AW: [governance] [] US, UK and Canada refuse to sign UN's internet treaty

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

That was from the heyday of the ITU actually engaging deeply with civil society and industry for those meetings, under bob shaw.  2005 or 2006 I would say, Claudia has not been in ITU for a very long time. 

The use of stakeholders is quite appropriate there, I saw several stakeholders from across the antispam community including civil society at those meetings

--srs (iPad)

On 23-Dec-2012, at 7:11, "Peter H. Hellmonds" <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu> wrote:

> 
> Another very explicit reference can be found in a paper titled
> ITU WSIS THEMATIC MEETING ON COUNTERING SPAM - SPAM IN THE INFORMATION
> SOCIETY: BUILDING FRAMEWORKS FOR INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
> http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/spam/contributions/Background%20Paper_Building%20
> frameworks%20for%20Intl%20Cooperation.pdf
> 
> ("This paper was prepared by Claudia Sarrocco, Policy Analyst, International
> Telecommunication Union, for the ITU World Summit on the Information Society
> (WSIS) Thematic Meeting on Countering Spam. The annex was compiled by
> Cristina Bueti, ITU. This meeting was organized under the ITU New
> Initiatives Programme of the Office of the Secretary-General of the ITU.")
> 
> There are a number of references throughout the text, notably under heading
> 2.1 "What is spam?":
> 
> "Several stakeholders have given definitions of spam, and although there are
> common points, there is still no universally accepted definition. Broadly
> speaking, spam includes all electronic messages that are unsolicited or
> unwanted, sent to a large number of users (bulk) without regard to the
> identity of the individual user, usually having commercial purposes, and
> that can include viruses that propagate via e-mail, or fraud and scam
> mechanisms."
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Peter H. Hellmonds [mailto:peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu] 
> Gesendet: 23 December 2012 02:28
> An: 'governance at lists.igcaucus.org'; 'Avri Doria'
> Betreff: AW: [governance] [] US, UK and Canada refuse to sign UN's internet
> treaty
> 
> Hi Avri,
> 
> You wrote:
>> Which ITU treaty or ITU standard defines what "Unsolicited bulk
> communications"  means?
> 
> Your question got me searching and I found something:
> 
> In ITU RESOLUTION 130 (Rev. Guadalajara, 2010)
> http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/intgov/resoultions_2010/PP-10/RESOLUTION_130.pdf
> on "Strengthening the role of ITU in building confidence and security in the
> use of information and communication technologies", there is a reference
> saying "that although there are no universally agreed upon definitions of
> spam and other terms in this sphere, spam was characterized by ITU-T Study
> Group 2, at its June 2006 session, as a term commonly used to describe
> unsolicited electronic bulk communications over e-mail or mobile messaging
> (SMS, MMS), usually with the objective of marketing commercial products or
> services"
> 
> It may not be a treaty or a standard, but exemplifies the way this is
> considered.
> 
> Is this helpful to the discussion?
> 
> Best,
> Peter
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] Im Auftrag von Avri Doria
> Gesendet: 17 December 2012 18:31
> An: IGC
> Betreff: Re: [governance] [] US, UK and Canada refuse to sign UN's internet
> treaty
> 
> 
> On 15 Dec 2012, at 13:04, Roland Perry wrote:
> 
>> The anti-spam industry, and several privacy laws worldwide, have
> established beyond doubt what 'Unsolicited bulk communications' means for
> over a decade. There's no need to start new hares running.
> 
> 
> Exactly where are these well established definitions?
> Which ITU treaty or ITU standard defines what "Unsolicited bulk
> communications"  means?
> 
> And I have not the faintest idea what you mean when you speak of 'hares
> running.' 
> 
> avri
> 
> 
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