AW: [governance] [] US, UK and Canada refuse to sign UN's internet treaty

[Roland Perry]

In message <8307243E-F886-4B76-85A3-BA00C93318C3 at hserus.net>, at 
17:13:11 on Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> 
writes
>Do note unsolicited / unwanted to address your comment about receptiveness

I'm very receptive to many unsolicited emails, especially ones offering 
me a [genuine] job or sending me seasonal greetings. People also get 
unwanted emails one-to-one, for example when being stalked or harassed 
by an ex-partner.

As you said earlier, there's a need to involve the concept of "bulk", 
but even that fails, if someone sends an Xmas card to their entire group 
of friends.

R.

>--srs (iPad)
>
>On 23-Dec-2012, at 15:37, Roland Perry <roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>
>> In message <010601cde0ae$930397f0$b90ac7d0$@hellmonds>, at 02:41:05 
>>on Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Peter H. Hellmonds <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu> 
>>writes
>>> There are a number of references throughout the text, notably under heading
>>> 2.1 "What is spam?":
>>>
>>> "Several stakeholders have given definitions of spam, and although there are
>>> common points, there is still no universally accepted definition. Broadly
>>> speaking, spam includes all electronic messages that are unsolicited or
>>> unwanted, sent to a large number of users (bulk) without regard to the
>>> identity of the individual user, usually having commercial purposes, and
>>> that can include viruses that propagate via e-mail, or fraud and scam
>>> mechanisms."
>>
>> Curiously, this definition is almost the opposite of the previous 
>>one, concentrating as it does on "without regard to the identity of 
>>the individual user".
>>
>> Using the same terminology as my previous email, it's mainly "bad 
>>spam" which has that characteristic.
>>
>> "Good spam" is generally[1] targeted at specific people[2] as is my 
>>last category of "noise"[3].
>>
>> But if they modified the definition to "without regard to the 
>>*receptiveness*[4] of the individual user", they'd be quite close to 
>>the mark.
>>
>> [1] Although sometimes when "clueless marketers" buy lists of people 
>>to spam, those lists aren't very clean.
>>
>> [2] For example, I bought a laptop online about six years ago, and 
>>still get an email once a week asking me if I want to buy another one, 
>>listing their current special offers. Definitely targeted to former 
>>customers but also definitely spam.
>>
>> [3] Another way of looking at "noise" is that it's people cluelessly 
>>'marketing' their ideas.
>>
>> [4] Whether or not the email is "welcomed" by the recipient. However, 
>>this is such a subjective matter that it's virtually impossible to 
>>build a policy based on the concept. As a proxy, policy often uses: 
>>"did the recipient give their permission (implicitly or explicitly) to 
>>receive the email." Although that leaves many edge-cases, including 
>>the unsolicited receipt of welcome news like a job opportunity or an 
>>Xmas greeting.
>> --
>> Roland Perry
>>
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