skype channel, and >> I also spoke with Seiichi and the guys from Turin. >> >> I tried to incorporate all suggestions, as follows: >> more comments welcome. >> >> izumi >> >> --- >> IGC Statement on Remote Participation >> >> We like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial part of >> organizing IGF and we appreciate the effort to provide remote >> participation for the Open consultation and MAG meetings which were >> opened to observers. > > > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible outcomes to > make improved remote participation a necessity. > > There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely > expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries and > territories.Remote participation was the only way that any of these > countries could access the IGF. However there is room to improve processes > and create an IGF culture where remote participation is prioritised through > setting up parallel screens that enable people to chat and stream in to the > sessions where those who are at the meeting can read these chats or feeds in > text form and also see the various hubs who are participating. There should > be a select task force or Working Group created that has representatives > from the Government, Private Sector and Civil Society that is dedicated to > seeing  improvements of Remote Participation. > > These improvements transcend having the appropriate technical solutions and > should also include the following:- > > Outreach; > Mapping local and regional stakeholders; > Coordinating with people on the ground 10 months before the IGF in a series > of strategic roll out; > Identifying how the private sector, civil society and governments can be > better involved in the remote hubs etc >> >> >> We like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from >> Politecnico di Torino, or The Polytechnic University of Turin which >> was originally brought by our colleague Vittorio Bertola in the first >> place. >> >> Building on that, we like to point out and suggest the followings to >> further improve our remote participation: >> >> There were some problems with video feeds and there was not a clear >> procedure that would encourage remote participants to intervene. This >> idea should encompass those physically present in Geneva and those >> observing the meeting remotely. >> >> We regret that remote observers were effectively excluded from the MAG >> meeting, because they had no access to live transcript. And we must >> add that even Mag members trying to participate online had difficulty >> in contacting moderators >> >> We urge MAG and IGF secretariat and ourselves, to consider the >> followings for the future IGF organizing work and IGF itself and work >> together: >> >> Provide as much interactivity as possible. >> Ensure equal participation between online and offline participants >> >> Prepare a clear guideline for remote participation and its moderation >> >> Always assign exclusive remote participation coordinator/moderator >> (who do not have other jobs at the same time and is responsible to >> interact between the meeting physical participants+ speaker and the >> Remote Participants). >> >> Provide plural means – video, voice and text channel, as well as >> real-time transcription and video streaming / coverage of the meeting. >> >> Enable the meeting and remote participation through interactive >> presentations access through RP. >> >> Due to limitation of sufficient funds availability for direct >> participation, it is crucially required for a common Remote >> participants as well as for a MAG members. >> >> ----- >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:34:57 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:34:57 +1300 Subject: [governance] Draft IGC short Statement on remote participation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Izumi, in that case if you could change "necessity" to "reality" in the first sentence, I would be grateful. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Thanks Sala, > > though it was too late to include this in the statement I made already, > I will try to incorporate it with the CSTD IGF WG meeting next week. > > best, > > izumi > > > 2012/2/17 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>: > > My comments are inline [sorry just woke up] > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> Thanks Imran and Marilia, and also some comments on Skype channel, and > >> I also spoke with Seiichi and the guys from Turin. > >> > >> I tried to incorporate all suggestions, as follows: > >> more comments welcome. > >> > >> izumi > >> > >> --- > >> IGC Statement on Remote Participation > >> > >> We like to reiterate that remote participation is a crucial part of > >> organizing IGF and we appreciate the effort to provide remote > >> participation for the Open consultation and MAG meetings which were > >> opened to observers. > > > > > > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible > outcomes to > > make improved remote participation a necessity. > > > > There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely > > expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries and > > territories.Remote participation was the only way that any of these > > countries could access the IGF. However there is room to improve > processes > > and create an IGF culture where remote participation is prioritised > through > > setting up parallel screens that enable people to chat and stream in to > the > > sessions where those who are at the meeting can read these chats or > feeds in > > text form and also see the various hubs who are participating. There > should > > be a select task force or Working Group created that has representatives > > from the Government, Private Sector and Civil Society that is dedicated > to > > seeing improvements of Remote Participation. > > > > These improvements transcend having the appropriate technical solutions > and > > should also include the following:- > > > > Outreach; > > Mapping local and regional stakeholders; > > Coordinating with people on the ground 10 months before the IGF in a > series > > of strategic roll out; > > Identifying how the private sector, civil society and governments can be > > better involved in the remote hubs etc > >> > >> > >> We like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from > >> Politecnico di Torino, or The Polytechnic University of Turin which > >> was originally brought by our colleague Vittorio Bertola in the first > >> place. > >> > >> Building on that, we like to point out and suggest the followings to > >> further improve our remote participation: > >> > >> There were some problems with video feeds and there was not a clear > >> procedure that would encourage remote participants to intervene. This > >> idea should encompass those physically present in Geneva and those > >> observing the meeting remotely. > >> > >> We regret that remote observers were effectively excluded from the MAG > >> meeting, because they had no access to live transcript. And we must > >> add that even Mag members trying to participate online had difficulty > >> in contacting moderators > >> > >> We urge MAG and IGF secretariat and ourselves, to consider the > >> followings for the future IGF organizing work and IGF itself and work > >> together: > >> > >> Provide as much interactivity as possible. > >> Ensure equal participation between online and offline participants > >> > >> Prepare a clear guideline for remote participation and its moderation > >> > >> Always assign exclusive remote participation coordinator/moderator > >> (who do not have other jobs at the same time and is responsible to > >> interact between the meeting physical participants+ speaker and the > >> Remote Participants). > >> > >> Provide plural means – video, voice and text channel, as well as > >> real-time transcription and video streaming / coverage of the meeting. > >> > >> Enable the meeting and remote participation through interactive > >> presentations access through RP. > >> > >> Due to limitation of sufficient funds availability for direct > >> participation, it is crucially required for a common Remote > >> participants as well as for a MAG members. > >> > >> ----- > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > www.anr.org > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Feb 20 04:42:01 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:42:01 +0900 Subject: [governance] Day 1 - CSTD WG on IGF improvement Message-ID: Now, the CSTD Working Group on IGF improvement starting. Unfortunately, Marilia could not travel to Geneva due to lack of funding. Other than her, we are here - Anriette, Parminder, Wolfgang and myself. Chair (Meter Major) - report on WGIGF 4th meeting. Established points of broad agreements on Items A, B and D, which is Shaping the Outcomes, Working Modalities, and Broadening Participation, but not C, Funding. Chair- ask for coherent texts with no ambiguity in case of dissent – alternative recommendations in addition to recommendations by majority interpretations should be straightforward Expected results of this meeting: Agreement on format and content 5-6 recommendations per topics agreement on evaluation and reporting on implementation of recommendations (CSTD) Preliminary discussion on Chairman’s report to be submitted to CSTD Chair's Remark: we are drafting recommendations not a treaty part of CSTD resolution, but not writing the treaty (like ITU) Working modality suggested modality: seek approval to use draft recommendations as working document - work: either in plenary/sequentially or in small groups and plenary - recommendations by consensus - in case of dissent – propose alternative recommendations [footnote] - circulate final version of Chairman’s report to CSTD among members of WGIGF for comment and approval after 5th meeting Basically, we agree on the substance of the report, and comments are mostly on editorial areas. I am really optimistic. I think there is mutual trust among members, with friendly atmosphere, all are determined to create something new. IGF secretariat will inform on MAG meetings last week for the Nov IGF in Baku, Azerbaijan I hope most of recommendations will be incorporated in the next IGF WGIGF 5th meeting follow-up Chairman’s summary of the 5th meeting List of agreed recommendations for the improvements of the IGF Chair’s report to be submitted to the CSTD on its 16th session from 21 That's Chair's opening remarks. Now discussion starting - I will not make detailed report, but will try to share some main points of discussions Izumi --- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Feb 20 08:48:33 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:48:33 +0900 Subject: [governance] Day 1 - CSTD WG IGF - No. 2 Message-ID: Now,the first round of discussion: - to go in small groups or keep the plenary discussion. Most governments wanted to go in plenary, and that the way to go, - style of report - resolution style or recommendation, short and concise, need chapeau etc agreed -- Today we are going work on A & B, tomorrow, on C &D, Wednesday, on E and finalize the report. A - Shaping the outcomes of IGF meetings Some asked: Who is going to implement these recommendations? After several rounds of discussions, the Chair asked to form a small group over coffee break, and then came back and discussed a little more, but went to Lunch, including the continuation of the small group discussion/negotiation. Now, this is the latest text proposal to be discussed after the lunch made among different members together: ---- Develop more tangible and impact oriented outputs - To focus discussions, the preparation process of each IGF should formulate a set of policy questions to be considered at the IGF, as part of the overall discussion. The results of the debates of these questions should be stated in the outcome documentation with special focus on policy perspectives and aimed at capacity building. - New ways should be found to extract the outcomes of discussions at the IGF in the form of messages {or topical reports}, that should map out consensus and diverging opinions and capture the range of policy options available, especially with regard to the identified set of policy question - The IGF should continue to produce its current reports, including the chairman´s report, the sessions transcripts, the workshop reports and the overall proceedings. ---- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Feb 27 03:30:06 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:30:06 +0900 Subject: [governance] Co-co meeting Message-ID: Dear list, Sala and I had a long and good conversation this afternoon (Tokyo time) and evening (Fiji time) and just finished. We covered most of the issues currently on the table, ie, MAG selection, NomCom, Appeal Team, etc, mindful of my delicate situation as being MAG nominee, and agreed to write a summary report and will share here as soon as possible. It may take a day or two, I think, and I ask you a little patience. We had a very productive discussions and in the end made very good agreement for the next course of actions. We just like to make it clear in written form before making you to know. We really appreciate all the opinions and comments, irrespective of our "personal" positions, and take all of them into serious consideration, we promise. We hope to have your continued engagement support to co-cos, but also hope to have collaborative, effective IGC, and to that end we will do our best. Of course we remain open to your further comments after our report, and listen you all and try to help form our consensus by all. Sala and Izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 28 15:17:46 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:17:46 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft compilation for IG4D Themes for IGF2012 Message-ID: Dear List, I was asked by Sala to try to consolidate various ideas for the MAG working on the IGF2012 themes. I could not really "consolidate", but here are the compilations from the Pirate Pad and this mailing list: I just listed the different topics suggested under IG4D thread and Pirate Pad, and made in Question form. Not too much help, but given my very limited time now,I hope Fouad could use them somehow into his input to MAG. I will try to work on other themes as well, if not all at once. Many thanks, izumi -------------------------- IG4D themes •What are specific global Internet governance issues that have particular relevance to development? •How can we Increase participation of stakeholders from developing countries with a special focus on Increasing Youth and Women participation in IG from Least Developed Countries? •Can IG, access, development and rights be inextricably linked to the rule of law in developing countries? •How can convergence of Internet and Mobile Technology help in bridging the gap and what needs to be done in the next 12 months? •Where can IG decisions stimulate work on building community skills and capabilities to take advantage of ICTs in development? [Emerging issues for IG4D] •How can Open Data affect Development and what are the governance issues around Open Data? These might fit into the general emerging issues track, but a development-centred look at these issues could also be useful). •How can IG4D become pertinent to social inclusion and development in Africa? -Sub-theme: *How to promote Internet education in Africa and develop and advocate for policies and initiatives that governments could adopt in this respect? *IT literacy and Internet literacy programmes targeted at particular populations such as housewives, youth, military personnel, farmers and socially excluded sectors such as low-income families and the disabled. This would be a critical and necessary step in order to increase internet uptake in Africa, bridge the digital divide, and promote social inclusion as well. Broadband - Catalyst for Growth •How to help developing countries to establish broadband policies which have direct link to their sustainable social and economic development? Could we learn from some leading examples in light of recent global economic turmoil? Suggested sub themes could be: - Policy Considerations; - From Rags to Riches [eg. of countries who have climbed out of poverty] - Stimulus - how to deal with the challenges ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 28 15:58:39 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:58:39 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft Compilation for Access and Diversity Themes Message-ID: This is my compilation for Access and Diversity Themes Note: Filtering issues should be dealt in Security, Privacy and Openess and Theme and Human Rights related issues should be dealt in Human Right Theme and thus moved to their track suggestions. Thanks, izumi ------------------ Compilation for Access and Diversity Themes -- Following topics are suggested and discussed Internet for Kids (and Child Protection) or IMPACTS OF THE INTERNET ON YOUTH: CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE and YOUNG ADULTS, AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE INTERNET'  How are 'youth' affected by Internet Governance decisions?  How are 'youth' shaping the Internet? How can opportunities for youth to contribute positively to the development of the Internet be encouraged?What are the differences in how Internet Governance should address issues for children, young people and young adults?  Clean Contents Development Awareness Compaign for the Kids Internet.  Debates for Provisioning of Kids Internet Governance, (that is beyond the Contents Filtering for Kids)  -Vote for the Provisioning of dot-Kids (gTLD with IDN translations)  -Campaign for Free Access to Kids Internet for Next Generation.  .Search engine for Kids  Browser + Firewall for Kids Internet.  Do children have no Right to Privacy?  From what age do children acquire the right to privacy?  How to ensure there is positive content available to children in engaging online and making positive choice? [rather than adults choosing to control children's and young people's access to information with filtered online spaces] To create a universal definition for 'a child' is a major obstacle in harmonising policy and legislation. Can we find something that can be reconfigured to provide a benefit for the 'new youth' as they come along? Internet for Elderly or Senior Citizens The Internet offers them benefits and problems as well. They are a very large but rather marginalised stakeholder group. “Participation of vulnerable people in the Information Society and their voice should be raised” was also suggested, but no further specifics were suggested 3) MULTILINGUALISM 21. Public Awareness for Contents Development/ Conversion into Local language. ●Public Awareness for Contents Development/ Conversion into Local language ●Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) ○ Panels that comprises of the IETF, ICANN and ITU to update the community on the work that is being done by these organisations on IDNs and explore some of the controversial elements of IDNs; ●Multilingualism in Global Policy Consultations should factor 4) 19. Internet for Women Or WOMEN EMPOWERMENT - also suggested but not further specifics were mentioned --------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 28 16:00:52 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:00:52 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft Compilation for Human Rights Themes Message-ID: This is my compilation for Human Right themes thread. I think there are still more themes that Civil Society want to push, but given tight deadline, and also some active players are right now engaged in the UN Human Right Commission, I would ask our MAG members to try to accommodate some more. Thanks, izumi IGF Themes Human Rights ACCESS TO KNOWLEDGE; Internet as a tool of public participation (instead of “consultation”) - a tool for connecting governments, governance and citizens. 'Children's Rights: Protection, Provision and Participation', (Instead of ONLINE CHILD PROTECTION) Balancing of rights - Intellectual Property Rights vs. Freedom of Expression vs. Privacy - Balancing the interests and human rights of producers and users of creative, digital goods of culture. - What are the most serious current imbalances and injustices? - Strategies for improving the situation Filtering - How do you balance filtering content and freedom of expression? - What should regulators consider when creating [filtering] policies? - When is filtering acceptable? [w/strong objection] * The spam problem - Problems caused by undesired automated communications - Undesired side-effects of spam filters - Strategies for improving the situation * Harmful and illegal content - What kind of content should be declared illegal? - What is done about this? - Undesired side-effects of some of these measures - Strategies for improving the situation ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Feb 28 16:54:39 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:54:39 +0900 Subject: [governance] Draft Compilation for Taking Stock and Way Forward themes Message-ID: Taking Stock and Way Forward Dear list, the following themes were suggested for the Taking Stock and Way Forward session. thanks, izumi ----------- IGF Themes for Taking Stock and Way Forward "How are the rules for the Internet set". - Awareness of the process often leads to identification of the responsible actors. How to coordinate and harmonize the current plurality of developing principles for Internet regulation? Following combination of A and B is suggested, 90 min session each: •INTERNET GOVERNANCE PRINCIPLES FRAMEWORK or Internet Governance Regulatory Ecosystem and • B. BRIDGING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE: FACILITATING PARTICIPATION FOR ALL IN THE INFORMATION SOCIETY AND KNOWLEDGE ECONOMY • PROMOTING HUMAN, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT • CONTRIBUTING TO POVERTY ALLEVIATION • INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT ISSUES • SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY AND SERVICES • [HOW TO HANDLE THE DIVERSITY OF NATIONAL LEGAL FRAMEWORK] ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Feb 1 04:20:36 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:20:36 +0000 Subject: [governance] Upcoming IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting / Shall we start the conversation.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 13:57:54 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Robert Guerra writes >I am curious if anyone has any information to share about the upcoming >IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting taking place mid-Feb in Geneva. I've also asked this question, on the list and in private email, but not heard anything back. One simple question: who is chairing (could be next year's host, last year's host or someone else - I don't think a new Special Advisor to the SG has been appointed). -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Feb 1 04:22:35 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:22:35 +0000 Subject: AW: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <+vHG5EZbRQKPFAD8@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6 at server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>, at 16:40:30 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" writes >is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution >and part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human >Rights Declaration? There have been signs for a generation at US security screening points (xray and metal detector) that passengers should not joke about carrying weapons. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:36:27 2012 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:36:27 +0200 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: <8CEAE4B8F9EBAA4-1BF8-223D0@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com> References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <8CEAE4B8F9EBAA4-1BF8-223D0@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ronald You took the words right out of my mouth. The "shouting fire in a crowded theatre (Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case *Schenck v. United States * in 1919) is iconic and has stood the test of time. Whereas Handyside v. UK 'widens' the scope of Freedom of Expression, this is counterbalanced by the "three-part" test on restrictions to this freedom. http://www.article19.org/pages/en/limitations.html Article 19(3) of the ICCPR lays down the conditions which any restriction on freedom of expression or access to information must meet: The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary: (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals. The *Declaration on Principles of Freedom of Expression in Africa *uses a similar formula. It states, in Principle II: 2. Any restrictions on freedom of expression shall be provided by law, serve a legitimate interest and be necessary and in a democratic society. Best regards, Rui On 31 January 2012 18:21, Koven Ronald wrote: > Dear Wolfgang -- > > The problem is that the Homeland Security people can't seem to tell the > difference between "crying fire in a crowded theater," which is not > protected by the 1st Amdmt. and a genuinely funny or unfunny attempt to be > humorous. Given 9/11, can they really be blamed for erring on the side of > not laughing ? > > I really hate what we now must go thru to get on a plane, but I might > not even be around to hate it if someone got on a plane with a bomb. So I'd > rather just keep the hating to myself. > > Bests, Rony > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolf > gang" > To: governance ; Riaz K Tayob < > riaz.tayob at gmail.com> > Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 5:00 pm > Subject: AW: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from > US > > Hi > > is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and part of > Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human Rights Declaration? > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob > Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US > > > 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT > > > Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US > > Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said > > > Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were > refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. > > Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy America". > > He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent home. > > Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that holidaymakers > should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in any way". > > The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages ahead of > his holiday in Los Angeles. > > The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the micro-blogging > service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy > America." > > The Irish national told the Sun newspaper > that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los Angeles > International Airport before being sent home. > > "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of terrorist," Mr > Bryan said. > > "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." > > No joke > > Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers need to > learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming trips, > particularly after 9/11. > > Continue reading the main story > > > "Start Quote > > > Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential > risk" > > Abta > > "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as threatening - > in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere - will not be viewed > sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. > > "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for 'joking' > that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and ending up missing > their flights, demonstrating that airport security staff do not have a sense of > humour when it comes to potential risk." > > In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy saying that > he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' Marilyn Monroe > up". > > Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about his > Twitter messages. > > 'Tweeter account' > > After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed that he > had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to the United > States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. > > "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy America." > > Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood Airport > > The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it tried to > maintain a balance between "securing our borders while facilitating the high > volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses our borders every day". > > It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the United > States is a welcoming nation." > > Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In January > 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected Robin Hood Airport > in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for him to see his > girlfriend. > > He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry offered > to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed Feb 1 04:37:34 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:37:34 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <8CEAE4B8F9EBAA4-1BF8-223D0@angweb-usd022.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9BF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi Ronny, we al know this since decades and the "crying fire in a crowded theater" argument is well known, reasonable and reflects the issues of freedon & responsibility (or rights & duties) in public media and individual private communications. So nothing is new. The problem is that one can settle such issues only on a case by case approach taking into account the concrete circumstances and this needs due process and a legal procedure (and transparency). But as some people has said on this list, the more annoying fact is that Twitter posts are systematically watched by somebody else. Also here we know the difference between an open postcard (which can be read by any postman) and a closed letter (which is private and its content is protected by law). And Twitter is certainly a postcard and not a private letter. The problem here is that we have to be careful in critisizing similar practices by more restrictive regimes. The double standard approach will bring us back to the cold war constellation where the freedom fighters of the West were seen by the East as the "aggressors" while the peace fighters of the East were seen by the West as the "terrorists". So nothing is new and a clear answer is difficult. As said above it has to can be settled only by a case by case approach, taking into account the circumstances and based on clear criteria and standards which are laid down in Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights. ________________________________ Von: Koven Ronald [mailto:kovenronald at aol.com] Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 17:21 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US Dear Wolfgang -- The problem is that the Homeland Security people can't seem to tell the difference between "crying fire in a crowded theater," which is not protected by the 1st Amdmt. and a genuinely funny or unfunny attempt to be humorous. Given 9/11, can they really be blamed for erring on the side of not laughing ? I really hate what we now must go thru to get on a plane, but I might not even be around to hate it if someone got on a plane with a bomb. So I'd rather just keep the hating to myself. Bests, Rony -----Original Message----- From: "Kleinwächter, Wolf gang" To: governance ; Riaz K Tayob Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 5:00 pm Subject: AW: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US Hi is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human Rights Declaration? wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy America". He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent home. Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in any way". The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy America." The Irish national told the Sun newspaper that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los Angeles International Airport before being sent home. "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of terrorist," Mr Bryan said. "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." No joke Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers need to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming trips, particularly after 9/11. Continue reading the main story "Start Quote Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk" Abta "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere - will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy saying that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' Marilyn Monroe up". Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about his Twitter messages. 'Tweeter account' After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to the United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy America." Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood Airport The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses our borders every day". It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the United States is a welcoming nation." Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected Robin Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for him to see his girlfriend. He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:52:25 2012 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:52:25 +0200 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Hi Wolfgang Just for thought. A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials thought he was joking and did not see any humour in it. It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the diving air compressor. It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the linguistic faux pas as a reasonable explanation. Regards Rui 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > Hi > > is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and > part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human Rights > Declaration? > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob > Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US > > > 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT > > > Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US > > Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said > > > Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were > refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. > > Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy > America". > > He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent > home. > > Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that > holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in > any way". > > The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages > ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. > > The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the > micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep > before I go and destroy America." > > The Irish national told the Sun newspaper < > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-news-US-bars-friends-over-Twitter-joke.html> > that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los > Angeles International Airport before being sent home. > > "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of > terrorist," Mr Bryan said. > > "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." > > No joke > > Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers need > to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming > trips, particularly after 9/11. > > Continue reading the main story < > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312#story_continues_2> > > "Start Quote > > > Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes > to potential risk" > > Abta > > "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as > threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere - > will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. > > "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for > 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and > ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security staff > do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." > > In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy saying > that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' Marilyn > Monroe up". > > Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about > his Twitter messages. > > 'Tweeter account' > > After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed > that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to the > United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. > > "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy > America." > > Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood Airport > > The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it > tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while > facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses > our borders every day". > > It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the > United States is a welcoming nation." > > Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In > January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected Robin > Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for > him to see his girlfriend. > > He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry > offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Wed Feb 1 05:33:13 2012 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:33:13 +0900 Subject: [governance] Upcoming IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting / Shall we start the conversation.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Think the more important questions are do we have any comment on the Nairobi meeting and process (what can be improved etc), and what we think the main themes for the year should be. Those are the main issues for the meeting. About Azerbaijan and the country's rights record, asking about any provisions the UN's made to ensure freedom of speech, participation/entry to the IGF etc might be helpful. Adam On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at > 13:57:54 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Robert Guerra writes > >> I am curious if anyone has any information to share about the upcoming >> IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting taking place mid-Feb in Geneva. > > > I've also asked this question, on the list and in private email, but not > heard anything back. > > One simple question: who is chairing (could be next year's host, last year's > host or someone else - I don't think a new Special Advisor to the SG has > been appointed). > -- > Roland Perry > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Feb 1 05:41:43 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:41:43 -0200 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4F2916E7.80707@cafonso.ca> Robotic stupidity is inherent to the profession, it seems, particularly when the service is in practice militarized. During the military dictatorship in BR in the seventies, soldiers invaded the São Paulo university campus (I was studying there at the time) and found a book on hydraulic pumps ("bombas hidráulicas" in Portuguese) and a paper on the dynamics of underwater explosions -- both from the engineering course in Fluid Mechanics. The texts were impounded. Someone must have noticed the stupidity later on and the texts were never mentioned in the military courts. I continue to be amazed at the Guinness record of stupidity when the immigration officers went to search for the shovels the Brits ought to be bringing from Britain to unearth Marilyn's body. This must be a record. []s fraternos --c.a. On 02/01/2012 07:52 AM, Rui Correia wrote: > Hi Wolfgang > > Just for thought. > > A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for > telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a > volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials thought > he was joking and did not see any humour in it. > > It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in > defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", > and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the > diving air compressor. > > It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the linguistic > faux pas as a reasonable explanation. > > Regards > > Rui > > 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < > wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > >> Hi >> >> is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and >> part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human Rights >> Declaration? >> >> wolfgang >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob >> Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 >> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >> >> >> 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT >> >> >> Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >> >> Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said >> >> >> Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were >> refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. >> >> Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy >> America". >> >> He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent >> home. >> >> Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that >> holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in >> any way". >> >> The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages >> ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. >> >> The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the >> micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep >> before I go and destroy America." >> >> The Irish national told the Sun newspaper < >> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-news-US-bars-friends-over-Twitter-joke.html> >> that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los >> Angeles International Airport before being sent home. >> >> "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of >> terrorist," Mr Bryan said. >> >> "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." >> >> No joke >> >> Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers need >> to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming >> trips, particularly after 9/11. >> >> Continue reading the main story < >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312#story_continues_2> >> >> "Start Quote >> >> >> Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes >> to potential risk" >> >> Abta >> >> "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as >> threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere - >> will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. >> >> "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for >> 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and >> ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security staff >> do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." >> >> In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy saying >> that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' Marilyn >> Monroe up". >> >> Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about >> his Twitter messages. >> >> 'Tweeter account' >> >> After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed >> that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to the >> United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. >> >> "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy >> America." >> >> Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood Airport >> >> The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it >> tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while >> facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses >> our borders every day". >> >> It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the >> United States is a welcoming nation." >> >> Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In >> January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected Robin >> Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for >> him to see his girlfriend. >> >> He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry >> offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sangeeta at twnetwork.org Wed Feb 1 05:58:41 2012 From: sangeeta at twnetwork.org (Sangeeta Shashikant) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:58:41 +0000 Subject: [governance] Agenda Africa IP Summit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, Attached is a draft agenda of the Summit. It is an updated version of what is available on the US government site. It is a pretty twisted agenda on IP. If you are interested to protest against this Summit, pls do sign onto the letter we have drafted to WIPO. See below Sangeeta Third World Network ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- Dear All, The US government is planning to hold in April an Africa IP Summit in partnership with Japan, France, and WIPO. South Africa is hosting this meeting. The private sector (ICC, BASCAP,Pfizer, Eli Lily et al) is sponsoring this meeting. The main focus of this Summit is enhanced IP protection and enforcement particularly on counterfeiting and piracy. Clearly this is a platform for US, Japan France to promote the TRIPS plus plus agendas seen in ACTA, TPPA, EPA etc, and this Summit will be promoting more anti-counterfeiting bills in Africa. Many of these provisions are likely to have a problematic impact on access to medicines. If you are interested in more details see the US government site http://www.cldp.doc.gov/programs/Africa-intellectual-property-forum . The Commercial Law Department Programme of the US department of commerce is organising this summit. We think it is important to raise some concern over this event. So we have drafted 2 letters. One addressed to the World Intellectual Property Organisation WIPO (see below).We have also drafted similar letter to South Africa missions in Geneva. If you are interested to sign on to these letters, pls send me the name of your organisation and contact details to sangeeta at twnetwork.org or ssangeeta at myjaring.net by Friday, 3rd February. Regards Sangeeta Shashikant Third World Network www.twnside.org.sg --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Francis Gurry Director General World Intellectual Property Organization Africa IP Summit: Lacking a Development Dimension Dear Mr. Gurry, In 2004, the WIPO Development Agenda was launched amidst significant concerns that WIPO¹s activities lacked a development dimension, undermined public interest, while promoting the interests of IP holders. The Development Agenda received widespread global support leading to the adoption of 45 Development Agenda recommendations in 2007. We believe that at the core of these recommendations is the need for WIPO to ensure that a balanced and evidence based agenda on intellectual property is promoted taking into account the different levels of development and public interest considerations. Principles of transparency and avoiding of conflicts of interests also underpin these recommendations. In view of this, we note with significant disappointment and concern the context in which the upcoming Africa IP Summit will be held. Some key concerns are: Conflicts of Interest: It is worrying to see that a major event such as an Africa wide forum is being co-organised in partnership with US, France and Japan. These governments are known for advocating TRIPS plus agendas in developing countries in the interests of their own industries and priorities. For instance these countries are proponents of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), a plurilateral treaty that is widely criticized for its secret negotiating process and the detrimental impact on public interest issues such as access to medicines, freedom of expression over the internet and access to knowledge. One key aim of the treaty is to export these problematic IP enforcement standards to developing countries. These countries also promote TRIPS plus standards through Free Trade Agreements such as through the Economic Partnership Agreements, and the recent Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations. It is widely known that the different TRIPS plus standards advocated to, and in many cases imposed on to developing countries, will have devastating consequences for development including on access to affordable medicines, freedom of expression over the internet and access to knowledge. These standards are imposed to ³kick away the ladder² for developing countries and to protect the interests of certain influential domestic actors. In view of this, WIPO¹s partnership with these countries to host an Africa wide IP Summit amounts to conflict of interests and is simply unacceptable. To make matters worse the Summit is being sponsored by the private sector in particular the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC), Business Action to Stop Counterfeiting and Piracy (BASCAP), Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Company etc., that clearly have a strong stake in a pro-IP protection and enforcement agenda . The involvement of the private sector also raises issues of conflict of interests. WIPO being an intergovernmental and a specialized agency of the UN must take immediate measures to ensure that all its activities are evidence based, free of conflicts of interests and undue influence of actors that are known to promote an unbalanced IP agenda. Lacking a development and public interest dimension: The Africa IP Summit concept paper suggests a programme that undermines the spirit of Development Agenda. It is premised on the notion that heightened IP protection and enforcement will deliver development and protect public interest. This distorted approach has no historical or empirical basis and has been clearly rejected by the Development Agenda process. Important development issues such as the different levels of development, the importance of flexibilities (e.g. LDC transition periods, exceptions and limitations (e.g. parallel importation, compulsory licensing,) in meeting developmental objectives, examining and addressing the impact of IP on critical public interests issues such as access to affordable medicines, and access to knowledge, appear to be disregarded. Even more worrying is that the Summit aims to promote the link between IP enforcement and public health and safety, presumably to frighten people into accepting inappropriate standards of IP enforcement agenda. We stress that an IP enforcement framework will not deliver effective public health protection as IP rights are not granted on the basis of the quality and safety of the product. Instead inappropriate standards of IP enforcement are likely to hinder public health such as access to affordable medicines. This has been amply demonstrated by the many seizures of quality generic medicines in transit at various European ports. Lobbying by some multinational companies and their developed country governments in linking IP enforcement to public health has led to a proliferation of anti-counterfeiting bills in many African countries as well as at the regional level, most notably in East Africa. The enactment of these bills is usually promoted on public health grounds. However in reality these bills are only about protecting the rights of IP holders and are in fact ³TRIPS plus plus² in so many ways, containing provisions that undermine flexibilities and that are detrimental to national developmental objectives such as building local production capacity, scaling up access to affordable medicines and improving access to knowledge. For example, most of these bills define ³Counterfeit² products as being substantially similar or identical to IP protected products, which effectively makes every generic pharmaceutical a counterfeit. In Kenya, enactment of the Anti-Counterfeit Act 2008 has been challenged by people living with HIV/AIDS on the grounds that enforcement and application of the Act will deny them access to affordable essential medicines and thus deny their Right to Life. Noting the controversies surrounding these bills, it is inappropriate for WIPO to be championing the strengthening of IP enforcement on alleged public health grounds. Further we stress that addressing the issue of substandard, poor quality medicines (also often labeled as ³counterfeit medicines²) is not within the mandate of WIPO but a responsibility of the World Health Organization. Dealing with the problem of ³counterfeit medicines² requires a focus not on IP enforcement but on building regulatory capacity and ensuring access to affordable medicines. A process is already underway at the WHO to address this. Apart from medicines, it is also not within WIPO¹s mandate to deal with other poor quality, substandard products thus it is surprising that the Africa IP Summit is heavily focused on this issue. Lack of Transparency & Information: According to available information, the WIPO and African regional IP organizations are key partners in the organization of the Africa IP Summit. However to date there appears to be no information available on WIPO¹s website about this Summit. This undermines implementation of the Development Agenda recommendation on transparency. Further the US government website[1] states that registration request will not guarantee participation and that the participants will be selected. However no information is being provided on the criteria that will be the basis for selection. Following the above concerns, we demand that: WIPO postpone the holding of the Africa wide IP Summit. WIPO should also reconsider its partnership with the different interests involved and work to organize a balanced forum that is development oriented and upholds public interests as well as that is free of any conflicts of interests and influence of actors that tend to promote an unbalanced IP agenda. The process of organizing such a forum, (i.e. the selection of speakers, the drafting of the programme, criteria for selection of participants) should be transparent and all information should be promptly available on WIPO¹s website. Further we also call on WIPO to avoid partnering actors that tend to promote an unbalanced IP agenda in its future activities. 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If you are interested to protest against this Summit, pls do sign onto the letter to WIPO circulated yesterday. Sangeeta Third World Network ------------------------------------------------------------- DRAFT AGENDA Africa IP Forum: Intellectual Property, Regional Integration and Economic Growth in Africa Cape Town, South Africa Cape Town International Convention Centre (CTICC) April 3-5, 2012 Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8h00-8h45 Registration 8h45-9h30 Opening Ceremony CTICC Auditorium 1 Suggested Speakers:(2-3 minutes each; Davies official opening 5-10 mins) >>> * DG, African Regional Intellectual Property Organization (ARIPO) >>> * DG, African Intellectual Property Organization (OAPI) >>> * DDG, World Intellectual Property Organization >>> * Japanese Representative >>> * French Representative >>> * Ambassador Donald Gips, US Ambassador to South Africa >>> * Dr. Rob Davies, MP, Minister of Trade and Industry >> * Suggested Moderator: >>> * Rory Voller, Deputy Commissioner, Companies and Intellectual Property >>> Commission (CIPC) 9h30-11h00 Plenary 1 CTICC Auditorium 1 ³IP as an Enabler of African Economic and Cultural Development² Description: Using IP to Promote African Economic Development, Production and Trade Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Khalid Rahel, Chef de la Division de la Preservation du Patrimoine et de >>> l'Innovation (Morocco) >>> * Ron Layton, Light Years IP >>> * Hon. Betty Mould-Iddrisu, Minister of Education, Ghana >>> * Japan to nominate >>> * France to nominate >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * WIPO DDG 11h00-11h30 Coffee/Tea Break 11h30-13h00 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the Management & Administration of IP 11h30-13h00 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 ³Scoring with IP² Description: The Juncture of Sports, Trademarks, Broadcasting and Merchandising in Africa Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * South Africa to nominate (re: World Cup/FIFA or Rugby) >>> * South Africa to nominate (IOC?) >>> * South Africa to nominate (broadcasting?) >>> * Japan to nominate >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Carol Croella or other WIPO 11h30-13h00 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³Cooperative Approaches to IPR Enforcement² Description: Government Structures for Effective IPR Enforcement, Including the Development of IPR Task Forces, Regional Cooperation, and the Secrets of an Effective IP Law Enforcement Unit Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Omari Muwowo (Zambia) >>> * Ekizi-Egnim Akala (Togo) >>> * Patrick Gyan, Chief Collector, RILO National Contact Point, International >>> Affairs, Ghana Revenue Authority Customs Division >>> * Dr. Geoffrey Mariki, DG, or John Mponela, Fair Competition Commission >>> (Tanzania) >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Rich Halverson, Unit Chief, IPR/Outreach & Training, US Immigration and >>> Customs Enforcement, IPR Center >>> * Thierry Tuina (Burkina Faso), Permanent Representative for Interpol 11h30-13h00 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 Why CMOs are Important, Status of CMO Development in Africa, and Resources Available from WIPO and International CMOs for the Development of CMOs Description: Why CMOs are Important and How WIPO and International CMOs Can Help African CMOs Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * David Alexander, Sheer Music(SA) >>> * Robert Hoojier, Director of African Affairs, International Confederation >>> of Societies of Authors and Composers (CISAC) >>> * Greenfield Chilongo, international Federation of Reproduction Rights >>> Organizations (IFRRO), Regional Development Representative (Zimbabwe) >>> * Irene Vieira (Ivory Coast) >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * David Uwemedimo, Director of Creators and Performers Support Division, >>> WIPO 13h00-14h00 Plenary Lunch with Keynote Speaker Cameron F. Kerry, General Counsel, U.S. Department of Commerce >> CTICC Ballroom 14h00-15h15 Plenary 2 >> CTICC Auditorium 1 ³Dangers of Counterfeit Goods² Description: Combating Counterfeit Products to Address the Threat to Public Health and Safety on the African Continent Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Mr. Geoffrey Otieno, Sales Director at Sproxil East Africa >>> * Uche Nwokocha, President, Anti-Counterfeit Coalition, Nigeria >>> * Mustapha Hajjou, PhD., (Morocco) Program Manager-Africa, Promoting the >>> Quality of Medicines Program, US Pharmacopeia >>> * Bama O.Yao (Cote d¹Ivoire), WCA Hub Coordinator, CropLife Africa Middle >>> East, (Agricultural Inputs-fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides) >>> * UL representative >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * African Minister (South Africa to nominate) 15h15-15h45 Coffee/tea break >>> 15h45-17h00 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the >>> Management & Administration of IP 15h45-17h00 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 ³Promoting African Culture Through IP² Description: Exchange of Experiences Concerning the Protection and Monetization of Traditional Knowledge and Traditional Cultural Expressions in Africa >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Light Years IP on commercialization and cultural tourism >>> * Karyn Temple-Claggett, Senior Counsel, Policy & International Affairs, US >>> Copyright Office >>> * African Regional Intellectual Property Organization (ARIPO) to nominate >>> * South Africa to nominate >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Tshepo Shabangu, President, South African Institute of IP Law 15h45-17h00 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³An Offer You Can¹t Refuse: The Link Between Organized Crime and IP Theft² Description: The Global and Regional Trend of Organized Crime and IP Theft and Steps to Combat Criminal Activity Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (proposed 3 only given subject matter): >>> * Namory Timite (Cote d¹Ivoire) >>> * Colin Denyer, Senior Investigations Manager, Africa - Middle East >>> * Anti Illicit Trade Unit - Intelligence Unit Eastern Europe, Middle East, >>> Africa Region (EEMEA), British American Tobacco (BAT) >>> * Tom Kubic, Pharmaceutical Security Institute >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * John Newton, Programme Manager, Intellectual Property Rights Programme, >>> Financial and High-Tech Crime Sub-Directorate, Interpol Secretariat >>> * Representative of African financial crime/corruption division from Angola >>> or Mozambique-USG to nominate 15h45-17h00 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 ³Protecting IP on the Broadcast Spectrum² Description: Discussion on Various Approaches to the Protection of Broadcasting Signals in the African Continent >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Bradley Silver, Time Warner (SA) >>> * Michele Woods, Associate Register for Policy and International Affairs, US >>> Copyright Office >>> * Nigel Sonariwo, Kenku Enterprises, Nigeria >>> * WIPO to nominate >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Elizabeth Kendall, US Trade Representative 17h00 End of Day 1 Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8h00-9h00 Registration 9h00-10h30 Plenary 3 >> >> CTICC Auditorium 1 >> >> ³Supporting African Competitiveness Through Innovation, Entrepreneurship and >> Voluntary Technology Transfer² Description: Increasing African Competitiveness Through Innovation Policies, Franchising, Licensing, and Commercialization of R&D Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * James Odek, Dean of Law School, Univ. of Nairobi, Kenya >>> * Andrew Sherman, Dolby General Counsel on IP-enabled innovation >>> * Eugene Honey, Director, Bowman Gilfillan on franchising >>> * Innovation Hub representative ­ South Africa to nominate >>> * Caterpillar representative >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Ambassador Betty E. King, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva 10h30-11h00 Coffee/tea break >>> 11h00-12h30 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the >>> Management & Administration of IP 11h00-12h30 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 ³Promoting Food Security through IP² Description: Harnessing Agricultural and Biotech Innovation in Africa through IPR >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Mr. Peter Button, Vice Secretary-General, UPOV on Plant Variety Protection >>> Under UPOV Convention: Development of Laws in Africa >>> * Professor Monty Jones, Executive Director of Forum for Agricultural >>> Research in Africa (FARA) in Accra. Past winner of the World Food Prize--New >>> Rice for Africa (NERICA) >>> * Anatole Krattiger, research professor at the Biodesign Institute at >>> Arizona State University (ASU) or Evan Skinyi from Kenya on public-private >>> cooperation >>> * John H. Costello, the president and co-founder of CNFA on Agricultural >>> Entrepreneurship in Africa: Success Stories >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Japan to nominate 11h00-12h30 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³Practical Keys to Effective IPR Border Enforcement² Description: Best practices, experiences, and trends in combating counterfeit and piratical goods at the border Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Salihou-Mamadou Sidikou (Benin) >>> * South Africa to nominate >>> * ICC-BASCAP member company (ie HP) >>> * WCO representative >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * David Brener, Chief, IPR Operations Branch, IPR Center, US Customs and >>> Border Protection >>> * Grace Adeyemo, Nigeria Customs 11h00-12h30 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 ³Modernization of IP Infrastructure² Description: Building African IP Administration Office Infrastructure and Increasing Capacity to Participate in the Knowledge Economy Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Marisella Ouma, Kenya Copyright Board (KeCoBo) >>> * African Regional Intellectual Property Organization (ARIPO) representative >>> * African Intellectual Property Organization (OAPI) representative >>> * WIPO to nominate >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * WIPO IT specialist 12h30-13h30 Plenary Lunch with TBD Keynote Speaker CTICC Ballroom 13h30-15h00 Plenary 4 >> >> CTICC Auditorium 1 >> >> ³Intellectual Property Industries as Revenue Producers and Job Creators² Description: Discussion on the Economic Contribution of Copyright-Based Industries in Africa Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Dicken Marshall, Founder of Rafiki Records (Rwanda) >>> * Minister Cyril Chamos (Tanzania) on value capture >>> * WIPO to nominate (i.e. GDP studies) >>> * Musician to be nominated >>> * Microsoft representative >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Michele Woods, Associate Register for Policy and International Affairs, US >>> Copyright Office 15h00-15h30 Coffee/tea break 15h30-17h00 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the Management & Administration of IP 15h30-17h00 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 >>> >>> ³A Spotlight on the African Film Industry² Description: A Dialogue on the Culture and Business Models of Film in Africa Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>>> * Franco Saachi, Zambian documentarian of Nollywood, filmmaker in Residence >>>> at Boston University. >>>> * Amaka Igwe, film director and CEO of Amaka Igwe Studios. >>>> * Afam Ezekude, Director General of the Nigerian Copyright Commission >>>> * Kevin Fleischer, Executive Producer of film ³Otelo Burning² (South >>>> Africa) Suggested moderator: >>> * Greg Olaniran, Partner, Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp (MSK)- Back up panelists: >>>> * Desmond Elliott, Nollywood actor >>>> * Zik Zulu Okafor, President of the Nigerian Association of Movie Producers >>>> * Professor Oluyinka Esan 15h30-17h00 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³View from the Bench: Lessons Learned in the Civil and Criminal Adjudication of IP Cases² Description: A Dialog on the Successes and Challenges Faced by Enforcement Officials in Investigating and Prosecuting IP Crime in the Region >>> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Justice Olajumoke Olusola Pedro, Lagos State High Court >>> * Marie-Flore Kouame, Trial Attorney, CCIPS, US Department of Justice >>> * Senegalese judge-USG to nominate >>> * Felix Koku Mawusi, Ghanaian prosecutor >> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Honorable Judge Bernice B. Donald, US 6th Circuit >>> * Ret. Judge Louis Harms-South Africa to invite 15h30-17h00 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 ³Establishing an African Brand² Description: Exchange of Experiences in Trademark and Geographical Indication Protection and Commercialization >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Getachew Mengestie, IP Consultant (Ethiopia) >>> * Justin Hughes, US Patent and Trademark Office >>> * South Africa to nominate SADC region representative >>> * France to nominate West or Central African >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Gift Sibanda, Director General, African Regional Intellectual Property >>> Organization (ARIPO) 17h00 End of day 2 Thursday, April 5, 2012 8h00-9h00 Registration 9h00-10h30 Plenary 5 >> CTICC Auditorium 1 >> >> Cooperative Approaches to IPR Protection² Description: Discussion on Various Approaches to IPR Protection by National Agencies, Regional Cooperatives, and the Private Sector >> >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Sindiso Ngwenya, Secretary General, COMESA >>> * EAC Secretary General or representative >>> * Stephen Mallowah, CEO, Kenya Anti-Counterfeit Agency >>> * Hon. Hannah Tetteh, Minister of Trade and Industry, Ghana >>> * Regional Chairman, Unilever >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Assistant Attorney General, US Department of Justice >>>> or Nnamdi Kalu Ezera, Senior Counsel, CLDP 10h30-11h00 Coffee/tea break >>> >>> 11h00-12h30 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the >>> Management & Administration of IP 11h00-12h30 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 ³Creating IPR Incentives for Local Innovation and Production of Medicines² Description: A Dialogue on Possible Approaches to Public-Private Cooperation in Creating the Economic Environment for Incentivizing Local Innovation and Production in the Pharmaceutical Sector Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * Konji Sabati, Director, Department of Traditional Knowledge and Global >>> Challenges, WIPO >>> * Lawrence Welch, Assistant General Patent Counsel and Director, Global >>> Patent Procurement, Eli Lilly (US) >>> * Stéphane Drouin, Vice President/International Patents, Pfizer Inc. >>> * Dr. Solomon Mpoke, CEO, Kenya Medical Research Institute (KEMRI) >>> * Representative of non-governmental organization involved in WIPO Re:Search >>> Consortium >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Lois Quam, Global Health Initiative 11h00-12h30 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >> >> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³IPR Enforcement in Cyberspace² Description: A Discussion on How Technological Developments in the Digital Environment Have Exacerbated Counterfeiting and Pirating Activity, and Possible Steps at Combating Such Activity >> >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Representative from Mali-USG to nominate >>> * Tony Abulu, CEO or Caroline Okolo, Director of Operations Film Association >>> of Nigeria (FAN) >>> * John Robertson, Special Agent, US Federal Bureau of Investigation >>> * Cyber Investigator, South African Police Service, Computer Crime >>> Investigative Section (name to be provided by US Department of Justice) >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Solomon Monyame (Botswana) >>> * Justin Hughes, US Patent and Trademark Office >>>> >>>> Backup speaker: Basil Udotai, Chair, Nigeria Cyberwire Working Group-CLDP >>>> Outreach 11h00-12h30 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 >> >> ³Compensating Creators² Description: How Collective Bargaining Ensures that Creators/Performers Earn a Fair Livelihood and Contributes to a Solid, Vibrant Industry Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Dianna Hopeson, Musicians¹ Union of Ghana (MUSIGA) >>> * Dick Matovu, Uganda Musicians¹ Union or Abdoul Aziz Dieng, Senegal >>> Musicians¹ Union >>> * Oupa Lebogo, Creative workers union of SA >>> * American Federation of Musicians representative >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Agnette Haaland, President, International Federation of Actors 12h30-13h30 Plenary Lunch with TBD Keynote Speaker CTICC Ballroom 13h30-15h00 Plenary 6 >> >> CTICC Auditorium 1 >> >> ³Increasing IP Awareness by Engaging Stakeholders and the Public² Description: A Discussion on IP Awareness in Africa and Possible Methods for Increasing IP Awareness in the Continent Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * ICC-Business Alliance to Stop Counterfeiting and Piracy BASCAP >>> * Kofi Essuman, Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Illicit Trade, Ghana >>> (CACIT) >>> * WIPO Outreach Services Section, WIPO to nominate (including matchmaking >>> database) >>> * France to nominate >>> * Michele Forzley, JD, MPH, Global Public Health Lawyer, Consultant & >>> Professor, Protecting public health with governance and rule of law >>> principles >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Dr. Edou Edou, Director General, African Intellectual Property >>> Organization (OAPI) 15h00-15h30 Coffee/tea break >>> 15h30-17h00 Break Out Sessions on Applying IP, Enforcement of IP and the >>> Management & Administration of IP 15h30-17h00 Track 1: Applying Intellectual Property >>> >>> CTICC Meeting Room 1.41-1.44 ³Commercializing African Music² Description: A Primer on Music Commercialization >> >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * Ralph Simon, Mobilium (SA now in US/UK) on mobile platforms >>> * Cobhams Asuquo, Nigerian music producer >>> * Erin McKeown (US artist) on how to record cheaply, build a website and >>> monetize music >>> * Yoel Kenan, CEO and founder of AFRICORI, SA >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Rose Skelton, journalist (Senegal/UK) 15h30-17h00 Track 2: Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights >> >> CTICC Meeting Room 1.61-1.64 ³Guarding Investments Through IP Contracts² Description: A Discussion on IP Contracts and, in Particular, the Inclusion of Arbitration and Mediation Provisions to Protect the Value of Intellectual Property Assets >> >> >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers (4 to be selected): >>> * South Africa to nominate South African judge >>> * Kathryn Park, General Electric >>> * Representative of Licensing Executive Society and/or INTA from Gabon, >>> Angola and/or Mozambique >>> * Esmé Du Plessis, Patent Attorney and Senior Consultant, Adams & Adams >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Kevin Rosenbaum, US Patent and Trademark Office >>> * Prof. Bankole Sodipo, President, IP Law Association of Nigeria 15h30-17h00 Track 3: Management and Administration of Intellectual Property >> >> CTICC Meeting Room 2.41-2.46 ³Designing for Success: Protecting Product Design and Fashion, and Reaping the Benefits² Description: A Discussion on How Adequate IP Protections for Product and Fashion Designs Create Wealth Building and Investment Opportunities. >> Panel: >>> * Suggested speakers: >>> * African Fashion International (AFI) representative >>> * WIPO to nominate product/industrial design person >>> * Patricia Francis, Executive Director, International Trade Center (ITC) >>> * Eric Raisina, Madagascan fashion designer >>> * Suggested moderator: >>> * Abioye Ella Oyewole, 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Kettemann wrote: > The US Constitution, Art 19 ICCPR and Article 10 ECHR protect jokes, > just as any other form of speech, but there are limits to these rights. > Restrictions are possible if they are "in accordance with law", pursue a > legitime aim (e.g. national security, public safety, protecting the > rights of others) and are "necessary in a democratic society". > > When it comes to border control agents, the situation is different > insofar as tourist don't have a right to enter the US and border patrol > agents thus a rather large leeway in establishing reasons to deny access. This is of course true, yes - but I would still think that these legal protections of freedom of speech imply that the goverment must not adopt policies that have the chilling effect that people must be careful, even when not in the physical presence of representatives of the government, to avoid communicating to friends and family in ways that government representatives could misinterpret. In the present case it's even worse, because this US government policy implies that some people outside the US must avoid communicating with family and friends in some ways that are currently perfectly normal in their culture. Greetings, Norbert -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 07:22:37 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:22:37 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] Message-ID: Dear All, We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 08:06:13 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 02:06:13 +1300 Subject: [governance] Re: MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: 1. Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda 2. Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan 3. Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada 4. Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) 5. Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) 6. Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina 7. Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. Kind Regards On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had > completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in > the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates > to submit their information in the template shown within the email. > Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information > submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put > forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this > information to be sent. > > Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 08:39:43 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:39:43 +0200 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: <4F2916E7.80707@cafonso.ca> References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4F2916E7.80707@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <4F29409F.4050800@gmail.com> Robotic stupidity compounded Carlos. What amazes me is the spectrum of thought on this thread... in the long gone past (before the Patriot Act gained acceptance as a tool of legitimate governance) there were big differences between those "liberals" jealous of their freedoms from the state from others who are proportionate and reasonable... and the former are missing in large order including the "i disagree with what you say but will fight (sans violence) for the right for you to say it"... on freedom of speech I do think instead of thinking like governments/courts need more "jealous" liberals, jealous of any imposition/restriction . . . Sometimes I feel that instead of being civil society, wuddenly we are lawmakers and being "proportionate" when it is the government who should make the case for any limitation on rights... one need only look at the discussions on the Great Firewall of China to look askance at the treatment this issue is receiving... which is an entirely other story... how about your internet bill of rights? On 2012/02/01 12:41 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Robotic stupidity is inherent to the profession, it seems, particularly > when the service is in practice militarized. > > During the military dictatorship in BR in the seventies, soldiers > invaded the São Paulo university campus (I was studying there at the > time) and found a book on hydraulic pumps ("bombas hidráulicas" in > Portuguese) and a paper on the dynamics of underwater explosions -- both > from the engineering course in Fluid Mechanics. The texts were > impounded. Someone must have noticed the stupidity later on and the > texts were never mentioned in the military courts. > > I continue to be amazed at the Guinness record of stupidity when the > immigration officers went to search for the shovels the Brits ought to > be bringing from Britain to unearth Marilyn's body. This must be a record. > > []s fraternos > > --c.a. > > On 02/01/2012 07:52 AM, Rui Correia wrote: >> Hi Wolfgang >> >> Just for thought. >> >> A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for >> telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a >> volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials thought >> he was joking and did not see any humour in it. >> >> It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in >> defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", >> and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the >> diving air compressor. >> >> It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the linguistic >> faux pas as a reasonable explanation. >> >> Regards >> >> Rui >> >> 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"< >> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> >> >>> Hi >>> >>> is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and >>> part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human Rights >>> Declaration? >>> >>> wolfgang >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob >>> Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 >>> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >>> >>> >>> 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT >>> >>> >>> Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >>> >>> Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said >>> >>> >>> Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were >>> refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. >>> >>> Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy >>> America". >>> >>> He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent >>> home. >>> >>> Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that >>> holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in >>> any way". >>> >>> The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages >>> ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. >>> >>> The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the >>> micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep >>> before I go and destroy America." >>> >>> The Irish national told the Sun newspaper< >>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-news-US-bars-friends-over-Twitter-joke.html> >>> that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los >>> Angeles International Airport before being sent home. >>> >>> "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of >>> terrorist," Mr Bryan said. >>> >>> "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." >>> >>> No joke >>> >>> Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers need >>> to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming >>> trips, particularly after 9/11. >>> >>> Continue reading the main story< >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312#story_continues_2> >>> >>> "Start Quote >>> >>> >>> Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it comes >>> to potential risk" >>> >>> Abta >>> >>> "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as >>> threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere - >>> will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. >>> >>> "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for >>> 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and >>> ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security staff >>> do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." >>> >>> In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy saying >>> that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' Marilyn >>> Monroe up". >>> >>> Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about >>> his Twitter messages. >>> >>> 'Tweeter account' >>> >>> After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed >>> that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to the >>> United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. >>> >>> "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy >>> America." >>> >>> Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood Airport >>> >>> The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it >>> tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while >>> facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses >>> our borders every day". >>> >>> It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the >>> United States is a welcoming nation." >>> >>> Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In >>> January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected Robin >>> Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for >>> him to see his girlfriend. >>> >>> He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry >>> offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Feb 1 09:38:35 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:38:35 +0000 Subject: [governance] Upcoming IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting / Shall we start the conversation.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 19:33:13 on Wed, 1 Feb 2012, Adam Peake writes >Think the more important questions are do we have any comment on the >Nairobi meeting and process (what can be improved etc), and what we >think the main themes for the year should be. Those are the main >issues for the meeting. Indeed, bit I'm concerned we don't seem to be able to answer even the simple and less important questions. (And also, what's happening about the MAG nominations). >About Azerbaijan and the country's rights record, asking about any >provisions the UN's made to ensure freedom of speech, >participation/entry to the IGF etc might be helpful. The presentation of which might depend on whether Azerbaijan is chairing the meeting (and failing that, whether they are going to be present). Roland. >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Roland Perry > wrote: >> In message , at >> 13:57:54 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Robert Guerra writes >> >>> I am curious if anyone has any information to share about the upcoming >>> IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting taking place mid-Feb in Geneva. >> >> >> I've also asked this question, on the list and in private email, but not >> heard anything back. >> >> One simple question: who is chairing (could be next year's host, last year's >> host or someone else - I don't think a new Special Advisor to the SG has >> been appointed). >> -- >> Roland Perry >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed Feb 1 10:11:13 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:11:13 -0500 Subject: [governance] Upcoming IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting / Shall we start the conversation.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23B4807F-9287-4BD6-A558-0D79DBC4187F@privaterra.org> On 2012-02-01, at 9:38 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at 19:33:13 on Wed, 1 Feb 2012, Adam Peake writes >> Think the more important questions are do we have any comment on the >> Nairobi meeting and process (what can be improved etc), and what we >> think the main themes for the year should be. Those are the main >> issues for the meeting. > > Indeed, bit I'm concerned we don't seem to be able to answer even the simple and less important questions. (And also, what's happening about the MAG nominations). > There was a public call for comments that concluded on the 27th of Jan. A synthesis document will be produced ahead of the consultation. That being said, would be great if those on this list who sent in written submissions could share them so we could all discuss... >> About Azerbaijan and the country's rights record, asking about any >> provisions the UN's made to ensure freedom of speech, >> participation/entry to the IGF etc might be helpful. > > The presentation of which might depend on whether Azerbaijan is chairing the meeting (and failing that, whether they are going to be present). I take it as a given that AZ will be represented at the meeting. The question is - will they chair the meeting ? Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 1 10:34:14 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:34:14 -0500 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Hi, Good names all. But, What process was used? Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. avri On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. > > Kind Regards > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 10:45:26 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:45:26 -0800 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: Good questions Avri, in the interests of disclosure/transparency... I self-nominated when the call first went around about a month ago and then forgot about it until yesterday when I remembered the deadline, followed up and very rapidly did up the required form and sent it along to the IGF and to Jacquie, literally at the 11th hour. M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:34 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] Hi, Good names all. But, What process was used? Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. avri On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: > . Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > . Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > . Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > . Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > . Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > . Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > . Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > information in via the required template would mean that their names > would not be sent. > > Kind Regards > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: Dear All, > > We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had > completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information > in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential > candidates to submit their information in the template shown within > the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the > information submitted in required format could mean that their names > would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to > enable this information to be sent. > > Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From meraszendro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 11:35:55 2012 From: meraszendro at gmail.com (Mera Szendro Bok) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:35:55 -0500 Subject: [governance] Feb. 7th, DC MAP Forum: "The Global Internet and the Free Flow of Information" Message-ID: I'd like to invite each of you to Media Access Project's upcoming *MAP Forum Series, to take place on Tuesday, February 7th, 9:30 am-12:30 pm at the Pew DC Conference Center*. 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Deirdre On 1 February 2012 09:39, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > Robotic stupidity compounded Carlos. > > What amazes me is the spectrum of thought on this thread... in the long > gone past (before the Patriot Act gained acceptance as a tool of legitimate > governance) there were big differences between those "liberals" jealous of > their freedoms from the state from others who are proportionate and > reasonable... and the former are missing in large order including the "i > disagree with what you say but will fight (sans violence) for the right for > you to say it"... > > on freedom of speech I do think instead of thinking like > governments/courts need more "jealous" liberals, jealous of any > imposition/restriction . . . > > Sometimes I feel that instead of being civil society, wuddenly we are > lawmakers and being "proportionate" when it is the government who should > make the case for any limitation on rights... one need only look at the > discussions on the Great Firewall of China to look askance at the treatment > this issue is receiving... which is an entirely other story... > > how about your internet bill of rights? > > > On 2012/02/01 12:41 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> Robotic stupidity is inherent to the profession, it seems, particularly >> when the service is in practice militarized. >> >> During the military dictatorship in BR in the seventies, soldiers >> invaded the São Paulo university campus (I was studying there at the >> time) and found a book on hydraulic pumps ("bombas hidráulicas" in >> Portuguese) and a paper on the dynamics of underwater explosions -- both >> from the engineering course in Fluid Mechanics. The texts were >> impounded. Someone must have noticed the stupidity later on and the >> texts were never mentioned in the military courts. >> >> I continue to be amazed at the Guinness record of stupidity when the >> immigration officers went to search for the shovels the Brits ought to >> be bringing from Britain to unearth Marilyn's body. This must be a record. >> >> []s fraternos >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 02/01/2012 07:52 AM, Rui Correia wrote: >> >>> Hi Wolfgang >>> >>> Just for thought. >>> >>> A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for >>> telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a >>> volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials >>> thought >>> he was joking and did not see any humour in it. >>> >>> It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in >>> defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", >>> and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the >>> diving air compressor. >>> >>> It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the linguistic >>> faux pas as a reasonable explanation. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Rui >>> >>> 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"< >>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter@**medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>> > >>> >>> Hi >>>> >>>> is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution and >>>> part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human >>>> Rights >>>> Declaration? >>>> >>>> wolfgang >>>> >>>> ______________________________**__ >>>> >>>> Von: governance-request at lists.**igcaucus.orgim Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob >>>> Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 >>>> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from >>>> US >>>> >>>> >>>> 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT >>>> >>>> >>>> Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >>>> >>>> Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said >>>> >>>> >>>> Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends >>>> were >>>> refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. >>>> >>>> Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy >>>> America". >>>> >>>> He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was sent >>>> home. >>>> >>>> Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that >>>> holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion in >>>> any way". >>>> >>>> The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages >>>> ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. >>>> >>>> The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the >>>> micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep >>>> before I go and destroy America." >>>> >>>> The Irish national told the Sun newspaper< >>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/**homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-** >>>> news-US-bars-friends-over-**Twitter-joke.html >>>> > >>>> that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at Los >>>> Angeles International Airport before being sent home. >>>> >>>> "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of >>>> terrorist," Mr Bryan said. >>>> >>>> "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." >>>> >>>> No joke >>>> >>>> Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers >>>> need >>>> to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about forthcoming >>>> trips, particularly after 9/11. >>>> >>>> Continue reading the main story< >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**technology-16810312#story_**continues_2 >>>> > >>>> >>>> "Start Quote >>>> >>>> >>>> Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it >>>> comes >>>> to potential risk" >>>> >>>> Abta >>>> >>>> "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as >>>> threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" somewhere >>>> - >>>> will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. >>>> >>>> "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for >>>> 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and >>>> ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security >>>> staff >>>> do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." >>>> >>>> In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy >>>> saying >>>> that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' >>>> Marilyn >>>> Monroe up". >>>> >>>> Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about >>>> his Twitter messages. >>>> >>>> 'Tweeter account' >>>> >>>> After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed >>>> that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming to >>>> the >>>> United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. >>>> >>>> "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy >>>> America." >>>> >>>> Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood >>>> Airport >>>> >>>> The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it >>>> tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while >>>> facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that crosses >>>> our borders every day". >>>> >>>> It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that the >>>> United States is a welcoming nation." >>>> >>>> Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In >>>> January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected >>>> Robin >>>> Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time for >>>> him to see his girlfriend. >>>> >>>> He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry >>>> offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 12:28:00 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:28:00 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: Deal All, Rest assured that in good time all these questions will be answered as at the moment, the list of nominees are not final as I am still yet to receive it in the requisite templates. What was sent to the list was a list of tentative nominees that the NomCom had selected. Michael, your nomination was supported by IT for Change Kind Regards, Sala On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > Good questions Avri, in the interests of disclosure/transparency... > > I self-nominated when the call first went around about a month ago and then > forgot about it until yesterday when I remembered the deadline, followed up > and very rapidly did up the required form and sent it along to the IGF and > to Jacquie, literally at the 11th hour. > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:34 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] > > > Hi, > > Good names all. > > But, > > What process was used? > Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where are > their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site > anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. > Did I miss that? > > The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks > that > even further. > > > avri > > On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as > follows: > > . Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > . Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > . Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > . Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > . Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > . Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > . Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > > > However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > > information in via the required template would mean that their names > > would not be sent. > > > > Kind Regards > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > wrote: Dear All, > > > > We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > > > In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had > > completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information > > in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential > > candidates to submit their information in the template shown within > > the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the > > information submitted in required format could mean that their names > > would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to > > enable this information to be sent. > > > > Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 12:36:42 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:36:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] Message-ID: <1328117802.59219.yint-ygo-j2me@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear Avri, Nominations were called on the list from NomCom on January 10, 2012 09:01 PM With the subject of [governance] URGENT - Nominations for the MAG ... > However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. I also have similar objection: I never received acknowledgment of receiving EIO/nomination received by NomCom. NomCom did not asked to present! re-submit biography in any required format .rtf as template available on IGF site. However, I sent filled format .rtf to NomCom chair, and requested about confirmation, but did not received reply/feedback. Ms Salanieta told me that the required format was .doc and not the .rtf. However, the selection process and feedback have to open and transparent. Thanks Imran ------------------------------On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 8:45 PM PKT michael gurstein wrote:>Good questions Avri, in the interests of disclosure/transparency... >>I self-nominated when the call first went around about a month ago and then>forgot about it until yesterday when I remembered the deadline, followed up>and very rapidly did up the required form and sent it along to the IGF and>to Jacquie, literally at the 11th hour.>>M>>-----Original Message----->From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:34 AM>To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org>Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT]>>>Hi,>>Good names all.>>But, >>What process was used?>Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where are>their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site>anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC>expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere?>>In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail.>Did I miss that?>>The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best >The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that>even further.>>>avri>>On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>>> Dear All,>> >> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as>follows:>> . Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda>> . Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan>> . Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada>> . Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain)>> . Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva)>> . Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina>> . Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan>> >> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their>> information in via the required template would mean that their names >> would not be sent.>> >> Kind Regards>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro>> wrote: Dear All,>> >> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates.>> >> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had>> completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information >> in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential >> candidates to submit their information in the template shown within >> the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the >> information submitted in required format could mean that their names >> would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to >> enable this information to be sent.>> >> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012.>> >> -->> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> Cell: +679 998 2851>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -->> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> Cell: +679 998 2851>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> >> For all other list information and functions, see:>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>>>> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Feb 1 13:02:24 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:02:24 -0200 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: <4F29409F.4050800@gmail.com> References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4F2916E7.80707@cafonso.ca> <4F29409F.4050800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F297E30.7020104@cafonso.ca> Caríssimo Riaz, people in our list love to do a lengthy, deep exegesis of any issue. Not thtat this might generate (or not) any useful result for our practice and advocacy, nor that it is (or not) relevant to the debate, but we do need to land somewhere and people keep hovering... :) frt rgds --c.a. On 02/01/2012 11:39 AM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > Robotic stupidity compounded Carlos. > > What amazes me is the spectrum of thought on this thread... in the long > gone past (before the Patriot Act gained acceptance as a tool of > legitimate governance) there were big differences between those > "liberals" jealous of their freedoms from the state from others who are > proportionate and reasonable... and the former are missing in large > order including the "i disagree with what you say but will fight (sans > violence) for the right for you to say it"... > > on freedom of speech I do think instead of thinking like > governments/courts need more "jealous" liberals, jealous of any > imposition/restriction . . . > > Sometimes I feel that instead of being civil society, wuddenly we are > lawmakers and being "proportionate" when it is the government who should > make the case for any limitation on rights... one need only look at the > discussions on the Great Firewall of China to look askance at the > treatment this issue is receiving... which is an entirely other story... > > how about your internet bill of rights? > > On 2012/02/01 12:41 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> Robotic stupidity is inherent to the profession, it seems, particularly >> when the service is in practice militarized. >> >> During the military dictatorship in BR in the seventies, soldiers >> invaded the São Paulo university campus (I was studying there at the >> time) and found a book on hydraulic pumps ("bombas hidráulicas" in >> Portuguese) and a paper on the dynamics of underwater explosions -- both >> from the engineering course in Fluid Mechanics. The texts were >> impounded. Someone must have noticed the stupidity later on and the >> texts were never mentioned in the military courts. >> >> I continue to be amazed at the Guinness record of stupidity when the >> immigration officers went to search for the shovels the Brits ought to >> be bringing from Britain to unearth Marilyn's body. This must be a >> record. >> >> []s fraternos >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 02/01/2012 07:52 AM, Rui Correia wrote: >>> Hi Wolfgang >>> >>> Just for thought. >>> >>> A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for >>> telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a >>> volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials >>> thought >>> he was joking and did not see any humour in it. >>> >>> It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in >>> defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", >>> and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the >>> diving air compressor. >>> >>> It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the >>> linguistic >>> faux pas as a reasonable explanation. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Rui >>> >>> 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"< >>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution >>>> and >>>> part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human >>>> Rights >>>> Declaration? >>>> >>>> wolfgang >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob >>>> Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 >>>> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred >>>> from US >>>> >>>> >>>> 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT >>>> >>>> >>>> Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >>>> >>>> Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said >>>> >>>> >>>> Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two >>>> friends were >>>> refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. >>>> >>>> Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy >>>> America". >>>> >>>> He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was >>>> sent >>>> home. >>>> >>>> Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that >>>> holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or >>>> suspicion in >>>> any way". >>>> >>>> The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages >>>> ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. >>>> >>>> The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the >>>> micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep >>>> before I go and destroy America." >>>> >>>> The Irish national told the Sun newspaper< >>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-news-US-bars-friends-over-Twitter-joke.html> >>>> >>>> that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival >>>> at Los >>>> Angeles International Airport before being sent home. >>>> >>>> "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of >>>> terrorist," Mr Bryan said. >>>> >>>> "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." >>>> >>>> No joke >>>> >>>> Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said >>>> holidaymakers need >>>> to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about >>>> forthcoming >>>> trips, particularly after 9/11. >>>> >>>> Continue reading the main story< >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312#story_continues_2> >>>> >>>> "Start Quote >>>> >>>> >>>> Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it >>>> comes >>>> to potential risk" >>>> >>>> Abta >>>> >>>> "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as >>>> threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" >>>> somewhere - >>>> will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. >>>> >>>> "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for >>>> 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and >>>> ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security >>>> staff >>>> do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." >>>> >>>> In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy >>>> saying >>>> that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' >>>> Marilyn >>>> Monroe up". >>>> >>>> Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about >>>> his Twitter messages. >>>> >>>> 'Tweeter account' >>>> >>>> After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed >>>> that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming >>>> to the >>>> United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. >>>> >>>> "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy >>>> America." >>>> >>>> Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood >>>> Airport >>>> >>>> The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it >>>> tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while >>>> facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that >>>> crosses >>>> our borders every day". >>>> >>>> It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that >>>> the >>>> United States is a welcoming nation." >>>> >>>> Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In >>>> January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected >>>> Robin >>>> Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time >>>> for >>>> him to see his girlfriend. >>>> >>>> He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry >>>> offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Feb 1 13:04:30 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:04:30 -0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: <4F297EAE.7010905@cafonso.ca> Avri's questions refer to the production of the tentative list, Sala. frt rgds --c.a. On 02/01/2012 03:28 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Deal All, > > Rest assured that in good time all these questions will be answered as at > the moment, the list of nominees are not final as I am still yet to receive > it in the requisite templates. What was sent to the list was a list of > tentative nominees that the NomCom had selected. > > Michael, your nomination was supported by IT for Change > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> Good questions Avri, in the interests of disclosure/transparency... >> >> I self-nominated when the call first went around about a month ago and then >> forgot about it until yesterday when I remembered the deadline, followed up >> and very rapidly did up the required form and sent it along to the IGF and >> to Jacquie, literally at the 11th hour. >> >> M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:34 AM >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Good names all. >> >> But, >> >> What process was used? >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where are >> their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site >> anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC >> expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? >> >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. >> Did I miss that? >> >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks >> that >> even further. >> >> >> avri >> >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as >> follows: >>> . Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda >>> . Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan >>> . Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada >>> . Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >>> . Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >>> . Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >>> . Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan >>> >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their >>> information in via the required template would mean that their names >>> would not be sent. >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: Dear All, >>> >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. >>> >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had >>> completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information >>> in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential >>> candidates to submit their information in the template shown within >>> the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the >>> information submitted in required format could mean that their names >>> would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to >>> enable this information to be sent. >>> >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 13:09:11 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:09:11 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F297EAE.7010905@cafonso.ca> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F297EAE.7010905@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Dear Carlos, Yes, as mentioned in my other email, NomCom will publish its report. This Report refers to the production of the tentative list. I published the list because I was bombarded with questions by people on who made the list and hence the publication of the tentative list. Hope this provides the list with some comfort, that the details will be made known in the not too distant future. Kind Regards, On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Avri's questions refer to the production of the tentative list, Sala. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 02/01/2012 03:28 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > Deal All, > > > > Rest assured that in good time all these questions will be answered as at > > the moment, the list of nominees are not final as I am still yet to > receive > > it in the requisite templates. What was sent to the list was a list of > > tentative nominees that the NomCom had selected. > > > > Michael, your nomination was supported by IT for Change > > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:45 AM, michael gurstein > wrote: > > > >> Good questions Avri, in the interests of disclosure/transparency... > >> > >> I self-nominated when the call first went around about a month ago and > then > >> forgot about it until yesterday when I remembered the deadline, > followed up > >> and very rapidly did up the required form and sent it along to the IGF > and > >> to Jacquie, literally at the 11th hour. > >> > >> M > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > >> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:34 AM > >> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Good names all. > >> > >> But, > >> > >> What process was used? > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? Where > are > >> their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web > site > >> anywhere? Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > >> expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > >> > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in > detail. > >> Did I miss that? > >> > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks > >> that > >> even further. > >> > >> > >> avri > >> > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as > >> follows: > >>> . Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > >>> . Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > >>> . Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > >>> . Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > >>> . Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > >>> . Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > >>> . Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > >>> > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > >>> information in via the required template would mean that their names > >>> would not be sent. > >>> > >>> Kind Regards > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> wrote: Dear All, > >>> > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > >>> > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had > >>> completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information > >>> in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential > >>> candidates to submit their information in the template shown within > >>> the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the > >>> information submitted in required format could mean that their names > >>> would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to > >>> enable this information to be sent. > >>> > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aldo.matteucci at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 14:13:25 2012 From: aldo.matteucci at gmail.com (Aldo Matteucci) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:13:25 +0100 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: References: <4F280780.80607@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9B6@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4F2916E7.80707@cafonso.ca> <4F29409F.4050800@gmail.com> Message-ID: Deirdre, well, such hyped announcements need to be taken with some caution. According to Michael E. Gazzaniga (2011):* Who's in charge*, the models of the brain data currently used to interpret fMRI (pg. 195 ff.) "the coordinates of where a specific area of the brain is located are probabilistic" (it is a group average from a small sample of brains - French to boot) so going from general statements to "individual readings" is not going to happen tomorrow, or before I succumb to Alzheimer. It is regrettable that every small step forward in science is telescoped far into the hypothetical future. This probably stems from the fact that people want hope, not science.(see the hint that it may applies to comatose people "locked in". Aldo On 1 February 2012 17:41, Deirdre Williams wrote: > And judging by this > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042 we had all better > start learning to self-regulate our innermost thoughts from now. > Deirdre > > > On 1 February 2012 09:39, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > >> Robotic stupidity compounded Carlos. >> >> What amazes me is the spectrum of thought on this thread... in the long >> gone past (before the Patriot Act gained acceptance as a tool of legitimate >> governance) there were big differences between those "liberals" jealous of >> their freedoms from the state from others who are proportionate and >> reasonable... and the former are missing in large order including the "i >> disagree with what you say but will fight (sans violence) for the right for >> you to say it"... >> >> on freedom of speech I do think instead of thinking like >> governments/courts need more "jealous" liberals, jealous of any >> imposition/restriction . . . >> >> Sometimes I feel that instead of being civil society, wuddenly we are >> lawmakers and being "proportionate" when it is the government who should >> make the case for any limitation on rights... one need only look at the >> discussions on the Great Firewall of China to look askance at the treatment >> this issue is receiving... which is an entirely other story... >> >> how about your internet bill of rights? >> >> >> On 2012/02/01 12:41 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> >>> Robotic stupidity is inherent to the profession, it seems, particularly >>> when the service is in practice militarized. >>> >>> During the military dictatorship in BR in the seventies, soldiers >>> invaded the São Paulo university campus (I was studying there at the >>> time) and found a book on hydraulic pumps ("bombas hidráulicas" in >>> Portuguese) and a paper on the dynamics of underwater explosions -- both >>> from the engineering course in Fluid Mechanics. The texts were >>> impounded. Someone must have noticed the stupidity later on and the >>> texts were never mentioned in the military courts. >>> >>> I continue to be amazed at the Guinness record of stupidity when the >>> immigration officers went to search for the shovels the Brits ought to >>> be bringing from Britain to unearth Marilyn's body. This must be a >>> record. >>> >>> []s fraternos >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> On 02/01/2012 07:52 AM, Rui Correia wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Wolfgang >>>> >>>> Just for thought. >>>> >>>> A few years ago, a Brazilian teeanager was arrested leaving the US for >>>> telling customs officials that he was carrying a bomb when asked what a >>>> volume of luggage was. He was immediately arrested as the officials >>>> thought >>>> he was joking and did not see any humour in it. >>>> >>>> It turned out that he was acually speaking the **truth**, abeit in >>>> defective English. In Portuguese, "bomba" is both a "bomb" and a "pump", >>>> and the teeanager used the word "bomb" to mean "pump" to refer to the >>>> diving air compressor. >>>> >>>> It took a lot of high-level diplomacy for the US to accept the >>>> linguistic >>>> faux pas as a reasonable explanation. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Rui >>>> >>>> 2012/1/31 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"< >>>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter@**medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>>> > >>>> >>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> is "joking" protected by the first amendement of the US constitution >>>>> and >>>>> part of Article 19 (right to freedom of exression) of the UN Human >>>>> Rights >>>>> Declaration? >>>>> >>>>> wolfgang >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**__ >>>>> >>>>> Von: governance-request at lists.**igcaucus.orgim Auftrag von Riaz K Tayob >>>>> Gesendet: Di 31.01.2012 16:23 >>>>> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> Betreff: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from >>>>> US >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 31 January 2012 Last updated at 12:51 GMT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US >>>>> >>>>> Post-9/11 USA is highly cautious of any perceived threat, Abta said >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends >>>>> were >>>>> refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet. >>>>> >>>>> Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to "destroy >>>>> America". >>>>> >>>>> He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time - but was >>>>> sent >>>>> home. >>>>> >>>>> Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that >>>>> holidaymakers should never do anything to raise "concern or suspicion >>>>> in >>>>> any way". >>>>> >>>>> The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan's messages >>>>> ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles. >>>>> >>>>> The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the >>>>> micro-blogging service, saying: "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep >>>>> before I go and destroy America." >>>>> >>>>> The Irish national told the Sun newspaper< >>>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/**homepage/news/4095372/Twitter-** >>>>> news-US-bars-friends-over-**Twitter-joke.html >>>>> > >>>>> that he and his friend Emily Bunting were apprehended on arrival at >>>>> Los >>>>> Angeles International Airport before being sent home. >>>>> >>>>> "The Homeland Security agents were treating me like some kind of >>>>> terrorist," Mr Bryan said. >>>>> >>>>> "I kept saying they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet." >>>>> >>>>> No joke >>>>> >>>>> Abta, which represents travel companies in the UK, said holidaymakers >>>>> need >>>>> to learn to be ultra-cautious when it comes to talking about >>>>> forthcoming >>>>> trips, particularly after 9/11. >>>>> >>>>> Continue reading the main story< >>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/**technology-16810312#story_**continues_2 >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> "Start Quote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Airport security staff do not have a sense of humour when it >>>>> comes >>>>> to potential risk" >>>>> >>>>> Abta >>>>> >>>>> "Posting statements in a public forum which could be construed as >>>>> threatening - in this case saying they are going to "destroy" >>>>> somewhere - >>>>> will not be viewed sympathetically by US authorities," it told the BBC. >>>>> >>>>> "In the past we have seen holidaymakers stopped at airport security for >>>>> 'joking' that they have a bomb in their bag, thoroughly questioned and >>>>> ending up missing their flights, demonstrating that airport security >>>>> staff >>>>> do not have a sense of humour when it comes to potential risk." >>>>> >>>>> In another tweet, Mr Bryan made reference to comedy show Family Guy >>>>> saying >>>>> that he would be in LA in three weeks, annoying people "and diggin' >>>>> Marilyn >>>>> Monroe up". >>>>> >>>>> Mr Bryan told the newspaper that he was questioned for five hours about >>>>> his Twitter messages. >>>>> >>>>> 'Tweeter account' >>>>> >>>>> After the interview, Homeland Security's reported: "Mr Bryan confirmed >>>>> that he had posted on his Tweeter website account that he was coming >>>>> to the >>>>> United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. >>>>> >>>>> "Also on his tweeter account Mr Bryan posted he was coming to destroy >>>>> America." >>>>> >>>>> Paul Chambers was fined after posting a message about Robin Hood >>>>> Airport >>>>> >>>>> The US Customs and Border Protection agency said in a statement that it >>>>> tried to maintain a balance between "securing our borders while >>>>> facilitating the high volume of legitimate trade and travel that >>>>> crosses >>>>> our borders every day". >>>>> >>>>> It added: "We strive to achieve that balance and show the world that >>>>> the >>>>> United States is a welcoming nation." >>>>> >>>>> Mr Bryan is not the only person to suffer from a misjudged tweet. In >>>>> January 2010, Paul Chambers tweeted that he would blow snow-affected >>>>> Robin >>>>> Hood Airport in Doncaster "sky high!" if it was not reopened in time >>>>> for >>>>> him to see his girlfriend. >>>>> >>>>> He was fined £385 plus £2,600 in costs - a sum which actor Stephen Fry >>>>> offered to pay on Mr Chambers' behalf. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/**info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Aldo Matteucci 65, Pourtalèsstr. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:41:49 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] Message-ID: 2nd February, 2012 *"Without Prejudice"* Dear All, Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were furnished to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to inform the Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the final list and I would encourage you to please try again. It *may* also be useful in the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection including guidelines so that the process can be improved. The guidelines could include things like:- - considerations; - timelines for submission; etc For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them the best of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your report. The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on things that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. Kind Regards, Sala ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jacqueline Morris Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM Subject: MAG Nominees To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> The final list. Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. 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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > 2nd February, 2012 > > "Without Prejudice" > > Dear All, > > Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were furnished > to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to inform the > Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. > > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy > process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are > disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have > made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once > finalised will be published on the IGC website. > > For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection > process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the final > list and I would encourage you to please try again. It may also be useful in > the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection including > guidelines so that the process can be improved.  The guidelines could > include things like:- > > considerations; > timelines for submission; etc > > > For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them the best > of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your report. > > The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on things > that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jacqueline Morris > Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM > Subject: MAG Nominees > To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > The final list. > Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > > Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) -  Uganda > Izumi AIZU (Mr) -  Japan > Michael Gurstein (Mr)  - Canada > Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) -  Pakistan > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa Internet Governance Advisor ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:13:26 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To be precise, the deadline was 31st January 2012 which means that we were late in submitting these to UNDESA. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > A bit late to submit my submission but was delayed by long electricity > outages here in Pakistan but still submitting before the deadline. > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: > > 2nd February, 2012 > > > > "Without Prejudice" > > > > Dear All, > > > > Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were > furnished > > to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to inform > the > > Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. > > > > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy > > process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people > are > > disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have > > made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report > once > > finalised will be published on the IGC website. > > > > For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection > > process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the final > > list and I would encourage you to please try again. It may also be > useful in > > the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection > including > > guidelines so that the process can be improved. The guidelines could > > include things like:- > > > > considerations; > > timelines for submission; etc > > > > > > For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them the > best > > of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your > report. > > > > The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on > things > > that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Jacqueline Morris > > Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM > > Subject: MAG Nominees > > To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > > > > > The final list. > > Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? > > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > > > > Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > > > Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > > > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Regards. > -------------------------- > Fouad Bajwa > Internet Governance Advisor > ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher > Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) > Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) > My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ > Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa > MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Feb 1 19:31:48 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:01:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At times, like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the single point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to live up to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to practise what we preach. Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... parminder On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Good names all. > > But, > > What process was used? > Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? > Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? > Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? > > The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. > > > avri > > On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > >> Dear All, >> >> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: >> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda >> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan >> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada >> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian& European (Spain) >> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan >> >> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. >> >> Kind Regards >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. >> >> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. >> >> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 19:36:09 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:36:09 +0500 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sala, Chengetai is travelling on a mission to Beirut so I think these were to go late anyways! On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > To be precise, the deadline was 31st January 2012 which means that we were > late in submitting these to UNDESA. > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> >> A bit late to submit my submission but was delayed by long electricity >> outages here in Pakistan but still submitting before the deadline. >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >> > 2nd February, 2012 >> > >> > "Without Prejudice" >> > >> > Dear All, >> > >> > Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were >> > furnished >> > to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to inform >> > the >> > Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. >> > >> > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy >> > process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people >> > are >> > disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom >> > have >> > made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report >> > once >> > finalised will be published on the IGC website. >> > >> > For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection >> > process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the >> > final >> > list and I would encourage you to please try again. It may also be >> > useful in >> > the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection >> > including >> > guidelines so that the process can be improved.  The guidelines could >> > include things like:- >> > >> > considerations; >> > timelines for submission; etc >> > >> > >> > For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them the >> > best >> > of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your >> > report. >> > >> > The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on >> > things >> > that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. >> > >> > Kind Regards, >> > Sala >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: Jacqueline Morris >> > Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM >> > Subject: MAG Nominees >> > To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> > >> > >> > >> > The final list. >> > Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? >> > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. >> > >> > Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) -  Uganda >> > Izumi AIZU (Mr) -  Japan >> > Michael Gurstein (Mr)  - Canada >> > Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >> > Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >> > Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >> > >> > Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) -  Pakistan >> > >> > >> > Jacqueline A. Morris >> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> > >> > Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > Cell: +679 998 2851 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards. >> -------------------------- >> Fouad Bajwa >> Internet Governance Advisor >> ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher >> Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) >> Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) >> My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ >> Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa >> MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 19:41:11 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:41:11 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:31 PM, parminder wrote: > ** > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and support, > I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes must > be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe process's sake. > I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive > and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required > for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: we need to make > repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and > others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as > well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, > keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... > > This is why I have made the suggestion that we may need to develop clear guidelines. Having been said, the NomCom have also been asked to prepare a Report of their Selection Process. > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF > secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC > nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the final list in > this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the civil society space > legitimacy building and losing is a very live and dynamic process. Every > single act adds or takes away from it. At times, like for the WG on IGF > improvements, IGC has been considered the single point of CS contact and > representivity. We need to work hard to live up to such a high > responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not sure if we did in > this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > practise what we preach. > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? > > For the record, when the information was first published on the governance site through an email that was forwarded from Avri to the List, the template was attached within the message from the Under Secretary General and the guidelines were also published on the IGF site. All nominees have to exercise their own due diligence and need to ensure that care is taken to read the instructions. All those submitting nominations also need to do their due diligence. Kindly note that as co-coordinator, my involvement came after the list was forwarded to me to send but noticing that there were material deviations from the instructions from UNDESA through the UN IGF Secretariat, I asked those selected to tailor their submissions in the required template. > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > parminder > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > Hi, > > Good names all. > > But, > > What process was used? > Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? > Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? > Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? > > The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. > > > avri > > On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: > • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. > > Kind Regards > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The issue is compliance with the deadline which is something that as a list we can work towards improvement. These are all learning curbs and as long as we learn to prepare ourselves better. Kind Regards, Sala On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > Dear Sala, > > Chengetai is travelling on a mission to Beirut so I think these were > to go late anyways! > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: > > To be precise, the deadline was 31st January 2012 which means that we > were > > late in submitting these to UNDESA. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Fouad Bajwa > wrote: > >> > >> A bit late to submit my submission but was delayed by long electricity > >> outages here in Pakistan but still submitting before the deadline. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > >> wrote: > >> > 2nd February, 2012 > >> > > >> > "Without Prejudice" > >> > > >> > Dear All, > >> > > >> > Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were > >> > furnished > >> > to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to > inform > >> > the > >> > Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. > >> > > >> > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy > >> > process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people > >> > are > >> > disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom > >> > have > >> > made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their > report > >> > once > >> > finalised will be published on the IGC website. > >> > > >> > For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection > >> > process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the > >> > final > >> > list and I would encourage you to please try again. It may also be > >> > useful in > >> > the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection > >> > including > >> > guidelines so that the process can be improved. The guidelines could > >> > include things like:- > >> > > >> > considerations; > >> > timelines for submission; etc > >> > > >> > > >> > For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them the > >> > best > >> > of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your > >> > report. > >> > > >> > The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on > >> > things > >> > that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. > >> > > >> > Kind Regards, > >> > Sala > >> > > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > From: Jacqueline Morris > >> > Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM > >> > Subject: MAG Nominees > >> > To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The final list. > >> > Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? > >> > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > >> > > >> > Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > >> > Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > >> > Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > >> > Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > >> > Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > >> > Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > >> > > >> > Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > >> > > >> > > >> > Jacqueline A. Morris > >> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > >> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >> > > >> > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >> > Cell: +679 998 2851 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ____________________________________________________________ > >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> > To be removed from the list, visit: > >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: > >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards. > >> -------------------------- > >> Fouad Bajwa > >> Internet Governance Advisor > >> ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher > >> Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) > >> Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) > >> My Blog: Internet's Governance: > http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ > >> Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa > >> MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards. > -------------------------- > Fouad Bajwa > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Feb 1 20:06:37 2012 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 10:06:37 +0900 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So far, for the MAG meeting we have: Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. I will arrive late Monday. I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect MAG and CSTD meetings. Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make remote Skype participation. Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. izumi 2012/1/27 Robert Guerra : > Izumi, > > Short note to let you and the rest of the list know that I'll be in Geneva > for the MAG consultation. > > Just arranging my logistics now. I'll likely arrive on the 13th and fly out > on the 17th. > > regards > > Robert > > On 2012-01-26, at 8:55 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Sorry, I sent to the old list ;-). > > Here again, > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Izumi AIZU > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:07:20 +0900 > Subject: MAG and CSTD WG meetings > To: Governance List > Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > Dear list, > > As you may all know, there will be IGF open consultation and MAG > meeting in February, > followed by CSTD WG on IGF improvement the week after. > > MAG and open consultation meetings will be held on Feb 14-16 while > the CSTD WG (closed meeting) on Feb 20-22. > > We would like to know who are planning to participate in the MAG > consultation > meeting and then to plan some kind of "bridge" to receive inputs from these > members to be fed into CSTD WG meeting. > > The CSTD WG meeting itself is a "closed" one, and five civil society > members, > Anriette, Marilia, Wolfgang, Parminder and myself plan to participate > that meeting > (for some members, pending for travel fund). > > So, please indicate if you are planning to come to Geneva for MAG open > consultation meeting and then let'e develop the work plan. > > best, > > izumi > > > > -- > > Izumi Aizu << > > >          Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > >           Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >                                  Japan >                                 * * * * * >           << Writing the Future of the History >> >                                www.anr.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 20:10:12 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:10:12 +0500 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: True but two situations here: 1. Such processes should be attempted to be completed at least 2 days before deadlines by our committees despite the challenges are real that NomCom may have witnessed. 2. 12 Hour Deadlines are not conducive for everyone, especially for developing country regions. The electricity at my end has been returning after 3-4 hours and after half an hour of light, it is gone again. This means its a challenge to even charge my laptop and I was communicating with you over a 2 inch cell phone screen. 3. We will raise these issues that ample time should be given and holiday seasons respected, during the upcoming MAG meeting as well to allow a good amount of time with well before intimations. Best Fouad On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear Fouad, > > Yes, they are convening for the Arab IGF. The issue however is not whether > Chengetai is present to receive it. The issue is compliance with the > deadline which is something that as a list we can work towards improvement. > These are all learning curbs and as long as we learn to prepare ourselves > better. > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> >> Dear Sala, >> >> Chengetai is travelling on a mission to Beirut so I think these were >> to go late anyways! >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >> > To be precise, the deadline was 31st January 2012 which means that we >> > were >> > late in submitting these to UNDESA. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Fouad Bajwa >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> A bit late to submit my submission but was delayed by long electricity >> >> outages here in Pakistan but still submitting before the deadline. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> >> wrote: >> >> > 2nd February, 2012 >> >> > >> >> > "Without Prejudice" >> >> > >> >> > Dear All, >> >> > >> >> > Kindly note that I have submitted the list of Nominees that were >> >> > furnished >> >> > to us by NomCom. I enclose a copy of the letter that was sent to >> >> > inform >> >> > the >> >> > Hon. Under-Secretary General of the Nominees. >> >> > >> >> > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy >> >> > process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and >> >> > people >> >> > are >> >> > disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom >> >> > have >> >> > made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their >> >> > report >> >> > once >> >> > finalised will be published on the IGC website. >> >> > >> >> > For the record, the Coordinators did not interfere with the selection >> >> > process. There were some excellent candidates that did not make the >> >> > final >> >> > list and I would encourage you to please try again. It may also be >> >> > useful in >> >> > the future for the list to actively develop criteria for selection >> >> > including >> >> > guidelines so that the process can be improved.  The guidelines could >> >> > include things like:- >> >> > >> >> > considerations; >> >> > timelines for submission; etc >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > For now, I would like to congratulation the Nominees and wish them >> >> > the >> >> > best >> >> > of luck. Thank you NomCom for the work and we look forward to your >> >> > report. >> >> > >> >> > The Workspace is also open for the list to start giving feedback on >> >> > things >> >> > that the MAG should consider before their meeting this month. >> >> > >> >> > Kind Regards, >> >> > Sala >> >> > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> > From: Jacqueline Morris >> >> > Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:00 PM >> >> > Subject: MAG Nominees >> >> > To: Izumi AIZU , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The final list. >> >> > Can you forward to whomever it needs to be? >> >> > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. >> >> > >> >> > Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) -  Uganda >> >> > Izumi AIZU (Mr) -  Japan >> >> > Michael Gurstein (Mr)  - Canada >> >> > Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >> >> > Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >> >> > Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >> >> > >> >> > Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) -  Pakistan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Jacqueline A. Morris >> >> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible >> >> > and >> >> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> > >> >> > Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> >> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> >> > Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> > >> >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> > >> >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards. >> >> -------------------------- >> >> Fouad Bajwa >> >> Internet Governance Advisor >> >> ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher >> >> Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) >> >> Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) >> >> My Blog: Internet's Governance: >> >> http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ >> >> Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa >> >> MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> > >> > Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> > Cell: +679 998 2851 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards. >> -------------------------- >> Fouad Bajwa > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Wed Feb 1 20:11:31 2012 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 10:11:31 +0900 Subject: [governance] Upcoming IGF Open Consultation & MAG meeting / Shall we start the conversation.. In-Reply-To: <23B4807F-9287-4BD6-A558-0D79DBC4187F@privaterra.org> References: <23B4807F-9287-4BD6-A558-0D79DBC4187F@privaterra.org> Message-ID: I am also curious how the work of CSTD WG on IGF improvement will be (or not to be) reflected in the AZ IGF. TIme-wise, CSTD WG will finalize the report in Feb, but then it will be submitted to CSTD at their May annual session, then going to ECOSOC. So there will be little chance of being incorporated into this year's IGF, spending two years out of five. Of course, we still can hope that certain recommendations can be reflected into this year's IGF, if MAG members take them into consideration ahead of CSTD process. Just one thought, izumi 2012/2/2 Robert Guerra : > > > On 2012-02-01, at 9:38 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > > In message > , at > 19:33:13 on Wed, 1 Feb 2012, Adam Peake writes > > Think the more important questions are do we have any comment on the > > Nairobi meeting and process (what can be improved etc), and what we > > think the main themes for the year should be.  Those are the main > > issues for the meeting. > > > Indeed, bit I'm concerned we don't seem to be able to answer even the simple > and less important questions. (And also, what's happening about the MAG > nominations). > > > There was a public call for comments that concluded on the 27th of Jan. A > synthesis document will be produced ahead of the consultation. > > That being said, would be great if those on this list who sent in written > submissions could share them so we could all discuss... > > About Azerbaijan and the country's rights record, asking about any > > provisions the UN's made to ensure freedom of speech, > > participation/entry to the IGF etc might be helpful. > > > The presentation of which might depend on whether Azerbaijan is chairing the > meeting (and failing that, whether they are going to be present). > > > I take it as a given that AZ will be represented at the meeting. The > question is - will they chair the meeting ? > > Robert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 20:17:13 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 06:17:13 +0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Izumi, I can be added to the list. I am still trying to find funds for expense in Geneva as there continues to be no support for developing region participants from throughout last year to current year. The situation I have heard from elsewhere being, IGF possibly has limited funds for its operations.......funds not coming in from donors, and then the confusion everyone witnessed during the CSTD Improvements meetings. I would like to thank colleagues and friends that have helped me to raise funds, support my accommodation as well as support expenses in Geneva that enable me to continue participating in these meetings but this both is challenging, very hard and continues to raise questions as more people get confused with IGF's sustainability. I read the similar challenges have been faced by our developing country members participating in the CSTD. But still, I will fly there, figuring out the rest of the parts of the visit. -- foo On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > So far, for the MAG meeting we have: > > Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. > I will arrive late Monday. > > I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect > MAG and CSTD meetings. > > Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? > If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort > of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? > > If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make > remote Skype participation. > > Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting > around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. > > izumi > > 2012/1/27 Robert Guerra : >> Izumi, >> >> Short note to let you and the rest of the list know that I'll be in Geneva >> for the MAG consultation. >> >> Just arranging my logistics now. I'll likely arrive on the 13th and fly out >> on the 17th. >> >> regards >> >> Robert >> >> On 2012-01-26, at 8:55 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> Sorry, I sent to the old list ;-). >> >> Here again, >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Izumi AIZU >> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:07:20 +0900 >> Subject: MAG and CSTD WG meetings >> To: Governance List >> Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> Dear list, >> >> As you may all know, there will be IGF open consultation and MAG >> meeting in February, >> followed by CSTD WG on IGF improvement the week after. >> >> MAG and open consultation meetings will be held on Feb 14-16 while >> the CSTD WG (closed meeting) on Feb 20-22. >> >> We would like to know who are planning to participate in the MAG >> consultation >> meeting and then to plan some kind of "bridge" to receive inputs from these >> members to be fed into CSTD WG meeting. >> >> The CSTD WG meeting itself is a "closed" one, and five civil society >> members, >> Anriette, Marilia, Wolfgang, Parminder and myself plan to participate >> that meeting >> (for some members, pending for travel fund). >> >> So, please indicate if you are planning to come to Geneva for MAG open >> consultation meeting and then let'e develop the work plan. >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> >>          Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >>           Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>                                  Japan >>                                 * * * * * >>           << Writing the Future of the History >> >>                                www.anr.org >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > > -- >                         >> Izumi Aizu << >           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >                                   Japan >                                  * * * * * >                               www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed Feb 1 21:25:08 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 21:25:08 -0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> Izumi, On 2012-02-01, at 8:06 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > So far, for the MAG meeting we have: > > Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. > I will arrive late Monday. > I get in on Sunday. > I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect > MAG and CSTD meetings. > > Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? > If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort > of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? > My return flight departs around noon on the 17th. Thus we could meet in the morning, but we'd need to start early :) > If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make remote Skype participation. > > Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting > around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. > Meeting just before the start of the meeting on the 14th would be a good idea. Robert > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will make myself available for both of these. avri (Apologies for this, but: Private message using the IGC Bandwidth - there is someone from UNU who I have promised to let know when I was coming into Geneva again, but I have lost the email contact and most regretfully forgotten the name. But if you are on this list, feel free contact me off list.) On 1 Feb 2012, at 21:25, Robert Guerra wrote: > Izumi, > > On 2012-02-01, at 8:06 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> So far, for the MAG meeting we have: >> >> Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. >> I will arrive late Monday. >> > I get in on Sunday. > >> I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect >> MAG and CSTD meetings. >> >> Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? >> If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort >> of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? >> > > My return flight departs around noon on the 17th. Thus we could meet in the morning, but we'd need to start early :) > >> If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make remote Skype participation. >> >> Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting >> around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. >> > Meeting just before the start of the meeting on the 14th would be a good idea. > > Robert >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 21:45:47 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:45:47 +1300 Subject: [governance] Complaints on MAG Selection Message-ID: Dear All, I acknowledge that I am in receipt of complaints in relation to MAG Selection on the issue of "eligibility". Kindly note that this is a public acknowledgment that the matter is under consideration and we will revert in due course. I am currently awaiting for MAG NomCom to send me their report before any assessment and discussions commence. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nhklein at gmx.net Wed Feb 1 22:02:48 2012 From: nhklein at gmx.net (nhklein) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:02:48 +0700 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F29FCD8.90400@gmx.net> Thanks, Fouad, for raising also "technicalities" at your end. I know well that some - far away - people just cannot understand what it actually means not to have regular electricity. Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early 1994 to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I put together from what I could find on the local market: Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply US inverter 24 V DC to 110 V AC (specially imported) Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the public electricity started again Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular electricity disruptions, to understand what different economic/technological conditions can mean. Norbert Klein On 02/02/2012 08:10 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > True but two situations here: > > 1. Such processes should be attempted to be completed at least 2 days > before deadlines by our committees despite the challenges are real > that NomCom may have witnessed. > > 2. 12 Hour Deadlines are not conducive for everyone, especially for > developing country regions. The electricity at my end has been > returning after 3-4 hours and after half an hour of light, it is gone > again. This means its a challenge to even charge my laptop and I was > communicating with you over a 2 inch cell phone screen. > > 3. We will raise these issues that ample time should be given and > holiday seasons respected, during the upcoming MAG meeting as well to > allow a good amount of time with well before intimations. > > Best > > Fouad -- In April 2011, I started a new blog: ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia http://www.thinking21.org/ continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia. This is my latest posting: Council of Ministers and UN Special Expert – continued (29.1.2012) http://www.thinking21.org/?p=708 Norbert Klein nhklein at gmx.net Phnom Penh / Cambodia -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Feb 2 01:02:30 2012 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:02:30 +0900 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> Message-ID: I'll also be in Geneva. Look forward to CS discussions. Adam On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > fyi > > I arrive sunday 12th and leave Sat 18th. > I am hoping to get a few meeting in while there on various aspects of the preparations for the Baku meeting. > > Will make myself available for both of these. > > avri > > > (Apologies for this, but:  Private message using the IGC Bandwidth - there is someone from UNU who I have promised to let know when I was coming into Geneva again, but I have lost the email contact and most regretfully forgotten the name.  But if you are on this list, feel free contact me off list.) > > On 1 Feb 2012, at 21:25, Robert Guerra wrote: > >> Izumi, >> >> On 2012-02-01, at 8:06 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> So far, for the MAG meeting we have: >>> >>> Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. >>> I will arrive late Monday. >>> >> I get in on Sunday. >> >>> I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect >>> MAG and CSTD meetings. >>> >>> Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? >>> If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort >>> of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? >>> >> >> My return flight departs around noon on the 17th. Thus we could meet in the morning, but we'd need to start early :) >> >>> If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make remote Skype participation. >>> >>> Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting >>> around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. >>> >> Meeting just before the start of the meeting on the 14th would be a good idea. >> >> Robert >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu Feb 2 03:13:43 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:13:43 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> Hi On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > I'll also be in Geneva. And I live here. My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC and APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no guarantee that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving any slots for US citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be nominated anyway. On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: > I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and reporting requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the selection of MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall correctly WGIG... > Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe Izumi, maybe others…? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have been desirable…. > pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...… Sure > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit these to IGC and report them on the list. They included Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications, South Africa Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, Brazil; Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six years to no end… Best, Bill *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland william.drake at uzh.ch www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake www.williamdrake.org **************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From valeriab at apc.org Thu Feb 2 03:21:30 2012 From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 03:21:30 -0500 Subject: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Hi Bill, You are right. We presented APC's nominations to the NomCom for consideration on Jan 20th. Valeria On 02/02/2012, at 3:13, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > >> I'll also be in Geneva. > > And I live here. > > My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC and > APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no > guarantee that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving > any slots for US citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be > nominated anyway. > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: > >> I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness >> (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc >> that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and reporting > requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for > ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the > selection of MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall > correctly WGIG... > >> Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, >> encourage people to nominate themselves and others, > > There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe > Izumi, maybe others…? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have > been desirable…. > >> pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as >> well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting >> nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...… > > Sure >> >> For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to >> the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their >> nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has >> happened in the past). > > Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit > these to IGC and report them on the list. They included > > Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive > Communications, South Africa > Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan > LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, Brazil; > Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil > North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, > Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom > > Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea > how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six > years to no end… > > Best, > > Bill > > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 03:46:29 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:46:29 +0200 Subject: [governance] Acta goes too far, says MEP Message-ID: <4F2A4D65.6000801@gmail.com> Acta goes too far, says MEP Kader Arif, the lead Acta negotiator in the European Parliament, says Acta potentially cuts access to lifesaving generic drugs and restricts online freedom * Charles Arthur * guardian.co.uk , Wednesday 1 February 2012 14.39 GMT * Article history Kader Arif French MEP Kader Arif says Acta threatens online freedom and access to the use of generic versions of drugs for treating illnesses. Photograph: Lionel Bonaventure/AFP The French MEP who resigned his position in charge of negotiating the international Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (Acta) has said it "goes too far" by potentially cutting access to lifesaving generic drugs and restricting internet freedom. In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Kader Arif -- a member of the European parliament's international trade group, who was the lead negotiator over Acta -- said that despite talks over the agreement having begun in 2007, "the European parliament, which represents the rights of the people, had no access to this mandate, neither had it information of the position defended by the commission or the demands of the other parties to the agreement". Arif resigned in protest on 26 January as the EU signed the treaty, saying that he wished to "denounce in the strongest manner the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society [and] lack of transparency from the beginning". He said that it now threatens online freedom, access to the use of generic versions of drugs for treating illnesses, and could potentially mean that someone crossing a border who has a single song or film on their computer could face criminal charges. Asked what he thought European citizens should do, Mr Arif said: "Showing that there is interest and concern about this agreement is the best way of creating a real public debate, which was never possible until now because of the lack of transparency on this dossier. Especially if the timeframe is short, raising awareness of members of parliament will be crucial. And because Acta is a mixed agreement, it will have to be ratified both by the European parliament and by every member state of the union, so there is also an opportunity to organise debates at the national level." He says that it is now impossible to renegotiate the agreement because the 11 key parties to it concluded their discussions on 1 October 2011: "the European commission negotiated it on behalf of the EU, on the basis of a mandate given by the member states in 2007." That means, he says, that "at this stage one can only accept or reject the agreement -- no change of the text is possible. If the right wing of the European parliament had not imposed such a tight calendar, the members of the European parliament could have drafted an interim report, which would have put conditionalities to the ratification of the agreement, by giving recommendations to the commission and member states on how to implement it. But this is no longer a feasible option." "The title of this agreement is misleading, because it's not only about counterfeiting, it's about the violation of intellectual property rights," he told the Guardian. "There is a major difference between these two concepts." Acta has triggered public protests in a number of European and other countries , as well as online attacks by the hacking collective Anonymous. The US, EU member states, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and a number of other countries have signed it, although none has yet ratified it in national legislation. The agreement would create an international framework and set of standards for a voluntary legal regime to enforce intellectual property rights across national boundaries. Arif said one example illustrates this difference particularly well -- the case of generic medicines. "Generic medicines are not counterfeited medicines; they are not the fake version of a drug; they are a generic version of a drug, produced either because the patent on the original drug has expired, or because a country has to put in place public health policies," he said. A number of countries such as India and African nations have sought to use generic versions of drugs for infections such as HIV, which has often been resisted by pharmaceutical companies. Under Acta, Arif fears such countries would not have the same freedom to determine their own actions. "There are international agreements, such as the Trips agreement , which foresees this last possibility," he said. "They're particularly important for developing countries which cannot afford to pay for patented HIV drugs, for example. "The problem with Acta is that, by focusing on the fight against violation of intellectual property rights in general, it treats a generic drug just as a counterfeited drug. This means the patent holder can stop the shipping of the drugs to a developing country, seize the cargo and even order the destruction of the drugs as a preventive measure." He thinks that is a key flaw: "Acta also limits the flexibilities listed in the Trips agreements to support developing countries in need of generic drugs. When the question of finding the right equilibrium between protection of intellectual property rights and protection of final users is so crucial, Acta appears to be very unbalanced in favour of patent holders. This is one of the major problems with the agreement." Internet freedoms could also be under threat if Acta is ratified in its present form, he says. "The chapter on internet is particularly worrying as some experts consider it reintroduces the concept of liability of internet providers, which is clearly excluded in the European legislation." That could make ISPs, who provide internet access, liable for users' illicit file-sharing. Arif also expressed concern that there could be more intrusive checks at borders to fight counterfeiting. "I see a great risk concerning checks at borders, and the agreement foresees criminal sanctions against people using counterfeited products as a commercial activity," he said. "This is relevant for the trade of fake shoes or bags for example, but what about data downloaded from the internet? If a customs officer considers that you may set up a commercial activity just by having one movie or one song on your computer, which is true in theory, you could face criminal sanctions. "I don't want people to have their laptops or MP3 players searched at borders, there needs to be a clearer distinction between normal citizens and counterfeiters which trade fake products as a commercial activity. Acta goes too far." The text of the finalised treaty (PDF) has now been made public, and the European commission has begun to try to explain how Acta would work. It has also published a document called 10 Myths about Acta , asserting that the public was informed "since the launch of the negotiations"; that it is drafted "in very flexible terms" and that "safeguards and exceptions under EU law or under the Trips agreement remain fully preserved". It also insists that "Acta is about tackling large-scale illegal activity ... there is a provision on Acta specifically exempting travellers from checks if the infringing goods are of a non-commercial nature and not part of large-scale trafficking". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will be watching you remotely, and always appreciate a parallel Skype group for comments. Thanks everyone. Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 1 February 2012 20:36, Izumi AIZU wrote: > So far, for the MAG meeting we have: > > Avri and Robert coming to Geneva. > I will arrive late Monday. > > I was hoping to have some physical meeting to connect > MAG and CSTD meetings. > > Robert, when are you leaving Geneva on 17 th, Friday? > If you could stay till say noon or so, could we have some sort > of "wrap-up" meeting Friday? > > If so I can ask Diplo for their room and hopefully to make > remote Skype participation. > > Other than that, though it might be short, we could have a meeting > around 9 am on the 14th before the MAG meeting opens. > > izumi > > 2012/1/27 Robert Guerra : > > Izumi, > > > > Short note to let you and the rest of the list know that I'll be in > Geneva > > for the MAG consultation. > > > > Just arranging my logistics now. I'll likely arrive on the 13th and fly > out > > on the 17th. > > > > regards > > > > Robert > > > > On 2012-01-26, at 8:55 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > > > Sorry, I sent to the old list ;-). > > > > Here again, > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Izumi AIZU > > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:07:20 +0900 > > Subject: MAG and CSTD WG meetings > > To: Governance List > > Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> > > > > Dear list, > > > > As you may all know, there will be IGF open consultation and MAG > > meeting in February, > > followed by CSTD WG on IGF improvement the week after. > > > > MAG and open consultation meetings will be held on Feb 14-16 while > > the CSTD WG (closed meeting) on Feb 20-22. > > > > We would like to know who are planning to participate in the MAG > > consultation > > meeting and then to plan some kind of "bridge" to receive inputs from > these > > members to be fed into CSTD WG meeting. > > > > The CSTD WG meeting itself is a "closed" one, and five civil society > > members, > > Anriette, Marilia, Wolfgang, Parminder and myself plan to participate > > that meeting > > (for some members, pending for travel fund). > > > > So, please indicate if you are planning to come to Geneva for MAG open > > consultation meeting and then let'e develop the work plan. > > > > best, > > > > izumi > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Izumi Aizu << > > > > > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > > Japan > > * * * * * > > << Writing the Future of the History >> > > www.anr.org > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > www.anr.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Thu Feb 2 06:45:01 2012 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:45:01 -0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: <4F29FCD8.90400@gmx.net> References: <4F29FCD8.90400@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4F2A773D.6010003@cafonso.ca> I had the privilege to visit our dear compa Norbert in Phnom Penh around that time and testify to the incredible magic he managed to make with those disparate electrical parts to keep the system alive. fraternal regards --c.a. On 02/02/2012 01:02 AM, nhklein wrote: > Thanks, Fouad, > > for raising also "technicalities" at your end. I know well that some - > far away - people just cannot understand what it actually means not to > have regular electricity. > > Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early > 1994 to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I > put together from what I could find on the local market: > > Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery > Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply > US inverter 24 V DC to 110 V AC (specially imported) > Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC > home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the > public electricity started again > > Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular > electricity disruptions, to understand what different > economic/technological conditions can mean. > > > Norbert Klein > > > > On 02/02/2012 08:10 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> True but two situations here: >> >> 1. Such processes should be attempted to be completed at least 2 days >> before deadlines by our committees despite the challenges are real >> that NomCom may have witnessed. >> >> 2. 12 Hour Deadlines are not conducive for everyone, especially for >> developing country regions. The electricity at my end has been >> returning after 3-4 hours and after half an hour of light, it is gone >> again. This means its a challenge to even charge my laptop and I was >> communicating with you over a 2 inch cell phone screen. >> >> 3. We will raise these issues that ample time should be given and >> holiday seasons respected, during the upcoming MAG meeting as well to >> allow a good amount of time with well before intimations. >> >> Best >> >> Fouad > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Thu Feb 2 08:27:21 2012 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:27:21 +0100 Subject: [governance] Agenda Africa IP Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sangeeta, and all interested colleagues in this summit, It's quite clear that this summit is massive propaganda and lies by a cartel of predators. While there are very few possibilities to influence this juggernaut agenda, it's certainly worth spreading solid information to stimulate the perception by the participants and the media of the delusions instilled by the cartel. Therefore a letter to the summit organizers is certainly a proper initiative. Presumably they are not going to be much impressed, although they could reply with some lip service. Actually, the real target is African people. They need hearing and reading other visions than the cartel spin. But is there adequate material for that purpose ? For a readership not necessarily well seasoned in internet and intellectual property, a text should be short, easily readable, and explicit on messages to be conveyed. The proposed letter does not seem to be well targeted to a large readership. It could be recomposed in 1/3 of the words and carry the same messages in shorter sentences. A preliminary useful step would be to write down in one line each essential message that should not be missed. Cheers - - - On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:58, Sangeeta Shashikant wrote: > Dear All, > > Attached is a draft agenda of the Summit. It is an updated version of > what is available on the US government site. > It is a pretty twisted agenda on IP. > > If you are interested to protest against this Summit, pls do sign onto the > letter we have drafted to WIPO. See below > > Sangeeta > Third World Network > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear All, > > The US government is planning to hold in April an Africa IP Summit in > partnership with Japan, France, and WIPO. South Africa is hosting this > meeting. The private sector (ICC, BASCAP,Pfizer, Eli Lily et al) is > sponsoring this meeting. > > The main focus of this Summit is enhanced IP protection and > enforcement particularly on counterfeiting and piracy. Clearly this is > a platform for US, Japan France to promote the TRIPS plus plus agendas > seen in ACTA, TPPA, EPA etc, and this Summit will be promoting more > anti-counterfeiting bills in Africa. Many of these provisions are > likely to have a problematic impact on access to medicines. > > If you are interested in more details see the US government site > http://www.cldp.doc.gov/programs/Africa-intellectual-property-forum. > The Commercial Law Department Programme of the US department of > commerce is organising this summit. > > We think it is important to raise some concern over this event. So we > have drafted 2 letters. One addressed to the World Intellectual > Property Organisation WIPO (see below).We have also drafted similar > letter > to South Africa missions in Geneva. > > If you are interested to sign on to these letters, pls send me the > name of your organisation and contact details to > sangeeta at twnetwork.org or ssangeeta at myjaring.net > by Friday, 3rd February. > > Regards > Sangeeta Shashikant > Third World Network > www.twnside.org.sg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nne75 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 2 08:49:57 2012 From: nne75 at yahoo.com (Nnenna) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:49:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] Agenda Africa IP Summit - 5th Africa Conference on FOSS and the Digital Commons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1328190597.15776.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi people I would rather reserve my comments on the IP summit for now.  But suffice it to say that since South Africa adopted an Open Standards/Open Source policy, there has been a renewed effort on the opposite direction.   Let me use this opportunity to inform of the effective holding of the 5th African Conference on FOSS and the Digital Commons - http://www.idlelo.net Kindly support in whichever way you can. Best regards Nnenna Nnenna  Nwakanma |  Founder and CEO, NNENNA.ORG  |  Consultants Information | Communications | Technology and Events | for Development Cote d'Ivoire (+225)| Tel: 225 27144 | Fax  224 26471 |Mob. 07416820 Ghana: +233 249561345| Nigeria: +234 8101887065| http://www.nnenna.org nnenna at nnenna.org| @nnenna | Skype - nnenna75 | nnennaorg.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Louis Pouzin (well) To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Sangeeta Shashikant Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: [governance] Agenda Africa IP Summit Hi Sangeeta, and all interested colleagues in this summit, It's quite clear that this summit is massive propaganda and lies by a cartel of predators. While there are very few possibilities to influence this juggernaut agenda, it's certainly worth spreading solid information to stimulate the perception by the participants and the media of the delusions instilled by the cartel. Therefore a letter to the summit organizers is certainly a proper initiative. Presumably they are not going to be much impressed, although they could reply with some lip service. Actually, the real target is African people. They need hearing and reading other visions than the cartel spin. But is there adequate material for that purpose ? For a readership not necessarily well seasoned in internet and intellectual property, a text should be short, easily readable, and explicit on messages to be conveyed. The proposed letter does not seem to be well targeted to a large readership. It could be recomposed in 1/3 of the words and carry the same messages in shorter sentences. A preliminary useful step would be to write down in one line each essential message that should not be missed. Cheers - - - On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:58, Sangeeta Shashikant wrote: Dear All,  > >Attached is a draft agenda of the Summit. It is an updated version  of what is available on the US government site.  >It is a pretty twisted agenda on IP.  > > >If you are interested to protest against this Summit, pls do sign onto the letter we have drafted to WIPO. See below > >Sangeeta >Third World Network >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dear All, > > >The US government is planning to hold in April an Africa IP Summit in >partnership with Japan, France, and WIPO. South Africa is hosting this >meeting. The private sector (ICC, BASCAP,Pfizer, Eli Lily et al) is >sponsoring this meeting. > > >The main focus of this Summit is enhanced IP protection and >enforcement particularly on counterfeiting and piracy. Clearly this is >a platform for US, Japan France to promote the TRIPS plus plus agendas >seen in ACTA, TPPA, EPA etc, and this Summit will be promoting more >anti-counterfeiting bills in Africa. Many of these provisions are >likely to have a problematic impact on access to medicines. > > > If you are interested in more details see the US government site >http://www.cldp.doc.gov/programs/Africa-intellectual-property-forum. >The Commercial Law Department Programme of the US department of >commerce is organising this summit. > > >We think it is important to raise some concern over this event. So we >have drafted 2 letters. One addressed to the World Intellectual >Property Organisation WIPO (see below).We have also drafted similar letter >to South Africa missions in Geneva.  > >If you are interested to sign on to these letters, pls send me the >name of your organisation and contact details to >sangeeta at twnetwork.org or ssangeeta at myjaring.net >by Friday, 3rd February. > > >Regards >Sangeeta Shashikant >Third World Network >www.twnside.org.sg > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 09:47:54 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:47:54 +0500 Subject: [governance] MAG Nominees [Message to List from Co-Coordinator] In-Reply-To: <4F29FCD8.90400@gmx.net> References: <4F29FCD8.90400@gmx.net> Message-ID: Hi Norbort, yes the issues are complex. The prices of such devices especially when the economy is totally in the dirt makes it really hard to manage the kitchen and invest in such solutions. Lets hope for the best. They also shot up the oil prices last night and things are just beyond control......we are an immature democracy but the governance doesn't seem to get its act straight even after completing almost 4 years of government. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:02 AM, nhklein wrote: > Thanks, Fouad, > > for raising also "technicalities" at your end. I know well that some - far > away - people just cannot understand what it actually means not to have > regular electricity. > > Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early 1994 > to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I put > together from what I could find on the local market: > > Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery > Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply > US inverter 24 V DC to 110 V AC (specially imported) > Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC > home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the > public electricity started again > > Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular > electricity disruptions, to understand what different economic/technological > conditions can mean. > > > Norbert Klein > > > > > On 02/02/2012 08:10 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> >> True but two situations here: >> >> 1. Such processes should be attempted to be completed at least 2 days >> before deadlines by our committees despite the challenges are real >> that NomCom may have witnessed. >> >> 2. 12 Hour Deadlines are not conducive for everyone, especially for >> developing country regions. The electricity at my end has been >> returning after 3-4 hours and after half an hour of light, it is gone >> again. This means its a challenge to even charge my laptop and I was >> communicating with you over a 2 inch cell phone screen. >> >> 3. We will raise these issues that ample time should be given and >> holiday seasons respected, during the upcoming MAG meeting as well to >> allow a good amount of time with well before intimations. >> >> Best >> >> Fouad > > > -- > In April 2011, I started a new blog: > > ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia > http://www.thinking21.org/ > > continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia. > This is my latest posting: > > Council of Ministers and UN Special Expert – continued (29.1.2012) > http://www.thinking21.org/?p=708 > > > Norbert Klein > nhklein at gmx.net > Phnom Penh / Cambodia > > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 12:11:35 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:11:35 +0200 Subject: [governance] Public Knowledge's Special 301 petition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F2AC3C7.9010108@gmail.com> All: I thought you might be interested in a call to action Public Knowledge issued today. We are asking people to sign a petition asking the USTR not to blindly do big content's bidding in its Special 301 process. Here is a link to the call to action: http://www.publicknowledge.org/act-now. Here is my blog post providing some background: http://www.publicknowledge.org/blog/tell-ustr-not-do-big-content%E2%80%99s-bidding Please feel free to circulate widely. Rashmi Rangnath Director, Global Knowledge Initiative Public Knowledge -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu Feb 2 12:33:19 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:33:19 +0000 Subject: [governance] Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 16:34:18 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, jonathan writes >Wouldn't it be odd if the intepretation of a tweet were somehow linked >to the nationality, ethnicity, religion, wealth, etc. of the tweeter? I'd argue that the interpretation strongly depends on the profile of the tweeter. Here's a story from ten years ago with an American President (who can hardly fail to be surrounded by advisers) using a word that's highly offensive elsewhere: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jan/09/usa.matthewengel Whereas the earlier quoted "I could murder an Indian" is accepted in the UK as quite complimentary to their cuisine. Meanwhile, numerous Brits choked on their breakfast earlier this week: -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 12:45:46 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 06:45:46 +1300 Subject: [governance] Access Challenges: Internet Governance Message-ID: Dear All, Fouad and Norbert raised an often overlooked and important issue in relation to challenges with Access to the Internet. Over the years we have seen countries around the world offering broadband stimulus in their respective countries, refine policies etc to address the issue of the demand. In the developing world or emerging markets, there are interesting challenges that beset these countries. When natural disasters happen such as the tsunami in American Samoa, the local telcos were not able to handle the volume of calls in and out etc. There was some access to the internet that allowed the world to know of their plight. Similarly when Haiti was beset by the earthquake, it destroyed infrastructure as well. Considering the recent tsunami in Japan and how it cost them $300billion in damages. Thing of developed countries that face similar devastation. There are many countries that struggle with energy grid and we know that to have proper infrastructure one needs energy to drive this aside from transportation. In a country in the Pacific where not too long ago they had just discovered people where mortality rates were extremely low etc. Cutting roads through some of the terrain in PNG is challenging and most Telcos build by transporting equipment through helicopters etc. The additional challenges are land conflicts which can retard development. Whilst Governments are addressing this through policies, it remains a challenge. As the bandwidth consumption is forecasted to grow and clear product lines from Vendors will evolve to be more efficient, developing countries face another challenge being on the receiving end of inefficient products thus perpetuating the cycle of inefficiency. Whilst there are standards and trade laws in place, affordability is a critical issue. Another challenge is preparing ISP Networks to transition to IPv6 and it is good to see how some European countries have encouraged IPv6 Transition through procument policies etc. The IGF has and continues to be an excellent model in sharing lessons and experiences and it is always great to see how countries grow their broadband networks, the types of stimuli that they offered, the mistakes that they made. -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Naughty Wordsworth :-) Deirdre On 2 February 2012 13:33, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , > at 16:34:18 on Tue, 31 Jan 2012, jonathan > writes > >Wouldn't it be odd if the intepretation of a tweet were somehow linked > >to the nationality, ethnicity, religion, wealth, etc. of the tweeter? > > I'd argue that the interpretation strongly depends on the profile of the > tweeter. Here's a story from ten years ago with an American President > (who can hardly fail to be surrounded by advisers) using a word that's > highly offensive elsewhere: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jan/09/usa.matthewengel > > Whereas the earlier quoted "I could murder an Indian" is accepted in the > UK as quite complimentary to their cuisine. > > Meanwhile, numerous Brits choked on their breakfast earlier this week: > > reakfast_tv> > -- > Roland Perry > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Thu Feb 2 14:00:34 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:00:34 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9DB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi just to add one point: In ICANNs NomCom we made a difference between citizenship and residence and it was up to the candidate to select whether he wanted to be treated on citizenship or residence. In the Case of Bill Drake - I strongly support his nomination - I think he should be treated as European. He lives in Europe since more than ten years. He was a member of the Board of EURALO. He was invited as a European expert by the Council of Europe and he teaches at the University of Zürich and in the European Summer School on Internet Governnace. Best wishes wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Valeria Betancourt Gesendet: Do 02.02.2012 09:21 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: Re: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings Hi Bill, You are right. We presented APC's nominations to the NomCom for consideration on Jan 20th. Valeria On 02/02/2012, at 3:13, William Drake wrote: Hi On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: I'll also be in Geneva. And I live here. My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC and APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no guarantee that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving any slots for US citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be nominated anyway. On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and reporting requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the selection of MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall correctly WGIG... Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe Izumi, maybe others...? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have been desirable.... pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... Sure For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit these to IGC and report them on the list. They included Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications, South Africa Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, Brazil; Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six years to no end... Best, Bill *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland william.drake at uzh.ch www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake www.williamdrake.org **************************************************** ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Thu Feb 2 14:18:47 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:18:47 -0500 Subject: AW: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9DB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9DB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <618E2154-2176-4496-A84B-695F7DDF0DF6@privaterra.org> Wolfgang, A question that first needs to be answered is what regional system will be used to select MAG members. The Western European and Others Group (WEOG) is one of several unofficial Regional Groups in the United Nations that act as voting blocs and negotiation forums. It's been used in the past, and my guess is that it might be the system taken into consideration in the MAG selection process. ref - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_and_Others_Group I would hope that gender and region of origin aren't the only selection factors. Hopefully language skills, IGF experience, and multi-stakeholder support (if any) are also taken into consideration. The even larger question at this point is - when will the new MAG members be announced. Will we know in advance of the consultation in Feb, or will that decision come afterwards.. -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2012-02-02, at 2:00 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > Hi > > just to add one point: > > In ICANNs NomCom we made a difference between citizenship and residence and it was up to the candidate to select whether he wanted to be treated on citizenship or residence. > > In the Case of Bill Drake - I strongly support his nomination - I think he should be treated as European. He lives in Europe since more than ten years. He was a member of the Board of EURALO. He was invited as a European expert by the Council of Europe and he teaches at the University of Zürich and in the European Summer School on Internet Governnace. > > Best wishes > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Valeria Betancourt > Gesendet: Do 02.02.2012 09:21 > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings > > > Hi Bill, > > You are right. We presented APC's nominations to the NomCom for consideration on Jan 20th. > > Valeria > > > On 02/02/2012, at 3:13, William Drake wrote: > > > Hi > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > > > I'll also be in Geneva. > > > > And I live here. > > My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC and APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no guarantee that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving any slots for US citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be nominated anyway. > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: > > > I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > > I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and reporting requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the selection of MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall correctly WGIG... > > > Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, > > > There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe Izumi, maybe others...? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have been desirable.... > > > pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... > > > Sure > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). > > > Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit these to IGC and report them on the list. They included > > Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications, South Africa > Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan > LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, Brazil; Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil > North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom > > Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six years to no end... > > Best, > > Bill > > > > > > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow & Lecturer > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:50:37 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:50:37 +1300 Subject: [governance] Re: Access Challenges: Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, These are excerpts from another thread that is related to *Access*. " *I know well that some - far away - people just cannot understand what it actually means not to have regular electricity. Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early 1994 to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I put together from what I could find on the local market: Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply * *US inverter 24 V **DC to 110 V AC (specially imported)* * Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the public electricity started again Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular electricity disruptions, to understand what different economic/technological conditions can mean." Norbert Klein* *"I had the privilege to visit our dear compa Norbert in Phnom Penh around that time and testify to the incredible magic he managed to make with those disparate electrical parts to keep the system alive."* * * *Carlos Afonso* * * *yes the issues are complex. The prices of such devices especially when the economy is totally in the dirt makes it really hard to manage the kitchen and invest in such solutions. Lets hope for the best. They also shot up the oil prices last night and things are just beyond control......we are an immature democracy but the governance doesn't seem to get its act straight even after completing almost 4 years of government.* * * *Fouad Bajwa* On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Fouad and Norbert raised an often overlooked and important issue in > relation to challenges with Access to the Internet. Over the years we have > seen countries around the world offering broadband stimulus in their > respective countries, refine policies etc to address the issue of the > demand. > > In the developing world or emerging markets, there are interesting > challenges that beset these countries. When natural disasters happen such > as the tsunami in American Samoa, the local telcos were not able to handle > the volume of calls in and out etc. There was some access to the internet > that allowed the world to know of their plight. Similarly when Haiti was > beset by the earthquake, it destroyed infrastructure as well. Considering > the recent tsunami in Japan and how it cost them $300billion in damages. > Thing of developed countries that face similar devastation. > > There are many countries that struggle with energy grid and we know that > to have proper infrastructure one needs energy to drive this aside from > transportation. In a country in the Pacific where not too long ago they had > just discovered people where mortality rates were extremely low etc. > Cutting roads through some of the terrain in PNG is challenging and most > Telcos build by transporting equipment through helicopters etc. The > additional challenges are land conflicts which can retard development. > Whilst Governments are addressing this through policies, it remains a > challenge. > > As the bandwidth consumption is forecasted to grow and clear product lines > from Vendors will evolve to be more efficient, developing countries face > another challenge being on the receiving end of inefficient products thus > perpetuating the cycle of inefficiency. Whilst there are standards and > trade laws in place, affordability is a critical issue. > > Another challenge is preparing ISP Networks to transition to IPv6 and it > is good to see how some European countries have encouraged IPv6 Transition > through procument policies etc. > > The IGF has and continues to be an excellent model in sharing lessons and > experiences and it is always great to see how countries grow their > broadband networks, the types of stimuli that they offered, the mistakes > that they made. > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 17:25:04 2012 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 18:25:04 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: Access Challenges: Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of the issues with these problems would seem to be the inability of some (perhaps many) people in the developed world to comprehend the challenge. Here in Saint Lucia I must say we seem to be fairly lucky, although the weather can change that situation rather rapidly. However I particularly remember a message on the GKD list, several years ago now, posted by an ecstatically happy person who had managed to rig up a generator powered by a stationary bicycle (someone had to pedal it of course) and so run a computer for the village. A reply came almost immediately from someone - I think in the United States, but certainly in the economic 'North' - who deplored the demeaning and unnecessary use of human labour and proposed an alternative like solar cells. In the 'South' we learn to manage with what we have. There is an almost unbridgeable comprehension gap - a perspective/perception divide - between those who can take things (like an electricity supply) for granted and those who can't. Certainly this is an area which could be given a little more attention. Deirdre On 2 February 2012 17:50, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > > These are excerpts from another thread that is related to *Access*. > > > > " *I know well that some - far away - people just cannot understand what > it actually means not to have regular electricity. > > Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early > 1994 to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I > put together from what I could find on the local market: > > Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery > Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply > * > > *US inverter 24 V **DC to 110 V AC (specially imported)* > > * Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC > home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the > public electricity started again > > Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular > electricity disruptions, to understand what different > economic/technological conditions can mean." > > > Norbert Klein* > > > > *"I had the privilege to visit our dear compa Norbert in Phnom Penh around > that time and testify to the incredible magic he managed to make with > those disparate electrical parts to keep the system alive."* > > * > * > > *Carlos Afonso* > > * * > > *yes the issues are complex. The prices of such devices especially when > the economy is totally in the dirt makes it really hard to manage the > kitchen and invest in such solutions. Lets hope for the best. They > also shot up the oil prices last night and things are just beyond > control......we are an immature democracy but the governance doesn't > seem to get its act straight even after completing almost 4 years of > government.* > > * > * > > *Fouad Bajwa* > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Fouad and Norbert raised an often overlooked and important issue in >> relation to challenges with Access to the Internet. Over the years we have >> seen countries around the world offering broadband stimulus in their >> respective countries, refine policies etc to address the issue of the >> demand. >> >> In the developing world or emerging markets, there are interesting >> challenges that beset these countries. When natural disasters happen such >> as the tsunami in American Samoa, the local telcos were not able to handle >> the volume of calls in and out etc. There was some access to the internet >> that allowed the world to know of their plight. Similarly when Haiti was >> beset by the earthquake, it destroyed infrastructure as well. Considering >> the recent tsunami in Japan and how it cost them $300billion in damages. >> Thing of developed countries that face similar devastation. >> >> There are many countries that struggle with energy grid and we know that >> to have proper infrastructure one needs energy to drive this aside from >> transportation. In a country in the Pacific where not too long ago they had >> just discovered people where mortality rates were extremely low etc. >> Cutting roads through some of the terrain in PNG is challenging and most >> Telcos build by transporting equipment through helicopters etc. The >> additional challenges are land conflicts which can retard development. >> Whilst Governments are addressing this through policies, it remains a >> challenge. >> >> As the bandwidth consumption is forecasted to grow and clear product >> lines from Vendors will evolve to be more efficient, developing countries >> face another challenge being on the receiving end of inefficient products >> thus perpetuating the cycle of inefficiency. Whilst there are standards and >> trade laws in place, affordability is a critical issue. >> >> Another challenge is preparing ISP Networks to transition to IPv6 and it >> is good to see how some European countries have encouraged IPv6 Transition >> through procument policies etc. >> >> The IGF has and continues to be an excellent model in sharing lessons >> and experiences and it is always great to see how countries grow their >> broadband networks, the types of stimuli that they offered, the mistakes >> that they made. >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri Feb 3 06:17:54 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:17:54 +0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> Dear Parminder and all On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. Yes.. congrats to all. > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. Yes, so do I. > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > developments, ...... > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the > past). Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any acknowledgement. One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make the MAG. The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). Carlos Afonso (Brazil) Magaly Pazello (Brazil) Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. Anriette Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At times, > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the single > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to live up > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > practise what we preach. > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > parminder > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Good names all. >> >> But, >> >> What process was used? >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? >> >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? >> >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. >> >> >> avri >> >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan >>> >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. >>> >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. >>> >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 07:42:02 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:42:02 -0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> Message-ID: Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they are producing. As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a crucial moment. It is very important that they are supported by the community and that they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that the parameters for selection need to be made clear. The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG about it. The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. Marília * * *B.II – MAG* *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG meetings transparent * *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work. - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair representation *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a transparent and documented fashion* *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each stakeholder group* - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their selection process and should identify the process that works best for their own culture and methods of engagement - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated through any one particular body. - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to ensure appropriate gender balance - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups. The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF website. - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid confusion with existing systems in other organizations. - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the different regions and constituencies. Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. Open and transparent selection process and working process *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * Requirements for MAG members: Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or constituencies’ interest and not private interests. Selected members should present: - Proven ability to work as a team member - Active participation in the IGF process - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if possible, to other stakeholder groups - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues Responsibilities of MAG members: - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly global meeting; - Participate in inter-sessional work; - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; - Bring in comments from the community; - Explain recommendations to the community. - Willingness to commit to work and follow through Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do not participate) - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues of concern; - Selecting workshops and other meetings; - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated thematic working groups; - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; - Facilitating the organization of workshops; - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers at the annual meeting; - Liaising with their respective communities; -Publishing reports. - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with secretariat Miscellaneous: - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF improvements. - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and responsibilities - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a single event but rather having evolved into a process. - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the process On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Parminder and all > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. > > Yes, so do I. > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > developments, ...... > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the > > past). > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any acknowledgement. > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make the MAG. > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > Anriette > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At times, > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the single > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to live up > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > > practise what we preach. > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use > > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > > parminder > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Good names all. > >> > >> But, > >> > >> What process was used? > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted > on the web site anywhere? > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > >> > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in > detail. Did I miss that? > >> > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks > that even further. > >> > >> > >> avri > >> > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as > follows: > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > >>> > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > information in via the required template would mean that their names would > not be sent. > >>> > >>> Kind Regards > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > >>> > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had > completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in > the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates > to submit their information in the template shown within the email. > Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information > submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put > forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this > information to be sent. > >>> > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 07:54:12 2012 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:24:12 -0430 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Marilia! I think this offers great possibilities for improving the work of the MAG and the credibility of the selection process. I would like to see the IGC further involved in this discussion. Please keep us updated, and suggest ways we can support this process. Also, how can we as CS now work to support the CS nominees in a way that does not 'spam' the IGF secretariat? Is there a mechanism at this point? Thanks! Warm wishes, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 3 February 2012 08:12, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they > are producing. > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a strengthened > IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be invited to find > concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the suggestions for > improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say that, in my view, > the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a crucial moment. > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that the > parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not only > as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these topics > could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would be walking > the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am sure that this > topic is a concern of the community, and it would be great to have feedback > about what is being discussed in the WG about it. The report will probably > be structured with broad agreements as "headlines", further detailed on > more specific proposals. > > Marília > > * > * > > *B.II – MAG* > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG > meetings transparent * > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work. > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair > representation > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a > transparent and documented fashion* > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > stakeholder group* > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their > selection process and should identify the process that works best for their > own culture and methods of engagement > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated > through any one particular body. > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to provide > some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to ensure > appropriate gender balance > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried out > by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups. > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF website. > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid confusion > with existing systems in other organizations. > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the > different regions and constituencies. > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the wide > range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > Selected members should present: > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if possible, > to other stakeholder groups > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly > global meeting; > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do not > participate) > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues of > concern; > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated > thematic working groups; > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers > at the annual meeting; > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > -Publishing reports. > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with > secretariat > > > > Miscellaneous: > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > improvements. > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > responsibilities > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the process > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Dear Parminder and all >> >> On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: >> > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. >> >> Yes.. congrats to all. >> > >> > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and >> > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. >> >> Yes, so do I. >> >> > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes >> > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe >> > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of >> > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort >> > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: >> > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to >> > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the >> > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS >> > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all >> > developments, ...... >> > >> > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the >> > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees >> > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the >> > past). >> >> Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as >> we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that >> the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any acknowledgement. >> >> One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy >> to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' >> member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for >> development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make the >> MAG. >> >> The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). >> >> Carlos Afonso (Brazil) >> Magaly Pazello (Brazil) >> Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) >> Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) >> David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) >> >> We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> >> Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the >> > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the >> > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and >> > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At times, >> > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the single >> > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to live up >> > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not >> > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. >> > >> > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been >> > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad >> > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to >> > practise what we preach. >> > >> > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use >> > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format >> > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information >> > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? >> > >> > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... >> > parminder >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Good names all. >> >> >> >> But, >> >> >> >> What process was used? >> >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? >> >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted >> on the web site anywhere? >> >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC >> expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? >> >> >> >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in >> detail. Did I miss that? >> >> >> >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best >> >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection >> risks that even further. >> >> >> >> >> >> avri >> >> >> >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear All, >> >>> >> >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are >> as follows: >> >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda >> >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan >> >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada >> >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >> >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >> >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >> >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan >> >>> >> >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their >> information in via the required template would mean that their names would >> not be sent. >> >>> >> >>> Kind Regards >> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >> >>> >> >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. >> >>> >> >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had >> completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in >> the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates >> to submit their information in the template shown within the email. >> Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information >> submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put >> forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this >> information to be sent. >> >>> >> >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >>> >> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >>> >> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>> >> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>> >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> executive director, association for progressive communications >> www.apc.org >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 07:58:45 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:58:45 -0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: <618E2154-2176-4496-A84B-695F7DDF0DF6@privaterra.org> References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9DB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <618E2154-2176-4496-A84B-695F7DDF0DF6@privaterra.org> Message-ID: Hi Robert and all, I raised the discussion about what is being currently debated in the WG on IGF improvements regarding MAG. I probably should have responded to this thread here, but it is under "selection of MAG-urgent". You raised important points regarding the criteria of selection, Robert. I believe that "experience on IG issues" and "active participation in the IGF" are covered there, but I am not sure what you mean by multistakeholder support. We are considering so far that MAG candidates should have "Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if possible, to other stakeholder groups". Not sure if this covers what you pointed out. Marília On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: > Wolfgang, > > A question that first needs to be answered is what regional system will be > used to select MAG members. > > The Western European and Others Group (WEOG) is one of several unofficial > Regional Groups in the United Nations that act as voting blocs and > negotiation forums. It's been used in the past, and my guess is that it > might be the system taken into consideration in the MAG selection process. > > ref - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_and_Others_Group > > I would hope that gender and region of origin aren't the only selection > factors. Hopefully language skills, IGF experience, and multi-stakeholder > support (if any) are also taken into consideration. > > The even larger question at this point is - when will the new MAG members > be announced. Will we know in advance of the consultation in Feb, or will > that decision come afterwards.. > > > > > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On 2012-02-02, at 2:00 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > > > Hi > > > > just to add one point: > > > > In ICANNs NomCom we made a difference between citizenship and residence > and it was up to the candidate to select whether he wanted to be treated on > citizenship or residence. > > > > In the Case of Bill Drake - I strongly support his nomination - I think > he should be treated as European. He lives in Europe since more than ten > years. He was a member of the Board of EURALO. He was invited as a European > expert by the Council of Europe and he teaches at the University of Zürich > and in the European Summer School on Internet Governnace. > > > > Best wishes > > > > wolfgang > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Valeria > Betancourt > > Gesendet: Do 02.02.2012 09:21 > > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Betreff: Re: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > You are right. We presented APC's nominations to the NomCom for > consideration on Jan 20th. > > > > Valeria > > > > > > On 02/02/2012, at 3:13, William Drake wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > > > > > > I'll also be in Geneva. > > > > > > > > And I live here. > > > > My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC > and APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no guarantee > that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving any slots for US > citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be nominated anyway. > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: > > > > > > I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > > > > > I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and > reporting requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for > ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the selection of > MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall correctly WGIG... > > > > > > Things like: we need to make repeated calls for > nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, > > > > > > There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe > Izumi, maybe others...? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have been > desirable.... > > > > > > pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom > members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting > nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... > > > > > > Sure > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of > names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their > nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in > the past). > > > > > > Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit > these to IGC and report them on the list. They included > > > > Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive > Communications, South Africa > > Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan > > LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, > Brazil; Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil > > North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, > Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom > > > > Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea > how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six years to > no end... > > > > Best, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************** > > William J. Drake > > International Fellow & Lecturer > > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > > University of Zurich, Switzerland > > william.drake at uzh.ch > > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > > www.williamdrake.org > > **************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri Feb 3 08:01:55 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:01:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> Message-ID: <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> Dear Marilia Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating the technical community and the academic community as two distinct stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives. Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and academic' category developed... But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this. If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups represented in the MAG: Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society) Academic community Technical community Business This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view. Anriette On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they > are producing. > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a > crucial moment. > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that > the parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG about it. > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. > > Marília > > * > * > > *B.II – MAG* > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG > meetings transparent * > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work. > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair > representation > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a > transparent and documented fashion * > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > stakeholder group* > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their > selection process and should identify the process that works best for > their own culture and methods of engagement > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated > through any one particular body. > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to > ensure appropriate gender balance > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups. > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF website. > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid > confusion with existing systems in other organizations. > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the > different regions and constituencies. > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > Selected members should present: > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if > possible, to other stakeholder groups > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly > global meeting; > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do > not participate) > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues > of concern; > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated > thematic working groups; > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers > at the annual meeting; > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > -Publishing reports. > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with > secretariat > > > > Miscellaneous: > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > improvements. > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > responsibilities > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the process > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear Parminder and all > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions > below. > > Yes, so do I. > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the > kind of > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach > effort > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things > like: > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > developments, ...... > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their > nominees > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the > > past). > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any > acknowledgement. > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make > the MAG. > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > Anriette > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At > times, > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the > single > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to > live up > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am > really not > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have > been > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, > broad > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > > practise what we preach. > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning > and use > > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > > parminder > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Good names all. > >> > >> But, > >> > >> What process was used? > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they > posted on the web site anywhere? > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > >> > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in > detail. Did I miss that? > >> > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection > risks that even further. > >> > >> > >> avri > >> > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom > are as follows: > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > >>> > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > information in via the required template would mean that their > names would not be sent. > >>> > >>> Kind Regards > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > wrote: > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > >>> > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the > information in the required format and an email was sent out to the > potential candidates to submit their information in the template > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that > failing to have the information submitted in required format could > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > >>> > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > >>> > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Fri Feb 3 08:17:36 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:17:36 +0000 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> Message-ID: In message , at 10:42:02 on Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Marilia Maciel quoted: >Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings ... >- Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, >should be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in >order to provide opportunities to all interested participants and to >ensure fair representatio That's interesting, because mathematically a 1/3 rotation and a maximum 3 year tenure combine to make quite a tightly defined system. I don't want to labour the point, but if you don't very strictly rotate off exactly the "most senior" 1/3, you will inevitably end up with some members entering a 4th year. Does this also answer a question of whether someone can be "rotated off", and then immediately "re-appointed"[1], or is that forbidden? (perhaps members of the CSTD WG could comment). [1] In the manner of some ICANN Board appointments for example. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 08:23:16 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:23:16 -0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> Message-ID: Hi Anriette, I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from Bill ;) Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did agree that it would be the bast way to go. I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity, gender balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed the last part of the sentence when I pasted it. Marília On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Marilia > > Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we > had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft > text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives. > > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and > academic' category developed... > > But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our > 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil > society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy > about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in > civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder > processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups > represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in > the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this. > > If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we > would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups > represented in the MAG: > > Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society) > Academic community > Technical community > Business > > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view. > > Anriette > > > > On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for > > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they > > are producing. > > > > > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF > > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the > > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a > > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be > > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the > > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a > > crucial moment. > > > > > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that > > the parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would > > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am > > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be > > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG about it. > > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as > > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. > > > > Marília > > > > * > > * > > > > *B.II – MAG* > > > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG > > meetings transparent * > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings > > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is > > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future > > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work. > > > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to > > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a > > transparent and documented fashion * > > > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > > stakeholder group* > > > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their > > selection process and should identify the process that works best for > > their own culture and methods of engagement > > > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated > > through any one particular body. > > > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the > > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to > > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to > > ensure appropriate gender balance > > > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried > > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group > > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups. > > > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for > > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF > website. > > > > > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid > > confusion with existing systems in other organizations. > > > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, > > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the > > different regions and constituencies. > > > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of > > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring > > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the > > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be > > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > > > Selected members should present: > > > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if > > possible, to other stakeholder groups > > > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly > > global meeting; > > > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF > > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do > > not participate) > > > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues > > of concern; > > > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated > > thematic working groups; > > > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers > > at the annual meeting; > > > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > > > -Publishing reports. > > > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with > > secretariat > > > > > > > > Miscellaneous: > > > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > > improvements. > > > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > > responsibilities > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a > > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the > process > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > wrote: > > > > Dear Parminder and all > > > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions > > below. > > > > Yes, so do I. > > > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its > processes > > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the > > kind of > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach > > effort > > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things > > like: > > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps > the > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS > > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > > developments, ...... > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to > the > > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their > > nominees > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in > the > > > past). > > > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC > nomcom as > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that > > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any > > acknowledgement. > > > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are > happy > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make > > the MAG. > > > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in > the > > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live > and > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At > > times, > > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the > > single > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to > > live up > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am > > really not > > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have > > been > > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, > > broad > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > > > practise what we preach. > > > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning > > and use > > > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' > format > > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required > information > > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of > nominees? > > > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Good names all. > > >> > > >> But, > > >> > > >> What process was used? > > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? > > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they > > posted on the web site anywhere? > > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > >> > > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in > > detail. Did I miss that? > > >> > > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at > best > > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection > > risks that even further. > > >> > > >> > > >> avri > > >> > > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom > > are as follows: > > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > >>> > > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their > > information in via the required template would mean that their > > names would not be sent. > > >>> > > >>> Kind Regards > > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > >>> > > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that > > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the > > information in the required format and an email was sent out to the > > potential candidates to submit their information in the template > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that > > failing to have the information submitted in required format could > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > >>> > > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > >>> > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > >>> > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >>> > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >>> > > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >>> > > >> > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org governance at lists.igcaucus.org> > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri Feb 3 08:34:11 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:34:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> Message-ID: <4F2BE253.8050305@apc.org> Thanks so much for checking the document carefully Marilia.. and going back to the earlier version as well.. I checked the new version of the document and this text is still there, on page 11. We will need to make sure that it is not just put at the bottom of a long check list in the final report :) Best Anriette On 03/02/12 15:23, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Hi Anriette, > > I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso > and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS > participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were > grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from > Bill ;) > > Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the > representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did > agree that it would be the bast way to go. > > I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is > there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity, > gender balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder > groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating > technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed > the last part of the sentence when I pasted it. > > Marília > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Dear Marilia > > Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we > had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft > text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives. > > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and > academic' category developed... > > But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our > 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil > society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy > about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in > civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder > processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups > represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in > the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this. > > If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we > would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups > represented in the MAG: > > Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society) > Academic community > Technical community > Business > > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view. > > Anriette > > > > On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to > NomCom for > > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the > report they > > are producing. > > > > > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG > on IGF > > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members > and the > > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a > > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be > > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the > > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is > to say > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a > > crucial moment. > > > > > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The > selection > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that > > the parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and > also > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we > would > > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am > > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be > > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG > about it. > > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as > > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. > > > > Marília > > > > * > > * > > > > *B.II – MAG* > > > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG > > meetings transparent * > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its > proceedings > > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim > record is > > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for > future > > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its > work. > > > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, > should > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in > order to > > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure > fair > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a > > transparent and documented fashion * > > > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > > stakeholder group* > > > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their > > selection process and should identify the process that works best for > > their own culture and methods of engagement > > > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be > mediated > > through any one particular body. > > > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the > > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to > > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to > > ensure appropriate gender balance > > > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried > > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted > group > > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder > groups. > > > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the > Secretary-General for > > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF > website. > > > > > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid > > confusion with existing systems in other organizations. > > > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, > > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the > > different regions and constituencies. > > > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of > > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring > > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the > > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates > should be > > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > > > Selected members should present: > > > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if > > possible, to other stakeholder groups > > > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly > > global meeting; > > > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and > regional IGF > > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members > that do > > not participate) > > > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of > issues > > of concern; > > > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in > dedicated > > thematic working groups; > > > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and > speakers > > at the annual meeting; > > > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > > > -Publishing reports. > > > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with > > secretariat > > > > > > > > Miscellaneous: > > > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF > and in > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > > improvements. > > > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > > responsibilities > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being > just a > > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into > the process > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > > >> wrote: > > > > Dear Parminder and all > > > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions > > below. > > > > Yes, so do I. > > > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its > processes > > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the > > kind of > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, > out-reach > > effort > > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > Things > > like: > > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage > people to > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and > perhaps the > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to > various CS > > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > > developments, ...... > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of > names to the > > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their > > nominees > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has > happened in the > > > past). > > > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC > nomcom as > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not > sure that > > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any > > acknowledgement. > > > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we > are happy > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make > > the MAG. > > > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. > And in the > > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very > live and > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At > > times, > > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the > > single > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to > > live up > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am > > really not > > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements > we have > > been > > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach > effort, > > broad > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we > need to > > > practise what we preach. > > > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning > > and use > > > of having candidates submit their information in the > 'required' format > > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required > information > > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of > nominees? > > > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little > later... > > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Good names all. > > >> > > >> But, > > >> > > >> What process was used? > > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing > that? > > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they > > posted on the web site anywhere? > > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > >> > > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining > everything in > > detail. Did I miss that? > > >> > > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous > at best > > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this > selection > > risks that even further. > > >> > > >> > > >> avri > > >> > > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the > NomCom > > are as follows: > > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > >>> > > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send > their > > information in via the required template would mean that their > > names would not be sent. > > >>> > > >>> Kind Regards > > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > >> > > > > >> wrote: > > >>> Dear All, > > >>> > > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > >>> > > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that > > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to > receive the > > information in the required format and an email was sent out > to the > > potential candidates to submit their information in the template > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that > > failing to have the information submitted in required format could > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been > given > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > >>> > > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > >>> > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > >>> > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >>> > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >>> > > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >>> > > >> > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Fri Feb 3 09:04:38 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:04:38 -0500 Subject: AW: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings In-Reply-To: References: <3542AF8F-B420-4468-BC02-3B6EB5296DFF@privaterra.org> <879A8333-1349-4DE1-9223-FFD64D94457F@uzh.ch> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C9DB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <618E2154-2176-4496-A84B-695F7DDF0DF6@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <67144D66-FA52-4CB4-AF84-F73E78D9B257@privaterra.org> Marilia, What I mean by my earlier comment is that I believe that IGC MAG candidates should not only have extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group, but also have experience engaging in a multi-stakeholder fashion to advance civil society positions. It isn't enough just presenting our views, we also need to work with others in a diplomatic and constructive fashion. There will be areas of disagreement, but likely too there will be key areas of common interest that can be advanced. The secretariat, though well intentioned, is under resourced and counts on the support of MAG members to not only develop the annual IGF program but also to fundraise. As such, I would also add another skill that should be sought, that being the ability to engage with donors to help identify and possibly secure funding to support civil society participation at consultations and the annual IGF. regards Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2012-02-03, at 7:58 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Hi Robert and all, > > I raised the discussion about what is being currently debated in the WG on IGF improvements regarding MAG. I probably should have responded to this thread here, but it is under "selection of MAG-urgent". > You raised important points regarding the criteria of selection, Robert. I believe that "experience on IG issues" and "active participation in the IGF" are covered there, but I am not sure what you mean by multistakeholder support. We are considering so far that MAG candidates should have "Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if possible, to other stakeholder groups". Not sure if this covers what you pointed out. > > Marília > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Robert Guerra wrote: > Wolfgang, > > A question that first needs to be answered is what regional system will be used to select MAG members. > > The Western European and Others Group (WEOG) is one of several unofficial Regional Groups in the United Nations that act as voting blocs and negotiation forums. It's been used in the past, and my guess is that it might be the system taken into consideration in the MAG selection process. > > ref - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_and_Others_Group > > I would hope that gender and region of origin aren't the only selection factors. Hopefully language skills, IGF experience, and multi-stakeholder support (if any) are also taken into consideration. > > The even larger question at this point is - when will the new MAG members be announced. Will we know in advance of the consultation in Feb, or will that decision come afterwards.. > > > > > -- > R. Guerra > Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 > Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom > Email: rguerra at privaterra.org > > On 2012-02-02, at 2:00 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > > > Hi > > > > just to add one point: > > > > In ICANNs NomCom we made a difference between citizenship and residence and it was up to the candidate to select whether he wanted to be treated on citizenship or residence. > > > > In the Case of Bill Drake - I strongly support his nomination - I think he should be treated as European. He lives in Europe since more than ten years. He was a member of the Board of EURALO. He was invited as a European expert by the Council of Europe and he teaches at the University of Zürich and in the European Summer School on Internet Governnace. > > > > Best wishes > > > > wolfgang > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Valeria Betancourt > > Gesendet: Do 02.02.2012 09:21 > > An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Betreff: Re: [governance] Fwd: MAG and CSTD WG meetings > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > You are right. We presented APC's nominations to the NomCom for consideration on Jan 20th. > > > > Valeria > > > > > > On 02/02/2012, at 3:13, William Drake wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Adam Peake wrote: > > > > > > I'll also be in Geneva. > > > > > > > > And I live here. > > > > My thanks to the nomcom for including me. Of course, since IGC and APC both nominated me three times prior, there's obviously no guarantee that UN NY will change its apparent practice of reserving any slots for US citizens for TC and business, but it's nice to be nominated anyway. > > > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, parminder wrote: > > > > > > I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > > > > > I agree with others there should be clearer procedures and reporting requirements for IGC's nomcoms, as there are inter alia for ICANN's. This has been a recurrent issue not only with the selection of MAG candidates, but also the WGIGF and if I recall correctly WGIG... > > > > > > Things like: we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to nominate themselves and others, > > > > > > There were messages on the list from Jacqueline, Sala, I believe Izumi, maybe others...? Maybe more of an ongoing thread would have been desirable.... > > > > > > pulbicize the process and perhaps the list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all developments, ...... > > > > > > Sure > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the past). > > > > > > Valeria can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe APC did submit these to IGC and report them on the list. They included > > > > Africa: Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications, South Africa > > Asia: Shahzad Ahmad, BytesForAll, Pakistan > > LAC: Magaly Pazello, Center on Communication and Emergence, Brazil; Carlos Afonso, Instituto Nupef, Brazil > > North America and Europe: William Drake, University of Zurich, Switzerland; David Souter, ict Development Associates, United Kingdom > > > > Speaking of transparency, it would also be nice to have some idea how UN NY makes its selections, but we've been saying that for six years to no end... > > > > Best, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************** > > William J. Drake > > International Fellow & Lecturer > > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > > University of Zurich, Switzerland > > william.drake at uzh.ch > > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > > www.williamdrake.org > > **************************************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 16:22:27 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:22:27 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F2BE253.8050305@apc.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> <4F2BE253.8050305@apc.org> Message-ID: Dear All, Thank you everyone for suggested improvements on MAG Selection from individuals and also those developed outside the IGC. Thank you Marilia for alerting us to the draft text that was developed by the Working Group on IGF Improvements. This will be a separate discussion and one that will definitely be looked into by the IGC. Once we set up a discussion platform "wiki style" on the IGC website, the IGC will be invited to comment and encourage discussion and dialogue around the area. There are numerous processes that require constant improvement to ensure that the IGC Charter Objectives are met and that is to promote *global public interest* objectives in Internet Governance Policy making. The use of the word of "Global" makes "representation" a key issue to properly represent the various geographical regions as they are able to advocate on issues that affect these regions specifically. The issues of selection criteria can be properly debated and teased out within the list. The NomCom in this instance have concluded their selection process. The IGC during the process made suggestions through the email on the criteria. On one view it is unethical to "influence" the critera whilst selection as the criteria should be developed prior to the appointment of the NomCom. For this, I apologise to the list for the oversight. Moving forward, I would like to re-iterate for the record that suggestions for NomCom improvement are not criticisms against the NomCom who have done what they were commissioned to do, which is to select Nominees. The absence of a Guideline is not their fault and neither is it their task nor mission. Their role is strictly confined to selection. Please allow me to take this time to thank Jacqueline and her Team for their work. Now that the Selection Process has been concluded, it is only proper that we wait for the Report by the NomCom Chair. As much as possible whilst the issues are related, that is of current selection and improvements to the process, I would like to keep these discussions "separate". Kind Regards, Sala On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Thanks so much for checking the document carefully Marilia.. and going > back to the earlier version as well.. > > I checked the new version of the document and this text is still there, > on page 11. We will need to make sure that it is not just put at the > bottom of a long check list in the final report :) > > Best > > Anriette > > > > > On 03/02/12 15:23, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > Hi Anriette, > > > > I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso > > and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS > > participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were > > grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from > > Bill ;) > > > > Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the > > representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did > > agree that it would be the bast way to go. > > > > I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is > > there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity, > > gender balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder > > groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating > > technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed > > the last part of the sentence when I pasted it. > > > > Marília > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > wrote: > > > > Dear Marilia > > > > Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that > we > > had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft > > text, is that we increase civil society representation through > treating > > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct > > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives. > > > > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and > > academic' category developed... > > > > But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our > > 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil > > society activists from the academic community. I am not at all > unhappy > > about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active > in > > civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder > > processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups > > represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented > in > > the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this. > > > > If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right > we > > would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups > > represented in the MAG: > > > > Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society) > > Academic community > > Technical community > > Business > > > > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to > > NomCom for > > > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the > > report they > > > are producing. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG > > on IGF > > > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members > > and the > > > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a > > > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be > > > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the > > > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is > > to say > > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed > in a > > > crucial moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and > that > > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The > > selection > > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an > important > > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and > that > > > the parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and > > also > > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, > not > > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of > these > > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we > > would > > > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I > am > > > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be > > > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG > > about it. > > > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as > > > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. > > > > > > Marília > > > > > > * > > > * > > > > > > *B.II – MAG* > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep > MAG > > > meetings transparent * > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > > > > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its > > proceedings > > > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim > > record is > > > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for > > future > > > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its > > work. > > > > > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, > > should > > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in > > order to > > > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure > > fair > > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done > in a > > > transparent and documented fashion * > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > > > stakeholder group* > > > > > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise > their > > > selection process and should identify the process that works best > for > > > their own culture and methods of engagement > > > > > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be > > mediated > > > through any one particular body. > > > > > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by > the > > > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups > are > > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to > > > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked > to > > > ensure appropriate gender balance > > > > > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > > > > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > > > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be > carried > > > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, > perhaps > > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted > > group > > > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder > > groups. > > > > > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the > > Secretary-General for > > > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > > > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF > > website. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of > the > > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid > > > confusion with existing systems in other organizations. > > > > > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF > Chair, > > > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across > the > > > different regions and constituencies. > > > > > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience > of > > > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > > > > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG > ensuring > > > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and > the > > > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates > > should be > > > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > > > > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > > > > > > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > > > > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > > > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > > > > > Selected members should present: > > > > > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > > > > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > > > > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if > > > possible, to other stakeholder groups > > > > > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > > > > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the > yearly > > > global meeting; > > > > > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > > > > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and > > regional IGF > > > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > > > > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > > > > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > > > > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > > > > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > > > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members > > that do > > > not participate) > > > > > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of > > issues > > > of concern; > > > > > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > > > > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > > > > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in > > dedicated > > > thematic working groups; > > > > > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > > > > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > > > > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and > > speakers > > > at the annual meeting; > > > > > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > > > > > -Publishing reports. > > > > > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction > with > > > secretariat > > > > > > > > > > > > Miscellaneous: > > > > > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic > committee. > > > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF > > and in > > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > > > improvements. > > > > > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > > > responsibilities > > > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being > > just a > > > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > > > > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > > > > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator > and > > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into > > the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Parminder and all > > > > > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > > > > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome > and > > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's > questions > > > below. > > > > > > Yes, so do I. > > > > > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its > > processes > > > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just > forthe > > > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen > the > > > kind of > > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, > > out-reach > > > effort > > > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > Things > > > like: > > > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage > > people to > > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and > > perhaps the > > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to > > various CS > > > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > > > developments, ...... > > > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of > > names to the > > > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit > their > > > nominees > > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has > > happened in the > > > > past). > > > > > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC > > nomcom as > > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not > > sure that > > > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any > > > acknowledgement. > > > > > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we > > are happy > > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a > 'non-MAG' > > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does > make > > > the MAG. > > > > > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > > > > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > > > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > > > > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. > > And in the > > > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very > > live and > > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from > it. At > > > times, > > > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered > the > > > single > > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard > to > > > live up > > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am > > > really not > > > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be > corrected. > > > > > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements > > we have > > > been > > > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach > > effort, > > > broad > > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we > > need to > > > > practise what we preach. > > > > > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the > meaning > > > and use > > > > of having candidates submit their information in the > > 'required' format > > > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required > > information > > > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of > > nominees? > > > > > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little > > later... > > > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> Good names all. > > > >> > > > >> But, > > > >> > > > >> What process was used? > > > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing > > that? > > > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are > they > > > posted on the web site anywhere? > > > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of > IGC > > > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted > somewhere? > > > >> > > > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining > > everything in > > > detail. Did I miss that? > > > >> > > > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous > > at best > > > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this > > selection > > > risks that even further. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> avri > > > >> > > > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Dear All, > > > >>> > > > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the > > NomCom > > > are as follows: > > > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > > >>> > > > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send > > their > > > information in via the required template would mean that their > > > names would not be sent. > > > >>> > > > >>> Kind Regards > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> Dear All, > > > >>> > > > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > > >>> > > > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise > that > > > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to > > receive the > > > information in the required format and an email was sent out > > to the > > > potential candidates to submit their information in the > template > > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that > > > failing to have the information submitted in required format > could > > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been > > given > > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > > >>> > > > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January > 2012. > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > >>> > > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > >>> > > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > ____________________________________________________________ > > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > >>> > > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > > > > > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > > www.apc.org > > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > > south africa > > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at ella.com Fri Feb 3 17:59:27 2012 From: avri at ella.com (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:59:27 -0500 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <4F29D974.8060406@itforchange.net> <4F2BC262.5020103@apc.org> <4F2BDAC3.1050501@apc.org> <4F2BE253.8050305@apc.org> Message-ID: Hi, I would like to point out that this Nomcom was initiated many many months ago in 2011 so that we would be ready for when the question was asked. They had lots of time for the discussion of criteria. They did not need to do it all rushed in the last 3 weeks. I have no objection to changing the chartered rules when it makes sense. But when people do not seem to be following them. one wonders whether we might not start following the rules first so that we know what we need to change and why. I am sort of a member of the appeals time, and perhaps this is all an issue for the Appeals Team. No one has brought a complaint and we have not talked about it among ourselves. Perhaps we should. The Appeals Team does as little as any other group in IGC (except for Jeremy who does lots of server etc work, yay!) Then again, am I a member of the Appeals team? I had a 1 year term that ended more than a year ago. The coordinator's just never held the choosing for replacements. This is the same for the entire non-Appeals Team. My suggestion: before we start changing the rules, lets using them. And to use them, we need to review them before we take on a task to make sure we understand the constraints on what we do. cheers, avri On 3 Feb 2012, at 16:22, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you everyone for suggested improvements on MAG Selection from individuals and also those developed outside the IGC. > > Thank you Marilia for alerting us to the draft text that was developed by the Working Group on IGF Improvements. This will be a separate discussion and one that will definitely be looked into by the IGC. Once we set up a discussion platform "wiki style" on the IGC website, the IGC will be invited to comment and encourage discussion and dialogue around the area. > > There are numerous processes that require constant improvement to ensure that the IGC Charter Objectives are met and that is to promote global public interest objectives in Internet Governance Policy making. The use of the word of "Global" makes "representation" a key issue to properly represent the various geographical regions as they are able to advocate on issues that affect these regions specifically. The issues of selection criteria can be properly debated and teased out within the list. > > The NomCom in this instance have concluded their selection process. The IGC during the process made suggestions through the email on the criteria. On one view it is unethical to "influence" the critera whilst selection as the criteria should be developed prior to the appointment of the NomCom. For this, I apologise to the list for the oversight. > > Moving forward, I would like to re-iterate for the record that suggestions for NomCom improvement are not criticisms against the NomCom who have done what they were commissioned to do, which is to select Nominees. The absence of a Guideline is not their fault and neither is it their task nor mission. Their role is strictly confined to selection. Please allow me to take this time to thank Jacqueline and her Team for their work. > > Now that the Selection Process has been concluded, it is only proper that we wait for the Report by the NomCom Chair. As much as possible whilst the issues are related, that is of current selection and improvements to the process, I would like to keep these discussions "separate". > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Thanks so much for checking the document carefully Marilia.. and going > back to the earlier version as well.. > > I checked the new version of the document and this text is still there, > on page 11. We will need to make sure that it is not just put at the > bottom of a long check list in the final report :) > > Best > > Anriette > > > > > On 03/02/12 15:23, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > Hi Anriette, > > > > I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso > > and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS > > participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were > > grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from > > Bill ;) > > > > Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the > > representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did > > agree that it would be the bast way to go. > > > > I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is > > there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity, > > gender balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder > > groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating > > technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed > > the last part of the sentence when I pasted it. > > > > Marília > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > wrote: > > > > Dear Marilia > > > > Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we > > had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft > > text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating > > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct > > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives. > > > > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and > > academic' category developed... > > > > But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our > > 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil > > society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy > > about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in > > civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder > > processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups > > represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in > > the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this. > > > > If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we > > would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups > > represented in the MAG: > > > > Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society) > > Academic community > > Technical community > > Business > > > > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to > > NomCom for > > > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the > > report they > > > are producing. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG > > on IGF > > > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members > > and the > > > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a > > > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be > > > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the > > > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is > > to say > > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a > > > crucial moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that > > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The > > selection > > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important > > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that > > > the parameters for selection need to be made clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and > > also > > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a > > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not > > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these > > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we > > would > > > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am > > > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be > > > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG > > about it. > > > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as > > > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. > > > > > > Marília > > > > > > * > > > * > > > > > > *B.II – MAG* > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG > > > meetings transparent * > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings* > > > > > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its > > proceedings > > > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim > > record is > > > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for > > future > > > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its > > work. > > > > > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, > > should > > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in > > order to > > > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure > > fair > > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a > > > transparent and documented fashion * > > > > > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each > > > stakeholder group* > > > > > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their > > > selection process and should identify the process that works best for > > > their own culture and methods of engagement > > > > > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be > > mediated > > > through any one particular body. > > > > > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the > > > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are > > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to > > > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to > > > ensure appropriate gender balance > > > > > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: > > > > > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate > > > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried > > > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps > > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted > > group > > > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder > > groups. > > > > > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the > > Secretary-General for > > > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be > > > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF > > website. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the > > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid > > > confusion with existing systems in other organizations. > > > > > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, > > > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the > > > different regions and constituencies. > > > > > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with > > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of > > > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. > > > > > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring > > > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the > > > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates > > should be > > > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. > > > > > > Open and transparent selection process and working process > > > > > > > > > > > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. * > > > > > > > > > > > > Requirements for MAG members: > > > > > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or > > > constituencies’ interest and not private interests. > > > > > > Selected members should present: > > > > > > - Proven ability to work as a team member > > > > > > - Active participation in the IGF process > > > > > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if > > > possible, to other stakeholder groups > > > > > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of MAG members: > > > > > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly > > > global meeting; > > > > > > - Participate in inter-sessional work; > > > > > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and > > regional IGF > > > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; > > > > > > - Bring in comments from the community; > > > > > > - Explain recommendations to the community. > > > > > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: > > > > > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, > > > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members > > that do > > > not participate) > > > > > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of > > issues > > > of concern; > > > > > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings; > > > > > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; > > > > > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in > > dedicated > > > thematic working groups; > > > > > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; > > > > > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops; > > > > > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and > > speakers > > > at the annual meeting; > > > > > > - Liaising with their respective communities; > > > > > > -Publishing reports. > > > > > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with > > > secretariat > > > > > > > > > > > > Miscellaneous: > > > > > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. > > > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF > > and in > > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF > > > improvements. > > > > > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and > > > responsibilities > > > > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being > > just a > > > single event but rather having evolved into a process. > > > > > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. > > > > > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and > > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into > > the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Parminder and all > > > > > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. > > > > > > Yes.. congrats to all. > > > > > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions > > > below. > > > > > > Yes, so do I. > > > > > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its > > processes > > > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > > > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the > > > kind of > > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, > > out-reach > > > effort > > > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. > > Things > > > like: > > > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage > > people to > > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and > > perhaps the > > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to > > various CS > > > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > > > > developments, ...... > > > > > > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of > > names to the > > > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their > > > nominees > > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has > > happened in the > > > > past). > > > > > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC > > nomcom as > > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not > > sure that > > > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any > > > acknowledgement. > > > > > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we > > are happy > > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' > > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for > > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make > > > the MAG. > > > > > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). > > > > > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil) > > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil) > > > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) > > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) > > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) > > > > > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. > > > > > > Anriette > > > > > > > > > > > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > > > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. > > And in the > > > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very > > live and > > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At > > > times, > > > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the > > > single > > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to > > > live up > > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am > > > really not > > > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > > > > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements > > we have > > > been > > > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach > > effort, > > > broad > > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we > > need to > > > > practise what we preach. > > > > > > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning > > > and use > > > > of having candidates submit their information in the > > 'required' format > > > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required > > information > > > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of > > nominees? > > > > > > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little > > later... > > > > parminder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> Good names all. > > > >> > > > >> But, > > > >> > > > >> What process was used? > > > >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing > > that? > > > >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they > > > posted on the web site anywhere? > > > >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC > > > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? > > > >> > > > >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining > > everything in > > > detail. Did I miss that? > > > >> > > > >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous > > at best > > > >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this > > selection > > > risks that even further. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> avri > > > >> > > > >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Dear All, > > > >>> > > > >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the > > NomCom > > > are as follows: > > > >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda > > > >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan > > > >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada > > > >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) > > > >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) > > > >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina > > > >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan > > > >>> > > > >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send > > their > > > information in via the required template would mean that their > > > names would not be sent. > > > >>> > > > >>> Kind Regards > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> Dear All, > > > >>> > > > >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. > > > >>> > > > >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that > > > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to > > receive the > > > information in the required format and an email was sent out > > to the > > > potential candidates to submit their information in the template > > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that > > > failing to have the information submitted in required format could > > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been > > given > > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. > > > >>> > > > >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > >>> > > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > >>> > > > >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > > >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > > >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > >>> > > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > > > > > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > > www.apc.org > > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > > south africa > > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > > executive director, association for progressive communications > > www.apc.org > > po box 29755, melville 2109 > > south africa > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 19:14:04 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] Message-ID: <1328314444.62590.yint-ygo-j2me@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear All, I agree with Avri that "Nomcom had lots of time for the discussion of criteria.." [IAS] .. and to understand the IGC Charter and Criteria about the selection through NomCom. And I also agree with the Avri that "But when people do not seem to be following them. one wonders whether we might not start following the rules first so that we know what we need to change and why." Sala has acknowledged that the Objection on the NomCom decision has arrived. If the Objection is about the "not" following the IGC "Criteria". It is up to coordinators they just make the objection as Statistical Record in NomCom process Report or involve Appeal Team to review the NomCom decision and issue the amendment / reversion of selection results for immediate use. Appeal Team also have read the Acknowledgment of Complaint and may start working with close interaction with the IGC Coordinators to provide Justice. 'To delay justice, is injustice.' --WILLIAM PENN Thanks and Regards Imran Ahmed Shah [President IGFPAK] ------------------------------On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:59 AM PKT Avri Doria wrote:>Hi,>>I would like to point out that this Nomcom was initiated many many months ago in 2011 so that we would be ready for when the question was asked. They had lots of time for the discussion of criteria. They did not need to do it all rushed in the last 3 weeks. >>I have no objection to changing the chartered rules when it makes sense. But when people do not seem to be following them. one wonders whether we might not start following the rules first so that we know what we need to change and why.>>>I am sort of a member of the appeals time, and perhaps this is all an issue for the Appeals Team. No one has brought a complaint and we have not talked about it among ourselves. Perhaps we should. The Appeals Team does as little as any other group in IGC (except for Jeremy who does lots of server etc work, yay!) Then again, am I a member of the Appeals team? I had a 1 year term that ended more than a year ago. The coordinator's just never held the choosing for replacements. This is the same for the entire non-Appeals Team. >>My suggestion: before we start changing the rules, lets using them. And to use them, we need to review them before we take on a task to make sure we understand the constraints on what we do.>>cheers,>>avri>>>>On 3 Feb 2012, at 16:22, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>>> Dear All,>> >> Thank you everyone for suggested improvements on MAG Selection from individuals and also those developed outside the IGC. >> >> Thank you Marilia for alerting us to the draft text that was developed by the Working Group on IGF Improvements. This will be a separate discussion and one that will definitely be looked into by the IGC. Once we set up a discussion platform "wiki style" on the IGC website, the IGC will be invited to comment and encourage discussion and dialogue around the area.>> >> There are numerous processes that require constant improvement to ensure that the IGC Charter Objectives are met and that is to promote global public interest objectives in Internet Governance Policy making. The use of the word of "Global" makes "representation" a key issue to properly represent the various geographical regions as they are able to advocate on issues that affect these regions specifically. The issues of selection criteria can be properly debated and teased out within the list.>> >> The NomCom in this instance have concluded their selection process. The IGC during the process made suggestions through the email on the criteria. On one view it is unethical to "influence" the critera whilst selection as the criteria should be developed prior to the appointment of the NomCom. For this, I apologise to the list for the oversight.>> >> Moving forward, I would like to re-iterate for the record that suggestions for NomCom improvement are not criticisms against the NomCom who have done what they were commissioned to do, which is to select Nominees. The absence of a Guideline is not their fault and neither is it their task nor mission. Their role is strictly confined to selection. Please allow me to take this time to thank Jacqueline and her Team for their work.>> >> Now that the Selection Process has been concluded, it is only proper that we wait for the Report by the NomCom Chair. As much as possible whilst the issues are related, that is of current selection and improvements to the process, I would like to keep these discussions "separate".>> >> Kind Regards,>> Sala>> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:>> Thanks so much for checking the document carefully Marilia.. and going>> back to the earlier version as well..>> >> I checked the new version of the document and this text is still there,>> on page 11. We will need to make sure that it is not just put at the>> bottom of a long check list in the final report :)>> >> Best>> >> Anriette>> >> >> >> >> On 03/02/12 15:23, Marilia Maciel wrote:>> > Hi Anriette,>> >>> > I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that Carlos Affonso>> > and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about challenges for CS>> > participation. We did some research about why tech and academic were>> > grouped together, but I would love to hear the background story from>> > Bill ;)>> >>> > Anyway, the important thing is that we propose it and the>> > representatives of the technical & academic community in the WG did>> > agree that it would be the bast way to go.>> >>> > I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is>> > there: "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity,>> > gender balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder>> > groups should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating>> > technical community and academic community", so I just probably missed>> > the last part of the sentence when I pasted it.>> >>> > Marília>> >>> >>> >>> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > wrote:>> >>> > Dear Marilia>> >>> > Thanks for posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we>> > had made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft>> > text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating>> > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct>> > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives.>> >>> > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and>> > academic' category developed...>> >>> > But my concern is that currently civil society is having to share our>> > 'places' between civil society organisations and individual civil>> > society activists from the academic community. I am not at all unhappy>> > about us doing this as many people who are academics are also active in>> > civil society, and they add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder>> > processes... but I think we need and deserve to have both groups>> > represented separately. Currently civil society is under-represented in>> > the MAG and I believe it is essential to change this.>> >>> > If the academic community is treated as a category in its own right we>> > would then have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups>> > represented in the MAG:>> >>> > Civil society (drawing from people in organised civil society)>> > Academic community>> > Technical community>> > Business>> >>> > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in my view.>> >>> > Anriette>> >>> >>> >>> > On 03/02/12 14:42, Marilia Maciel wrote:>> > > Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to>> > NomCom for>> > > performing this important task and thanks in advance for the>> > report they>> > > are producing.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG>> > on IGF>> > > improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members>> > and the>> > > role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a>> > > strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be>> > > invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the>> > > suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is>> > to say>> > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a>> > > crucial moment.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > It is very important that they are supported by the community and that>> > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The>> > selection>> > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important>> > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that>> > > the parameters for selection need to be made clear.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and>> > also>> > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a>> > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not>> > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these>> > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we>> > would>> > > be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am>> > > sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be>> > > great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG>> > about it.>> > > The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as>> > > "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals.>> > >>> > > Marília>> > >>> > > *>> > > *>> > >>> > > *B.II – MAG*>> > >>> > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG>> > > meetings transparent *>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings*>> > >>> > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its>> > proceedings>> > > available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim>> > record is>> > > available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for>> > future>> > > meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its>> > work.>> > >>> > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year,>> > should>> > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in>> > order to>> > > provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure>> > fair>> > > representation>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a>> > > transparent and documented fashion *>> > >>> > > *Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each>> > > stakeholder group*>> > >>> > > - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their>> > > selection process and should identify the process that works best for>> > > their own culture and methods of engagement>> > >>> > > - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be>> > mediated>> > > through any one particular body.>> > >>> > > - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the>> > > three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are>> > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to>> > > provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to>> > > ensure appropriate gender balance>> > >>> > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November:>> > >>> > > - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate>> > > geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried>> > > out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps>> > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted>> > group>> > > would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder>> > groups.>> > >>> > > The recommendation would then be submitted to the>> > Secretary-General for>> > > approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be>> > > submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF>> > website.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the>> > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid>> > > confusion with existing systems in other organizations.>> > >>> > > - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair,>> > > should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the>> > > different regions and constituencies.>> > >>> > > Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with>> > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of>> > > program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups.>> > >>> > > This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring>> > > balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the>> > > wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates>> > should be>> > > submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval.>> > >>> > > Open and transparent selection process and working process>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. *>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Requirements for MAG members:>> > >>> > > Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or>> > > constituencies’ interest and not private interests.>> > >>> > > Selected members should present:>> > >>> > > - Proven ability to work as a team member>> > >>> > > - Active participation in the IGF process>> > >>> > > - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if>> > > possible, to other stakeholder groups>> > >>> > > - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Responsibilities of MAG members:>> > >>> > > - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly>> > > global meeting;>> > >>> > > - Participate in inter-sessional work;>> > >>> > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and>> > regional IGF>> > > type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG;>> > >>> > > - Bring in comments from the community;>> > >>> > > - Explain recommendations to the community.>> > >>> > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole:>> > >>> > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations,>> > > performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members>> > that do>> > > not participate)>> > >>> > > - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of>> > issues>> > > of concern;>> > >>> > > - Selecting workshops and other meetings;>> > >>> > > - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings;>> > >>> > > - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in>> > dedicated>> > > thematic working groups;>> > >>> > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions;>> > >>> > > - Facilitating the organization of workshops;>> > >>> > > - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and>> > speakers>> > > at the annual meeting;>> > >>> > > - Liaising with their respective communities;>> > >>> > > -Publishing reports.>> > >>> > > - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with>> > > secretariat>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Miscellaneous:>> > >>> > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee.>> > >>> > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF>> > and in>> > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF>> > > improvements.>> > >>> > > - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and>> > > responsibilities>> > >>> > > - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being>> > just a>> > > single event but rather having evolved into a process.>> > >>> > > - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient.>> > >>> > > - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and>> > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into>> > the process>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen>> > >> > > > wrote:>> > >>> > > Dear Parminder and all>> > >>> > > On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote:>> > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list.>> > >>> > > Yes.. congrats to all.>> > > >>> > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and>> > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions>> > > below.>> > >>> > > Yes, so do I.>> > >>> > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its>> > processes>> > > > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe>> > > > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the>> > > kind of>> > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency,>> > out-reach>> > > effort>> > > > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity.>> > Things>> > > like:>> > > > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage>> > people to>> > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and>> > perhaps the>> > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to>> > various CS>> > > > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all>> > > > developments, ......>> > > >>> > > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of>> > names to the>> > > > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their>> > > nominees>> > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has>> > happened in the>> > > > past).>> > >>> > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC>> > nomcom as>> > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not>> > sure that>> > > the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any>> > > acknowledgement.>> > >>> > > One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we>> > are happy>> > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG'>> > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for>> > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make>> > > the MAG.>> > >>> > > The other people on our list were (as Bill posted).>> > >>> > > Carlos Afonso (Brazil)>> > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil)>> > > Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan)>> > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa)>> > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD)>> > >>> > > We will send these directly to the secretariat as well.>> > >>> > > Anriette>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the>> > > > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy.>> > And in the>> > > > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very>> > live and>> > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At>> > > times,>> > > > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the>> > > single>> > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to>> > > live up>> > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am>> > > really not>> > > > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected.>> > > >>> > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements>> > we have>> > > been>> > > > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach>> > effort,>> > > broad>> > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we>> > need to>> > > > practise what we preach.>> > > >>> > > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning>> > > and use>> > > > of having candidates submit their information in the>> > 'required' format>> > > > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required>> > information>> > > > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of>> > nominees?>> > > >>> > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little>> > later...>> > > > parminder>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote:>> > > > Hi,>> > > >>> > > > Good names all.>> > > >>> > > > But,>> > > >>> > > > What process was used?>> > > > Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing>> > that?>> > > > Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they>> > > posted on the web site anywhere?>> > > > Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC>> > > expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere?>> > > >>> > > > In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining>> > everything in>> > > detail. Did I miss that?>> > > >>> > > > The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous>> > at best>> > > > The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this>> > selection>> > > risks that even further.>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > avri>> > > >>> > > > On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Dear All,>> > > >>>> > > >> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the>> > NomCom>> > > are as follows:>> > > >> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda>> > > >> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan>> > > >> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada>> > > >> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain)>> > > >> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva)>> > > >> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina>> > > >> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan>> > > >>>> > > >> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send>> > their>> > > information in via the required template would mean that their>> > > names would not be sent.>> > > >>>> > > >> Kind Regards>> > > >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:>> > > >> Dear All,>> > > >>>> > > >> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates.>> > > >>>> > > >> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that>> > > they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to>> > receive the>> > > information in the required format and an email was sent out>> > to the>> > > potential candidates to submit their information in the template>> > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that>> > > failing to have the information submitted in required format could>> > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been>> > given>> > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent.>> > > >>>> > > >> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012.>> > > >>>> > > >> -->> > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> > > >>>> > > >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> > > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> > >> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> -->> > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> > > >>>> > > >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> > > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> > >> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> ____________________________________________________________>> > > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > >> To be removed from the list, visit:>> > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> > > >>>> > > >> For all other list information and functions, see:>> > > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> > > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> > > >>>> > > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> > > >>>> > > >>> > >>> > > -->> > > ------------------------------------------------------>> > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org>> > > > >> > > executive director, association for progressive communications>> > > www.apc.org >> > > po box 29755, melville 2109>> > > south africa>> > > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> > >> > >>> > >>> > > ____________________________________________________________>> > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > >> > > > >> > > To be removed from the list, visit:>> > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> > >>> > > For all other list information and functions, see:>> > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> > > http://www.igcaucus.org/>> > >>> > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -->> > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade>> > > FGV Direito Rio>> > >>> > > Center for Technology and Society>> > > Getulio Vargas Foundation>> > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil>> >>> > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------>> > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> > executive director, association for progressive communications>> > www.apc.org >> > po box 29755, melville 2109>> > south africa>> > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -->> > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade>> > FGV Direito Rio>> >>> > Center for Technology and Society>> > Getulio Vargas Foundation>> > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil>> >> -->> ------------------------------------------------------>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org>> executive director, association for progressive communications>> www.apc.org>> po box 29755, melville 2109>> south africa>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> >> For all other list information and functions, see:>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> Cell: +679 998 2851>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> >> For all other list information and functions, see:>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 19:45:52 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 13:45:52 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <1328314444.62590.yint-ygo-j2me@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1328314444.62590.yint-ygo-j2me@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Imran, Please refer to my earlier emails in relation to how we will proceed. To allege that there has been a delay in administration of justice is over exaggeration. We, like everyone else, will patiently wait for the NomCom Chair to deliver their report. You have already sent us your email about your complaint and we are in receipt. Kind Regards, Sala On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > > Dear All, > I agree with Avri that "Nomcom had lots of time for the discussion of > criteria.." > > [IAS] .. and to understand the IGC Charter and Criteria about the > selection through NomCom. > > > And I also agree with the Avri that "But when people do not seem to be > following them. one wonders whether we might not start following the rules > first so that we know what we need to change and why." > > Sala has acknowledged that the Objection on the NomCom decision has > arrived. > > If the Objection is about the "not" following the IGC "Criteria". > > It is up to coordinators they just make the objection as Statistical > Record in NomCom process Report or involve Appeal Team to review the NomCom > decision and issue the amendment / reversion of selection results for > immediate use. > > Appeal Team also have read the Acknowledgment of Complaint and may start > working with close interaction with the IGC Coordinators to provide Justice. > > 'To delay justice, is injustice.' --WILLIAM PENN > > Thanks and Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President IGFPAK] > > ------------------------------On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:59 AM PKT Avri Doria > wrote:>Hi,>>I would like to point out that this Nomcom was initiated many > many months ago in 2011 so that we would be ready for when the question was > asked. They had lots of time for the discussion of criteria. They did not > need to do it all rushed in the last 3 weeks. >>I have no objection to > changing the chartered rules when it makes sense. But when people do not > seem to be following them. one wonders whether we might not start following > the rules first so that we know what we need to change and why.>>>I am sort > of a member of the appeals time, and perhaps this is all an issue for the > Appeals Team. No one has brought a complaint and we have not talked about > it among ourselves. Perhaps we should. The Appeals Team does as little as > any other group in IGC (except for Jeremy who does lots of server etc work, > yay!) Then again, am I a member of the Appeals team? I had a 1 year > term that ended more than a year ago. The coordinator's just never held > the choosing for replacements. This is the same for the entire non-Appeals > Team. >>My suggestion: before we start changing the rules, lets using them. > And to use them, we need to review them before we take on a task to make > sure we understand the constraints on what we do.>>cheers,>>avri>>>>On 3 > Feb 2012, at 16:22, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>>> Dear All,>> >> > Thank you everyone for suggested improvements on MAG Selection from > individuals and also those developed outside the IGC. >> >> Thank you > Marilia for alerting us to the draft text that was developed by the Working > Group on IGF Improvements. This will be a separate discussion and one that > will definitely be looked into by the IGC. Once we set up a discussion > platform "wiki style" on the IGC website, the IGC will be invited to > comment and encourage discussion and dialogue around the area.>> >> There > are numerous > processes that require constant improvement to ensure that the IGC > Charter Objectives are met and that is to promote global public interest > objectives in Internet Governance Policy making. The use of the word of > "Global" makes "representation" a key issue to properly represent the > various geographical regions as they are able to advocate on issues that > affect these regions specifically. The issues of selection criteria can be > properly debated and teased out within the list.>> >> The NomCom in this > instance have concluded their selection process. The IGC during the process > made suggestions through the email on the criteria. On one view it is > unethical to "influence" the critera whilst selection as the criteria > should be developed prior to the appointment of the NomCom. For this, I > apologise to the list for the oversight.>> >> Moving forward, I would like > to re-iterate for the record that suggestions for NomCom improvement are > not criticisms against the > NomCom who have done what they were commissioned to do, which is to > select Nominees. The absence of a Guideline is not their fault and neither > is it their task nor mission. Their role is strictly confined to selection. > Please allow me to take this time to thank Jacqueline and her Team for > their work.>> >> Now that the Selection Process has been concluded, it is > only proper that we wait for the Report by the NomCom Chair. As much as > possible whilst the issues are related, that is of current selection and > improvements to the process, I would like to keep these discussions > "separate".>> >> Kind Regards,>> Sala>> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:34 AM, > Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:>> Thanks so much for > checking the document carefully Marilia.. and going>> back to the earlier > version as well..>> >> I checked the new version of the document and this > text is still there,>> on page 11. We will need to make sure that it is not > just put at the>> > bottom of a long check list in the final report :)>> >> Best>> >> > Anriette>> >> >> >> >> On 03/02/12 15:23, Marilia Maciel wrote:>> > Hi > Anriette,>> >>> > I totally agree with you. This was one of the points that > Carlos Affonso>> > and I raised on the paper we wrote to APC about > challenges for CS>> > participation. We did some research about why tech > and academic were>> > grouped together, but I would love to hear the > background story from>> > Bill ;)>> >>> > Anyway, the important thing is > that we propose it and the>> > representatives of the technical & academic > community in the WG did>> > agree that it would be the bast way to go.>> > >>> > I searched Peter's older document and the proposal is>> > there: > "Stakeholder groups should strive for geographic diversity,>> > gender > balance, and developing country representation. Stakeholder>> > groups > should also strive to reflect their internal diversity separating>> > > technical community and academic > community", so I just probably missed>> > the last part of the sentence > when I pasted it.>> >>> > Marília>> >>> >>> >>> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at > 11:01 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > anriette at apc.org> wrote:>> >>> > Dear Marilia>> >>> > Thanks for > posting this text from the WG report... one proposal that we>> > had > made in the WG, which I don't see reflected in the current draft>> > > text, is that we increase civil society representation through treating>> > > the technical community and the academic community as two distinct>> > > stakeholder groups, each entitled to its own representatives.>> >>> > > Bill can explain the history of how the rather fuzzy 'technical and>> > > academic' category developed...>> >>> > But my concern is that > currently civil society is having to share our>> > 'places' between > civil society organisations and individual civil>> > society activists > from the academic > community. I am not at all unhappy>> > about us doing this as many > people who are academics are also active in>> > civil society, and they > add a lot of value to multi-stakeholder>> > processes... but I think we > need and deserve to have both groups>> > represented separately. > Currently civil society is under-represented in>> > the MAG and I > believe it is essential to change this.>> >>> > If the academic > community is treated as a category in its own right we>> > would then > have the following non-governmental stakeholder groups>> > represented > in the MAG:>> >>> > Civil society (drawing from people in organised > civil society)>> > Academic community>> > Technical community>> > > Business>> >>> > This would deepen multi-stakeholder participation in > my view.>> >>> > Anriette>> >>> >>> >>> > On 03/02/12 14:42, > Marilia Maciel wrote:>> > > Congratulations to the tentative list of > nominees. Thanks to>> > > NomCom for>> > > performing this important task and thanks in > advance for the>> > report they>> > > are producing.>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > As you know, one of the topics that are being > discussed in the WG>> > on IGF>> > > improvements is precisely the > process for nominating MAG members>> > and the>> > > role of MAG. > MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a>> > > strengthened IGF > and the next group of selected MAG members will be>> > > invited to > find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the>> > > suggestions > for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is>> > to say>> > > > that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in > a>> > > crucial moment.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > It is > very important that they are supported by the community and that>> > > > they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The>> > > selection>> > > process is important on this regard, as it puts in > place an important>> > > cornerstone. This is why this process needs to > be documented and that>> > > the parameters for selection need to be > made clear.>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > The WG has been > discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and>> > also>> > > > some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a>> > > > compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not>> > > > only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of > these>> > > topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, > as we>> > would>> > > be walking the talk), but also for > discussion. From this thread I am>> > > sure that this topic is a > concern of the community, and it would be>> > > great to have feedback > about what is being discussed in the WG>> > about it.>> > > The > report will probably be > structured with broad agreements as>> > > "headlines", further > detailed on more specific proposals.>> > >>> > > Marília>> > > >>> > > *>> > > *>> > >>> > > *B.II – MAG*>> > >>> > > > *Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep > MAG>> > > meetings transparent *>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > *Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings*>> > > >>> > > - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its>> > > proceedings>> > > available in the form of a live text streaming. > This verbatim>> > record is>> > > available on the IGF Web site. > This proceeding is recommended for>> > future>> > > meetings in > order to enhance the openness and transparency of its>> > work.>> > > >>> > > - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every > year,>> > should>> > > be preserved, with a three-year limit to each > member’s term in>> > order to>> > > provide opportunities to all > interested participants and to ensure>> > fair>> > > > representation>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > *Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a>> > > > transparent and documented fashion *>> > >>> > > *Broad > agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each>> > > > stakeholder group*>> > >>> > > - In light of transparency, > stakeholder groups should publicise their>> > > selection process and > should identify the process that works best for>> > > their own culture > and methods of engagement>> > >>> > > - Selection of any > stakeholder group may not be confined to be>> > mediated>> > > > through any one particular body.>> > >>> > > - The selection would > be based on proposed candidate lists made by the>> > > three > non-governmental stakeholder groups. The > stakeholder groups are>> > > encouraged to nominate a sufficiently > large slate of candidates to>> > > provide some flexibility in > selection of MAG members and are asked to>> > > ensure appropriate > gender balance>> > >>> > > - One possibility mentioned by the MAG > group itself last November:>> > >>> > > - A form of 'triage' > that would be used to ensure appropriate>> > > geographical balance > among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried>> > > out by a > trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps>> > > > including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted>> > > group>> > > would work in active consultation with the respective > stakeholder>> > groups.>> > >>> > > The recommendation would > then be submitted to the>> > Secretary-General for>> > > approval. > One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be>> > > > submitted to the Secretary-General > should be published on the IGF>> > website.>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the > essence of the>> > > NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection > committee" to avoid>> > > confusion with existing systems in other > organizations.>> > >>> > > - The selection Committee > members, appointed by the IGF Chair,>> > > should be drawn fairly from > representatives of stakeholders across the>> > > different regions and > constituencies.>> > >>> > > Preferably, the Selection Committee > would include experts with>> > > wide-ranging knowledge of Internet > governance, previous experience of>> > > program preparation and strong > links to various stakeholder groups.>> > >>> > > This Selection > Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring>> > > balanced > representation of geographical distribution, gender and the>> > > wide > range of stakeholders. > The final selection of candidates>> > should be>> > > submitted > to the UN Secretary-General for final approval.>> > >>> > > Open > and transparent selection process and working process>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > *Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of > Reference. *>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Requirements for MAG > members:>> > >>> > > Potential stakeholder representatives should > represent groups’ or>> > > constituencies’ interest and not private > interests.>> > >>> > > Selected members should present:>> > >>> > > > - Proven ability to work as a team member>> > >>> > > - > Active participation in the IGF process>> > >>> > > - Extensive > linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if>> > > possible, to > other stakeholder groups>> > >>> > > - Experience and expertise in > Internet governance issues>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > Responsibilities of MAG members:>> > >>> > > - Attend three > meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly>> > > global > meeting;>> > >>> > > - Participate in inter-sessional work;>> > > >>> > > - Make outreach to wider community, including national and>> > > regional IGF>> > > type initiatives and bring other networks into > the MAG;>> > >>> > > - Bring in comments from the community;>> > > >>> > > - Explain recommendations to the community.>> > >>> > > > - Willingness to commit to work and follow through>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Responsibilities of the MAG as a > whole:>> > >>> > > - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of > service, rotations,>> > > performance criteria such as > removal/replacement of MAG members>> > that do>> > > not > participate)>> > >>> > > - Develop the detailed programme including > the identification of>> > > issues>> > > of concern;>> > >>> > > - Selecting workshops > and other meetings;>> > >>> > > - Defining how best to plan and > organize the meetings;>> > >>> > > - Organizing main sessions and > where necessary participate in>> > dedicated>> > > thematic working > groups;>> > >>> > > - Establishing linkages between workshops and > main sessions;>> > >>> > > - Facilitating the organization of > workshops;>> > >>> > > - Coordinating panels and supporting > panellists, moderators and>> > speakers>> > > at the annual > meeting;>> > >>> > > - Liaising with their respective > communities;>> > >>> > > -Publishing reports.>> > >>> > > - > Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with>> > > > secretariat>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Miscellaneous:>> > > >>> > > - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic > committee.>> > >>> > > > - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF>> > > and in>> > > the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations > for IGF>> > > improvements.>> > >>> > > - Consider > relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and>> > > > responsibilities>> > >>> > > - Consider the role of the MAG in > context of IGF no longer being>> > just a>> > > single event but > rather having evolved into a process.>> > >>> > > - Consider > mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient.>> > >>> > > - > Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and>> > > > listener of what happens in consultations, important input into>> > > the process>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Feb > 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen>> > anriette at apc.org>>> > > anriette at apc.org>> wrote:>> > >>> > > > Dear Parminder and all>> > >>> > > On 02/02/12 02:31, > parminder wrote:>> > > > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good > list.>> > >>> > > Yes.. congrats to all.>> > > >>> > > > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome > and>> > > > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's > questions>> > > below.>> > >>> > > Yes, so do I.>> > > >>> > > > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and > its>> > processes>> > > > must be taken very very seriously, > even if sometimes just forthe>> > > > process's sake. I may be > wrong, but I seem not to have seen the>> > > kind of>> > > > > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency,>> > > out-reach>> > > effort>> > > > etc that is required for the > nomination/ election activity.>> > Things>> > > like:>> > > > > we > need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage>> > people to>> > > > > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and>> > > perhaps the>> > > > list of nomcom members as well, make active > out reach to>> > various CS>> > > > entities inviting > nomination, keeping the list posted of all>> > > > developments, > ......>> > > >>> > > > For instance, APC I am sure will > forward its own slate of>> > names to the>> > > > IGF > secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their>> > > > nominees>> > > > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this > has>> > happened in the>> > > > past).>> > >>> > > > Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC>> > > nomcom as>> > > we think the IGC selection is an important one. We > are not>> > sure that>> > > the IGC nomcom considered our list > as did not receive > any>> > > acknowledgement.>> > >>> > > One person on > our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we>> > are happy>> > > > to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG'>> > > > member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for>> > > > development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does > make>> > > the MAG.>> > >>> > > The other people on our > list were (as Bill posted).>> > >>> > > Carlos Afonso > (Brazil)>> > > Magaly Pazello (Brazil)>> > > Shahzad Ahmad > (Pakistan)>> > > Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa)>> > > > David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD)>> > >>> > > We will send > these directly to the secretariat as well.>> > >>> > > > Anriette>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Enriching our > catchment of potential candidates and thus the>> > > > final list > in this way greatly > enhances IGC's legitimacy.>> > And in the>> > > > civil > society space legitimacy building and losing is a very>> > live and>> > > > > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. > At>> > > times,>> > > > like for the WG on IGF > improvements, IGC has been considered the>> > > single>> > > > > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to>> > > > live up>> > > > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned > by Avri. And I am>> > > really not>> > > > sure if we did > in this case, though I am happy to be corrected.>> > > >>> > > > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements>> > we > have>> > > been>> > > > seeking higher transparency, > focussed and active out reach>> > effort,>> > > broad>> > > > > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we>> > > need to>> > > > > practise what we preach.>> > > >>> > > > Among many > other things, I also could not understand the meaning>> > > and > use>> > > > of having candidates submit their information in the>> > > 'required' format>> > > > after the list of nominees is > published. Isnt the required>> > information>> > > > supposed > to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of>> > nominees?>> > > > >>> > > > There a few other points I will like to make, but > a little>> > later...>> > > > parminder>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 > PM, Avri Doria wrote:>> > > > Hi,>> > > >>> > > > > Good names all.>> > > >>> > > > But,>> > > >>> > > > > What process was used?>> > > > Was there a public call > for nominations? Did I miss seeing>> > that?>> > > > Where are > their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they>> > > posted > on the web site anywhere?>> > > > Is there a reason for each of > these selections in terms of IGC>> > > expectations? Did I miss > seeing that? Are they posted somewhere?>> > > >>> > > > In > the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining>> > everything in>> > > > detail. Did I miss that?>> > > >>> > > > The > IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous>> > at best>> > > > > The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this>> > > selection>> > > risks that even further.>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > avri>> > > >>> > > > On 1 Feb 2012, > at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> Dear All,>> > > >>>> > > >> The Names > that were submitted to the Coordinators by the>> > NomCom>> > > > are as follows:>> > > >> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda>> > > > >> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan>> > > >> • > Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada>> > > >> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - > Canadian & European (Spain)>> > > >> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North > American (Lives in Geneva)>> > > >> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - > Argentina>> > > >> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - > Pakistan>> > > >>>> > > >> However, these nominees were > advised that failure to send>> > their>> > > information in > via the required template would mean that their>> > > names would > not be sent.>> > > >>>> > > >> Kind Regards>> > > > >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > > > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>> > > > > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>>> > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>> > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > > >> Dear > All,>> > > >>>> > > >> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting > MAG candidates.>> > > >>>> > > >> In the interest of > transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that>> > > they had completed > selection of the MAG. We have yet to>> > receive the>> > > > information in the required format and an email was sent out>> > to > the>> > > potential candidates to submit their information in the > template>> > > shown within the email. Potential candidates were > advised that>> > > failing to have the information submitted in > required format could>> > > > mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been>> > > given>> > > 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be > sent.>> > > >>>> > > >> Submission of names were to be sent > on the 31st January 2012.>> > > >>>> > > >> -->> > > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> > > >>>> > > >> > Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> > > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > > >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> > > >> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> -->> > > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> > > >>>> > > > >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> > > >> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> > > >> Cell: +679 998 2851>> > >> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >> > ____________________________________________________________>> > > > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > > >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>> > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>> > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>> > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>>> > > >> To be removed from the > list, visit:>> > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> > > > >>>> > > >> For all other list information and functions, > see:>> > > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> > > > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> > > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> > > >>>> > > >> > Translate > this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> > > >>>> > > > >>> > >>> > > -->> > > > ------------------------------------------------------>> > > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org>> > > > > >> > > > executive director, association for progressive communications>> > > > www.apc.org >> > > po > box 29755, melville 2109>> > > south africa>> > > tel/fax +27 > 11 726 1692 >> > > >> > >>> > >>> > > > ____________________________________________________________>> > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> > > >> > > To be removed from > the list, visit:>> > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> > > >>> > > For all other list information and functions, see:>> > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/>> > >>> > > Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > -->> > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade>> > > FGV > Direito Rio>> > >>> > > Center for Technology and Society>> > > > Getulio Vargas Foundation>> > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil>> >>> > > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------>> > > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> > > executive director, association for progressive communications>> > > www.apc.org > >> > po box 29755, melville 2109>> > south > africa>> > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> > >>> >>> >>> >>> > -->> > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade>> > FGV Direito > Rio>> >>> > Center for Technology and Society>> > Getulio Vargas > Foundation>> > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil>> >> -->> > ------------------------------------------------------>> anriette > esterhuysen anriette at apc.org>> executive director, association for > progressive communications>> www.apc.org>> po box 29755, melville 2109>> > south africa>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692>> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________>> You received > this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> >> For all other list information > and functions, see:>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> To > edit your profile and to find the IGC's > charter, see:>> http://www.igcaucus.org/>> >> Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta > Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala>> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT>> > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro>> Cell: +679 998 2851>> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________>> You received > this message as a subscriber on the list:>> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>> >> For all other list information > and functions, see:>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance>> To > edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>> > http://www.igcaucus.org/>> >> Translate this email: > http://translate.google.com/translate_t>> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sat Feb 4 05:13:00 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 11:13:00 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: Hi On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. One imagines it's not quite heartening for nomcom members to do a bunch of free labor for the community and then come in for immediate criticism of various kinds. If there are particular candidates who weren't selected due to unfair consideration that's one thing, although it'd be rather hard to get into a post hoc group discussion of it without risking treading on some sensitivities. Either way, the process points clearly are worth contemplating and nailing down as agree practice going forward. According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process NomCom Process Details: • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. However, in this cycle I saw this message from Jacquiline: From: Jacqueline Morris The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. Which puzzled me; what happened to the others, and who is Thomas, he wasn't listed in the prior grouping? Whenever possible, one month will be used to constitute the nomcom and determine the criteria for the selections they are to make, and one month will be used to discuss and decide on candidates. • At least 25 volunteers, i.e. 5 volunteers for each nomcom seat, are required for running the random process. • A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously. Again, I believe this was done for the noncom for WGIGF but not for this one. • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. Pending • Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made. If so, then the WGIGF nomcom was gone and I don't recall how we ended up with a nomcom of apparently two people thereafter. However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. Did that perhaps happen? • There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. Unless we have a strong conviction that agreed processes were not followed and that in consequence this (mis)shaped the selection process in a manner that was prejudicial to certain applicants, I wouldn't see the purpose of doing an appeal process and then confusing UN NY in a couple weeks with a message asking them to disregard the names submitted, here's a new list (if that were the outcome). Probably would not build CS credibility, and might make us the particular focus of WGIGF discussions on the need to clarify procedures. 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I > had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the > members were listed: > > Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and > Jacquiline Morris. No, that was the previous nomcom. Reposting a message from the list to explain: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New nomcom begins work Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:40:42 +0800 From: Jeremy Malcolm Organization: Consumers International To: governance at lists.cpsr.org The recently-appointed IGC nominating committee is about to begin work on selecting IGC nominees for the IGF MAG. Since the panel was first announced, two of the reserves have stepped in to fill positions in which that the originally selected members couldn't (or couldn't confirm) being able to serve. A non-voting chair from the last nomcom has also volunteered to chair (see http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process). Many thanks to Jacqueline Morris for - however as her appointment is just a recommendation by the Coordinators, please let me know if there are any objections to it, before the nomcom commences work. Thus (subject to the above) the final composition of the nomcom is as follows: Jacqueline Morris (non-voting chair) Julián Casasbuenas G. Thomas Lowenhaupt Antonio Medina Gómez Shaila Mistry Carlos Watson We still do not have a date by which the MAG will be reconstituted, but in the meantime the new nomcom will begin to settle the appointment criteria and will post them to this list when they are done. They will also be calling for nominations of those wishing to serve on the MAG, so please stay tuned for that too. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 04/02/12 18:13, William Drake wrote: >> >> According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process >> >> NomCom Process Details: >> >> • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: >> >> Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. > > No, that was the previous nomcom. Reposting a message from the list to explain: > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: New nomcom begins work > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:40:42 +0800 > From: Jeremy Malcolm > Organization: Consumers International > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > The recently-appointed IGC nominating committee is about to begin work on selecting IGC nominees for the IGF MAG. > > Since the panel was first announced, two of the reserves have stepped in to fill positions in which that the originally selected members couldn't (or couldn't confirm) being able to serve. A non-voting chair from the last nomcom has also volunteered to chair (see http://www.igcaucus.org/nomcom-process). Many thanks to Jacqueline Morris for - however as her appointment is just a recommendation by the Coordinators, please let me know if there are any objections to it, before the nomcom commences work. Thus (subject to the above) the final composition of the nomcom is as follows: > > Jacqueline Morris (non-voting chair) > Julián Casasbuenas G. > Thomas Lowenhaupt > Antonio Medina Gómez > Shaila Mistry > Carlos Watson > > We still do not have a date by which the MAG will be reconstituted, but in the meantime the new nomcom will begin to settle the appointment criteria and will post them to this list when they are done. They will also be calling for nominations of those wishing to serve on the MAG, so please stay tuned for that too. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sat Feb 4 10:56:11 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:56:11 -0500 Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> Message-ID: <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> Hi Bill, I expect it is true of any of us who take on a public task as a volunteer that it is not heartening to have people criticize the work you did for free. Nonetheless, my experience has taught me that it is something most volunteers need to deal with. I expect that most people who do volunteer do it because there is something they think needs to be done and they think they can help do it, and that few of them do it for the kudos or praise of the of the non-volunteers. I think you may be mistaken over the reason this Nomcom was set up or when it was set-up. Specifically from > • From: Jeremy Malcolm > • To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > • Subject: [governance] New nomcom begins work > • Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:40:42 +0800 > The recently-appointed IGC nominating committee is about to begin work on selecting IGC nominees for the IGF MAG. avri On 4 Feb 2012, at 05:13, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> >> I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. > > One imagines it's not quite heartening for nomcom members to do a bunch of free labor for the community and then come in for immediate criticism of various kinds. If there are particular candidates who weren't selected due to unfair consideration that's one thing, although it'd be rather hard to get into a post hoc group discussion of it without risking treading on some sensitivities. Either way, the process points clearly are worth contemplating and nailing down as agree practice going forward. > > According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process > > NomCom Process Details: > > • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: > > Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. However, in this cycle I saw this message from Jacquiline: > > From: Jacqueline Morris > > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > > Which puzzled me; what happened to the others, and who is Thomas, he wasn't listed in the prior grouping? > > Whenever possible, one month will be used to constitute the nomcom and determine the criteria for the selections they are to make, and one month will be used to discuss and decide on candidates. > • At least 25 volunteers, i.e. 5 volunteers for each nomcom seat, are required for running the random process. > • A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously. > > Again, I believe this was done for the noncom for WGIGF but not for this one. > > • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. > > Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. > > • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made > > Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. > > • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information > > Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. > > • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. > > Pending > > • Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made. > > If so, then the WGIGF nomcom was gone and I don't recall how we ended up with a nomcom of apparently two people thereafter. > > However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. > > Did that perhaps happen? > > • There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. > > Unless we have a strong conviction that agreed processes were not followed and that in consequence this (mis)shaped the selection process in a manner that was prejudicial to certain applicants, I wouldn't see the purpose of doing an appeal process and then confusing UN NY in a couple weeks with a message asking them to disregard the names submitted, here's a new list (if that were the outcome). Probably would not build CS credibility, and might make us the particular focus of WGIGF discussions on the need to clarify procedures. But clearly we should take the opportunity to tweak the charter language and to ensure that future noncoms are fully compliant with each step that's been laid down… > > Best, > > Bill -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From devonrb at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 11:03:46 2012 From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:03:46 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> Message-ID: <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> So why not put all the procedures mentioned here in one document and then we can review and agree on a final framework going forward. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Avri Doria Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:56:11 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Avri Doria Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform Hi Bill, I expect it is true of any of us who take on a public task as a volunteer that it is not heartening to have people criticize the work you did for free. Nonetheless, my experience has taught me that it is something most volunteers need to deal with. I expect that most people who do volunteer do it because there is something they think needs to be done and they think they can help do it, and that few of them do it for the kudos or praise of the of the non-volunteers. I think you may be mistaken over the reason this Nomcom was set up or when it was set-up. Specifically from > • From: Jeremy Malcolm > • To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > • Subject: [governance] New nomcom begins work > • Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:40:42 +0800 > The recently-appointed IGC nominating committee is about to begin work on selecting IGC nominees for the IGF MAG. avri On 4 Feb 2012, at 05:13, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> >> I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. > > One imagines it's not quite heartening for nomcom members to do a bunch of free labor for the community and then come in for immediate criticism of various kinds. If there are particular candidates who weren't selected due to unfair consideration that's one thing, although it'd be rather hard to get into a post hoc group discussion of it without risking treading on some sensitivities. Either way, the process points clearly are worth contemplating and nailing down as agree practice going forward. > > According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process > > NomCom Process Details: > > • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: > > Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. However, in this cycle I saw this message from Jacquiline: > > From: Jacqueline Morris > > The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > > Which puzzled me; what happened to the others, and who is Thomas, he wasn't listed in the prior grouping? > > Whenever possible, one month will be used to constitute the nomcom and determine the criteria for the selections they are to make, and one month will be used to discuss and decide on candidates. > • At least 25 volunteers, i.e. 5 volunteers for each nomcom seat, are required for running the random process. > • A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously. > > Again, I believe this was done for the noncom for WGIGF but not for this one. > > • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. > > Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. > > • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made > > Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. > > • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information > > Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. > > • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. > > Pending > > • Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made. > > If so, then the WGIGF nomcom was gone and I don't recall how we ended up with a nomcom of apparently two people thereafter. > > However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. > > Did that perhaps happen? > > • There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. > > Unless we have a strong conviction that agreed processes were not followed and that in consequence this (mis)shaped the selection process in a manner that was prejudicial to certain applicants, I wouldn't see the purpose of doing an appeal process and then confusing UN NY in a couple weeks with a message asking them to disregard the names submitted, here's a new list (if that were the outcome). Probably would not build CS credibility, and might make us the particular focus of WGIGF discussions on the need to clarify procedures. But clearly we should take the opportunity to tweak the charter language and to ensure that future noncoms are fully compliant with each step that's been laid down… > > Best, > > Bill -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Sat Feb 4 11:21:01 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:21:01 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> Message-ID: <1A83BFAE-B79B-48C0-A1B4-090845DA0D68@uzh.ch> On Feb 4, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > > I think you may be mistaken over the reason this Nomcom was set up or when it was set-up. > Specifically from Right, as I replied to Jeremy previously, I missed that message (apparently was not alone in this). So assuming the set-up process was per the charter, the outstanding questions would pertain to just the subsequent conduct, e.g. >> >> >> • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. >> >> Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. >> >> • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made >> >> Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. >> >> • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information >> >> Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. >> >> • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. The Chair's pending report could fill in the gaps this time and then going forward we could agree on which bits are supposed to happen prior to the announcement of selections. BD -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sat Feb 4 12:02:19 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 09:02:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] Nomcom reform Message-ID: <1328374939.72189.yint-ygo-j2me@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> translate google ------------------------------ On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 3:13 PM PKT William Drake wrote: >Hi > >On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > >> >> I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. > >One imagines it's not quite heartening for nomcom members to do a bunch of free labor for the community and then come in for immediate criticism of various kinds. If there are particular candidates who weren't selected due to unfair consideration that's one thing, although it'd be rather hard to get into a post hoc group discussion of it without risking treading on some sensitivities. Either way, the process points clearly are worth contemplating and nailing down as agree practice going forward. > >According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process > >NomCom Process Details: > > • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: > >Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. However, in this cycle I saw this message from Jacquiline: > >From: Jacqueline Morris > >The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. > >Which puzzled me; what happened to the others, and who is Thomas, he wasn't listed in the prior grouping? > >Whenever possible, one month will be used to constitute the nomcom and determine the criteria for the selections they are to make, and one month will be used to discuss and decide on candidates. > • At least 25 volunteers, i.e. 5 volunteers for each nomcom seat, are required for running the random process. > • A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously. > >Again, I believe this was done for the noncom for WGIGF but not for this one. > > • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. > >Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. > > • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made > >Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. > > • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information > >Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. > > • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. > >Pending > > • Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made. > >If so, then the WGIGF nomcom was gone and I don't recall how we ended up with a nomcom of apparently two people thereafter. > >However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. > >Did that perhaps happen? > > • There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. > >Unless we have a strong conviction that agreed processes were not followed and that in consequence this (mis)shaped the selection process in a manner that was prejudicial to certain applicants, I wouldn't see the purpose of doing an appeal process and then confusing UN NY in a couple weeks with a message asking them to disregard the names submitted, here's a new list (if that were the outcome). Probably would not build CS credibility, and might make us the particular focus of WGIGF discussions on the need to clarify procedures. But clearly we should take the opportunity to tweak the charter language and to ensure that future noncoms are fully compliant with each step that's been laid down… > >Best, > >Bill -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sat Feb 4 12:04:38 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:04:38 -0500 Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> Hi, Ture they could be fused into one document instead of the two they are currently in. Actually one of them is included by reference in the other. Not sure what that would achieve, since both are online: http://igcaucus.org/charter http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process And just in case anyone thinks these have never been modified: I.e we have an amendment process, which we have used. It involves groups of members > This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter. This has happened before. BTW, I should note that since I only signed the membership pledge that is a part of the elections process in the last election, but did not actually vote for anyone, since I was objecting to the lack of a non of the above option, I have been judged a non-member by a previous co-coordinator. I would still argue that any amendments should be done according to the process defined in the charter. Of course this means that by that judgement I am also no longer a member of the non-appeals team since I am no longer a member. Shows how important voting is and how costly the decision to protest a ballot can be. HMMM, maybe I should start an amendment process on what it means to vote (i.e. is it participation in the process that includes signing the yearly membership pledge or is it actually picking one of the individuals listed?) and on whether the inclusion of 'none of the above' is mandatory on ballot. Of course I would not count as one of the 10 members required by the amendment process and would not be able to vote on it. Unless of course the coordinator decide my petition to them regarding membership is resolved in my favor. Of course we could also be putting our time into position related to the upcoming IGC consultation. avri On 4 Feb 2012, at 11:03, devonrb at gmail.com wrote: > So why not put all the procedures mentioned here in one document and then we can review and agree on a final framework going forward. > Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Avri Doria > Sender: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:56:11 > To: > Reply-To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Avri Doria > Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform > > Hi Bill, > > I expect it is true of any of us who take on a public task as a volunteer that it is not heartening to have people criticize the work you did for free. Nonetheless, my experience has taught me that it is something most volunteers need to deal with. I expect that most people who do volunteer do it because there is something they think needs to be done and they think they can help do it, and that few of them do it for the kudos or praise of the of the non-volunteers. > > I think you may be mistaken over the reason this Nomcom was set up or when it was set-up. > Specifically from > >> • From: Jeremy Malcolm >> • To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> • Subject: [governance] New nomcom begins work >> • Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:40:42 +0800 > > >> The recently-appointed IGC nominating committee is about to begin work on selecting IGC nominees for the IGF MAG. > > > avri > > On 4 Feb 2012, at 05:13, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >>> >>> I thank the NomCom for their work and am sure that it was not an easy process. I am mindful that there were numerous applications and people are disappointed as we all have our preferences etc. However, the NomCom have made their decision as you can see from their email below. Their report once finalised will be published on the IGC website. >> >> One imagines it's not quite heartening for nomcom members to do a bunch of free labor for the community and then come in for immediate criticism of various kinds. If there are particular candidates who weren't selected due to unfair consideration that's one thing, although it'd be rather hard to get into a post hoc group discussion of it without risking treading on some sensitivities. Either way, the process points clearly are worth contemplating and nailing down as agree practice going forward. >> >> According to http://igcaucus.org/nomcom-process >> >> NomCom Process Details: >> >> • Whenever possible a call for volunteers for a nominating committee (nomcom) will be posted 2 months before the scheduled selection of appeals team or selection of any other list of nominees needs to be decided. >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that this wasn't done in this case, so the nomcom put in place for the WGIGF selections remained. I had to dig through old main to find the one message in which the members were listed: >> >> Ian Peter, Qusai Al-Shatti, Gurumurthy K, Hempal Shrestha, and Jacquiline Morris. However, in this cycle I saw this message from Jacquiline: >> >> From: Jacqueline Morris >> >> The NomCom that created this list consisted of Thomas and myself. >> >> Which puzzled me; what happened to the others, and who is Thomas, he wasn't listed in the prior grouping? >> >> Whenever possible, one month will be used to constitute the nomcom and determine the criteria for the selections they are to make, and one month will be used to discuss and decide on candidates. >> • At least 25 volunteers, i.e. 5 volunteers for each nomcom seat, are required for running the random process. >> • A non voting chair will be appointed by the coordinators for each nomcom with the advice of the IGC membership. In order to serve as a chair, it is recommended that a person has served in at least one nomcom previously. >> >> Again, I believe this was done for the noncom for WGIGF but not for this one. >> >> • All nomcom participants, voting and non voting, will be disqualified from selection as candidates for the list or team being chosen. Members of the current appeals team will also be disqualified from being chosen. >> >> Should we do a revision, I would add to this that nomcom members who work directly with a candidate should recuse themselves from such discussions. I don't know whether that happened with the WGIGF selection process, when it should have. >> >> • Criteria used by nomcom will be made public and will be reviewed by the caucus whenever possible before decisions are made >> >> Done long ago for MAG but that text should have been unearthed and followed. >> >> • All candidates reviewed by nomcom will be made public as will their applications and other information >> >> Memory may be failing me, but I believe this was the practice in earlier MAG app rounds and could easily have been followed here. >> >> • The nomcom chair will put out a report after the selection giving a description of the internal processes used in the selection. >> >> Pending >> >> • Each nomcom will be selected for a specific decision and will be disbanded after the decision is made. >> >> If so, then the WGIGF nomcom was gone and I don't recall how we ended up with a nomcom of apparently two people thereafter. >> >> However, in special cases where several different nominating committees would need to be completed in a shortened time frame that did not allow for multiple nominating committees, the co-coordinators may jointly request one nominating committee to fill several functions. >> >> Did that perhaps happen? >> >> • There is no limit on the number of nomcoms an individual may serve on. >> >> Unless we have a strong conviction that agreed processes were not followed and that in consequence this (mis)shaped the selection process in a manner that was prejudicial to certain applicants, I wouldn't see the purpose of doing an appeal process and then confusing UN NY in a couple weeks with a message asking them to disregard the names submitted, here's a new list (if that were the outcome). Probably would not build CS credibility, and might make us the particular focus of WGIGF discussions on the need to clarify procedures. But clearly we should take the opportunity to tweak the charter language and to ensure that future noncoms are fully compliant with each step that's been laid down… >> >> Best, >> >> Bill > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sat Feb 4 12:33:04 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 09:33:04 -0800 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for this Marilla but I'm a bit unsure as to the status of what you have quoted below and what role if any the IGC can or should play in this. As i was going through the points and thinking of responses/positions a few things jumped out at me... the sheer complexity of the issues that are being addressed. While many of them are part of the on-going discourse in a variety of academic disciplines and within the broader CS community to a considerable degree the Internet "changes everything" :) that is, the Internet/ICTs changes the nature and impact of a lot of traditional governance issues/approaches/strategies. I don't know that those have been very well-worked out partly because ICTs are such a work in progress (mGov anyone?) but issues like "transparency", and organization and governance of a CS "caucus" need very much to be thought through in our current if evolving environment. the significane of what is being discussed and to a degree "decided" upon here. To some extent (it's hard to know the degree) these discussions/developments around IG and the IGF are providing a model for broader developments in governance in an Internet era. This gives discussions on these issues a significance rather beyond the immediate planning/staging of the IGC or IGF. What this tells me, and particularly from a CS perspective is that we as CS in the context of the IGC need to step back a bit and enter into a more deliberate process of reflection and positon development on these very important issues. I'm wondering if funds couldn't be found to stage an online/offline event to discuss these issues and to help to formulate a CS position on these. (Note that the OECD counterpart to the IGC has now obtained limited but useful funding from Soros/OSI. Best, Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Marilia Maciel Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:42 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Anriette Esterhuysen Subject: Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] Congratulations to the tentative list of nominees. Thanks to NomCom for performing this important task and thanks in advance for the report they are producing. As you know, one of the topics that are being discussed in the WG on IGF improvements is precisely the process for nominating MAG members and the role of MAG. MAG will have an even more fundamental role in a strengthened IGF and the next group of selected MAG members will be invited to find concrete mechanisms to give shape to some of the suggestions for improvement that will come out of the WG. That is to say that, in my view, the next group of MAG members will be appointed in a crucial moment. It is very important that they are supported by the community and that they are able to reverberate this support and legitimacy. The selection process is important on this regard, as it puts in place an important cornerstone. This is why this process needs to be documented and that the parameters for selection need to be made clear. The WG has been discussing parameters for the selection of MAG and also some of the responsibilities of MAG members. I reproduce below a compilation (rough text) of points raised by the WG about the MAG, not only as a contribution for the report of the NomCom (if some of these topics could be covered in their report, it would be great, as we would be walking the talk), but also for discussion. From this thread I am sure that this topic is a concern of the community, and it would be great to have feedback about what is being discussed in the WG about it. The report will probably be structured with broad agreements as "headlines", further detailed on more specific proposals. Marília B.II – MAG Broad agreement on the need to rotate MAG members regularly, keep MAG meetings transparent Broad agreement on the openness and transparency of MAG meetings - The MAG should open its meeting to observers and make its proceedings available in the form of a live text streaming. This verbatim record is available on the IGF Web site. This proceeding is recommended for future meetings in order to enhance the openness and transparency of its work. - Rotation of the MAG members, with one third rotated every year, should be preserved, with a three-year limit to each member’s term in order to provide opportunities to all interested participants and to ensure fair representation Broad agreement that the constitution of the MAG should be done in a transparent and documented fashion Broad agreement on the transparency of the self-management by each stakeholder group - In light of transparency, stakeholder groups should publicise their selection process and should identify the process that works best for their own culture and methods of engagement - Selection of any stakeholder group may not be confined to be mediated through any one particular body. - The selection would be based on proposed candidate lists made by the three non-governmental stakeholder groups. The stakeholder groups are encouraged to nominate a sufficiently large slate of candidates to provide some flexibility in selection of MAG members and are asked to ensure appropriate gender balance - One possibility mentioned by the MAG group itself last November: - A form of 'triage' that would be used to ensure appropriate geographical balance among MAG members. This 'triage' could be carried out by a trusted group of former non-governmental MAG members, perhaps including some MAG members who are being rotated out. This trusted group would work in active consultation with the respective stakeholder groups. The recommendation would then be submitted to the Secretary-General for approval. One proposal was that the list of all MAG nominees to be submitted to the Secretary-General should be published on the IGF website. - Another selection process was mentioned capturing the essence of the NomCom idea, or we better call it "selection committee" to avoid confusion with existing systems in other organizations. - The selection Committee members, appointed by the IGF Chair, should be drawn fairly from representatives of stakeholders across the different regions and constituencies. Preferably, the Selection Committee would include experts with wide-ranging knowledge of Internet governance, previous experience of program preparation and strong links to various stakeholder groups. This Selection Committee would select candidates for the MAG ensuring balanced representation of geographical distribution, gender and the wide range of stakeholders. The final selection of candidates should be submitted to the UN Secretary-General for final approval. Open and transparent selection process and working process Broad agreement that the MAG needs a clear Terms of Reference. Requirements for MAG members: Potential stakeholder representatives should represent groups’ or constituencies’ interest and not private interests. Selected members should present: - Proven ability to work as a team member - Active participation in the IGF process - Extensive linkages within one's own stakeholder group and, if possible, to other stakeholder groups - Experience and expertise in Internet governance issues Responsibilities of MAG members: - Attend three meetings in Geneva per year; Participate in the yearly global meeting; - Participate in inter-sessional work; - Make outreach to wider community, including national and regional IGF type initiatives and bring other networks into the MAG; - Bring in comments from the community; - Explain recommendations to the community. - Willingness to commit to work and follow through Responsibilities of the MAG as a whole: - guidelines on actual tour of duty (length of service, rotations, performance criteria such as removal/replacement of MAG members that do not participate) - Develop the detailed programme including the identification of issues of concern; - Selecting workshops and other meetings; - Defining how best to plan and organize the meetings; - Organizing main sessions and where necessary participate in dedicated thematic working groups; - Establishing linkages between workshops and main sessions; - Facilitating the organization of workshops; - Coordinating panels and supporting panellists, moderators and speakers at the annual meeting; - Liaising with their respective communities; -Publishing reports. - Additional outreach with other organizations and in conjunction with secretariat Miscellaneous: - Giving idea of MAG selection process, keep it a dynamic committee. - Consider the role of the MAG in the context of an evolving IGF and in the context of IGF improvements and the recommendations for IGF improvements. - Consider relationships between the MAG and secretariat--roles and responsibilities - Consider the role of the MAG in context of IGF no longer being just a single event but rather having evolved into a process. - Consider mechanisms to enable the MAG to be more efficient. - Importance of open consultations and role of MAG as facilitator and listener of what happens in consultations, important input into the process On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Dear Parminder and all On 02/02/12 02:31, parminder wrote: > Congrats to all the nominees. A very good list. Yes.. congrats to all. > > However, independent of the results produced which I welcome and > support, I strongly agree with the sentiment of Avri's questions below. Yes, so do I. > Representativity is the central issue of democracy, and its processes > must be taken very very seriously, even if sometimes just forthe > process's sake. I may be wrong, but I seem not to have seen the kind of > openness (proactive and not just formal), transparency, out-reach effort > etc that is required for the nomination/ election activity. Things like: > we need to make repeated calls for nomination, encourage people to > nominate themselves and others, pulbicize the process and perhaps the > list of nomcom members as well, make active out reach to various CS > entities inviting nomination, keeping the list posted of all > developments, ...... > > For instance, APC I am sure will forward its own slate of names to the > IGF secretariat. They should have been invited to submit their nominees > for IGC nomcom's consideration as well (and this has happened in the > past). Parminder, we actually did submit our list of names to the IGC nomcom as we think the IGC selection is an important one. We are not sure that the IGC nomcom considered our list as did not receive any acknowledgement. One person on our list is in the IGC list: Bill Drake, and we are happy to see this. Bill has worked very hard with the MAG as a 'non-MAG' member from the beginning, and has been a strong advocate for development issues and CS interests, so I really hope he does make the MAG. The other people on our list were (as Bill posted). Carlos Afonso (Brazil) Magaly Pazello (Brazil) Shahzad Ahmad (Pakistan) Anriette Esterhuysen (South Africa) David Souter (United Kingdom /IISD) We will send these directly to the secretariat as well. Anriette Enriching our catchment of potential candidates and thus the > final list in this way greatly enhances IGC's legitimacy. And in the > civil society space legitimacy building and losing is a very live and > dynamic process. Every single act adds or takes away from it. At times, > like for the WG on IGF improvements, IGC has been considered the single > point of CS contact and representivity. We need to work hard to live up > to such a high responsibility, as mentioned by Avri. And I am really not > sure if we did in this case, though I am happy to be corrected. > > It is important to note that in the WG on IGF improvements we have been > seeking higher transparency, focussed and active out reach effort, broad > basing the pool of candidates etc for MAG selection, and we need to > practise what we preach. > > Among many other things, I also could not understand the meaning and use > of having candidates submit their information in the 'required' format > after the list of nominees is published. Isnt the required information > supposed to be submitted precisely to aid the evaluation of nominees? > > There a few other points I will like to make, but a little later... > parminder > > > > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 09:04 PM, Avri Doria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Good names all. >> >> But, >> >> What process was used? >> Was there a public call for nominations? Did I miss seeing that? >> Where are their statements? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted on the web site anywhere? >> Is there a reason for each of these selections in terms of IGC expectations? Did I miss seeing that? Are they posted somewhere? >> >> In the past we have gotten a Nomcom chair outlining everything in detail. Did I miss that? >> >> The IGC's claim to represent Civil Society in Ig is tenuous at best >> The lack of any information (or did I miss it?) on this selection risks that even further. >> >> >> avri >> >> On 1 Feb 2012, at 08:06, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> The Names that were submitted to the Coordinators by the NomCom are as follows: >>> • Lillian Nalwoga (Ms.) - Uganda >>> • Izumi AIZU (Mr) - Japan >>> • Michael Gurstein (Mr) - Canada >>> • Robert Guerra (Mr) - Canadian & European (Spain) >>> • Bill Drake (Mr) - North American (Lives in Geneva) >>> • Fatima Cambronero (Ms) - Argentina >>> • Fouad Bajwa (Mr) (current MAG member) - Pakistan >>> >>> However, these nominees were advised that failure to send their information in via the required template would mean that their names would not be sent. >>> >>> Kind Regards >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We thank the NOMCOM for selecting MAG candidates. >>> >>> In the interest of transparency, NOMCOM wrote to advise that they had completed selection of the MAG. We have yet to receive the information in the required format and an email was sent out to the potential candidates to submit their information in the template shown within the email. Potential candidates were advised that failing to have the information submitted in required format could mean that their names would not be put forward. They have been given 12 hours to respond to enable this information to be sent. >>> >>> Submission of names were to be sent on the 31st January 2012. >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat Feb 4 19:17:34 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:17:34 +0800 Subject: [governance] Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> Message-ID: <62EDBCBB-A146-44F6-95F7-1E8CA358969D@ciroap.org> On 05/02/2012, at 1:04 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > BTW, I should note that since I only signed the membership pledge that is a part of the elections process in the last election, but did not actually vote for anyone, since I was objecting to the lack of a non of the above option, I have been judged a non-member by a previous co-coordinator. I would still argue that any amendments should be done according to the process defined in the charter. > > Of course this means that by that judgement I am also no longer a member of the non-appeals team since I am no longer a member. Why should it mean that? You still have a voter account, hence are still a member for all purposes other than voting on charter amendments. The Charter only says that "everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter", it doesn't say that they are not members for other purposes. But agreed that we need to work on the charter, anyway. There is a group of 8 (including you) who have joined a mailing list to put together some proposed amendments to the charter, and anyone else can join that list too: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/charter We should get started now, I guess. I'll put together some suggestions and post them there within the next 48 hours. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 The global voice for consumers: www.consumersinternational.org Connect with CI: Twitter @ConsumersInt | http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Help CI stay in touch: please also add ConsumersInternational at sut1.co.uk to your safe sender list Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat Feb 4 19:22:28 2012 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:22:28 +0800 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87E8122C-D445-4E58-9D28-A75B8F40E907@ciroap.org> On 05/02/2012, at 1:33 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > What this tells me, and particularly from a CS perspective is that we as CS in the context of the IGC need to step back a bit and enter into a more deliberate process of reflection and positon development on these very important issues. > > I'm wondering if funds couldn't be found to stage an online/offline event to discuss these issues and to help to formulate a CS position on these. (Note that the OECD counterpart to the IGC has now obtained limited but useful funding from Soros/OSI. When I stepped down I promised to look into funding options for the IGC, and I approached two funders about it, both of whom responded that they were not interested in receiving a funding proposal from the IGC at present. This doesn't mean we couldn't try again if we had a particular activity to fund, such as this online/offline event of which you speak. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 The global voice for consumers: www.consumersinternational.org Connect with CI: Twitter @ConsumersInt | http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational Help CI stay in touch: please also add ConsumersInternational at sut1.co.uk to your safe sender list Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sat Feb 4 20:30:56 2012 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:30:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [governance] Nomcom reform Message-ID: <1328405456.897.yint-ygo-j2me@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear Jeremy, May I ask that, why the option of ballot to opt non-of-above feature require modification to the charter? Charter does not stop or speak against. For instance; if any of the voter member asked this option, you could add in the eBallot, by using Check Box instead of Radio Buttons and Voter could submit without selecting any of the listed candidate. Now it is your decision, or appeal team consideration that do you discard this ballot casting or count as against listed candidate. As I know the Ballot Design is not included in the Charter. However, if you do not consider member's request, charter amendment could support members to convince the coordinator. Thanks Imran ------------------------------On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 5:17 AM PKT Jeremy Malcolm wrote:>On 05/02/2012, at 1:04 AM, Avri Doria wrote:>>> BTW, I should note that since I only signed the membership pledge that is a part of the elections process in the last election, but did not actually vote for anyone, since I was objecting to the lack of a non of the above option, I have been judged a non-member by a previous co-coordinator. I would still argue that any amendments should be done according to the process defined in the charter.>> >> Of course this means that by that judgement I am also no longer a member of the non-appeals team since I am no longer a member.>>Why should it mean that? You still have a voter account, hence are still a member for all purposes other than voting on charter amendments. The Charter only says that "everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter", it doesn't say that they are not members for other purposes.>>But agreed that we need to work on the charter, anyway. There is a group of 8 (including you) who have joined a mailing list to put together some proposed amendments to the charter, and anyone else can join that list too:>>http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/charter>>We should get started now, I guess. I'll put together some suggestions and post them there within the next 48 hours.>>-- >Dr Jeremy Malcolm>Project Coordinator>Consumers International>Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599>>The global voice for consumers: www.consumersinternational.org>Connect with CI: Twitter @ConsumersInt | http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational>Help CI stay in touch: please also add ConsumersInternational at sut1.co.uk to your safe sender list>Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary.>> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sat Feb 4 21:20:12 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:20:12 -0500 Subject: [governance] Membership criteria was Re: [] Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <62EDBCBB-A146-44F6-95F7-1E8CA358969D@ciroap.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> <62EDBCBB-A146-44F6-95F7-1E8CA358969D@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <1A5F5D67-E6D4-43C8-8336-D2ECB019A8C8@acm.org> On 4 Feb 2012, at 19:17, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> >> BTW, I should note that since I only signed the membership pledge that is a part of the elections process in the last election, but did not actually vote for anyone, since I was objecting to the lack of a non of the above option, I have been judged a non-member by a previous co-coordinator. I would still argue that any amendments should be done according to the process defined in the charter. >> >> Of course this means that by that judgement I am also no longer a member of the non-appeals team since I am no longer a member. > > Why should it mean that? You still have a voter account, hence are still a member for all purposes other than voting on charter amendments. The Charter only says that "everyone who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending the charter", it doesn't say that they are not members for other purposes. So by that reasoning there is: - Members qualified to amend the charter by virtue of having voted - Members qualified for roles by virtue of "who subscribe to the charter of the caucus. " - List non-members by virtue of NOT "who subscribe to the charter of the caucus. " If that is the case, then the membership page should probably reflect those 3 categories as opposed to the two categories it does now. One thing that would lead to needing amendment to avoid confusion would be: > The members of the IGC are individuals, acting in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus. All members are equal and have the same rights and duties. > Since this does not seem to allow for two types of members. It could be amended simply just with: All members are equal and have the same rights and duties unless specified otherwise in this Charter. Or There is just one type of membership so the prevailing condition is that one that requires having voted. This seems to be reflected in the two position membership lists currently posted on the web site. This one can be upheld without amending the charter and seems to be reflected in current practice. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 10:01:36 2012 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:01:36 -0200 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> ** >> >> Thanks for this Marilla but I'm a bit unsure as to the status of what >> you have quoted below and what role if any the IGC can or should play in >> this. >> >> Hi Mike, this is a summary of the broad agreements that IGF WG > participants reached regarding MAG, based on proposals that have been > advanced by the WG members themselves and also by a larger group of > interested people (there was an open consultation some time ago, between > the first and the second meetings of the WG). The text of the report of the > WG will be drafted during the next meeting, in February. It means that it > is not carved in stone yet, and that adjustments can be made. This is why I > believe it would be so important to receive feedback as soon as possible. > > I agree with you when you mention the potential of IG/IGF arrangements to > influence and to help shaping governance in a broader sense, and I agree > that we should promote a more organized, constant and consistent debate > about these issues. The report from the WG needs to be finalized in May, so > I am not sure if it is realistic to try to find funding to carry out an > event with the specific purpose of discussing improvements with the report > in mind. Of course, we should use online channels and take advantage of the > opportunities we have to meet face to face, such as open consultations, to > discuss and improve the suggestions that are currently on the table. > > Nevertheless, regardless of the WG, there are ongoing debates that CS > should be involved (and maybe could even proactively push forward) such as > the one about IG principles. Wolfgang wrote to the list a couple of times > about the importance of a CS initiative to look into current proposals of > regulatory principles, and try to find points of coherence, with view to an > harmonization. I would strongly support the pursuit of this goal. > > Best, > Marília > >> >> >> -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <87E8122C-D445-4E58-9D28-A75B8F40E907@ciroap.org> References: <87E8122C-D445-4E58-9D28-A75B8F40E907@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <7F4C1E11-1196-4814-BF3B-FC1496220F39@privaterra.org> Dear Nomcom, It is an honour to have been shortlisted as one of the possible IGF candidates to the MAG. Thank you! Having served on the NOMCON in the past, I appreciate the effort and time you put into your work. Jeremy & Michael, There are a variety of different approaches one can take to seek funding to enhance CS participation at the IGF. One approach is to engage donors to fund the IGC caucus directly the other is to have the donors fund NGOs that are active in IG issues. Until the caucus is formally established as a separate entity, the only viable option - for now - is to work with existing NGOs. Even if the IC were established, we'd also need to find volunteers willing and able to deal with the administrative requirements . While finding funds isn't easy, it is possible. It just requires one to explore options and from there be persistent about it. I say this from personal experience as over the last two years I was able to identify key govts governments, foundations and yes - private sector companies - who were willing and able to fund free expression and human rights activists to attend the Asia Regional IGF, the annual IGF in 2010 and 2011. As I mentioned in my MAG candidate statement, I will try my best to coordinate efforts with other stakeholders to help identify and seek funding to help build the CS capacity and participation at the upcoming IGFs. I commit to do so regardless weather I get appointed to the MAG or not. It not an easy task, but one i'll try to help with best I can.. regards Robert On 2012-02-04, at 7:22 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 05/02/2012, at 1:33 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > >> What this tells me, and particularly from a CS perspective is that we as CS in the context of the IGC need to step back a bit and enter into a more deliberate process of reflection and positon development on these very important issues. >> >> I'm wondering if funds couldn't be found to stage an online/offline event to discuss these issues and to help to formulate a CS position on these. (Note that the OECD counterpart to the IGC has now obtained limited but useful funding from Soros/OSI. > > When I stepped down I promised to look into funding options for the IGC, and I approached two funders about it, both of whom responded that they were not interested in receiving a funding proposal from the IGC at present. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Feb 5 11:57:58 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:27:58 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: Nomcom reform In-Reply-To: <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> References: <1FE36898-CAA8-4621-83A2-5546F99D777A@acm.org> <8432BA9A-02B5-4BEF-8421-C93BB11337EA@acm.org> <1016541347-1328371427-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-954942390-@b14.c1.bise6.blackberry> <4C2B5CAA-7D96-4C86-AE99-FC7628915BE2@acm.org> Message-ID: <4F2EB516.7030602@itforchange.net> Dear Coordinators/ All I propose that we do at least a part of this discussion on the issues that some may have with the process adopted by the present nomcom on a closed IGC members only list. And for this purpose, of course, I propose that such a list be created. While most of our discussion should indeed take place here in the open, and this includes discussions regarding nomcom reforms, it will be useful to take some of the discussion to a closed members list. We may not want to be too deeply questioning the legitimacy of our, I mean IGC's, own position and legitimacy in the open, and we know that such questions do open up as a part of such discussions. One also feels that IGC members will be able to give better attention to such organisational issues without the general noise of the ongoing discussions of the IGC list. Also, maybe, members will also feel more responsible to contribute to resolution of organisational matters in such a closed list. (I feel that there is a considerably reduced level of engagement of IGC members, at least in terms of a sustained purposeful engagement, with organisational as well as advocacy issues. It is possible that a pulling together of the members into a closed group for some core functions will enlist greater sense of responsiblity and thus engagement. But this is only a conjecture.) Such a list has other uses as well, for focussed and purposeful advocacy, especially when it involves tactical considerations. I wrote a report of the last meeting of WG on improvements to the IGF summing up my assessment of where things stand at present, the stances of the key actors, the important issues and battle-lines, my expectations from the final meeting later this month, and my assessment of what strategies civil society should adopt. I had meant to post this report to the IGC list but then thought the better of it. I would be much more comfortable submitting it to a closed members only list because the work of the WG is poised at a delicate point, and so, well, you understand.... Parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There have been unfortunately very few discussions on the RPKI in the various governance meetings, probably because it is a practical issue. A good summary and introduction to the possible political consequences of the RPKI is still . -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 12:50:15 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 09:50:15 -0800 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection Process, Funding & General comments... In-Reply-To: <7F4C1E11-1196-4814-BF3B-FC1496220F39@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <66932CF52B354D0ABA396294644A1534@UserVAIO> Robert, There are, as you know, a number of separate issues involved in IGC funding of which funding for IGF participation is only one and perhaps not even the most pressing. To my mind funding for participation in the MAG is of more direct concern since in that instance where policy decisions concerning the IGF are presumably being made one would not want individual participation to be dependent on access to outside funding with all that that might or might not entail. My issue of funding was concerned with how to make the IGC more effective in its role including broadening the base of participation and particularly around supporting the IGC in working through an effective and appropriate response to the IGF operating principles and practices which Marilla shared with us. I see those principles as a very significant inflection point, with the IGF moving towards a much higher degree of formalization in the mode of its operation and I personally would want for a number of reasons that that formalization be as well thought through and as reflective of CS principles and aspirations as possible. Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:21 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] MAG Selection Process, Funding & General comments... Dear Nomcom, It is an honour to have been shortlisted as one of the possible IGF candidates to the MAG. Thank you! Having served on the NOMCON in the past, I appreciate the effort and time you put into your work. Jeremy & Michael, There are a variety of different approaches one can take to seek funding to enhance CS participation at the IGF. One approach is to engage donors to fund the IGC caucus directly the other is to have the donors fund NGOs that are active in IG issues. Until the caucus is formally established as a separate entity, the only viable option - for now - is to work with existing NGOs. Even if the IC were established, we'd also need to find volunteers willing and able to deal with the administrative requirements . While finding funds isn't easy, it is possible. It just requires one to explore options and from there be persistent about it. I say this from personal experience as over the last two years I was able to identify key govts governments, foundations and yes - private sector companies - who were willing and able to fund free expression and human rights activists to attend the Asia Regional IGF, the annual IGF in 2010 and 2011. As I mentioned in my MAG candidate statement, I will try my best to coordinate efforts with other stakeholders to help identify and seek funding to help build the CS capacity and participation at the upcoming IGFs. I commit to do so regardless weather I get appointed to the MAG or not. It not an easy task, but one i'll try to help with best I can.. regards Robert On 2012-02-04, at 7:22 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: On 05/02/2012, at 1:33 AM, michael gurstein wrote: What this tells me, and particularly from a CS perspective is that we as CS in the context of the IGC need to step back a bit and enter into a more deliberate process of reflection and positon development on these very important issues. I'm wondering if funds couldn't be found to stage an online/offline event to discuss these issues and to help to formulate a CS position on these. (Note that the OECD counterpart to the IGC has now obtained limited but useful funding from Soros/OSI. When I stepped down I promised to look into funding options for the IGC, and I approached two funders about it, both of whom responded that they were not interested in receiving a funding proposal from the IGC at present. This doesn't mean we couldn't try again if we had a particular activity to fund, such as this online/offline event of which you speak. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 13:45:09 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:45:09 +1300 Subject: [governance] Draft Evaluation for the purposes of creating a Strategic Coordination Plan [Call for feedback] Message-ID: Dear All, We are *pleased* that there have been numerous suggestions for improvement from seeking funding, NomCom reforms, reviewing the Charter, creation of mailing lists, consolidation of rules and procedures. The Coordinators met on the 30th January, 2012 and one of the Agenda Item was the creation of a modest Strategic Development Plan or a Coordination to evaluate our functionality which specifically is the level of alignment to our Charter etc. The Vision, Mission and Objectives are imported from the Charter although in text below, I have numbered them to make it easy for people to comment etc. We can also conduct discussions wiki style on the website. We also noted that the various working groups on the IGC list are inactive based on the IGC Nairobi Face to Face meeting. These include the following:- 1. IGC Outreach Working Group; 2. IGC Strategy Working Group; 3. IGC Work Plan Working Group; 4. IGC Charter Review Working Group; 5. IGC Working Group for CSTD issues. We have the option of reviving these groups. We also have the option of creating new groups but it will need volunteers to be actively involved to drive these Groups. The excellent work that was developed through this list and headed by Norbert Bollow in terms of Internet Governance Mapping has paved a pathway to enable us to strategically discuss and assess our levels of engagement and how we are meeting Charter objectives. As such, kindly find the Charter vision, mission and objectives listed for your view. [This is available from Source: http://www.igcaucus.org/charter ] Jeremy Malcolm has built an etherpad into our website to enable us to put thoughts and craft something together. For now, let us know what you think. *IGC Strategic Coordination Plan* *VISION:* The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. *MISSION:* The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of civil society contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus intends to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes. *Evaluation* - means to evaluate current work done by the IGC through its various sub groups etc *No.* *Objectives* Evaluation Comments 1 Inform civil society and other progressive groups/actors on significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. 2 Provide a context for open on line and, wherever and whenever possible, face-to-face debate on the range of issues related to Internet governance policies from a civil society perspective. 3 Develop an on-going and outcome oriented structure. Create informal relationships with various CS groups and individuals with a direct interest in Internet governance policies, including those involved in human rights, ICT4D, intellectual property, international trade and global electronic commerce, access to knowledge, and security. 4a Provide outreach to other CS groups who have an interest or a stake in some aspect of Internet governance polices. 4b Act as the representative of itself, and other CS constituencies with similar interests, generally or on specific issues, at various forums involved with Internet governance policies. 5 For the sake of the above, as well as for more general purposes, develop common positions on issues relating to Internet governance policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and for creating broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals for such positions. 6 Anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner that is informed by the stated vision of the IGC -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun Feb 5 13:57:46 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:57:46 -0500 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> Message-ID: <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Hi, Good article, nice to be reminded to read it. One of the critical points in that discussion is the Sandra Murphy quote: > > the
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> so. Today we find more efforts in the creation of various forms of circumvention. I think this has the folliwng effects: - serves as a warning for those who look to impose strictly hierarchical regimes - produces an increasing number of circumvention techniques and opportunities - increases the mindset that alternate solutions are possible and worth working on So while it may be disingenuous to contend that _anyone_ could create an alternate root or a alternate RPKI trust anchor, it is not quite as disingenuous to contend that someone could. I also agree with the point that routing is an important topic for governance discussion and that these issues deserve consideration in the IGC and in the governance discussions in general. avri On 5 Feb 2012, at 12:09, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > The 14 (!) RFC about the RPKI security system (signing of routing > announcements to avoid new PakistanTelecom vs. YouTube cases) have > been issued: RFC 6480 to 6494. > > There have been unfortunately very few discussions on the RPKI in the > various governance meetings, probably because it is a practical issue. > > A good summary and introduction to the possible political consequences > of the RPKI is still > . > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 14:06:57 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:06:57 +1300 Subject: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> Thanks for this Marilla but I'm a bit unsure as to the status of what >>> you have quoted below and what role if any the IGC can or should play in >>> this. >>> >>> > Hi Mike, this is a summary of the broad agreements that IGF WG >> participants reached regarding MAG, based on proposals that have been >> advanced by the WG members themselves and also by a larger group of >> interested people (there was an open consultation some time ago, between >> the first and the second meetings of the WG). The text of the report of the >> WG will be drafted during the next meeting, in February. It means that it >> is not carved in stone yet, and that adjustments can be made. This is why I >> believe it would be so important to receive feedback as soon as possible. >> > Marilia, I would encourage you to put the text of the WG on the website to create and generate discussion using: http://www.igcaucus.org/node/add/statement You can then alert the list that you have placed the Statement there and invite feedback. > >> I agree with you when you mention the potential of IG/IGF arrangements to >> influence and to help shaping governance in a broader sense, and I agree >> that we should promote a more organized, constant and consistent debate >> about these issues. >> > I wholeheartedly agee and the Coordinators discussed this on 30th January 2012 > The report from the WG needs to be finalized in May, so I am not sure if >> it is realistic to try to find funding to carry out an event with the >> specific purpose of discussing improvements with the report in mind. >> > I also sent a separate email to the list in relation to evaluation of our functionality with respect to the Charter. > Of course, we should use online channels and take advantage of the >> opportunities we have to meet face to face, such as open consultations, to >> discuss and improve the suggestions that are currently on the table. >> > There was a suggestion made by Avri to the Coordinators which we discussed where an etherpad be available within the website to encourage consultations. Jeremy has enabled this mechanism and we have yet to test it. I invite you Marilia to discuss offline with Jeremy how you can generate feedback on the text created by the working Group. > >> Nevertheless, regardless of the WG, there are ongoing debates that CS >> should be involved (and maybe could even proactively push forward) such as >> the one about IG principles. Wolfgang wrote to the list a couple of times >> about the importance of a CS initiative to look into current proposals of >> regulatory principles, and try to find points of coherence, with view to an >> harmonization. I would strongly support the pursuit of this goal. >> > The development of Internet Governance Principles was also something that was discussed by the Coordinators on the 30th January 2012. We were exploring the concept of bottom up development of these principles and looking for volunteers from the list who are involved within the various regional and national internet governance forums to dedicate one hour slots in their regional or national IGFs to generate discussion and put together what they think should be Internet Governance principles. > >> Best, >> Marília >> >>> >>> >>> -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Etherpad, assuming it works properly, not only allows for both synchronized cooperation that allows multiple individuals to edit and chat at the same time, it also allow for asynchronous cooperation. Wiki tend to be more access controlled, do not function well with synchronized or overlapping edits but allow for better final document production where there is a smaller editing group. Wiki's also tend to provide better formatting capabilities. I tend to see a progression of effort something like: - Anyone in IGC is free to contribute to an Etherpad that serves as the bottom up contribution part of any effort - getting down all of the various positions. 'Events' can be scheduled like a 48 period when anyone who cares goes to the pad and contributes. - once the ideas are down, a smaller group can move something to a wiki and start crafting the language, the wordsmithing part of an effort. Anyone can still comment, but editing ability get narrowed. - near consensus can be reached on the mailing list and if necessary the voting mechanism can be used to nail down contentious issues. I.e. different Interent tools for different parts of the process, but still leaving things open. In terms of the perennial problem of bothering people who are not interested in a topic with email they don't care about, I suggest we make better use of subject labels and appropriate. While I can live with list proliferation it does decrease bottom-up participation. In terms of Parminder's suggestion of a members only list, I ask: - what do we mean by members - is this to be a secret list - without an open archive. I would be troubled by this. avri On 5 Feb 2012, at 13:45, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Dear All, > > We are pleased that there have been numerous suggestions for improvement from seeking funding, NomCom reforms, reviewing the Charter, creation of mailing lists, consolidation of rules and procedures. > > The Coordinators met on the 30th January, 2012 and one of the Agenda Item was the creation of a modest Strategic Development Plan or a Coordination to evaluate our functionality which specifically is the level of alignment to our Charter etc. The Vision, Mission and Objectives are imported from the Charter although in text below, I have numbered them to make it easy for people to comment etc. > > We can also conduct discussions wiki style on the website. We also noted that the various working groups on the IGC list are inactive based on the IGC Nairobi Face to Face meeting. These include the following:- > • IGC Outreach Working Group; > • IGC Strategy Working Group; > • IGC Work Plan Working Group; > • IGC Charter Review Working Group; > • IGC Working Group for CSTD issues. > > We have the option of reviving these groups. We also have the option of creating new groups but it will need volunteers to be actively involved to drive these Groups. > > > The excellent work that was developed through this list and headed by Norbert Bollow in terms of Internet Governance Mapping has paved a pathway to enable us to strategically discuss and assess our levels of engagement and how we are meeting Charter objectives. As such, kindly find the Charter vision, mission and objectives listed for your view. [This is available from Source: http://www.igcaucus.org/charter ] > > Jeremy Malcolm has built an etherpad into our website to enable us to put thoughts and craft something together. For now, let us know what you think. > IGC Strategic Coordination Plan > VISION: The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. > MISSION: The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of civil society contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus intends to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes. > Evaluation - means to evaluate current work done by the IGC through its various sub groups etc > No. Objectives Evaluation Comments > 1 Inform civil society and other progressive groups/actors on significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. > 2 Provide a context for open on line and, wherever and whenever possible, face-to-face debate on the range of issues related to Internet governance policies from a civil society perspective. > 3 Develop an on-going and outcome oriented structure. Create informal relationships with various CS groups and individuals with a direct interest in Internet governance policies, including those involved in human rights, ICT4D, intellectual property, international trade and global electronic commerce, access to knowledge, and security. > 4a Provide outreach to other CS groups who have an interest or a stake in some aspect of Internet governance polices. > 4b Act as the representative of itself, and other CS constituencies with similar interests, generally or on specific issues, at various forums involved with Internet governance policies. > 5 For the sake of the above, as well as for more general purposes, develop common positions on issues relating to Internet governance policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and for creating broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals for such positions. > 6 Anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner that is informed by the stated vision of the IGC > > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 14:31:07 2012 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:31:07 +1300 Subject: [governance] Draft Evaluation for the purposes of creating a Strategic Coordination Plan [Call for feedback] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, There is a need to divert discussions to either the wiki or etherpad. Parminder and Avri, would you be interested in volunteering to put together a flowchart or text on how we can better make use of the etherpad and wiki. This will have to compatible with our website's capacity and if you accept to assist in this regard will need to work with Jeremy who handles our website.If there are others who want to volunteer, let us know. Kind Regards, Sala On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > I tend to support remaining with a single email list and using etherpad > and wiki for caucus work. > > Etherpad, assuming it works properly, not only allows for both > synchronized cooperation that allows multiple individuals to edit and chat > at the same time, it also allow for asynchronous cooperation. Wiki tend to > be more access controlled, do not function well with synchronized or > overlapping edits but allow for better final document production where > there is a smaller editing group. Wiki's also tend to provide better > formatting capabilities. I tend to see a progression of effort something > like: > > - Anyone in IGC is free to contribute to an Etherpad that serves as the > bottom up contribution part of any effort - getting down all of the various > positions. 'Events' can be scheduled like a 48 period when anyone who > cares goes to the pad and contributes. > > - once the ideas are down, a smaller group can move something to a wiki > and start crafting the language, the wordsmithing part of an effort. > Anyone can still comment, but editing ability get narrowed. > > - near consensus can be reached on the mailing list and if necessary the > voting mechanism can be used to nail down contentious issues. > I.e. different Interent tools for different parts of the process, but > still leaving things open. > > In terms of the perennial problem of bothering people who are not > interested in a topic with email they don't care about, I suggest we make > better use of subject labels and appropriate. While I can live with list > proliferation it does decrease bottom-up participation. > > In terms of Parminder's suggestion of a members only list, I ask: > > - what do we mean by members > - is this to be a secret list - without an open archive. I would be > troubled by this. > > avri > > > On 5 Feb 2012, at 13:45, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > We are pleased that there have been numerous suggestions for improvement > from seeking funding, NomCom reforms, reviewing the Charter, creation of > mailing lists, consolidation of rules and procedures. > > > > The Coordinators met on the 30th January, 2012 and one of the Agenda > Item was the creation of a modest Strategic Development Plan or a > Coordination to evaluate our functionality which specifically is the level > of alignment to our Charter etc. The Vision, Mission and Objectives are > imported from the Charter although in text below, I have numbered them to > make it easy for people to comment etc. > > > > We can also conduct discussions wiki style on the website. We also noted > that the various working groups on the IGC list are inactive based on the > IGC Nairobi Face to Face meeting. These include the following:- > > • IGC Outreach Working Group; > > • IGC Strategy Working Group; > > • IGC Work Plan Working Group; > > • IGC Charter Review Working Group; > > • IGC Working Group for CSTD issues. > > > > We have the option of reviving these groups. We also have the option of > creating new groups but it will need volunteers to be actively involved to > drive these Groups. > > > > > > The excellent work that was developed through this list and headed by > Norbert Bollow in terms of Internet Governance Mapping has paved a pathway > to enable us to strategically discuss and assess our levels of engagement > and how we are meeting Charter objectives. As such, kindly find the Charter > vision, mission and objectives listed for your view. [This is available > from Source: http://www.igcaucus.org/charter ] > > > > Jeremy Malcolm has built an etherpad into our website to enable us to > put thoughts and craft something together. For now, let us know what you > think. > > IGC Strategic Coordination Plan > > VISION: The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the > development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of > internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, > cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is > that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and > development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to > Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which > better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. > > MISSION: The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to > provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of > civil society contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus > intends to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share > opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to > provide a mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization > and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy > processes. > > Evaluation - means to evaluate current work done by the IGC through its > various sub groups etc > > No. Objectives Evaluation Comments > > 1 Inform civil society and other progressive groups/actors on > significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. > > 2 Provide a context for open on line and, wherever and whenever > possible, face-to-face debate on the range of issues related to Internet > governance policies from a civil society perspective. > > 3 Develop an on-going and outcome oriented structure. Create > informal relationships with various CS groups and individuals with a direct > interest in Internet governance policies, including those involved in human > rights, ICT4D, intellectual property, international trade and global > electronic commerce, access to knowledge, and security. > > 4a Provide outreach to other CS groups who have an interest or a > stake in some aspect of Internet governance polices. > > 4b Act as the representative of itself, and other CS constituencies > with similar interests, generally or on specific issues, at various forums > involved with Internet governance policies. > > 5 For the sake of the above, as well as for more general purposes, > develop common positions on issues relating to Internet governance > policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and for creating > broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals for such > positions. > > 6 Anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of > Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner that > is informed by the stated vision of the IGC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Sun Feb 5 14:52:33 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 14:52:33 -0500 Subject: [governance] Draft Evaluation for the purposes of creating a Strategic Coordination Plan [Call for feedback] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi, A flowchart? Beyond the 3 step I mentioned in my note? Are you looking for pictures? But sure, whatever is needed. I just did not know that the co-cooridinators had decided to go ahead with supporting the Etherpad yet. Once it is made fully available, I will be sure to enter a few of the topics I see as needing further discussions into an etherpad. And I will contribute to those pads and wikis started by others (-: assuming I have an opinion on the subject). avri On 5 Feb 2012, at 14:31, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > Hi, > > There is a need to divert discussions to either the wiki or etherpad. Parminder and Avri, would you be interested in volunteering to put > together a flowchart or text on how we can better make use of the etherpad and wiki. This will have to compatible with our website's capacity and if you accept > to assist in this regard will need to work with Jeremy who handles our website.If there are others who want to volunteer, let us know. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > I tend to support remaining with a single email list and using etherpad and wiki for caucus work. > > Etherpad, assuming it works properly, not only allows for both synchronized cooperation that allows multiple individuals to edit and chat at the same time, it also allow for asynchronous cooperation. Wiki tend to be more access controlled, do not function well with synchronized or overlapping edits but allow for better final document production where there is a smaller editing group. Wiki's also tend to provide better formatting capabilities. I tend to see a progression of effort something like: > > - Anyone in IGC is free to contribute to an Etherpad that serves as the bottom up contribution part of any effort - getting down all of the various positions. 