AW: AW: AW: [governance] NY article expresses surprise at US walkout in Dubai

Tue Dec 18 21:20:35 EST 2012

There were about 17 countries marked ineligible to sign in an earlier communique from the SG, something about non payment of ITU dues. 

And more than one country delegation might have gone off shopping on the day of the vote. 

--srs (htc one x)

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From: "Peter H. Hellmonds" <peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu>
To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "'parminder'" <parminder at itforchange.net>
Subject: AW: AW: AW: [governance] NY article expresses  surprise at US walkout in Dubai
Date: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 6:00 AM

Parminder,

Ok, I checked my spreadsheet again and found two errand entries in my calculation. So, not 57, but only 55 countries “reserved the right to sign later”, i.e. refused to sign on the spot. The 49 other countries were not eligible to sign for some reason or another. 

Peter

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Peter

In your listing, the number 57, which is actually indicated as eligible to sign but not (yet) signed somehow seem to have magically changed to '*opposed*'.... How did you make that shift?

As I mentioned earlier, for the 1988 ITRs 75 members signed later on, which makes the practise appear quite common.

The real figure to focus on is the number of countries that have said 'they wont sign' - I figure this number at present is between 12 to 20. I am happy to be corrected on this 'key figure'. 

As for matching democracy indices, these are spins being put that are unnecessary... Wonder is someone wants to do a colour of skin index match as well .  More seriously, why not match an index of whether a country allows software patents or not, and in general how strong (or bad) is its digital IP policy -- an issue very germane to global regulation of the digital space, or of the Internet...... 

Political economy question with regard to the global communication realm are as important as FoE questions. Just asking for greater balance, that is all. A balance that the civil society involved with global IG seem to have entirely entirely lost. 

parminder 

On Tuesday 18 December 2012 02:06 AM, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:

Parminder,

The original figures come from another list (itu2012chapters at elists.isoc.org and WCIT at lmlist.state.gov). Sorry, I’m sometimes losing track of who sees what since there are multiple lists where the same is discussed, with often the same people on multiple lists.

Dave Burstein sent a message on Friday, 14 Dec, with the Subject: [Itu2012chapters] list of signers and those who haven't signed” and that contained an attachment with figures he had received from the ITU. There is a country-by-country list, sorted by region, and showing in green, red and white those who signed, those who did not, and those who could not. I just calculated a few statistics based on those numbers:

195 countries overall

7.016 billion people overall

89 (46%) countries signed (green) – representing 3.834 billion people (55%)

57 (29%) countries opposed (red) – representing 2.574 billion people (37%)

49 (25%) countries open (white) – representing 0.606 billion people (9%)

I have asked Dave whether it is ok to forward his message and the attachment to this list. 

Interesting also the following infographic:

http://infogr.am/-mebuell_1355447340

“There is a clear correlation between a state's ranking in the Democracy Index and how their position on the International Telecommunication Regulations (ITR) at the International Telecommunication Union's (ITU) World Conference on Information Technology (WCIT-12). “

The chart categorizes countries in four categories (full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid regime, and authoritarian regime) and shows percentages of those in each category who voted for (red) or against (green) the ITRs. (Note: color code reversed versus the ITU coding).

Regards,

Peter

Peter H. Hellmonds

Public & International Affairs

peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu

+49 (160) 360-2852

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Peter

Yes, it is useful to get the right figures. The important figure is of those who have refused to sign. As for those who havent refused and havent signed, it may be useful to know that it is normal for many countries to sign such important and binding documents like treaties after a round of consultation at home. In 1988, 112 countries signed up on the last day of the WCIT and 75 signed up later.... So, a huge number of countries deciding to take time is quite normal. Many reports are making this number look as suggesting much less support for the ITRs than there actually is. This side of mis- representation must also be kept in mind.  

The NYT correspondent says that " By Friday evening, 89 of 144 countries that were eligible to vote had signed the document and about two dozen had indicated that they would not...."

