[governance] How cooperation could be defined ?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Sometimes it is about taking horses to water vs making it drink.  Such as pricing distortions introduced by government enforced monopolies, possibly combined with lack of market demand that pushes up costs by not allowing the provider of such services to leverage economies of scale.  Which are both a significant factor in the high Internet access and domain name prices that you see across large parts of Africa.

The other factor, a sort of more legitimate reason, is the difficulty that landlocked African countries face in getting access to any other than expensive satellite connectivity.  Sometimes because of financial reasons and other times because it is much more difficult to run terrestrial buried fiber cables through difficult terrain and possibly across some highly unsafe national borders due to civil war and/or other reasons.  Over nd above that, there are astonishingly high levels of corruption that makes deep inroads into any sort of available budget.

Please don't over stress your family's colonial background. In this day and age, whatever is wrong today in Africa is, to a great extent, a problem of purely local manufacture, and this is the same in other former colonies such as say India and Pakistan.

--srs (iPad)

On 17-Dec-2012, at 3:02, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:

> Dear McTim,
> 
> I'm going to answer also to a former post where you said that you saw how Isoc makes great efforts to help developping countries, in the field of capacity building and GIX creation.
> I beg your pardon. I could not find time enough to answer earlier.
> 
> Please, don't understand what I'm saying as a personal reproach. A big part of my family was colonial actors in Vietnam at the beginning of the XXth century. I can insure that the most part of the colons were absolutely sure that they were helping the country where they were living.
> 
> US IT companies do have great interests in the growth of the African market.
> 
> After all these efforts to help African countries to get into a connected way, how is it that Africa connected people number is 15,6% compared to 78,6% in North America?
> You can verify the stats there: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm
> 
> It's not incompatible with a handful advanced countries, some great IT companies and a lot of excellent researchers. 
> Plethora of graduates is actually a sign of contemporary "underdevelopment".
> 
> Did you ever try to subscribe an Internet connection at an African ISP? Or to buy African domain names?
> 
> Send me 693 €, I'll buy for you a mctim.cg. Sorry, mctim.cd is cheaper: only 115 €.
> 
> @+, cheers, Dominique
>  -- 
> Dominique Lacroix
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Le 16/12/12 21:29, McTim a écrit :
>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Dominique Lacroix <dl at panamo.eu> wrote:
>>> Hello world :-)
>>> 
>>> Fadi Chehadé explains :
>>> There is no war between ITU and ICANN, and there will not.
>>> We must engage in a new season of cooperation, in the respect of each role.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sC6-e8hk4
>>> 
>>> The first part of the WCIT shows disagrement between North and South.
>>> Because Northern governments and companies would be satisfied without
>>> regulation, as in the great era of the free seas and freedom of commerce.
>>> And South cannot access and build Net services in such conditions. Too
>>> expensive...
>> 
>> Do you have any evidence of this assertion?
>> 
>> I'm currently wearing a t-shirt that says "Ushahidi", an example (one
>> of hundreds I could name) of net services coming from Africa.
>> 
>> 
> 
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