[governance] <nettime> riseup server seized

[Daniel Kalchev]

On 20.04.12 15:00, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <4F913C1C.9050908 at digsys.bg>, at 13:36:12 on Fri, 20 Apr 
> 2012, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> writes
>> On the other hand, about the only reason the police might want to 
>> seize a server like this (assuming it is indeed true that messages 
>> leave no traces in logs etc)
>
> The police can't just assume there's no trace, they have to 
> investigate. It's surprising how often it does transpire that 
> something useful can be discovered (I have no idea of the details of 
> these particular servers).

This is indeed true, in many cases, despite claims. But, the police 
cannot just go out and announce publicly that those servers in fact do 
store traces... and possibly a lot of other identifying information as 
well. This might be disclosed somehow during a trial, eventually.

> I find it a bit ironic when the police are turned away time and time 
> again by people saying "I won't help you, go get a search warrant", 
> and then cry foul when the police do exactly that.

It is of course always more productive to cooperate with the police, 
because usually they need a lot of help in these cases. There are a lot 
of things they simply do not know about technology and sometimes make 
naive decisions. Of course, the police will have to handle the case 
anyway, so by not cooperating you invite them to do something overly 
stupid (and possibly damaging).

Unfortunately, a lot of criminals get away by 'cooperating' with the 
police -- so there is need for some balance. Most of all, education on 
possibilities and interaction (of the police and the operators) helps.

Daniel

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