'Events' can be scheduled like a 48 period when anyone who cares goes to the pad and contributes. > > - once the ideas are down, a smaller group can move something to a wiki and start crafting the language, the wordsmithing part of an effort. Anyone can still comment, but editing ability get narrowed. > > - near consensus can be reached on the mailing list and if necessary the voting mechanism can be used to nail down contentious issues. > I.e. different Interent tools for different parts of the process, but still leaving things open. > > In terms of the perennial problem of bothering people who are not interested in a topic with email they don't care about, I suggest we make better use of subject labels and appropriate. While I can live with list proliferation it does decrease bottom-up participation. > > In terms of Parminder's suggestion of a members only list, I ask: > > - what do we mean by members > - is this to be a secret list - without an open archive. I would be troubled by this. > > avri > > > On 5 Feb 2012, at 13:45, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > We are pleased that there have been numerous suggestions for improvement from seeking funding, NomCom reforms, reviewing the Charter, creation of mailing lists, consolidation of rules and procedures. > > > > The Coordinators met on the 30th January, 2012 and one of the Agenda Item was the creation of a modest Strategic Development Plan or a Coordination to evaluate our functionality which specifically is the level of alignment to our Charter etc. The Vision, Mission and Objectives are imported from the Charter although in text below, I have numbered them to make it easy for people to comment etc. > > > > We can also conduct discussions wiki style on the website. We also noted that the various working groups on the IGC list are inactive based on the IGC Nairobi Face to Face meeting. These include the following:- > > • IGC Outreach Working Group; > > • IGC Strategy Working Group; > > • IGC Work Plan Working Group; > > • IGC Charter Review Working Group; > > • IGC Working Group for CSTD issues. > > > > We have the option of reviving these groups. We also have the option of creating new groups but it will need volunteers to be actively involved to drive these Groups. > > > > > > The excellent work that was developed through this list and headed by Norbert Bollow in terms of Internet Governance Mapping has paved a pathway to enable us to strategically discuss and assess our levels of engagement and how we are meeting Charter objectives. As such, kindly find the Charter vision, mission and objectives listed for your view. [This is available from Source: http://www.igcaucus.org/charter ] > > > > Jeremy Malcolm has built an etherpad into our website to enable us to put thoughts and craft something together. For now, let us know what you think. > > IGC Strategic Coordination Plan > > VISION: The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. > > MISSION: The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of civil society contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus intends to provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization and influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes. > > Evaluation - means to evaluate current work done by the IGC through its various sub groups etc > > No. Objectives Evaluation Comments > > 1 Inform civil society and other progressive groups/actors on significant developments impacting on Internet governance policies. > > 2 Provide a context for open on line and, wherever and whenever possible, face-to-face debate on the range of issues related to Internet governance policies from a civil society perspective. > > 3 Develop an on-going and outcome oriented structure. Create informal relationships with various CS groups and individuals with a direct interest in Internet governance policies, including those involved in human rights, ICT4D, intellectual property, international trade and global electronic commerce, access to knowledge, and security. > > 4a Provide outreach to other CS groups who have an interest or a stake in some aspect of Internet governance polices. > > 4b Act as the representative of itself, and other CS constituencies with similar interests, generally or on specific issues, at various forums involved with Internet governance policies. > > 5 For the sake of the above, as well as for more general purposes, develop common positions on issues relating to Internet governance policies, and make outreach efforts both for informing and for creating broad-based support among other CS groups and individuals for such positions. > > 6 Anticipate, identify and address emerging issues in the areas of Internet governance and help shape issues and perspectives in a manner that is informed by the stated vision of the IGC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala > > Tweeter: @SalanietaT > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro > Cell: +679 998 2851 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Sun Feb 5 16:36:49 2012 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:36:49 +0200 Subject: [governance] Europe Rises Up Against ACTA Message-ID: <4F2EF671.9080304@gmail.com> Europe Rises Up Against ACTA George Washington's picture Submitted by George Washington on 02/04/2012 22:19 -0500 http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/europe-rises-against-acta?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 The widespread protests against the anti-democracy bill ACTA by the Polish people have forced Poland's prime minister to stall -- or perhaps even back out -- of the treaty. As TechDirt notes : Following the growing protests about ACTA in Europe, as well as signs of US meddling , Poland's prime minister is making it clear that Poland will not ratify ACTA for the time being , leading to speculation that the EU may not actually join ACTA. /Tusk's backtracking could spell the end of ACTA for the entire European Union. If Poland or any other EU member state, or the European Parliament itself, fails to ratify the document, it becomes null and void across the union. As it stands, there are already five member countries that have not even signed ACTA./ // /"I share the opinions of those who from the beginning said that consultations were not complete," Tusk said, according to a report in Wirtualna Polska. The 54-year-old prime minister added that a Polish rejection of ACTA is now on the table, and admitted that he had previously approached the agreement from a "20th century" perspective, due to his age. / The Slovenian ambassador to Japan has apologized to her country and her children for signing ACTA, saying she signed it because her government told her to, and "out of civic carelessness" in not bothering to understand what ACTA meant before signing it . Bulgarian and Polish MPs wore Guy Fawkes masks to protest ACTA. Again, from TechDirt : We recently pointed out that a bunch of Polish politicians wore Guy Fawkes/Anonymous masks in Parliament to protest ACTA: SO53v Europe Rises Up Against ACTA It appears that some politicians in Bulgaria thought that was a good idea, and have done the same thing : V22Lv Europe Rises Up Against ACTA Indeed, even the elderly are wearing Guy Fawkes masks in protest of ACTA: z6qZu Europe Rises Up Against ACTA European Parliamentarian Marietje Schaake writes : As a Member of the European Parliament, I very much welcome the increased attention the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) has received in the past weeks. It has taken a while for massive outcry to emerge, but we are seeing protest voices getting louder and louder. ARS Technica reports that the Greek Ministry of Justice was hacked by anonymous: The Greek Ministry of Justice had its Web site defaced by Greek and Cypriot Anonymous-affiliated hackers (a mirror of the defaced site is available here ). The hackers included a video message (now removed) complaining that the Greek government had abandoned the democratic will of its people and was instead bending to the will of the IMF and the EU. Greece is expected to accept IMF funds in an effort to allow its government to bring some semblance of sustainability to its finances, but Anonymous believes that this move will "introduce a new dictatorship upon [the Greek] people's shoulders and allow the bankers and the monarchs of the EU to enslave them both economically and politically." The defaced site itself focused on an anti-ACTA message. It warned that Greece had two weeks to "stop ACTA," and that if it failed to do so, some 300 sites would be defaced. The next targets will include both media and ministry sites, with the hackers announcing that they already had passwords for most sites and that this was "JUST the BEGINING [sic]." Swedes are out in force protesting ACTA. As The Local reports : Over 10,000 Swedes had pledged to take part in demonstrations in Stockholm and other cities on Saturday to protest against the ACTA anti-piracy legislation which is set to go before the Riksdag later this year. The demonstration, held at midday on Sergels Torg in the centre of Stockholm, featured speeches from MEPs Christian Engström of the Pirate Party, Carl Schlyter of the Green Party and Mikael Gustavsson of the Left Party. Over eleven thousand people had signed up to attend the Stockholm demonstration on Facebook by 10am on Saturday. Christian Engström told the Dagens Nyheter (DN) daily that with indications that Poland's parliament is set to reject the controversial international anti-piracy legislation, the pirate movement had wind in its sails. "1.4 million signatures have been collected through an online petition and there have been riots in Poland. There now seems to be a commitment among citizens so I feel very hopeful," he told DN. By all accounts, the number of ACTA protests in Europe is overwhelming: 7Vj5G Europe Rises Up Against ACTA But that only tells half of the story. As Pirate Party found Rick Falvinge reports : Just look at this map. I've never seen anything like it in terms of people all across Europe demanding their freedom of speech and being angry against backroom corporativist deals that steals their most basic civil liberties. *** This is not Hollywood versus Silicon Valley, as oldmedia likes to frame it. This is Hollywood versus /The People/. For decades, they have trained us to think in black and white, in good versus evil fighting for domination of the free world. And now, they've gone and put themselves in the role of evil villain. The copyright cartel thought they were battling Google. They're not. They're waging war against the people, with the help of the politicians. And we're not standing for it. We can't change the copyright cartel, but we can send a clear message to the politicians that 250 million Europeans sharing and preserving contemporary culture is /not a problem/. It is a /power base of 250 million voters/ that will /kick you out of office/ if you dare so much as touch the net. And there are visible cracks in the façade, especially seeing Poland falter and the copyright cartels visibly shaken from the SOPA defeat in the US, with the politicians having started to pay attention to what the Internet wants. *We can win this.* *Today, Sweden rallies.* List of rallies below (via Christian Engström, Member of European Parliament): * *Stockholm*: /Sergels Torg, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Göteborg*: /Götaplatsen, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Malmö*: /Stortorget, at the Karl X Gustav statue, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Helsingborg*: /at the Magnus Stenbock statue, 13:00./ [Facebook ] * *Umeå* : /Apberget, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Kalmar*: /Giraffens Köpcentrum, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Sundsvall*: /Torget, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Karlstad*: /Stora Torget, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] * *Borlänge*: /Jussi Björlings torg, 12 noon./ [Facebook ] (The observant will note that less than half of these rallies are marked on the already-impressive map of European rallies. Makes me wonder what the map would look like if all rallies were included.) Most of Europe will rally next Saturday, on February 11. That's going to be something, too. Let's give Europe the best of precursor to those rallies from Sweden that they could possibly get! As of early morning on February 4, 11,000 people have committed to coming to the Stockholm rally, with another 3,500 maybes. Those are numbers that would overfill the /Plattan/ plaza by a wide margin. I'll be at the rally in Stockholm, Sweden, and will be taking plenty of imagery and will follow up here. *UPDATE AT 1500:* *** anti ACTA stockholm Feb04 621x349 Europe Rises Up Against ACTA Rally at the Sergels Torg plaza in Stockholm, Sweden. Anna Troberg, leader of the Swedish Pirate Party, speaking (at left) and maybe 1/3 of the crowd. The turnout was like *nothing I've seen* for a February rally in Sweden. In -20°C, there were well over a thousand people protesting corporate rights over their freedom of speech; normally, you're lucky getting 50. Also, there was a very clear recurring theme among the Members of European Parliament speaking, MEPs from three different parties. They all told the story of how software patents had been defeated in Europe, followed by the crucial "amendment 138? in the Telecoms Package, which aimed to shut people off /en masse/ from the Net. Well, thanks to diligent activists and people on the inside, we managed to get as strong safeguards in place as possible against shutting people off. But the monopoly lobbyists never quit. Now they're *at it again*, this time saying that if *authorities* can't shut people off /en masse/ due to that "amendment 138?, maybe they can get *private corporations* -- the ISPs -- to do it instead through third-party liability forcing certain terms of service and wiretapping. *Hence, ACTA.* Fortunately, and this was a consistent message from all Members of European Parliament, *we have the blueprint for defeating ACTA.* We need to repeat what we did with the software patents and with the Telecoms Package. It takes hard work, it takes tons of activism, but we know exactly what to do and how to do it, and most importantly: /we know that we can win/. As the rally concluded, everybody was determined to win this fight, having heard the clear message that it takes work but is perfectly doable. *UPDATE 2*: There are more photos from Christian Engström, Member of European Parliament here . Free for any use (CC0 / Public Domain). 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Rep. La Shawn Ford (D-Chicago) introduced the bill (HB 3782 ) last spring, but the measure was recently taken up by the state legislature's Labor Committee. The bill would amend the state's Right to Privacy in the Workplace Act to make it illegal for employers to gain access to a prospective employee's account on any social networking site during the hiring process. The measure would not, however, prevent employers from considering information found on an applicants' public profile -- such content remains fair game and as many as 50 percent of employers say they rely on social networking sites to help them screen potential employees . Ford explained, as reported by WJBC, that when prospective employers access an applicant's social networking account, they may gain access to sensitive financial information and other personal details that should remain private . "If legislators had to give their Twitter and Facebook account passwords how would they like that? They wouldn't like it. They wouldn't want to give their password to anyone because it's their personal password," Ford said. The bill was criticized by state Rep. Jill Tracy (R-Quincy), Republican spokesperson of the state Labor Committee, as over-regulating businesses , the /Chicago Tribune/ reports. The measure will be the subject of a hearing Tuesday before the Labor Committee. Reports emerged last year that some job applicants, including one individual who applied for a clerical position with a North Carolina police force, were asked for their passwords for any websites such as Facebook or Myspace as part of a background check their potential employers wanted to run , the /Daily Mail/ reported. The American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland spoke out last year against the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services after they allegedly ordered an employee to hand over his Facebook password if he wanted to see his job reinstated . 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I never knew. it is amazing the privileges some employers think they merit. avri On 5 Feb 2012, at 16:42, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > Illinois Bill Would Outlaw Employers From Asking For Applicants' Social Media Passwords > > > First Posted: 02/ 5/2012 2:06 pm Updated: 02/ 5/2012 2:59 pm > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/05/illinois-bill-would-outla_n_1255881.html > > An Illinois legislator has introduced a proposal that would bar employers from asking prospective employees for their usernames or passwords in order to gain access to their profiles on sites like Facebook or Twitter. > > Rep. La Shawn Ford (D-Chicago) introduced the bill (HB 3782) last spring, but the measure was recently taken up by the state legislature's Labor Committee. > > The bill would amend the state's Right to Privacy in the Workplace Act to make it illegal for employers to gain access to a prospective employee's account on any social networking site during the hiring process. > > The measure would not, however, prevent employers from considering information found on an applicants' public profile -- such content remains fair game and as many as 50 percent of employers say they rely on social networking sites to help them screen potential employees. > > Ford explained, as reported by WJBC, that when prospective employers access an applicant's social networking account, they may gain access to sensitive financial information and other personal details that should remain private. > > "If legislators had to give their Twitter and Facebook account passwords how would they like that? They wouldn't like it. They wouldn't want to give their password to anyone because it's their personal password," Ford said. > > The bill was criticized by state Rep. Jill Tracy (R-Quincy), Republican spokesperson of the state Labor Committee, as over-regulating businesses, the Chicago Tribune reports. > > The measure will be the subject of a hearing Tuesday before the Labor Committee. > Reports emerged last year that some job applicants, including one individual who applied for a clerical position with a North Carolina police force, were asked for their passwords for any websites such as Facebook or Myspace as part of a background check their potential employers wanted to run, the Daily Mail reported. > > The American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland spoke out last year against the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services after they allegedly ordered an employee to hand over his Facebook password if he wanted to see his job reinstated. The ACLU called such a demand "a frightening and illegal invasion of privacy" and the department suspended the practice, according to The Atlantic. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon Feb 6 04:47:27 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:47:27 +0200 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings Message-ID: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Dear coordinators Could you please send a summary of the thread in which people posted who would be in Geneva for the meetings next week? I arrive on the 14th and will be a bit late for the meeting.. but perhaps the CS people can meet for lunch on the 14th. Best Anriette -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon Feb 6 05:15:25 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:15:25 +0200 Subject: Feb 2012 IGF open consultation inputs, was Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F2FA83D.608@apc.org> Hi all Changing the subjectline... The CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements will meet in 2 weeks time and as Marilia said and will finalise its report for May. Good to get input from people on the rolling report... In further response to Michael's question about what role the IGC can play aside from this input... Many of the recommendations before that CSTD WG on IGF improvements can also be made as recommendations for organising the upcoming IGF. In fact, the Secretariat has already implemented some of these for past IGFs, such as, for example, MAG members working with interested/informed individuals from outside the MAG in planning main sessions. Other recommendations could relate to keeping developing country and civil society participation strong (e.g. if you look at the participation statistics - which Chengetai did an excellent report on at the last CSTD meeting - you will notice that CS participation seems to have dropped since the previous IGF). Other recommendations for the next IGF which could be useful for overall IGF improvements include: - formats of reports - evaluation of workshops and main sessions - workshop formats and workshop application formats - workshop main session linkages.. and so on - MAG working methods (for the next IGF) - communicating IGF outcomes/messages/proceedings more effectively - how to get more media attention - improving remote participation .. and so on In other words, it would be strategic for IGC people to scan the WG in IGF improvement reports and reinforce recommendations they agree with by also making those that are relevant in the short term in the context of the upcoming IGF. Best Anriette On 05/02/12 17:01, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM, michael gurstein > wrote: > > Thanks for this Marilla but I'm a bit unsure as to the > status of what you have quoted below and what role if any > the IGC can or should play in this. > > Hi Mike, this is a summary of the broad agreements that IGF WG > participants reached regarding MAG, based on proposals that have > been advanced by the WG members themselves and also by a larger > group of interested people (there was an open consultation some time > ago, between the first and the second meetings of the WG). The text > of the report of the WG will be drafted during the next meeting, in > February. It means that it is not carved in stone yet, and that > adjustments can be made. This is why I believe it would be so > important to receive feedback as soon as possible. > > I agree with you when you mention the potential of IG/IGF > arrangements to influence and to help shaping governance in a > broader sense, and I agree that we should promote a more organized, > constant and consistent debate about these issues. The report from > the WG needs to be finalized in May, so I am not sure if it is > realistic to try to find funding to carry out an event with the > specific purpose of discussing improvements with the report in mind. > Of course, we should use online channels and take advantage of the > opportunities we have to meet face to face, such as open > consultations, to discuss and improve the suggestions that are > currently on the table. > > Nevertheless, regardless of the WG, there are ongoing debates that > CS should be involved (and maybe could even proactively push > forward) such as the one about IG principles. Wolfgang wrote to the > list a couple of times about the importance of a CS initiative to > look into current proposals of regulatory principles, and try to > find points of coherence, with view to an harmonization. I would > strongly support the pursuit of this goal. > > Best, > Marília > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 08:03:27 2012 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:03:27 +0100 Subject: Feb 2012 IGF open consultation inputs, was Re: [governance] MAG Selection [URGENT] In-Reply-To: <4F2FA83D.608@apc.org> References: <4F2FA83D.608@apc.org> Message-ID: Anriette, I agree with you on these various proposals. It would be beneficial for all of these reports can be reunited in a single medium for good traceability in time. SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr Site Web : www.ticafrica.net 2012/2/6 Anriette Esterhuysen > Hi all > > Changing the subjectline... > > The CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements will meet in 2 weeks time and > as Marilia said and will finalise its report for May. Good to get input > from people on the rolling report... > > In further response to Michael's question about what role the IGC can > play aside from this input... > > Many of the recommendations before that CSTD WG on IGF improvements can > also be made as recommendations for organising the upcoming IGF. > > In fact, the Secretariat has already implemented some of these for past > IGFs, such as, for example, MAG members working with interested/informed > individuals from outside the MAG in planning main sessions. > > Other recommendations could relate to keeping developing country and > civil society participation strong (e.g. if you look at the > participation statistics - which Chengetai did an excellent report on at > the last CSTD meeting - you will notice that CS participation seems to > have dropped since the previous IGF). > > Other recommendations for the next IGF which could be useful for overall > IGF improvements include: > > - formats of reports > - evaluation of workshops and main sessions > - workshop formats and workshop application formats > - workshop main session linkages.. and so on > - MAG working methods (for the next IGF) > - communicating IGF outcomes/messages/proceedings more effectively > - how to get more media attention > - improving remote participation .. and so on > > In other words, it would be strategic for IGC people to scan the WG in > IGF improvement reports and reinforce recommendations they agree with by > also making those that are relevant in the short term in the context of > the upcoming IGF. > > Best > > Anriette > > > > > On 05/02/12 17:01, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:33 PM, michael gurstein > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for this Marilla but I'm a bit unsure as to the > > status of what you have quoted below and what role if any > > the IGC can or should play in this. > > > > Hi Mike, this is a summary of the broad agreements that IGF WG > > participants reached regarding MAG, based on proposals that have > > been advanced by the WG members themselves and also by a larger > > group of interested people (there was an open consultation some time > > ago, between the first and the second meetings of the WG). The text > > of the report of the WG will be drafted during the next meeting, in > > February. It means that it is not carved in stone yet, and that > > adjustments can be made. This is why I believe it would be so > > important to receive feedback as soon as possible. > > > > I agree with you when you mention the potential of IG/IGF > > arrangements to influence and to help shaping governance in a > > broader sense, and I agree that we should promote a more organized, > > constant and consistent debate about these issues. The report from > > the WG needs to be finalized in May, so I am not sure if it is > > realistic to try to find funding to carry out an event with the > > specific purpose of discussing improvements with the report in mind. > > Of course, we should use online channels and take advantage of the > > opportunities we have to meet face to face, such as open > > consultations, to discuss and improve the suggestions that are > > currently on the table. > > > > Nevertheless, regardless of the WG, there are ongoing debates that > > CS should be involved (and maybe could even proactively push > > forward) such as the one about IG principles. Wolfgang wrote to the > > list a couple of times about the importance of a CS initiative to > > look into current proposals of regulatory principles, and try to > > find points of coherence, with view to an harmonization. I would > > strongly support the pursuit of this goal. > > > > Best, > > Marília > > > > > > > > -- > > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > > FGV Direito Rio > > > > Center for Technology and Society > > Getulio Vargas Foundation > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Google India informed the court of additional civil judge Praveen Singh that as per its directions, the search giant has removed the contents, the daily The Times of India reported. The court had last December directed Google and 21 other websites, many foreign-based, to remove all the objectionable content in the form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt religious sentiments. Meanwhile, Facebook India told the court that it does not control or operate the servers that host the website available at www.facebook.com, which are located in the United States. In fact, the court's order was in the wake of a civil case filed by a man who sought removal of "anti-religious" or "anti- social" content in the form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt religious sentiments. While Facebook and Google India filed their compliance reports, Yahoo! and Microsoft filed applications for deletion of their names from the civil complaint stating that there was no allegation against them of webcasting any objectionable content, the report said. After the hearing, the court directed the accused to file compliance report within 15 days from the date of the order while fixing the matter for further arguments on March 1. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icon16.gif Type: image/gif Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icon17.gif Type: image/gif Size: 89 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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> > I arrive on the 14th and will be a bit late for the meeting.. but > perhaps the CS people can meet for lunch on the 14th. > > Best > > Anriette > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Wed Feb 8 03:21:05 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:21:05 +0100 Subject: [governance] Google removes offensive webpages as ordered by Indian court,(Xinhua) In-Reply-To: <4F317754.6030608@gmail.com> References: <4F317754.6030608@gmail.com> Message-ID: And in a similar IBSA vein… Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/07/brazil_twitter/ Brazil sues Twitter over police checkpoint tweets Threatens $290k fine… daily Internet governance begins at home, but I guess a United Nations Committee for Internet-Related Policies with a mandate to "facilitate negotiation of treaties, conventions and agreements on Internet-related public policies" could help with the development of complementary/reinforcing global standards… Bill On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > Google removes offensive webpages as ordered by Indian court > > (Xinhua) > > 15:17, February 07, 2012 > > NEW DELHI, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- The U.S.-based search giant Google has told a trial court in the Indian capital that it has removed certain offensive webpages from the web in compliance with the court's order, local media reported Tuesday. > > Google India informed the court of additional civil judge Praveen Singh that as per its directions, the search giant has removed the contents, the daily The Times of India reported. > > The court had last December directed Google and 21 other websites, many foreign-based, to remove all the objectionable content in the form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt religious sentiments. > > Meanwhile, Facebook India told the court that it does not control or operate the servers that host the website available at www.facebook.com, which are located in the United States. > > In fact, the court's order was in the wake of a civil case filed by a man who sought removal of "anti-religious" or "anti- social" content in the form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt religious sentiments. > > While Facebook and Google India filed their compliance reports, Yahoo! and Microsoft filed applications for deletion of their names from the civil complaint stating that there was no allegation against them of webcasting any objectionable content, the report said. > > After the hearing, the court directed the accused to file compliance report within 15 days from the date of the order while fixing the matter for further arguments on March 1. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at arin.net Wed Feb 8 04:44:29 2012 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:44:29 +0000 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > and the authors' contention > >> As long as it is unclear how RPKI achieves compatibility among multiple roots, it is disingenuous to pretend that RPKI allows ISPs a free choice of trust anchors >> ... > > Today we find more efforts in the creation of various forms of circumvention. I think this has the folliwng effects: > > - serves as a warning for those who look to impose strictly hierarchical regimes > - produces an increasing number of circumvention techniques and opportunities > - increases the mindset that alternate solutions are possible and worth working on > > So while it may be disingenuous to contend that _anyone_ could create an alternate root or a alternate RPKI trust anchor, it is not quite as disingenuous to contend that someone could. > > I also agree with the point that routing is an important topic for governance discussion and that these issues deserve consideration in the IGC and in the governance discussions in general. Avri - The author's contention has been overtaken by events, in that one of the IETF RPKI drafts specifically addresses how parties that want to use RPKI should be able to control their reliance on any given trust anchor and be able to establish their own local rules for what information to utilize. The proposed RPKI capability is on the IETF Standards Track and can be found here: FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 8 10:03:02 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:03:02 -0500 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Message-ID: Hi John, Thanks for the pointer, will read the draft. >From my first cursory glance seems like there might be a good governance discussion to be had that would revolve around this issue and that draft. I am not sure yet how this draft indicates that the author's contentions are overcome by events, but I will look for that understanding in my reading. thanks again, avri On 8 Feb 2012, at 04:44, John Curran wrote: > On Feb 5, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> and the authors' contention >> >>> As long as it is unclear how RPKI achieves compatibility among multiple roots, it is disingenuous to pretend that RPKI allows ISPs a free choice of trust anchors >>> ... >> >> Today we find more efforts in the creation of various forms of circumvention. I think this has the folliwng effects: >> >> - serves as a warning for those who look to impose strictly hierarchical regimes >> - produces an increasing number of circumvention techniques and opportunities >> - increases the mindset that alternate solutions are possible and worth working on >> >> So while it may be disingenuous to contend that _anyone_ could create an alternate root or a alternate RPKI trust anchor, it is not quite as disingenuous to contend that someone could. >> >> I also agree with the point that routing is an important topic for governance discussion and that these issues deserve consideration in the IGC and in the governance discussions in general. > > > Avri - > > The author's contention has been overtaken by events, in that > one of the IETF RPKI drafts specifically addresses how parties > that want to use RPKI should be able to control their reliance > on any given trust anchor and be able to establish their own > local rules for what information to utilize. The proposed RPKI > capability is on the IETF Standards Track and can be found here: > > > FYI, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > ARIN > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at arin.net Wed Feb 8 10:30:25 2012 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:30:25 +0000 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Message-ID: On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for the pointer, will read the draft. > > From my first cursory glance seems like there might be a good governance discussion to be had that would revolve around this issue and that draft. I am not sure yet how this draft indicates that the author's contentions are overcome by events, but I will look for that understanding in my reading. Per the referenced specification: " This document describes a mechanism by which an RP may override any conflicting information expressed via the putative TAs and the certificates downloaded from the RPKI repository system. To effect this local control, this document calls for a relying party to specify a set of bindings between public key identifiers and resources (IP resources and/or AS number resources) through a text file known as a constraints file. The constraints expressed in this file then take precedence over any competing claims expressed by resource certificates acquired from the distributed repository system. " The result of its implementation is that any relying party (including ISPs) can unambiguously determine which information from which trust anchors they will believe, directly addressing the item raised in author's contention ("As long as it is unclear how RPKI achieves compatibility among multiple roots, it is disingenuous to pretend that RPKI allows ISPs a free choice of trust anchors") Now, it is also the case that the understanding necessary to actually configure these constraints to override any received TA information is quite technical due to the nature of the PKI system, and thus non-trivial to implement. This will definitely inhibit capricious use, but won't get in the way from ISPs putting appropriate entries in place if an egregious act required intervention. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 8 10:42:05 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:42:05 -0500 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Message-ID: <50BC27BF-5959-4BEC-8613-B6BE7BBEA104@acm.org> Hi, Thanks again. This does bring up the question: to what extent with this capability be implemented by the equipment providers and to what extent doe people expect it to be deployed. Is thee already good lots of running code and trial implementations. Are ISPs buying into it and ready to test and deploy? Also, are you arguing that there is nothing to be seen here, and we should just move on because there is no governance issue that needs exploration and understanding? I.e IETF is taking care of it, so we have nothing to be concerned about. Thanks avri On 8 Feb 2012, at 10:30, John Curran wrote: > On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> Thanks for the pointer, will read the draft. >> >> From my first cursory glance seems like there might be a good governance discussion to be had that would revolve around this issue and that draft. I am not sure yet how this draft indicates that the author's contentions are overcome by events, but I will look for that understanding in my reading. > > Per the referenced specification: > > " This document describes a mechanism by which an RP may override > any conflicting information expressed via the putative TAs and > the certificates downloaded from the RPKI repository system. > > To effect this local control, this document calls for a relying party > to specify a set of bindings between public key identifiers and > resources (IP resources and/or AS number resources) through a text > file known as a constraints file. The constraints expressed in this > file then take precedence over any competing claims expressed by > resource certificates acquired from the distributed repository > system. " > > The result of its implementation is that any relying party (including > ISPs) can unambiguously determine which information from which trust > anchors they will believe, directly addressing the item raised in author's > contention ("As long as it is unclear how RPKI achieves compatibility > among multiple roots, it is disingenuous to pretend that RPKI allows > ISPs a free choice of trust anchors") > > Now, it is also the case that the understanding necessary to actually > configure these constraints to override any received TA information is > quite technical due to the nature of the PKI system, and thus non-trivial > to implement. This will definitely inhibit capricious use, but won't get > in the way from ISPs putting appropriate entries in place if an egregious > act required intervention. > > FYI, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > ARIN > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 10:50:28 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:50:28 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Access Challenges: Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The closest we get to is the localized solution what we call in the local market as Home Brewed UPS that has a conversion unit and two car batteries attached to it: http://www.systek.com.pk/ When I am back home, I will try to buy one of these UPS in the coming months but the challenge is how to acquire solar batteries to charge the batteries even when there isn't electricity for like 4 hours and the unit wouldn't be able to get charged. I still have to check prices with them but its an investment of $750 and the batteries may have to be changed every year. Best Fouad On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > One of the issues with these problems would seem to be the inability of some > (perhaps many) people in the developed world to comprehend the challenge. > > Here in Saint Lucia I must say we seem to be fairly lucky, although the > weather can change that situation rather rapidly. However I particularly > remember a message on the GKD list, several years ago now, posted by an > ecstatically happy person who had managed to rig up a generator powered by a > stationary bicycle (someone had to pedal it of course) and so run a computer > for the village. A reply came almost immediately from someone - I think in > the United States, but certainly in the economic 'North' - who deplored the > demeaning and unnecessary use of human labour and proposed an alternative > like solar cells. > > In the 'South' we learn to manage with what we have. There is an almost > unbridgeable comprehension gap - a perspective/perception divide - between > those who can take things (like an electricity supply) for granted and those > who can't. > > Certainly this is an area which could be given a little more attention. > > Deirdre > > On 2 February 2012 17:50, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> These are excerpts from another thread that is related to Access. >> >> >> >> " I know well that some - far away - people just cannot understand what it >> actually means not to have regular electricity. >> >> Just to share a memory: when I operated the only ISP in Cambodia early >> 1994 to mid 1997, this was my electricity supply for the system, which I put >> together from what I could find on the local market: >> >> Japanese 24 Volt DC truck battery >> Thai charger from 220 AC when we had public electricity supply >> >> US inverter 24 V DC to 110 V AC (specially imported) >> >> Vietnamese transformer 110 V AC to 220 V AC >> home grown 220 V AC - mostly enough capacity, but not always - until the >> public electricity started again >> >> Sorry, a bit off list - but it is a plea to all who do not have regular >> electricity disruptions, to understand what different economic/technological >> conditions can mean." >> >> >> Norbert Klein >> >> >> >> "I had the privilege to visit our dear compa Norbert in Phnom Penh around >> that time and testify to the incredible magic he managed to make with >> those disparate electrical parts to keep the system alive." >> >> >> Carlos Afonso >> >> >> >> yes the issues are complex. The prices of such devices especially when >> the economy is totally in the dirt makes it really hard to manage the >> kitchen and invest in such solutions. Lets hope for the best. They >> also shot up the oil prices last night and things are just beyond >> control......we are an immature democracy but the governance doesn't >> seem to get its act straight even after completing almost 4 years of >> government. >> >> >> Fouad Bajwa >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Fouad and Norbert raised an often overlooked and important issue in >>> relation to challenges with Access to the Internet. Over the years we have >>> seen countries around the world offering broadband stimulus in their >>> respective countries, refine policies etc to address the issue of the >>> demand. >>> >>> In the developing world or emerging markets, there are interesting >>> challenges that beset these countries. When natural disasters happen such as >>>  the tsunami in American Samoa, the local telcos were not able to handle the >>> volume of calls in and out etc. There was some access to the internet that >>> allowed the world to know of their plight. Similarly when Haiti was beset by >>> the earthquake, it  destroyed infrastructure as well. Considering the recent >>> tsunami in Japan and how it cost them $300billion in damages. Thing of >>> developed countries that face similar devastation. >>> >>> There are many countries that struggle with energy grid and we know that >>> to have proper infrastructure one needs energy to drive this aside from >>> transportation. In a country in the Pacific where not too long ago they had >>> just discovered people where mortality rates were extremely low etc. Cutting >>> roads through some of the terrain in PNG is challenging and most Telcos >>> build by transporting equipment through helicopters etc. The additional >>> challenges are land conflicts which can retard development. Whilst >>> Governments are addressing this through policies, it remains a challenge. >>> >>> As the bandwidth consumption is forecasted to grow and clear product >>> lines from Vendors will evolve to be more efficient, developing countries >>> face another challenge being on the receiving end of inefficient products >>> thus perpetuating the cycle of inefficiency. Whilst there are standards and >>> trade laws in place, affordability is a critical issue. >>> >>> Another challenge is preparing ISP Networks to transition to IPv6 and it >>> is good to see how some European countries have encouraged IPv6 Transition >>> through procument policies etc. >>> >>> The IGF has and continues to be an excellent model in sharing lessons and >>> experiences and it is always great to see how countries grow their broadband >>> networks, the types of stimuli that they offered, the mistakes that they >>> made. >>> >>> -- >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >>> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> Cell: +679 998 2851 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala >> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro >> Cell: +679 998 2851 >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at istaff.org Wed Feb 8 11:27:19 2012 From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:27:19 +0100 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: <50BC27BF-5959-4BEC-8613-B6BE7BBEA104@acm.org> References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> <50BC27BF-5959-4BEC-8613-B6BE7BBEA104@acm.org> Message-ID: On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > This does bring up the question: to what extent with this capability be implemented by the equipment providers and to what extent doe people expect it to be deployed. Is thee already good lots of running code and trial implementations. Are ISPs buying into it and ready to test and deploy? The specification is only two months old, and while I believe that there is running code, you'd need to check with the authors regarding what testing and development activities are underway. > Also, are you arguing that there is nothing to be seen here, and we should just move on because there is no governance issue that needs exploration and understanding? I.e IETF is taking care of it, so we have nothing to be concerned about. Strange. I have said nothing of the sort, only that the author's particular assertion has been overtaken by events. Depending on one's definition of "Internet Governance", there are certainly aspects of RPKI which warrant consideration (but then again for some definitions of IG that may be said of nearly every component of Internet infrastructure...) Example: Layer 2 switches often are built with the ability to relay all packets received on any port to a monitoring port. Is this technical capability an Internet Governance matter? What if the monitoring port can be accessed remotely in a surreptitious manner? What if vendors provided the access details to governments upon request? At one point did this technical capability move into a "governance" matter, with implications far beyond that of simple compliance with law? Personally, I do see Internet Governance considerations with respect to RPKI, but not arising from the technical capabilities, but from the inherent control and transparency aspects that arise with the potential for government intervention in RPKI matters. I will note, however, that these issues all exist presently, in that governments can already obtain the exact same outcomes if they can order changes be made to the Internet number registries. Whether the technology is the Whois directories of address registrants, or the present routing registries that are run by RIRs, or the emerging use of RPKI, the issues are pretty much the same: - Under what circumstances are governments expected/allowed to intervene in the Internet infrastructure? - What transparency should exist regarding these interventions? - How are intergovernmental issues minimized during interventions? In my personal opinion, establishing common expectations for questions such as the above should be the priority, and serve to focus on the actual concerns that need community exploration and understanding. My thoughts alone; I have not consulted with any other parties in the preparation of these views, including specifically ARIN, ICANN, USG, UN, ITU, or any candidate for the upcoming US Presidential election. FYI, /John -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 8 11:48:59 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:48:59 -0500 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: Hi, Putting it another way: Is anyone else in Geneva on Monday and is anyone interested in gathering together sometime, somewhere, to discuss some of the issue coming up regarding the IGF, including civil society goals for the consultation and especially for the Baku meeting. I know we plan to meet at lunch on tuesday, and I think that is good, but those gatherings seem better for quick tactical discussions related to the upcoming afternoon meeting rather than trying to find common cause on the larger issues. Also, has anyone gotten a clue yet on whether IGF's NY UN parent plans to release the names of the MAG before Tuesday? It seems like it would be good for those people to know. avri On 7 Feb 2012, at 22:49, Avri Doria wrote: > > > Have we set up anything for Monday? > > avri > > On 6 Feb 2012, at 04:47, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Dear coordinators >> >> Could you please send a summary of the thread in which people posted who >> would be in Geneva for the meetings next week? >> >> I arrive on the 14th and will be a bit late for the meeting.. but >> perhaps the CS people can meet for lunch on the 14th. >> >> Best >> >> Anriette >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >> executive director, association for progressive communications >> www.apc.org >> po box 29755, melville 2109 >> south africa >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 13:00:23 2012 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:30:23 -0430 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: If a meeting is held on long-term plans, please consider if you are willing to include me and/or others as Skype participants. I will be following the meetings online, and am particularly interested in long-term strategies being decided now. Thanks! Cheers, gp \ Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 8 February 2012 12:18, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Putting it another way: > > Is anyone else in Geneva on Monday and is anyone interested in gathering > together sometime, somewhere, to discuss some of the issue coming up > regarding the IGF, including civil society goals for the consultation and > especially for the Baku meeting. > > I know we plan to meet at lunch on tuesday, and I think that is good, but > those gatherings seem better for quick tactical discussions related to the > upcoming afternoon meeting rather than trying to find common cause on the > larger issues. > > Also, has anyone gotten a clue yet on whether IGF's NY UN parent plans to > release the names of the MAG before Tuesday? It seems like it would be > good for those people to know. > > avri > > > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 22:49, Avri Doria wrote: > > > > > > > Have we set up anything for Monday? > > > > avri > > > > On 6 Feb 2012, at 04:47, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > > >> Dear coordinators > >> > >> Could you please send a summary of the thread in which people posted who > >> would be in Geneva for the meetings next week? > >> > >> I arrive on the 14th and will be a bit late for the meeting.. but > >> perhaps the CS people can meet for lunch on the 14th. > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Anriette > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------ > >> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > >> executive director, association for progressive communications > >> www.apc.org > >> po box 29755, melville 2109 > >> south africa > >> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed Feb 8 13:01:23 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:01:23 -0500 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: <7A6B0CE2-8981-413E-A192-E300CBE29FF5@privaterra.org> Avri, I arrive on Sunday, so happy to meet up with you and others on Monday. What time(s) do you suggest? Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org On 2012-02-08, at 11:48 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > Hi, > > Putting it another way: > > Is anyone else in Geneva on Monday and is anyone interested in gathering together sometime, somewhere, to discuss some of the issue coming up regarding the IGF, including civil society goals for the consultation and especially for the Baku meeting. > > I know we plan to meet at lunch on tuesday, and I think that is good, but those gatherings seem better for quick tactical discussions related to the upcoming afternoon meeting rather than trying to find common cause on the larger issues. > > Also, has anyone gotten a clue yet on whether IGF's NY UN parent plans to release the names of the MAG before Tuesday? It seems like it would be good for those people to know. > > avri > > > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 22:49, Avri Doria wrote: > >> >> >> Have we set up anything for Monday? >> >> avri >> >> On 6 Feb 2012, at 04:47, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >> >>> Dear coordinators >>> >>> Could you please send a summary of the thread in which people posted who >>> would be in Geneva for the meetings next week? >>> >>> I arrive on the 14th and will be a bit late for the meeting.. but >>> perhaps the CS people can meet for lunch on the 14th. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org >>> executive director, association for progressive communications >>> www.apc.org >>> po box 29755, melville 2109 >>> south africa >>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Feb 8 15:13:06 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 20:13:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: In message , at 11:48:59 on Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Avri Doria writes >Also, has anyone gotten a clue yet on whether IGF's NY UN parent plans >to release the names of the MAG before Tuesday? It seems like it would >be good for those people to know. I know there have been some previous MAG-rotations where new members were only given a couple of weeks to get to their first meeting, but is this February one even expecting to have been rotated? And while we are talking about such things, any news on replacements for Nitin and Markus, or who is chairing this next meeting? -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Wed Feb 8 15:27:26 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:27:26 -0500 Subject: [governance] MAG rotation - Will it take place next week .. ? In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE@privaterra.org> In regards to the renewed MAG, UNDESA's letter from Dec 2011 does mention what will happen if the MAG isn't selected by next week... http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/926-mag-renewal- ... It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May..... Thus the question is - have existing MAG members been notified that they need to attend the meeting next week...? regards Robert On 2012-02-08, at 3:13 PM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at 11:48:59 on Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Avri Doria writes >> Also, has anyone gotten a clue yet on whether IGF's NY UN parent plans >> to release the names of the MAG before Tuesday? It seems like it would >> be good for those people to know. > > I know there have been some previous MAG-rotations where new members were only given a couple of weeks to get to their first meeting, but is this February one even expecting to have been rotated? > > And while we are talking about such things, any news on replacements for Nitin and Markus, or who is chairing this next meeting? > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Feb 8 16:30:19 2012 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:30:19 -0500 Subject: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> Message-ID: <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> On 8 Feb 2012, at 15:13, Roland Perry wrote: > And while we are talking about such things, any news on replacements for Nitin and Markus, or who is chairing this next meeting? I am sure we will kept in suspense on this issue, but I bet there will be a chair of some sort and there will a secretariat. In terms of secretariat, I am among those who is quite comfortable with Chengetai retaining the coordinating secretariat spot. He did an excellent job last year, and from what I hear from the reports of the CSTD WG meetings he is doing quite well with that too. In terms of chair, after Nitin and Alice, who would want be the next act? Hard acts to follow. I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. They seem to take turns having to deal with the IGF. avri -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed Feb 8 16:59:53 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:59:53 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Feb 2012 Geneva meetings References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Avri: I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. Wolfgang: The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Wed Feb 8 22:34:31 2012 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:34:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> Message-ID: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD209DEEF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> > -----Original Message----- > The author's contention has been overtaken by events, in that one of the > IETF RPKI drafts specifically addresses how parties that want to use > RPKI should be able to control their reliance on any given trust anchor > and be able to establish their own local rules for what information to > utilize. The proposed RPKI capability is on the IETF Standards Track [Milton L Mueller] It might be more accurate to say that the authors' (plural) contentions caused certain events. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at arin.net Wed Feb 8 22:58:07 2012 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:58:07 +0000 Subject: [governance] The standards about the RPKI are out In-Reply-To: <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD209DEEF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> References: <20120205170955.GA12463@sources.org> <60C4DDEA-CAA2-420F-888F-F82631D36CA9@acm.org> <855077AC3D7A7147A7570370CA01ECD209DEEF@SUEX10-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <01FA8D8A-AA00-46D8-AB27-DE09BF5A94C0@arin.net> On Feb 9, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> The author's contention has been overtaken by events, in that one of the >> IETF RPKI drafts specifically addresses how parties that want to use >> RPKI should be able to control their reliance on any given trust anchor >> and be able to establish their own local rules for what information to >> utilize. The proposed RPKI capability is on the IETF Standards Track > > [Milton L Mueller] > > It might be more accurate to say that the authors' (plural) contentions caused certain events. Indeed, informed multi-stakeholder discourse can influence the structure and operation of Internet infrastructure. This is a design feature (as opposed to defect) of our present system of Internet instituions. /John -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu Feb 9 03:47:14 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:47:14 +0000 Subject: [governance] MAG rotation - Will it take place next week .. ? In-Reply-To: <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE@privaterra.org> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE@privaterra.org> Message-ID: In message <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE at privaterra.org>, at 15:27:26 on Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Robert Guerra writes >Thus the question is - have existing MAG members been notified that they >need to attend the meeting next week...? They need more than a week's notice, to make travel arrangements, seeking funding etc. And 2/3 of the current MAG would suddenly find themselves "no longer required", although if there was a new chair he might select some to be special advisers. On reconsideration, it was probably never a possibility that the new MAG could be chosen, confirmed and convened between 31st Jan and 14th Feb. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Feb 9 05:32:41 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:02:41 +0530 Subject: [governance] Google removes offensive webpages as ordered by Indian court,(Xinhua) In-Reply-To: References: <4F317754.6030608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F33A0C9.2090009@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 08 February 2012 01:51 PM, William Drake wrote: > And in a similar IBSA vein… > > Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/07/brazil_twitter/ > > Brazil sues Twitter over police checkpoint tweets > Threatens $290k fine… daily > > Internet governance begins at home, but I guess a United Nations > Committee for Internet-Related Policies with a mandate to "facilitate > negotiation of treaties, conventions and agreements on > Internet-related public policies" could help with the development of > complementary/reinforcing global standards… Why would one want to forget that various global human rights instruments are internationally negotiated agreements too, which were then followed by UN summits (with their negotiated texts) on various global issues of greatest importance... And our beloved IGF is also the product of one such Summit and its negotiated text...... What is so special about the new context that we need to, /ipso facto/, look down upon such global agreements? Or this an expression of the post-democratic sentiment that is so much prelevant both in technical governance spaces and among neolibs, their cross, in my understanding, being the most potent political problem which we face today. It is also important to note who makes the global law in absence of international agreements in the new information society spaces - the digital mega-corporations and the richest nations.... While we know there are problems on both sides, one has to pick ones choice. As famously said, in politics inaction itself is a significant choice. (BTW, notices to google for taking down content has been rising at a similar rate from Northern countries as from Southern.) So, while noting the bad blood in IBSA vein, will also be good to take note of what happens in the OECD's vein. The way a new global order is being shaped, right now in front of our eyes, with illicit IP rights and illicit forms of their enforcement at its base. Spaces for international agreements can certainly provide a countervailing force to these very problematic developments. At the same time, international agreements can also be useful to limit arbitrary measures of content control by agreements on some basic standard and procedures . After all, an international agreement cannot be sealed by IBSA or China alone, it will need all the good hearted countries of the North to sign it as well. parminder > > Bill > > > On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Riaz K Tayob wrote: > >> >> Google removes offensive webpages as ordered by Indian court >> >> >> (Xinhua ) >> >> >> 15:17, February 07, 2012 >> >> >> >> NEW DELHI, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- The U.S.-based search giant Google has >> told a trial court in the Indian capital that it has removed certain >> offensive webpages from the web in compliance with the court's order, >> local media reported Tuesday. >> >> Google India informed the court of additional civil judge Praveen >> Singh that as per its directions, the search giant has removed the >> contents, the daily The Times of India reported. >> >> The court had last December directed Google and 21 other websites, >> many foreign-based, to remove all the objectionable content in the >> form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt religious >> sentiments. >> >> Meanwhile, Facebook India told the court that it does not control or >> operate the servers that host the website available at >> www.facebook.com, which are located in the United States. >> >> In fact, the court's order was in the wake of a civil case filed by a >> man who sought removal of "anti-religious" or "anti- social" content >> in the form of photographs, videos or texts which might hurt >> religious sentiments. >> >> While Facebook and Google India filed their compliance reports, >> Yahoo! and Microsoft filed applications for deletion of their names >> from the civil complaint stating that there was no allegation against >> them of webcasting any objectionable content, the report said. >> >> After the hearing, the court directed the accused to file compliance >> report within 15 days from the date of the order while fixing the >> matter for further arguments on March 1. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu Feb 9 06:15:32 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:15:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> Hi I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written to the MAG list. * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice Minister from Azerbaijan * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per Sha's letter. * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai Mr. Bajwa, Fouad Ms. Betancourt, Valeria Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette Ms. Park, Y. J. Ms. Primo, Natasha Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza Ms. Selaimen, Graciela Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. Best, Bill On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > Avri: > > I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. > > Wolfgang: > > The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 06:51:27 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:51:27 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Hi Bill, I will be there, arriving on the weekend, but we may need to ask senior MAG members here whether it is possible to designate someone else in their absence. This might also be a question to ask Chengetai and after confirmation from him, a proxy attendance process can be carried out in the event that it requires an email to be sent to the secretariat in advance or whatever the modus-operandi is. A question for senior MAG members is that can a current MAG member appoint someone on his/her behalf to be present in the MAG meeting? Also, can we have observers participate with full speaking/intervention rights? -- Foo On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written to the MAG list. > > * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > > * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice Minister from Azerbaijan > > * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per Sha's letter. > > * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > > So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be > > Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > Ms. Park, Y. J. > Ms. Primo, Natasha > Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > > Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site.   It's a fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance.  It would be helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here.  And on the assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting silently.  Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > > Best, > > Bill > > > > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> Avri: >> >> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. >> >> Wolfgang: >> >> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Thu Feb 9 06:54:13 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:54:13 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> Dear Bill Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure why this has not yet been recorded. Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. Best Anriette On 09/02/12 13:15, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written to the MAG list. > > * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > > * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice Minister from Azerbaijan > > * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per Sha's letter. > > * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > > So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be > > Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > Ms. Park, Y. J. > Ms. Primo, Natasha > Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > > Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > > Best, > > Bill > > > > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> Avri: >> >> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. >> >> Wolfgang: >> >> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu Feb 9 07:13:28 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:13:28 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> Message-ID: <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> Hi On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > I will be there, arriving on the weekend, but we may need to ask > senior MAG members here whether it is possible to designate someone > else in their absence. By "senior" do you mean "current"? Or do you see some sort of hierarchy here? In any event, I'd hope they would want CS to be represented, rather than that "their" slots be kept empty. On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure > why this has not yet been recorded. Now that you mention it, didn't Jeanette also say she didn't want to be involved anymore? She can correct me… > > Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. > > I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not > going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. So that would be 3 or 8 slots empty. If Jeanette and YJ don't come it's 5 of 8 empty. Unless I'm misremembering, only Fouad's said yes here, although Qusai, and Katitza usually make it…. Clearly something has to be done if CS is to be properly represented in the discussion. I would think the easiest path would be to ask the chair to let observers talk. But in the event he regards that as too much of a free for all, alternates could be an alternative. Either way, would it makes sense for the IGC to send Chengetai a message saying CS will not be fully represented and asking him to pass to the chair our suggestion of these two options? Or is it better to spring it on him Wednesday morning and hope for an instant affirmative reaction? Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure > why this has not yet been recorded. > > Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. > > I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not > going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. > > Best > > Anriette > > > > On 09/02/12 13:15, William Drake wrote: >> Hi >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written to the MAG list. >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per Sha's letter. >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >>> Avri: >>> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. >>> >>> Wolfgang: >>> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From qshatti at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 07:40:06 2012 From: qshatti at gmail.com (Qusai AlShatti) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:40:06 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Dear Bill: I will be in Geneva for the Open consutations and MAG Meeting. I will arive on the 13thFeb. If there is a plan for CS members to meet and discuss matters related to the open consultations, please inform me. Looking forward to see you all in Geneva, Regards, Qusai AlShatti On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > > I will be there, arriving on the weekend, but we may need to ask > senior MAG members here whether it is possible to designate someone > else in their absence. > > > By "senior" do you mean "current"? Or do you see some sort of hierarchy > here? In any event, I'd hope they would want CS to be represented, rather > than that "their" slots be kept empty. > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure > why this has not yet been recorded. > > > Now that you mention it, didn't Jeanette also say she didn't want to be > involved anymore? She can correct me… > > > Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. > > I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not > going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. > > > So that would be 3 or 8 slots empty. If Jeanette and YJ don't come it's 5 > of 8 empty. Unless I'm misremembering, only Fouad's said yes here, > although Qusai, and Katitza usually make it…. > > Clearly something has to be done if CS is to be properly represented in > the discussion. I would think the easiest path would be to ask the chair > to let observers talk. But in the event he regards that as too much of a > free for all, alternates could be an alternative. Either way, would it > makes sense for the IGC to send Chengetai a message saying CS will not be > fully represented and asking him to pass to the chair our suggestion of > these two options? Or is it better to spring it on him Wednesday morning > and hope for an instant affirmative reaction? > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This opens new research opportunities for business process data analysis, mining and modeling. The aim of the IFIP 2.6 - 2.12 International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis is to offer a forum where researchers from different communities and the industry can share their insight in this hot new field. The symposium will feature a number of keynotes illustrating new approaches, shorter presentations on recent research, a competitive PhD seminar, and selected research and industrial demonstrations. All this in the charming setting of Campione d’Italia, the Italian enclave surrounded by Swiss territory, on the shores of Lake Lugano. SIMPDA 2012 is jointly conducted with IEEE DEST-CEE 2012 (IEEE International Conference on Digital Ecosystem Technologies and Complex Environment Engineering http://sesar.dti.unimi.it/DEST2012/). This acknowledges the key role of business process data modeling, representation and privacy-aware analysis for Digital Ecosystems. >> Important Dates Submission of Full Papers: 15 April 2012 Submission of PhD Research Plans: 15 April 2012 Notification of Acceptance: 15 May 2012 Submission of Camera Ready Papers: 21 May 2012 >> Call for Papers SIMPDA 2012 offers a unique opportunity to present new approaches and research results to researchers and practitioners working in business process data modeling, representation and privacy-aware analysis. Full papers must not exceed 15 pages. Short papers are limited to at most 4 pages. All papers must be original contributions, not previously published or under review for publication elsewhere. All contributions must be written in English. Accepted papers will be published in a pre-proceedings volume with an ISBN. The authors of the accepted papers will be invited to submit extended articles to a post-symposium proceedings volume, which will be published in the LNBIP series (Lecture Notes in Business Information Processing, http://www.springer.com/series/7911), scheduled for late 2012. >> Keynote Speakers Marlon Dumas - University of Tartu Ronal Maier - University of Innsbruck Jan Mendling - Vienna University of Economics Manfred Hauswirth - National University of Ireland >> Call for PhD Research Plans The SIMPDA PhD Seminar is a workshop for Ph.D. students from all over the world. The goal of the Seminar is to help students with their thesis and research plans by providing feedback and general advice on how to use their research results. Students interested in participating in the Seminar should submit an extended abstract describing their research. Submissions can relate to any aspect of Process Data: technical advances, usage and impact studies, policy analyses, social and institutional implications, theoretical contributions, interaction and design advances, innovative applications, and social implications. Research plans should be at most of 4 page long and should be organized following the following structure: - Abstract: summarizes, in 5 line, the research aims and significance. - Research Question: defines what will be accomplished by eliciting the relevant the research questions - Background: defines the background knowledge providing the 5 most relevant references (papers or books). - Significance: explains the relevance of the general topic and of the specific contribution. - Research design and methods: describes and motivates the method adopted focusing on: assumptions, solutions, data sources, validation of results, limitations of the approach. - Research stage: describes what the student has done so far. A Doctoral Award will be given by the SIMPDA PhD Award Committee to the best research plan submitted. >> Call for Demonstrations and Posters Demonstrations showcase innovative technology and applications, allowing for sharing research work directly with colleagues in a high-visibility setting. Demonstration proposals should consist of a title, an extended abstract, and contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 2 pages. Posters allow the presentation of late-breaking results in an informal, interactive manner. Poster proposals should consist of a title, an extended abstract, contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 2 pages. Accepted demonstrations and posters will be presented at the symposium. 