From nhklein at gmx.net Fri Sep 30 22:14:49 2011 From: nhklein at gmx.net (nhklein) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:14:49 +0700 Subject: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5CA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5CA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E867799.9080608@gmx.net> On 10/01/2011 01:26 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Thanks > > yoyu are right. We should invite the Chinese government for a dialogue in 2012. > > wolfgang Very good suggestion - direct talk is good, and not only talking with assumed "friends." Norbert Klein > From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com] > Sent: Fri 9/30/2011 5:53 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Izumi AIZU > Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting > > > Dear Wolfgang, > > > This initiative to reach out to Governments would further the acceptability of the multi-stakeholder model. Setting up meetings with Government Delegations, Senior Government functionaries from different parts of the world, one after another at every IGF / regional IGFs / MAG meetings would be opportunities for Government to 'see' the Civil Society face to face, which would favorably bring down the distance from Civil Society and Government. Same could be done with Business and Technical communities. > > > At ICANN at least a few members of the Business Constituency, and perhaps even one or two members of the Board were rather reluctant, if not apprehensive about working with At-Large. Meetings with the Board and more recently the meetings with the Business Constituency have favorably altered the way each see the other. > > I don't view this merely as meetings between IGC and Government, but more as the beginning of Civil Society's informal Interactions with other stakeholders, beginning with IGC meetings with the American / EU Governments. Please take this forward further. > > > > Sivasubramanian M > > ISOC India Chennai > http://isocindiachennai.org > > > facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh > LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 > Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz > http://internetstudio.in/ -- A while ago, I started a new blog: ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia http://www.thinking21.org/ continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia. Norbert Klein nhklein at gmx.net Phnom Penh / Cambodia ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 04:56:04 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 09:56:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeremy, good morning, I thank you for this very important information. I arrive in Nairobi on September 26 at 16.20h Go directly to the symposium for Giganet also attend this meeting. Regarding the last point, I suggest that consideration be seeking financial support to national platforms of the Internet Governance for workshops before and after IGF international. This will allow national IGF to mobilize and to prepare local actors for sub regional IGF. These are already supported by ICANN, ISOC and some partners. From experience, and in the case of the DRC, I managed to attract the interest of many technical players on the various topics discussed at sub regional and international IGF. It would be a nice connection between the national and sub regional IGF.It is not lack of human resources but a lack of political vision. For this reason, in Central Africa, we opted for rotating the workshops in each country of Central Africa as in West Africa, in East Africa and Southern Africa. Central Africa is a sub regions where we have not yet managed to bring concerted action on the ICT strategy. Baudouin 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. > Suggested items for the agenda are: > > > - IGC's workshops at this IGF > - Next coordinator elections > - Working groups of the IGC > - Strategic direction for the IGC > - Review of the IGC charter > - Other Internet governance processes > > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Thu Sep 1 07:48:42 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 14:48:42 +0300 Subject: [governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175493707A@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175493707A@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E5F711A.8040802@digsys.bg> On 31.08.11 23:07, Milton L Mueller wrote: > If you can think of some simple way around this problem, more power to > you. You'll get the Nobel prize. But please don't trivialize the > difficulty of this problem, or attribute it to a conspiracy of evil > neoliberals. (In fact, Chinese and Soviet Marxists are famous for > putting the most emphasis on the production of physical goods and > touting such statistics as proof of the superiority of socialism). This one reserved response, although some of the other points you debated are important. Take it however you like, that will not change history. But... believe it or not "they produce more so they claim to be superior" is what that (most call it "comunist" although it never ever claimed to have reached the 'communism' level) -- is exactly what was attributed to the "other side", that is "The Imperialism". So you see, both parties in that cold war pointed fingers at each other and claimed that the other side is practicing what the other side was accusing them of. Funny world. In reality however (having lived in the last decades of that system and the 'new' system thereafter), I can definitely claim that you are wrong. That system, possibly not a motivation but as a side effect (we will never know) has assigned lower priority to greed and production/consumption - it had significantly more focus on non-monetary benefits. Such as education and social benefits. Also, production was much, much lower. I do remember well our grandparent's opinion on this --- they have lived before/during WW2 and could compare the quality of life before/during/after that system --- and their opinion was very strong on this. So strong, that for decades now we have the situation that the primary voters for the former Communist (now, Socialist) Party were the so called "red grandmothers" -- who still lived in the past and their good memories were abused. That system was far from perfect, of course. But your assertion about focus on production is plain wrong. This all however is quite off-topic. Except, by the way, we started our work on Internet in Bulgaria during that system. Without the government even knowing it. Or the next few governments. Daniel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kerry at kdbsystems.com Thu Sep 1 11:40:35 2011 From: kerry at kdbsystems.com (Kerry Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 15:40:35 +0000 Subject: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose laws apply, and whose do not In-Reply-To: References: <4E5B2BF4.9090902@digsys.bg> <20110829112629.A8C2A15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch> <4E5BA94D.1080703@digsys.bg> <20110829173418.D3B0D15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch> <4E5D3B2E.4050901@digsys.bg> <4E5E4663.6080605@digsys.bg> Message-ID: Another example of trying to figure out whose laws apply and the problems that arise when the laws from different countries conflict. < http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/european-companies-need-confidence-over-patriot-act-concerns/56878?tag=nl.e539 > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 11:42:32 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:42:32 -0700 Subject: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES apply, and whose do not In-Reply-To: <4E5EADF0.8030407@rkey.com> Message-ID: Good questions Craig... My use of "we" in the note was firstly refering to the folks on this elist and secondarily I guess, although that wasn't part of my thinking, CS as a whole. How the second "we" at least "constitute themselves as agents" is part, I guess of the thinking that needs to be done and is most certainly not a trivial question. Best, M -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Craig Simon Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES apply, and whose do not Michael, The question ultimately hinges on who makes up the "we" in your sentence, "my position was that we need to be thinking of global governance institutions and thus global measurements/measurement strategies..." How do the members of "we" constitute themselves as agents capable of voicing grievances and making demands in the first place? Who counts? Who gets counted? And so on. Of course, no practical mechanism exists to coalesce expressions of their/our grievances and demands at a massively internetworked level (despite my lonely efforts to build one). Consequently, there's lots of open ground for individuals to show up in Internet governance fora like these claiming they know what "Netizens" (or humans at an expressly global level) want, or should want. That's politics, which is fine by me. I don't think that we who participate on these discussion lists need much reminding that "we" have yet to be heard. In any case, if the makeup of "we" ever is sorted out, building a knowledgebase that draws sober and insightful attention to statistics of economic well being will be an important test of institutional legitimacy. So I applaud your efforts. Craig Simon On 8/31/11 3:56 PM, michael gurstein wrote: > Very interesting Craig... > > I understand you here as linking the question of Internet measurement > into the broader question of Internet identity i.e. as reflecting a > shift away from "national" statistics to "identity" based statistics > but understood in a global rather than a national context (to tie this > discussion back into the earlier one--where my position was that we > need to be thinking of global governance institutions and thus global > measurements/measurement strategies, rather than national ones (such > as the SNA/GDP etc. > > I'm not exactly sure where this goes from practically but I think > conceptually you are suggesting something quite valuable. > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 12:16:37 2011 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:16:37 +0200 Subject: [governance] WIPO moves into Internet policy, seeking mandate for opening internet intermediary liability protections, and enforcement In-Reply-To: <8C2D6A70-DDFD-4EF1-8712-1AA5CFD5173D@consensus.pro> References: <8C2D6A70-DDFD-4EF1-8712-1AA5CFD5173D@consensus.pro> Message-ID: <4E5FAFE5.3070301@gmail.com> Forwarded from another list with permission. Riaz From: Nick Ashton-Hart Dear All, I thought I should acquaint you with a real problem we are having in Geneva - The Secretariat at WIPO is clearly looking to insert itself as a player in Internet governance by trying to create a broad agenda on intermediary liability in both trademark and copyright policy. On June 8th, in an interview (24thminute) at the World Copyright Summit, the Director General said that the copyright agenda at WIPO: ?? tends to be a negative one. It tends to be looking at the exceptions, the limitations, and the other ways of not having intellectual property. I?m very keen to see us coming back with a positive agenda for intellectual property.? The IFLA, WBU, eIFL and CCIA objected in writing and asked for clarification of the DG?s position on 13thJune. At a meeting with the DG he was defensive and dismissive of our concerns, noting that ?making you [NGOs] happy is not my priority.? In the same interview (about 7m20s), on the subject of Internet intermediary liability shields, he was asked if he believed reform of intermediary liability protection regimes in the Internet Treaties was necessary, he said ? ?Yes? I think it?s essential, it?s key, but I don?t think we?re in a position, anyone?s in a position to impose solutions in this area. We have to work out solutions, I think, by dialogue. It?s necessary for the intermediaries ? the telcos, the ISPs ? to come together with the content providers, we have to have that dialogue ?? When asked if WIPO would be willing to ?lead the way? in creating ?meaningful dialogue? that might ?lead to some new frameworks?? He said that this was a part of ?? bringing WIPO into the 21stcentury ? it is a terribly important thing for us to do ? we are trying to stimulate that discussion, we are trying to move the member-states ? if we are able to stimulate a discussion about the profound consequences of the digital environment for the financing of culture in the 21stcentury ? it will become evident that the intermediaries are a key to the future solution.? The DG likes what WIPO calls "stakeholder dialogues" - where key stakeholders on opposite sides of an issue meet under WIPO?s auspices, with WIPO playing an arbitration/convening role to discuss issues of disagreement in hopes of creating a breakthrough. These processes then report back to member-state diplomats (most of whom are general foreign-service people with no substantive expertise in the issues). WIPO's efforts in doing this have so far been failures which have come with a high price at times for the participants. With respect to the visually impaired and their access to books, a stakeholder dialogue was convened at the request of the member-states in the copyright committee at WIPO, composed of the visually impaired and publishers the to try and get the parties to find practical solutions for moving books around (homepage here ). This has now largely collapsed , because the blind found that the publishers were using it to sabotage attempts to get a binding solution to a big problem - less than 5% of books are available in blind-accessible versions. The Stakeholder Dialogue was being used to justify no binding norms by publishers and publisher-friendly governments. WIPO and Intermediary Liability in Copyright The Secretariat are very active in this area, quite out of the blue. They undertaken a series of panel discussions and released two new reports. Because they have no member-state mandate, they are organising these meetings in combination with the Internet Society. So far, they have or are: * Held a joint session with ISOC at the WSIS Forum 2011 where the only speaker other than WIPO and ISOC was a person from the Korean Copyright office extolling the virtues of their three-strikes laws. Many present objected to such an unbalanced panel. WIPO promised their subsequent panels would be balanced. * Held a joint side event on Wednesday 21st June where there were no intermediaries on the panel once again - but the President of HADOPI and Ted Shapiro of the film industry both were, pushing a heavy copyright enforcement agenda and endorsing WIPO work in this area. This meeting was held during the Standing Committee on Copyright and Related Rights as it undertakes a two-year process of looking into limitations and exceptions for the visually impaired, education, and libraries. Given the agenda in L&Es, you would think WIPO would spend its time helping member-states understand those issues better, rather than trying to introduce new issues. There is a report of the meeting here by Matthias Langenegger - CCIA was invited at the last minute but declined to participate because the panel was so unbalanced; WIPO then went to EFF who declined for the same reason. * Attended a 20-country intergovernmental meeting in Thailand in May where WIPO admitted they had persuaded the organisers to put Internet intermediary liability on the agenda. I have asked for more information on this meeting from WIPO, but I haven?t received any details. * Published two reports on Intermediary liability, available here . * Organising a joint event at the Internet Governance Forum in Kenya - details here . In trademarks, the Secretariat proposed (see paras 69-71, page 11) in March 2011 that the Standing Committee on Trademarks should ??develop agreed standards for the determination of the presence or absence of secondary liability of Internet intermediaries ?? This proposal was defeated , thanks in part at least to the work of CCIA and its member companies interacting with member-states but the Director-General made clear that he will not give up ? as according to him a ?public policy solution? at the international level to the ?problems to be solved? is necessary. Given these statements and activities, the interest in regulating the Internet for trademark owners and pushing the issue of Internet intermediaries in copyright cannot be anything other than an orchestrated and deliberate campaign to create a role in Internet policy for WIPO despite a the lack of member-state support for it ? or, frankly, much by way of expertise: a Director-level staff member recently asked a group of Internet intermediaries the question ?What is Web 2.0?? Bottom line: We need more NGOs attending WIPO's copyright and trademark meetings, from more countries. We need more exposure of what is going on publicly. 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How do the members of "we" constitute themselves as > agents capable of voicing grievances and making demands in the first > place? Who counts? Who gets counted? When "we" are constituted, it's called democracy - if it includes everyone. If less than all people are constituted as "we the people" it is an aristocracy or oligarchy. If certain key leaders of "stakeholder" groups get together and decide policy it's a form of aristocracy called "multi-stakeholderism." And so on. We all know global democracy including everyone has not been constituted. In the meantime, all of the arguments made against democracy are received with great skepticism on my part -- at least if the person making the argument is in any way, shape or form participating in a policy elite -- either some form of aristocracy or multi-stakeholderism. It's only human nature to come up with all kinds of reasons not to want to share power more broadly -- it dilutes one's own influence, and we all naturally desire to maximize our own personal influence. Paul Lehto, J.D. -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. Box 1 Ishpeming, MI 49849 lehto.paul at gmail.com 906-204-4026 (cell) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From devonrb at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 16:44:58 2011 From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 20:44:58 +0000 Subject: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose laws apply,and whose do not In-Reply-To: References: <4E5B2BF4.9090902@digsys.bg> <20110829112629.A8C2A15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch><4E5BA94D.1080703@digsys.bg><20110829173418.D3B0D15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch><4E5D3B2E.4050901@digsys.bg> <4E5E4663.6080605@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <663351832-1314909901-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050935143-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> There are some serious issues coming out here which I will enumerate: Should the internet be governed? To what extent and how? How is the internet defined? Is it the combination of infrastructure and system software? Is it the virtual space or is it the people who access it? Do we need governance structures for the infrastructure and the virtual space? Is there need for a different governance mechanism to regulate the actions of those who access the net and those other actions influenced by each action. To what extent do present legal frameworks,regulations, international laws and treaties are apllicable to the present and future of the Internet? Do we need to start from scratch or is there a solid foundation to build on? Which would be more effective; applying local laws at the point of incidence or the point of effect or should there be international legal mechanisms for cross border breaches of internet protocol? I guess there are lots more questions. As a layman I believe the anwers exist but only if we are willing to. Understand that these answers may come from a combination of the components of these and other questions. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Roland Perry Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:24:06 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Roland Perry Subject: Re: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose laws apply, and whose do not In message <4E5E4663.6080605 at digsys.bg>, at 17:34:11 on Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Daniel Kalchev writes >> In the opinion of many Americans "guns don't kill people, people kill >>people", but governments (even the USA government) seek to regulate >>guns. > >You mean, like they are regulating cars? On the principle that "no car >should be produced to run faster than the police cars"? Cars are regulated (for example with regard to the quality of their brakes, lighting, air pollution, noise, crash-worthiness...), but I've not come across a regulation on top speed. Most police cars where I live are quite low-cost family saloons, they are used to transport policemen to where they need to be, rather than chasing bank robbers. >In the end however, you are prosecuted not because your car ran faster >than the Police's, but because you were trying to run away from the >Police. You'd probably be prosecuted for careless driving, or exceeding the speed limit, or running a red traffic light. >This way of thinking explains the attempts to cripple the Internet, in >order to gain easier control. The Internet is crippled more by efforts to combat spammers, than anything else. For example by blocking port 25. It all depends what you mean by "control". But having switched to port 587 to appease the ISP I'm using at the moment, I'm free to send any words I like to this mailing list. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng Fri Sep 2 01:31:41 2011 From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 06:31:41 +0100 Subject: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose laws apply,and whose do not In-Reply-To: <663351832-1314909901-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050935143-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> References: <4E5B2BF4.9090902@digsys.bg> <20110829112629.A8C2A15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch> <4E5BA94D.1080703@digsys.bg> <20110829173418.D3B0D15C0DE@quill.bollow.ch> <4E5D3B2E.4050901@digsys.bg> <4E5E4663.6080605@digsys.bg> <663351832-1314909901-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050935143-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Dear All, Greetings from the beautiful city of Calabar, Nigeria. I feel we should be WILLING to address and answer the questions of Internet Governance in Totality. Great fellows this is the time to solidified our Visions for the Internet Governance. Remain in the BLESSING's of MOTHER NATURE. Sea On 1 Sep 2011 21:45, wrote: There are some serious issues coming out here which I will enumerate: Should the internet be governed? To what extent and how? How is the internet defined? Is it the combination of infrastructure and system software? Is it the virtual space or is it the people who access it? Do we need governance structures for the infrastructure and the virtual space? Is there need for a different governance mechanism to regulate the actions of those who access the net and those other actions influenced by each action. To what extent do present legal frameworks,regulations, international laws and treaties are apllicable to the present and future of the Internet? Do we need to start from scratch or is there a solid foundation to build on? Which would be more effective; applying local laws at the point of incidence or the point of effect or should there be international legal mechanisms for cross border breaches of internet protocol? I guess there are lots more questions. As a layman I believe the anwers exist but only if we are willing to. Understand that these answers may come from a combination of the components of these and other questions. Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Roland Perry Sender: governance at ... Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Roland Perry < roland at internetpolicyagency.com> Subject: Re: [governance] regulating the digital space - whose laws apply, and whose do not In message <4E5E4663.6080605 at digsys.bg>, at 17:34:11 on Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Daniel Kalchev -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 16:29:30 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:59:30 -0430 Subject: [governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy In-Reply-To: <4E5F711A.8040802@digsys.bg> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175493707A@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E5F711A.8040802@digsys.bg> Message-ID: This is an interesting discussion, touching upon the limitations of knowledge and discussion themselves -- the rationality of science (or art) and measurement, (do we measure what we find, or find what we measure?) what is hard-wired, and where do emotions, biases and evolution meet rational thought, philosophy and politics? Quite a range... So I found this Blog post from Jovan Kurbalija this week, "What do black swans, CERN, Voltaire, Rousseau and Borges have in common?" (he calls it "a Geneva epistemological journey") to be an appropriate aside... I think you will enjoy it. http://deepdip.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/what-do-black-swans-cern-voltaire-rousseau-and-borges-have-in-common/ Ginger On 1 September 2011 07:18, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > On 31.08.11 23:07, Milton L Mueller wrote: > >> If you can think of some simple way around this problem, more power to >> you. You'll get the Nobel prize. But please don't trivialize the difficulty >> of this problem, or attribute it to a conspiracy of evil neoliberals. (In >> fact, Chinese and Soviet Marxists are famous for putting the most emphasis >> on the production of physical goods and touting such statistics as proof of >> the superiority of socialism). >> > > This one reserved response, although some of the other points you debated > are important. Take it however you like, that will not change history. > > But... believe it or not "they produce more so they claim to be superior" > is what that (most call it "comunist" although it never ever claimed to have > reached the 'communism' level) -- is exactly what was attributed to the > "other side", that is "The Imperialism". > > So you see, both parties in that cold war pointed fingers at each other and > claimed that the other side is practicing what the other side was accusing > them of. Funny world. > > In reality however (having lived in the last decades of that system and the > 'new' system thereafter), I can definitely claim that you are wrong. That > system, possibly not a motivation but as a side effect (we will never know) > has assigned lower priority to greed and production/consumption - it had > significantly more focus on non-monetary benefits. Such as education and > social benefits. Also, production was much, much lower. > I do remember well our grandparent's opinion on this --- they have lived > before/during WW2 and could compare the quality of life before/during/after > that system --- and their opinion was very strong on this. So strong, that > for decades now we have the situation that the primary voters for the former > Communist (now, Socialist) Party were the so called "red grandmothers" -- > who still lived in the past and their good memories were abused. > > That system was far from perfect, of course. But your assertion about focus > on production is plain wrong. This all however is quite off-topic. > > Except, by the way, we started our work on Internet in Bulgaria during that > system. Without the government even knowing it. Or the next few governments. > > Daniel > > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 19:32:49 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 16:32:49 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4F97ED22D741497FAFE09AF4A46ED6A7@userPC> Thanks for pointing to Jovan's "journey"... And yes, there are similar signposts along his road and mine (FWIW I've put my note into a blogpost at http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/measuring-the-internet-economy-from -a-civil-society-perspective/ where comments/reflections/critiques are welcome. Best for the weekend to one and all, M -----Original Message----- From: Ginger Paque [mailto:gpaque at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:29 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: michael gurstein; Milton L Mueller Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy This is an interesting discussion, touching upon the limitations of knowledge and discussion themselves -- the rationality of science (or art) and measurement, (do we measure what we find, or find what we measure?) what is hard-wired, and where do emotions, biases and evolution meet rational thought, philosophy and politics? Quite a range... So I found this Blog post from Jovan Kurbalija this week, "What do black swans, CERN, Voltaire, Rousseau and Borges have in common?" (he calls it "a Geneva epistemological journey") to be an appropriate aside... I think you will enjoy it. http://deepdip.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/what-do-black-swans-cern-voltaire-ro usseau-and-borges-have-in-common/ Ginger On 1 September 2011 07:18, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 31.08.11 23:07, Milton L Mueller wrote: If you can think of some simple way around this problem, more power to you. You'll get the Nobel prize. But please don't trivialize the difficulty of this problem, or attribute it to a conspiracy of evil neoliberals. (In fact, Chinese and Soviet Marxists are famous for putting the most emphasis on the production of physical goods and touting such statistics as proof of the superiority of socialism). This one reserved response, although some of the other points you debated are important. Take it however you like, that will not change history. But... believe it or not "they produce more so they claim to be superior" is what that (most call it "comunist" although it never ever claimed to have reached the 'communism' level) -- is exactly what was attributed to the "other side", that is "The Imperialism". So you see, both parties in that cold war pointed fingers at each other and claimed that the other side is practicing what the other side was accusing them of. Funny world. In reality however (having lived in the last decades of that system and the 'new' system thereafter), I can definitely claim that you are wrong. That system, possibly not a motivation but as a side effect (we will never know) has assigned lower priority to greed and production/consumption - it had significantly more focus on non-monetary benefits. Such as education and social benefits. Also, production was much, much lower. I do remember well our grandparent's opinion on this --- they have lived before/during WW2 and could compare the quality of life before/during/after that system --- and their opinion was very strong on this. So strong, that for decades now we have the situation that the primary voters for the former Communist (now, Socialist) Party were the so called "red grandmothers" -- who still lived in the past and their good memories were abused. That system was far from perfect, of course. But your assertion about focus on production is plain wrong. This all however is quite off-topic. Except, by the way, we started our work on Internet in Bulgaria during that system. Without the government even knowing it. Or the next few governments. Daniel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/ unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/ info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/ translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cls at rkey.com Sat Sep 3 21:06:50 2011 From: cls at rkey.com (Craig Simon) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 21:06:50 -0400 Subject: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES apply, and whose do not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E62CF2A.1040500@rkey.com> I believe that Aadhaar is a highly significant development in this context... the question of a person's digitally-mediated social agency via electronic devices and globally accessible, biometrically linked identifiers. I'm not aware if Aadhaar has ever been discussed on this list (it's not global, but exclusive to India), but it's pertinent to understanding upcoming technology-driven shifts in mechanisms of governance and social service. Some links... http://uidai.gov.in/ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/asia/02india.html On 9/1/11 11:42 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Good questions Craig... My use of "we" in the note was firstly refering to > the folks on this elist and secondarily I guess, although that wasn't part > of my thinking, CS as a whole. How the second "we" at least "constitute > themselves as agents" is part, I guess of the thinking that needs to be done > and is most certainly not a trivial question. > > Best, > > M > > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf > Of Craig Simon > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: Re: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES > apply, and whose do not > > > Michael, > > The question ultimately hinges on who makes up the "we" in your > sentence, "my position was that we need to be thinking of global > governance institutions and thus global measurements/measurement > strategies..." How do the members of "we" constitute themselves as > agents capable of voicing grievances and making demands in the first > place? Who counts? Who gets counted? And so on. > > Of course, no practical mechanism exists to coalesce expressions of > their/our grievances and demands at a massively internetworked level > (despite my lonely efforts to build one). Consequently, there's lots of > open ground for individuals to show up in Internet governance fora like > these claiming they know what "Netizens" (or humans at an expressly > global level) want, or should want. That's politics, which is fine by > me. I don't think that we who participate on these discussion lists need > much reminding that "we" have yet to be heard. > > In any case, if the makeup of "we" ever is sorted out, building a > knowledgebase that draws sober and insightful attention to statistics of > economic well being will be an important test of institutional > legitimacy. So I applaud your efforts. > > Craig Simon > > On 8/31/11 3:56 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> Very interesting Craig... >> >> I understand you here as linking the question of Internet measurement >> into the broader question of Internet identity i.e. as reflecting a >> shift away from "national" statistics to "identity" based statistics >> but understood in a global rather than a national context (to tie this >> discussion back into the earlier one--where my position was that we >> need to be thinking of global governance institutions and thus global >> measurements/measurement strategies, rather than national ones (such >> as the SNA/GDP etc. >> >> I'm not exactly sure where this goes from practically but I think >> conceptually you are suggesting something quite valuable. >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Sun Sep 4 09:25:32 2011 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:25:32 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. Looking forward to seeing you guys there! izumi 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September.  We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >  Suggested items for the agenda are: > > IGC's workshops at this IGF > Next coordinator elections > Working groups of the IGC > Strategic direction for the IGC > Review of the IGC charter > Other Internet governance processes > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amedinagomez at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 09:53:58 2011 From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 08:53:58 -0500 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Best regards all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus. We will be working in colombia. Hub Remote Bucaramanga. University Autonoma of Bucarmanga. UNAB. Antonio Medina Gomez FGI Colombia 2011/8/31 Jeremy Malcolm > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. > Suggested items for the agenda are: > > > - IGC's workshops at this IGF > - Next coordinator elections > - Working groups of the IGC > - Strategic direction for the IGC > - Review of the IGC charter > - Other Internet governance processes > > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From glaser at cgi.br Sun Sep 4 10:23:21 2011 From: glaser at cgi.br (Hartmut Glaser) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:23:21 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will be there. Sent from my iPhone Hartmut Glaser On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > > Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if > you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. > > For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. > > Looking forward to seeing you guys there! > > izumi > > 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : >> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >> evening of 26 September. >> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in >> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >> Suggested items for the agenda are: >> >> IGC's workshops at this IGF >> Next coordinator elections >> Working groups of the IGC >> Strategic direction for the IGC >> Review of the IGC charter >> Other Internet governance processes >> >> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Sun Sep 4 12:11:29 2011 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:11:29 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> I will attend as well. jeanette On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: > I will be there. > > Sent from my iPhone > Hartmut Glaser > > On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if >> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >> >> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >> >> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >> >> izumi >> >> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >>> evening of 26 September. >>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in >>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>> >>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>> Next coordinator elections >>> Working groups of the IGC >>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>> Review of the IGC charter >>> Other Internet governance processes >>> >>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>> -- >>> >>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>> Project Coordinator >>> Consumers International >>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>> Malaysia >>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>> >>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>> www.consumersinternational.org >>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>> >>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>> necessary. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu<< >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History>> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 11:23:00 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 10:53:00 -0430 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> References: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> Message-ID: I expect to attend too. Ginger On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > I will attend as well. > jeanette > > > On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: > >> I will be there. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> Hartmut Glaser >> >> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate >>> if >>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>> >>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>> >>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>> >>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>> IGF >>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in >>>> the >>>> evening of 26 September. >>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand >>>> will >>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, >>>> in >>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>> >>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>> Next coordinator elections >>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>> >>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>> Project Coordinator >>>> Consumers International >>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>>> Malaysia >>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>> >>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent >>>> and >>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>> organisations >>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to >>>> help >>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>> >>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>> necessary. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>> >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> * * * * * >>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>> www.anr.org >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to see you all On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > > I expect to attend too. > Ginger > > > > On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > >> I will attend as well. >> jeanette >> >> >> On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: >> >>> I will be there. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Hartmut Glaser >>> >>> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate >>>> if >>>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>>> >>>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>>> >>>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>>> IGF >>>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus >>>>> in the >>>>> evening of 26 September. >>>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have >>>>> our >>>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand >>>>> will >>>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, >>>>> in >>>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is >>>>> ahead. >>>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>>> >>>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>>> Next coordinator elections >>>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>>> >>>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>>> Project Coordinator >>>>> Consumers International >>>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>>>> Malaysia >>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>>> >>>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent >>>>> and >>>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>>> organisations >>>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to >>>>> help >>>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>>> >>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>>> necessary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>>> >>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>> >>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>> Japan >>>> * * * * * >>>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>>> www.anr.org >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Sun Sep 4 13:35:44 2011 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 20:35:44 +0300 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110904173544.GA3898@musti> On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 10:25:32PM +0900, Izumi AIZU (aizu at anr.org) wrote: > Hi, > > Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if > you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. I'll be there. -- Tapani Tarvainen ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dcogburn at syr.edu Sun Sep 4 13:42:48 2011 From: dcogburn at syr.edu (Derrick L. Cogburn) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:42:48 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Same for me, I'll not be in Kenya, but am organizing the Washington, DC IGF Remote Hub at the American University School of International Service. Safe travels everyone. Cheers, Derrick Dr. Derrick L. Cogburn Associate Professor of International Relations International Communication Program School of International Service American University http://american.edu/ Executive Director Center for Research on Collaboratories and Technology Enhanced Learning Communities (COTELCO) American University/Syracuse University http://cotelco.net/ Executive Director Institute on Disability and Public Policy (IDPP) for the ASEAN Region http://aseanidpp.org/ On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Antonio Medina Gómez" > wrote: Best regards all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus. We will be working in colombia. Hub Remote Bucaramanga. University Autonoma of Bucarmanga. UNAB. Antonio Medina Gomez FGI Colombia 2011/8/31 Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the evening of 26 September. As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining afterwards will be able to get away on time. There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. Suggested items for the agenda are: * IGC's workshops at this IGF * Next coordinator elections * Working groups of the IGC * Strategic direction for the IGC * Review of the IGC charter * Other Internet governance processes If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sdkaaa at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 13:44:13 2011 From: sdkaaa at gmail.com (Bernard Sadaka) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:44:13 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <636810349-1315158255-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-158227098-@b18.c4.bise7.blackberry> I will be there if time permits :) Best, Bernard Sent via my BlackBerry® smartphone -----Original Message----- From: Marilia Maciel Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:00:42 To: ; Ginger Paque Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Marilia Maciel Cc: Izumi AIZU Subject: Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF I will be there. Looking forward to see you all On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > > I expect to attend too. > Ginger > > > > On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > >> I will attend as well. >> jeanette >> >> >> On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: >> >>> I will be there. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Hartmut Glaser >>> >>> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate >>>> if >>>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>>> >>>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>>> >>>> izumi >>>> >>>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>>> >>>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>>> IGF >>>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus >>>>> in the >>>>> evening of 26 September. >>>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have >>>>> our >>>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand >>>>> will >>>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, >>>>> in >>>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is >>>>> ahead. >>>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>>> >>>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>>> Next coordinator elections >>>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>>> >>>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>>> Project Coordinator >>>>> Consumers International >>>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>>>> Malaysia >>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>>> >>>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent >>>>> and >>>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>>> organisations >>>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to >>>>> help >>>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>>> >>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>>> necessary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>>> >>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>> >>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>> Japan >>>> * * * * * >>>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>>> www.anr.org >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carolina 2011/9/4 Bernard Sadaka > **I will be there if time permits :) > Best, > Bernard > > Sent via my BlackBerry® smartphone > ------------------------------ > *From: *Marilia Maciel > *Sender: *governance at lists.cpsr.org > *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:00:42 -0300 > *To: *; Ginger Paque > *ReplyTo: *governance at lists.cpsr.org,Marilia Maciel < > mariliamaciel at gmail.com> > *Cc: *Izumi AIZU > *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF > > I will be there. Looking forward to see you all > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> >> I expect to attend too. >> Ginger >> >> >> >> On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> >>> I will attend as well. >>> jeanette >>> >>> >>> On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: >>> >>>> I will be there. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> Hartmut Glaser >>>> >>>> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate >>>>> if >>>>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>>>> >>>>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>>>> >>>>> izumi >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>>>> >>>>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>>>> IGF >>>>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus >>>>>> in the >>>>>> evening of 26 September. >>>>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have >>>>>> our >>>>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I >>>>>> understand will >>>>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too >>>>>> long, in >>>>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is >>>>>> ahead. >>>>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>>>> >>>>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>>>> Next coordinator elections >>>>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>>>> Project Coordinator >>>>>> Consumers International >>>>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>>>>> Malaysia >>>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>>>> >>>>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer >>>>>> groups >>>>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only >>>>>> independent and >>>>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>>>> organisations >>>>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to >>>>>> help >>>>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>>>> >>>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>>>> necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>>>> >>>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>>> >>>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>>> Japan >>>>> * * * * * >>>>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>>>> www.anr.org >>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From devonrb at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 14:43:27 2011 From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:43:27 +0000 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks release and its implications for cybersecurity. In-Reply-To: <4E62CF2A.1040500@rkey.com> References: <4E62CF2A.1040500@rkey.com> Message-ID: <957340686-1315161806-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142257987-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> Wikileaks has released over 251,000 US State Department Cables online from all over the world and containing what can be described as sensitive information for nations, communities, families and individuals. There are various issues of cbersecurity and Human rights involved here: Are the persons named in the cables victims of a cyber attack? Is anyone endangered by the public's knowledge of these cables. Where does the public's right to know ends and the individuals right to security begins? Anyone want to comment? Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Craig Simon Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 21:06:50 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Craig Simon Subject: Re: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES apply, and whose do not I believe that Aadhaar is a highly significant development in this context... the question of a person's digitally-mediated social agency via electronic devices and globally accessible, biometrically linked identifiers. I'm not aware if Aadhaar has ever been discussed on this list (it's not global, but exclusive to India), but it's pertinent to understanding upcoming technology-driven shifts in mechanisms of governance and social service. Some links... http://uidai.gov.in/ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/asia/02india.html On 9/1/11 11:42 AM, michael gurstein wrote: > > Good questions Craig... My use of "we" in the note was firstly refering to > the folks on this elist and secondarily I guess, although that wasn't part > of my thinking, CS as a whole. How the second "we" at least "constitute > themselves as agents" is part, I guess of the thinking that needs to be done > and is most certainly not a trivial question. > > Best, > > M > > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf > Of Craig Simon > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:56 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: Re: [governance] MEASURING the digital space - whose MEASURES > apply, and whose do not > > > Michael, > > The question ultimately hinges on who makes up the "we" in your > sentence, "my position was that we need to be thinking of global > governance institutions and thus global measurements/measurement > strategies..." How do the members of "we" constitute themselves as > agents capable of voicing grievances and making demands in the first > place? Who counts? Who gets counted? And so on. > > Of course, no practical mechanism exists to coalesce expressions of > their/our grievances and demands at a massively internetworked level > (despite my lonely efforts to build one). Consequently, there's lots of > open ground for individuals to show up in Internet governance fora like > these claiming they know what "Netizens" (or humans at an expressly > global level) want, or should want. That's politics, which is fine by > me. I don't think that we who participate on these discussion lists need > much reminding that "we" have yet to be heard. > > In any case, if the makeup of "we" ever is sorted out, building a > knowledgebase that draws sober and insightful attention to statistics of > economic well being will be an important test of institutional > legitimacy. So I applaud your efforts. > > Craig Simon > > On 8/31/11 3:56 PM, michael gurstein wrote: >> Very interesting Craig... >> >> I understand you here as linking the question of Internet measurement >> into the broader question of Internet identity i.e. as reflecting a >> shift away from "national" statistics to "identity" based statistics >> but understood in a global rather than a national context (to tie this >> discussion back into the earlier one--where my position was that we >> need to be thinking of global governance institutions and thus global >> measurements/measurement strategies, rather than national ones (such >> as the SNA/GDP etc. >> >> I'm not exactly sure where this goes from practically but I think >> conceptually you are suggesting something quite valuable. >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Sun Sep 4 15:05:41 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [governance] inter-regional dialogue Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549370D2@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> There is a main session on Wednesday afternoon called "Inter-regional Dialogue." Can someone tell me what that is, what will go on there, how one might participate in it? Milton L. Mueller Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 15:37:30 2011 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:37:30 -0400 Subject: [governance] Wikileaks release and its implications for cybersecurity. In-Reply-To: <957340686-1315161806-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142257987-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> References: <4E62CF2A.1040500@rkey.com> <957340686-1315161806-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142257987-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On 9/4/11, devonrb at gmail.com wrote: > Wikileaks has released over 251,000 US State Department Cables [...] [...] > Is anyone endangered by the public's knowledge of these cables. > Where does the public's right to know ends and the individuals right to > security begins? Wherever the public's right to know ends", is the same place where unlimited, unaccountable power begins. Where would everyone here like unlimited unacountable power to exist? If anyone would, how do you know that whatever purpose or justification you might support it for by allowing this purpose to enjoy unaccountable power is a purpose that it will remain loyal to? Do we indulge in fantasies that secretive governmental wings are self-policing, self-limiting and will blow the whistle on themselves when they enjoy unaccountable power? Or that some secret court will render secret but real justice? This original post is either based is based on, or encourages, a false assumption: Wikileaks has meticulously avoided publishing names ever since some Afghan related documents many months ago. See http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/02/wikileaks/index.html In fact, it was a writer for the Guardian in conjunction with some other non wikileaks' actions that resulted in disclosure of names of individuals. Id. (see salon link) There is no doubt whatsoever that many of the governmental actions disclosed in the cables not only "endangered" individuals but severely *damaged* or killed them - and these governmental actions have been kept secret to date. To the extent the discussion of the acts or crimes disclosed by the cables is instead replaced by this kind of discussion about the potential "security implications" of "sensitive" information being brought to light, these crimes remain unaccountable. And why would anyone want the following things to remain unaccountable? Example One: First reported by John Glaser of Antiwar.com -- this example details a "heinous war crime [by U.S forces] during a house raid in Iraq in 2006, wherein one man, four women, two children, and three infants were summarily executed" and their house thereafter blown up by a U.S. airstrike in order to destroy the evidence. Back in 2006, the incident was discussed in American papers as a mere unproven "allegation" ("Regardless of which account is correct . . "), and the U.S. military (as usual) cleared itself of any and all wrongdoing. Defenders, anyone? Example Two: Wikileaks cable: UN peacekeepers in Ivory Coast traded food for sex with underage girls. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/wikileaks-cable-un-peacekeepers-in-ivory-coast-traded-food-for-sex-with-underage-girls/2011/09/01/gIQA885PuJ_story.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost Examples Three through Thirty-three: Here is a list of 30 significant cables compiled by wikileaks itself on August 29. http://wikileaks.org/30-new-revelations-from-wlfind.html -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. Box 1 Ishpeming, MI 49849 lehto.paul at gmail.com 906-204-4026 (cell) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 15:47:29 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:47:29 +1200 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> <636810349-1315158255-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-158227098-@b18.c4.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Dear All, I will be in Nairobi for the IGF and look forward to seeing you guys. Best, Sala On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Carolina Aguerre wrote: > I'll be there. See you on 26. > Carolina > > 2011/9/4 Bernard Sadaka > >> **I will be there if time permits :) >> Best, >> Bernard >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry® smartphone >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Marilia Maciel >> *Sender: *governance at lists.cpsr.org >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:00:42 -0300 >> *To: *; Ginger Paque >> *ReplyTo: *governance at lists.cpsr.org,Marilia Maciel < >> mariliamaciel at gmail.com> >> *Cc: *Izumi AIZU >> *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF >> >> I will be there. Looking forward to see you all >> >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> >>> I expect to attend too. >>> Ginger >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> >>>> I will attend as well. >>>> jeanette >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will be there. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> Hartmut Glaser >>>>> >>>>> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to >>>>>> indicate if >>>>>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>>>>> >>>>>> izumi >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>>>>> IGF >>>>>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> evening of 26 September. >>>>>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I >>>>>>> understand will >>>>>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too >>>>>>> long, in >>>>>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>>>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>>>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>>>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is >>>>>>> ahead. >>>>>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>>>>> Next coordinator elections >>>>>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>>>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>>>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>>>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>>>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>>>>> Project Coordinator >>>>>>> Consumers International >>>>>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala >>>>>>> Lumpur, >>>>>>> Malaysia >>>>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer >>>>>>> groups >>>>>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only >>>>>>> independent and >>>>>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>>>>> organisations >>>>>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement >>>>>>> to help >>>>>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>>>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>>>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>>>>> >>>>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>>>> >>>>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>>>> Japan >>>>>> * * * * * >>>>>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>>>>> www.anr.org >>>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>>> >>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >> FGV Direito Rio >> >> Center for Technology and Society >> Getulio Vargas Foundation >> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at Sun Sep 4 16:13:48 2011 From: matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at (Matthias C. Kettemann) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:13:48 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E63DBFC.8040707@uni-graz.at> I'll be there as well. Kind regards Matthias -- Matthias C. Kettemann, Mag. iur. , LL.M. (Harvard) Teaching and Research Fellow Institute of International Law and International Relations University of Graz Universitätsstraße 15/A4, 8010 Graz, Austria T | +43 316 380 6711 (office) M | +43 676 701 7175 (mobile) F | +43 316 380 9455 E | matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at > > 2011/8/31 Jeremy Malcolm > > > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the > Nairobi IGF meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet > Governance Caucus in the evening of 26 September. > > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can > have our meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up > which I understand will be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We > will try not to take too long, in order that those from the > GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining afterwards will be able > to get away on time. > > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is > ahead. Suggested items for the agenda are: > > * IGC's workshops at this IGF > * Next coordinator elections > * Working groups of the IGC > * Strategic direction for the IGC > * Review of the IGC charter > * Other Internet governance processes > > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala > Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer > groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only > independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With > over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a > powerful international movement to help protect and empower > consumers everywhere. > _www.consumersinternational.org > _ > _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ > > Read our email confidentiality notice > . > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andrespiazza at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 17:05:49 2011 From: andrespiazza at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9s_Piazza?=) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:05:49 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4E63A331.9080406@wzb.eu> <636810349-1315158255-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-158227098-@b18.c4.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: I will be there. Andrés Piazza 2011/9/4, Carolina Aguerre : > I'll be there. See you on 26. > Carolina > > 2011/9/4 Bernard Sadaka > >> **I will be there if time permits :) >> Best, >> Bernard >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry® smartphone >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *Marilia Maciel >> *Sender: *governance at lists.cpsr.org >> *Date: *Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:00:42 -0300 >> *To: *; Ginger Paque >> *ReplyTo: *governance at lists.cpsr.org,Marilia Maciel < >> mariliamaciel at gmail.com> >> *Cc: *Izumi AIZU >> *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF >> >> I will be there. Looking forward to see you all >> >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> >>> I expect to attend too. >>> Ginger >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4 September 2011 11:41, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> >>>> I will attend as well. >>>> jeanette >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04.09.2011 15:23, Hartmut Glaser wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will be there. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> Hartmut Glaser >>>>> >>>>> On 04/09/2011, at 10:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to >>>>>> indicate >>>>>> if >>>>>> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >>>>>> >>>>>> izumi >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi >>>>>>> IGF >>>>>>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> evening of 26 September. >>>>>>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I >>>>>>> understand will >>>>>>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too >>>>>>> long, in >>>>>>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>>>>>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>>>>>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>>>>>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is >>>>>>> ahead. >>>>>>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>>>>>> Next coordinator elections >>>>>>> Working groups of the IGC >>>>>>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>>>>>> Review of the IGC charter >>>>>>> Other Internet governance processes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>>>>>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>>>>>> Project Coordinator >>>>>>> Consumers International >>>>>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>>>>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala >>>>>>> Lumpur, >>>>>>> Malaysia >>>>>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer >>>>>>> groups >>>>>>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only >>>>>>> independent and >>>>>>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member >>>>>>> organisations >>>>>>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> help >>>>>>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>>>>>> www.consumersinternational.org >>>>>>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >> Izumi Aizu<< >>>>>> >>>>>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>>>>> >>>>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>>>>> Japan >>>>>> * * * * * >>>>>> << Writing the Future of the History>> >>>>>> www.anr.org >>>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>>> >>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Translate this email: >>>>>> http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: >>>>> http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: >>>> http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >> FGV Direito Rio >> >> Center for Technology and Society >> Getulio Vargas Foundation >> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Enviado desde mi dispositivo móvil *Andrés Piazza* www.andrespiazza.com ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pwilson at apnic.net Sun Sep 4 18:01:15 2011 From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:01:15 +1000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83D1CE82-6B2A-416A-A3A4-2F99340D3F1A@apnic.net> I will be in Nairobi and hope to attend the IGC meeting. Paul. On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > > Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if > you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. > > For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. > > Looking forward to seeing you guys there! > > izumi > > 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : >> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >> evening of 26 September. >> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in >> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >> Suggested items for the agenda are: >> >> IGC's workshops at this IGF >> Next coordinator elections >> Working groups of the IGC >> Strategic direction for the IGC >> Review of the IGC charter >> Other Internet governance processes >> >> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. 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Rgds, McTim On Sep 5, 2011 1:02 AM, "Paul Wilson" wrote: > I will be in Nairobi and hope to attend the IGC meeting. > > Paul. > > > On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if >> you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. >> >> For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. >> >> Looking forward to seeing you guys there! >> >> izumi >> >> 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : >>> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >>> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >>> evening of 26 September. >>> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >>> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >>> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in >>> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >>> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >>> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >>> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >>> Suggested items for the agenda are: >>> >>> IGC's workshops at this IGF >>> Next coordinator elections >>> Working groups of the IGC >>> Strategic direction for the IGC >>> Review of the IGC charter >>> Other Internet governance processes >>> >>> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >>> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >>> -- >>> >>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>> Project Coordinator >>> Consumers International >>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>> Malaysia >>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>> >>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>> www.consumersinternational.org >>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>> >>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>> necessary. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> * * * * * >> << Writing the Future of the History >> >> www.anr.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alas my flight's arrival time on Monday evening will not allow me to join the IGC meeting. I'm looking forward to meeting you at the IGF though... Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gorka.orueta at ehu.es Mon Sep 5 02:59:40 2011 From: gorka.orueta at ehu.es (Gorka Orueta) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:59:40 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Message-ID: I will attend too, see you all there Gorka Orueta Estibariz Irakasleen eta Erakundeekiko Harremanen Dekanordea / Vicedecano de Profesorado y Relaciones Institucionalesgorka.orueta at ehu.es 946018378688673789 GIZARTE ETA KOMUNIKAZIO ZIENTZIEN FAKULTATEA /FACULTAD DE CIENCIAS SOCIALES Y DE LA COMUNICACION UPV/EHU Barrio Sarriena,s/n | 48940 LEIOA T.: +34 946018378 | F.: +34 946013299 www.ehu.es/csc ERNE! 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Regards, Qusai Al-Shatti Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2011, at 16:25, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > > Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if > you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. > > For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. > > Looking forward to seeing you guys there! > > izumi > > 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : >> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >> evening of 26 September. >> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in >> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >> Suggested items for the agenda are: >> >> IGC's workshops at this IGF >> Next coordinator elections >> Working groups of the IGC >> Strategic direction for the IGC >> Review of the IGC charter >> Other Internet governance processes >> >> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > << Writing the Future of the History >> > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From philippe_dam at yahoo.fr Mon Sep 5 15:13:35 2011 From: philippe_dam at yahoo.fr (Dam Philippe) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:13:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [governance] FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND NEW MEDIA - Human Rights Committee In-Reply-To: <007f01cc528b$99b15810$cd140830$@planet.tn> References: <4E37E76E.9090804@ciroap.org> <1312398790.51994.YahooMailNeo@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E3A0B08.7030907@ciroap.org> <007f01cc528b$99b15810$cd140830$@planet.tn> Message-ID: <1315250015.30442.YahooMailNeo@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/FreedomExpressionandnewmedia.aspx  Freedom of expression and new media When the UN Human Rights Committee last clarified the rights to freedom of opinion and expression, use of the internet was limited and the effect it would have on the mainstream media was still the subject of speculation.   More than two decades on, the Committee seeks to give practical application to freedom of opinion and expression in the radically altered media landscape which has the internet and mobile communications centre-stage. Describing “a global network to exchange ideas and opinions that does not necessarily rely on the traditional mass media”, the Committee says “States parties should take all necessary steps to foster the independence of these new media and to ensure access”. Any restrictions that might be applied to websites, blogs or any other internet-based networks or support systems should be limited, the Committee says, to content only and should not be applied to entire sites and systems. In the context of permissible restrictions generally, the Committee recommends extreme caution and provides many examples of situations where the urge to restrict freedom of expression should be resisted.  There are no circumstances which justify limiting freedom of opinion, the Committee notes in its revised General Comment. Lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, lawyers, human rights defenders, journalists and others will turn to the General Comment for guidance on the scope and practical applications of the rights to freedom of opinion and expression.    In the  International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which sets out the right to freedom of expression, only two situations are described which justify its limitation: respect of the rights or reputations of others and protection of national security or of public order, or of public health or morals. The Covenant also prohibits advocacy of religious hatred. Allowing for those very limited exceptions, the Committee says blasphemy laws and prohibitions on displays of disrespect for a religion or other belief systems are a contravention of the right to freedom of expression, as are laws which favour one religion over another, or religious believers over non-believers, or which prevent or punish criticism of religious leaders or commentary on religious doctrine. The Committee notes that the Convention places a particularly high value on uninhibited debate concerning political figures and public institutions.  Laws which prohibit or restrict criticism of important people and institutions are cause for concern the Committee says.  “The mere fact that forms of expression are considered to be insulting to a public figure is not sufficient to justify the imposition of penalties… all public figures, including those exercising the highest political authority such as heads of state and government, are legitimately subject to criticism and political opposition”.  The same should apply to institutions such as the army. Committee member, Michael O’Flaherty says, “The main point of the general comment and of the Committee adopting it is that freedom of expression is at the heart of the entire human rights system.”  “That means,” he says, “we have to put up with a lot of speech that we don’t like. 1 September 2011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than mailing list and official website, we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear those who could unfortunately come there in advance. best, izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 23:19:43 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:49:43 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Izumi, +1 Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open > or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > > I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share > ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. > > We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear > those who could unfortunately come there in advance. > > best, > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 23:23:16 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:23:16 +1200 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Izumi, I am on facebook and so are many on the list, perhaps if you sent us the facebook handle, we can then add the page as friend. Sala On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Hello Izumi, > > > +1 > > > Sivasubramanian M > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share >> ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. >> >> We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear >> those who could unfortunately come there in advance. >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue Sep 6 03:19:28 2011 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: (message from Izumi AIZU on Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:02:33 +0900) References: Message-ID: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> Izumi AIZU wrote: > It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open > or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > > I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > (or any other social tool). I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for this purpose, perhaps a wiki? I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track record and attitude regarding privacy matters. Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 03:37:14 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:37:14 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I personally think it's a good idea and it is desirable that we exchanged by Facebook. Other social networks are acceptable, but Facebook is more appropriate depending of my own experience. Skype is also very suitable for exchanges between groups. I arrive in Nairobi on 26 to 16.20 and I will be at Jacaranda Hotel. Baudouin 2011/9/6 Izumi AIZU > It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open > or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > > I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share > ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. > > We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear > those who could unfortunately come there in advance. > > best, > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> On 06/09/11 15:19, Norbert Bollow wrote: > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. There is already a wiki, at http://wiki.igf-online.net; feel free to use it. Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our operations, due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. However, I suppose there is no harm to have it for those who are already Facebook users. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source > software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. > > I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our operations, > due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. However, I suppose > there is no harm to have it for those who are already Facebook users. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent > and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member > organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international > movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > _www.consumersinternational.org _ > _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ > > Read our email confidentiality notice > . Don't > print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Sep 6 08:56:50 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. frt rgds --c.a. On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Izumi AIZU wrote: >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> (or any other social tool). > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Sep 6 08:57:46 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca> Why not create our own social net, using, e.g, Open Atrium? --c.a. On 09/06/2011 04:42 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 06/09/11 15:19, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > There is already a wiki, at http://wiki.igf-online.net; feel free to use > it. Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source > software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. > > I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our operations, > due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. However, I suppose > there is no harm to have it for those who are already Facebook users. > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:04:39 2011 From: cveraq at gmail.com (cveraq at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch><4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: "Carlos A. Afonso" Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 To: ; Norbert Bollow Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. frt rgds --c.a. On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Izumi AIZU wrote: >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> (or any other social tool). > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:07:00 2011 From: cveraq at gmail.com (cveraq at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:07:00 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch><4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca><692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Sorry I mean greatest Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: cveraq at gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39 To: ; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow Reply-To: cveraq at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools Carlos Vera Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: "Carlos A. Afonso" Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 To: ; Norbert Bollow Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. frt rgds --c.a. On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Izumi AIZU wrote: >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> (or any other social tool). > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Tue Sep 6 09:12:04 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 22:12:04 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Dear all, Thank you for the comments and suggestions. All seem valid and important. I did not intend to make Facebook page or group too integral with our operations, and I don't exclude using our wiki. Yet, since there are great many people who are using the Facebook already if not IGC members but they may share our concerns and interests in a larger sense, it might be useful to try this out. That is to start the Open page. On top of that, or instead of that, say for a while, we can use more private Group function, depending on the settings we can make it secret, closed but could be seen by anyone, or just open. I like to first try this "closed group" and see how it works (or not). izumi 2011/9/6 : > Sorry I mean greatest > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: cveraq at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39 > To: ; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: cveraq at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think?  I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From froomkin at law.miami.edu Tue Sep 6 09:30:05 2011 From: froomkin at law.miami.edu (Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of us don't use Facebook, so while duplicating content there may be a convenience, making it a unique source of anything will have the effect of cutting us out of the conversation. I don't use Facebook for two reasons: its architecture, and the fact that I teach and neither wish to 'friend' nor offend my students. You should also be aware that some US educational institutions (wrongly in my opinion, but no one asked me) actually *forbid* instructors to be on Facebook on pain of dismissal. On Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Izumi AIZU wrote: > It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open > or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > > I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share > ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. > > We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear > those who could unfortunately come there in advance. > > best, > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- A. Michael Froomkin, http://www.law.tm Blog: http://www.discourse.net Laurie Silvers & Mitchell Rubenstein Distinguished Professor of Law Editor, Jotwell: The Journal of Things We Like (Lots), jotwell.com U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA +1 (305) 284-4285 | +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) | froomkin at law.tm -->It's hot here.<-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:29:03 2011 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:29:03 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: ok +1 go SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr Site Web : www.ticafrica.net 2011/9/6 Izumi AIZU > Dear all, > > Thank you for the comments and suggestions. All seem valid and important. > > I did not intend to make Facebook page or group too integral with our > operations, > and I don't exclude using our wiki. > > Yet, since there are great many people who are using the Facebook already > if not IGC members but they may share our concerns and interests in a > larger sense, it might be useful to try this out. That is to start the > Open page. > On top of that, or instead of that, say for a while, we can use more > private > Group function, depending on the settings we can make it secret, closed but > could be seen by anyone, or just open. > > I like to first try this "closed group" and see how it works (or not). > > izumi > > > > 2011/9/6 : > > Sorry I mean greatest > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cveraq at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39 > > To: ; Carlos A. Afonso; > Norbert Bollow > > Reply-To: cveraq at gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your > choice to be or not to be there. > > > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me. > > > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > > > Carlos Vera > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > > To: ; Norbert Bollow > > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > > > frt rgds > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> Izumi AIZU wrote: > >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or > open > >>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >>> > >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >>> (or any other social tool). > >> > >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > >> > >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Norbert > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From f.cortiana at provincia.milano.it Tue Sep 6 09:45:53 2011 From: f.cortiana at provincia.milano.it (Fiorello Cortiana) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:45:53 +0200 Subject: R: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> <4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <95227A668FFBB141A238AE53582A8E11011E6F30@VEXNODE2.man.provincia.mi.it> Good idea Fiorello -----Messaggio originale----- Da: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Per conto di Carlos A. Afonso Inviato: martedì 6 settembre 2011 14.58 A: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm Cc: Norbert Bollow Oggetto: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Why not create our own social net, using, e.g, Open Atrium? --c.a. On 09/06/2011 04:42 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 06/09/11 15:19, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > There is already a wiki, at http://wiki.igf-online.net; feel free to > use it. Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source > software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. > > I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our > operations, due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. > However, I suppose there is no harm to have it for those who are already Facebook users. > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amedinagomez at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:49:58 2011 From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:49:58 -0500 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <95227A668FFBB141A238AE53582A8E11011E6F30@VEXNODE2.man.provincia.mi.it> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> <4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca> <95227A668FFBB141A238AE53582A8E11011E6F30@VEXNODE2.man.provincia.mi.it> Message-ID: Good morning. Specifically what is the option to take? Antonio medina 2011/9/6 Fiorello Cortiana > Good idea > > Fiorello > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Per conto > di Carlos A. Afonso > Inviato: martedì 6 settembre 2011 14.58 > A: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm > Cc: Norbert Bollow > Oggetto: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Why not create our own social net, using, e.g, Open Atrium? > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:42 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 06/09/11 15:19, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > >> > >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > There is already a wiki, at http://wiki.igf-online.net; feel free to > > use it. Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source > > software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. > > > > I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our > > operations, due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. > > However, I suppose there is no harm to have it for those who are already > Facebook users. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 09:53:20 2011 From: cveraq at gmail.com (cveraq at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:53:20 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch><4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org><4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca><95227A668FFBB141A238AE53582A8E11011E6F30@VEXNODE2.man.provincia.mi.it> Message-ID: <2087752076-1315317201-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-939971191-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Here is a SOCIAL net created by a young ecuadorian programmer www.comunicate.hostoi.com CVQ Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Medina Gómez Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:49:58 To: ; Fiorello Cortiana Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Antonio Medina Gómez Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Good morning. Specifically what is the option to take? Antonio medina 2011/9/6 Fiorello Cortiana > Good idea > > Fiorello > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Per conto > di Carlos A. Afonso > Inviato: martedì 6 settembre 2011 14.58 > A: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm > Cc: Norbert Bollow > Oggetto: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Why not create our own social net, using, e.g, Open Atrium? > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:42 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 06/09/11 15:19, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > >> > >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > There is already a wiki, at http://wiki.igf-online.net; feel free to > > use it. Everything at http://igf-online.net runs on 100% open source > > software, with no reliance on proprietary software or online services. > > > > I agree that we should not make Facebook too integral to our > > operations, due to the privacy concerns that many have about it. > > However, I suppose there is no harm to have it for those who are already > Facebook users. > > >____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Tue Sep 6 09:56:44 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:56:44 -0400 Subject: [governance] The European Commission Papers on ICANN Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754970023@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> The IGP blog is doing a series on the EC Papers on ICANN. Should be food for thought for people on this list advocating a stronger role for national governments in governing the Internet. Here are the first two: Payback time: The European Commission papers on ICANN http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/9/2/4891821.html The second EC ICANN Paper: How low can they go? http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/9/4/4893009.html ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rballeste at stu.edu Tue Sep 6 10:07:02 2011 From: rballeste at stu.edu (Balleste, Roy) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:07:02 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will be present. Kind Regards, Roy Balleste Law Library Director Associate Professor of Law St. Thomas University 16401 NW 37th Avenue Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA 1-305-623-2341 -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 9:26 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm Subject: Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Hi, Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. Looking forward to seeing you guys there! izumi 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September.  We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >  Suggested items for the agenda are: > > IGC's workshops at this IGF > Next coordinator elections > Working groups of the IGC > Strategic direction for the IGC > Review of the IGC charter > Other Internet governance processes > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu Tue Sep 6 10:19:45 2011 From: David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu (David Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:19:45 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <153290E2-618E-4BA6-941E-F10AEBADA3DE@post.harvard.edu> Well, between Carlos, Michael Froomkin and myself ... that is three of the 5 or 6 Internet users not on Facebook. And all of us here, in IGC ... I echo Michael Froomkin's concern with architecture (I think). Facebook, like AoL of yore, veers toward a closed silo, trying to fill so many needs of the user that there is hardly a need to venture beyond its walled garden. The advent on a Facebook email function settled the matter. How many years did we work, to make proprietary email systems interoperate? And now another one pops up, spawned by Facebook. 'Nuff said. Human beings have been social for what? - a hundred thousand years? Yes, we can use digital tools to make that even better. But not at the expense of selling ourselves and our relationships as advertising chattel. Most certainly, not at the expense of being captured in yet another walled garden. To that end: As has already been noted, any use of Facebook by IGC for information not distributed to _all_ will exclude those who are not on Facebook. And it seems virtually impossible to use Facebook without some exchanges that unavoidably contain important information, but that are trapped behind its wall. QED. David On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed >>> or open >>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jam at jacquelinemorris.com Tue Sep 6 10:21:00 2011 From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com (Jacqueline Morris) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <2087752076-1315317201-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-939971191-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E65CEF1.9020801@ciroap.org> <4E6618CA.2040102@cafonso.ca> <95227A668FFBB141A238AE53582A8E11011E6F30@VEXNODE2.man.provincia.mi.it> <2087752076-1315317201-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-939971191-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I thought about this a long time. Facebook is a proprietary, private website. There are many many users, and it would be a reasonable thing to put the IGC information out there so that like-minded folks can find us. However, Facebook in itself seems to be totally against the principles of the IGC, and to expect people to go there to find IGC info would not be a good thing. So, I think that as a compromise, the IGC can have a FB page for outreach to the FB users, and direct people to the other IGC online locations to truly interact with us. Our main interaction should be on the public, opensource fora we have. I don't think it's necessary to have a separate social net for us... Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <153290E2-618E-4BA6-941E-F10AEBADA3DE@post.harvard.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <153290E2-618E-4BA6-941E-F10AEBADA3DE@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: 4 - I'm one too :-) And I agree with what Jacqueline has to say, except for her last sentence: I don't think it's necessary to have a separate social net for us... which I suspect may be an irony anyway? "We" (the IGC) ARE a "social net", because "social nets" are not Facebook or MySpace or Second Life but an intercommunication of people which may (or may not) be facilitated by technology. Deirdre On 6 September 2011 10:19, David Allen wrote: > Well, between Carlos, Michael Froomkin and myself ... that is three of the > 5 or 6 Internet users not on Facebook. And all of us here, in IGC ... > > I echo Michael Froomkin's concern with architecture (I think). Facebook, > like AoL of yore, veers toward a closed silo, trying to fill so many needs > of the user that there is hardly a need to venture beyond its walled garden. > The advent on a Facebook email function settled the matter. How many years > did we work, to make proprietary email systems interoperate? And now > another one pops up, spawned by Facebook. 'Nuff said. > > Human beings have been social for what? - a hundred thousand years? Yes, > we can use digital tools to make that even better. But not at the expense > of selling ourselves and our relationships as advertising chattel. Most > certainly, not at the expense of being captured in yet another walled > garden. > > To that end: As has already been noted, any use of Facebook by IGC for > information not distributed to _all_ will exclude those who are not on > Facebook. And it seems virtually impossible to use Facebook without some > exchanges that unavoidably contain important information, but that are > trapped behind its wall. QED. > > David > > > On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >> Facebook, and I will not change my mind. >> >> frt rgds >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >>> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> >>>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or >>>> open >>>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >>>> >>>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>>> (or any other social tool). >>>> >>> >>> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >>> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >>> >>> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >>> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Norbert >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> >> > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sonigitu Ekpe *Project Support Officer[Agriculturist]* Cross River Farm Credit Scheme Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources 3 Barracks Road P.M.B. 1119 Calabar - Cross River State, Nigeria. Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 Skype: sonigitu.asibong.ekpe.aji *"LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" * On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > 4 - I'm one too :-) > > And I agree with what Jacqueline has to say, except for her last sentence: > > I don't think it's necessary to have a separate social net for us... > > which I suspect may be an irony anyway? > > "We" (the IGC) ARE a "social net", because "social nets" are not Facebook > or MySpace or Second Life but an intercommunication of people which may (or > may not) be facilitated by technology. > > Deirdre > > > On 6 September 2011 10:19, David Allen wrote: > >> Well, between Carlos, Michael Froomkin and myself ... that is three of the >> 5 or 6 Internet users not on Facebook. And all of us here, in IGC ... >> >> I echo Michael Froomkin's concern with architecture (I think). Facebook, >> like AoL of yore, veers toward a closed silo, trying to fill so many needs >> of the user that there is hardly a need to venture beyond its walled garden. >> The advent on a Facebook email function settled the matter. How many years >> did we work, to make proprietary email systems interoperate? And now >> another one pops up, spawned by Facebook. 'Nuff said. >> >> Human beings have been social for what? - a hundred thousand years? Yes, >> we can use digital tools to make that even better. But not at the expense >> of selling ourselves and our relationships as advertising chattel. Most >> certainly, not at the expense of being captured in yet another walled >> garden. >> >> To that end: As has already been noted, any use of Facebook by IGC for >> information not distributed to _all_ will exclude those who are not on >> Facebook. And it seems virtually impossible to use Facebook without some >> exchanges that unavoidably contain important information, but that are >> trapped behind its wall. QED. >> >> David >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: >> >> It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >>> Facebook, and I will not change my mind. >>> >>> frt rgds >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >>> >>>> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>>> >>>>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or >>>>> open >>>>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>>>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>>>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>>>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>>>> (or any other social tool). >>>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >>>> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >>>> >>>> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >>>> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Norbert >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**______________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________**______________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Afonso wrote: > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Tue Sep 6 11:45:08 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 11:45:08 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> I am not a Facebook user either. From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Louis Pouzin (well) Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:40 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: Carlos A. Afonso Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? +1 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:56, Carlos A. Afonso > wrote: It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. frt rgds --c.a. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson at gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of Izumi AIZU [aizu at anr.org] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 9:25 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm Subject: Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Hi, Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. Looking forward to seeing you guys there! izumi 2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. > Suggested items for the agenda are: > > IGC's workshops at this IGF > Next coordinator elections > Working groups of the IGC > Strategic direction for the IGC > Review of the IGC charter > Other Internet governance processes > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * << Writing the Future of the History >> www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Tue Sep 6 12:21:57 2011 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:21:57 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> ,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> imho, if the Egyptian revolutionaries were not too concerned about closed/proprietary/flawed/insecure/privacy-violating architectures to use the common tools available - to communicate - neither should we. Now on other hand our internal core operations being built 100% open as Jeremy has done I applaud. But letting folks know in Nairobi via Facebook, or Twitter, or Foursquare, or whatever, where folks are planning to meet for dinner...and/or using Facebook for PR/mass political mobilization on issues we care about...is totally fine by me. And in full disclosure, even if I am not personally a Facebook fanatic, I have wasted time there. Lee ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller [mueller at syr.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'governance at lists.cpsr.org'; 'Louis Pouzin (well)' Subject: RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook? I am not a Facebook user either. From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Louis Pouzin (well) Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:40 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: Carlos A. Afonso Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? +1 On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:56, Carlos A. Afonso > wrote: It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. frt rgds --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From marie.georges at noos.fr Tue Sep 6 13:07:34 2011 From: marie.georges at noos.fr (Marie GEORGES) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:07:34 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> ,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <450F64D7-3342-472F-A417-013B3E3B62D5@noos.fr> How come no one is setting up a non commercial "social network" where to subscribe for this group? + one who is not on Facebook and refuse to get there, Marie Le 6 sept. 2011 à 18:21, Lee W McKnight a écrit : > imho, if the Egyptian revolutionaries were not too concerned about closed/proprietary/flawed/insecure/privacy-violating architectures to use the common tools available - to communicate - neither should we. > > Now on other hand our internal core operations being built 100% open as Jeremy has done I applaud. > > But letting folks know in Nairobi via Facebook, or Twitter, or Foursquare, or whatever, where folks are planning to meet for dinner...and/or using Facebook for PR/mass political mobilization on issues we care about...is totally fine by me. And in full disclosure, even if I am not personally a Facebook fanatic, I have wasted time there. > > Lee > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller [mueller at syr.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:45 AM > To: 'governance at lists.cpsr.org'; 'Louis Pouzin (well)' > Subject: RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > I am not a Facebook user either. > > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Louis Pouzin (well) > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:40 AM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Cc: Carlos A. Afonso > Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > +1 > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:56, Carlos A. Afonso > wrote: > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From madeeha_24 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 13:18:17 2011 From: madeeha_24 at hotmail.com (madeeha rehman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:18:17 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jeremy, I am attending IGF 2011 and would like to be a part of IGC meeting in Nairobi. Best Regards,Madeeha Rehman From: jeremy at ciroap.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:37:21 -0400 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the evening of 26 September. As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining afterwards will be able to get away on time. There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. Suggested items for the agenda are: IGC's workshops at this IGFNext coordinator electionsWorking groups of the IGCStrategic direction for the IGCReview of the IGC charterOther Internet governance processes If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue Sep 6 13:24:40 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 18:24:40 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> Message-ID: In message <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6 at IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local>, at 16:13:41 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, "Thompson, Darlene" writes >I would like to attend remotely So would I. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue Sep 6 13:26:48 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 18:26:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <$2kMIAOYflZOFAPB@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B at suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>, at 12:21:57 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Lee W McKnight writes >letting folks know in Nairobi via Facebook, or Twitter, or >Foursquare, or whatever, where folks are planning to meet for dinner... Yes, that's completely acceptable if you assume that your presence in Nairobi isn't a secret. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 13:56:44 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Message-ID: <1315331804.69024.yint-ygo-j2me@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear Izumi, Thank you for your email. With reference to your query that who is coming to attend meeting, would you please share information about travel support options availability and procedure for IGFPAK members. We would also like to join IGC meeting remotely. With reference to your query about participation Remote Hubs, I would like to include one of the IGF 2011 Remote Hub at International Islamic University, Islamabad (Pakistan), which is being organized by IGFPAK along with parallel IGFPAK 2011 meeting. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah - Urdu Internet Society (UISoc.org) - Internet Governance of Pakistan (IGFPAK.org) On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:25 PKT Izumi AIZU wrote: >Hi, > >Following Jeremy's invitation, I would also like to ask you to indicate if >you are coming to this meeting (and IGF) by replying to this thread. > >For those who will join with the remote hubs, please also let us know. > >Looking forward to seeing you guys there! > >izumi > >2011/9/1 Jeremy Malcolm : >> Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF >> meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the >> evening of 26 September. >> As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our >> meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will >> be at around 6:30pm on 26 September.  We will try not to take too long, in >> order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining >> afterwards will be able to get away on time. >> There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an >> opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. >>  Suggested items for the agenda are: >> >> IGC's workshops at this IGF >> Next coordinator elections >> Working groups of the IGC >> Strategic direction for the IGC >> Review of the IGC charter >> Other Internet governance processes >> >> If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. >> Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> > > > >-- >                        >> Izumi Aizu << > >          Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > >           Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >                                  Japan >                                 * * * * * >           << Writing the Future of the History >> >                                www.anr.org >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Sep 6 14:00:20 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:00:20 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch><4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> 5-6. not 3-4! :) Frankly, I am appalled by this orkut-facebook-linkedin-etc-ec awe/adoration of corporate-owned so-called "social networks". Have fun! --c.a. On 09/06/2011 10:04 AM, cveraq at gmail.com wrote: > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Tue Sep 6 14:04:28 2011 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 03:04:28 +0900 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <$2kMIAOYflZOFAPB@internetpolicyagency.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <$2kMIAOYflZOFAPB@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: >In message ><93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B at suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>, >at 12:21:57 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Lee W McKnight >writes >>letting folks know in Nairobi via Facebook, or Twitter, or >>Foursquare, or whatever, where folks are planning to meet for dinner... > >Yes, that's completely acceptable if you assume that your presence >in Nairobi isn't a secret. Oh, caught. I'll try to be there. I use facebook, but usually only to find out about my sister-in-law's dog hair allergies (quite sad, they have young kids). Anyway, enough of mixing friends, family, work, and pets... Best, Adam >-- >Roland Perry >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 14:07:23 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:37:23 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jeremy, I will attend. Sivasubramanian M ISOC India Chennai facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > Izumi and I would like to invite all those who will be at the Nairobi IGF > meeting to attend a general meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus in the > evening of 26 September. > > As in recent years, GIGANET have generously offered that we can have our > meeting in their room after their symposium wraps up which I understand will > be at around 6:30pm on 26 September. We will try not to take too long, in > order that those from the GIGANET or APC meetings who will be dining > afterwards will be able to get away on time. > > There will be no decisions taken at the meeting, but it will be an > opportunity for review of the past year and discussion of what is ahead. > Suggested items for the agenda are: > > > - IGC's workshops at this IGF > - Next coordinator elections > - Working groups of the IGC > - Strategic direction for the IGC > - Review of the IGC charter > - Other Internet governance processes > > > If you have any other items to discuss, please reply to this thread. > > Thanks and we look forward to seeing you there if you can make it. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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In-Reply-To: <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Unfortunately my kids/grandkids have forgotten how to email (or use the telephone) and Facebook seems to be the only way of keeping track of their comings and goings :( M -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Carlos A. Afonso Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:00 AM To: cveraq at gmail.com Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Norbert Bollow Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? 5-6. not 3-4! :) Frankly, I am appalled by this orkut-facebook-linkedin-etc-ec awe/adoration of corporate-owned so-called "social networks". Have fun! --c.a. On 09/06/2011 10:04 AM, cveraq at gmail.com wrote: > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your > choice to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL > means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook > is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. > So, it's ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerryR de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed >>> or open or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at >>> least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi to >>> share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some online >>> facility. Other than mailing list and official website, we have not >>> much, and then realized how about using Facebook, (or any other >>> social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jam at jacquelinemorris.com Tue Sep 6 14:14:20 2011 From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com (Jacqueline Morris) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:14:20 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: I don't think it's awe or adoration, but a practical idea to get information about IGC and the issues we care about to a larger audience and invite other people to participate in the IGC. If you want to market anything, you have to go where the people are... and then we can bring them here. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > 5-6. not 3-4! :) > > Frankly, I am appalled by this orkut-facebook-linkedin-etc-ec > awe/adoration of corporate-owned so-called "social networks". > > Have fun! > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 10:04 AM, cveraq at gmail.com wrote: > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your > choice to be or not to be there. > > > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me. > > > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > > > Carlos Vera > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > > To: ; Norbert Bollow > > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > > > frt rgds > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > >> Izumi AIZU wrote: > >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or > open > >>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >>> > >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >>> (or any other social tool). > >> > >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > >> > >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Norbert > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fatimacambronero at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 14:33:10 2011 From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:33:10 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: 2011/9/6 Jacqueline Morris > I don't think it's awe or adoration, but a practical idea to get > information about IGC and the issues we care about to a larger audience and > invite other people to participate in the IGC. > If you want to market anything, you have to go where the people are... and > then we can bring them here. > Jacqueline, I agree with you. Fatima > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > >> 5-6. not 3-4! :) >> >> Frankly, I am appalled by this orkut-facebook-linkedin-etc-ec >> awe/adoration of corporate-owned so-called "social networks". >> >> Have fun! >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 09/06/2011 10:04 AM, cveraq at gmail.com wrote: >> > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your >> choice to be or not to be there. >> > >> > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL >> means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. >> > >> > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! >> > >> > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook >> is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, >> it's ok for millions including me. >> > >> > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools >> > >> > Carlos Vera >> > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" >> > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 >> > To: ; Norbert Bollow >> > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" >> > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? >> > >> > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >> > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. >> > >> > frt rgds >> > >> > --c.a. >> > >> > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or >> open >> >>> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >>> >> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> Norbert >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.cpsr.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- *Fatima Cambronero* Abogada-Argentina Directora de Investigaciones *AGEIA DENSI Argentina* http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ *@facambronero* *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:* https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The declaration is a result of the discussions in the Global Congress on public interest and IP, that gathered a group of over 170 policymakers and advocates from approximately 35 countries. The Declaration provides a series of specific recommendations for action by the international intellectual property public interest community and covers topics such as: valuing openess and the public domain, strengthening limitations and exceptions and setting public interest priorities for patent reform. The document is available at: http://infojustice.org/washington-declaration# Best, Marília -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <$2kMIAOYflZOFAPB@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: <4E668210.2080409@cafonso.ca> ... and secrets! :) --c.a. On 09/06/2011 03:04 PM, Adam Peake wrote: >> In message >> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B at suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>, >> at 12:21:57 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Lee W McKnight writes >>> letting folks know in Nairobi via Facebook, or Twitter, or >>> Foursquare, or whatever, where folks are planning to meet for dinner... >> >> Yes, that's completely acceptable if you assume that your presence in >> Nairobi isn't a secret. > > > Oh, caught. > > I'll try to be there. I use facebook, but usually only to find out > about my sister-in-law's dog hair allergies (quite sad, they have young > kids). Anyway, enough of mixing friends, family, work, and pets... > > Best, > > Adam > > > > > >> -- >> Roland Perry >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu Tue Sep 6 16:39:55 2011 From: David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu (David Allen) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:39:55 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> ,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: > imho, if the Egyptian revolutionaries were not too concerned about > closed/proprietary/flawed/insecure/privacy-violating architectures > to use the common tools available Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that helped put it / them over the top. Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead of selling ourselves to marketeers ... ... creating a piece of IGC that some members cannot see. David ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:49:57 2011 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:49:57 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice > to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or > open > >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >> > >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >> (or any other social tool). > > > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch><4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca><692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <131598194-1315342255-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1243021030-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> :) it's internet time Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: Rui Correia Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:49:57 To: ; Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice > to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or > open > >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >> > >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >> (or any other social tool). > > > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > >____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:53:57 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:23:57 -0430 Subject: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Agree with David... On 6 September 2011 16:09, David Allen wrote: > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / innovating > tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead of selling > ourselves to marketeers ... > > ... creating a piece of IGC that some members cannot see. > > David > > > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 17:59:44 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I guess they are "coming for me too" shaila :):)   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Rui Correia To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > >But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > >The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > >IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > >Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > >Carlos Vera >Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Carlos A. Afonso" >Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 >To: ; Norbert Bollow >Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" >Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > >It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > >frt rgds > >--c.a. > >On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think?  I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant   _______________   ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> If there are no problems! Then no solutions, no innovations, no internet2, no nothing. I love problems because they are always an opportunity.. In stone age, no IP problems, no privacy concerns, but I"m still happy to be here and now! Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: shaila mistry Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Rui Correia Reply-To: shaila mistry Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? I guess they are "coming for me too" shaila :):)   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Rui Correia To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > >But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > >The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > >IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > >Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > >Carlos Vera >Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Carlos A. Afonso" >Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 >To: ; Norbert Bollow >Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" >Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > >It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > >frt rgds > >--c.a. > >On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think?  I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant   _______________   ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From amedinagomez at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 18:14:30 2011 From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:14:30 -0500 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: +1 2011/9/6 > If there are no problems! Then no solutions, no innovations, no internet2, > no nothing. I love problems because they are always an opportunity.. In > stone age, no IP problems, no privacy concerns, but I"m still happy to be > here and now! > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > ------------------------------ > *From: * shaila mistry > *Date: *Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *governance at lists.cpsr.org; > cveraq at gmail.com; Rui Correia > *ReplyTo: * shaila mistry > *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > I guess they are "coming for me too" > shaila :):) > > *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !* > *..................... the renaissance of composure ! > * > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rui Correia > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Hey Carlos > > How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three > minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) > > Um abraço, > > Rui > > 2011/9/6 > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice > to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or > open > >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >> > >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >> (or any other social tool). > > > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > >____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > _________________________ > Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 > Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 > > I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African > numbers > Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através > dos meus números sul-africanos > > Rui Correia > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant > Angola Liaison Consultant > > _______________ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Tue Sep 6 18:44:55 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1315349095.26513.YahooMailNeo@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The issue is we need open digital platform/space to share ideas, knowledge, network and collaborate etc  but we also want privacy protection !!! Can we have both and how good is Facebook or any other in respecting privacy ? shaila The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: "cveraq at gmail.com" To: shaila mistry ; "governance at lists.cpsr.org" ; Rui Correia Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? If there are no problems! Then no solutions, no innovations, no internet2, no nothing. I love problems because they are always an opportunity.. In stone age, no IP problems, no privacy concerns, but I"m still happy to be here and now! Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro ________________________________ From: shaila mistry Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Rui Correia ReplyTo: shaila mistry Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? I guess they are "coming for me too" shaila :):)   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Rui Correia To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > >But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > >The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > >IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > >Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > >Carlos Vera >Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Carlos A. Afonso" >Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 >To: ; Norbert Bollow >Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" >Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > >It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > >frt rgds > >--c.a. > >On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think?  I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant   _______________   ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 19:03:23 2011 From: cveraq at gmail.com (cveraq at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:03:23 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <1315349095.26513.YahooMailNeo@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry><1315349095.26513.YahooMailNeo@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2074254519-1315350241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322742374-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> You have what you pay for! Facebook is free so sharing data and sending you info is about the business model for they to make money. There are other platforms and choices so it's about you to make a decision. You can open a new email account, put a code name and fake info and open a facebook account just to participate in IGF.. Or enjoy, as me, facebook and share it with friends, relatives, parents, grandma, sons and even with IGF's people! No matter what you're always nake on Internet and privacy is only a remember from a long long time ago! Isn't it? Carlos Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: shaila mistry Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:44:55 To: cveraq at gmail.com; governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui Correia Reply-To: shaila mistry Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? The issue is we need open digital platform/space to share ideas, knowledge, network and collaborate etc  but we also want privacy protection !!! Can we have both and how good is Facebook or any other in respecting privacy ? shaila The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: "cveraq at gmail.com" To: shaila mistry ; "governance at lists.cpsr.org" ; Rui Correia Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? If there are no problems! Then no solutions, no innovations, no internet2, no nothing. I love problems because they are always an opportunity.. In stone age, no IP problems, no privacy concerns, but I"m still happy to be here and now! Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro ________________________________ From: shaila mistry Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Rui Correia ReplyTo: shaila mistry Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? I guess they are "coming for me too" shaila :):)   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Rui Correia To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hey Carlos How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) Um abraço, Rui 2011/9/6 Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > >But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > >The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > >IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > >Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > >Carlos Vera >Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Carlos A. Afonso" >Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 >To: ; Norbert Bollow >Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" >Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > >It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on >Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > >frt rgds > >--c.a. > >On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >>> or both. What do you think?  I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >>> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >>> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >>> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >>> (or any other social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >>____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>      governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant   _______________   ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Tue Sep 6 19:53:18 2011 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: (message from David Allen on Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:39:55 -0400) References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> ,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <20110906235318.612D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> David Allen wrote: > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > helped put it / them over the top. Yes. Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 20:32:18 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 06:02:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After all these discussions, still +1 to the idea of connecting. What would be the most acceptable or least unacceptable solution? Google +? Innovative use of Wordpress ? An skype conversation with all of IGC on the conversation ? Anything is good, despite the drawbacks. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Hello Izumi, > > > +1 > > > Sivasubramanian M > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed or open >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >> >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, >> (or any other social tool). Facebook could be a good tool to share >> ideas and also outreach, though it also has drawbacks, too. >> >> We can discuss this as part of our agenda in Nairobi, but I like to hear >> those who could unfortunately come there in advance. >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Sep 7 03:05:14 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:05:14 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message , at 09:30:05 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law writes >You should also be aware that some US educational institutions (wrongly >in my opinion, but no one asked me) actually *forbid* instructors to be >on Facebook on pain of dismissal. And I've heard of educational institutions which in effect require all students and instructors to be members of Facebook, because that's what is used to organise seminars etc. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Sep 7 03:08:48 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:08:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <153290E2-618E-4BA6-941E-F10AEBADA3DE@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: In message , at 10:48:46 on Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Deirdre Williams writes >"We" (the IGC) ARE a "social net", because "social nets" are not >Facebook or MySpace or Second Life but an intercommunication of people >which may (or may not) be facilitated by technology. Exactly. This mailing list is a social network, and many similar ones have existed long before that name became popular (for interactions via a web site, but as I hope we all realise, "The Internet" is a much bigger thing than "The Web"). -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Wed Sep 7 04:19:23 2011 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <23917590.28330.1315383563239.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g30> +1 Jean-Louis Fullsack CSDPTT > Message du 06/09/11 17:40 > De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org > Copie à : "Carlos A. Afonso" > Objet : [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > +1 > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:56, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:      http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 06:18:01 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:18:01 +0500 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Dear Izumi Aizu, How are you? While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. As you have decided to start with the "Closed Group" of facebook, my concern are as follows. 1. Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin's approval i.e. the coordinators' approval). 2. Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact and/or other information. 3. Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site. 4. According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only. I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmad Shah Executive Member UISoc.org/IGFPAK.org -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 06:12 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com Cc: Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Dear all, Thank you for the comments and suggestions. All seem valid and important. I did not intend to make Facebook page or group too integral with our operations, and I don't exclude using our wiki. Yet, since there are great many people who are using the Facebook already if not IGC members but they may share our concerns and interests in a larger sense, it might be useful to try this out. That is to start the Open page. On top of that, or instead of that, say for a while, we can use more private Group function, depending on the settings we can make it secret, closed but could be seen by anyone, or just open. I like to first try this "closed group" and see how it works (or not). izumi 2011/9/6 < cveraq at gmail.com>: > Sorry I mean greatest > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerryR de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: cveraq at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39 > To: ; Carlos A. Afonso; > Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: cveraq at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your choice to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerryR de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: ; Norbert Bollow > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: >> Izumi AIZU < iza at anr.org> wrote: >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed >>> or open or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. >>> >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi to >>> share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some online >>> facility. Other than mailing list and official website, we have not >>> much, and then realized how about using Facebook, (or any other >>> social tool). >> >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki? >> >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: This option is very valid Antonio Medina 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > Dear Izumi Aizu, How are you? **** > > ** ** > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have > selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side).*** > * > > ** ** > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option > regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is > one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only > members can see the wall, discussion board and photos.**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my > concern are as follows.**** > > **1. **Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS > Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or > to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook > and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ > approval). **** > > ** ** > > **2. **Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up > the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify > the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of > the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, > it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the > facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and > conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most > probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook > network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect > their data, contact and/or other information.**** > > ** ** > > **3. **Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member > like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to > publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but > not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking > site.**** > > ** ** > > **4. **According to review, current voting and comments in favor of > facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information > sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above > mentioned item No.3 only.**** > > ** ** > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or > publishing facebook close group.**** > > ** ** > > Thanking you and Best Regards**** > > ** ** > > Imran Ahmad Shah**** > > Executive Member**** > > UISoc.org/IGFPAK.org**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > -----Original Message----- > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On > Behalf Of Izumi AIZU > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 06:12 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com > Cc: Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > ** ** > > Dear all,**** > > ** ** > > Thank you for the comments and suggestions. All seem valid and important.* > *** > > ** ** > > I did not intend to make Facebook page or group too integral with our > operations, and I don't exclude using our wiki.**** > > ** ** > > Yet, since there are great many people who are using the Facebook already > if not IGC members but they may share our concerns and interests in a larger > sense, it might be useful to try this out. That is to start the Open page. > **** > > On top of that, or instead of that, say for a while, we can use more > private Group function, depending on the settings we can make it secret, > closed but could be seen by anyone, or just open.**** > > ** ** > > I like to first try this "closed group" and see how it works (or not).**** > > ** ** > > izumi**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2011/9/6 :**** > > > Sorry I mean greatest**** > > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro**** > > >** ** > > > -----Original Message-----**** > > > From: cveraq at gmail.com**** > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:04:39**** > > > To: ; Carlos A. Afonso; **** > > > Norbert Bollow**** > > > Reply-To: cveraq at gmail.com**** > > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?**** > > >** ** > > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your > choice to be or not to be there.**** > > >** ** > > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL means > open, privacy not totally ensured, and more.**** > > >** ** > > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out!**** > > >** ** > > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, Facebook is > that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not have Facebook. So, it's > ok for millions including me.**** > > >** ** > > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools**** > > >** ** > > > Carlos Vera**** > > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro**** > > >** ** > > > -----Original Message-----**** > > > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" **** > > > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org**** > > > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50**** > > > To: ; Norbert Bollow**** > > > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" ** > ** > > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook?**** > > >** ** > > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on *** > * > > > Facebook, and I will not change my mind.**** > > >** ** > > > frt rgds**** > > >** ** > > > --c.a.**** > > >** ** > > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote:**** > > >> Izumi AIZU wrote:**** > > >>> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it closed *** > * > > >>> or open or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at > least.**** > > >>>** ** > > >>> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi to **** > > >>> share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some online **** > > >>> facility. Other than mailing list and official website, we have not ** > ** > > >>> much, and then realized how about using Facebook, (or any other **** > > >>> social tool).**** > > >>** ** > > >> I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for **** > > >> this purpose, perhaps a wiki?**** > > >>** ** > > >> I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track **** > > >> record and attitude regarding privacy matters.**** > > >>** ** > > >> Greetings,**** > > >> Norbert**** > > >> ____________________________________________________________**** > > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:**** > > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org**** > > >> To be removed from the list, visit:**** > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing**** > > >>** ** > > >> For all other list information and functions, see:**** > > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance**** > > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:**** > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/**** > > >>** ** > > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > >>** ** > > >>** ** > > > ____________________________________________________________**** > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:**** > > > governance at lists.cpsr.org**** > > > To be removed from the list, visit:**** > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing**** > > >** ** > > > For all other list information and functions, see:**** > > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance**** > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:**** > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/**** > > >** ** > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > >** ** > > > ____________________________________________________________**** > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:**** > > > governance at lists.cpsr.org**** > > > To be removed from the list, visit:**** > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing**** > > >** ** > > > For all other list information and functions, see:**** > > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance**** > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:**** > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/**** > > >** ** > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > >** ** > > >** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > --**** > > >> Izumi Aizu <<**** > > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo**** > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,**** > > Japan**** > > * * * * ***** > > www.anr.org____________________________________________________________ > **** > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:**** > > governance at lists.cpsr.org**** > > To be removed from the list, visit:**** > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing**** > > ** ** > > For all other list information and functions, see:**** > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance**** > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:**** > > http://www.igcaucus.org/**** > > ** ** > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t**** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). > > > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my concern are as follows. I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > > 1.      Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ approval). You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be able to see the content of the group. And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can invite and add any other friends. > 2.      Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact  and/or other information. ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether we need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our own social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again depends on what exactly we want to achieve. > > > > 3.      Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site. > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > 4.      According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only. OK. My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using FB group as experimental. There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an option. However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at Nairobi, before making any consensus call. > > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group. Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus. I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for the experimentation. But I may be wrong ;-) izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 08:55:31 2011 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:55:31 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Still not sure why Jeremy's suggestion is not acceptable. Agree with Jacqueline, Siva and David at the same time. And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? On 9/7/11, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. > > 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > >> >> While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have >> selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). >> >> >> >> When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option >> regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is >> one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only >> members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. >> > > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others > can see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > >> >> As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my >> concern are as follows. > > I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook > formally. I created it as an > experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > >> >> 1.      Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS >> Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments >> or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the >> Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the >> coordinators’ approval). > > You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it > already there, as experimental > purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be able to see the > content of the group. > And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can > invite > and add any other friends. > > >> 2.      Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the >> Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the >> charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the >> facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, >> it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the >> facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and >> conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most >> probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook >> network or at least through their native or primary email address to >> protect their data, contact  and/or other information. > > ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place > for dialogue among > IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for Facebook. And > that > will require consensus of our members. I think whether we need to > modify the Charter or not > depends on how we propose and define the use of this group. My > intention has been not to > make this FB page as formal body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. > > And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start > our own social network > or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again depends > on what exactly we > want to achieve. >> >> >> >> 3.      Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member >> like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed >> to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities >> (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social >> networking site. >> > > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > >> 4.      According to review, current voting and comments in favor of >> facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information >> sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above >> mentioned item No.3 only. > > OK. > > My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start > using FB group as experimental. > There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could > be an option. > However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as > there at Nairobi, before making > any consensus call. > >> >> >> I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or >> publishing facebook close group. > > Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just > experimenting the functions > as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you all really feel not > comfortable even with this > "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down until > we reach consensus. > > I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk > for the experimentation. > But I may be wrong ;-) > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Wed Sep 7 08:59:54 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:59:54 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <4E665FB4.8000703@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937118@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Right, Jacqueline. By telling people I am not on Facebook I did not mean to imply that no one should use it. I agree with Lee's and your perspective: approach it pragmatically, don't get locked in to it in any way, but take advantage of whatever outreach and coordination possibilities it offers. From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Morris I don't think it's awe or adoration, but a practical idea to get information about IGC and the issues we care about to a larger audience and invite other people to participate in the IGC. If you want to market anything, you have to go where the people are... and then we can bring them here. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 09:02:48 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:02:48 +0500 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901cc6d5e$74c717e0$5e5547a0$@yahoo.com> Dear Izumi Aizu, Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators. However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full powers. I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and dependencies for the member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group. Thanking you and Best Imran Ahmad Shah -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM To: ias_pk at yahoo.com Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow; imran at igfpak.org Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). > > > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my concern are as follows. I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > > 1.      Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ approval). You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be able to see the content of the group. And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can invite and add any other friends. > 2.      Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact  and/or other information. ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether we need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our own social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again depends on what exactly we want to achieve. > > > > 3.      Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site. > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > 4.      According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only. OK. My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using FB group as experimental. There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an option. However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at Nairobi, before making any consensus call. > > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group. Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus. I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for the experimentation. But I may be wrong ;-) izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Wed Sep 7 09:46:56 2011 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:46:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 14:55, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > Still not sure why Jeremy's suggestion is not acceptable. > > Agree with Jacqueline, Siva and David at the same time. > > And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, > etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC > members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open > Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? > - - - My hunch is that would trigger much more noise than signal. Then who has enough spare time to debunk the load of misconceptions ? 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Director Colnodo Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75, Bogota, Colombia Tel: 57-1-2324246, Cel. 57-315-3339099 Fax: 57-1-3380264 www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo Miembro de la Asociacion para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- www.apc.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 10:12:13 2011 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:12:13 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have been wondering about noise as well. Communication seems to me to work more efficiently, in terms of "these are the issues", as information emanating from a known and/or trusted individual. Rather than one large "IGC" campaign, individual initiatives by IGC members, who use Facebook and other such services, to spread information about the issues of Internet Governance might have more real effect. And this would also serve to break the language difficulties to a great extent. But one never knows how things will work until the experiment is complete - so all power to Izumi for experimenting. Deirdre On 7 September 2011 09:46, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 14:55, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google < > tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Still not sure why Jeremy's suggestion is not acceptable. >> >> Agree with Jacqueline, Siva and David at the same time. >> >> And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, >> etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC >> members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open >> Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? >> > - - - > > My hunch is that would trigger much more noise than signal. Then who has > enough spare time to debunk the load of misconceptions ? > Good luck. > - - - > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deirdre On 7 September 2011 10:00, "Julián Casasbuenas G." wrote: > > I'll attend remotely from a Remote Hub setup in Bogotá, Colombia, > > Best, > > -- > > Julian Casasbuenas G. > Director Colnodo > Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75, Bogota, Colombia > Tel: 57-1-2324246, Cel. 57-315-3339099 Fax: 57-1-3380264 > www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo > Miembro de la Asociacion para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- > www.apc.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu Wed Sep 7 10:31:18 2011 From: David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu (David Allen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:31:18 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38B16546-80ED-44E6-B1BF-5F6E6DDAE868@post.harvard.edu> On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is > just experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use > of FB. If you all really feel not comfortable even with this > "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down > until we reach consensus. > > I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk > for the experimentation. But I may be wrong ;-) > > > izumi Experience suggests that 'in for penny, in for a pound' (to use a British aphorism). Once the thing gets a foothold, it can grow, despite intentions. And IGC members not on Facebook will not have access to the exchanges. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Wed Sep 7 12:36:04 2011 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:36:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> Message-ID: <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. jeanette -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 From: Chengetai Masango To: igf Forum Dear All, I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer and those in the south the winter was not too cold. We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The preparations are moving along well. I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional queuing . The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end of the week. Best regards Chengetai _______________________________________________ igf_members mailing list igf_members at intgovforum.org http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cls at rkey.com Wed Sep 7 11:42:05 2011 From: cls at rkey.com (Craig Simon) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 11:42:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <2074254519-1315350241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322742374-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry><1315349095.26513.YahooMailNeo@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2074254519-1315350241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322742374-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E6790CD.6030005@rkey.com> As someone who's done some Facebook app development, I'd suggest that there might be a technical solution that routes around the various problems and reservations being raised here. FYI, the The IGC exists as a closed group with about 6 members, and the Internet Governance Forum has about 2100 "likes" but doesn't see a great deal of activity. http://www.facebook.com/groups/CS.IGC/ http://www.facebook.com/IntGovForum?ref=ts My understanding is that some within the IGC would like to use Facebook in ways that can leverage all the viral goodness that Facebook may offer. That is, people who post and comment on a Page or Group wall can generally count on having that content pushed out onto many personal newsfeeds where it can easily attract new particpants. The evident problem is that non-Facebook users wouldn't be able to see that content at all. Moreover, even Facebook members may miss it as things fly by. Moreover, some folks simply don't want to be on Facebook... period. That's a perfectly reasonable position. Others may be considering violating FB's terms of service by creating a fake persona for that purpose only. I'd advise against that, since it can get confusing, and the account would always be at high risk of termination. In my own online reading habits, I tend to be far more diligent about following my various subscriptions in filtered lists via my email client than I am about following groups on Facebook. So I believe that moving this list's content to Facebook would degrade my ability to keep up with conversations. I expect others would have the same concern. Nevertheless, there's no denying that, if prominence is what you want, a stronger presence on Facebook is a good way to pursue it. I believe there may be (or soon will be) facebook apps that facilitate automatic publication of email list digests to a Facebook wall, and the simultaneous republication of wall comments back to the list. I've looked briefly, and I recommend that folks here who are advocating a pro-Facebook strategy keep their eyes open for that kind of a tool. Craig Simon On 9/6/11 7:03 PM, cveraq at gmail.com wrote: > You have what you pay for! Facebook is free so sharing data and sending > you info is about the business model for they to make money. There are > other platforms and choices so it's about you to make a decision. > > You can open a new email account, put a code name and fake info and open > a facebook account just to participate in IGF.. Or enjoy, as me, > facebook and share it with friends, relatives, parents, grandma, sons > and even with IGF's people! > > No matter what you're always nake on Internet and privacy is only a > remember from a long long time ago! Isn't it? > > Carlos > > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: * shaila mistry > *Date: *Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *cveraq at gmail.com; > governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui > Correia > *ReplyTo: * shaila mistry > *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > The issue is we need open digital platform/space to share ideas, > knowledge, network and collaborate etc but we also want privacy > protection !!! > Can we have both and how good is Facebook or any other in respecting > privacy ? > *shaila* > * > * > *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !* > *..................... the renaissance of composure ! > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "cveraq at gmail.com" > *To:* shaila mistry ; "governance at lists.cpsr.org" > ; Rui Correia > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > If there are no problems! Then no solutions, no innovations, no > internet2, no nothing. I love problems because they are always an > opportunity.. In stone age, no IP problems, no privacy concerns, but I"m > still happy to be here and now! > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: * shaila mistry > *Date: *Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:59:44 -0700 (PDT) > *To: *governance at lists.cpsr.org; > cveraq at gmail.com; Rui Correia > *ReplyTo: * shaila mistry > *Subject: *Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > I guess they are "coming for me too" > shaila :):) > *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !* > *..................... the renaissance of composure ! > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Rui Correia > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Hey Carlos > > How long will you hold out? your 5-6 just got mowed down to 3-4 in three > minutes! They are coming for you! ;-) > > Um abraço, > > Rui > > 2011/9/6 > > > Facebook is the greast SOCIAL network in the whole world. It's your > choice to be or not to be there. > > But of course you do not choose something SOCIAL to be hide! SOCIAL > means open, privacy not totally ensured, and more. > > The only way to ensure you're not exposed is to keep out! > > IGF is public, open and needs and easy system to participate, > Facebook is that kind of tool except for those 3-4 that does not > have Facebook. So, it's ok for millions including me. > > Love innovation and love SOCIAL tools > > Carlos Vera > Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carlos A. Afonso" > > Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:56:50 > To: >; > Norbert Bollow> > Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > ,"Carlos A. Afonso" > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > It seems by now I am one of those 5-6 Internet users who is *not* on > Facebook, and I will not change my mind. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/06/2011 04:19 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > Izumi AIZU > wrote: > >> It just came to my mind to have our Page on Facebook, be it > closed or open > >> or both. What do you think? I think it's worth a try, at least. > >> > >> I was thinking to ask all IGC members who is coming to Nairobi > >> to share their contact/hotel info, and thinking of using some > >> online facility. Other than mailing list and official website, > >> we have not much, and then realized how about using Facebook, > >> (or any other social tool). > > > > I agree that it would be good to use some kind of online tool for > > this purpose, perhaps a wiki? > > > > I'd suggest to rather avoid Facebook because of the abysmal track > > record and attitude regarding privacy matters. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > >____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > _________________________ > Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 > Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 > > I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African > numbers > Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através > dos meus números sul-africanos > > Rui Correia > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant > Angola Liaison Consultant > > _______________ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 12:45:40 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> <4E677914.9060603@colnodo.apc.org> Message-ID: <1315413940.90113.YahooMailNeo@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi All I am still trying to attend in person. Failing that I will definitely attend remotely . Can I get a list of hubs so at least I have some company. Thank you for all your good work regards  Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Deirdre Williams To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ""Julián Casasbuenas G."" Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Wish I could be there in the flesh, but, technology permitting, I'm hoping to attend virtually from Saint Lucia. Deirdre On 7 September 2011 10:00, "Julián Casasbuenas G." wrote: >I'll attend remotely from a Remote Hub setup in Bogotá, Colombia, > >Best, > >-- > >Julian Casasbuenas G. >Director Colnodo >Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75, Bogota, Colombia >Tel: 57-1-2324246, Cel. 57-315-3339099 Fax: 57-1-3380264 >www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo >Miembro de la Asociacion para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- >www.apc.org > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 12:54:58 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <001901cc6d5e$74c717e0$5e5547a0$@yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> <001901cc6d5e$74c717e0$5e5547a0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1315414498.76771.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Jeremy and Izumi and everyone  I have no objection to using FB for education and exposure to the work of IGF. However, perhaps we need to use a different platform, maybe a group on skype or google  or even a closed group on FB so that there can be more comfortable debate amongst ourselves. Much of what we say is is within the context of our own involvement with IGF and within past history and relationships with one another. Sometimes statements made in haste within this context may be misunderstood by the wider community. Also we all like the right to be forgotten. I don't think FB will let us do that ! Like all of you I use FB extensively and know some of what it does with our info :) cheers  Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Imran Ahmed Shah To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Izumi AIZU' Cc: cveraq at gmail.com; 'Carlos A. Afonso' ; 'Norbert Bollow' ; imran at igfpak.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:02 AM Subject: RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Dear Izumi Aizu, Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators. However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full powers. I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and dependencies for the member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group. Thanking you and Best Imran Ahmad Shah -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM To: ias_pk at yahoo.com Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow; imran at igfpak.org Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). > > > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my concern are as follows. I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > > 1.      Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ approval). You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be able to see the content of the group. And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can invite and add any other friends. > 2.      Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact  and/or other information. ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether we need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our own social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again depends on what exactly we want to achieve. > > > > 3.      Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site. > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > 4.      According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only. OK. My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using FB group as experimental. There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an option. However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at Nairobi, before making any consensus call. > > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group. Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus. I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for the experimentation. But I may be wrong ;-) izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cveraq at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 13:00:31 2011 From: cveraq at gmail.com (cveraq at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:00:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <1315414498.76771.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> <001901cc6d5e$74c717e0$5e5547a0$@yahoo.com><1315414498.76771.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1028483526-1315414832-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-857247236-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> This is a disclaimer issue. I mean "closed" does not ensure that things remain only inside the group. For example if I participate in a "closed" group I'm able to share though inside with my friends or colleagues son it's not "closed" anymore. A disclaimer saying that all exchange is not an official position or is only an academic exercise is the only necessary thing here I guess.. Carlos Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Claro -----Original Message----- From: shaila mistry Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:54:58 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Izumi AIZU'; Imran Ahmed Shah Reply-To: shaila mistry Cc: cveraq at gmail.com; 'Carlos A. Afonso'; 'Norbert Bollow'; imran at igfpak.org; Jeremy Malcolm Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Hi Jeremy and Izumi and everyone  I have no objection to using FB for education and exposure to the work of IGF. However, perhaps we need to use a different platform, maybe a group on skype or google  or even a closed group on FB so that there can be more comfortable debate amongst ourselves. Much of what we say is is within the context of our own involvement with IGF and within past history and relationships with one another. Sometimes statements made in haste within this context may be misunderstood by the wider community. Also we all like the right to be forgotten. I don't think FB will let us do that ! Like all of you I use FB extensively and know some of what it does with our info :) cheers  Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Imran Ahmed Shah To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Izumi AIZU' Cc: cveraq at gmail.com; 'Carlos A. Afonso' ; 'Norbert Bollow' ; imran at igfpak.org Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:02 AM Subject: RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Dear Izumi Aizu, Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators. However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full powers. I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and dependencies for the member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group. Thanking you and Best Imran Ahmad Shah -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM To: ias_pk at yahoo.com Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert Bollow; imran at igfpak.org Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). > > > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my concern are as follows. I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > > 1.      Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments or to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the Facebook and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the coordinators’ approval). You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not be able to see the content of the group. And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can invite and add any other friends. > 2.      Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook network or at least through their native or primary email address to protect their data, contact  and/or other information. ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up for Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether we need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our own social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again depends on what exactly we want to achieve. > > > > 3.      Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed to publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking site. > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > 4.      According to review, current voting and comments in favor of facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above mentioned item No.3 only. OK. My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using FB group as experimental. There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an option. However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at Nairobi, before making any consensus call. > > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or publishing facebook close group. Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus. I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for the experimentation. But I may be wrong ;-) izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the best way to participate remotely, and benefit from local discussions at the same time. Hope to see you there. http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/hubs-instructions-2011 http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011 AND... with the remote moderators on all workshops, this will not be remote observation, but remote participation, if you want it to be... See you online? Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 7 September 2011 12:15, shaila mistry wrote: > Hi All > I am still trying to attend in person. Failing that I will definitely > attend remotely . Can I get a list of hubs so at least I have some company. > Thank you for all your good work > regards > Shaila > > *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !* > *..................... the renaissance of composure ! > * > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Deirdre Williams > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; ""Julián Casasbuenas G."" < > julian at colnodo.apc.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF > > Wish I could be there in the flesh, but, technology permitting, I'm hoping > to attend virtually from Saint Lucia. > Deirdre > > On 7 September 2011 10:00, "Julián Casasbuenas G." > wrote: > > > I'll attend remotely from a Remote Hub setup in Bogotá, Colombia, > > Best, > > -- > > Julian Casasbuenas G. > Director Colnodo > Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75, Bogota, Colombia > Tel: 57-1-2324246, Cel. 57-315-3339099 Fax: 57-1-3380264 > www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo > Miembro de la Asociacion para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- > www.apc.org > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 13:29:02 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:29:02 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> <4E677914.9060603@colnodo.apc.org> <1315413940.90113.YahooMailNeo@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ginger, On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > Hi Shaila and everybody: > The list of hubs is here: > > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/list-of-remote-hubs-2011 > > If you cannot find a hub near you, check out the hub instructions, and see > if you would like to form a hub in your area! It's the best way to > participate remotely, and benefit from local discussions at the same time. > Hope to see you there. > > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/hubs-instructions-2011 > > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011 > > AND... with the remote moderators on all workshops, this will not be remote > observation, but remote participation, if you want it to be... > Just to be clear this thread is about an IGC meeting, not the main IGF. I think some folk are expecting remote participation for the IGC meeting. Will there be RP for the IGC, or just for the IGF? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 13:37:48 2011 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 14:37:48 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: <1315414498.76771.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> <001901cc6d5e$74c717e0$5e5547a0$@yahoo.com> <1315414498.76771.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think substantive discussions should continue to take place in IGC list, as always. Facebook should be a space to showcase our activities and engage with new people. A platform for outreach efforts. Best Marília On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:54 PM, shaila mistry wrote: > Hi Jeremy and Izumi and everyone > I have no objection to using FB for education and exposure to the work of > IGF. However, perhaps we need to use a different platform, maybe a group on > skype or google or even a closed group on FB so that there can be more > comfortable debate amongst ourselves. Much of what we say is is within the > context of our own involvement with IGF and within past history and > relationships with one another. Sometimes statements made in haste within > this context may be misunderstood by the wider community. Also we all like > the right to be forgotten. I don't think FB will let us do that ! Like all > of you I use FB extensively and know some of what it does with our info :) > cheers > Shaila > > *The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !* > *..................... the renaissance of composure ! > * > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Imran Ahmed Shah > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Izumi AIZU' > *Cc:* cveraq at gmail.com; 'Carlos A. Afonso' ; 'Norbert > Bollow' ; imran at igfpak.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:02 AM > > *Subject:* RE: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Dear Izumi Aizu, > Thank you for your prompt reply. I have no objection on the FB group as on > experimentation or to share the information originated by the coordinators. > However, requested to review before publicizing the work or to open a > serious discussion on the FB group. You may continue your work with full > powers. > > I just addressed the concern about the provisioning and dependencies for > the > member in order to participate in the discussion on the FB group. > > Thanking you and Best > > Imran Ahmad Shah > -----Original Message----- > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On > Behalf > Of Izumi AIZU > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 04:55 PM > To: ias_pk at yahoo.com > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; cveraq at gmail.com; Carlos A. Afonso; Norbert > Bollow; imran at igfpak.org > Subject: Re: [governance] IGC on Facebook? > > Without the picture, I will respond to the points Imran raised. > > 2011/9/7 Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > > While I was reading the thread, discussion and the option you have > selected, I feel it necessary to highlight the other angle (dark side). > > > > > > > > When we create a group on facebook, we go through the following option > regarding features and types of groups whereas the Closed Group option is > one of them. Closed Group: anyone can see the group discussion but only > members can see the wall, discussion board and photos. > > > > I think as a Closed Group, only the members can see the posts. Others can > see who are in it, but nothing more. Which might be a problem. > > > > > As you have decided to start with the “Closed Group” of facebook, my > concern are as follows. > > I have not "decided" to start with "Closed Group" on Facebook formally. I > created it as an experimental page, yes, but not a substantive one. > > > > > 1. Well, once the group is created, the discussion of the IGC-CS > Members may be viewable for the public but in order to give some comments > or > to participate in the discussion, IGC-CS Members has to sign up the > Facebook > and join this closed group (with the admin’s approval i.e. the > coordinators’ > approval). > > You can examine how this closed group works by trying to see it already > there, as experimental purpose only. If you have not joined, you will not > be > able to see the content of the group. > And I have not made this group approved only by the admin. Any member can > invite and add any other friends. > > > > 2. Now my point is this that every IGC-CS Member has to sign up the > Facebook, and for this purpose we must need a full consensus to modify the > charter that the IGC-CS Members may also have to become the member of the > facebook group to participate in the discussion. And for this consensus, it > will be necessary to provide the awareness of the side effect of the > facebook type social network websites by mentioning their terms and > conditions that may have conflict in privacy and data integrity. Most > probably some or many of the IGC Member do not like to signup facebook > network or at least through their native or primary email address to > protect > their data, contact and/or other information. > > ONLY if we agree to make the Facebook page as a kind of formal place for > dialogue among IGC members, then yes, every CG IGC member has to sign up > for > Facebook. And that will require consensus of our members. I think whether > we > need to modify the Charter or not depends on how we propose and define the > use of this group. My intention has been not to make this FB page as formal > body of CS IGC, but rather a tool for outreach. > > And, if our members do not like this idea, and instead like to start our > own > social network or any other tool, I am completely open for it. But it again > depends on what exactly we want to achieve. > > > > > > > > 3. Otherwise, if the coordinators and/or any of the IGC-CS Member > like to enhance the projection of the IGC activities, they may be allowed > to > publish final versions of related materials, reports and/or activities (but > not the raw discussion), on any other public blog/forum/social networking > site. > > > > Yes, this is closer to what I am thinking. > > > 4. According to review, current voting and comments in favor of > facebook are agreed on putting the IGC Activities or progress information > sharing for the millions of the facebook user. And that relates to above > mentioned item No.3 only. > > OK. > > My suggestion remains that within agreed framework, I like to start using > FB > group as experimental. > There is no way to make it "secret". Either "open" or "closed" could be an > option. > However, I like to continue the discussion here online, as well as there at > Nairobi, before making any consensus call. > > > > > > > I hope that your you will review my points thoroughly before opening or > publishing facebook close group. > > Sorry, in a way, I have opened a closed group already, but it is just > experimenting the functions as I am not familiar with the use of FB. If you > all really feel not comfortable even with this "experimentation", please > comment so so that I may shut it down until we reach consensus. > > I think "seeing is believing" and at this stage there is little risk for > the > experimentation. > But I may be wrong ;-) > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 13:56:52 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> <4E677914.9060603@colnodo.apc.org> <1315413940.90113.YahooMailNeo@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1315418212.64013.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi McTim and Ginger Do you have the contact info for the hub in Washington DC . Is there a hub on the West Coast and are any others in this region interested. I have checked on the website but do not see contact info. Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: McTim To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ginger Paque Cc: shaila mistry Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF Hi Ginger, On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: Hi Shaila and everybody: >The list of hubs is here: >http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/list-of-remote-hubs-2011 >  >If you cannot find a hub near you, check out the hub instructions, and see if you would like to form a hub in your area! It's the best way to participate remotely, and benefit from local discussions at the same time. Hope to see you there. >http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/hubs-instructions-2011 >  >http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011 >  >AND... with the remote moderators on all workshops, this will not be remote observation, but remote participation, if you want it to be... Just to be clear this thread is about an IGC meeting, not the main IGF. I think some folk are expecting remote participation for the IGC meeting.  Will there be RP for the IGC, or just for the IGF? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 14:29:34 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:59:34 -0430 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> <4E677914.9060603@colnodo.apc.org> <1315413940.90113.YahooMailNeo@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi McTim, Thanks for clarifying... yes, I was indeed mistaken. The links I posted were for the IGF, not the IGC meeting the day before.. It seems like we should be able to set something up, if it has not been done so yet. I can bring my laptop to moderate, if we have an Internet connection, and set up a mechanism. Jeremy, what did you have in mind? Please let me know if I can help in any way. Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 7 September 2011 12:59, McTim wrote: > Hi Ginger, > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Hi Shaila and everybody: >> The list of hubs is here: >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/list-of-remote-hubs-2011 >> >> If you cannot find a hub near you, check out the hub instructions, and see >> if you would like to form a hub in your area! It's the best way to >> participate remotely, and benefit from local discussions at the same time. >> Hope to see you there. >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/hubs-instructions-2011 >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011 >> >> AND... with the remote moderators on all workshops, this will not be >> remote observation, but remote participation, if you want it to be... >> > > Just to be clear this thread is about an IGC meeting, not the main IGF. > > I think some folk are expecting remote participation for the IGC meeting. > Will there be RP for the IGC, or just for the IGF? > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > preparations are moving along well. > I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder groups > that the online registration ends on 9 September. > Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional > queuing . > > The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches to > the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the MAG to > nominate a speaker to represent civil society. > We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end of > the week. > > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > igf_members mailing list > igf_members at intgovforum.org > http://mail.intgovforum.org/**mailman/listinfo/igf_members_** > intgovforum.org > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -- Devon Blake Special Projects Director Earthwise Solutions Limited 29 Dominica Drive Kgn 5 ,Phone: Office 876-968-4534, Mobile, 876-589-6369 To be kind, To be helpful, To network *Earthwise ... For Life!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Wed Sep 7 14:32:08 2011 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 11:32:08 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <4E67B8A8.6070000@eff.org> I second it. On 9/7/11 11:30 AM, Devon Blake wrote: > I nominate Jeremy Malcolm > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jeanette Hofmann > wrote: > > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > > jeanette > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 > From: Chengetai Masango > > To: igf Forum > > > Dear All, > > I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good > summer and those in the south the winter was not too cold. > > We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The > preparations are moving along well. > I would be grateful if you could all remind your various > stakeholder groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. > Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail > additional queuing . > > The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final > touches to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would > like to ask the MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. > We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by > the end of the week. > > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > > > > _______________________________________________ > igf_members mailing list > igf_members at intgovforum.org > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Devon Blake > Special Projects Director > Earthwise Solutions Limited > 29 Dominica Drive > Kgn 5 > ,Phone: Office 876-968-4534, Mobile, 876-589-6369 > > To be kind, To be helpful, To network > */Earthwise ... 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In-Reply-To: <4E6790CD.6030005@rkey.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610723642-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1315346384.53104.YahooMailNeo@web161911.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <612221881-1315346611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-610918866-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry><1315349095.26513.YahooMailNeo@web161912.