You say " Of 195 countries listed (including the Vatican), 89 (46%) signed the treaty, whereas 57 (29%) did not sign it and 49 (25%) of the countries were undecided or needed to consult with their capital...."

Can you share the source of your information. The number actually saying they 'wont sign' is most significant. And there seems to a confusion in this regard vis a vis your numbers (is it 57? ) and other reports - NYT says 24 have said they 'wont sign'. What is the actual count of 'those who have refused to sign' ...

parminder 

On Sunday 16 December 2012 09:02 PM, Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:

The New York Times wrote:

“The American delegation, joined by a handful of Western allies, derided the treaty as a threat to Internet freedom. But most other nations signed it.”

Guess we need to send the NY Times reporter some real statistics and correct the reporting:

Regarding the “handful of Western allies”:

Of the 42 European countries, 35 countries refused to sign the treaty.

Of the 35 countries in The Americas, 6 countries refused to sign the treaty.

So, while the American delegation was joined by only a handful of allies in The Americas, it was forcefully supported by seven handfuls of European allies, plus 3 handfuls of allies from African, Asian and CIS countries.

And it is clear that the European countries were not merely following the lead of the US, but had very clearly stated in prior consultations what they would stand for and what not. The “what not” was that Europe did not want the ITRs to extend to the Internet or content, including spam, or security issues.

Regarding the “most other nations signed it”:

Of 195 countries listed (including the Vatican), 89 (46%) signed the treaty, whereas 57 (29%) did not sign it and 49 (25%) of the countries were undecided or needed to consult with their capital. How could this reporter claim that “most other nations signed it”?? 

Peter H. Hellmonds

Public & International Affairs

peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu

+49 (160) 360-2852

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NewYork Times

Message, if Murky, From U.S. to the World

*	by ERIC PFANNER 
*	Dec. 14, 2012 

At the global treaty conference on telecommunications here, the United States got most of what it wanted. But then it refused to sign the document and left in a huff. 

What was that all about? And what does it say about the future of the Internet — which was virtually invented by the United States but now has many more users in the rest of the world? 

It may mean little about how the Internet will operate in the coming years. But it might mean everything about the United States’ refusal to acknowledge even symbolic global oversight of the network. 

The American delegation, joined by a handful of Western allies, derided the treaty as a threat to Internet freedom. But most other nations signed it. And other participants in the two weeks of talks here were left wondering on Friday whether the Americans had been negotiating in good faith or had planned all along to engage in a public debate only to make a dramatic exit, as they did near midnight on Thursday as the signing deadline approached. 

The head of the American delegation, Terry Kramer, announced that it was “with a heavy heart” that he could not “sign the agreement in its current form.” United States delegates said the pact could encourage censorship and undermine the existing, hands-off approach to Internet oversight and replace it with government control. 

Anyone reading the treaty, though, might be puzzled by these assertions. “Internet” does not appear anywhere in the 10-page text, which deals mostly with matters like the fees that telecommunications networks should charge one another for connecting calls across borders. After being excised from the pact at United States insistence, the I-word was consigned to a soft-pedaled resolution that is attached to the treaty. 

The first paragraph of the treaty states: “These regulations do not address the content-related aspects of telecommunications.” That convoluted phrasing was understood by all parties to refer to the Internet, delegates said, but without referring to it by name so no one could call it an Internet treaty. 

A preamble to the treaty commits the signers to adopt the regulations “in a manner that respects and upholds their human rights obligations.” 

Both of these provisions were added during the final days of haggling in Dubai, with the support of the United States. If anything, the new treaty appears to make it more intellectually challenging for governments like China and Iran to justify their current censorship of the Internet. 

What’s more, two other proposals that raised objections from the United States were removed. One of those stated that treaty signers should share control over the Internet address-assignment system — a function now handled by an international group based in the United States. The other, also removed at the Americans’ behest, called for Internet companies like Google and Facebook to pay telecommunications networks for delivering material to users. 