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AWARD COMMITTEE Gregorio Piccoli, Zucchetti spa, Italy Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy Farookh Hussain, Curtin University, Perth, Australia >> WEB CHAIR Fulvio Frati, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy --- ACCOMMODATION AND VENUE --- Campione d'Italia is a town of about 2300 inhabitants set on the southeastern shore of Lake Lugano on a narrow strip of Italian land surrounded by Switzerland that boasts remarkable historical and artistic traditions. Campione d'Italia, is one of five European exclaves. All conference activities will take place in the Municipal Casino of Campione. More info on: sesar.dti.unimi.it/SIMPDA2012 www.campioneitalia.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu Feb 9 08:04:37 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <0ku0ruFlR8MPFAzJ@internetpolicyagency.com> at 12:51:27 on Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Fouad Bajwa writes > can a current MAG member >appoint someone on his/her behalf to be present in the MAG meeting? Because the members serve in their personal capacity, it's very likely that substitutes aren't allowed. This is quite normal. Amongst other reasons, it could upset gender and geographic diversity. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Thu Feb 9 08:17:30 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:17:30 -0500 Subject: [governance] Geneva Feb 2012 Consultation / A quick survey Message-ID: <5532FDCA-EAA1-417D-88C9-8671E20EEC2A@privaterra.org> To help plan meetings and assess the level of participation at next week's meeting, I've created a short online survey to poll those who will be attending . 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I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. However, I cannot... It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical diversity/gender issues. Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible manner, it would be appreciated. My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. Thanks in advance, YJ On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written > to the MAG list. > > * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > > * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice > Minister from Azerbaijan > > * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per > Sha's letter. > > * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > > So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be > > Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > Ms. Park, Y. J. > Ms. Primo, Natasha > Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > > Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a > fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be > helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the > assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to > ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting > silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to > designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > > Best, > > Bill > > > > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> Avri: >> >> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or >> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in >> flux. >> >> Wolfgang: >> >> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha >> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next >> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in >> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship >> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected >> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be >> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad >> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will >> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 09:18:56 2012 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:18:56 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Hi Bill, By senior I meant any MAG member other than us (2009) ones that may have witnessed such a request being made for someone else to stand in during that MAG member's absence. Really, no hierarchy or as such, senior refers to those before myself or with more MAG experience, I somehow can't figure out why that is sometimes felt in my words ;o) probably poor vocabulary on my part! -- Fouad On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > > I will be there, arriving on the weekend, but we may need to ask > senior MAG members here whether it is possible to designate someone > else in their absence. > > > By "senior" do you mean "current"?  Or do you see some sort of hierarchy > here?  In any event, I'd hope they would want CS to be represented, rather > than that "their" slots be kept empty. > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > > Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure > why this has not yet been recorded. > > > Now that you mention it, didn't Jeanette also say she didn't want to be > involved anymore?  She can correct me… > > > Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. > > I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not > going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. > > > So that would be 3 or 8 slots empty.  If Jeanette and YJ don't come it's 5 > of 8 empty.  Unless I'm misremembering, only Fouad's said yes here, > although Qusai, and Katitza usually make it…. > > Clearly something has to be done if CS is to be properly represented in the > discussion.  I would think the easiest path would be to ask the chair to let > observers talk.  But in the event he regards that as too much of a free for > all, alternates could be an alternative.  Either way, would it makes sense > for the IGC to send Chengetai a message saying CS will not be fully > represented and asking him to pass to the chair our suggestion of these two > options?  Or is it better to spring it on him Wednesday morning and hope for > an instant affirmative reaction? > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu Feb 9 10:00:48 2012 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:00:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> Hi YJ Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. Best Bill On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > Hi Bill and all, > > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil society > in this process. > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > However, I cannot... > > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > diversity/gender issues. > > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible > manner, it would be appreciated. > > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > > Thanks in advance, > YJ > > > On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: >> Hi >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written >> to the MAG list. >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice >> Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per >> Sha's letter. >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >>> Avri: >>> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in >>> flux. >>> >>> Wolfgang: >>> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rguerra at privaterra.org Thu Feb 9 10:08:27 2012 From: rguerra at privaterra.org (Robert Guerra) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:08:27 -0500 Subject: [governance] Well informed sources have told CENTR that this year's IGF in Baku will take place between 6-9 Nov 2012 Message-ID: <947BFA6A-BE03-401F-AAD2-496F283F4C81@privaterra.org> Thought I should share the following tweet that was just posted by CIRA regarding the 2012 IGF IGF in Baku... CIRANEWS: RT @centrnews: Well informed sources have told CENTR that this year's IGF in Baku will take place between 6-9 Nov 2012 Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/CIRANEWS/statuses/167623451467710464 regards Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra at privaterra.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE@privaterra.org> Message-ID: <4F33F132.5010709@eff.org> Hi folk, It seems the current MAG will attend the meeting since we haven't heard anything about new MAG but I have asked that question to the Secretariat cc all MAGs members. I will report back. Unfortunately, myself won't be able to go on this occasion. I will be able to join remotely on 15-16 but not on the 14. (We have a retreat were no internet is allowed). On 2/9/12 12:47 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE at privaterra.org>, at > 15:27:26 on Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Robert Guerra > writes >> Thus the question is - have existing MAG members been notified that they >> need to attend the meeting next week...? > > They need more than a week's notice, to make travel arrangements, > seeking funding etc. And 2/3 of the current MAG would suddenly find > themselves "no longer required", although if there was a new chair he > might select some to be special advisers. > > On reconsideration, it was probably never a possibility that the new > MAG could be chosen, confirmed and convened between 31st Jan and 14th > Feb. -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Thu Feb 9 11:25:15 2012 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:25:15 -0800 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> Message-ID: <4F33F36B.4030706@eff.org> Hi folks, I asked the same question to Chengetai cc-ing the MAG members. See below. Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to go on this opportunity due to an imperative meeting I can't cancel—there is an internal EFF retreat with the whole organization on the 13-14 that all stuff must go—scheduled with several months in advance). I'm available to join remotely on the 15. from Chengetai: The draft agenda for the Open Consultations and MAG meetings are available on the IGF Website. The MAG meeting agenda may be reviewed on the basis of the discussions of the Open Consultations. As indicated in Under-Secretary-General Sha Zukang's message on the renewal of the MAG, the current MAG will convene for the February meeting with the renewed MAG convening in May. The meetings will be chaired by Mr. Elmir Valizadeh, Deputy Minister of Communications& Information Technologies from this year's host country. On 2/9/12 3:54 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Bill > > Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure > why this has not yet been recorded. > > Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. > > I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not > going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. > > Best > > Anriette > > > > On 09/02/12 13:15, William Drake wrote: >> Hi >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written to the MAG list. >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per Sha's letter. >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >>> Avri: >>> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in flux. >>> >>> Wolfgang: >>> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Thu Feb 9 11:27:25 2012 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:27:25 -0800 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <4F33B3E5.5040202@apc.org> <8364631B-B04D-4C86-B71A-C34984960CBE@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <4F33F3ED.5080701@eff.org> I plan to join remotely, and hopefully, I can join also on the 14 while everyone is sleeping in the retreat. If not, I will send my statement to be read! On 2/9/12 4:13 AM, William Drake wrote: > Hi > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > >> I will be there, arriving on the weekend, but we may need to ask >> senior MAG members here whether it is possible to designate someone >> else in their absence. > > By "senior" do you mean "current"? Or do you see some sort of > hierarchy here? In any event, I'd hope they would want CS to be > represented, rather than that "their" slots be kept empty. > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> Please note that Natasha Primo resigned from the MAG in 2010. Not sure >> why this has not yet been recorded. > > Now that you mention it, didn't Jeanette also say she didn't want to > be involved anymore? She can correct me… >> >> Valeria will not be able to attend, unfortunately. >> >> I am not sure about Graciela.. but when we last talk it was also not >> going to be possible for her. But she can confirm. > > So that would be 3 or 8 slots empty. If Jeanette and YJ don't come > it's 5 of 8 empty. Unless I'm misremembering, only Fouad's said yes > here, although Qusai, and Katitza usually make it…. > > Clearly something has to be done if CS is to be properly represented > in the discussion. I would think the easiest path would be to ask the > chair to let observers talk. But in the event he regards that as too > much of a free for all, alternates could be an alternative. Either > way, would it makes sense for the IGC to send Chengetai a message > saying CS will not be fully represented and asking him to pass to the > chair our suggestion of these two options? Or is it better to spring > it on him Wednesday morning and hope for an instant affirmative reaction? > > Bill -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 11:36:26 2012 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:36:26 -0800 Subject: [governance] MAG rotation - Will it take place next week .. ? In-Reply-To: <4F33F132.5010709@eff.org> Message-ID: <176F721F876A411E97578A8642046346@UserVAIO> As an IGC nominee for the MAG I'll try to attend remotely although my connectivity (I'll be in Bangladesh helping to develop an ICT4D project) may be somewhat limited. M -----Original Message----- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Katitza Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:16 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Roland Perry Subject: Re: [governance] MAG rotation - Will it take place next week .. ? Hi folk, It seems the current MAG will attend the meeting since we haven't heard anything about new MAG but I have asked that question to the Secretariat cc all MAGs members. I will report back. Unfortunately, myself won't be able to go on this occasion. I will be able to join remotely on 15-16 but not on the 14. (We have a retreat were no internet is allowed). On 2/9/12 12:47 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <13BD50A6-A0B7-46A3-8E20-FB35103604EE at privaterra.org>, at > 15:27:26 on Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Robert Guerra > writes >> Thus the question is - have existing MAG members been notified that >> they need to attend the meeting next week...? > > They need more than a week's notice, to make travel arrangements, > seeking funding etc. And 2/3 of the current MAG would suddenly find > themselves "no longer required", although if there was a new chair he > might select some to be special advisers. > > On reconsideration, it was probably never a possibility that the new > MAG could be chosen, confirmed and convened between 31st Jan and 14th > Feb. -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu Feb 9 12:04:28 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:04:28 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> Message-ID: In message <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA at uzh.ch>, at 16:00:48 on Thu, 9 Feb 2012, William Drake writes >As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, >BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than >letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. For one meeting in isolation it's often tempting to suggest that a few carefully chosen replacements is better than empty seats, but for meetings like this, in my experience a long term culture of substitution reduces productivity as well as diversity. -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joy at apc.org Thu Feb 9 19:50:56 2012 From: joy at apc.org (Joy Liddicoat) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:50:56 +1300 Subject: [governance] UN Human Rights Council Panel on FX and the Internet Message-ID: <008c01cce78e$0ee59140$2cb0b3c0$@apc.org> Dear colleagues, This is a heads up about a forthcoming event at the UN Human Rights Council (and apologies for any double ups in list postings). Following on from the Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression's annual report in 2011, an expert panel is being held during HRC 19. The session will take place on Wed 29 Feb and is being organised by the government of Sweden and OHCHR. APC will be attending and participating in the panel event. We would like to reach out to others to find out who else might be planning on attending or making submissions (which are due Monday 13 Feb) and, if so, how we might be able to collaborate or support these. If you are making submissions or statements, we would encourage you to draw on and cite www.giswatch.org released in December 2011 which includes 55 country reports and other material as well as an introduction from Frank La Rue. If you are planning other activities, campaigns or events around the panel, please do let us know so that we can support or collaborate if possible. 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Wouldn't it be better > for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter expressing > concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that remedial action be > allowed, options x and y? > It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your suggestion! > > As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, > BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than > letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. > > BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to each > stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. > I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out here, I support your proposal that such principle should be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection process as well. Thanks, YJ > > Best > > Bill > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > > > Hi Bill and all, > > > > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil society > > in this process. > > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > > However, I cannot... > > > > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > > diversity/gender issues. > > > > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty > > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my > > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > > > > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible > > manner, it would be appreciated. > > > > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > YJ > > > > > > On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have > written > >> to the MAG list. > >> > >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > >> > >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the > Vice > >> Minister from Azerbaijan > >> > >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting > per > >> Sha's letter. > >> > >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > >> > >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would > be > >> > >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > >> Ms. Park, Y. J. > >> Ms. Primo, Natasha > >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > >> > >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. > It's a > >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be > >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the > >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible > to > >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting > >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to > >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> > >>> Avri: > >>> > >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. > Or > >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in > >>> flux. > >>> > >>> Wolfgang: > >>> > >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will > Sha > >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the > next > >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms > ends in > >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship > >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was > reelected > >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? > Be > >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad > >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will > >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Feb 10 00:47:28 2012 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:17:28 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> Hi All We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is now a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It fuels and justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG is just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already powerful. CS cannot be represented just by people who can spend their own resources or live in nearby places of the North. We as CS must call this bluff, even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an honourable and acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility of CS participation in the system. On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other partisan interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also bothers me that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF improvements seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a spirited discussion, and putting up strong clear positions that defend the interests of the marginalised, whom we should most centrally be representing If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... parminder On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: > Hi Bill, > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William Drake > wrote: > > Hi YJ > > Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. > > Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people > who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't > it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM > a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and > asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? > > It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG > meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough > resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF > secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your > suggestion! > > > As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all > women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic > diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under > whatever rubric. > > BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to > each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. > > I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity > was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out > here, I support your proposal that such principle should > be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection > process as well. > Thanks, > YJ > > > Best > > Bill > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > > > Hi Bill and all, > > > > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil > society > > in this process. > > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > > However, I cannot... > > > > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > > diversity/gender issues. > > > > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty > > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to > delegate my > > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > > > > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible > > manner, it would be appreciated. > > > > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > YJ > > > > > > On 2/9/12, William Drake > wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will > have written > >> to the MAG list. > >> > >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > >> > >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the > host, the Vice > >> Minister from Azerbaijan > >> > >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this > meeting per > >> Sha's letter. > >> > >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > >> > >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil > society would be > >> > >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > >> Ms. Park, Y. J. > >> Ms. Primo, Natasha > >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > >> > >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF > site. It's a > >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It > would be > >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the > >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be > sensible to > >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting > >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to > be able to > >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> > >>> Avri: > >>> > >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from > Azerbaijan. Or > >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all > remains in > >>> flux. > >>> > >>> Wolfgang: > >>> > >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question > is: Will Sha > >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands > of the next > >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His > terms ends in > >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His > relationship > >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM > was reelected > >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does > it mean? Be > >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is > not so bad > >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and > it will > >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Fri Feb 10 01:08:09 2012 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:08:09 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Dear all. sorry to join this important discussion a little late. I will arrive on 13th late at night. I have proposed to have a brief meeting on 14th morning, say 9 am, at Palais de Nation, cafe. We should also perhaps meet again on 14th evening after the first day. It will be best if we could have remote participation access, but making it in the evening is rather challenging I am afraid. As one of co-coordinators, I agree that IGC should send a letter to MAG/Chengetai, expressing our concerns and making requests: If anyone could volunteer to write the draft very shortly, I would appreciate it as I am completely tied up before my long trip to Geneva (10 days). It is best, in my opinion, to ask them (Chair) to allow any observer to talk in the MAG meeting. Without making proxy or alternate. Parminder is right that MSH should be supported financially, to have funding support for core participation. I am not sure, though, that walking out is the best position, but if this situation continues, we may have to consider that. Many thanks, izumi 2012/2/10 parminder : > Hi All > > We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, situation > vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is now a regular > thing that CS participation is not funded. Such multistakeholderism (MSism) > should be rejected out of hand. It fuels and justifies the doubts expressed > by those who think that MSism of IG is just a ploy to get more seats on the > table for the already powerful. CS cannot be represented just by people who > can spend their own resources or live in nearby places of the North. We as > CS must call this bluff, even if we lose some prized positions. We can then > at least fight from the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get > an honourable and acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the > inside. > > I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least in > the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all the UN > system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility of CS > participation in the system. > > On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on Improvements > to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for ensuring a regular UN > budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly notions of UN will take over > the IGF, as if corporate and other partisan interested party funds > controlling it is better!) It also bothers me that this issue, and in fact, > in general, issues of IGF improvements seem not to bother many of us enough > to bring on a spirited discussion, and putting up strong clear positions > that defend the interests of the marginalised, whom we should most centrally > be representing > > If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a > cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... > > parminder > > > On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: > > Hi Bill, > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William Drake > wrote: >> >> Hi YJ >> >> Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. >> >> Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people who >> could stand in for the absent members at this point.  Wouldn't it be better >> for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter expressing >> concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that remedial action be >> allowed, options x and y? > > It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG > meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough resources to > address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF secretariat, I > believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your suggestion! >> >> >> As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, >> BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than >> letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. >> >> >> BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to each >> stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. > > > I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity was > applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out here, I > support your proposal that such principle should be widely implemented to > each stakeholder group's MAG selection process as well. > > Thanks, > YJ > >> >> >> Best >> >> Bill >> >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: >> >> > Hi Bill and all, >> > >> > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil society >> > in this process. >> > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the >> > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. >> > However, I cannot... >> > >> > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate >> > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As >> > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical >> > diversity/gender issues. >> > >> > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty >> > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my >> > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. >> > >> > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible >> > manner, it would be appreciated. >> > >> > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > YJ >> > >> > >> > On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have >> >> written >> >> to the MAG list. >> >> >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the >> >> Vice >> >> Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting >> >> per >> >> Sha's letter. >> >> >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would >> >> be >> >> >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. >> >> It's a >> >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance.  It would be >> >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here.  And on the >> >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible >> >> to >> >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting >> >> silently.  Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able >> >> to >> >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >> >> >>> Avri: >> >>> >> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. >> >>> Or >> >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in >> >>> flux. >> >>> >> >>> Wolfgang: >> >>> >> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will >> >>> Sha >> >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the >> >>> next >> >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms >> >>> ends in >> >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship >> >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was >> >>> reelected >> >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? >> >>> Be >> >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so >> >>> bad >> >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will >> >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >>>    governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>> >> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >>>    http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>> >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Thu Feb 9 13:51:32 2012 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:51:32 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA28@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> I support the letter but I would send it to Sha Zukang not to the Azeri VC. Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch] Gesendet: Do 09.02.2012 16:00 An: YJ Park Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: Re: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] Hi YJ Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. Best Bill On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > Hi Bill and all, > > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil society > in this process. > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > However, I cannot... > > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > diversity/gender issues. > > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible > manner, it would be appreciated. > > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > > Thanks in advance, > YJ > > > On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: >> Hi >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written >> to the MAG list. >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice >> Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per >> Sha's letter. >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> Best, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >>> Avri: >>> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in >>> flux. >>> >>> Wolfgang: >>> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri Feb 10 03:26:54 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:26:54 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> Dear Parminder and all On 10/02/12 07:47, parminder wrote: > Hi All > > We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, > situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is now > a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such > multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It fuels and > justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG is > just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already powerful. CS > cannot be represented just by people who can spend their own resources > or live in nearby places of the North. We as CS must call this bluff, > even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from > the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an honourable and > acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. I agree with this position in principle, but at the same time 'fighting' from the outside is an extremely risky strategy. If all non-governmental stakeholders were to form a common position on support for participation we would stand a stronger change, but, the other stakeholder groups have more resources, and are by and large better organised. Nevertheless I would like to propose as ask them to do a joint letter with us on the importance of supporting and facilitating effective multi-stakeholder participation. I completely agree with Parminder that we cannot indefinitely continue to give a process credibility when we are not able to participate effectively. Lack of funding for CS participation is a UN-wide issue. APC has had to finance our own participation in other UN spaces as well, such as the Committee for the Advancement of Women and also the Human Rights Council. The UN is in financial difficulties, and civil society participation is one of many areas that are suffering as a result. The difference with the MAG is that it members are appointed by the UNSG and expected to work hard and contribute to making a UN-linked process stronger. The same applies to the CSTD WG. In this instance the UN must take responsibility for making sure that bodies that it constitutes function effectively. > > I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least > in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all > the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility > of CS participation in the system. Agree that we should convey this to the SG as the person that appoints the MAG. > > On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on > Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for > ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly > notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other partisan > interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also bothers me > that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF improvements > seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a spirited discussion, > and putting up strong clear positions that defend the interests of the > marginalised, whom we should most centrally be representing Parminder is correct in that we have not had a common position, even among CS, on UN funding for the IGF/MAG. Most governments, as well as the tech and business communities oppose the idea. Personally I don't think it is realistic, or desirable to have the IGF funded entirely, or mostly from the UN. But I agree strongly with Parminder that there does need to be some regular support from the UN. In part this exists through the in-kind support given to the secretariat. But this is not enough. A few areas of ongoing funding would make a big difference: * MAG functioning and participation - For example, a regular amount made available every year through local UNDP offices to support participation of non-governmental stakeholders who don't have the resources to travel to meetings. * The salary of the executive coordinator, so that there can be continuity and leadership at secretariat level. In one of my inputs to the CSTD WG I had proposed a 30% UN 40% additional (voluntary is their term) funding. But I think only Parminder showed any support for that... it is simply not an idea that business, or governments, or the UN itself is going to support - for various reasons. Here is the text from the chairman's summary which will frame this discussion at the next CSTD WG on IGF Improvements meeting. It is good to note that he included this text, which was submitted by CS. He must be commended for his respect for CS input. "Explore UN general funding for the core structure and functions of the IGF, including improving participation and outreach, in addition to welcoming voluntary private funds." and "Consider a model whereby the SG's office provides (1) in-kind support (2) that this in-kind support is stated clearly (e.g. communications, office space, etc.) and given an estimated dollar value in IGF budgets (3) that some core operational expenditure, e.g. the salary of the Executive Coordinator be funded through the UN." Anriette > > If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a > cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... > > parminder > > > On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: >> Hi Bill, >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William Drake > > wrote: >> >> Hi YJ >> >> Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. >> >> Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people >> who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't >> it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM >> a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and >> asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? >> >> It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG >> meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough >> resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF >> secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your >> suggestion! >> >> >> As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all >> women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic >> diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under >> whatever rubric. >> >> >> BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to >> each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. >> >> >> I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity >> was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out >> here, I support your proposal that such principle should >> be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection >> process as well. >> >> Thanks, >> YJ >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Bill >> >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: >> >> > Hi Bill and all, >> > >> > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil >> society >> > in this process. >> > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the >> > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. >> > However, I cannot... >> > >> > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate >> > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As >> > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical >> > diversity/gender issues. >> > >> > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty >> > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to >> delegate my >> > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. >> > >> > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible >> > manner, it would be appreciated. >> > >> > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > YJ >> > >> > >> > On 2/9/12, William Drake > > wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will >> have written >> >> to the MAG list. >> >> >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet >> >> >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the >> host, the Vice >> >> Minister from Azerbaijan >> >> >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this >> meeting per >> >> Sha's letter. >> >> >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November >> >> >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil >> society would be >> >> >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai >> >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad >> >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria >> >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette >> >> Ms. Park, Y. J. >> >> Ms. Primo, Natasha >> >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza >> >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela >> >> >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF >> site. It's a >> >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It >> would be >> >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the >> >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be >> sensible to >> >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting >> >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to >> be able to >> >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: >> >> >> >>> Avri: >> >>> >> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from >> Azerbaijan. Or >> >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all >> remains in >> >>> flux. >> >>> >> >>> Wolfgang: >> >>> >> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question >> is: Will Sha >> >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands >> of the next >> >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His >> terms ends in >> >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His >> relationship >> >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM >> was reelected >> >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does >> it mean? Be >> >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is >> not so bad >> >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and >> it will >> >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>> >> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>> >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 04:03:09 2012 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:03:09 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> Message-ID: Hi all, We are struggling for financial support for our participation in MAG and I feel that it is also in the various activities in subregional, regional and international. Specifically, regarding the process of Internet governance, it should be noted that civil society plays a major role in the implementation of ICT projects and the fight against crime through virtual cyber crime. The experience in Africa shows that often the impetus from the CS to the summit of political power that are policy-makers because they are in order. Reduce or erase the presence of SC in the hemicycle of the debates on Internet governance sufficiently demonstrates that the Geneva Plan of Action and the Tunis Agenda were only dressing. Why have spent so much money to achieve such a disappointment? There is no reason to give up, maybe we can think about other fundraising mechanisms to ensure participation of civil society in the MAG and other ICT activities at the sub regional, regional and international levels. The two processes of phase I and II demonstrated sufficient relevant consultations at national, subregional and regional levels. These are strategies that could yield convincing results in ICT development until now. We are entering a new phase of cybersecurity. And that's just at that moment that CS sees exclude debates. No, why? We have the right to participate in these debates. 2012/2/10 Anriette Esterhuysen > Dear Parminder and all > > On 10/02/12 07:47, parminder wrote: > > Hi All > > > > We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, > > situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is now > > a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such > > multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It fuels and > > justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG is > > just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already powerful. CS > > cannot be represented just by people who can spend their own resources > > or live in nearby places of the North. We as CS must call this bluff, > > even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from > > the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an honourable and > > acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. > > I agree with this position in principle, but at the same time 'fighting' > from the outside is an extremely risky strategy. > > If all non-governmental stakeholders were to form a common position on > support for participation we would stand a stronger change, but, the > other stakeholder groups have more resources, and are by and large > better organised. Nevertheless I would like to propose as ask them to do > a joint letter with us on the importance of supporting and facilitating > effective multi-stakeholder participation. > > I completely agree with Parminder that we cannot indefinitely continue > to give a process credibility when we are not able to participate > effectively. > > Lack of funding for CS participation is a UN-wide issue. APC has had to > finance our own participation in other UN spaces as well, such as the > Committee for the Advancement of Women and also the Human Rights > Council. The UN is in financial difficulties, and civil society > participation is one of many areas that are suffering as a result. > > The difference with the MAG is that it members are appointed by the UNSG > and expected to work hard and contribute to making a UN-linked process > stronger. The same applies to the CSTD WG. In this instance the UN must > take responsibility for making sure that bodies that it constitutes > function effectively. > > > > I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least > > in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all > > the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility > > of CS participation in the system. > > Agree that we should convey this to the SG as the person that appoints > the MAG. > > > > On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on > > Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for > > ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly > > notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other partisan > > interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also bothers me > > that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF improvements > > seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a spirited discussion, > > and putting up strong clear positions that defend the interests of the > > marginalised, whom we should most centrally be representing > > Parminder is correct in that we have not had a common position, even > among CS, on UN funding for the IGF/MAG. Most governments, as well as > the tech and business communities oppose the idea. > > > Personally I don't think it is realistic, or desirable to have the IGF > funded entirely, or mostly from the UN. But I agree strongly with > Parminder that there does need to be some regular support from the UN. > In part this exists through the in-kind support given to the > secretariat. But this is not enough. > > A few areas of ongoing funding would make a big difference: > > * MAG functioning and participation - For example, a regular amount made > available every year through local UNDP offices to support participation > of non-governmental stakeholders who don't have the resources to travel > to meetings. > > * The salary of the executive coordinator, so that there can be > continuity and leadership at secretariat level. > > > In one of my inputs to the CSTD WG I had proposed a 30% UN 40% > additional (voluntary is their term) funding. But I think only Parminder > showed any support for that... it is simply not an idea that business, > or governments, or the UN itself is going to support - for various > reasons. > > Here is the text from the chairman's summary which will frame this > discussion at the next CSTD WG on IGF Improvements meeting. It is good > to note that he included this text, which was submitted by CS. He must > be commended for his respect for CS input. > > "Explore UN general funding for the core structure and functions of the > IGF, including improving participation and outreach, in addition to > welcoming voluntary private funds." > > and > > "Consider a model whereby the SG's office provides (1) in-kind support > (2) that this in-kind support is stated clearly (e.g. communications, > office space, etc.) and given an estimated dollar value in IGF budgets > (3) that some core operational expenditure, e.g. the salary of the > Executive Coordinator be funded through the UN." > > Anriette > > > > > > > If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a > > cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... > > > > parminder > > > > > > On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: > >> Hi Bill, > >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William Drake >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi YJ > >> > >> Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. > >> > >> Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people > >> who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't > >> it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM > >> a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and > >> asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? > >> > >> It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG > >> meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough > >> resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF > >> secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your > >> suggestion! > >> > >> > >> As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all > >> women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic > >> diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under > >> whatever rubric. > >> > >> > >> BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to > >> each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. > >> > >> > >> I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity > >> was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out > >> here, I support your proposal that such principle should > >> be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection > >> process as well. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> YJ > >> > >> > >> > >> Best > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Bill and all, > >> > > >> > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil > >> society > >> > in this process. > >> > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > >> > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > >> > However, I cannot... > >> > > >> > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > >> > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > >> > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > >> > diversity/gender issues. > >> > > >> > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my > difficulty > >> > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to > >> delegate my > >> > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > >> > > >> > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a > responsible > >> > manner, it would be appreciated. > >> > > >> > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance, > >> > YJ > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2/9/12, William Drake >> > wrote: > >> >> Hi > >> >> > >> >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will > >> have written > >> >> to the MAG list. > >> >> > >> >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > >> >> > >> >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the > >> host, the Vice > >> >> Minister from Azerbaijan > >> >> > >> >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this > >> meeting per > >> >> Sha's letter. > >> >> > >> >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > >> >> > >> >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil > >> society would be > >> >> > >> >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > >> >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > >> >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > >> >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > >> >> Ms. Park, Y. J. > >> >> Ms. Primo, Natasha > >> >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > >> >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > >> >> > >> >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF > >> site. It's a > >> >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It > >> would be > >> >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on > the > >> >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be > >> sensible to > >> >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than > sitting > >> >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to > >> be able to > >> >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > >> >> > >> >> Best, > >> >> > >> >> Bill > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Avri: > >> >>> > >> >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from > >> Azerbaijan. Or > >> >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all > >> remains in > >> >>> flux. > >> >>> > >> >>> Wolfgang: > >> >>> > >> >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question > >> is: Will Sha > >> >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands > >> of the next > >> >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His > >> terms ends in > >> >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His > >> relationship > >> >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM > >> was reelected > >> >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does > >> it mean? Be > >> >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is > >> not so bad > >> >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and > >> it will > >> >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> > >> >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> >>> > >> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> >>> > >> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Fri Feb 10 04:12:43 2012 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:12:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <1202922303.75877.1328865163464.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d25> Dear Parminder and all Many thanks, Parminder, for your strong ststement on CS participation (compromise?) to "simili-MSHism" and for serving as a foil for the very interested groups. Once more I each term of your message. Instead of looking for replacing our absent members in the meeting (btw how to deal with the scandalous absence of our female CS members), CS should let their chairs ostensibly empty as to protest -at least formally- for such a biased and no longer finally bearable situation. Funding issues are inherent to a balanced CS participation (members of DCs, gender balanced) in any UN event, and -as far as we are concerned- far beyond the MAG and IGF in the whole WSIS follow-up procees. This will be clearly demonstrated at the coming WSIS Forum in next May in Geneva. Thats why CS cannot longer stay silent and live on compromises : it's highest time for the actual CS to say STOP, enough is enough. And your closing remark sounds like a watchword for us : in the WSIS process MSHism isn't but "a cover for greater corporate presence in a political space". Best Jean-Louis Fullsack CSDPTT-France > Message du 10/02/12 06:48 > De : "parminder" > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] > > Hi All > > We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it is now a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It fuels and justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG is just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already powerful. CS cannot be represented just by people who can spend their own resources or live in nearby places of the North. We as CS must call this bluff, even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an honourable and acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. > > I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at least in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility of CS participation in the system. > > On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other partisan interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also bothers me that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF improvements seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a spirited discussion, and putting up strong clear positions that defend the interests of the marginalised, whom we should most centrally be representing > > If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I think - a cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... > > parminder > > > On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: Hi Bill, > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, William Drake wrote: > Hi YJ > > Good to hear from you, sorry you can't attend. > > Personally, I wouldn't think we need to identify particular people who could stand in for the absent members at this point. Wouldn't it be better for Sala and Izumi to send Chengetai and the Azeri VM a letter expressing concern about CS' underrepresentation and asking that remedial action be allowed, options x and y? > It is worth noticing many CS folks would not be able to attend the MAG meeting with many reasons. If our IGC coordintors have enough resources to address this issue with more institutional basis to IGF secretariat, I believe it would serve us better. Thank you for your suggestion! > > As to Roland's points, sure, but having 5 or 6 empty CS seats (all women, BTW) is hardly going to be better for gender and geographic diversity than letting those who'll be here participate under whatever rubric. > BTW I would argue that the diversity obligation should apply to each stakeholder group on the MAG, not just to the MAG as a whole. > I was not aware that the principle of gender/geographical diversity was applied to MAG as a whole not to each stakeholder. As pointed out here, I support your proposal that such principle should be widely implemented to each stakeholder group's MAG selection process as well.Thanks,YJ > Best > > Bill > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:18 PM, YJ Park wrote: > > > Hi Bill and all, > > > > Thank you for raising the issues of securing voices from civil society > > in this process. > > I initially considered attending the meeting in person given the > > significance of this meeting at this juncture of our IG journey. > > However, I cannot... > > > > It is great to see a proctive proposal from Bill to delegate > > "representation" if it is accepted. Noticed Roland's points. As > > addressed, I myself would be quite sensitive to the geographical > > diversity/gender issues. > > > > Given the criticality of this upcoming MAG meeting and my difficulty > > with attending the meeting in person, I would be happy to delegate my > > MAG access to Bill, if this is permitted. > > > > If Bill is willing to ensure civil society's roles in a responsible > > manner, it would be appreciated. > > > > My apology for not attending the upcoming meeting. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > YJ > > > > > > On 2/9/12, William Drake wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> I just spoke with Chengetai, who by the time you see this will have written > >> to the MAG list. > >> > >> * No Exec. Coordinator (no money) or Special Advisor yet > >> > >> * Open consultation and MAG meeting will be chaired by the host, the Vice > >> Minister from Azerbaijan > >> > >> * No MAG rotation, the existing MAG remains in place for this meeting per > >> Sha's letter. > >> > >> * The IGF date will be announced next week, it's in November > >> > >> So at the MAG meeting next week, able to speak for civil society would be > >> > >> Mr. Al Shatti, Qusai > >> Mr. Bajwa, Fouad > >> Ms. Betancourt, Valeria > >> Ms. Hofmann, Jeanette > >> Ms. Park, Y. J. > >> Ms. Primo, Natasha > >> Ms. Rodriguez Pereda, Katitza > >> Ms. Selaimen, Graciela > >> > >> Sorry if I missed anyone in cutting and pasting from the IGF site. It's a > >> fair bet that not all of the above will be in attendance. It would be > >> helpful to know who from the current MAG will be here. And on the > >> assumption that we will not be fully represented, it might be sensible to > >> ask the chair to allow observers to participate rather than sitting > >> silently. Or if he thinks that'd be inappropriate, for CS to be able to > >> designate temporary alternates for its missing MAG members. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> > >>> Avri: > >>> > >>> I suppose by default it may end up the lead organizer from Azerbaijan. Or > >>> maybe one of the DESA people will do this meeting while all remains in > >>> flux. > >>> > >>> Wolfgang: > >>> > >>> The host country is always the Co-Chair. The other question is: Will Sha > >>> Zukang make this decision or will he leave this in the hands of the next > >>> Under Secretary Generel for Social and Economic Affairs. His terms ends in > >>> June 2012 and it is unclear whether he will continue. His relationship > >>> with Ban Kin Moon is not really a friendly one and after BKM was reelected > >>> as SG he will have his own ideas for his deputies. What does it mean? Be > >>> prepared for a continuation of an unclear situation which is not so bad > >>> (as long as the key players in the MAG drive the process) and it will > >>> strengthen the position of Chengetai (which is very good) . > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Fri Feb 10 04:14:14 2012 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:14:14 +0000 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> Message-ID: <7pfn4q3m$NNPFArt@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <4F34D4CE.6030504 at apc.org>, at 10:26:54 on Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Anriette Esterhuysen writes >If all non-governmental stakeholders were to form a common position on >support for participation we would stand a stronger change, but, the >other stakeholder groups have more resources, and are by and large >better organised. Nevertheless I would like to propose as ask them to do >a joint letter with us on the importance of supporting and facilitating >effective multi-stakeholder participation. It's the "other non-governmental stakeholders" who are providing much of the IGF's intersessional funding. http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/funding/86-donors Does anyone have a breakdown of whose expenses (stakeholder groups rather than individuals) have been paid from these funds to participate in consultation/MAG meetings in the past? -- Roland Perry -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Fri Feb 10 04:22:21 2012 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:22:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Feb 2012 Geneva meetings [Answers] In-Reply-To: References: <4F2FA1AF.4080305@apc.org> <820006AE-ABFF-4E17-931A-E03B90EFC1A2@acm.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2CA20@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2A51A8A7-06CD-48A8-A9FF-1A6DE687F717@uzh.ch> <2A1B0A9E-F977-46DC-B3F1-D49E7ED78CCA@uzh.ch> <4F34AF70.1080606@itforchange.net> <4F34D4CE.6030504@apc.org> Message-ID: <4F34E1CD.8050704@apc.org> Dear Baudouin... thanks... it is also worth remembering that civil society participation in both phases of the WSIS was supported mostly by UNESCO... particularly participation from Africa. That UNESCO is no longer playing this role, along with UNDP's overall withdrawal from WSIS follow up (mostly) has had a dramatic impact on developing country civil society participation. But expecting this to change in the near future is simply not realistic. Anriette On 10/02/12 11:03, Baudouin Schombe wrote: > Hi all, > > We are struggling for financial support for our participation in MAG and > I feel that it is also in the various activities in subregional, > regional and international. > Specifically, regarding the process of Internet governance, it should be > noted that civil society plays a major role in the implementation of ICT > projects and the fight against crime through virtual cyber crime. The > experience in Africa shows that often the impetus from the CS to the > summit of political power that are policy-makers because they are in order. > > Reduce or erase the presence of SC in the hemicycle of the debates on > Internet governance sufficiently demonstrates that the Geneva Plan of > Action and the Tunis Agenda were only dressing. Why have spent so much > money to achieve such a disappointment? > > There is no reason to give up, maybe we can think about other > fundraising mechanisms to ensure participation of civil society in the > MAG and other ICT activities at the sub regional, regional and > international levels. > > The two processes of phase I and II demonstrated sufficient relevant > consultations at national, subregional and regional levels. These are > strategies that could yield convincing results in ICT development until > now. > We are entering a new phase of cybersecurity. And that's just at that > moment that CS sees exclude debates. No, why? We have the right to > participate in these debates. > > 2012/2/10 Anriette Esterhuysen > > > Dear Parminder and all > > On 10/02/12 07:47, parminder wrote: > > Hi All > > > > We have reached a rather unacceptable, and I should say, shameful, > > situation vis a vis civil society participaiton in MAG whereby it > is now > > a regular thing that CS participation is not funded. Such > > multistakeholderism (MSism) should be rejected out of hand. It > fuels and > > justifies the doubts expressed by those who think that MSism of IG is > > just a ploy to get more seats on the table for the already > powerful. CS > > cannot be represented just by people who can spend their own resources > > or live in nearby places of the North. We as CS must call this bluff, > > even if we lose some prized positions. We can then at least fight from > > the outside, as CS has often/ largely done till we get an > honourable and > > acceptable arrangement to (also) participate from the inside. > > I agree with this position in principle, but at the same time 'fighting' > from the outside is an extremely risky strategy. > > If all non-governmental stakeholders were to form a common position on > support for participation we would stand a stronger change, but, the > other stakeholder groups have more resources, and are by and large > better organised. Nevertheless I would like to propose as ask them to do > a joint letter with us on the importance of supporting and facilitating > effective multi-stakeholder participation. > > I completely agree with Parminder that we cannot indefinitely continue > to give a process credibility when we are not able to participate > effectively. > > Lack of funding for CS participation is a UN-wide issue. APC has had to > finance our own participation in other UN spaces as well, such as the > Committee for the Advancement of Women and also the Human Rights > Council. The UN is in financial difficulties, and civil society > participation is one of many areas that are suffering as a result. > > The difference with the MAG is that it members are appointed by the UNSG > and expected to work hard and contribute to making a UN-linked process > stronger. The same applies to the CSTD WG. In this instance the UN must > take responsibility for making sure that bodies that it constitutes > function effectively. > > > > I think we should just tell them, either fund CS participation at > least > > in the core committees etc of the IGF (which is generally done for all > > the UN system) or we are not interested to lend 'them' the credibility > > of CS participation in the system. > > Agree that we should convey this to the SG as the person that appoints > the MAG. > > > > On a connected note, it bothers me a lot that inside the WG on > > Improvements to the IGF, not many of us are too keen to push for > > ensuring a regular UN budget for the IGF/ MAG etc. (Those old ghostly > > notions of UN will take over the IGF, as if corporate and other > partisan > > interested party funds controlling it is better!) It also bothers me > > that this issue, and in fact, in general, issues of IGF improvements > > seem not to bother many of us enough to bring on a spirited > discussion, > > and putting up strong clear positions that defend the interests of the > > marginalised, whom we should most centrally be representing > > Parminder is correct in that we have not had a common position, even > among CS, on UN funding for the IGF/MAG. Most governments, as well as > the tech and business communities oppose the idea. > > > Personally I don't think it is realistic, or desirable to have the IGF > funded entirely, or mostly from the UN. But I agree strongly with > Parminder that there does need to be some regular support from the UN. > In part this exists through the in-kind support given to the > secretariat. But this is not enough. > > A few areas of ongoing funding would make a big difference: > > * MAG functioning and participation - For example, a regular amount made > available every year through local UNDP offices to support participation > of non-governmental stakeholders who don't have the resources to travel > to meetings. > > * The salary of the executive coordinator, so that there can be > continuity and leadership at secretariat level. > > > In one of my inputs to the CSTD WG I had proposed a 30% UN 40% > additional (voluntary is their term) funding. But I think only Parminder > showed any support for that... it is simply not an idea that business, > or governments, or the UN itself is going to support - for various > reasons. > > Here is the text from the chairman's summary which will frame this > discussion at the next CSTD WG on IGF Improvements meeting. It is good > to note that he included this text, which was submitted by CS. He must > be commended for his respect for CS input. > > "Explore UN general funding for the core structure and functions of the > IGF, including improving participation and outreach, in addition to > welcoming voluntary private funds." > > and > > "Consider a model whereby the SG's office provides (1) in-kind support > (2) that this in-kind support is stated clearly (e.g. communications, > office space, etc.) and given an estimated dollar value in IGF budgets > (3) that some core operational expenditure, e.g. the salary of the > Executive Coordinator be funded through the UN." > > Anriette > > > > > > > If this is multistakeholderism, then its critics are right, I > think - a > > cover for greater corporate presence in political spaces.... > > > > parminder > > > > > > On Friday 10 February 2012 06:58 AM, YJ Park wrote: > >> Hi Bill, > >> On Fri, Feb 1