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2074254519-1315350241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322742374-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <4E6790CD.6030005@rkey.com> Message-ID: <6BE3292B-DDAE-4F27-937A-891A23A3CACF@post.harvard.edu> In my view, this informed perspective is useful - and appreciated. Particularly, I appreciate that someone - here - has spoken up to note that falsified identities fly in the face of responsible participation. However, as to apps that may automatically carry the list discussion to Facebook, then republish comments back to the list: That effectively forks the discussion space. That of course would be most seriously disruptive to the discussion. David On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Craig Simon wrote: > As someone who's done some Facebook app development, I'd suggest > that there might be a technical solution that routes around the > various problems and reservations being raised here. > > FYI, the The IGC exists as a closed group with about 6 members, and > the Internet Governance Forum has about 2100 "likes" but doesn't see > a great deal of activity. > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/CS.IGC/ > http://www.facebook.com/IntGovForum?ref=ts > > My understanding is that some within the IGC would like to use > Facebook in ways that can leverage all the viral goodness that > Facebook may offer. That is, people who post and comment on a Page > or Group wall can generally count on having that content pushed out > onto many personal newsfeeds where it can easily attract new > particpants. > > The evident problem is that non-Facebook users wouldn't be able to > see that content at all. Moreover, even Facebook members may miss it > as things fly by. > > Moreover, some folks simply don't want to be on Facebook... period. > That's a perfectly reasonable position. Others may be considering > violating FB's terms of service by creating a fake persona for that > purpose only. I'd advise against that, since it can get confusing, > and the account would always be at high risk of termination. > > In my own online reading habits, I tend to be far more diligent > about following my various subscriptions in filtered lists via my > email client than I am about following groups on Facebook. So I > believe that moving this list's content to Facebook would degrade my > ability to keep up with conversations. I expect others would have > the same concern. > > Nevertheless, there's no denying that, if prominence is what you > want, a stronger presence on Facebook is a good way to pursue it. > > I believe there may be (or soon will be) facebook apps that > facilitate automatic publication of email list digests to a Facebook > wall, and the simultaneous republication of wall comments back to > the list. I've looked briefly, and I recommend that folks here who > are advocating a pro-Facebook strategy keep their eyes open for that > kind of a tool. > > Craig Simon ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Sep 7 15:09:58 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 20:09:58 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: In message , at 08:55:31 on Wed, 7 Sep 2011, "Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" writes >And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, >etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC >members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open >Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? All good questions for someone setting a social media strategy for the IGC. Who is tasked with that? -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 15:26:06 2011 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:26:06 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC on Facebook? In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello all, On another note, this discussion, or variants of same, seems to return year after year in different guises. I do find the general "reluctance" of the IGC list to seek to expand beyond its core membership base ("noise???") to be quite mystifying, especially given its mandate to, if not represent, certainly provide a forum for, the views of Civil Society in the areas surrounding IG. *The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a forum > for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of civil society > contributions in Internet governance processes. The caucus intends to > provide an open and effective forum for civil society to share opinion, > policy options and expertise on Internet governance issues, and to provide a > mechanism for coordination of advocacy to enhance the utilization and > influence of Civil Society (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes. > * I, for one, am all for expanding the communication channels by which the IGC seeks to effect its Mission and associated objectives, and using that opportunity to direct the "noise" to a more focussed and ultimately engaging experience facilitated by IGC "branded" tools. And, at the risk of playing firestarter, +1 for a real names policy in the IGC social toolkit as well. Best wishes, Tracy On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > I have been wondering about noise as well. > Communication seems to me to work more efficiently, in terms of "these are > the issues", as information emanating from a known and/or trusted > individual. Rather than one large "IGC" campaign, individual initiatives by > IGC members, who use Facebook and other such services, to spread information > about the issues of Internet Governance might have more real effect. And > this would also serve to break the language difficulties to a great extent. > But one never knows how things will work until the experiment is complete - > so all power to Izumi for experimenting. > Deirdre > > On 7 September 2011 09:46, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 14:55, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google < >> tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Still not sure why Jeremy's suggestion is not acceptable. >>> >>> Agree with Jacqueline, Siva and David at the same time. >>> >>> And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, >>> etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC >>> members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open >>> Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? >>> >> - - - >> >> My hunch is that would trigger much more noise than signal. Then who has >> enough spare time to debunk the load of misconceptions ? >> Good luck. >> - - - >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears that Syria does not want a repeat of Egypt. There are some interesting developments happening in Syria: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/09/20119785531287269.html Is the cyber army a civillian term for CERT? -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <692456091-1315314280-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1600780852-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <1572592586-1315314421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-318906668-@b2.c2.bise6.blackberry> <008a01cc6d47$6f577550$4e065ff0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: No one, from this quarter, in this thread, has said anything against reaching out or spreading the word (or indeed said anything - at all - on the subject). Indeed - indeed - over long years, the call, other threads, has been to make the IGC appropriately inclusive, not centered on a few who post most of the time. That is central to the success of something that might, one day, be reasonably representative of at least one slice of civil society. Rather, the (whole) topic in this thread - from here - is about the quality of the discussion space the IGC creates. A forked discussion space certainly would degrade what is already a challenge to conduct, around the world, and suitably for many different cultures. Outreach is separate from quality of discussion space. Ultimately, one day, a wider constituency could bring front and center the sort of problem sometimes discussed re global governance, about how to facilitate exchange when a group grows really large. But for IGC that lies in the future, if ever. As to 'noise,' Louis pretty clearly points to the real problem of doing outreach well, rather than failing to have a well-thought out program. Outreach is indeed important. But not at the expense of degrading the discussion space in the first place. It is key, I suggest, not to conflate the two. David On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote: > Hello all, > > On another note, this discussion, or variants of same, seems to > return year after year in different guises. > > I do find the general "reluctance" of the IGC list to seek to expand > beyond its core membership base ("noise???") to be quite mystifying, > especially given its mandate to, if not represent, certainly provide > a forum for, the views of Civil Society in the areas surrounding IG. > > The mission of the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is to provide a > forum for discussion, advocacy, action, and for representation of > civil society contributions in Internet governance processes. The > caucus intends to provide an open and effective forum for civil > society to share opinion, policy options and expertise on Internet > governance issues, and to provide a mechanism for coordination of > advocacy to enhance the utilization and influence of Civil Society > (CS) and the IGC in relevant policy processes. > > I, for one, am all for expanding the communication channels by which > the IGC seeks to effect its Mission and associated objectives, and > using that opportunity to direct the "noise" to a more focussed and > ultimately engaging experience facilitated by IGC "branded" tools. > > And, at the risk of playing firestarter, +1 for a real names policy > in the IGC social toolkit as well. > > Best wishes, > > Tracy > > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > I have been wondering about noise as well. > Communication seems to me to work more efficiently, in terms of > "these are the issues", as information emanating from a known and/or > trusted individual. Rather than one large "IGC" campaign, individual > initiatives by IGC members, who use Facebook and other such > services, to spread information about the issues of Internet > Governance might have more real effect. And this would also serve to > break the language difficulties to a great extent. > But one never knows how things will work until the experiment is > complete - so all power to Izumi for experimenting. > Deirdre > > On 7 September 2011 09:46, Louis Pouzin (well) > wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 14:55, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google > wrote: > Still not sure why Jeremy's suggestion is not acceptable. > > Agree with Jacqueline, Siva and David at the same time. > > And why not use not only FB, but G+, LinkedIn, Orkut, YouTube, Quora, > etc etc not to discuss or "fully engage" but to EDUCATE non-IGC > members about the IGC at a high level and POINT to the IGC Open > Discussion Tools/Social Network/Thingamajig? > - - - > > My hunch is that would trigger much more noise than signal. Then who > has enough spare time to debunk the load of misconceptions ? > Good luck. > - - - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like to nominate Grace Githaiga, a human rights advocate, researcher, and member of KictaNet (Kenyan ICT Africa Network) who is an APC member in Kenya. Grace is on this list. Here is more information about her. http://www.foeassociates.com/associates/amy-west/grace-githaiga/ Cheers Anriette On 07/09/11 18:36, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > > jeanette > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 > From: Chengetai Masango > To: igf Forum > > Dear All, > > I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer > and those in the south the winter was not too cold. > > We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The > preparations are moving along well. > I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder > groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. > Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional > queuing . > > The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches > to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the > MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. > We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end > of the week. > > > Best regards > > Chengetai > > > > > _______________________________________________ > igf_members mailing list > igf_members at intgovforum.org > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 16:27:04 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:27:04 +1200 Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> Message-ID: I would like to suggest that *both* Jeremy and Grace do a tag team approach to speaking for civil society, they can share the points and it would also express the spirit of collaboration and partnership. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Jeanette and all > > I think we should propose a speaker from Kenyan civil society. > > I would like to nominate Grace Githaiga, a human rights advocate, > researcher, and member of KictaNet (Kenyan ICT Africa Network) who is an > APC member in Kenya. > > Grace is on this list. > > Here is more information about her. > http://www.foeassociates.com/associates/amy-west/grace-githaiga/ > > Cheers > > Anriette > > > > > On 07/09/11 18:36, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > > > > jeanette > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 > > From: Chengetai Masango > > To: igf Forum > > > > Dear All, > > > > I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer > > and those in the south the winter was not too cold. > > > > We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The > > preparations are moving along well. > > I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder > > groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. > > Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional > > queuing . > > > > The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches > > to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the > > MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. > > We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end > > of the week. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Chengetai > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > igf_members mailing list > > igf_members at intgovforum.org > > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Wed Sep 7 16:35:44 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:35:44 +0200 Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> Message-ID: <91B545EC-CB3B-4336-BDC8-0394938B331A@christopherwilkinson.eu> +1, CW On 07 Sep 2011, at 22:21, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Jeanette and all > > I think we should propose a speaker from Kenyan civil society. > > I would like to nominate Grace Githaiga, a human rights advocate, > researcher, and member of KictaNet (Kenyan ICT Africa Network) who > is an > APC member in Kenya. > > Grace is on this list. > > Here is more information about her. > http://www.foeassociates.com/associates/amy-west/grace-githaiga/ > > Cheers > > Anriette > > > > > On 07/09/11 18:36, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. >> >> jeanette >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker >> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 >> From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> Dear All, >> >> I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer >> and those in the south the winter was not too cold. >> >> We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The >> preparations are moving along well. >> I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder >> groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. >> Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail >> additional >> queuing . >> >> The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final >> touches >> to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to >> ask the >> MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. >> We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the >> end >> of the week. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> igf_members mailing list >> igf_members at intgovforum.org >> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng Wed Sep 7 16:57:40 2011 From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 21:57:40 +0100 Subject: [governance] FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND NEW MEDIA - Human Rights Committee In-Reply-To: References: <4E37E76E.9090804@ciroap.org> <1312398790.51994.YahooMailNeo@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E3A0B08.7030907@ciroap.org> <007f01cc528b$99b15810$cd140830$@planet.tn> <1315250015.30442.YahooMailNeo@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Dam, Yea I support you to the fullest, criticism "considered to be insulting", checkmate should "including the army", very very important. The biggest question yet unanswered is, 'why the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and not FOOD FOR ALL? Regards to ALL. Sea On 5 Sep 2011 20:14, "Dam Philippe" wrote: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/FreedomExpressionandnewmedia.aspx Freedom of expression and new media When the UN Human Rights Committee last clarified the rights to freedom of opinion and expression, use of the internet was limited and the effect it would have on the mainstream media was still the subject of speculation. More than two decades on, the Committee seeks to give practical application to freedom of opinion and expression in the radically altered media landscape which has the internet and mobile communications centre-stage. Describing “a global network to exchange ideas and opinions that does not necessarily rely on the traditional mass media”, the Committee says “States parties should take all necessary steps to foster the independence of these new media and to ensure access”. Any restrictions that might be applied to websites, blogs or any other internet-based networks or support systems should be limited, the Committee says, to content only and should not be applied to entire sites and systems. In the context of permissible restrictions generally, the Committee recommends extreme caution and provides many examples of situations where the urge to restrict freedom of expression should be resisted. There are no circumstances which justify limiting freedom of opinion, the Committee notes in its revised General Comment. Lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, lawyers, human rights defenders, journalists and others will turn to the General Comment for guidance on the scope and practical applications of the rights to freedom of opinion and expression. In the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which sets out the right to freedom of expression, only two situations are described which justify its limitation: respect of the rights or reputations of others and protection of national security or of public order, or of public health or morals. The Covenant also prohibits advocacy of religious hatred. Allowing for those very limited exceptions, the Committee says blasphemy laws and prohibitions on displays of disrespect for a religion or other belief systems are a contravention of the right to freedom of expression, as are laws which favour one religion over another, or religious believers over non-believers, or which prevent or punish criticism of religious leaders or commentary on religious doctrine. The Committee notes that the Convention places a particularly high value on uninhibited debate concerning political figures and public institutions. Laws which prohibit or restrict criticism of important people and institutions are cause for concern the Committee says. “The mere fact that forms of expression are considered to be insulting to a public figure is not sufficient to justify the imposition of penalties… all public figures, including those exercising the highest political authority such as heads of state and government, are legitimately subject to criticism and political opposition”. The same should apply to institutions such as the army. Committee member, Michael O’Flaherty says, “The main point of the general comment and of the Committee adopting it is that freedom of expression is at the heart of the entire human rights system.” “That means,” he says, “we have to put up with a lot of speech that we don’t like. 1 September 2011 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It provides great room for team representation. Warm regards, Sea On 7 Sep 2011 21:36, "CW Mail" wrote: +1, CW On 07 Sep 2011, at 22:21, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Jeanette and all > > I think we sho... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! However, I spoke at last year's closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jeremy, what did you have in mind? Please let me know if I can help in any way. Thanks Ginger. There is an integrated Jabber, IRC and web-based chat room available here: http://igf-online.net/chat.php Or if people prefer Skype, or Google+ Hangouts, we can use those. Let's hear what the remote participants would like to use. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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From: Jeremy Malcolm Reply-To: , Jeremy Malcolm Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:17:47 +0800 To: Subject: Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! However, I spoke at last year's closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:05:58 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:05:58 +1200 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another thought is, if in the opening, Jeremy and Grace team up for the opening and Izumi can close it as co-coordinator. This way we would have gender represented, continents represented to add a bit of spice :) On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > My guess is that in time we will be asked to nominate speakers for other > sessions eg including closing – I think it is fine for Alice for Opening, > but towards closing it would be good to have Jeremy or someone closer to the > action sum our our responses in the light of developments during the > meeting. > > Sorry I won’t be there! > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *Jeremy Malcolm > *Reply-To: *, Jeremy Malcolm > > *Date: *Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:17:47 +0800 > *To: * > *Subject: *Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society > speaker > > > On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > > > Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! However, I spoke at last year's > closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to > consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > *Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > * > Read our email confidentiality notice < > http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality> . Don't print > this email unless necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Wed Sep 7 23:10:36 2011 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF ) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:10:36 +0200 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Salanieta, I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting to > hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:10:36 +0200 From: admin at alkasir.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Syria Hello Salanieta, I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 23:17:51 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:17:51 +1200 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Walid, (1) Are they alright and are their lives threatened and is the threat (torture or imprisonment or death or any/all)? (2) How can we help? (3) How can the world help? (4)Is there a link where we can read about the history of the conflicts in Syria, so that we can get up to speed? My prayers are with them in this time. Sala On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Walid AL-SAQAF < admin at alkasir.com> wrote: > Hello Salanieta, > > I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- > because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them > overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists > and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet > remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports > of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from > Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. > > Sincerely, > > Walid > > ----------------- > > Walid Al-Saqaf > Founder & Administrator > alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship > https://alkasir.com > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting >> to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. >> >> -- >> Sala >> >> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 23:20:00 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 03:20:00 +0000 Subject: [governance] Syria/ Apologies In-Reply-To: References: ,, Message-ID: Good People My apologies. That response was meant for Walid and not for the list but...it just happened. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 03:17:41 +0000 Subject: RE: [governance] Syria Hi Walid Remember me? We met during a PhD workshop last year. Are you still in Sweden? Kind Regards Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 05:10:36 +0200 From: admin at alkasir.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Syria Hello Salanieta, I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Thu Sep 8 00:31:48 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:31:48 +0800 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E684534.8000704@ciroap.org> On 08/09/11 08:30, Ian Peter wrote: > My guess is that in time we will be asked to nominate speakers for > other sessions eg including closing -- I think it is fine for Alice > for Opening, Do you mean Grace? > but towards closing it would be good to have Jeremy or someone closer > to the action sum our our responses in the light of developments > during the meeting. I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the Secretariat, to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers in the opening, and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus can then make an informed decision. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . 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Best, Katitza On 9/7/11 9:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 08/09/11 08:30, Ian Peter wrote: >> My guess is that in time we will be asked to nominate speakers for >> other sessions eg including closing -- I think it is fine for Alice >> for Opening, > > Do you mean Grace? > >> but towards closing it would be good to have Jeremy or someone closer >> to the action sum our our responses in the light of developments >> during the meeting. > > I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the > Secretariat, to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers > in the opening, and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus > can then make an informed decision. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer > groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only > independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over > 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful > international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > _www.consumersinternational.org _ > _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ > > Read our email confidentiality notice > . 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Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Katitza Rodriguez Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 21:33:50 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Katitza Rodriguez Subject: Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker Jeremie, You should inquire for the closing session too. ! Best, Katitza On 9/7/11 9:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 08/09/11 08:30, Ian Peter wrote: >> My guess is that in time we will be asked to nominate speakers for >> other sessions eg including closing -- I think it is fine for Alice >> for Opening, > > Do you mean Grace? > >> but towards closing it would be good to have Jeremy or someone closer >> to the action sum our our responses in the light of developments >> during the meeting. > > I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the > Secretariat, to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers > in the opening, and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus > can then make an informed decision. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer > groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only > independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over > 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful > international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > _www.consumersinternational.org _ > _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ > > Read our email confidentiality notice > . Don't > print this email unless necessary. > -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 00:42:24 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:42:24 +1200 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E6845AE.6080509@eff.org> References: <4E684534.8000704@ciroap.org> <4E6845AE.6080509@eff.org> Message-ID: And throw in the "it reflects the spirit of collaboration and multistakeholderism" that civil society believes in. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > Jeremie, > > You should inquire for the closing session too. ! > > Best, Katitza > > > On 9/7/11 9:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > On 08/09/11 08:30, Ian Peter wrote: > > My guess is that in time we will be asked to nominate speakers for other > sessions eg including closing – I think it is fine for Alice for Opening, > > > Do you mean Grace? > > but towards closing it would be good to have Jeremy or someone closer to > the action sum our our responses in the light of developments during the > meeting. > > > I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the Secretariat, > to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers in the opening, > and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus can then make an > informed decision. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > > -- > Katitza Rodriguez > International Rights Director > Electronic Frontier Foundationkatitza at eff.orgkatitza@datos-personales.org (personal email) > > Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Thu Sep 8 03:29:14 2011 From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:29:14 +0100 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <006501cc6df9$05c71840$115548c0$@planet.tn> Thank you very much Jeremy. You read my mind. I think it’s really fair. While I do like you to be speaking in the opening session, I believe that we need to avoid appointing the same people every year. We should appoint preferably a woman from the south, but the quality remains the main criterion. ------------------------------------------------------ TIjani BEN JEMAA Vice Chair of the CIC World Federation of Engineering Organizations Phone : + 216 70 825 231 Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Fax : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------ De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Jeremy Malcolm Envoyé : jeudi 8 septembre 2011 01:18 À : governance at lists.cpsr.org Objet : Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! However, I spoke at last year's closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Thu Sep 8 04:02:32 2011 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 17:02:32 +0900 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <006501cc6df9$05c71840$115548c0$@planet.tn> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <006501cc6df9$05c71840$115548c0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: Grace is a very experienced researcher, and very nice (hello Grace :-)). She's one of the leading volunteers behind KICTANet, a multistakeholder network that's extremely influential in the Kenyan ICT sector (and for anyone going to the IGF well worth checking out to get a sense of what's happening in Kenya, there's a summary of mailing list discussions on their website The "Bitange for President' thread's pretty good.) I guess there will be 3-5 minutes speaking time depending on the number of speakers. Whoever's proposed, and would be best to include other CS groups in this discussion, Internet Rights and Principles for example, then provide the person with a list of points to include. Adam >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CC6E01.6792AC30" >Content-Language: fr > >Thank you very much Jeremy. You read my mind. I think it¹s really fair. >While I do like you to be speaking in the >opening session, I believe that we need to avoid >appointing the same people every year. > >We should appoint preferably a woman from the >south, but the quality remains the main >criterion. > >------------------------------------------------------ >TIjani BEN JEMAA >Vice Chair of the CIC >World Federation of Engineering Organizations >Phone : + 216 70 825 231 >Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >Fax : + 216 70 825 231 >------------------------------------------------------ > >De : governance at lists.cpsr.org >[mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de >Jeremy Malcolm >Envoyé : jeudi 8 septembre 2011 01:18 >À : governance at lists.cpsr.org >Objet : Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker > >On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > >Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > >Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! > However, I spoke at last year's closing >ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some >other nominations to consider (self or >otherwise) would also be valuable. > >-- >Dr Jeremy Malcolm >Project Coordinator >Consumers International >Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, >TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia >Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >Consumers International (CI) is the world >federation of consumer groups that, working >together with its members, serves as the only >independent and authoritative global voice for >consumers. With over 220 member organisations in >115 countries, we are building a powerful >international movement to help protect and >empower consumers everywhere. >www.consumersinternational.org >Twitter @ConsumersInt > >Read >our email >confidentiality notice. Don't print this email >unless necessary. > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng Thu Sep 8 04:13:55 2011 From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 09:13:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting at Nairobi IGF In-Reply-To: <8DC3581D-363D-4CA4-9F13-229F9220B5FC@ciroap.org> References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DAF7A6@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> <4E677914.9060603@colnodo.apc.org> <1315413940.90113.YahooMailNeo@web161904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8DC3581D-363D-4CA4-9F13-229F9220B5FC@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Dear All, Greetings from Calabar, Nigeria. We will be participating remotely from Calabar,Hub Nigeria. I greatly buying in the use of the "*IGF Community chat platform"*. Gives a lot of uniqueness. Warm regards Sonigitu Ekpe *Project Support Officer[Agriculturist]* Cross River Farm Credit Scheme Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources 3 Barracks Road P.M.B. 1119 Calabar - Cross River State, Nigeria. Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 Skype: sonigitu.asibong.ekpe.aji *"LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" * On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 08/09/2011, at 2:29 AM, Ginger Paque wrote: > > Hi McTim, > Thanks for clarifying... yes, I was indeed mistaken. The links I posted > were for the IGF, not the IGC meeting the day before.. > > It seems like we should be able to set something up, if it has not been > done so yet. I can bring my laptop to moderate, if we have an Internet > connection, and set up a mechanism. Jeremy, what did you have in mind? > Please let me know if I can help in any way. > > > Thanks Ginger. There is an integrated Jabber, IRC and web-based chat room > available here: > > http://igf-online.net/chat.php > > Or if people prefer Skype, or Google+ Hangouts, we can use those. Let's > hear what the remote participants would like to use. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Thu Sep 8 07:25:45 2011 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:25:45 +0100 Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> Message-ID: <4E68A639.90906@wzb.eu> Hi Anriette, I agree with the approach and trust your recommendation :-) jeanette On 07.09.2011 21:21, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear Jeanette and all > > I think we should propose a speaker from Kenyan civil society. > > I would like to nominate Grace Githaiga, a human rights advocate, > researcher, and member of KictaNet (Kenyan ICT Africa Network) who is an > APC member in Kenya. > > Grace is on this list. > > Here is more information about her. > http://www.foeassociates.com/associates/amy-west/grace-githaiga/ > > Cheers > > Anriette > > > > > On 07/09/11 18:36, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. >> >> jeanette >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker >> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 >> From: Chengetai Masango >> To: igf Forum >> >> Dear All, >> >> I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer >> and those in the south the winter was not too cold. >> >> We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The >> preparations are moving along well. >> I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder >> groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. >> Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional >> queuing . >> >> The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches >> to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the >> MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. >> We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end >> of the week. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Chengetai >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> igf_members mailing list >> igf_members at intgovforum.org >> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Thu Sep 8 07:15:03 2011 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com) References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> Message-ID: <20110908111503.4F23D15C376@quill.bollow.ch> Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > I would like to suggest that *both* Jeremy and Grace do a tag team approach > to speaking for civil society, they can share the points and it would also > express the spirit of collaboration and partnership. +1 Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Thu Sep 8 07:44:03 2011 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:44:03 +0100 Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E68A639.90906@wzb.eu> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> <4E68A639.90906@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <8159CAC1-103B-4062-A393-BD70B10BAA1D@uzh.ch> Hi Me too. Bill On Sep 8, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi Anriette, > > I agree with the approach and trust your recommendation :-) > > jeanette > > On 07.09.2011 21:21, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: >> Dear Jeanette and all >> >> I think we should propose a speaker from Kenyan civil society. >> >> I would like to nominate Grace Githaiga, a human rights advocate, >> researcher, and member of KictaNet (Kenyan ICT Africa Network) who is an >> APC member in Kenya. >> >> Grace is on this list. >> >> Here is more information about her. >> http://www.foeassociates.com/associates/amy-west/grace-githaiga/ >> >> Cheers >> >> Anriette >> >> >> >> >> On 07/09/11 18:36, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. >>> >>> jeanette >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker >>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 17:03:17 +0200 >>> From: Chengetai Masango >>> To: igf Forum >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I hope those of you in the northern hemisphere have had a good summer >>> and those in the south the winter was not too cold. >>> >>> We are fast approaching the start of the IGF Nairobi meeting. The >>> preparations are moving along well. >>> I would be grateful if you could all remind your various stakeholder >>> groups that the online registration ends on 9 September. >>> Onsite registration will still be possible but it will entail additional >>> queuing . >>> >>> The Host country and the IGF Secretariat are putting the final touches >>> to the opening session speakers list. Alice and I would like to ask the >>> MAG to nominate a speaker to represent civil society. >>> We would be appreciative If you could send us your selection by the end >>> of the week. >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Chengetai >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> igf_members mailing list >>> igf_members at intgovforum.org >>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 08:16:01 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:46:01 -0430 Subject: [governance] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <20110908111503.4F23D15C376@quill.bollow.ch> References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <4E67D253.8050300@apc.org> <20110908111503.4F23D15C376@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: This is an excellent approach. Grace gives the gender balance missing in our co-coordinator team, and adds the regional perspective, as an important expert in her own right, chosen for her values and work, not to fulfill a quota. Highlighing the IGC as a 'body' by asking co-coordinators to speak when appropriate and possible, gives coherence and force to the IGC. I support this fully. Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 8 September 2011 06:45, Norbert Bollow wrote: > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: > > I would like to suggest that *both* Jeremy and Grace do a tag team > approach > > to speaking for civil society, they can share the points and it would > also > > express the spirit of collaboration and partnership. > > +1 > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Thu Sep 8 09:35:55 2011 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF ) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:35:55 +0200 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Salanieta, I sent the questions to an activist in Syria and as you can tell from his answers below, the situation is indeed quite dire. I certainly hope there could be more ways to help them in more than just providing them with tools to bypass censorship to be able to publish graphics and material to expose the awful things happening on the ground there. *Answers from an anonymous Syrian activist:* (1)There's a threat on every and each person who try to protest or use the internet for anything related to protesting or revolution in Syria. The threat may be torture , imprisonment and death in a very bad way. (2)They can help by publishing videos and pictures about the Murders and the Torture that is caused by as they call them "Assad's Shabeha" Or the Syrian Army Etc.. (3)I'm not so sure how the world can help Syria, as you know the government has forbid all journalist that can get the news of the Syrian Revolution, That's why people started to use the mobile camera for live shots and videos of the things that happening in here. (4)Lately so many websites has been released just for telling news of "Syrian Revolution" , you can check this link for some news about the Revolution : شبكة شام الإخباريةin Arabic. You can also check Alkasir Database in the Political News Websites Category (See below note) , Lots of URLs has been reported blocked cause it has a relation to the Revolution and its news. Note: You can open the map of reportedly blocked URLs by alkasir users worldwide and zoom to Syria here: http://alkasir.com/map, or more specifically, you can check those links: - For news and opinion websites: https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=FREEDOM - Human rights websites: https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=HUMAN_RIGHTS, - Social networking websites: https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=SOC_NETWORKING Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Walid, > > (1) Are they alright and are their lives threatened and is the threat > (torture or imprisonment or death or any/all)? > (2) How can we help? > (3) How can the world help? > (4)Is there a link where we can read about the history of the conflicts in > Syria, so that we can get up to speed? > > My prayers are with them in this time. > > Sala > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Walid AL-SAQAF < > admin at alkasir.com> wrote: > >> Hello Salanieta, >> >> I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- >> because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them >> overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists >> and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet >> remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports >> of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from >> Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Walid >> >> ----------------- >> >> Walid Al-Saqaf >> Founder & Administrator >> alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship >> https://alkasir.com >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting >>> to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. >>> >>> -- >>> Sala >>> >>> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From shailam at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 13:09:45 2011 From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: References: <4F49A8EA-9B3D-4A42-A393-3264158013DB@unog.ch> <4E679D74.5050101@wzb.eu> <006501cc6df9$05c71840$115548c0$@planet.tn> Message-ID: <1315501785.58229.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi All I like the idea of collaboration with host country and inclusion of gender for these speaking spots. . But like the rest of you I also feel that quality , substance and content is the main criteria for selecting a speaker or a 'duo" to represent civil society. regards  Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Adam Peake To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:02 AM Subject: RE: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker Grace is a very experienced researcher, and very nice (hello Grace :-)).  She's one of the leading volunteers behind KICTANet, a multistakeholder network that's extremely influential in the Kenyan ICT sector (and for anyone going to the IGF well worth checking out to get a sense of what's happening in Kenya, there's a summary of mailing list discussions on their website The "Bitange for President' thread's pretty good.) I guess there will be 3-5 minutes speaking time depending on the number of speakers.  Whoever's proposed, and would be best to include other CS groups in this discussion, Internet Rights and Principles for example, then provide the person with a list of points to include. Adam > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >     boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CC6E01.6792AC30" > Content-Language: fr > > Thank you very much Jeremy. You read my mind. I think it¹s really fair. > While I do like you to be speaking in the opening session, I believe that we need to avoid appointing the same people every year. > > We should appoint preferably a woman from the south, but the quality remains the main criterion. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > TIjani BEN JEMAA > Vice Chair of the CIC > World Federation of Engineering Organizations > Phone : + 216 70 825 231 > Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 > Fax    : + 216 70 825 231 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Jeremy Malcolm > Envoyé : jeudi 8 septembre 2011 01:18 > À : governance at lists.cpsr.org > Objet : Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker > > On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > > > Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. > > Many thanks for the nomination and the +1!  However, I spoke at last year's closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we have only 3-4 minutes, it might be quite tricky to convey or message and spirit in such a short time let alone in half the time !!!! shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Norbert Bollow To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [governance] opening session civil society speaker Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > I would like to suggest that *both* Jeremy and Grace do a tag team approach > to speaking for civil society, they can share the points and it would also > express the spirit of collaboration and partnership. +1 Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 15:52:52 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:52:52 +1200 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is excellent Walid. The material is very helpful. Could you also please find out whether the rule of law exists? [I am assuming it does not] I will go through the links and thank you for taking the time to get this information and thank the Syrian activists on the ground. I will also direct this to the IBA Human Rights Institute to get some traction. Best, Sala On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF < admin at alkasir.com> wrote: > Hello Salanieta, > > I sent the questions to an activist in Syria and as you can tell from his > answers below, the situation is indeed quite dire. I certainly hope there > could be more ways to help them in more than just providing them with tools > to bypass censorship to be able to publish graphics and material to expose > the awful things happening on the ground there. > > *Answers from an anonymous Syrian activist:* > (1)There's a threat on every and each person who try to protest or use the > internet for anything related to protesting or revolution in Syria. > The threat may be torture , imprisonment and death in a very bad way. > > (2)They can help by publishing videos and pictures about the Murders and > the Torture that is caused by as they call them "Assad's Shabeha" Or the > Syrian Army Etc.. > > (3)I'm not so sure how the world can help Syria, as you know the government > has forbid all journalist that can get the news of the Syrian Revolution, > That's why people started to use the mobile camera for live shots and videos > of the things that happening in here. > > (4)Lately so many websites has been released just for telling news of > "Syrian Revolution" , you can check this link for some news about the > Revolution : شبكة شام الإخباريةin Arabic. > You can also check Alkasir Database in the Political News Websites > Category (See below note) , Lots of URLs has been reported blocked cause it > has a relation to the Revolution and its news. > > Note: You can open the map of reportedly blocked URLs by alkasir users > worldwide and zoom to Syria here: http://alkasir.com/map, or more > specifically, you can check those links: > > - For news and opinion websites: > https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=FREEDOM > - Human rights websites: > https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=HUMAN_RIGHTS, > - Social networking websites: > https://alkasir.com/doc/map/map.php?genre=SOC_NETWORKING > > > Sincerely, > > Walid > > ----------------- > > Walid Al-Saqaf > Founder & Administrator > alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship > https://alkasir.com > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello Walid, >> >> (1) Are they alright and are their lives threatened and is the threat >> (torture or imprisonment or death or any/all)? >> (2) How can we help? >> (3) How can the world help? >> (4)Is there a link where we can read about the history of the conflicts in >> Syria, so that we can get up to speed? >> >> My prayers are with them in this time. >> >> Sala >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Walid AL-SAQAF < >> admin at alkasir.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello Salanieta, >>> >>> I'm not in Syria but I have lots of people in touch with me -anonymously- >>> because they are using a circumvention software I developed to help them >>> overcome web censorship. The situation is extremely dangerous for activists >>> and protestors yet they are pushing forward. It appears that the Internet >>> remains open though fear has been growing particularly as there were reports >>> of phishing sites set up by regime elements to trap some facebook users from >>> Syria. If you have some specific questions, I'd be happy to ask them. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walid >>> >>> ----------------- >>> >>> Walid Al-Saqaf >>> Founder & Administrator >>> alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship >>> https://alkasir.com >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting >>>> to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sala >> >> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> >> > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I support Izuimi to be the CS representative in the closing ceremony. regards, Qsai On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Adam Peake wrote: > Grace is a very experienced researcher, and very nice (hello Grace :-)). She's one of the leading volunteers behind KICTANet, a multistakeholder network that's extremely influential in the Kenyan ICT sector (and for anyone going to the IGF well worth checking out to get a sense of what's happening in Kenya, there's a summary of mailing list discussions on their website The "Bitange for President' thread's pretty good.) > > I guess there will be 3-5 minutes speaking time depending on the number of speakers. Whoever's proposed, and would be best to include other CS groups in this discussion, Internet Rights and Principles for example, then provide the person with a list of points to include. > > Adam > > > > >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CC6E01.6792AC30" >> Content-Language: fr >> >> Thank you very much Jeremy. You read my mind. I think it¹s really fair. >> While I do like you to be speaking in the opening session, I believe that we need to avoid appointing the same people every year. >> >> We should appoint preferably a woman from the south, but the quality remains the main criterion. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> TIjani BEN JEMAA >> Vice Chair of the CIC >> World Federation of Engineering Organizations >> Phone : + 216 70 825 231 >> Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 >> Fax : + 216 70 825 231 >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Jeremy Malcolm >> Envoyé : jeudi 8 septembre 2011 01:18 >> À : governance at lists.cpsr.org >> Objet : Re: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker >> >> On 08/09/2011, at 12:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> >> >> Hi, we need to nominate a speaker for the opening session. see below. >> >> Many thanks for the nomination and the +1! However, I spoke at last year's closing ceremony, and am not a woman, so I think some other nominations to consider (self or otherwise) would also be valuable. >> >> -- >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From qshatti at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:44:10 2011 From: qshatti at gmail.com (Qusai AlShatti) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:44:10 +0300 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All: The situation in Syria for all Internet activists is grief and dangerous. They are currently the only source of information about what is going on in Syria (beside government sources). Actually they are the only source of information even for world media after the restrictions imposed on journalists. They are doing a wonderful job on providing details of events and publishing photos and you tube clips which are all published and broadcasted by world media. Although they are acting with courage and without fear, they are performing their activities under severe circumstances and life threatening situation. Having someone from them talking about the situation in Syria may be too risky for them and will endanger their safety. We should avoid that although we are keen to hear from them. An alternative is to seek a Syrian activists who is outside of Syria and in contact with Internet activists inside Syria to tell us about the situation. Regards, Qusai On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? 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I think it is important to show CS views in the opening session and support Grace to both represent host country/continent and gender. For closing, the substance will be more important than the person, perhaps. I think Jeremy and I and any others can make a team there during IGF to prepare and discuss what we are going to say at closing session, of course with the list discussion here. Then either Jeremy or myself or whoever else best fit can read that. izumi 2011/9/9 Qusai AlShatti : > I support Adam's recommendation to have Grace as a CS representative at the > opening ceremony. I support Izuimi to be the CS representative in the > closing ceremony. > regards, > > Qsai > > On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Adam Peake wrote: >> Grace is a very experienced researcher, and very nice (hello Grace :-)). >>  She's one of the leading volunteers behind KICTANet, a multistakeholder >> network that's extremely influential in the Kenyan ICT sector (and for >> anyone going to the IGF well worth checking out to get a sense of what's >> happening in Kenya, there's a summary of mailing list discussions on their >> website The "Bitange for President' thread's >> pretty good.) >> >> I guess there will be 3-5 minutes speaking time depending on the number of >> speakers.  Whoever's proposed, and would be best to include other CS groups >> in this discussion, Internet Rights and Principles for example, then provide >> the person with a list of points to include. >> >> Adam >> >> ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 00:19:50 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:19:50 +1200 Subject: [governance] Social Networks and Rugby Message-ID: Dear All, Speaking of the effect that Social Networks and how it has affected country's responses to them such as the case in Syria etc. It is also interesting that the All Blacks (New Zealand) team have been banned from Tweeting. :) see: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5155515/World-Cup-Twitter-ban-for-All-Blacks For rugby lovers, NZ plays Tonga at 2030 GMT +12, see: http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/ -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From admin at alkasir.com Fri Sep 9 04:12:33 2011 From: admin at alkasir.com (Walid AL-SAQAF ) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:12:33 +0200 Subject: [governance] Syria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi again, I second Qusai's view on that and I certainly believe that direct communication with them is quite risky for them unless they take extra precautionary measures (Technical Tech guide useful here). As for your last question Salanieta on the rule of law in Syria, this is the answer: Well I don't think the rule of law even exists in here or even used to > exist. > before the revolution, bribery used to change anything in the law , it > could release a murderer and set him free , what can be worse than that ? > nowadays I don't think that anyone related to the government or the > government it self follows anything related to the law by just looking at > the way of treating it's people own people. > When The President Assad started what he call "The Reform Campaign" he > canceled a law that's called "Emergency Law" and he made a new law witch > took Emergency Law's place and he called it "Anti-Terrorism Act" قانون > مكافحة الإرهاب. > That's clearly makes each and everyone who participate in protesting or > joining the revolution a "Terrorist". > On Syria news channel after they have been forced to admit that the people > are protesting in the country, whenever people protest they call them > Terrorists or Armed Terrorists On TV. > After the President canceled "The Emergency Law" it just became more worse > , They started to Arrest like 100 or more at once without any warning in > different areas in Syria. > I think its so obvious to know that the rule of law doesn't exist in here. > If you want some explanation about "The Emergency Law" you can find in here > : شرح قانون الطوارئ في سوريا > This is another link for قانون مكافحة الإرهاب > I hope that is useful. Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Qusai AlShatti wrote: > Dear All: > The situation in Syria for all Internet activists is grief and dangerous. > They are currently the only source of information about what is going on in > Syria (beside government sources). Actually they are > the only source of information even for world media after the restrictions > imposed on journalists. > > They are doing a wonderful job on providing details of events and > publishing photos and you tube clips which are all published and broadcasted > by world media. Although they are acting with courage and without fear, they > are performing their activities under severe circumstances and life > threatening situation. Having someone from them talking about the situation > in Syria may be too risky for them and will endanger their safety. We should > avoid that although we are keen to hear from them. > > An alternative is to seek a Syrian activists who is outside of Syria and in > contact with Internet activists inside Syria to tell us about the situation. > > Regards, > > Qusai > > > On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? 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For the closing, your approach of preparing the statement collectively is pretty good. I think you Izumi should present it since Jeremy spoke last year in the closing. ------------------------------------------------------ TIjani BEN JEMAA Vice Chair of the CIC World Federation of Engineering Organizations Phone : + 216 70 825 231 Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Fax : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------ -----Message d'origine----- De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : vendredi 9 septembre 2011 02:18 À : governance at lists.cpsr.org; Qusai AlShatti Objet : Re: [governance] Re: [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker Thank you Qusai for the suggestion. I think it is important to show CS views in the opening session and support Grace to both represent host country/continent and gender. For closing, the substance will be more important than the person, perhaps. I think Jeremy and I and any others can make a team there during IGF to prepare and discuss what we are going to say at closing session, of course with the list discussion here. Then either Jeremy or myself or whoever else best fit can read that. izumi 2011/9/9 Qusai AlShatti : > I support Adam's recommendation to have Grace as a CS representative > at the opening ceremony. I support Izuimi to be the CS representative > in the closing ceremony. > regards, > > Qsai > > On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Adam Peake wrote: >> Grace is a very experienced researcher, and very nice (hello Grace :-)). >>  She's one of the leading volunteers behind KICTANet, a >> multistakeholder network that's extremely influential in the Kenyan >> ICT sector (and for anyone going to the IGF well worth checking out >> to get a sense of what's happening in Kenya, there's a summary of >> mailing list discussions on their website >> The "Bitange for President' thread's >> pretty good.) >> >> I guess there will be 3-5 minutes speaking time depending on the >> number of speakers.  Whoever's proposed, and would be best to include >> other CS groups in this discussion, Internet Rights and Principles >> for example, then provide the person with a list of points to include. >> >> Adam >> >> ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ----- Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 10.0.1390 / Base de données virale: 1518/3785 - Date: 24/07/2011 La Base de données des virus a expiré. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Sep 9 04:42:26 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:42:26 +0800 Subject: [governance] [igf_members] opening session civil society speaker In-Reply-To: <4E684534.8000704@ciroap.org> References: <4E684534.8000704@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4E69D172.5030501@ciroap.org> On 08/09/11 12:31, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the > Secretariat, to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers > in the opening, and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus > can then make an informed decision. Grace prefers to speak at the opening, and whilst she would also have been happy with a "tag team" approach, Chengatai has just confirmed to me that we can only have one speaker at the opening. So it seems to me that we have a rough consensus that Grace will speak, but she has indicated that she is happy for us to provide input into what she should say. So we'll set up a separate thread for that. For the closing, Izumi and I will discuss what to say and who will say it, reacting to developments during the course of the meeting, and endeavour to post our notes back to the list ahead of the closing ceremony. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Walid ----------------- Walid Al-Saqaf Founder & Administrator alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship https://alkasir.com On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > ** > On 08/09/11 12:31, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > I will discuss with Grace off-list, and also discuss with the Secretariat, > to see what our options are (eg. can we have two speakers in the opening, > and when would we each prefer to speak). The caucus can then make an > informed decision. > > > Grace prefers to speak at the opening, and whilst she would also have been > happy with a "tag team" approach, Chengatai has just confirmed to me that we > can only have one speaker at the opening. So it seems to me that we have a > rough consensus that Grace will speak, but she has indicated that she is > happy for us to provide input into what she should say. So we'll set up a > separate thread for that. > > For the closing, Izumi and I will discuss what to say and who will say it, > reacting to developments during the course of the meeting, and endeavour to > post our notes back to the list ahead of the closing ceremony. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Sep 9 05:09:23 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:09:23 +0800 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement Message-ID: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we should cover: * During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating the previous five, its evolution should continue. * The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. * Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure if we want to point fingers, here.] * This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development processes of those institutions. * In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. * The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's accessibility, including through online means. * The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3762 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From ias_pk at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 06:19:38 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Dear Jeremy and all Members, With reference to the proposal for the "IGF improvements", I would also suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: 1. The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, revision and expansion of the memberships is required. 2. During past meetings and consolation process regarding the governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities and privilege for Civil Societies. 3. To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to obtain support. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmad Shah From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we should cover: * During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating the previous five, its evolution should continue. * The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. * Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure if we want to point fingers, here.] * This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development processes of those institutions. * In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. * The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's accessibility, including through online means. * The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . 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Kenya has not embassy in many countries... Regards, Brice ABBA Ingénieur en Sciences InformatiquesAdmin Système SAFRAN MORPHOResp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT mob: (+225)-08-607-228 fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > From: nb at bollow.ch > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > > David Allen wrote: > > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > > helped put it / them over the top. > > Yes. > > Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > > Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > > There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. > > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead > > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > > Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal > "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Fri Sep 9 08:30:42 2011 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:30:42 +0900 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> ,<7582 2E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> ,<20110906235318.61 2D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: Brice, hi. Perhaps this link on Visas useful. . If eligible for a visa on arrival it will cost US$50 and the website says cash only, US$ only. MAG might like to ask about contact numbers in case of emergency etc. Adam At 12:09 PM +0000 9/9/11, Brice Abba wrote: >Hi ALL >Can we have some contact to call in case of >problem according to the visa at the Nairobi >airport. > Kenya has not embassy in many countries... > >Regards, > > >Brice ABBA >Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques >Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO >Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT >mob: (+225)-08-607-228 >fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > > > From: nb at bollow.ch >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? >> >> David Allen wrote: >> > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that >> > helped put it / them over the top. >> >> Yes. >> >> Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what >> a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. >> >> Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. >> >> There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn >> out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the >> secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't >> working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network >> of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever >> architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. >> >> > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy >> > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / >> > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead >> > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... >> >> Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but >> at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc >> that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves >> to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to >> join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns >> and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal >> "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From briceabba at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 08:51:23 2011 From: briceabba at hotmail.com (Brice Abba) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:51:23 +0000 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: References: ,<20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch>,<4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca>,,,<7582,2E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu>,<93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>,,<20110906235318.61,2D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> , Message-ID: thanks Adam,Yes, contact numbers in case of emergency etc... before our venue badge.I know that on the other side of the venue badge, will have some contact for this purpose.But who are we supposed to call in case of emergency before this badge ?i'm supposed to be in Nairobi the 25th so.... Brice ABBA Ingénieur en Sciences InformatiquesAdmin Système SAFRAN MORPHOResp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT mob: (+225)-08-607-228 fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:30:42 +0900 > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp > Subject: Re: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi > > Brice, hi. > > Perhaps this link on Visas useful. > . > > If eligible for a visa on arrival it will cost > US$50 and the website says cash only, US$ only. > > MAG might like to ask about contact numbers in case of emergency etc. > > Adam > > > > At 12:09 PM +0000 9/9/11, Brice Abba wrote: > >Hi ALL > >Can we have some contact to call in case of > >problem according to the visa at the Nairobi > >airport. > > Kenya has not embassy in many countries... > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Brice ABBA > >Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques > >Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO > >Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT > >mob: (+225)-08-607-228 > >fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > > > > > From: nb at bollow.ch > >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > >> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > >> > >> David Allen wrote: > >> > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > >> > helped put it / them over the top. > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >> Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > >> a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > >> > >> Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > >> > >> There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > >> out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > >> secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > >> working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > >> of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > >> architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. > >> > >> > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > >> > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > >> > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead > >> > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > >> > >> Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > >> at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > >> that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > >> to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > >> join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > >> and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal > >> "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Norbert > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > >To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > >For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From qshatti at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 13:01:17 2011 From: qshatti at gmail.com (Qusai Al-Shatti) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:01:17 +0300 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <20110906235318.612D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> Message-ID: <5FD8FCAF-12D6-4452-82E8-FFDE28042B70@gmail.com> Dear all: I would strongly recommend that all of our colleagues would acquire the entry visa to Kenya from Kenyan Embassies and Consulates prior to the arrival to Nairobi. I was told that all of them were instructed to facilitate the visa process for IGF participants. Myself I acquired the Visa and the embassy staff were so helpful and friendly. The Visa application is only one page, they require a copy of the passport and two photos. It is two weeks to Nairobi and this is a plenty of time for a Visa. Looking forward to see you all there, Qusai AlShatti On Sep 9, 2011, at 15:09, Brice Abba wrote: > Hi ALL > Can we have some contact to call in case of problem according to the visa at the Nairobi airport. > Kenya has not embassy in many countries... > > Regards, > > Brice ABBA > Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques > Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO > Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT > mob: (+225)-08-607-228 > fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > > > From: nb at bollow.ch > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > > > > David Allen wrote: > > > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > > > helped put it / them over the top. > > > > Yes. > > > > Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > > a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > > > > Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > > > > There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > > out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > > secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > > working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > > of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > > architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. > > > > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > > > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > > > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead > > > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > > > > Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > > at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > > that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > > to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > > join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > > and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal > > "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From rballeste at stu.edu Fri Sep 9 13:39:19 2011 From: rballeste at stu.edu (Balleste, Roy) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:39:19 -0400 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: <5FD8FCAF-12D6-4452-82E8-FFDE28042B70@gmail.com> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <20110906235318.612D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <5FD8FCAF-12D6-4452-82E8-FFDE28042B70@gmail.com> Message-ID: Along those lines, the Kenyan embassy is the US is processing visa applications online. Some materials needed to be mailed into the embassy. I followed their instructions and the process was easy and fast. I imagine this is the same at the other worldwide locations. Roy Balleste Law Library Director Associate Professor of Law St. Thomas University 16401 NW 37th Avenue Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA 1-305-623-2341 From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Qusai Al-Shatti Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:01 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Brice Abba Subject: Re: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi Dear all: I would strongly recommend that all of our colleagues would acquire the entry visa to Kenya from Kenyan Embassies and Consulates prior to the arrival to Nairobi. I was told that all of them were instructed to facilitate the visa process for IGF participants. Myself I acquired the Visa and the embassy staff were so helpful and friendly. The Visa application is only one page, they require a copy of the passport and two photos. It is two weeks to Nairobi and this is a plenty of time for a Visa. Looking forward to see you all there, Qusai AlShatti On Sep 9, 2011, at 15:09, Brice Abba wrote: Hi ALL Can we have some contact to call in case of problem according to the visa at the Nairobi airport. Kenya has not embassy in many countries... Regards, ________________________________ Brice ABBA Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT mob: (+225)-08-607-228 fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > From: nb at bollow.ch > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > > David Allen wrote: > > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > > helped put it / them over the top. > > Yes. > > Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > > Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > > There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to discover. > > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a policy > > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. Instead > > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > > Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC internal > "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > > Greetings, > Norbert > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kpham26 at ucla.edu Fri Sep 9 13:41:26 2011 From: kpham26 at ucla.edu (Kim Pham) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:41:26 +0100 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <20110906235318.612D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <5FD8FCAF-12D6-4452-82E8-FFDE28042B70@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E6A4FC6.7020902@ucla.edu> Hi Roy, What was the turnaround time on the visas? Thanks, Kim On 9/9/11 6:39 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote: > > Along those lines, the Kenyan embassy is the US is processing visa > applications online. Some materials needed to be mailed into the > embassy. I followed their instructions and the process was easy and > fast. I imagine this is the same at the other worldwide locations. > > > > *Roy Balleste* > > *Law Library Director* > > *Associate Professor of Law* > > *St. Thomas University* > > *16401 NW 37th Avenue* > > *Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA* > > *1-305-623-2341* > > > > *From:*governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] > *On Behalf Of *Qusai Al-Shatti > *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 1:01 PM > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Brice Abba > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi > > > > Dear all: > > I would strongly recommend that all of our colleagues would acquire > the entry visa to Kenya from Kenyan Embassies and Consulates prior to > the arrival to Nairobi. I was told that all of them were instructed > to facilitate the visa process for IGF participants. > > > > Myself I acquired the Visa and the embassy staff were so helpful and > friendly. The Visa application is only one page, they require a copy > of the passport and two photos. It is two weeks to Nairobi and this is > a plenty of time for a Visa. > > > > Looking forward to see you all there, > > > > Qusai AlShatti > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 15:09, Brice Abba > wrote: > > Hi ALL > Can we have some contact to call in case of problem according to > the visa at the Nairobi airport. > > Kenya has not embassy in many countries... > > > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > */Brice ABBA/* > /Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques > Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO > Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT/ > mob: (+225)-08-607-228 > fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > > > From: nb at bollow.ch > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > > > > David Allen > wrote: > > > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > > > helped put it / them over the top. > > > > Yes. > > > > Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > > a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > > > > Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > > > > There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > > out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > > secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > > working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > > of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > > architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to > discover. > > > > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a > policy > > > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > > > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. > Instead > > > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > > > > Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > > at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > > that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > > to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > > join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > > and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC > internal > > "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- "This is water." - David Foster Wallace http://moreintelligentlife.com/story/david-foster-wallace-in-his-own-words ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 15:30:06 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:30:06 +1200 Subject: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi In-Reply-To: <4E6A4FC6.7020902@ucla.edu> References: <20110906071928.1E4C615C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <4E661892.1020803@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497002B@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410650B@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <20110906235318.612D015C28E@quill.bollow.ch> <5FD8FCAF-12D6-4452-82E8-FFDE28042B70@gmail.com> <4E6A4FC6.7020902@ucla.edu> Message-ID: If my country is listed as one not requiring a visa, does this mean I still have to pay the US50 on arrival? Fiji On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Kim Pham wrote: > Hi Roy, > > What was the turnaround time on the visas? > > Thanks, > > Kim > > On 9/9/11 6:39 PM, Balleste, Roy wrote: > > > > Along those lines, the Kenyan embassy is the US is processing visa > > applications online. Some materials needed to be mailed into the > > embassy. I followed their instructions and the process was easy and > > fast. I imagine this is the same at the other worldwide locations. > > > > > > > > *Roy Balleste* > > > > *Law Library Director* > > > > *Associate Professor of Law* > > > > *St. Thomas University* > > > > *16401 NW 37th Avenue* > > > > *Miami Gardens, FL 33054 USA* > > > > *1-305-623-2341* > > > > > > > > *From:*governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] > > *On Behalf Of *Qusai Al-Shatti > > *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 1:01 PM > > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Brice Abba > > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Contact IGF Nairobi > > > > > > > > Dear all: > > > > I would strongly recommend that all of our colleagues would acquire > > the entry visa to Kenya from Kenyan Embassies and Consulates prior to > > the arrival to Nairobi. I was told that all of them were instructed > > to facilitate the visa process for IGF participants. > > > > > > > > Myself I acquired the Visa and the embassy staff were so helpful and > > friendly. The Visa application is only one page, they require a copy > > of the passport and two photos. It is two weeks to Nairobi and this is > > a plenty of time for a Visa. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to see you all there, > > > > > > > > Qusai AlShatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 15:09, Brice Abba > > wrote: > > > > Hi ALL > > Can we have some contact to call in case of problem according to > > the visa at the Nairobi airport. > > > > Kenya has not embassy in many countries... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > */Brice ABBA/* > > /Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques > > Admin Système SAFRAN MORPHO > > Resp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT/ > > mob: (+225)-08-607-228 > > fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 > > > > > From: nb at bollow.ch > > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:18 +0200 > > > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IGC on Facebook? > > > > > > David Allen > > wrote: > > > > Happily, the Arab spring had some new tools, however flawed, that > > > > helped put it / them over the top. > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Obviously the Arab spring activists didn't worry much about what > > > a "social networking" / marketing company would do with their data. > > > > > > Whether such lack of concern is justified is a different question. > > > > > > There's a lot of scenarios where such lack of concern could turn > > > out to be very harmful. For example, I'd be very surprised if the > > > secret services of all remaining oppressive governments aren't > > > working very hard on gaining access e.g. to the internal network > > > of Facebook, and on developing strategies for exploiting whatever > > > architectural or other flaws of Facebook they may be able to > > discover. > > > > > > > Equally happily, we can do better than flawed tools. And as a > > policy > > > > group, re global 'Net policy, hopefully we will, by advocating / > > > > innovating tools that are even more common - and of quality. > > Instead > > > > of selling ourselves to marketeers ... > > > > > > Strongly agreed. We may not succeed in avoiding every flaw, but > > > at least we can work towards creating communication tools etc > > > that avoid the worst flaws, and we can avoid "selling ourselves > > > to marketeers" in the sense of effectively requiring people to > > > join Facebook (or any other service with similar privacy concerns > > > and/or lock-in effects) in order to fully participate in IGC > > internal > > > "who meets whom when and where while in Nairobi" coordination. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Norbert > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > > "This is water." - David Foster Wallace > > http://moreintelligentlife.com/story/david-foster-wallace-in-his-own-words > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sala On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Walid AL-SAQAF < admin at alkasir.com> wrote: > Hi again, > > I second Qusai's view on that and I certainly believe that direct > communication with them is quite risky for them unless they take extra > precautionary measures (Technical Tech guide useful here). > > As for your last question Salanieta on the rule of law in Syria, this is > the answer: > > Well I don't think the rule of law even exists in here or even used to >> exist. >> before the revolution, bribery used to change anything in the law , it >> could release a murderer and set him free , what can be worse than that ? >> nowadays I don't think that anyone related to the government or the >> government it self follows anything related to the law by just looking at >> the way of treating it's people own people. >> When The President Assad started what he call "The Reform Campaign" he >> canceled a law that's called "Emergency Law" and he made a new law witch >> took Emergency Law's place and he called it "Anti-Terrorism Act" قانون >> مكافحة الإرهاب. >> That's clearly makes each and everyone who participate in protesting or >> joining the revolution a "Terrorist". >> On Syria news channel after they have been forced to admit that the people >> are protesting in the country, whenever people protest they call them >> Terrorists or Armed Terrorists On TV. >> After the President canceled "The Emergency Law" it just became more worse >> , They started to Arrest like 100 or more at once without any warning in >> different areas in Syria. >> I think its so obvious to know that the rule of law doesn't exist in here. >> If you want some explanation about "The Emergency Law" you can find in >> here : شرح قانون الطوارئ في سوريا >> This is another link for قانون مكافحة الإرهاب >> > I hope that is useful. > > Sincerely, > > Walid > > ----------------- > > Walid Al-Saqaf > Founder & Administrator > alkasir for mapping and circumventing cyber censorship > https://alkasir.com > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Qusai AlShatti wrote: > >> Dear All: >> The situation in Syria for all Internet activists is grief and dangerous. >> They are currently the only source of information about what is going on in >> Syria (beside government sources). Actually they are >> the only source of information even for world media after the restrictions >> imposed on journalists. >> >> They are doing a wonderful job on providing details of events and >> publishing photos and you tube clips which are all published and broadcasted >> by world media. Although they are acting with courage and without fear, they >> are performing their activities under severe circumstances and life >> threatening situation. Having someone from them talking about the situation >> in Syria may be too risky for them and will endanger their safety. We should >> avoid that although we are keen to hear from them. >> >> An alternative is to seek a Syrian activists who is outside of Syria and >> in contact with Internet activists inside Syria to tell us about the >> situation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Qusai >> >> >> On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > Is there anyone on this list from Syria or Iran? It would be interesting >> to hear of the situation in Syria from your perspective. >> > >> > -- >> > Sala >> > >> > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> > >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best regards, Hempal Shrestha Bharatpur, Nepal On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Sonigitu Ekpe < sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> wrote: > Dear All, > > Greetings from Calabar, Nigeria. > > We will be participating remotely from Calabar,Hub Nigeria. > > I greatly buying in the use of the "*IGF Community chat platform"*. Gives > a lot of uniqueness. > > Warm regards > > Sonigitu Ekpe > *Project Support Officer[Agriculturist]* > Cross River Farm Credit Scheme > Ministry of Agriculture and Natural Resources > 3 Barracks Road P.M.B. 1119 > Calabar - Cross River State, Nigeria. > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > > Skype: sonigitu.asibong.ekpe.aji > > *"LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > >> On 08/09/2011, at 2:29 AM, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >> Hi McTim, >> Thanks for clarifying... yes, I was indeed mistaken. The links I posted >> were for the IGF, not the IGC meeting the day before.. >> >> It seems like we should be able to set something up, if it has not been >> done so yet. I can bring my laptop to moderate, if we have an Internet >> connection, and set up a mechanism. Jeremy, what did you have in mind? >> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >> >> >> Thanks Ginger. There is an integrated Jabber, IRC and web-based chat room >> available here: >> >> http://igf-online.net/chat.php >> >> Or if people prefer Skype, or Google+ Hangouts, we can use those. Let's >> hear what the remote participants would like to use. >> >> -- >> >> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator* >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> *www.consumersinternational.org* >> *Twitter @ConsumersInt * >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. >> Don't print this email unless necessary. >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please find attached the press release describing the project. All interested parties are welcome to join the initiative and the dissemination phase of the project. We are look forward in cooperating, Best regards, Yuliya Morenets (Ms.) TaC-Together against Cybercrime Representative 28, rue d'Ypres F-67000 Strasbourg Tel.: +33 3 69 73 14 60 Follow us on Facebook ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For the link to see development and scope of DJ, see: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/02.html To see more of the reform in Victoria: http ://www.doublejeopardyreform.org/ To access the State of Victoria's laws and reforms, see: http://www.vic.gov.au/law-justice/law-legislation/law-reform.html Is the reform justified? For those who would ask what the relevance is to Internet Governance - I would peg it under "cyber crimes" etc. -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Basically,ne has to watch out on a laptop screen for those who are seeking to provide comments remotely when the workshop is on, and intermittently drawing the attention of the workshop to these comments. Anyone volunteering to do so may pl contact me offline. And we need the volunteer's name asap to be forwarded to the IGF secretariat. Thanks, parminder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The remote moderator is an important person on this panel, as remote participation will allow views from around the world to be heard. You do not need to be a 'techie'. You don't need to be an expert on NN. You need common sense, and the ability to get around a computer. I am sure one of you not only are able to collaborate, but will very much enjoy the experience. It is a way to be very 'involved' in the issue, in a supporting role. I wish I could do it :) but I am busy at that time. Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 15 September 2011 00:29, parminder wrote: > ** > Hi All > > As you know one of the workshops that IGC is organising in Nairobi is on > exploring a possible framework for global net neutrality. We need someone to > volunteer as a remote participation moderator for the same. Basically,ne has > to watch out on a laptop screen for those who are seeking to provide > comments remotely when the workshop is on, and intermittently drawing the > attention of the workshop to these comments. Anyone volunteering to do so > may pl contact me offline. And we need the volunteer's name asap to be > forwarded to the IGF secretariat. Thanks, parminder > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andersj at elon.edu Thu Sep 15 10:50:05 2011 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:50:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] Input sought for IGF survey questions from Imagining the Internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, The Imagining the Internet project at Elon University will have a team of documentary journalists in Nairobi Sept. 26-30 at the Global IGF. Dr. Rich Landesberg of Elon will lead a video survey team that includes five young people. We are extremely thankful for your participation in our past surveys and we are looking forward to seeing you in Kenya. We are shaping up a question set right now and we'd like your input. I have included the questions below. You will note that some of our questions are repeats from previous years - this is required to get longitudinal data. Feel free to answer them in new ways if you have participated in the past - that's the point, to see how things evolve. Several of the questions are new. As always, we will be conducting our survey in our booth at the IGF Village and in the hallways of the conference and wherever we can find you. Thinking about the questions in advance helps you form your likely response into a tight, informative soundbite. Here's the link to the IGF-Vilnius survey, FYI: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/predictions/igf_2010/survey.xhtml If you have a good question you'd like us to consider adding or if you would like to suggest edits to the questions, please reply as soon as possible. The 2011 Global IGF questions, as proposed at this point: - Access is a primary goal of IGF. How will doubling the number of people online from 2 billion to 4 billion change the world? - With mobile connectivity many of us are living a life that is ³always on² or ³hyperconnected.² Some people even say the Internet is an extension of our brains and we are becoming cyborgs ­ human-computer beings. How does being connected online all the time change us as humans? - In 2015 will most people generally go directly to the World Wide Web to do their work, shopping, socializing and other online activities - as they have the past 20 years - OR will most people generally be using apps or social networks as their gateways for doing everything? Which will dominate most people¹s lives - the open Web or apps and social networks? - What responsibilities do technology innovators and designers and the organizations that produce our tools and access have to ethically serving the global public, and are they living up to them? - Will IGF survive and still be relevant in 2015? Explain. - What is your greatest hope for the future of the Internet? - What is your greatest fear or concern for the future of the Internet? - Describe the future of the Internet in one word. -- Janna Quitney Anderson Director of Imagining the Internet www.imaginingtheinternet.org Associate Professor of Communications Director of Internet Projects School of Communications Elon University andersj at elon.edu (336) 278-5733 (o) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From devonrb at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 13:47:52 2011 From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:47:52 +0000 Subject: [governance] Input sought for IGF survey questions fromImagining the Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51875944-1316108872-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-469569611-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry> How will the present crime, violence and terror affect the viability and integrity of the Internet? Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -----Original Message----- From: Janna Anderson Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:50:05 To: Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Janna Anderson Subject: Re: [governance] Input sought for IGF survey questions from Imagining the Internet Hi All, The Imagining the Internet project at Elon University will have a team of documentary journalists in Nairobi Sept. 26-30 at the Global IGF. Dr. Rich Landesberg of Elon will lead a video survey team that includes five young people. We are extremely thankful for your participation in our past surveys and we are looking forward to seeing you in Kenya. We are shaping up a question set right now and we'd like your input. I have included the questions below. You will note that some of our questions are repeats from previous years - this is required to get longitudinal data. Feel free to answer them in new ways if you have participated in the past - that's the point, to see how things evolve. Several of the questions are new. As always, we will be conducting our survey in our booth at the IGF Village and in the hallways of the conference and wherever we can find you. Thinking about the questions in advance helps you form your likely response into a tight, informative soundbite. Here's the link to the IGF-Vilnius survey, FYI: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/predictions/igf_2010/survey.xhtml If you have a good question you'd like us to consider adding or if you would like to suggest edits to the questions, please reply as soon as possible. The 2011 Global IGF questions, as proposed at this point: - Access is a primary goal of IGF. How will doubling the number of people online from 2 billion to 4 billion change the world? - With mobile connectivity many of us are living a life that is ³always on² or ³hyperconnected.² Some people even say the Internet is an extension of our brains and we are becoming cyborgs ­ human-computer beings. How does being connected online all the time change us as humans? - In 2015 will most people generally go directly to the World Wide Web to do their work, shopping, socializing and other online activities - as they have the past 20 years - OR will most people generally be using apps or social networks as their gateways for doing everything? Which will dominate most people¹s lives - the open Web or apps and social networks? - What responsibilities do technology innovators and designers and the organizations that produce our tools and access have to ethically serving the global public, and are they living up to them? - Will IGF survive and still be relevant in 2015? Explain. - What is your greatest hope for the future of the Internet? - What is your greatest fear or concern for the future of the Internet? - Describe the future of the Internet in one word. -- Janna Quitney Anderson Director of Imagining the Internet www.imaginingtheinternet.org Associate Professor of Communications Director of Internet Projects School of Communications Elon University andersj at elon.edu (336) 278-5733 (o) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 19:14:56 2011 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:14:56 -0300 Subject: [governance] Does your workshop have a remote moderator? Message-ID: Dear all, If you are organizing a workshop, please make sure that you have registered your remote moderator (person physically present at the workshop who will receive and forward questions from remote participants). Check if you have registered a remote moderator here: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/w2011/list-of-workshops-2011 If you are missing a moderator, you can register it here: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/rp-moderator-registration-2011 In case you have one or more remote panellists participating at your workshop, they are required to register their participation at the following URL: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/remote-participation-2011/remote-panellist-registration-2011 This registration will provide your remote panellist with all needed technical details for her/his successful remote panellist participation. Best wishes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time allows) or in Nairobi. Best wishes, Marília -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tight schedule and deadlines have > prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I > would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of > the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been > circulating on Twitter recently: > http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance > > I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if > time allows) or in Nairobi. > > Best wishes, > Marília > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly email me the following details: 1. Name as it appears on passport 2. Passport number 3 Nationality. We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. Rgds Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Sat Sep 17 14:22:00 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, the proposal would be very destructive. One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the UN General Assembly. This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal. The IBSA report says that "the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful guidelines" for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn't. WGIG couldn't agree on any of those models, that was the point of listing 4 of them. The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It will be "tasked to develop and establish international public policies." So it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all along: it is law, i.e. rules, not "policy" that is needed. Policy just means that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes whenever something happens that they don't like. Law on the other hand provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines and which also protects freedom. And here's my favorite. IBSA proposes to "integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, including global standards setting." So IBSA is not only proposing to take over regulation of all the world's internet service providers, hosting providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it proposes to "integrate and oversee" the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments outside the IBSA orbit. Milton L. Mueller Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: Hello everybody, I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time allows) or in Nairobi. Best wishes, Marília -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You will not be hearing any > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, > the proposal would be very destructive. I agree with Milton. > over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting > providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it > proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. and if IT for Change has it's way, ICANN monies would be funnelled to support this new Internet Overlord. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 15:34:35 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:34:35 +1200 Subject: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Thank you Grace. This is extremely kind and helpful of you. Warm Regards, Sala On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations > officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in > Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong > to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling > a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this > facilitation to kindly email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport > 2. Passport number > 3 Nationality. > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to > provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:34:35 +1200 Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com Thank you Grace. This is extremely kind and helpful of you. Warm Regards, Sala On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Colleagues Greetings. This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly email me the following details: 1. Name as it appears on passport 2. Passport number 3 Nationality. We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. Rgds Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ivarhartmann at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 16:56:13 2011 From: ivarhartmann at gmail.com (Ivar A. M. Hartmann) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:56:13 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Because I'm Brazilian and I'm fully aware of how government (both Executive and Legislative branches) deals with freedom of expression and telco regulation there, I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) decided to put an end to it. Best, Ivar On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:27, McTim wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any > > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and > > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, > > the proposal would be very destructive. > > I agree with Milton. > > > > > > over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting > > providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it > > proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, > too. > > and if IT for Change has it's way, ICANN monies would be funnelled to > support this new Internet Overlord. > > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 17:59:17 2011 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:59:17 +0100 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Hi Just in case anybody is wondering what IBSA is, it stands for India-Brasil-SouthAfrica, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Brazil-South_Africa_Dialogue_Forum(English) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3rum_de_Di%C3%A1logo_%C3%8Dndia-Brasil-%C3%81frica_do_Sul(Portuguese) Not to be confused with the better known BRIC - Brasil-Russia-India-China; or BRICS - Brasil-Russia-India-China-SouthAfrica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (English) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (Portuguese) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (English) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (Portuguese) Regards, great weekend Um abraço, bom fim de semana Rui 2011/9/17 Milton L Mueller > Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, > the proposal would be very destructive. **** > > ** ** > > One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting > forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it > does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for > multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true > because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club > of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it > will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the > UN General Assembly. **** > > ** ** > > This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire > process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a > forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal.** > ** > > ** ** > > The IBSA report says that “the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful > guidelines” for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange > statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and > most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals > explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is > trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the > WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn’t. WGIG couldn’t agree on any of those models, > that was the point of listing 4 of them.**** > > ** ** > > The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It > will be “tasked to develop and establish international public policies.” So > it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all > along: it is law, i.e. rules, not “policy” that is needed. Policy just means > that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes > whenever something happens that they don’t like. Law on the other hand > provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines > and which also protects freedom. **** > > ** ** > > And here’s my favorite. IBSA proposes to “integrate and oversee the bodies > responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, > including global standards setting.” So IBSA is not only proposing to take > over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting > providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it > proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. > No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. **** > > ** ** > > This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using > civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and > it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to > say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments > outside the IBSA orbit.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Milton L. Mueller**** > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies**** > > Internet Governance Project**** > > http://blog.internetgovernance.org **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: **** > > Hello everybody, > > I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global > Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning > of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the > discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a > blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital > policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: > > http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance > > I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time > allows) or in Nairobi. > > Best wishes, > Marília > > **** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 18:33:51 2011 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:33:51 +0100 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ivar I am not quite sure I agree with what you are saying. It is quite a vague hanging in the air statement. I especially disagree with what you say about about making jokes about politicians - I have watched Brazilian television for 10 years and the level to which they mock politicians would be enough o be jailed in two thirds of the countries of this world. I am saying Brazil is a beacon of freedom of expression. As for telco regulation, it is even a murky, shady affair in quite a few of the so-called first world, government-hands-off countries. And you living in the US, should well know what the FCC gets up to - granted, it has kept its stance on net neutrality, but otherwise I would not rate it any better than its Brazilian counterparts. Rui 2011/9/17 Ivar A. M. Hartmann > Because I'm Brazilian and I'm fully aware of how government (both Executive > and Legislative branches) deals with freedom of expression and telco > regulation there, I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov > representatives which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by > it in any way. > Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes about > politicians running for office during election periods. This was in force up > until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) decided to > put an end to it. > Best, > Ivar > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:27, McTim wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Milton L Mueller >> wrote: >> > Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any >> > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and >> > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly >> unlikely, >> > the proposal would be very destructive. >> >> I agree with Milton. >> >> >> >> >> > over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting >> > providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it >> > proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, >> too. >> >> and if IT for Change has it's way, ICANN monies would be funnelled to >> support this new Internet Overlord. >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Sat Sep 17 19:15:25 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:15:25 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E752A0D.9010409@cafonso.ca> While I wonder if I should delve my spoon into this complicated soup, here is the official IBAS/IBSA site URL: http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org/ A Southern Trilateral, how about that? :) frt rgds --c.a. On 09/17/2011 06:59 PM, Rui Correia wrote: > Hi > > Just in case anybody is wondering what IBSA is, it stands for > India-Brasil-SouthAfrica, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Brazil-South_Africa_Dialogue_Forum(English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3rum_de_Di%C3%A1logo_%C3%8Dndia-Brasil-%C3%81frica_do_Sul(Portuguese) > > Not to be confused with the better known BRIC - Brasil-Russia-India-China; > or > BRICS - Brasil-Russia-India-China-SouthAfrica > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (Portuguese) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (Portuguese) > > Regards, great weekend > Um abraço, bom fim de semana > > Rui > > 2011/9/17 Milton L Mueller > >> Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any >> applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and >> authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, >> the proposal would be very destructive. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting >> forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it >> does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for >> multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true >> because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club >> of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it >> will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the >> UN General Assembly. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire >> process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a >> forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal.** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> The IBSA report says that “the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful >> guidelines” for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange >> statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and >> most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals >> explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is >> trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the >> WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn’t. WGIG couldn’t agree on any of those models, >> that was the point of listing 4 of them.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It >> will be “tasked to develop and establish international public policies.” So >> it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all >> along: it is law, i.e. rules, not “policy” that is needed. Policy just means >> that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes >> whenever something happens that they don’t like. Law on the other hand >> provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines >> and which also protects freedom. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> And here’s my favorite. IBSA proposes to “integrate and oversee the bodies >> responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, >> including global standards setting.” So IBSA is not only proposing to take >> over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting >> providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it >> proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. >> No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using >> civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and >> it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to >> say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments >> outside the IBSA orbit.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Milton L. Mueller**** >> >> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies**** >> >> Internet Governance Project**** >> >> http://blog.internetgovernance.org **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: **** >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global >> Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning >> of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the >> discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a >> blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital >> policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: >> >> http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance >> >> I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time >> allows) or in Nairobi. >> >> Best wishes, >> Marília >> >> **** >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 20:51:56 2011 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:51:56 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann wrote: > I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives > which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. > Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes about > politicians running for office during election periods. This was in force up > until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) decided to > put an end to it. > In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and they too have "no joking" rules.* Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) To oppose all government involvement is not only completely anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going out of the frying pan and into the fire. *-- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. Box 1 Ishpeming, MI 49849 lehto.paul at gmail.com 906-204-4026 (cell) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 22:52:13 2011 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:52:13 +0100 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Paul, Ivar There NEVER was ANY law in Brazil that prohibited making fun of candidates. What there was, was a prohibition - in terms of Pagraph 2 of Article 45 of the Election Law - against manipulation, montage or other, of video clips or sound bites so as to degrade or humiliate candidates or political parties. Such a clause is (was) still a restriction on freedom of expression, but was by no means a prohibition on making fun of candidates. On the contrary, they were fair game with programmes such as Casseta Planeta, Jo Soares and many others taking the mickey out of them. I concur with Milton that this is a regrettable development and not to be applauded. And I was at WSIS throughout and saw that Brazil was at times/ often on the wrong side of the moral divide. And whether this document has Brazil's name on it or not, as Milton says, IBSA will put it to the UN General Assembly. As far as I know, Brazil has a historic protocol 'privilege' of being the first to speak, that is all - not to ram through proposals for a "global body of IG run by gov representatives which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way". It is a short-sighted proposal, a non-starter and we should concentrate on fighting it, not where it is coming from - play the ball, not the man. Rui 2011/9/18 Paul Lehto > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < > ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives >> which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. >> Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes >> about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in >> force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) >> decided to put an end to it. >> > > In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the > Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. > > But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and > they too have "no joking" rules.* > > Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of > "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In > every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are > enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance > that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will > be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector > joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy > changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** > > Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement > clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something > important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your > connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one > listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might > not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the > freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) > > To oppose all government involvement is not only completely > anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going > out of the frying pan and into the fire. > > *-- > Paul R Lehto, J.D. > P.O. Box 1 > Ishpeming, MI 49849 > lehto.paul at gmail.com > 906-204-4026 (cell) > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 23:05:01 2011 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:05:01 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Rui Correia wrote: > Paul, Ivar > > There NEVER was ANY law in Brazil that prohibited making fun of > candidates. > > What there was, was a prohibition - in terms of Pagraph 2 of Article 45 of > the Election Law - against manipulation, montage or other, of video clips or > sound bites so as to degrade or humiliate candidates or political parties. > "Degrade" or "humiliate" -- that means being on the *receiving* end of political critique, political satire, and biting political humor, and finding it to be "not funny." So, the speech being prohibited is either the satire or political cartooning I was referring to, or in any case it is political speech that a politician finds degrading or humiliating. There is an even stronger case for rights protection whenever something is political speech and *not* having the lightness of also being entertaining or funny. But here again it is out of the frying pan and into the fire if we are to dispense with government. Try degrading or humiliating the private sector boss in employment. And, it is easier for laws to be passed outlawing the "degradation" or "humiliation" of powerful folks in the private sector than it is for politicians, because in every country I'm familiar with, constitutional protections either don't apply in the private sector or are greatly diminished. Public sector: Perhaps corrupt, often misguided, but changeable contrary to the will of politicians, even if that change is frequently quite hard to accomplish. Private sector: Perhaps corrupt, often misguided, and not changeable against the will of the owners. Paul Lehto, J.D. > > > > 2011/9/18 Paul Lehto > >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < >> ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives >>> which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. >>> Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes >>> about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in >>> force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) >>> decided to put an end to it. >>> >> >> In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the >> Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. >> >> But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and >> they too have "no joking" rules.* >> >> Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of >> "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In >> every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are >> enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance >> that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will >> be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector >> joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy >> changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** >> >> Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement >> clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something >> important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your >> connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one >> listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might >> not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the >> freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) >> >> To oppose all government involvement is not only completely >> anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going >> out of the frying pan and into the fire. >> >> *-- >> Paul R Lehto, J.D. >> P.O. Box 1 >> Ishpeming, MI 49849 >> lehto.paul at gmail.com >> 906-204-4026 (cell) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > _________________________ > Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 > Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 > > I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African > numbers > Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através > dos meus números sul-africanos > > Rui Correia > Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant > Angola Liaison Consultant > > _______________ > > > -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. Box 1 Ishpeming, MI 49849 lehto.paul at gmail.com 906-204-4026 (cell) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ivarhartmann at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 23:05:56 2011 From: ivarhartmann at gmail.com (Ivar A. M. Hartmann) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:05:56 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: I think you misunderstood me Paul. I don't oppose gov involvement, I oppose a push away from whatever we have now to exclusive gov involvement. I'm obviously pointing to multistakeholderism (this message shouldn't be that hard to understand in a group like this, where this concept has been exhaustively discussed). Plus, as someone who has been doing research on and teaching fundamental rights theory for a few years, I certainly acknowledge the role played by the Judiciary in curtailing temporary, abusive, majority interests. With regards to Brazil, private parties, not just the state, are bound by fundamental rights (an influence from German constitutional law that the US is sadly light-years away from). Therefore the employee-making-boss-jokes example wouldn't play out quite the same there! Rui, as you probably know legal interpretation is not an exact science, so we'll have to agree to disagree on what precisely was forbidden by that section. But the fact is that the Supreme Court did bother to suspend it and the press and mass media were concerned about - whenever you have a restriction on speech that is highly likely to be interpreted as an outright ban, people will engage in self-censorship in order to avoid litigation costs. This can be considered *de facto* prohibition and the fact that you have come up with a different interpretation to that section in the law will do little to change this situation. Best, Ivar On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:51, Paul Lehto wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < > ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives >> which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. >> Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes >> about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in >> force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) >> decided to put an end to it. >> > > In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the > Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. > > But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and > they too have "no joking" rules.* > > Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of > "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In > every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are > enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance > that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will > be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector > joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy > changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** > > Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement > clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something > important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your > connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one > listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might > not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the > freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) > > To oppose all government involvement is not only completely > anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going > out of the frying pan and into the fire. > > *-- > Paul R Lehto, J.D. > P.O. Box 1 > Ishpeming, MI 49849 > lehto.paul at gmail.com > 906-204-4026 (cell) > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From correia.rui at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 23:19:34 2011 From: correia.rui at gmail.com (Rui Correia) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 04:19:34 +0100 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ivar I did not bother to interpret anything - I merely provided a quick translation of what the paragraph in the law said. Paul interpreted it and frankly I don't know what he is on about. My initial post was about not creating wrong impressions that might sidetrack attention, but now this is also becoming a distraction, so - as the Brazilians say - I am getting off the bus now! Best regards to all, use the Sunday to recharge, Um grande abraço, Rui 2011/9/18 Ivar A. M. Hartmann > > the fact that you have come up with a different interpretation to that > section in the law will do little to change this situation. > Best, > Ivar > > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:51, Paul Lehto wrote: > >> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < >> ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives >>> which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. >>> Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes >>> about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in >>> force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) >>> decided to put an end to it. >>> >> >> In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the >> Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. >> >> But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and >> they too have "no joking" rules.* >> >> Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of >> "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In >> every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are >> enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance >> that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will >> be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector >> joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy >> changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** >> >> Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement >> clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something >> important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your >> connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one >> listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might >> not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the >> freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) >> >> To oppose all government involvement is not only completely >> anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going >> out of the frying pan and into the fire. >> >> *-- >> Paul R Lehto, J.D. >> P.O. Box 1 >> Ishpeming, MI 49849 >> lehto.paul at gmail.com >> 906-204-4026 (cell) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- _________________________ Mobile Number in Namibia +264 81 445 1308 Número de Telemóvel na Namíbia +264 81 445 1308 I am away from Johannesburg - you cannot contact me on my South African numbers Estou fora de Joanesburgo - não poderá entrar em contacto comigo através dos meus números sul-africanos Rui Correia Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant Angola Liaison Consultant _______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 00:27:25 2011 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:27:25 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Dear Milton, I would like to comment some of your observations, as someone who participated on the seminar and who organized it in FGV. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, > the proposal would be very destructive. > First of all, some background information is important. The idea to organize the meeting was firstly raised by Brazil during the CSTD meeting in May (although funding was only secured in July), in a conversation with the governments of India and South Africa, and with civil society from Brazil and India who were there. The main goals of the meeting were to identify main policy and regulatory issues that should be seen as priority by the actors from the three countries and to discuss institutional changes, especially enhanced cooperation. The evaluation back then was that if IBSA countries would like to discuss EC in CSTD and elsewhere, then some clear proposal would have to be advanced, so it can be properly debated. Nowadays people are either ignoring the topic (despite the clear mandate from Tunis) or advocating it vaguely, and this is leading discussions nowhere. The seminar was very useful to air positions and to understand expectations. With the help of these exchanges, I personally hope that a clear proposal on EC will emerge by September, so it can be discussed by all those interested. The statement summarizes general ideas so I don't think we could possibly have enough information to judge the future proposal from IBSA right now. > **** > > ** ** > > One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting > forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it > does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for > multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. > I don't think this analysis is accurate because: 1) India and Brazil have supported the IGF, not only being host countries and active participants in subsequent meetings, but also by making suggestions for strengthening the IGF in CSTD WG. You are certainly aware that the more comprehensive proposal to enhance the IGF has been advanced by India, reason why the IGC is organizing a workshop to discuss IGF improvement based on the Indian proposal. And you also know that US was against the continuation of the working group on IGF improvements, according their letter, published in CSTD website, and we all know that IGF's improvements are very important to strengthen its role and legitimacy. 