Given that the United States achieved many of its stated goals in the negotiations, why did it reject the treaty in an 11th-hour intervention that had clearly been coordinated with allies like Britain and Canada? 

In a Dubai conference call with reporters early on Friday, Mr. Kramer cited a few remaining objections, like references to countering spam and to ensuring “the security and robustness of international telecommunications networks.” This wording, he argued, could be used by nefarious governments to justify crackdowns on free speech. 

But even Mr. Kramer acknowledged that his real concerns were less tangible, saying it was the “normative” tone of the debate that had mattered most. The United States and its allies, in other words, saw a chance to use the treaty conference to make a strong statement about the importance of Internet freedom. But by refusing to sign the treaty and boycotting the closing ceremony, they made clear that even to talk about the appearance of global rules for cyberspace was a nonstarter. 

It may have been grandstanding, but some United States allies in Europe were happy to go along, saying the strong American stand would underline the importance of keeping the Internet open. 

“This could be a watershed moment in the discussion of Internet freedom,” said Jochem de Groot, senior policy officer for the Internet and human rights in the Foreign Ministry of the Netherlands, which joined the United States in opposition to the pact. 

That the talks — convened by a United Nations agency, the International Telecommunication Union — took place in this economically liberal but socially and politically battened-down emirate underscored the symbolism of the United States boycott of the final treaty. 

“There were a lot of messages being sent to countries around the world,” said Moez Chakchouk, chief executive of the Tunisian Internet Agency, in an interview. “It’s a good message to start the debate.” 

Since the Arab Spring deposed the authoritarian government of President Zine el-Abidine Ben-Ali of Tunisia, that country has taken a strong stand in support of Internet freedom. Nonetheless, Mr. Chakchouk said his government would sign the telecommunications treaty because he was satisfied with the free-speech guarantees that had been written into it. 

“It’s important for all of us to work together,” he said. “It’s not good when one country doesn’t understand the issues.” 

Working together could become more challenging as the Internet — especially bandwidth-hungry video applications — accounts for an ever greater share of global telecommunications traffic, and as more people in developing countries go online. 

According to Hamadoun Touré, secretary-general of the telecommunication union, the goal of the treaty was not to take control of the Internet — as critics had contended — but to narrow the digital divide. 

While the United States was talking about the open Internet, Mr. Touré and developing countries were talking about opening the Internet to more of the 4.5 billion people around the world who remain offline. 

Mr. Touré emphasized treaty proposals for stimulating investment in broadband networks, for reducing cellphone roaming costs and for extending Internet access to disabled people in developing countries. The goal was to expand broadband at an affordable cost, not to regulate the content that travels on the Internet, he said. 

“What is the meaning of building cars if there are no highways for them to drive on?” Mr. Touré said at a news conference on Friday, where the telecommunication union tried to put a positive spin on the messy pileup of the previous evening. 

As developing countries gain better access, the numbers game will continue to tilt against the United States and other developed countries that have championed the cause of an open Internet. The Internet population of China — 538 million as of June, according to the Chinese government — is already nearly double that of the United States. 

Mr. Kramer said that as Internet use expands in developing countries, governments and citizens of these countries might also grow more tolerant of it. 

“It is clear that the world community is a crossroads in its view of the Internet and its relationship to society in the coming century,” Mr. Kramer said. 

By Friday evening, 89 of 144 countries that were eligible to vote had signed the document and about two dozen had indicated that they would not, Mr. Touré said, with the rest still undecided or undeclared. Holdouts could change their minds and sign later. Mr. Touré said he was hopeful that the United States would eventually do so, though Mr. Kramer said this was unlikely. 

Otherwise, the events in Dubai raise the curious prospect of a treaty largely negotiated to suit the United States’ position and applying mostly to developing countries, many of which seemed perfectly happy with the outcome. 

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