[governance] Fwd: [ NNSquad ] New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that Google did not violate antitrust laws
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Thu Dec 13 20:57:58 EST 2012
So we seem to have two distinct groups of equally vocal participants here on the list, who agree on some issues and have a broad disagreement on a set of other issues
If this was the WCIT this list would have derailed ages back. That its still going strong is a tribute to the resilience of civil society and the recognition of a rather broad and at times extremely divergent set of views
So Sala, in the interests of brevity, I will agree to disagree with you, and some other colleagues on this list, on this issue
--srs (htc one x)
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From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "Adam Peake" <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [ NNSquad ] New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that Google did not violate antitrust laws
Date: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 6:53 AM
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:
> No thank you. Most of the discussion sounds only too familiar to me from
> similar lists before the Athens IGF. I don't see as broad a consensus for
> your assertion below though. For, as Adam Peake reminded us all, it is
> called "Internet" governance.
>
> There is the simple thing called ignoring the thread and commenting on the
ones you wish to - really - it is that simple :)
>
>
> On 14-Dec-2012, at 6:36, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> If we all got back to discussing outcomes from this vote that got forced
>> at Dubai, and leave google versus various regulators each to their own
>> devices?
>>
>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>
> Some would argue otherwise and say that this is linked to the motivations
> behind some of the MNCs position as they lobby and advocate at the WCIT. It
> is the responsibility of civil society to explore and tease out some of
> these motivations particularly when the interests often masquerade behind
> fighting for a free and open internet. Numerous posts on this thread and on
> the topic prior to your joining us in the IGC and I invite you to go
> through the archives, pour through some of the literature that abounds on
> the matter. For the record, this is part of Internet Governance.
>
>>
>> On 14-Dec-2012, at 1:15, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>
>>> Does the G in IGC now stand for Google?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>> It is entertaining to watch feathers ruffled when criticisms against
>> Google is launched.
>>
>> Google is not bad - really, it is not a monster - it has done and
>> continues to lots of great work - but the whole point of Internet
>> Governance is to engage in discussions on issues that affect stakeholders.
>> We are very appreciative of the wonderful things that Google has done in
>> relation to helping Japan recover from the Tsunami through getting victims
>> to post messages - helping out in Haiti during the earth quake. At the same
>> time there are certain aspects of Google's operations that require
>> discussion.
>>
>> The same can be said when critiquing other stakeholders within the
>> Internet Governance and the point is not the critiquing but in the
>> constructive dialogue of how things can be improved to impact on the
>> average end user.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:07 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I will leave the editorialising to others...
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren at vortex.com>
>>> > Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM
>>> > Subject: [ NNSquad ] New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that
>>> Google did
>>> > not violate antitrust laws
>>> > To: nnsquad at nnsquad.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > New York Post: FTC reportedly will find that Google did not violate
>>> > antitrust laws
>>> >
>>> > http://j.mp/TdAByO (New York Post)
>>> >
>>> > "Federal regulators are expected to close a year-long probe of
>>> Google's
>>> > search business without finding any antitrust violations, The Post
>>> has
>>> > learned. The Federal Trade Commission is expected to announce
>>> before
>>> > the end of the year that Google's search engine did not cause any
>>> > consumer harm or favor its own businesses, sources close to the
>>> > situation said."
>>> >
>>> > - - -
>>> >
>>> > Hoping this report from The New York Post is correct. There obviously
>>> > has been no consumer harm, and the attacks on Google in this sphere
>>> > have been driven by Google's competitors who just can't match the
>>> > quality of Google's services on their own.
>>> >
>>> > --Lauren--
>>> > Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren
>>> > Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility:
>>> > http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info Founder:
>>> > - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org
>>> > - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info
>>> > - Data Wisdom Explorers League: http://www.dwel.org
>>> > - Global Coalition for Transparent Internet Performance:
>>> > http://www.gctip.org
>>> > Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
>>> > Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
>>> > Google+: http://vortex.com/g+lauren / Twitter:
>>> http://vortex.com/t-lauren
>>> > Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > McTim
>>> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>> route
>>> > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>>> >
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>>
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>
> Twitter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Tel: +679 3544828
> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
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