[governance] WCIT melt down

Mawaki Chango kichango at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 18:49:16 EST 2012 

India's official stance now released:

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=90748

-mc

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> wrote:
> Thanks. My quick count is 89 of 144 signed the final treaty and 55 did not.
>
> -Declan
>
>
> On 12/14/12 2:57 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>>
>> Here is the ITU official table of the voting (the ones voting in favor
>> are in green):
>>
>> http://www.itu.int/osg/wcit-12/highlights/signatories.html
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 12/14/2012 06:05 AM, parminder wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> my information is specific to the voting that took place yesterday,
>>> India was among 77 that voted for...
>>>
>>> On Friday 14 December 2012 01:08 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you can sue various newspapers for lying then
>>>>
>>>> here's one to start with, with statements from the DoT that are
>>>> remarkably divergent from their earlier position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.livemint.com/Industry/3gtX8BWmMEaIfNyCfFI7xL/UN-group-gives-nod-for-greater-Internet-oversight.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --srs (iPad)
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Dec-2012, at 12:30, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>>>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday 14 December 2012 11:18 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This outcome from WCIT has actually given me a lot more hope. Hope
>>>>>> that various countries will realize that pushing these through the
>>>>>> ITU is a non starter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am glad to see that India voted against the ITRs too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A falsehood...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> For all the initial rubbish about CIRP, and for all DoT's initial
>>>>>> submission that suggested the contrary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --srs (iPad)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Dec-2012, at 11:10, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net
>>>>>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday 14 December 2012 10:00 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So why did he encourage plenary to spend so many hours on Human
>>>>>>>> Rights? It seemed to obsess him, he was personally stung by
>>>>>>>> comments and concerns (very legitimate) that some proposal had
>>>>>>>> potential to harm fundamental rights. How many full sessions
>>>>>>>> discussed a single line of text in the preamble, 2, 3, more? All
>>>>>>>> for his own PR, he said as much, it was about the press and
>>>>>>>> perception. So I wonder, if he has used the same passion and time
>>>>>>>> to persuade and cajole delegates to think of ways in which the
>>>>>>>> ITRs could contain high-level and lasting principles that
>>>>>>>> encouraged the spread of/access to broadband across the globe,
>>>>>>>> perhaps we would have had something useful and lasting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you suggest how ITRs could have encouraged spread of broadband
>>>>>>> without mentioning Internet or broadband (which is Internet) in the
>>>>>>> ITRs? You know that one side was completely intent that, what come
>>>>>>> may, Internet/ broadband cannot find mention in the ITRs....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with the WCIT process was that it was a battle between
>>>>>>> two sides both with an entirely negative agenda. One side wanted to
>>>>>>> prevent US et all from making a historical point that Internet is
>>>>>>> an unregulated space - whereby their new global domination strategy
>>>>>>> could be unrestrained. The other side was trying to prevent China/
>>>>>>> Russia et all from changing the basic nature of the global Internet
>>>>>>> into a tightly state controlled space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The middle, which is supposed to be the sane lot, and that should
>>>>>>> have included many countries, as well as, prominently, the civil
>>>>>>> society, which is supposed to contribute a positive agenda,
>>>>>>> failed. That I think is the primary failure here. The 'sane public
>>>>>>> interest-oriented middle' did not get formed. And the civil society
>>>>>>> was supposed to have a big role in it. So, perhaps, we failed, more
>>>>>>> than anyone else. (Do we want to look into this failure?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A global treaty, especially as concerning a matter of such
>>>>>>> monumental importance as the Internet, is supposed to give the
>>>>>>> people of the world some hope.... Take any treaty or global summit
>>>>>>> process till now, whether concerning climate change, trade,
>>>>>>> traditional knowledge, etc etc........... There is always some hope
>>>>>>> built from a summit/ treaty process, and civil society is on the
>>>>>>> side of this positive hope. Mostly leading the positive hope brigade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What was the hope or positive expectation offered by the WCIT? Was
>>>>>>> there any? No, none. It was a battle between two perverse agendas.
>>>>>>> And, I dare say, good that neither won, and the process broke down.
>>>>>>> I highly appreciate the sentiment of Marilia's email, but in this
>>>>>>> case, I am not too unhappy that the treaty process kind of failed.
>>>>>>> I am not celebrating the breakdown of dialogue. I am hopeful that
>>>>>>> this breakdown will come as a positive shake-up to our collective
>>>>>>> and selective slumbers that many of us seem to be caught in, in
>>>>>>> terms of public interest regulation of the Internet. My hope is
>>>>>>> that such shake-up will now start a real honest dialogue. Thus I am
>>>>>>> still celebrating the process of dialogue - honest and open
>>>>>>> dialogue about real issues (and not shadow boxing) and beyond
>>>>>>> selective hype, focussed on global public interest and not narrow
>>>>>>> partisan agendas as the WCIT process was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The situation which had been reached in the WCIT process, I am
>>>>>>> completely unable to figure out, if WCIT process had succeeded,
>>>>>>> /what would it have succeeded at./ I am unable to form any
>>>>>>> conception of what I could have considered as WCIT success - that,
>>>>>>> one could say proudly, /it gave the world this and this/.... I will
>>>>>>> be happy if anyone here can share any such possible conception of a
>>>>>>> 'successful WCIT' (keeping within the limits in which WCIT process
>>>>>>> has been trapped for a long time now), and perhaps I can still be
>>>>>>> persuade to feel bad about this 'failure'. But right now, I am
>>>>>>> unable to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> parminder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead he seems to have allowed the Union under his leadership to
>>>>>>>> become divided. We'll see how badly later on. Also found his
>>>>>>>> comments last night poor: Last night: "I have been saying in the
>>>>>>>> run-up to this conference that this conference is not about
>>>>>>>> governing the internet. I repeat, that the conference did not
>>>>>>>> include provisions on the internet in the treaty text." etc.
>>>>>>>> Opening plenary: "In preparing for this conference, we have seen
>>>>>>>> and heard many comments about ITU or the United Nations trying to
>>>>>>>> take over the Internet. Let me be very clear one more time: WCIT
>>>>>>>> is not about taking over the Internet. And WCIT is not about
>>>>>>>> Internet governance." Sorry, that's twisting words and twisting
>>>>>>>> generally. The resolutions are part of the ITRs, they can be
>>>>>>>> binding on the secretariat, they are "WICT. So I wonder if Toure's
>>>>>>>> blown his chance for a legacy. Best, Adam
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14/12/2012 4:31 p.m., Adam Peake wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Toure's words of congratulation (and sound-bites for the media)
>>>>>>>>>> we hollow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>>
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