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. I hope you will be there to raise your issues. 3) I can speak only for the context in Brazil, but I believe it is fair to mention that some civil society, business and academic organizations has been consulted and involved in policy development by the Ministry of External relations. Periodic meetings took place to listen to non-governemental actors before the government adopted their positions in ICANN and IGF. Naturally, this does not mean positions will always coincide and when disagreements emerge we deal with them. But this shows the level of transparency and the good dialogue that we have achieved internally. I hope that you have the same opportunity to approach the US government on IG matters, and that others on this list have the same opportunity to approach the european commission. Maybe we would have less secret documents and negotiations, which were certainly not multistakehoder. This is true because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an > exclusive club of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the > IGF. Rather, it will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken > directly to the UN General Assembly. > Here I dont really understand your point. IBSA proposal has to be developed by IBSA actors, as the EU proposal needs to be developed by EU, etc. The important thing if that it is done is an open and participatory way. > **** > > ** ** > > This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire > process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a > forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal. > Here maybe some background information is missing. In the case of IBSA seminar, the governments were the first ones to say they wanted a multistakeholder meeting, back in CSTD. And although governments and civil society were the predominant participants, the meeting was open to all those who wished to participate. Some CS participants from South Africa and India were sponsored to come. So IBSA sent a message they would like to create a multistakeholder dialogue between non-governmental actors from the three countries, although the mobilization of stakeholders needs to be improved. > **** > > ** ** > > The IBSA report says that “the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful > guidelines” for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange > statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and > most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals > explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is > trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the > WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn’t. WGIG couldn’t agree on any of those models, > that was the point of listing 4 of them. > I am not aware of discussions during the drafting of this statement, but what was said during the seminar was that 3 out of 4 models advanced by WGIG mention a new body and some of them get into details about it, so any proposal on EC should not start from zero, bur review the models discussed during WGIG. > **** > > ** ** > > The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It > will be “tasked to develop and establish international public policies.” So > it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all > along: it is law, i.e. rules, not “policy” that is needed. Policy just means > that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes > whenever something happens that they don’t like. Law on the other hand > provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines > and which also protects freedom. **** > > ** > Again, all I can say was that during the seminar the need to develop policy and regulation were mentioned and the need to protect rights was also raised. And there was predominant support for a multistakeholder mechanism of enhanced cooperation, although we need to see very carefully if and how MS participation will be put on paper when their proposal is advanced. > ** > > And here’s my favorite. IBSA proposes to “integrate and oversee the bodies > responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, > including global standards setting.” So IBSA is not only proposing to take > over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting > providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it > proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. > No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. > Just a small comment, for the sake of clarity: the oversight would be performed by the new body, not by IBSA. And during seminar discussions, most of these organizations were not mentioned. It had nothing to do with oversight of content providers and mobile. I understand if you disagree with the proposal of oversight or if you believe that any new body should be created. People on the list have advanced arguments on both sides. But you cannot say that the reasons have not been advanced by them. Just read the statements IBSA produced so far. > **** > > ** ** > > This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using > civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and > it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to > say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments > outside the IBSA orbit.**** > > ** > I think that it is very positive to discuss sensitive topics in a mulstistakeholder and transparent way, and was the case in the seminar. This is different from the bahavior that has been adopted elsewhere, we should acknowledge that. And applause or rejection usually comes after the idea is fully presented, when things are made clear, and not before. Best wishes, Marília Milton L. Mueller**** > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies**** > > Internet Governance Project**** > > http://blog.internetgovernance.org **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: **** > > Hello everybody, > > I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global > Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning > of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the > discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a > blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital > policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: > > http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance > > I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time > allows) or in Nairobi. > > Best wishes, > Marília > > **** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lehto.paul at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 00:50:39 2011 From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:50:39 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: > I think you misunderstood me Paul. I don't oppose gov involvement, I oppose > a push away from whatever we have now to exclusive gov involvement. I'm > obviously pointing to multistakeholderism (this message shouldn't be that > hard to understand in a group like this, where this concept has been > exhaustively discussed). OK, thanks for clarifying. I reacted to what still seems a relatively clear statement on your part, when you wrote: "I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives which is *either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way." (emphasis added) *It seems you mean to add the word "exclusively" in there somewhere.* *You are correct, multistakeholderism has been discussed at length. Your motivations for supporting that are quite understandable, but I would only say this:* The solution to the corruptions of democracy is not to move away from democracy *(i.e. to multistakeholderism, where democratic governmental representation is diminished). Perhaps there are some anecdotal examples of multi-stakeholder entities being more sensitive to fundamental rights compared to governments, but I can see no really good reasons *why they should be* better. * This strikes me as switching horses out of disgust or frustration, using another horse with some shiny bells and whistles, but yet nothing fundamentally that indicates the new horse is built to give loyal service. *At least with politicians the people can kick them out of office.* *Have a nice weekend, Ivar. Paul Lehto, J.D. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:51, Paul Lehto wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann < > ivarhartmann at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I would by default oppose a global body of IG run by gov representatives >> which is either suggested by Brazilian gov or influenced by it in any way. >> Just as an example, Brazilian law prohibited people from making jokes >> about politicians running for office during election periods. This was in >> force up until a year ago until the Supreme Court (not Congress, mind you) >> decided to put an end to it. >> > > In the public sector (government), at least a Supreme Court, as in the > Brazilian example above, can correct a policy. > > But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, *ever, and > they too have "no joking" rules.* > > Using employment as an example, private sector bosses often have rules of > "no joking about the boss or the boss's interests or you will be fired". In > every country I know of, such private sector "no joking" rules are > enforceable law. Not only that, but there isn't even a reasonable chance > that the power of the private sector boss to prohibit satire and joking will > be open for *debate* anytime soon, much less that the ban on private sector > joking would change. But *in Brazil's government, the no joking policy > changed, *thanks to the Brazilian Supreme C*ourt.** > > Even internet providers terms of service will have non-disparagement > clauses and the like. So, if you are effective enough ridiculing something > important to the private sector internet provider, you can have your > connectivity terminated. If your anti-telcom humor is ineffective or no one > listens, I grant that you may have an illusion of "freedom" and you might > not be terminated. (That's just the freedom to be irrelevant, not the > freedom to joke about or satirize the telcom.) > > To oppose all government involvement is not only completely > anti-democratic, but in the case of the "freedom to joke" it is like going > out of the frying pan and into the fire. > > *-- > Paul R Lehto, J.D. > P.O. Box 1 > Ishpeming, MI 49849 > lehto.paul at gmail.com > 906-204-4026 (cell) > > > > > > > -- Paul R Lehto, J.D. P.O. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 01:29:37 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:29:37 +0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Paul, On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Paul Lehto wrote: > > But, in the private sector there will be no such correction, ever, and they > too have "no joking" rules. The so called "private sector led" (which I contend are more correctly MS) Internet Governance organisations change policies quite frequently. See the new gTLD policy as an example which you may be familiar with. There are dozens of others I could cite as well. Currently, I am co-chair of the AfriNIC Policy Development Working Group. If there was no chance of having new policies or changing old policies, there would be no such WG. It is much easier to change these policies than to get even one African government to change a law, let alone ALL African countries to enact the same law. BTW, Several of the RIRs have "Secret WGs" whose sole purpose is to make jokes. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Sun Sep 18 04:42:21 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:42:21 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E752A0D.9010409@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi everybody the IBSA initiative is a good case to broaden the ongoing discussion about global Internet Governance policy making and the development of frameworks as it has been triggered in 2011 by the G8, OECD, Council of Europe, the US government and the EU (with its neboulos Internet Compact and the confusing six secret ICANN papers). Now the picture gets more comprehensive and the only thing we are missing in this concert is a Chinese proposal. Anybody can explain why China is silent? Do they plan to propose something during the forthcoming G 20 summit in Cannes? Or during the 66th UN General Assembly? Who represents the Chinese government at the forthcoming IGF? Anyhow, the IBSA approach is interesting and I share Miltons point that it would have been much better to involve the IGF. Unfortunately the IBSA countries used the same approach as the G 8 (which was widely critisized as arrogant and ignorant) and excluded non-governmental stakeholders from the discussion. But it is still in the early stage and there will be - hopefully - chances to correct this. For me it is unclear how the IBSA countries position themselves to the principle of multistakeholderism (which is singled out as a key principle in similar final documents of G 8, OECD, Council of Europe etc.). It seems that this is at the moment a purely inter-governmental thing. However the IBSA Rio Recommendation (September 2, 2011) includes in its 4th paragraph the formuation that the IBSA meeting stressed "to ensure that Internet Governance is transparent, democratic, multistakeholder and multilateral as mandated by the Tunis Agenda." This is interesting. The original text of the Tunis Agenda (para. 48) is "The international management of the Internet should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations." Some people will remember the hot dispute among the words "multilateral" (inter-state) and "multistakeholder" (governments and non-governmental groups). If I compare the two formulations than I see that the IBSA countries goe beyond the Tunis agenda by putting "multistakeholder" before "multilateral" and giving "Transparency" and "Democracy" first priority. This is good. And this reflects also a discussion we had during the IGF workshop in San Francisco where I got a question (from a Brazilian friend) how I see the future of the intergovernmental treaty system (under international law) in the future of Internet regulation. My answer was that intergovernmental treaties will not disappear and will play an even greater role, but they will be and has to be "embedded" into a multistakeholder environment. One could conclude form here, that "policies" has to be developed in a multistakeholder transparent bottom up way but if it comes to binding decision, than governments have to take the lead and have to translate policies into law (which are legally binding treaties). This seems for me a rational approach. What I miss in the IBSA project is that they do not make clear to distinction between multistakeholder policy development and multilateral treaty (law) making. I hope that the IBSA countries will open the discussuion on this issue on October 18, 2011 in Durban to non-governmental stakeholders (at best from all over the world /as the Council of Europe did in April 2011 in Strasbourg/ and at least from their own countries). It remains to be seen how far we can come with Internet treaties, taking into account also the Russian initiative in the 1st Committee of the UN General Assembly. Nevertheless I remain sceptical with regard to intergovernmental treaties (hard law). It will eat away years to reach a very general consensus among 190+ nation states and probably another decade until a relevant number of national parliaments have ratified such a treaty to become binding law. Soft Law in form of policy guidelines are probably more efficient (and flexible, as McTim has pointed out), but such policies should be developed bottom up with the inclusion of all stakeholders (and not top down behind closed doors by one stakeholder group alone). BTW another point I miss in the IBSA declaration is a reference to human rights. For the 47 member states of the Council of Europe the protection of Human Rights has the first priority in Internet policy making. It would be good if the IBSA countries could fully support the report of the the Human Rights Rapporteur Frank La Reau with regard to Internet Freedoms, as discussed in the UN Human Rights Council. Anyhow, interesting phase of Internet Governance Policies. Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Carlos A. Afonso Gesendet: So 18.09.2011 01:15 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui Correia Betreff: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal While I wonder if I should delve my spoon into this complicated soup, here is the official IBAS/IBSA site URL: http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org/ A Southern Trilateral, how about that? :) frt rgds --c.a. On 09/17/2011 06:59 PM, Rui Correia wrote: > Hi > > Just in case anybody is wondering what IBSA is, it stands for > India-Brasil-SouthAfrica, > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Brazil-South_Africa_Dialogue_Forum(English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3rum_de_Di%C3%A1logo_%C3%8Dndia-Brasil-%C3%81frica_do_Sul(Portuguese) > > Not to be confused with the better known BRIC - Brasil-Russia-India-China; > or > BRICS - Brasil-Russia-India-China-SouthAfrica > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (Portuguese) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (English) > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (Portuguese) > > Regards, great weekend > Um abraço, bom fim de semana > > Rui > > 2011/9/17 Milton L Mueller > >> Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any >> applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and >> authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, >> the proposal would be very destructive. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting >> forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it >> does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for >> multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true >> because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club >> of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it >> will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the >> UN General Assembly. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire >> process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a >> forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal.** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> The IBSA report says that "the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful >> guidelines" for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange >> statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and >> most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals >> explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is >> trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the >> WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn't. WGIG couldn't agree on any of those models, >> that was the point of listing 4 of them.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It >> will be "tasked to develop and establish international public policies." So >> it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all >> along: it is law, i.e. rules, not "policy" that is needed. Policy just means >> that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes >> whenever something happens that they don't like. Law on the other hand >> provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines >> and which also protects freedom. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> And here's my favorite. IBSA proposes to "integrate and oversee the bodies >> responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, >> including global standards setting." So IBSA is not only proposing to take >> over regulation of all the world's internet service providers, hosting >> providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it >> proposes to "integrate and oversee" the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. >> No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using >> civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and >> it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to >> say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments >> outside the IBSA orbit.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Milton L. Mueller**** >> >> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies**** >> >> Internet Governance Project**** >> >> http://blog.internetgovernance.org **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: **** >> >> Hello everybody, >> >> I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global >> Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning >> of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the >> discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a >> blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital >> policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: >> >> http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance >> >> I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time >> allows) or in Nairobi. >> >> Best wishes, >> Marília >> >> **** >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun Sep 18 07:20:47 2011 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:20:47 +0900 Subject: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather Message-ID: Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTAnet), "a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation..." Very interesting, an influential bunch of people. Mailing list discussions are archived on the website and a good source of information about what's happening here, what people are thinking/doing. I've just arrived in Nairobi: Visa on arrival (if your country's listed ) is simple. Costs US$50 (also seem to take Euro, cost is 40, and UK pounds, cost 30, but dollars a more useful currency to have.) I got a visa application form here , paper might also be available on your flight. Saves a bit of time to complete before standing in line. And there is a second yellow or blue form you will need to complete, those seem not available online (get from the airline or at immigration.) Any doubts, trust Grace (earlier email about visa assistance) not me. A bit of luck and you'll be through immigration before your bags get to the belt. It's quite chilly, 20-21 degrees Celsius today. I don't know the long term forecast, but anyone planning to come, think mid 20s, cooler in the evening. Adam ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ajp at glocom.ac.jp Sun Sep 18 07:21:28 2011 From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:21:28 +0900 Subject: [governance] Preliminary summary of the IBSA seminar on global Internet Governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Marilia, How was enhanced cooperation defined? It's always been such a vague and I think confusing term. And is there a summary of session five (Institutional arrangements), presentations, anything? Otherwise, from what I've read so far I agree with Milton. See civil society losing out badly in these arrangements. Also find the CSDT relationship confusing and a bit troubling -- seems to be a kind of CSDT IGF improvements working group IBSA adjunct session. Is that a wrong characterization? Thanks, Adam >Hello everybody, > >I would like to share with you some news about >the IBSA seminar on global Internet governance >that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the >beginning of this month. Tight schedule and >deadlines have prevented me to report the >discussions with the depth and length I would >like to, but I have written a blog post about it >to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of >Digital policies, which has been circulating on >Twitter recently: >http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance > >I will be happy to talk more about it and share >impressions here (if time allows) or in Nairobi. > >Best wishes, >Marília > > >-- >Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >FGV Direito Rio > >Center for Technology and Society >Getulio Vargas Foundation >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 07:33:03 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:33:03 +1200 Subject: [governance] Press Release: Pacific participation Message-ID: Dear All, Press Release attached. See you in Nairobi soon :) Best, -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've raised it at several events, including a WSIS Forum workshop I organized (which included Alvaro from the Brazilian government), but have been unable to elicit much discussion from any side. While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems require such a solution, how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. I hope you will be there to raise your issues. There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in GIG http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178, which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. Cheers, Bill *************************************************** William J. Drake International Fellow Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland william.drake at uzh.ch www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake www.williamdrake.org **************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 07:55:25 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:55:25 +0300 Subject: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather In-Reply-To: <3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> References: <3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:37 PM, William Drake wrote: > Adam, > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > > I've just arrived in Nairobi:  Visa on arrival (if your country's listed > ) > is simple.  Costs US$50 (also seem to take Euro, cost is 40, and UK pounds, > cost 30, but dollars a more useful currency to have.) > > I paid 70 CHF ($80).  Think I can get them to refund the difference? :-) The house (mansion really) was built by a Kenyan diplomat...I suspect it was mostly built using visa fees ;-/ Adam, are you at the Jacaranda? Drinks this week? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 08:19:33 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:19:33 +0300 Subject: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather In-Reply-To: References: <3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Apologies for spam, that was meant to be offlist. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 08:41:12 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Message-ID: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> Dear IGC Members, With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through this url: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net -neutrality-issue Thanks Imran Ahmad Shah +92 300 4130617 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From zads911 at msn.com Sun Sep 18 08:43:34 2011 From: zads911 at msn.com (Mohamed zahran) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:43:34 +0000 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> References: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Imran thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) Regards, Mohamed Zahran Business Systems Analyst Cell: +20129614467 > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 > Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE > > Dear IGC Members, > With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I > would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently > uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through > this url: > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net > -neutrality-issue > > Thanks > > Imran Ahmad Shah > +92 300 4130617 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Blackberry also returned gateway problem. But in my experience and testing, I kept many the options before me and carefully monitored. In one case the tracert returned the requesting server on 27th hope while on other testing same url was accessible on 15th hope. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmad Shah +92 300 4130617 From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed zahran Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 05:44 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: imran at igfpak.org Subject: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Dear Imran thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) Regards, Mohamed Zahran Business Systems Analyst Cell: +20129614467 > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 > Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE > > Dear IGC Members, > With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I > would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently > uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through > this url: > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net > -neutrality-issue > > Thanks > > Imran Ahmad Shah > +92 300 4130617 > > > ____________________________________________________________< br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Lorena.Jaume-Palasi at gsi.uni-muenchen.de Sun Sep 18 09:13:04 2011 From: Lorena.Jaume-Palasi at gsi.uni-muenchen.de (Lorena Jaume-Palasi) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:13:04 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: References: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010b01cc7604$b52ddbd0$1f899370$@gsi.uni-muenchen.de> Dear Mohamed, try again: www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net-neutra lity-issue part of the url direction was “unlinked”, it should work now. Regards, Lorena Jaume-Palasí ___________________________________________ Wiss. Mitarbeiterin Lehrstuhl für Politische Theorie Geschwister Scholl Institut für Politikwissenschaft. LMU www.gsi.uni-muenchen.de/personen/wiss_mitarbeiter/jaume-palasi Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im Auftrag von Mohamed zahran Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2011 14:44 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: imran at igfpak.org Betreff: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Dear Imran thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) Regards, Mohamed Zahran Business Systems Analyst Cell: +20129614467 > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 > Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE > > Dear IGC Members, > With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I > would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently > uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through > this url: > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net > -neutrality-issue > > Thanks > > Imran Ahmad Shah > +92 300 4130617 > > > ____________________________________________________________< br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From zads911 at msn.com Sun Sep 18 09:13:14 2011 From: zads911 at msn.com (Mohamed zahran) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:13:14 +0000 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: <012501cc7604$562df160$0289d420$@yahoo.com> References: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> ,<012501cc7604$562df160$0289d420$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net-neutrality-issue Regards, Mohamed Zahran Business Systems Analyst Cell: +20129614467 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; zads911 at msn.com CC: imran at igfpak.org Subject: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:10:21 +0500 Dear Zahran It might be the problem of the Hosting Server, ISP or the Client Machine at some time, Mobile phone or the Network Operator. Blackberry also returned gateway problem. But in my experience and testing, I kept many the options before me and carefully monitored. In one case the tracert returned the requesting server on 27th hope while on other testing same url was accessible on 15th hope. Thanking you and Best RegardsImran Ahmad Shah+92 300 4130617From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed zahran Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 05:44 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Cc: imran at igfpak.org Subject: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Dear Imran thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) Regards,Mohamed ZahranBusiness Systems AnalystCell: +20129614467 > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 > Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE > > Dear IGC Members, > With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I > would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently > uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through > this url: > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net > -neutrality-issue > > Thanks > > Imran Ahmad Shah > +92 300 4130617 > > > ____________________________________________________________< br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks again for correction. Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:13 PKT Mohamed zahran wrote: > >http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net-neutrality-issue > > >Regards, >Mohamed Zahran >Business Systems Analyst >Cell: +20129614467 > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com >To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; zads911 at msn.com >CC: imran at igfpak.org >Subject: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:10:21 +0500 > > > >Dear Zahran It might be the problem of the Hosting Server, ISP or the Client Machine at some time, Mobile phone or the Network Operator. Blackberry also returned gateway problem. But in my experience and testing, I kept many the options before me and carefully monitored. In one case the tracert returned the requesting server on 27th hope while on other testing same url was accessible on 15th hope. Thanking you and Best RegardsImran Ahmad Shah+92 300 4130617From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed zahran >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 05:44 PM >To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >Cc: imran at igfpak.org >Subject: RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Dear Imran >thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) > > Regards,Mohamed ZahranBusiness Systems AnalystCell: +20129614467 > > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> CC: imran at igfpak.org >> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 >> Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE >> >> Dear IGC Members, >> With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, I >> would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently >> uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible through >> this url: >> http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net >> -neutrality-issue >> >> Thanks >> >> Imran Ahmad Shah >> +92 300 4130617 >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________< br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Sun Sep 18 10:06:39 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:06:39 -0300 Subject: AW: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E752A0D.9010409@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E75FAEF.7010001@cafonso.ca> Dear Wolf, OK, just brief comments, as I think Marilia has already taken care of Milton's reaction. On 09/18/2011 05:42 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Hi everybody > > the IBSA initiative is a good case to broaden the ongoing discussion > about global Internet Governance policy making and the development of > frameworks as it has been triggered in 2011 by the G8, OECD, Council > of Europe, the US government and the EU (with its neboulos Internet > Compact and the confusing six secret ICANN papers). Now the picture > gets more comprehensive and the only thing we are missing in this > concert is a Chinese proposal. Anybody can explain why China is > silent? Do they plan to propose something during the forthcoming G 20 > summit in Cannes? Or during the 66th UN General Assembly? Who > represents the Chinese government at the forthcoming IGF? The Chinese can explain it :) > Anyhow, the IBSA approach is interesting and I share Miltons point > that it would have been much better to involve the IGF. Unfortunately > the IBSA countries used the same approach as the G 8 (which was > widely critisized as arrogant and ignorant) and excluded > non-governmental stakeholders from the discussion. But it is still in > the early stage and there will be - hopefully - chances to correct > this. Interesting, Wolf, but I have to disagree here on two counts at least in the case of Brazil: our gov actors have been present in the IGF process, including the regional preIGFs we have been promoting (organized by CS and the so-called "technical community" by the way), and the civil society actors who are participating are in many cases long-time participants of that process (including representation in the MAG). We have here a regular dialogue with them who in several cases take the initiative to call us for meetings and dialogues -- and when they do not, we can act and receive reasonable feedback. Regarding, for example, the Latin American and Caribbean intergovernmental e-strategy called e-LAC (facilitated by ECLAC), CS has been called to participate in all of its working groups. If the initiative does not work as expected, is not only the governments' fault in this case. > For me it is unclear how the IBSA countries position themselves to > the principle of multistakeholderism (which is singled out as a key > principle in similar final documents of G 8, OECD, Council of Europe > etc.). It seems that this is at the moment a purely > inter-governmental thing. As Marilia said, there was consensus among all participants in the Rio IBSA meeting that pluralism (or multistakeholderism) is the way to go. How this will be expressed in the final statement remains to be seen, as Marilia pointed out, but it is too early to dismiss something we did not see yet. frt rgds --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:20:59 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:50:59 -0430 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: <012501cc7604$562df160$0289d420$@yahoo.com> References: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> <012501cc7604$562df160$0289d420$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The site Imran has suggested for discussion is hosted by ning, works best with Chrome or Firefox, and is problematical with IE, in my experience. Good luck and happy discussions! http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net-neutrality-issue Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 18 September 2011 08:40, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear Zahran **** > > It might be the problem of the Hosting Server, ISP or the Client Machine at > some time, Mobile phone or the Network Operator. Blackberry also returned > gateway problem. **** > > But in my experience and testing, I kept many the options before me and > carefully monitored. In one case the tracert returned the requesting server > on 27th hope while on other testing same url was accessible on 15th hope. > **** > > Thanking you and Best Regards**** > > Imran Ahmad Shah**** > > +92 300 4130617**** > > *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mohamed zahran > *Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2011 05:44 PM > > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org > *Cc:* imran at igfpak.org > *Subject:* RE: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE**** > > ** ** > > Dear Imran > thier is somthing woth the url it go to (page not found) > > **** > > **** > > *Regards,***** > > Mohamed Zahran**** > > Business Systems Analyst**** > > Cell: +20129614467**** > > > **** > > > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > CC: imran at igfpak.org > > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:41:12 +0500 > > Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE > > > > Dear IGC Members, > > With reference to NN Policies Development for Global Internet Governance, > I > > would like to draw your kind attention for your comments to a recently > > uploaded on Diplo Internet Governance Community Forum and accessible > through > > this url: > > > http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/a-report-on-global-net > > -neutrality-issue > > > > Thanks > > > > Imran Ahmad Shah > > +92 300 4130617 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________< br>> You > received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > **** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 11:15:56 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:15:56 +0300 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> References: <011b01cc7600$424e3140$c6ea93c0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: HI Ping and traceroute are your best tools here. For example, I have different routes to yahoo and Google. For Google, my packets go to Mumbai first before they find a Google server, but my traffic to yahoo goes to London directly before NY, then Palo Alto. This is normal and not at all a NN violation. If you suspect your ISPs is a NN violator andwant to collect evidence of same, use http://www.nnsquad.org/agent. Other tools being developed by Google to detect NN violations coming soon. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 12:50:20 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Message-ID: <1316364620.55457.yint-ygo-j2me@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Well, McTim >...my packets go to Mumbai first before they find a Google server, but my traffic to yahoo goes to London directly before NY, then Palo Alto. If your yahoo request resolved to Palo Alto Server in 15 hops normally but after some time, it starts returning the answer of same query through 27 or 30 hopes? While an other ISP still providing you the same previous reply? Thanks Imran On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:15 PKT McTim wrote: >HI > >Ping and traceroute are your best tools here. For example, I have >different routes to yahoo and Google. For Google, my packets go to >Mumbai first before they find a Google server, but my traffic to yahoo >goes to London directly before NY, then Palo Alto. > >This is normal and not at all a NN violation. > >If you suspect your ISPs is a NN violator andwant to collect evidence >of same, use http://www.nnsquad.org/agent. > >Other tools being developed by Google to detect NN violations coming soon. > >-- >Cheers, > >McTim >"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Sep 18 12:54:11 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:24:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> Dear Milton, This will be a long (though very welcome) discussion and it catches me at a particular bad time, but let me jump in.... On Saturday 17 September 2011 11:52 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any > applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and > authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly > unlikely, the proposal would be very destructive. > > One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By > putting forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly > declared that it does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF > as a forum for multistakeholder Internet policy development or > discussion. This is true because the IBSA proposal was developed > outside of IGF in an exclusive club of countries, and will not be put > forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it will be developed at the > closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the UN General Assembly. > Marilia and Carlos have said thing in this regard. But let me put forward some facts to you. Discussion on 'enhanced cooperation' was blocked by the MAG, its most powerful constituencies of business sector, technical sector, Northern govs et al, and not by developing countries. In the run up to the Rio IGF, during the May open consultations, it was declared by the chair of the MAG that EC disucssion neither belonged in the MAG nor in the IGF, and the two tracks are to kept seperate. (This was backed by the above mentioned groups, though it is entirely a different matter that after two years when EC actually got discussed in the IGF they changed their strategy and suddenly discovered that instead of being seperate tracks they were in fact the 'same thing'.) When ITfC proposed a workshop on EC for Hyderabad IGF, it was officially refused and we were told that EC shouldnt be discussed in the IGF. We approached Brazil and they ensured that instead of a workshop EC was discussed in a plenary session. I remember clearly the coldness towards an EC discussion at the IGF of so many civil society actors that are now wondering about why EC was not discussed at the IGF. Surprise. Surprise. Earlier Brazil made some 'bold' statements in the Rio IGF opening ceremony about looking for new directions in global IGF, for which it was almost universally made to look like an 'untouchable'. So, it is very very interesting that now Brazil and other countries are being told that they ignore the IGF, especially in terms of discussing global public policy mechanisms. Isnt it diffuct to discuss thing with people who refuse to discuss things. And that now some of them can turn back and say; why did you not discuss these things, is a testimony to the hegemonic control that is exercised on the whole arena, and rules, of discourse. On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and extra territorial IP enforcement regime), and for EU etc. The background paper of ITfC for the Rio meeting describes all the global IG policy making that is going on in and among the countires of the North. It is the policies made by these countries and forums that run the Internet today, these pronouncements are all about global IG, and the IBSA effort is just to seek a democratic seat at the table... So your surprise, i must say, is rather politically well informed. > > This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire > process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS > forum, a forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for > this proposal. > I understand that they will be happy to seek views. The current IBSA statement says it will take in multistakeholder views. Marilia's and my organisation are holding a workshop on insituional gaps in global IG. All are welcome. IBSA sought a global Internet related policy forum in December 2010 at EC consultations, then reiterated the call in their statement to annual ECOSOC meeting in July 2010. So the thing has been in the public domain for quite a while. IGC is welcome to discuss it. Has been welcome > The IBSA report says that "the models proposed by the WGIG provided > useful guidelines" for a new global Internet governance body. This is > a strange statement. There were four different models proposed in the > WGIG report, and most of them were inconsistent with each other. One > of the WGIG proposals explicitly stated that no new global body was > needed. So perhaps IBSA is trying to pretend that its proposal has > some kind of imprimatur from the WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn't. WGIG > couldn't agree on any of those models, that was the point of listing 4 > of them. > The statement just say the models provide useful guidelines... I do see them providing useful guidelines, for those who may want to go down one path or the other. > > The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting > list. It will be "tasked to develop and establish international public > policies." So it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have > been making all along: it is law, i.e. rules, not "policy" that is needed. > OECD's Committee for ICCP makes Internet related policies, and I have witnessed your enthusiastic participation in the process, and never heard you badmouth the process. Milton, can you be a littlemore fair to the less powerful, > > Policy just means that a gang of governments attempts to dictate > outcomes, or alter outcomes whenever something happens that they don't > like. Law on the other hand provides a framework of clear rules that > allows individual actors guidelines and which also protects freedom. > So, then shd we together seek a global framework convention on the Internet, an idea which did interest you once? > And here's my favorite. IBSA proposes to "integrate and oversee the > bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the > internet, including global standards setting." So IBSA is not only > proposing to take over regulation of all the world's internet service > providers, hosting providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even > equipment suppliers, it proposes to "integrate and oversee" the IETF > as well. Presumably ICANN, too. No rationale for such a dramatic > change is put forward. > I already judged that there was a unfortunate drafting here. I know that it is not the intention to seek any overhaul of theexisting system. The Dec 2010 IBSA statement says so much and I think also 2011 ECOSOC one. What was meant, in my understanding, where the word 'integrate' is used was something like map and overview..... with a view to provide pubic interest oversight wherever necessary and required (as US gov provides in many cases at present). But I think it is a good feedback to give that the term 'integrate' simply doesnt sound too good here. > This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the > internet-using civil society, > You dont seem to have a good idea of how politically conscious and active civil society in developing countries see the democratic deficit issue vis a vis global governance. And, another minor point, we seek to represent interests of both internet using and non user groups. > it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and it will > have very little support from the academic community. > again, a presumption. > > Needless to say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, > they oppose your proposal to strengthen IGF into a soft power body as well. So? > and so will most governments outside the IBSA orbit. > You think so. Are you ready for a vote in the General assembly? :) . I see you chickening out of your statement already. Or perhaps when you think governments you think just the powerful northern ones, parminder > > Milton L. Mueller > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies > > Internet Governance Project > > http://blog.internetgovernance.org > > On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on > global Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in > the beginning of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have > prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I > would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of > the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been > circulating on Twitter recently: > http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance > > I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if > time allows) or in Nairobi. > > Best wishes, > Marília > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sun Sep 18 12:58:34 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:28:34 +0530 Subject: AW: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E752A0D.9010409@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E76233A.9050600@itforchange.net> Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for your view below. Just two points for the present. First, about your preference for multistakeholder policy development and the embedding of treaty devleopment into a multistakeholder environment, and your wondering about IBSA's position on this. I think IBSA position is clear when it has repeatedly stated that enhanced cooperation and IGF are distinct but complementary processes. This to me look almost excat translation of the principle you state into a practical mechanism. Dont you think so? I think you need to wonder more abut the position of Northen governments on this issue and that of the business community, and of course many CS participants in and outside IGC. I can see that anyone who would go by the principles you lay above would like to strengthen IGFs output making capacity, and the only real way that a global multistakeholder process can substantively impact global IG policy making. IBSA countries have been advocating strong improvements in the IGF in this regard. You know who has bene opposing. And unfortunately many of the CS sit on the fence in this regard. I will like your clarification on this point. Second, about >It would be good if the IBSA countries could fully support the report of the the Human Rights Rapporteur Frank La Reau with regard to>Internet Freedoms, as discussed in the UN Human Rights Council. All the three IBSA countries are among the 40 who endorsed Frank's report Also want to talk about why Northern governments look for soft (or non) laws in IG areas and extra hard laws in IP and trade areas (in IP, the issue of border seizures, in trade, the new requirement that Northen companies should be able to sue developing country governments if they apply a social policy that impacted the companies' business etc). When it is the 'regime shaping' stage, as in IG, they want to keep things to themselves and are not too eager about international laws. When regimes mature and are largely unchangeable from their dominant mode, it shifts to 'regime enforcement' stage, and Northern governments want strong international laws, including as many countries as possible. We cant put our head in the sand and speak the dominant discourse of IG, led and shaped by the most powerful, unmindful of where the rest of the world is going.... I think we need to take a more nuanced view of global governance and its real politiks, and in this regard, as a generic civil society value, be on the side of the less powerful than of the more powerful, in most situations. Parminder On Sunday 18 September 2011 02:12 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Hi everybody > > the IBSA initiative is a good case to broaden the ongoing discussion about global Internet Governance policy making and the development of frameworks as it has been triggered in 2011 by the G8, OECD, Council of Europe, the US government and the EU (with its neboulos Internet Compact and the confusing six secret ICANN papers). Now the picture gets more comprehensive and the only thing we are missing in this concert is a Chinese proposal. Anybody can explain why China is silent? Do they plan to propose something during the forthcoming G 20 summit in Cannes? Or during the 66th UN General Assembly? Who represents the Chinese government at the forthcoming IGF? > > Anyhow, the IBSA approach is interesting and I share Miltons point that it would have been much better to involve the IGF. Unfortunately the IBSA countries used the same approach as the G 8 (which was widely critisized as arrogant and ignorant) and excluded non-governmental stakeholders from the discussion. But it is still in the early stage and there will be - hopefully - chances to correct this. > > For me it is unclear how the IBSA countries position themselves to the principle of multistakeholderism (which is singled out as a key principle in similar final documents of G 8, OECD, Council of Europe etc.). It seems that this is at the moment a purely inter-governmental thing. > > However the IBSA Rio Recommendation (September 2, 2011) includes in its 4th paragraph the formuation that the IBSA meeting stressed "to ensure that Internet Governance is transparent, democratic, multistakeholder and multilateral as mandated by the Tunis Agenda." This is interesting. The original text of the Tunis Agenda (para. 48) is "The international management of the Internet should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations." Some people will remember the hot dispute among the words "multilateral" (inter-state) and "multistakeholder" (governments and non-governmental groups). > > If I compare the two formulations than I see that the IBSA countries goe beyond the Tunis agenda by putting "multistakeholder" before "multilateral" and giving "Transparency" and "Democracy" first priority. This is good. And this reflects also a discussion we had during the IGF workshop in San Francisco where I got a question (from a Brazilian friend) how I see the future of the intergovernmental treaty system (under international law) in the future of Internet regulation. My answer was that intergovernmental treaties will not disappear and will play an even greater role, but they will be and has to be "embedded" into a multistakeholder environment. One could conclude form here, that "policies" has to be developed in a multistakeholder transparent bottom up way but if it comes to binding decision, than governments have to take the lead and have to translate policies into law (which are legally binding treaties). > > This seems for me a rational approach. What I miss in the IBSA project is that they do not make clear to distinction between multistakeholder policy development and multilateral treaty (law) making. I hope that the IBSA countries will open the discussuion on this issue on October 18, 2011 in Durban to non-governmental stakeholders (at best from all over the world /as the Council of Europe did in April 2011 in Strasbourg/ and at least from their own countries). > > It remains to be seen how far we can come with Internet treaties, taking into account also the Russian initiative in the 1st Committee of the UN General Assembly. Nevertheless I remain sceptical with regard to intergovernmental treaties (hard law). It will eat away years to reach a very general consensus among 190+ nation states and probably another decade until a relevant number of national parliaments have ratified such a treaty to become binding law. Soft Law in form of policy guidelines are probably more efficient (and flexible, as McTim has pointed out), but such policies should be developed bottom up with the inclusion of all stakeholders (and not top down behind closed doors by one stakeholder group alone). > > BTW another point I miss in the IBSA declaration is a reference to human rights. For the 47 member states of the Council of Europe the protection of Human Rights has the first priority in Internet policy making. It would be good if the IBSA countries could fully support the report of the the Human Rights Rapporteur Frank La Reau with regard to Internet Freedoms, as discussed in the UN Human Rights Council. > > Anyhow, interesting phase of Internet Governance Policies. > > Wolfgang > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Carlos A. Afonso > Gesendet: So 18.09.2011 01:15 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui Correia > Betreff: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > > > While I wonder if I should delve my spoon into this complicated soup, > here is the official IBAS/IBSA site URL: > > http://www.ibsa-trilateral.org/ > > A Southern Trilateral, how about that? :) > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > On 09/17/2011 06:59 PM, Rui Correia wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Just in case anybody is wondering what IBSA is, it stands for >> India-Brasil-SouthAfrica, >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Brazil-South_Africa_Dialogue_Forum(English) >> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3rum_de_Di%C3%A1logo_%C3%8Dndia-Brasil-%C3%81frica_do_Sul(Portuguese) >> >> Not to be confused with the better known BRIC - Brasil-Russia-India-China; >> or >> BRICS - Brasil-Russia-India-China-SouthAfrica >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (English) >> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC (Portuguese) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (English) >> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS (Portuguese) >> >> Regards, great weekend >> Um abraço, bom fim de semana >> >> Rui >> >> 2011/9/17 Milton L Mueller >> >> >>> Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any >>> applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and >>> authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, >>> the proposal would be very destructive. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting >>> forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it >>> does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for >>> multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true >>> because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club >>> of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it >>> will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the >>> UN General Assembly. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire >>> process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a >>> forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal.** >>> ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The IBSA report says that "the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful >>> guidelines" for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange >>> statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and >>> most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals >>> explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is >>> trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the >>> WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn't. WGIG couldn't agree on any of those models, >>> that was the point of listing 4 of them.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It >>> will be "tasked to develop and establish international public policies." So >>> it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all >>> along: it is law, i.e. rules, not "policy" that is needed. Policy just means >>> that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes >>> whenever something happens that they don't like. Law on the other hand >>> provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines >>> and which also protects freedom. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> And here's my favorite. IBSA proposes to "integrate and oversee the bodies >>> responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, >>> including global standards setting." So IBSA is not only proposing to take >>> over regulation of all the world's internet service providers, hosting >>> providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it >>> proposes to "integrate and oversee" the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. >>> No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using >>> civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and >>> it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to >>> say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments >>> outside the IBSA orbit.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Milton L. Mueller**** >>> >>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies**** >>> >>> Internet Governance Project**** >>> >>> http://blog.internetgovernance.org **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: **** >>> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global >>> Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning >>> of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the >>> discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a >>> blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital >>> policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: >>> >>> http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance >>> >>> I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time >>> allows) or in Nairobi. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Marília >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 13:14:25 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:14:25 +0300 Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE In-Reply-To: <1316364620.55457.yint-ygo-j2me@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1316364620.55457.yint-ygo-j2me@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Well, McTim >>...my packets go to > Mumbai first before they find a Google server, but my traffic to yahoo > goes to London directly before NY, then Palo Alto. > > If your yahoo request resolved to Palo Alto Server in 15 hops normally but > after some time, it starts returning the answer of same query through 27 or 30 hopes? Your upstream doesn't control this (unless the extra hops are in their own network). Normally your ISP will have at least 2 connections to the Internet (transit providers). Sounds like the the 15 hop route is done by one of their transit providers and the 27 hop route is done by the second. > While an other ISP still providing you the same previous reply? They are using a different transit provider. Doesn't sound like a NN violation to me. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sun Sep 18 13:22:26 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:22:26 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: In message <4E762233.9020601 at itforchange.net>, at 22:24:11 on Sun, 18 Sep 2011, parminder writes >On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes >out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it >first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and >extra territorial IP enforcement regime) Actually, OECD had a workshop on that exact topic (if you mean the Liability of Intermediaries) at IGF last year. And of course civil society has their own representation at the table (CSISAC), even if they didn't agree with the communique issued by OECD earlier this year. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Sun Sep 18 13:26:56 2011 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:26:56 -0700 Subject: [governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4E7629E0.4040204@eff.org> Hi Parminder, We have shout loudly when we do not agree with issues at the OECD. Here is a summary of other post other NGOs have written about. http://csisac.org/2011/06/csisac_declines_to_support_oec.php Copyright is also one of the issues at stake in this overall mess. :) Best, Katitza On 9/18/11 10:22 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > In message <4E762233.9020601 at itforchange.net>, at 22:24:11 on Sun, 18 > Sep 2011, parminder writes >> On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes >> out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it >> first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and >> extra territorial IP enforcement regime) > > Actually, OECD had a workshop on that exact topic (if you mean the > Liability of Intermediaries) at IGF last year. And of course civil > society has their own representation at the table (CSISAC), even if > they didn't agree with the communique issued by OECD earlier this year. -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 13:41:54 2011 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] A REPORT ON GLOBAL NET NEUTRALITY ISSUE Message-ID: <1316367714.4965.yint-ygo-j2me@web161007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Well, But if your http request to diplointernetgovernance.org is permanently blocked for your ISP' IP, and only successful when you change the client's IP or the ISP? On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:14 PKT McTim wrote: >On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: >> Well, McTim >>>...my packets go to >> Mumbai first before they find a Google server, but my traffic to yahoo >> goes to London directly before NY, then Palo Alto. >> >> If your yahoo request resolved to Palo Alto Server in 15 hops normally but >> after some time, it starts returning the answer of same query through 27 or 30 hopes? > > >Your upstream doesn't control this (unless the extra hops are in their >own network). Normally your ISP will have at least 2 connections to >the Internet (transit providers). Sounds like the the 15 hop route is >done by one of their transit providers and the 27 hop route is done by >the second. > > >> While an other ISP still providing you the same previous reply? > >They are using a different transit provider. Doesn't sound like a NN >violation to me. > >-- >Cheers, > >McTim >"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Sun Sep 18 14:31:21 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:31:21 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E752A0D.9010409@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C527@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E75FAEF.7010001@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C528@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Thanks Carlos this is a helpful clarification and give the (regional) civil society engagement, as described in your mail, gives the whole üprocess certainly a hiogher degree of credibility. Good stuff for the Nairobi discussions. w ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Carlos A. Afonso Gesendet: So 18.09.2011 16:06 An: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui Correia Betreff: Re: AW: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Dear Wolf, OK, just brief comments, as I think Marilia has already taken care of Milton's reaction. On 09/18/2011 05:42 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Hi everybody > > the IBSA initiative is a good case to broaden the ongoing discussion > about global Internet Governance policy making and the development of > frameworks as it has been triggered in 2011 by the G8, OECD, Council > of Europe, the US government and the EU (with its neboulos Internet > Compact and the confusing six secret ICANN papers). Now the picture > gets more comprehensive and the only thing we are missing in this > concert is a Chinese proposal. Anybody can explain why China is > silent? Do they plan to propose something during the forthcoming G 20 > summit in Cannes? Or during the 66th UN General Assembly? Who > represents the Chinese government at the forthcoming IGF? The Chinese can explain it :) > Anyhow, the IBSA approach is interesting and I share Miltons point > that it would have been much better to involve the IGF. Unfortunately > the IBSA countries used the same approach as the G 8 (which was > widely critisized as arrogant and ignorant) and excluded > non-governmental stakeholders from the discussion. But it is still in > the early stage and there will be - hopefully - chances to correct > this. Interesting, Wolf, but I have to disagree here on two counts at least in the case of Brazil: our gov actors have been present in the IGF process, including the regional preIGFs we have been promoting (organized by CS and the so-called "technical community" by the way), and the civil society actors who are participating are in many cases long-time participants of that process (including representation in the MAG). We have here a regular dialogue with them who in several cases take the initiative to call us for meetings and dialogues -- and when they do not, we can act and receive reasonable feedback. Regarding, for example, the Latin American and Caribbean intergovernmental e-strategy called e-LAC (facilitated by ECLAC), CS has been called to participate in all of its working groups. If the initiative does not work as expected, is not only the governments' fault in this case. > For me it is unclear how the IBSA countries position themselves to > the principle of multistakeholderism (which is singled out as a key > principle in similar final documents of G 8, OECD, Council of Europe > etc.). It seems that this is at the moment a purely > inter-governmental thing. As Marilia said, there was consensus among all participants in the Rio IBSA meeting that pluralism (or multistakeholderism) is the way to go. How this will be expressed in the final statement remains to be seen, as Marilia pointed out, but it is too early to dismiss something we did not see yet. frt rgds --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Sun Sep 18 18:37:51 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:37:51 +0000 Subject: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather In-Reply-To: <3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> References: ,<3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> Message-ID: William The cost is US 50 on arrival. But if you applied elsewhere, they may have factored admin costs :)... Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: william.drake at uzh.ch Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:37:58 +0200 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ajp at glocom.ac.jp Subject: Re: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather Adam, On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Adam Peake wrote: I've just arrived in Nairobi: Visa on arrival (if your country's listed ) is simple. Costs US$50 (also seem to take Euro, cost is 40, and UK pounds, cost 30, but dollars a more useful currency to have.) I paid 70 CHF ($80). Think I can get them to refund the difference? :-) BD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks . “Limitations live only in our minds. But if we use our imaginations, our possibilities become limitless” NAME: VINCENT SOLOMON ALIAMA CONTACT: +256 773307045 / +256 713307045 / +256 753307045 EMAIL:aliama.vincent at cit.mak.ac.ug / vinsolo15 at yahoo.co.uk /vinsoloster at gmail.com Skype : vinsolo2 ________________________________ From: Grace Githaiga To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011, 20:23 Subject: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? Colleagues   Greetings.   This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly email me the following details:   1. Name as it appears on passport 2. Passport number 3 Nationality.   We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening.   Rgds Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee.     ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Mon Sep 19 02:11:24 2011 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:11:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather In-Reply-To: References: ,<3D7EED1A-78AF-42B7-B101-B6D010C1FCF0@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Hi Grace Sorry, I was just grumbling. It's Geneva… Cheers, Bill On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > William > The cost is US 50 on arrival. But if you applied elsewhere, they may have factored admin costs :)... > Rgds > Grace > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > From: william.drake at uzh.ch > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:37:58 +0200 > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ajp at glocom.ac.jp > Subject: Re: [governance] Kenya: ICT policy, visa and Nairobi weather > > Adam, > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Adam Peake wrote: > > I've just arrived in Nairobi: Visa on arrival (if your country's listed ) is simple. Costs US$50 (also seem to take Euro, cost is 40, and UK pounds, cost 30, but dollars a more useful currency to have.) > > I paid 70 CHF ($80). 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Mon Sep 19 11:12:16 2011 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:12:16 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> Parminder: I have been member of the IGF MAG since the beginning and It is not true that the Internet technical community has opposed to discuss about the concept of Enhanced Cooperation. I myself have participated in many discussion in the IGF in workshops and also in the plenary sessions about EC, and the NRO has never opposed neither we oppose to have such discussion in IGF. Raúl El 18/09/2011, a las 13:54, parminder escribió: > Dear Milton, > > This will be a long (though very welcome) discussion and it catches me at a particular bad time, but let me jump in.... > > On Saturday 17 September 2011 11:52 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: >> >> Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, the proposal would be very destructive. >> >> One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the UN General Assembly. > Marilia and Carlos have said thing in this regard. But let me put forward some facts to you. Discussion on 'enhanced cooperation' was blocked by the MAG, its most powerful constituencies of business sector, technical sector, Northern govs et al, and not by developing countries. In the run up to the Rio IGF, during the May open consultations, it was declared by the chair of the MAG that EC disucssion neither belonged in the MAG nor in the IGF, and the two tracks are to kept seperate. (This was backed by the above mentioned groups, though it is entirely a different matter that after two years when EC actually got discussed in the IGF they changed their strategy and suddenly discovered that instead of being seperate tracks they were in fact the 'same thing'.) When ITfC proposed a workshop on EC for Hyderabad IGF, it was officially refused and we were told that EC shouldnt be discussed in the IGF. We approached Brazil and they ensured that instead of a workshop EC was discussed in a plenary session. I remember clearly the coldness towards an EC discussion at the IGF of so many civil society actors that are now wondering about why EC was not discussed at the IGF. Surprise. Surprise. Earlier Brazil made some 'bold' statements in the Rio IGF opening ceremony about looking for new directions in global IGF, for which it was almost universally made to look like an 'untouchable'. So, it is very very interesting that now Brazil and other countries are being told that they ignore the IGF, especially in terms of discussing global public policy mechanisms. Isnt it diffuct to discuss thing with people who refuse to discuss things. And that now some of them can turn back and say; why did you not discuss these things, is a testimony to the hegemonic control that is exercised on the whole arena, and rules, of discourse. > > On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and extra territorial IP enforcement regime), and for EU etc. The background paper of ITfC for the Rio meeting describes all the global IG policy making that is going on in and among the countires of the North. > > It is the policies made by these countries and forums that run the Internet today, these pronouncements are all about global IG, and the IBSA effort is just to seek a democratic seat at the table... So your surprise, i must say, is rather politically well informed. >> >> This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal. > I understand that they will be happy to seek views. The current IBSA statement says it will take in multistakeholder views. Marilia's and my organisation are holding a workshop on insituional gaps in global IG. All are welcome. IBSA sought a global Internet related policy forum in December 2010 at EC consultations, then reiterated the call in their statement to annual ECOSOC meeting in July 2010. So the thing has been in the public domain for quite a while. IGC is welcome to discuss it. Has been welcome > >> >> The IBSA report says that “the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful guidelines” for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn’t. WGIG couldn’t agree on any of those models, that was the point of listing 4 of them. > > The statement just say the models provide useful guidelines... I do see them providing useful guidelines, for those who may want to go down one path or the other. >> >> The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It will be “tasked to develop and establish international public policies.” So it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all along: it is law, i.e. rules, not “policy” that is needed. > > OECD's Committee for ICCP makes Internet related policies, and I have witnessed your enthusiastic participation in the process, and never heard you badmouth the process. Milton, can you be a littlemore fair to the less powerful, >> Policy just means that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes whenever something happens that they don’t like. Law on the other hand provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines and which also protects freedom. > So, then shd we together seek a global framework convention on the Internet, an idea which did interest you once? > >> >> And here’s my favorite. IBSA proposes to “integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, including global standards setting.” So IBSA is not only proposing to take over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. > I already judged that there was a unfortunate drafting here. I know that it is not the intention to seek any overhaul of theexisting system. The Dec 2010 IBSA statement says so much and I think also 2011 ECOSOC one. What was meant, in my understanding, where the word 'integrate' is used was something like map and overview..... with a view to provide pubic interest oversight wherever necessary and required (as US gov provides in many cases at present). But I think it is a good feedback to give that the term 'integrate' simply doesnt sound too good here. > >> >> This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using civil society, > You dont seem to have a good idea of how politically conscious and active civil society in developing countries see the democratic deficit issue vis a vis global governance. And, another minor point, we seek to represent interests of both internet using and non user groups. > >> it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and it will have very little support from the academic community. > > again, a presumption. >> Needless to say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, > > they oppose your proposal to strengthen IGF into a soft power body as well. So? > > > >> and so will most governments outside the IBSA orbit. > > You think so. Are you ready for a vote in the General assembly? :) . I see you chickening out of your statement already. Or perhaps when you think governments you think just the powerful northern ones, > > parminder >> >> >> Milton L. Mueller >> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies >> Internet Governance Project >> http://blog.internetgovernance.org >> >> >> >> On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> >> I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: >> http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ibsa-seminar-on-internet-governance >> >> I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time allows) or in Nairobi. >> >> Best wishes, >> Marília >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > Raul Twitter @raulecheberria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 11:46:25 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:46:25 +0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> Message-ID: Hi Raul, Thanks for the clarification. I suspect Parminder et. al., who do not (or cannot) see EC going on understand EC as something totally different from the way you and I define it (our definitions may also be divergent). As Adam has pointed out, it's not well defined. Those of us who pay attention know how many resources the NRO and it's members put into EC activities, to wit: AfWG- AfriNIC Government Working Group, RIPE NCC Government roundtables, AGWG- ARIN Government Working Group, LACNIC has a whole list of them here: http://lacnic.net/en/acuerdos/index.html, AfriNIC signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Commonwealth Telecommunications Organisation: http://www.afrinic.net/press_release_cto_mou_25082011.htm and NRO participated at OECD High Level Meeting, 27-28 June http://www.nro.net/news/nro-participated-at-oecd-high-level-meeting-27-28-june etc, etc If you are interested there is a wealth of EC activity going on, one just has to want to recognise it. In any case, I look forward to seeing you next week and many thanks for your extraordinary efforts as NRO Chair. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Mon Sep 19 12:04:41 2011 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:04:41 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> Message-ID: Mc. Tim You are right, there is not a single view about EC. As a signal of my willingness to discuss the topic, I wrote this article in 2008. http://raul.echeberria.org/2008/12/enhanced-cooperation-its-meaning-and-progress/ It is a bit outdated, but the essence remains the same. So you can see what is my view about Enhanced Cooperation. Best, Raúl El 19/09/2011, a las 12:46, McTim escribió: > Hi Raul, > > Thanks for the clarification. > > I suspect Parminder et. al., who do not (or cannot) see EC going on > understand EC as something totally different from the way you and I > define it (our definitions may also be divergent). As Adam has > pointed out, it's not well defined. > > Those of us who pay attention know how many resources the NRO and it's > members put into EC activities, to wit: > > AfWG- AfriNIC Government Working Group, RIPE NCC Government > roundtables, AGWG- ARIN Government Working Group, LACNIC has a whole > list of them here: > http://lacnic.net/en/acuerdos/index.html, > > AfriNIC signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Commonwealth > Telecommunications Organisation: > http://www.afrinic.net/press_release_cto_mou_25082011.htm > > and > NRO participated at OECD High Level Meeting, 27-28 June > http://www.nro.net/news/nro-participated-at-oecd-high-level-meeting-27-28-june > > etc, etc > > If you are interested there is a wealth of EC activity going on, one > just has to want to recognise it. > > In any case, I look forward to seeing you next week and many thanks > for your extraordinary efforts as NRO Chair. > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t Raul Twitter @raulecheberria ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Sep 19 14:31:43 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:31:43 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> Message-ID: <4E778A8F.9@cafonso.ca> Nor about the so-called "technical community", bu the way... --c.a. On 09/19/2011 01:04 PM, Raul Echeberria wrote: > > Mc. Tim > > You are right, there is not a single view about EC. > As a signal of my willingness to discuss the topic, I wrote this article in 2008. > > http://raul.echeberria.org/2008/12/enhanced-cooperation-its-meaning-and-progress/ > > It is a bit outdated, but the essence remains the same. So you can see what is my view about Enhanced Cooperation. > > Best, > > Raúl > > > > El 19/09/2011, a las 12:46, McTim escribió: > >> Hi Raul, >> >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> I suspect Parminder et. al., who do not (or cannot) see EC going on >> understand EC as something totally different from the way you and I >> define it (our definitions may also be divergent). As Adam has >> pointed out, it's not well defined. >> >> Those of us who pay attention know how many resources the NRO and it's >> members put into EC activities, to wit: >> >> AfWG- AfriNIC Government Working Group, RIPE NCC Government >> roundtables, AGWG- ARIN Government Working Group, LACNIC has a whole >> list of them here: >> http://lacnic.net/en/acuerdos/index.html, >> >> AfriNIC signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Commonwealth >> Telecommunications Organisation: >> http://www.afrinic.net/press_release_cto_mou_25082011.htm >> >> and >> NRO participated at OECD High Level Meeting, 27-28 June >> http://www.nro.net/news/nro-participated-at-oecd-high-level-meeting-27-28-june >> >> etc, etc >> >> If you are interested there is a wealth of EC activity going on, one >> just has to want to recognise it. >> >> In any case, I look forward to seeing you next week and many thanks >> for your extraordinary efforts as NRO Chair. >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > Raul > Twitter @raulecheberria > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Sep 19 14:31:58 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:31:58 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> Message-ID: <4E778A9E.5030000@cafonso.ca> Nor about the so-called "technical community", by the way... --c.a. On 09/19/2011 01:04 PM, Raul Echeberria wrote: > > Mc. Tim > > You are right, there is not a single view about EC. > As a signal of my willingness to discuss the topic, I wrote this article in 2008. > > http://raul.echeberria.org/2008/12/enhanced-cooperation-its-meaning-and-progress/ > > It is a bit outdated, but the essence remains the same. So you can see what is my view about Enhanced Cooperation. > > Best, > > Raúl > > > > El 19/09/2011, a las 12:46, McTim escribió: > >> Hi Raul, >> >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> I suspect Parminder et. al., who do not (or cannot) see EC going on >> understand EC as something totally different from the way you and I >> define it (our definitions may also be divergent). As Adam has >> pointed out, it's not well defined. >> >> Those of us who pay attention know how many resources the NRO and it's >> members put into EC activities, to wit: >> >> AfWG- AfriNIC Government Working Group, RIPE NCC Government >> roundtables, AGWG- ARIN Government Working Group, LACNIC has a whole >> list of them here: >> http://lacnic.net/en/acuerdos/index.html, >> >> AfriNIC signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Commonwealth >> Telecommunications Organisation: >> http://www.afrinic.net/press_release_cto_mou_25082011.htm >> >> and >> NRO participated at OECD High Level Meeting, 27-28 June >> http://www.nro.net/news/nro-participated-at-oecd-high-level-meeting-27-28-june >> >> etc, etc >> >> If you are interested there is a wealth of EC activity going on, one >> just has to want to recognise it. >> >> In any case, I look forward to seeing you next week and many thanks >> for your extraordinary efforts as NRO Chair. >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > Raul > Twitter @raulecheberria > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Mon Sep 19 14:36:36 2011 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:36:36 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E778A9E.5030000@cafonso.ca> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <4E778A9E.5030000@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <9661E268-F8FC-4666-91BE-1ABF3DDF2C3F@lacnic.net> Carlos: I don't understand what you mean. Raúl El 19/09/2011, a las 15:31, Carlos A. Afonso escribió: > Nor about the so-called "technical community", by the way... > > --c.a. > > On 09/19/2011 01:04 PM, Raul Echeberria wrote: >> >> Mc. Tim >> >> You are right, there is not a single view about EC. >> As a signal of my willingness to discuss the topic, I wrote this article in 2008. >> >> http://raul.echeberria.org/2008/12/enhanced-cooperation-its-meaning-and-progress/ >> >> It is a bit outdated, but the essence remains the same. So you can see what is my view about Enhanced Cooperation. >> >> Best, >> >> Raúl >> >> >> >> El 19/09/2011, a las 12:46, McTim escribió: >> >>> Hi Raul, >>> >>> Thanks for the clarification. >>> >>> I suspect Parminder et. al., who do not (or cannot) see EC going on >>> understand EC as something totally different from the way you and I >>> define it (our definitions may also be divergent). As Adam has >>> pointed out, it's not well defined. >>> >>> Those of us who pay attention know how many resources the NRO and it's >>> members put into EC activities, to wit: >>> >>> AfWG- AfriNIC Government Working Group, RIPE NCC Government >>> roundtables, AGWG- ARIN Government Working Group, LACNIC has a whole >>> list of them here: >>> http://lacnic.net/en/acuerdos/index.html, >>> >>> AfriNIC signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Commonwealth >>> Telecommunications Organisation: >>> http://www.afrinic.net/press_release_cto_mou_25082011.htm >>> >>> and >>> NRO participated at OECD High Level Meeting, 27-28 June >>> http://www.nro.net/news/nro-participated-at-oecd-high-level-meeting-27-28-june >>> >>> etc, etc >>> >>> If you are interested there is a wealth of EC activity going on, one >>> just has to want to recognise it. >>> >>> In any case, I look forward to seeing you next week and many thanks >>> for your extraordinary efforts as NRO Chair. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> Raul >> Twitter @raulecheberria >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t Raul Twitter @raulecheberria ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon Sep 19 14:45:52 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:45:52 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754970068@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Marilia, Thanks for this careful response, it is very informative. I reply below: The idea to organize the meeting was firstly raised by Brazil during the CSTD meeting in May (although funding was only secured in July), in a conversation with the governments of India and South Africa, and with civil society from Brazil and India who were there. The main goals of the meeting were to identify main policy and regulatory issues that should be seen as priority by the actors from the three countries and to discuss institutional changes, especially enhanced cooperation. The evaluation back then was that if IBSA countries would like to discuss EC in CSTD and elsewhere, then some clear proposal would have to be advanced, so it can be properly debated. Nowadays people are either ignoring the topic (despite the clear mandate from Tunis) or advocating it vaguely, and this is leading discussions nowhere. I agree that EC topic has been short-circuited within IGF. In my longer post on IGP blog I identified this as one of the key motives for the IBSA proposal. The problem is that the substantive proposals coming from IBSA always seem to involve hierarchical control and inter-governmental processes. It is a very traditionalist approach which is why I characterized it as "backward looking." The seminar was very useful to air positions and to understand expectations. With the help of these exchanges, I personally hope that a clear proposal on EC will emerge by September, so it can be discussed by all those interested. The statement summarizes general ideas so I don't think we could possibly have enough information to judge the future proposal from IBSA right now. Well, it was IBSA itself that put forward the basic outlines: "new body," "based in UN," "develops and established global public policy," "integrates and oversees" all agencies responsible for "technical and operational" aspects of the internet, as well as "dispute resolution." With that as a starting point, it would be hard to go from that to something I or others who favor a more distributed, networked and multistakeholder environment will like. I don't think this analysis is accurate because: India and Brazil have supported the IGF, not only being host countries and active participants in subsequent meetings, but also by making suggestions for strengthening the IGF in CSTD WG. You are certainly aware that the more comprehensive proposal to enhance the IGF has been advanced by India, Yes, I praised that proposal reason why the IGC is organizing a workshop to discuss IGF improvement based on the Indian proposal. That's good, but this proposal is "big", it's about the internet as a whole and not just the IGF. A workshop? Bah. Why not try to get an IGF main session on this topic, why not announce the IBSA recommendations for the first time at the IGF for public release? Etc., etc. If IBSA took IGF seriously as a place to advance global internet governance they would do this a lot differently. And you also know that US was against the continuation of the working group on IGF improvements Yes, I know. I hope you don't think that I and the US have much in common on these issues. 3) I can speak only for the context in Brazil, but I believe it is fair to mention that some civil society, business and academic organizations has been consulted and involved in policy development by the Ministry of External relations. Periodic meetings took place to listen to non-governemental actors before the government adopted their positions in ICANN and IGF. Naturally, this does not mean positions will always coincide and when disagreements emerge we deal with them. But this shows the level of transparency and the good dialogue that we have achieved internally. Yes, it is fair to mention this. I have to say that many people in civil society who are on the liberal-denationalized end of the IG spectrum are always a bit confused by the behavior of the Brazilian govt. On the one hand they talk - and inside Brazil, act - a good multi-stakeholder game, develop good principles, etc. On the other hand, in international organizations they consistently push for a governmental takeover of the process and continue to promote the logically fallacious, dangerously arbitrary concept of "global public policy" defined by states in isolation. So we are confused. I don't think the confusion comes from the fact that I and the others are ignorant and not paying attention to what they do. I think Brazil's Ministry of External Relations is holding contradictory opinions and has not thought these things through. Or perhaps they are seduced by the prospect of being a "world leader" and hope to appeal to other states in the UN context. I hope that you have the same opportunity to approach the US government on IG matters, and that others on this list have the same opportunity to approach the european commission. Maybe we would have less secret documents and negotiations, which were certainly not multistakehoder. I approach the US government all the time. Mostly they run away... Here I dont really understand your point. IBSA proposal has to be developed by IBSA actors, as the EU proposal needs to be developed by EU, etc. The important thing if that it is done is an open and participatory way. Why do you assume that the process must be led by states? Here maybe some background information is missing. In the case of IBSA seminar, the governments were the first ones to say they wanted a multistakeholder meeting, back in CSTD. And although governments and civil society were the predominant participants, the meeting was open to all those who wished to participate. Some CS participants from South Africa and India were sponsored to come. So IBSA sent a message they would like to create a multistakeholder dialogue between non-governmental actors from the three countries, although the mobilization of stakeholders needs to be improved. Sure, one model of multi-stakeholderism is for governments to invite people into consultations where they define the agenda, and then after the consultation they go off in a room by themselves and decide. I favor a much stronger, more innovative model in which the decision making power is distributed and not just the consultation. I think that it is very positive to discuss sensitive topics in a mulstistakeholder and transparent way, and was the case in the seminar. This is different from the bahavior that has been adopted elsewhere, we should acknowledge that. And applause or rejection usually comes after the idea is fully presented, when things are made clear, and not before. I am not attacking the seminar, or the role of Brazilian CS in contributing to it. I just think the IBSA recommendations that came out of it, and their plans for taking it to the UN General Assembly, show that the political direction that will be taken by this initiative is unlikely to be one that is good for the Internet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon Sep 19 15:08:41 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:08:41 -0400 Subject: [governance] RE: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175497006A@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> But let me put forward some facts to you. Discussion on 'enhanced cooperation' was blocked by the MAG, its most powerful constituencies of business sector, technical sector, Northern govs et al, and not by developing countries. In the run up to the Rio IGF, during the May open consultations, it was declared by the chair of the MAG that EC disucssion neither belonged in the MAG nor in the IGF, and the two tracks are to kept seperate. Why are you telling me this? I was at that Rio IGF preparatory meeting and spoke out most vigorously against the attempt by the Australians, Canadians and Europeans to keep Enhanced Cooperation out of the IGF. Look it up on the transcript. If I recall properly, at the time you didn't even know what was happening, we had to explain it to you. (This was backed by the above mentioned groups, though it is entirely a different matter that after two years when EC actually got discussed in the IGF they changed their strategy and suddenly discovered that instead of being seperate tracks they were in fact the 'same thing'.) Indeed, and you are repeating my own arguments to me in a lecturing tone, which is more than a little annoying. But I guess when you put everyone from the wrong side of the "North-South" divide in the same box such errors are inevitable. When ITfC proposed a workshop on EC for Hyderabad IGF, it was officially refused and we were told that EC shouldnt be discussed in the IGF. We approached Brazil and they ensured that instead of a workshop EC was discussed in a plenary session. I remember clearly the coldness towards an EC discussion at the IGF of so many civil society actors that are now wondering about why EC was not discussed at the IGF. Um, do you recall my own interventions in that process? Or my support for that effort? Or did that go down the memory hole, as inconsistent with your ideological worldview? On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and extra territorial IP enforcement regime), and for EU etc. It doesn't surprise me in the least, because I know how and why states behave in this context. Here again, you reveal how your thinking grasp of facts is stultified by your tendency to stereotype people based on the country they come from. No one has been more critical of US hypocrisy on this topic than me. I understand that they will be happy to seek views. The current IBSA statement says it will take in multistakeholder views. Yeah, and the NTIA Commerce Department will "take in MS views" also. Does that make you happy? ICANN says it will listen to anyone. Satisfied with that? Insofar as MS is interesting at all, it involves a redistribution of power, not simple pluralism in which government decision makers promise to listen to us. Maybe you can be bought off by attaching yourself to a state or two. Some of us are more principled. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of responses from all ten: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced CoOperation. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Sep 19 22:52:15 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:52:15 +0800 Subject: [governance] Reminder: decorum on the list Message-ID: <4E77FFDF.2020005@ciroap.org> The discussion around the IBSA proposal is a crucial one, and the contributions being made are all excellent and useful, but I would like to remind everyone (without pointing fingers) about the following paragraphs of our charter: The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including: * refrain from personal attacks, insults or slander * refrain from offensive or discriminating language * refrain from threats , including threats of legal action, on list or off list * refrain from excessive and repetitive posting Inappropriate postings to the IGC list include * Unsolicited bulk e-mail * Discussion of subjects unrelated to the IGC mission and objectives * Unprofessional or discourteous commentary, regardless of the general subject * Sequences of messages by one or more participants that cause an IGC list to become a hostile environment Thank you! :-) -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3762 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 04:45:54 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> Message-ID: 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE 2. Passport number: OB0093228 3 Nationality: congolese 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations > officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in > Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong > to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling > a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this > facilitation to kindly email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to > provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 04:59:04 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:59:04 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> , Message-ID: All I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There are no hussles whatsoever. There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous process. If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or thursday. Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested that you give me your names by yesterday evening. Kind Regards Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE 2. Passport number: OB0093228 3 Nationality: congolese 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga Colleagues Greetings. This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly email me the following details: 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE 2. Passport number: OB0093228 3 Nationality: congolese We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. Rgds Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 05:26:08 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:26:08 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi Grace, Thanks for visa assistance. Document received very well Baudouin 2011/9/20 Grace Githaiga > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you coming > from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There are no > hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you are > from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of Korea, > Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, Syria > and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it will be > okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate this process. I > hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested that > you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the immigrations > officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like the IGF secretariat in > Kenya to compile a list of those who have not gotten a visa (if you belong > to a country that requires this) and would need facilitation. I am compiling > a list for them and would request that anyone who thinks they need this > facilitation to kindly email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing facilitation to > provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nyangkweagien at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 06:36:05 2011 From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:36:05 +0200 Subject: [governance] Thanks to all of You for Your show of Love during my recent agony Message-ID: Thanks to all of You for Your show of Love during my recent agony Love and real solidarity can make wonders as a lot of you have made me to realize during the couple of weeks that I almost quit this world after a motorcycle knocked me down and the deadly Tetanus took on its own to wipe me away from the list of the Cameroon’s population. Many of you showed your love for me materially and through prayers. Without you, there was no way I could have afforded the at least 25000 FCFA that was needed daily for my treatment. A treatment that was described by Dr Nkeng, the Specialist that took care of me (more on this later) at Laquintine Hospital. It was around 8:20 PM (Cameroon time) on August 13th, that I was returning home when a motorcycle without lights stroke me as I engaged to cross the road. No vehicle was circulating at that moment, I had ascertained, else one would have crushed me and possibly the motorcycle rider to dead. I sustained a big wound my head near my left ear. As I struggled to look for some piece of tissue to tie the wounded portion to stop the oozing blood, The Bike rider profited and escaped thus abandoning me to my fate. A Good Samaritan (bike rider co-incidentally) carried to a nearby hospital. The first question that the nurse asked me was “do you have money?” I turned and pointed to my right back pocket of my trousers. She pulled out a note of FCFA 10 000. And she responded in French that “he has money”. Before then, I tried to reach my children and family members to inform them of what happened to me. But the Cameroon mobile telephone network failed woefully that evening. Some Nurses offered to take the numbers and try the calls to no avail. I was conveyed into a room where about four injections were carried out around the wounded portion of my head. Thirteen stitches were later carried out and some drugs that will last for 5 days were given to me to taking. I was told to eat before taking the drugs and then advised to retire home. The Samaritan bike rider had not left the hospital. “Pa I wanted to be certain that some treatment was done to your wound before I could leave”. He asked me where I lived and it was just some two kilometres away. He offered to carry me home. When I arrived home with a shirt soaked with blood, my first son fumed with anger as to why did not call. Thank God, the Bike rider was there to tell him that his Dad and even nurses at the hospital tried to reach all them but none of the numbers were responding. But my son added “my girl friend just called me not up to three minutes ago how comes it that my Dad who is almost dying could not reach me” as he led me to my room but I offered to lie on the suffer in the parlour. Before I could wake up the next morning, my left side of the head has swollen and my left eye was almost closed. I ran back to hospital and the Nurses told me no to worry because what happened was the effect of the shock and that all will be fine in the next couple of days. I returned home and continued taking the drugs and truly to what the nurses said things started becoming normal. I went to see my boss and good friend at an NGO where I was volunteering to inform her that I should be in the office in a couple of days. When I returned home I discovered I had difficulties opening my mouth normally and was frequently biting my tongue. I took a piece of paper and succinctly described what happened to a friend Doctor who prescribed some drugs. My Daughter who went there with the letter bought but one of the drug and we needed FCFA 20000 to buy the remaining drugs. It was there that I sent her to my boss to raise the money so that I could buy the drugs. My daughter presented the letter I wrote to the Doctor. My boss seized the letter and told my daughter that “your father that I know is a journalist, what does he know in medicine to be sitting in his room and writing thinks to Doctors. Is he a medical laboratory technician?” My boss instead pulled out FCFA 5000 and gave it to my daughter, gave her cell phone number and told her to go and take me to the hospital immediately and then call her to inform her in which hospital they were. Before my daughter returned, I had gone to have a bath the little water I dropped on my head so as to soap it cause me to loose breath immediately. I ran out of the bath room naked, knocked at the door of my second son furiously but he had left. I ran into the parlour naked and fell on the ground in front of my last son who in confusion stood and was watching at what was happening to his dad. The three children of my sister that came holidaying watched the scene in awe. I could neither breath through the mouth nor the nose. My world was coming to and end but something told me to take the table cloth and wipe my head, which I did. I then started breathing again. I asked my son to go to the bath room and bring my towel which I used inn cleansing my body. As I laid to rest, my daughter returned and said that my boss has instructed that I should be taken to the hospital. I told her that I needed money for drugs not the hospital, my first son who followed the discussion from his room swooped in. I read see anger on his face when he told me that “Papa wake and let us take you to the hospital as instructed” I was taken to the Military Hospital (noted for the hospitality and less avaricious nature of its staff). When we arrived, the female Doctor placed her working instrument and tested my two nerve centres. I saw her carry her hands on her head and screamed that I had Tetanus. She ordered that two anti-tetanus drugs should be administered on me immediately. This was done and I was told that I’ll be hospitalized and certain laboratory exams were prescribed. My daughter returned to my boss and came back with money for the test that could be carried out at sites out of the military hospital. We went for the exams and when we returned I was assigned into a room that was a mosquito abbot. My son screamed that my dad cannot sleep with mosquitoes. He invited my daughters and my niece out for consultation. A few minutes later he came back and told me that “we have decided that you are not going to sleep here under theses mosquitoes we’ll get back home and reach for another hospital”. The y went to see the Doctor or my medical card and the lady refused saying that I had slept on the bed for more thirty minutes and must pay for that time. My kids abandoned the document with her and came along with the test reports. They did not a priori inform my boss of their action as my boss was making contacts with military hierarchy so that I am lodged comfortably. Before I could warm a seat at my home, my boss swooped in accompanied by a colleague and ordered me to stand up and enter her vehicle and she drove me to a very comfortable private clinic. The Doctor said over the phone that I should lie and he will take care of me in the morning when he arrives but that if things appeared abnormal, he could be called. I laid down inn the room and started to read a book while my son was at the waiting room iterneting on his lap top. My bathroom incident came back but this time more violently. I had bitten my tongue and blood was oozing out. I could not breathe again and jumped to the waiting room where my son (Emmanuel) was. When he saw he jumped and held me below my arms (just by mere intuition). If he had folded my arms, I would have been no more on this earth. This lasted for almost 7 to 9 minutes. In the main time, I walked in dream toward a crowd of people, some were playing draughts, some eating and others playing music while some were playing some other games. As I moved towards that crowd, an old tall and bulky old mum asked where I was going to and I told her that I was going to join the group. She told me that “nobody wants you here”. I stubbornly continued walking towards the crow and she raised and big walking can and tried to hit me with it. It was then that I ran back and started breathing again. I sat down and discovered that I was constantly biting my tongue. I decided to take a spoon and the sound of the bite scared my son and even the nurses. It is then that my boss friend called the special services of the Laquintine Hospital to come with a specialized vehicle to that hospital that was more equipped to handle my case. Surprisingly, when we arrived at Laquintine Hospital, the medics there instead gave credits to the nurses of my former clinic for have the smart idea of putting a spoon in my mouth not knowing that it was done by me. Dr Nkeng examined me and said that my situation was worse than people were seeing. I over heard him telling a nurses that if I survived the next two hours then I should consider myself lucky. Then I saw my boss-friend crying and asking me where I was going to. “Do you know that we have a lot to do together in next coming days?” She did not only do that, but did inform my professional colleagues of my situation and aroused prayer groups of Christian Scientists around the world. Honestly, I wasn’t a member of the Christian Science but I have decided to become one. Why? Dr Nkeng called me into his office a day before I was discharged to inquire where I was from and how old I really was. When I gave my Identity card, he told me “big brother, I am certain that you 56 (my real age) or more years” And to add, or the numbers of years that I have been heading this service, I have never received some one of your sickness status survived” He said that he was going to use my medical file (he also took samples of my urine) and carry out a study to determine how my body resisted such an attack.” He pulled a note of FCFA 2000 and gave me (a rare case from Doctors who are fun of receiving only). As I was leaving his office he told me that what happened to me was like say some one throw a bomb, the bomb explodes at you and you remain intact I replied that “I was saved by prayers made by many people around the world and the good services provided by his staff” I was administered 73 drips and 63 anti-tetanus were injected on my buttocks not counting other drinkables.. All this was possible thanks to your generosity and prayers from Cameroon, Canada, US, Kenya and South Africa. When I returned to my house, people were coming and looking at me not to sympathize, for many I was like an object in a zoo as news has gone that ‘Nyangkwe is gone” What happened to me is God’s love to all of you. With Love from Aaron . -- Aaron Agien Nyangkwe Journalist-OutCome Mapper C/o P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Tue Sep 20 07:53:06 2011 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:53:06 +0200 Subject: [governance] China wants international code of conduct on internet, etc. (Letter to SG) Message-ID: <4E787EA2.8020901@apc.org> See attached letter. Anriette ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A-66-359 China Russia Tajik Uzbek letter to SG on info security.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 38253 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Sep 20 08:47:01 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:47:01 -0300 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> , Message-ID: <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to you and not to the list when sending their personal data. fraternal regards --c.a. On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > are no hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > forth and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 10:53:14 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:23:14 -0430 Subject: [governance] Are we meeting the challenges of bringing content and access to the world? WS 101 Sept. 27 Message-ID: ACCESS WORKSHOP #101 SEPTEMBER 27, 9:00AM to 10:30AM, WORKSHOP ROOM 4 BACKGROUND PAPER “*Are we meeting the challenges of bringing content and access to the world?”* - *Ambassador Philip Verveer will open the workshop* - *Vladimir Radunovic, DiploFoundation will Moderate the workshop* *WE WILL EXPLORE THE DRIVERS OF ACCESS…* - *We will hear from leading “in the field” experts on; Mobile Medicine/Remote Health Care over the internet* - *We will highlight Education as a key driver of Access and have a Senior global broadband industry official discuss their company’s ongoing commitment to this important Access Driver* - *We will have front line experts, Senior Officials, focusing on: Mobile Banking/Mobile Payments and their importance as drives of Access* - *We will have a Senior Official global infrastructure expert discussing the explosion in demand for broadband * - *We will have a Senior Official from one of the global leaders in content creation and distribution on hand to discuss how content drives access* - *We will have infrastructure build out experts discussing the real time challenges of building out connectivity in developing countries, in developing adaptive business models, and discussing what barriers their companies have encounter* - *Finally, we will hear success stories from ISPs around the world as they continue to grow and provide valuable services to their communities. * *Panel Participants:* Pankaj Gupta, Principal Consultant and Global Head of Sales and Delivery, TCS Bright Simons, Strategy Consultant, mPedigree, Kristin Peterson, Co-Founder and CEO, inveneo Virat Bhatia, President, External Affairs South Asia, AT&T (remote participant) Robert Pepper, Vice President Global Technology Policy, Cisco Snehar Shah, Head Orange Money, Orange Mobile, TelkomKenya Betty Mwangi-Thuo, General Manager, Financial Services, Safaricom Bevil Wooding, Chief Knowledge Officer of Congress WBN Dorothy Attwood, Senior VP Global Public Policy, The Walt Disney Company Jacquelynn Ruff, Vice President International Public Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Verizon Christoph Steck, Director Public Policy, Telefonica Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 11:31:17 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:01:17 -0430 Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen Message-ID: If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the solutions. Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual remote participants. Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation that emerge during the workshop. The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.' Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is important. Let us know! 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Tue Sep 20 12:06:18 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:06:18 +0200 Subject: [governance] China wants international code of conduct on internet, etc. (Letter to SG) In-Reply-To: <4E787EA2.8020901@apc.org> References: <4E787EA2.8020901@apc.org> Message-ID: <497E7BBC-590F-4FC1-A110-FECFF54310EF@christopherwilkinson.eu> http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/57-53.pdf http://www.unidir.org/pdf/activites/pdf2-act82.pdf Good evening: It would appear that these matters have been under discussion in the UN context for at least the past decade. What conclusions might one draw . . . CW On 20 Sep 2011, at 13:53, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > See attached letter. > > Anriette > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A-66-359 China Russia Tajik Uzbek letter to SG on info security.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38253 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:29:36 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: I agree. Issues are: 1. Privacy; 2. Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... 3. It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has expired now? Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to > you and not to the list when sending their personal data. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > All > > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > > are no hussles whatsoever. > > > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > > process. > > > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > > thursday. > > > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > > > Kind Regards > > Grace > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > > forth and rule the World! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > > > > Colleagues > > > > Greetings. > > > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > > email me the following details: > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > > > Rgds > > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > > ACADEMIE DES TIC > > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > > At-Large Member > > NCSG Member > > > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com email%3Abaudouin.schombe at gmail.com> > > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > > > tél:+243998983491 > > skype:b.schombe > > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From briceabba at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:45:34 2011 From: briceabba at hotmail.com (Brice Abba) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:45:34 +0000 Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ginger, Is this workshop open for all, or we need to register somewhere first ? regards Brice ABBA Ingénieur en Sciences InformatiquesAdmin Système SAFRAN MORPHOResp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT mob: (+225)-08-607-228 fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 From: gpaque at gmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:01:17 -0430 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the solutions. Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual remote participants. Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation that emerge during the workshop. The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.' Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links that will be available at www.intgovforum.org during the IGF, from 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is important. Let us know! Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:19:44 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:19:44 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net>,,,,<4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca>, Message-ID: No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is not convinient but please bear with me. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted I agree. Issues are: Privacy; Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has expired now? Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to you and not to the list when sending their personal data. fraternal regards --c.a. On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > are no hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > forth and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:22:02 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this list. Just names and countries should be fine. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list > with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is > not convinient but please bear with me. > > Rgds > > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > > > I agree. Issues are: > > > 1. Privacy; > 2. Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... > 3. It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list > > I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has > expired now? > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to > you and not to the list when sending their personal data. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > All > > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > > are no hussles whatsoever. > > > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > > process. > > > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > > thursday. > > > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > > > Kind Regards > > Grace > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > > forth and rule the World! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > > > > Colleagues > > > > Greetings. > > > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > > email me the following details: > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > > > Rgds > > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > > ACADEMIE DES TIC > > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > > At-Large Member > > NCSG Member > > > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com email%3Abaudouin.schombe at gmail.com> > > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > > > tél:+243998983491 > > skype:b.schombe > > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA Tue Sep 20 15:22:40 2011 From: DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA (Thompson, Darlene) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:22:40 +0000 Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DB4247@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation? Thanks, D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Paque Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM To: I G List Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict we live in - what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide - dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the solutions. Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual remote participants. Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation that emerge during the workshop. The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.' Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links that will be available at www.intgovforum.org during the IGF, from 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is important. Let us know! Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:34:39 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:34:39 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net>,,,,<4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca>,,, Message-ID: Sala That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the letter comes that way. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this list. Just names and countries should be fine. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is not convinient but please bear with me. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted I agree. Issues are: Privacy; Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has expired now? Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to you and not to the list when sending their personal data. fraternal regards --c.a. On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > are no hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > forth and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:42:13 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:12:13 -0430 Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DB4247@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DB4247@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> Message-ID: All of the sessions on the programme should have RP. If you have any difficulties, just ping me on Skype, we can work it out! Cheers... see you online! Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 20 September 2011 14:52, Thompson, Darlene wrote: > Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > D**** > > ** ** > > Darlene A. Thompson**** > > Community Access Program Administrator**** > > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** > > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** > > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** > > Phone: (867) 975-5631**** > > Fax: (867) 975-5610**** > > E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** > > ** ** > > *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On > Behalf Of *Ginger Paque > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM > *To:* I G List > > *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our > communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict > we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – > dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and > inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the > strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. > E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, > ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real > problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the > solutions. **** > > Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), > the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the > digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are > various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the > divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who > cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 > participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by > Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where > e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple > as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made > concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote > participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now > delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and > workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year > for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage > input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, > over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to > the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual > remote participants.**** > > Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical > structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that > should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be > held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants > and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation > in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation > that emerge during the workshop.**** > > The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later > discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all > panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants > and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to > hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop > is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) > 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to > ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.'**** > > Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in > Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links > that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from 27-30 > September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the > discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital > divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for > international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is > important. Let us know!**** > > **** > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** > > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:42:39 +1200 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Grace, If i could please make a suggestion, when you receive that letter, could you kindly make a copy of the original and in the copy, ink out my numbers please. I apologise for the inconvenience. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Sala > That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with > all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already > cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as > it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the > letter comes that way. > > > Rgds > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 > > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > > > Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this > list. Just names and countries should be fine. > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list > with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is > not convinient but please bear with me. > > Rgds > > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > > > I agree. Issues are: > > > 1. Privacy; > 2. Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... > 3. It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list > > I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has > expired now? > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to > you and not to the list when sending their personal data. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > All > > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > > are no hussles whatsoever. > > > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > > process. > > > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > > thursday. > > > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > > > Kind Regards > > Grace > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > > forth and rule the World! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > > > > Colleagues > > > > Greetings. > > > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > > email me the following details: > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > > > Rgds > > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > > ACADEMIE DES TIC > > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > > At-Large Member > > NCSG Member > > > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com email%3Abaudouin.schombe at gmail.com> > > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > > > tél:+243998983491 > > skype:b.schombe > > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 15:54:40 2011 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:54:40 +0500 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Hi Grace, maybe you can email the letter individually to all the people that are on that letter? How soon is the letter expected? Thanks in advance Fouad On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Sala > That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with > all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already > cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as > it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the > letter comes that way. > > Rgds > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 16:12:04 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:12:04 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net>,,,,<4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca>,,,,, Message-ID: Fouad Maybe the letter will be out tomorrow evening. I have over 35 names and the letter might be one. I dont see them producing a single letter for everyone. Please bear with me and understand that this is not the only task that I am handling. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:54:40 +0500 > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > CC: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > > Hi Grace, maybe you can email the letter individually to all the > people that are on that letter? > > How soon is the letter expected? > > Thanks in advance > > Fouad > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > Sala > > That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with > > all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already > > cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as > > it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the > > letter comes that way. > > > > Rgds > > Grace > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > > and rule the World! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 16:18:06 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:18:06 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net>,,,,<4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca>,,,,, Message-ID: Sala Everyone will be making a copy of the letter. I cannot do what you are asking me to do as it will raise issues with the immigrations since it will definately appear tampered with. Remember th same list will be at JKIA when you arrive for confirmation. My suggestion is that I remove your name from the list so that you have no fears whatsoever of anyone getting to know your passport number. What do you think? Let me know cause this is an additional list I am submitting tomorrow morning. I already submitted a fast one this morning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:42:39 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted Grace, If i could please make a suggestion, when you receive that letter, could you kindly make a copy of the original and in the copy, ink out my numbers please. I apologise for the inconvenience. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Sala That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the letter comes that way. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this list. Just names and countries should be fine. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is not convinient but please bear with me. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted I agree. Issues are: Privacy; Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has expired now? Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to you and not to the list when sending their personal data. fraternal regards --c.a. On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > are no hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > forth and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 16:19:11 2011 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:19:11 +0500 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Hi Grace, Hey, sorry for the confusion. I meant not the send that one letter with everyone's info on the Mailing list. But instead, forward that one letter with all the names to individual emails of the people requesting that support :o) Of course I didn't mean send individually named letters ;o) Take care dear!!! Fouad On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > Fouad > Maybe the letter will be out tomorrow evening. I have over 35 names and the > letter might be one. I dont see them producing a single letter for > everyone. Please bear with me and understand that this is not the only task > that I am handling. > > Rgds > Grace > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:54:40 +0500 >> Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted >> From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com >> CC: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; ca at cafonso.ca; >> baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke >> >> Hi Grace, maybe you can email the letter individually to all the >> people that are on that letter? >> >> How soon is the letter expected? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Fouad >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Grace Githaiga >> wrote: >> > Sala >> > That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter >> > with >> > all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already >> > cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the >> > letter as >> > it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if >> > the >> > letter comes that way. >> > >> > Rgds >> > Grace >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life >> > is >> > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go >> > forth >> > and rule the World! > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa Internet Governance Advisor ICT4D Social Practitioner & Researcher Member Multistakeholder Advisory Group (IGF) Member Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) My Blog: Internet's Governance: http://internetsgovernance.blogspot.com/ Follow my Tweets: http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa MAG Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 16:30:46 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:30:46 +1200 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: <4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net> <4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Firstly, Grace, I should thank you for taking the time to communicate with Immigration. I suppose I should not have any issues since Fiji and Kenya international relations allow me to come into the country freely (fingers crossed). ;) I agree with Fouad's proposal. I am surprised that inking out a *copy* of a document constitutes tempering. Privacy is a right normally afforded to people. I agree, if the information is going to be distributed into the Public list *please* remove my name. I will explain the rationale of my not wanting the information disclosed on the public mailing list. With all that I have been exposed to in cyber security, people can use one's Passport Number to gain access into information about one that could not only jeapordise one's personal information, compromise bank accounts and even gain access if they knew what they were doing into any association or affiliated organisations networks. In Australia, alone it was recently reported that it is estimated that cyber crimes costs the Australian economy AUD 1 Million, see: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10752093 For most jurisdictions passport numbers are similar to National Identity Numbers and as such are linked to a host of other databases. Best Regards, Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Sala > Everyone will be making a copy of the letter. I cannot do what you > are asking me to do as it will raise issues with the immigrations since it > will definately appear tampered with. Remember th same list will be at JKIA > when you arrive for confirmation. My suggestion is that I remove your > name from the list so that you have no fears whatsoever of anyone getting to > know your passport number. What do you think? > > Let me know cause this is an additional list I am submitting tomorrow > morning. I already submitted a fast one this morning. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:42:39 +1200 > > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > > Grace, > > If i could please make a suggestion, when you receive that letter, could > you kindly make a copy of the original and in the copy, ink out my numbers > please. I apologise for the inconvenience. > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > Sala > That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with > all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already > cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as > it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the > letter comes that way. > > > Rgds > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 > > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > > > Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this > list. Just names and countries should be fine. > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list > with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is > not convinient but please bear with me. > > Rgds > > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 > From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke > Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted > > > I agree. Issues are: > > > 1. Privacy; > 2. Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... > 3. It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list > > I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has > expired now? > > Sala > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to > you and not to the list when sending their personal data. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > > All > > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > > are no hussles whatsoever. > > > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > > process. > > > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > > thursday. > > > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > > > Kind Regards > > Grace > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > > forth and rule the World! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > > > > Colleagues > > > > Greetings. > > > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > > email me the following details: > > > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > > > Rgds > > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > > ACADEMIE DES TIC > > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > > At-Large Member > > NCSG Member > > > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com email%3Abaudouin.schombe at gmail.com> > > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > > > tél:+243998983491 > > skype:b.schombe > > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 16:55:56 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:55:56 +0000 Subject: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted In-Reply-To: References: ,<4E73F306.9080602@itforchange.net>,,,,<4E788B45.8070906@cafonso.ca>,,,,,,, Message-ID: Ok. Done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:30:46 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted Firstly, Grace, I should thank you for taking the time to communicate with Immigration. I suppose I should not have any issues since Fiji and Kenya international relations allow me to come into the country freely (fingers crossed). ;) I agree with Fouad's proposal. I am surprised that inking out a copy of a document constitutes tempering. Privacy is a right normally afforded to people. I agree, if the information is going to be distributed into the Public list please remove my name. I will explain the rationale of my not wanting the information disclosed on the public mailing list. With all that I have been exposed to in cyber security, people can use one's Passport Number to gain access into information about one that could not only jeapordise one's personal information, compromise bank accounts and even gain access if they knew what they were doing into any association or affiliated organisations networks. In Australia, alone it was recently reported that it is estimated that cyber crimes costs the Australian economy AUD 1 Million, see: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10752093 For most jurisdictions passport numbers are similar to National Identity Numbers and as such are linked to a host of other databases. Best Regards, Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Sala Everyone will be making a copy of the letter. I cannot do what you are asking me to do as it will raise issues with the immigrations since it will definately appear tampered with. Remember th same list will be at JKIA when you arrive for confirmation. My suggestion is that I remove your name from the list so that you have no fears whatsoever of anyone getting to know your passport number. What do you think? Let me know cause this is an additional list I am submitting tomorrow morning. I already submitted a fast one this morning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:42:39 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted Grace, If i could please make a suggestion, when you receive that letter, could you kindly make a copy of the original and in the copy, ink out my numbers please. I apologise for the inconvenience. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Sala That might be a tall order because Immigrations generates one letter with all the names and passport numbers but not nationality. We have already cleared a group that is here for Pre-IGF event. I have to scan the letter as it is. Please understand that I am not able to remove your numbers if the letter comes that way. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:22:02 +1200 Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: ca at cafonso.ca; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Thanks Grace, as long as you keep our passport numbers aware from this list. Just names and countries should be fine. Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: No problem but when the clearance is done, they might generate one list with all the names. In that case I will post it on this list. I know it is not convinient but please bear with me. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:36 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca CC: ggithaiga at hotmail.com; baudouin.schombe at gmail.com; david at kenic.or.ke Subject: Re: [governance] List for visa assistance submitted I agree. Issues are: Privacy; Identity theft possibilities - you never know.... It is administrative/logistics and can be done off list I am also grateful that the offer to help is on the table, I suppose it has expired now? Sala On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: Dear Grace, in addition, let me suggest that people write directly to you and not to the list when sending their personal data. fraternal regards --c.a. On 09/20/2011 05:59 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > All > I finally got over 30 names needing visa facilitation. Those of you > coming from the US and Europe will secure your visas on arrival. There > are no hussles whatsoever. > > There are also others who can secure the visas on arrival....But if you > are from Afganistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Cameroun,Democratic Peoples of > Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Kosovo, Lebanon, Mali, Palestine, Senegal, Somali, > Syria and Tajikistan, then you may have to go through a more rigorous > process. > > If you are from any of these and have given me your name, then it > will be okay because we have requested the Immigration to facilitate > this process. I hope to have feedback for you either tomorrow evening or > thursday. > > Thanks for your cooperation. Pls note that if you send your name after > today, I might not be able to follow up. That is why I had requested > that you give me your names by yesterday evening. > > Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life > is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go > forth and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:45:54 +0100 > Subject: Re: [governance] IGF in Nairobi. Do you need visa assistance? > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > > 2011/9/17 Grace Githaiga > > > Colleagues > > Greetings. > > This is to let you know that we are now in touch with the > immigrations officials in Kenya on the visa issue. They would like > the IGF secretariat in Kenya to compile a list of those who have not > gotten a visa (if you belong to a country that requires this) and > would need facilitation. I am compiling a list for them and would > request that anyone who thinks they need this facilitation to kindly > email me the following details: > > 1. Name as it appears on passport: Baudouin SCHOMBE > 2. Passport number: OB0093228 > 3 Nationality: congolese > > We will submit this list on tuesday morning to the department of > Immigration. I therefore would like to request those needing > facilitation to provide me with their details latest monday evening. > > Rgds > Grace on behalf of Kenya IGF steering committee. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. > Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we > are in. Go forth and rule the World! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com > baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Sep 21 00:52:00 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:22:00 +0530 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> On Sunday 18 September 2011 05:05 PM, William Drake wrote: > Hi Marilia > > I'm glad to see this initiative finally coming out into the sunlight, > as there hasn't been much publicly accessible information on what you > folks have been up to. "what you folks have been up to!!!" Bill, you are holding your nose, rather than do a discussion, but lets get on.... (the hegemony of discourse, with the 'obvious' good world/people versus evil world/ people distinctions) > I've raised it at several events, including a WSIS Forum workshop I > organized (which included Alvaro from the Brazilian government), but > have been unable to elicit much discussion from any side. No idea, what you wanted to elicit and what was Alvaro and others not forthcoming about. As you know, Brazilians sponsored a main session on enhanced cooperation at the IGF, when i really dont remember any special enthusiasm for such a discussion of many civil society members who now seem outraged that developing countries dont want to discuss Internet-related public policy mechanisms openly... This is entirely a made up thing.... Instead, who did not want to discuss what kind of things openly at the IGF, and which government were their supporters, if often publicly silent, is rather well known. > While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, When OECD does it, it is 'policy making', and the civil society enthusiastically engages with it, when UN seeks to do it, it is 'control' . This is amusing!! The power of the discourse!! > the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and > dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the > proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems > require such a solution, Exactly the same problems that OECD, CoE etc think 'require a solution', and are intensively working on; to whose work in this area, there never seems to have been an objection. Every of their document speaks of urgent need of frameworks of principles, global agreements etc. The same problems, and similar sought solutions, just more democratic and inclusive..... I have thrown this challenge at 'you guys' - to borrow your term - often in this list but without response, and I repeat it. *On what basis do you oppose, say, if the EXACT mechanism that OECD follows in policy making, framework development, etc in the area of international internet-related public policies, with its exact mechanisms of multi-stakeholder participation also thrown in, was to instituted in the UN.... which simply means it would be democratic, a prime civil society value, i would think......* It is by answering clearly such direct questions, and getting into a full debate over them that constitutes openness and transparency, not just by using the power of the dominant discourse and vocabulary to condemn others to evilness of being closed and non-transparent, and arrogating to oneself all the corresponding good qualities.... parminder > how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, > how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, > and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect > to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the > table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would > be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the > merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and > into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >> >> 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to >> take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing >> IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about >> IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. >> I hope you will be there to raise your issues. > > There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to > raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating > with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in GIG > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 > , > which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian > government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and > Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, > Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have > to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA > proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Sep 21 02:00:37 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:30:37 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7629E0.4040204@eff.org> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <4E7629E0.4040204@eff.org> Message-ID: <4E797D85.6080601@itforchange.net> Dear Katitza On Sunday 18 September 2011 10:56 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > Hi Parminder, > > We have shout loudly when we do not agree with issues at the OECD. > Here is a summary of other post other NGOs have written about. > http://csisac.org/2011/06/csisac_declines_to_support_oec.php "We'' havent shouted at their *process* of, or the very effort at, international policy making in the area of IG.... That 'process' issue is the one under discussion, not the selective disagreements with some substantive issues. I hope the distinction appears clear. With regard to a possible UN role, we are still at establishing a 'process'. The question of substantive issues havent arisen. Though the IBSA statement of Dec 2011 does identify the following kinds of issues. To quote " Apart from technical aspects, the discussion on Internet governance has several critical public policy implications that necessitate the involvement of governments. These include among others, issues such as stability of the internet; interoperability; accessibility and openness (costs and human rights); network neutrality; access to knowledge and the balanced approach between openess, security and privacy aspects of the Internet; cybersecurity and the ICTs (as they relate to the Internet) and development nexus. A central issue in Internet governance is the management of Critical Internet Resources. " (Remember, network neutrality and access to knowledge fail to make it to OECD's policy principle documents. So, yes, there will be good points and bad points in each forum and civil society will have to take positions accordingly. Democratic nature of the forum itself is however a meta, and prior, point, and is of course independently very important.) However, as and when a democratic UN system does begin to take note of substantive international Internet-related public policy issues, I have do doubt that some such issues and positions will come up on which civil society will have to fight hard against, do all kinds of protests, walk outs, campaigns and other forms of advocacy and direct action,etc, one example of which in the OECD context you speak about above. Hope this clarifies. Parminder > > Copyright is also one of the issues at stake in this overall mess. :) > > Best, > > Katitza > On 9/18/11 10:22 AM, Roland Perry wrote: >> In message <4E762233.9020601 at itforchange.net>, at 22:24:11 on Sun, 18 >> Sep 2011, parminder writes >>> On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes >>> out with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising >>> it first at the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal >>> and extra territorial IP enforcement regime) >> >> Actually, OECD had a workshop on that exact topic (if you mean the >> Liability of Intermediaries) at IGF last year. And of course civil >> society has their own representation at the table (CSISAC), even if >> they didn't agree with the communique issued by OECD earlier this year. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 02:55:42 2011 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:55:42 +0500 Subject: [governance] Re: critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E797D85.6080601@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <4E7629E0.4040204@eff.org> <4E797D85.6080601@itforchange.net> Message-ID: In all this discussion, I was wondering that didn't any of the CS groups like APC or NIC.br participate in the IBSA activity or was any statement issued from that end in lieu of these IBSA statements? Another small thing that comes to mind is that despite this silo treatment of IG related issues during IBSA, can govts really have different positions on the same issue in so different global forums? -- FoodaByte? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, parminder wrote: > Dear Katitza > > On Sunday 18 September 2011 10:56 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote: > > Hi Parminder, > > We have shout loudly when we do not agree with issues at the OECD. Here is a > summary of other post other NGOs have written about. > http://csisac.org/2011/06/csisac_declines_to_support_oec.php > > "We'' havent shouted at their *process* of, or the very effort at, > international policy making in the area of IG.... That 'process' issue is > the one under discussion, not the selective disagreements with some > substantive issues. I hope the distinction appears clear. > > With regard to a possible UN role, we are still at establishing a 'process'. > The question of substantive issues havent arisen. Though the IBSA statement > of Dec 2011 does identify the following kinds of issues. To quote > >        " Apart from technical aspects, the discussion on Internet governance > has several critical public policy implications that necessitate the > involvement of governments. These include among others, issues such as > stability of the internet; interoperability; accessibility and openness > (costs and human rights); network neutrality; access to knowledge and the > balanced approach between openess, security and privacy aspects of the > Internet; cybersecurity and the ICTs (as they relate to the Internet) and > development nexus. A central issue in Internet governance is the management > of Critical Internet Resources. " > > (Remember, network neutrality and access to knowledge fail to make it to > OECD's policy principle documents. So, yes, there will be good points and > bad points in each forum and civil society will have to take positions > accordingly. Democratic nature of the forum itself is however a meta, and > prior, point, and is of course independently very important.) > > However, as and when a democratic UN system does begin to take note of > substantive international Internet-related public policy issues, I have do > doubt that some such issues and positions will come up on which civil > society will have to fight hard against, do all kinds of protests, walk > outs, campaigns and other forms of advocacy and direct action,etc, one > example of which in the OECD context you speak about above. Hope this > clarifies. > > Parminder > > > > Copyright is also one of the issues at stake in this overall mess. :) > > Best, > > Katitza > On 9/18/11 10:22 AM, Roland Perry wrote: > > In message <4E762233.9020601 at itforchange.net>, at 22:24:11 on Sun, 18 Sep > 2011, parminder writes > > On the other hand, Milton why does it not surprise you when US comes out > with the International strategy for cyberspace without raising it first at > the IGF, ditto for OECD (shaping a bold new extra legal and extra > territorial IP enforcement regime) > > Actually, OECD had a workshop on that exact topic (if you mean the Liability > of Intermediaries) at IGF last year. And of course civil society has their > own representation at the table (CSISAC), even if they didn't agree with the > communique issued by OECD earlier this year. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 08:57:28 2011 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:57:28 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> Message-ID: Hi, sorry for taking time to reply. > There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to raise > it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating with Emily > Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in GIG > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178, > which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian government > will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and Fiona (plus others > here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, Patrik..). So let's get > it out in the open and hear what people have to say either way. While such > a debate will be divisive, a UN GA proposal that hasn't been openly debated > would be much more so. > > Certainly! I will be there at wks 178. I would also like to call your attention to a workshop devoted to the topic of EC and how it can be linked with the IGF: Workshop 182 Global Internet related public policies – Is there an Institutional Gap? It will take place on Friday, 09:30. Description: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=182 It would be really great to count on you there. Best, Marília > Cheers, > > Bill > > > *************************************************** > William J. Drake > International Fellow > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > University of Zurich, Switzerland > william.drake at uzh.ch > www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > www.williamdrake.org > **************************************************** > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nyangkweagien at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 09:28:20 2011 From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:28:20 +0200 Subject: [governance] Thanks to all of You for Your show of Love during my recent agony Message-ID: Dear all I can understand that still being uber cionvalescence, I could scriblle some misunderstanding things as my earlier posting about the hell fire that I just went through attested. Please find below a clearer version With Love Aaron Thanks to all of You for Your show of Love during my recent agony Love and real solidarity can make wonders as a lot of you have made me to realize during the couple of weeks that I almost quit this world after a motorcycle knocked me down and the deadly Tetanus took on its own to wipe me away from the list of the Cameroon’s population. Many of you showed your love for me materially and through prayers. Without you, there was no way I could have afforded the at least 25000 FCFA that was needed daily for my treatment. A treatment that was described by Dr Nkeng, the Specialist that took care of me (more on this later) at Laquintine Hospital,as exceptional. It was around 8:20 PM (Cameroon time) on August 13th, that I was returning home when a motorcycle without lights stroke me as I engaged to cross the road. No vehicle was circulating at that moment, I had ascertained, else one would have crushed me and possibly the motorcycle rider to dead. I sustained a big wound my head near my left ear. As I struggled to look for some piece of tissue to tie the wounded portion to stop the oozing blood, The Bike rider profited and escaped thus abandoning me to my fate. A Good Samaritan (bike rider co-incidentally) carried to a nearby hospital. The first question that the nurse asked me was “do you have money?” I turned and pointed to my right back pocket of my trousers. She pulled out a note of FCFA 10 000. And she responded in French that “he has money”. Before then, I tried to reach my children and family members to inform them of what happened to me. But the Cameroon mobile telephone network failed woefully that evening. Some Nurses offered to take the numbers and try the calls to no avail. I was conveyed into a room where about four injections were carried out around the wounded portion of my head. Thirteen stitches were later carried out and some drugs that will last for 5 days were given to me to taking. I was told to eat before taking the drugs and then advised to retire home. The Samaritan bike rider had not left the hospital. “Pa I wanted to be certain that some treatment was done to your wound before I could leave”. He asked me where I lived and it was just some two kilometres away. He offered to carry me home. When I arrived home with a shirt soaked with blood, my first son fumed with anger as to why did not call. Thank God, the Bike rider was there to tell him that his Dad and even nurses at the hospital tried to reach all them but none of the numbers were responding. But my son added “my girl friend just called me not up to three minutes ago how comes it that my Dad who is almost dying could not reach me” as he led me to my room but I offered to lie on the sofa in the parlour. Before I could wake up the next morning, my left side of the head has swollen and my left eye was almost closed. I ran back to hospital and the Nurses told me no to worry because what happened was the effect of the shock and that all will be fine in the next couple of days. I returned home and continued taking the drugs and truly to what the nurses said things started becoming normal. I went to see my boss and good friend at an NGO where I was volunteering to inform her that I should be in the office in a couple of days. When I returned home I discovered I had difficulties opening my mouth normally and was frequently biting my tongue. I took a piece of paper and succinctly described what happened to a friend Doctor who prescribed some drugs. My Daughter who went there with the letter bought but one of the drug and we needed FCFA 20000 to buy the remaining drugs. It was there that I sent her to my boss to raise the money so that I could buy the drugs. My daughter presented the letter I wrote to the Doctor. My boss seized the letter and told my daughter that “your father that I know is a journalist, what does he know in medicine to be sitting in his room and writing thinks to Doctors. Is he a medical laboratory technician?” My boss instead pulled out FCFA 5000 and gave it to my daughter, gave her cell phone number and told her to go and take me to the hospital immediately and then call her to inform her in which hospital they were. Before my daughter returned, I had gone to have a bath the little water I dropped on my head so as to soap it cause me to loose breath immediately. I ran out of the bath room naked, knocked at the door of my second son furiously but he had left. I ran into the parlour naked and fell on the ground in front of my last son who in confusion stood and was watching at what was happening to his dad. The three children of my sister that came holidaying watched the scene in awe. I could neither breath through the mouth nor the nose. My world was coming to and end but something told me to take the table cloth and wipe my head, which I did. I then started breathing again. I asked my son to go to the bath room and bring my towel which I used in cleansing my body. As I laid to rest, my daughter returned and said that my boss has instructed that I should be taken to the hospital. I told her that I needed money for drugs not the hospital, my first son who followed the discussion from his room swooped in. I read see anger on his face when he told me that “Papa wake up and let us take you to the hospital as instructed” I was taken to the Military Hospital (noted for the hospitality and less avaricious nature of its staff). When we arrived, the female Doctor placed her working instrument and tested my two nerve centres. I saw her carry her hands on her head and screamed that I had Tetanus. She ordered that two anti-tetanus drugs should be administered on me immediately. This was done and I was told that I’ll be hospitalized and certain laboratory exams were prescribed. My daughter returned to my boss and came back with money for the test that could be carried out at sites out of the military hospital. We went for the exams and when we returned I was assigned into a room that was a mosquito abbot. My son screamed that my dad cannot sleep with mosquitoes. He invited my daughters and my niece out for consultation. A few minutes later he came back and told me that “we have decided that you are not going to sleep here under theses mosquitoes we’ll get back home and reach for another hospital”. The y went to see the Doctor or my medical card and the lady refused saying that I had slept on the bed for more thirty minutes and must pay for that time. My kids abandoned the document with her and came along with the test reports. They did not a priori inform my boss of their action as my boss was making contacts with military hierarchy so that I am lodged comfortably. Before I could warm a seat at my home, my boss swooped in accompanied by a colleague and ordered me to stand up and enter her vehicle and she drove me to a very comfortable private clinic. The Doctor said over the phone that I should lie and he will take care of me in the morning when he arrives but that if things appeared abnormal, he could be called. I laid down inn the room and started to read a book while my son was at the waiting room iterneting on his lap top. My bathroom incident came back but this time more violently. I had bitten my tongue and blood was oozing out. I could not breathe again and jumped to the waiting room where my son (Emmanuel) was. When he saw he jumped and held me below my arms (just by mere intuition). If he had clamped my arms down, I would have been no more on this earth. This lasted for almost 7 to 9 minutes. In the main time, I walked in dream toward a crowd of people, some were playing draughts, some eating and others playing music while some were playing some other games. As I moved towards that crowd, an old tall and bulky old mum asked where I was going to and I told her that I was going to join the group. She told me that “nobody wants you here (in Pidgin English)”. I stubbornly continued walking towards the crowd and she raised and big walking can and tried to hit me with it. It was then that I ran back and started breathing again. I sat down and discovered that I was constantly biting my tongue. I decided to take a spoon put it handle in my mouth. The sound of the bite of the spoon handle scared my son and even the nurses. It is then that my boss-riend called the special services of the Laquintine Hospital to come with a specialized vehicle and carry me to that hospital that was more equipped to handle my case. Surprisingly, when we arrived at Laquintine Hospital, the medics there instead gave credits to the nurses of my former clinic for having the smart idea of putting a spoon in my mouth not knowing that it was done by me. Dr Nkeng examined me and said that my situation was worse than people were seeing. I over heard him telling a nurses that if I survived the next two hours then I should consider myself lucky. Then I saw my boss-friend crying and asking me where I was going to. “Do you know that we have a lot to do together in next coming days?” She did not only do that, but did inform my professional colleagues of my situation and aroused prayer groups of Christian Scientists around the world. Honestly, I wasn’t a member of the Christian Science but I have decided to become one. Why? Dr Nkeng called me into his office a day before I was discharged to inquire where I was from and how old I really was. When I gave him my Identity card, he told me “big brother, I am certain that you will live fore another 56 (my real age) or more years” And to add, for the numbers of years that I have been heading this service, I have never received some one of your sickness status and he survived” He said that he was going to use my medical file (he also took samples of my urine) and carry out a study to determine how my body resisted such an attack.” He pulled a note of FCFA 2000 and gave me (a rare case from Doctors who are fun of receiving only). As I was leaving his office he told me that what happened to me was like say some one threw a bomb, the bomb explodes at you and you remained intact I replied that “I was saved by prayers made by many people around the world and the good services provided by his staff” I was administered 73 drips and 63 anti-tetanus were injected on my buttocks not counting other drinkables.. All this was possible thanks to your generosity and prayers from Cameroon, Canada, US, Kenya and South Africa. When I returned to my house, people were coming and looking at me not to sympathize, for many I was like an object in a zoo as news has gone that ‘Nyangkwe is gone” What happened to me is God’s love to all of you. With Love from Aaron -- Aaron Agien Nyangkwe Journalist-OutCome Mapper C/o P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at uzh.ch Wed Sep 21 10:28:46 2011 From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:28:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> Message-ID: <8D8E0B57-DED5-4C93-B683-7C98F590BBE6@uzh.ch> Hi Marilia On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Hi, sorry for taking time to reply. > > > There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in GIG http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178, which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. > > Certainly! I will be there at wks 178. I would also like to call your attention to a workshop devoted to the topic of EC and how it can be linked with the IGF: > Workshop 182 Global Internet related public policies – Is there an Institutional Gap? > It will take place on Friday, 09:30. > Description: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=182 > It would be really great to count on you there. The schedule has you starting at 9:00, so you might want to get there a bit earlier ;-) Not great timing, this is just before the CIR main session and we might need to do some preparation etc, but of course it looks interesting and I'll try. BTW a point of general interest to attendees, due to the UN hours of the translators they've eliminated coffee breaks between main sessions, which alters start/stop times, so it'd be good to download the 16 Sept. version of the schedule if you haven't. Cheers Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers M > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Wed Sep 21 13:08:59 2011 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:08:59 +0200 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <4E7A1A2B.8000804@apc.org> Hello all I was at the the IBSA meeting in Brazil along with two other people from South Africa. Shaun Pather, an academic working on community informatics, and Mark Weinberg from the Right to Know Campaign. I have not had time to share my own thoughts.. or even write up the notes from my inputs at the Rio meeting. APC is having an internal discussion on the proposals with members but it will take a while for us to have a position on this. My own views (not APC's) are that the proposals should be considered as a really strong signal that current IG arrangements are just not working for developing country governments, including some that are committed to multi-stakeholder participation, and to the IGF, and who have been attending ICANN meetings for a long time. Some of these governments share a concern with many CSOs that the internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any tangible way. At the same time I have concerns - based on personal and political experience - about the implications for human rights, openness and for the participation of civil society, social entrepreneurs, hackers, developers etc. of more rigid institutionalisation of intergovernmental oversight of internet governance. I also have seen so many times that when governments argue about multi-stakeholder participation, or human rights, that even the ones are committed to it, will be willing to sacrifice it for the sake of other geo-political interests. I also wanted to respond to Parminder on civil society involvement in the OECD. My own involvement in CSISAC dates back to its formation at the Seoul meeting in 2008, but other civil society people have been working at OECD level for a long, long time, e.g. EDRI, EFF, EPIC, Privacy International and many others. My impression of civil society involvement in the OECD is very different from yours Parminder. I have never understood that it is seen as an endorsement of any kind. Yes, there is a recognition that the OECD has had a good track record on certain issues such as, for example, protection of personal privacy. To say civil society 'enthusiastically engages with it' does not describe my experience of it. It is hard work, with little resources, and requires a great deal of preparation and research. It is also quite tough because you have to lobby hard for your interests against people from the business sector that are really good at what they do, and incredibly well prepared and organised within their constituency. I have been really impressed by the CSISAC community's voluntary commitment and hard work to try and keep civil society voices heard in the OECD. It is not easy. Others should comment, but my sense was that the reason that CSOs like EPIC, EDRI, consumer groups and many others worked so hard to get recognition at OECD level was because they were concerned that the OECD was not systematically including civil society, resulting the views and interests of the other nongovernmental stakeholders like the technical community and businesses influencing OECD directives at the expense of the public interest and civil society concerns. In other words, it was a move to prevent bad decisions, rather than an endorsement of the OECD as the perfect model of international decision-making on the internet. The OECD like the UN and other international organisations have some really excellent people on staff who are generally very progressive and who do their best to ensure that 'pro-public interest' (for want of a better phrase) decisions are made. But this is no guarantee that in the end governments will not make decisions that they, or civil society for that matter, are not happy with as we have seen with regard to issues like intermediary liability and IPR protection in the 'internet governance principles' adopted in June 2011. The OECD exists, and it makes important decisions that are relevant to the progressive CSOs that have worked for many years in OECD countries to protect the public interest. That is why for them the OECD is a site of struggle.. and.. as OECD guidelines etc. are often picked up in other parts of the world it has also become an important site of struggle for civil society from developing countries. Anriette On 21/09/11 06:52, parminder wrote: [snip] > >> While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, > > When OECD does it, it is 'policy making', and the civil society > enthusiastically engages with it, when UN seeks to do it, it is > 'control' . This is amusing!! The power of the discourse!! > >> the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and >> dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the >> proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems >> require such a solution, > > Exactly the same problems that OECD, CoE etc think 'require a solution', > and are intensively working on; to whose work in this area, there never > seems to have been an objection. Every of their document speaks of > urgent need of frameworks of principles, global agreements etc. The same > problems, and similar sought solutions, just more democratic and > inclusive..... > > I have thrown this challenge at 'you guys' - to borrow your term - often > in this list but without response, and I repeat it. > > *On what basis do you oppose, say, if the EXACT mechanism that OECD follows > > in policy making, framework development, etc in the area of > international internet-related public policies, with its exact > mechanisms of multi-stakeholder participation also thrown in, > > was to instituted in the UN .... which simply means it would be > democratic, a prime civil society value, i would think......* > > It is by answering clearly such direct questions, and getting into a > full debate over them that constitutes openness and transparency, not > just by using the power of the dominant discourse and vocabulary to > condemn others to evilness of being closed and non-transparent, and > arrogating to oneself all the corresponding good qualities.... > > parminder > > > >> how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, >> how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, >> and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect >> to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the >> table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would >> be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the >> merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and >> into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >>> >>> 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to >>> take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing >>> IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about >>> IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. >>> I hope you will be there to raise your issues. >> >> There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to >> raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating >> with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in >> GIG http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 >> , >> which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian >> government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and >> Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, >> Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have >> to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA >> proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> >> >> *************************************************** >> William J. Drake >> International Fellow >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ >> University of Zurich, Switzerland >> william.drake at uzh.ch >> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >> >> www.williamdrake.org >> **************************************************** >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From miguel.alcaine at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 13:11:12 2011 From: miguel.alcaine at gmail.com (Miguel Alcaine) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:11:12 -0600 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and 2010) were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different structures of the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. I recall the time when EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in IGF and I also remember a more recent time when some people said there is nothing else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not lauched yet. I agree that some EC might have already happening. I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that Governments backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even knowing that any of you can show me other relevant paragraphs that talk about multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. Nevertheless, It is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the scope of EC and its construction to cover all actors. The possible link and complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by the GA resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications technologies for development ): *16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process towards enhanced cooperation and the convening of the Internet Governance Forum, are to be pursued by the Secretary-General through two distinct processes, and recognizes that the two processes may be complementary; * But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or an empty box that needs to be filled. It is an opportunity that people may take advantage either to define that complementarity or relationship or to declare by "not doing" that they are not related and possibly giving credibility to the idea that there is no need to do anything else regarding EC. Best, Miguel *Disclaimer* My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roland Perry < roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote: > The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/**e2009d92_en.pdf > > Including contributions from some invited respondents. > > There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of > responses from all ten: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/**e2009d92crp1_en.pdf > > This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced > CoOperation. > -- > Roland Perry > > ______________________________**______________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/**unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/**info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/**translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you all do me a favor and fill in the questionnaire and also promote the link in whatever ways you can? Any help greatly appreciated. http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/09/16/igf-participation-session Also, I am remote moderating another session on the Tuesday about how social media is impacting news. Have set up a similar page for that one too. Again, any help at all greatly appreciated: http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/09/20/media-in-mutation-igf-session Cheers, and see many of you next week Kieren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Wed Sep 21 13:43:25 2011 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:43:25 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com>, Message-ID: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410669F@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Sorry Miguel, Not to belabor point, but - Parminder is right. Frankly, the fumbling of the opportunity around whether to put EC more clearly in the IGF mandate has not been IGC's finest hour. OK, many governments, from North and South, back then were insisting EC was only for them. But yes many around IGC were basically, siding with them. Some of us, who if we bothered we can probably count on at most 2 hands, were actively warning folks that this was a strategic mistake, not just for IGC, and IGF, but really for the whole Internet community and all stakeholders, not to recognize the opportunity to use IGF as place for - dialogue on Enhanced Cooperation. (Milton I definitely will count, and not with...that finger ; ) Now that the consequences of that mistake are not to some folks liking - well too bad, democratically elected governments representing about 1.5 billion (or is it 1.6?) people have spoken up and will talk to GA and not IGC first. So now IGC, and IGF, can choose to play catch up in Kenya, and try to get with the real EC program, which of course, must involve more than just governments - as we IGCers should have always wished, right? Meaning the logic that claimed IGF could not be - part - of the EC dialogue never made sense, as of course we can pull up another paragraph from WSIS that offers an alternate interpretation of what governments 'in their respective roles' should be contributing, along with others, let's be honest. Now, complaining after the fact that governments of North or South aren't bowing to us on this, when we - blew it, big time, back then - well what do we expect? The world to wait for us to realize the net's not going away, and it kind of matters, in very major way, to the billions in the south who didn;t have seats at eg the IETF table when - technical - decisions were being made way back when? Lee (Speaking in my own capacity ie not for Milton or IGP; but maybe for my dual national Brazilian-US wife and kids : ) ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Alcaine [miguel.alcaine at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:11 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry Subject: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Dear colleagues, I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and 2010) were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different structures of the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. I recall the time when EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in IGF and I also remember a more recent time when some people said there is nothing else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not lauched yet. I agree that some EC might have already happening. I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that Governments backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even knowing that any of you can show me other relevant paragraphs that talk about multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. Nevertheless, It is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the scope of EC and its construction to cover all actors. The possible link and complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by the GA resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications technologies for development): 16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process towards enhanced cooperation and the convening of the Internet Governance Forum, are to be pursued by the Secretary-General through two distinct processes, and recognizes that the two processes may be complementary; But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or an empty box that needs to be filled. It is an opportunity that people may take advantage either to define that complementarity or relationship or to declare by "not doing" that they are not related and possibly giving credibility to the idea that there is no need to do anything else regarding EC. Best, Miguel Disclaimer My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roland Perry > wrote: The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92_en.pdf Including contributions from some invited respondents. There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of responses from all ten: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced CoOperation. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From miguel.alcaine at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 14:03:21 2011 From: miguel.alcaine at gmail.com (Miguel Alcaine) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:03:21 -0600 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7A1A2B.8000804@apc.org> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <4E7A1A2B.8000804@apc.org> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, I just want to highlight that the developing countries interested in IG matters are more precisely regional powers or emerging countries. There are many developing countries that don't understand what is in IG for them and why they should do anything about it. Using my own perceptions, I build the following table: Interest Number of countries 1 Very low 123 2 Low 6 3 Intermed 11 4 High 22 5 Very high 30 You can use your own perceptions in the worksheet attached or may be an academic can anchor the semantic scale and make this more elaborated Best, Miguel *Disclaimer* My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Hello all > > I was at the the IBSA meeting in Brazil along with two other people from > South Africa. Shaun Pather, an academic working on community > informatics, and Mark Weinberg from the Right to Know Campaign. > > I have not had time to share my own thoughts.. or even write up the > notes from my inputs at the Rio meeting. APC is having an internal > discussion on the proposals with members but it will take a while for us > to have a position on this. > > My own views (not APC's) are that the proposals should be considered as > a really strong signal that current IG arrangements are just not working > for developing country governments, including some that are committed to > multi-stakeholder participation, and to the IGF, and who have been > attending ICANN meetings for a long time. > > Some of these governments share a concern with many CSOs that the > internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy > is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any > tangible way. > > At the same time I have concerns - based on personal and political > experience - about the implications for human rights, openness and for > the participation of civil society, social entrepreneurs, hackers, > developers etc. of more rigid institutionalisation of intergovernmental > oversight of internet governance. I also have seen so many times that > when governments argue about multi-stakeholder participation, or human > rights, that even the ones are committed to it, will be willing to > sacrifice it for the sake of other geo-political interests. > > I also wanted to respond to Parminder on civil society involvement in > the OECD. My own involvement in CSISAC dates back to its formation at > the Seoul meeting in 2008, but other civil society people have been > working at OECD level for a long, long time, e.g. EDRI, EFF, EPIC, > Privacy International and many others. > > My impression of civil society involvement in the OECD is very different > from yours Parminder. I have never understood that it is seen as an > endorsement of any kind. Yes, there is a recognition that the OECD has > had a good track record on certain issues such as, for example, > protection of personal privacy. > > To say civil society 'enthusiastically engages with it' does not > describe my experience of it. It is hard work, with little resources, > and requires a great deal of preparation and research. It is also quite > tough because you have to lobby hard for your interests against people > from the business sector that are really good at what they do, and > incredibly well prepared and organised within their constituency. > > I have been really impressed by the CSISAC community's voluntary > commitment and hard work to try and keep civil society voices heard in > the OECD. It is not easy. > > Others should comment, but my sense was that the reason that CSOs like > EPIC, EDRI, consumer groups and many others worked so hard to get > recognition at OECD level was because they were concerned that the OECD > was not systematically including civil society, resulting the views and > interests of the other nongovernmental stakeholders like the technical > community and businesses influencing OECD directives at the expense of > the public interest and civil society concerns. > > In other words, it was a move to prevent bad decisions, rather than an > endorsement of the OECD as the perfect model of international > decision-making on the internet. > > The OECD like the UN and other international organisations have some > really excellent people on staff who are generally very progressive and > who do their best to ensure that 'pro-public interest' (for want of a > better phrase) decisions are made. But this is no guarantee that in the > end governments will not make decisions that they, or civil society for > that matter, are not happy with as we have seen with regard to issues > like intermediary liability and IPR protection in the 'internet > governance principles' adopted in June 2011. > > The OECD exists, and it makes important decisions that are relevant to > the progressive CSOs that have worked for many years in OECD countries > to protect the public interest. That is why for them the OECD is a site > of struggle.. and.. as OECD guidelines etc. are often picked up in other > parts of the world it has also become an important site of struggle for > civil society from developing countries. > > Anriette > > > On 21/09/11 06:52, parminder wrote: > > [snip] > > > >> While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, > > > > When OECD does it, it is 'policy making', and the civil society > > enthusiastically engages with it, when UN seeks to do it, it is > > 'control' . This is amusing!! The power of the discourse!! > > > >> the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and > >> dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the > >> proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems > >> require such a solution, > > > > Exactly the same problems that OECD, CoE etc think 'require a solution', > > and are intensively working on; to whose work in this area, there never > > seems to have been an objection. Every of their document speaks of > > urgent need of frameworks of principles, global agreements etc. The same > > problems, and similar sought solutions, just more democratic and > > inclusive..... > > > > I have thrown this challenge at 'you guys' - to borrow your term - often > > in this list but without response, and I repeat it. > > > > *On what basis do you oppose, say, if the EXACT mechanism that OECD > follows > > > > in policy making, framework development, etc in the area of > > international internet-related public policies, with its exact > > mechanisms of multi-stakeholder participation also thrown in, > > > > was to instituted in the UN .... which simply means it would be > > democratic, a prime civil society value, i would think......* > > > > It is by answering clearly such direct questions, and getting into a > > full debate over them that constitutes openness and transparency, not > > just by using the power of the dominant discourse and vocabulary to > > condemn others to evilness of being closed and non-transparent, and > > arrogating to oneself all the corresponding good qualities.... > > > > parminder > > > > > > > >> how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, > >> how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, > >> and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect > >> to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the > >> table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would > >> be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the > >> merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and > >> into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. > >> > >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >>> > >>> 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to > >>> take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing > >>> IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about > >>> IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. > >>> I hope you will be there to raise your issues. > >> > >> There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to > >> raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating > >> with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in > >> GIG > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 > >> < > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 > >, > >> which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian > >> government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and > >> Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, > >> Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have > >> to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA > >> proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> *************************************************** > >> William J. Drake > >> International Fellow > >> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ > >> University of Zurich, Switzerland > >> william.drake at uzh.ch > >> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake > >> > >> www.williamdrake.org > >> **************************************************** > >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems I failed. I was also an advocate of EC in its very dark beginning. Nevertheless, Governments negotiating EC in WSIS left out all other actors on purpose in that paragraph. Today, I do believe all other actors than Governments should make themselves heard and claim their space in building the EC process and the complementarity space or relationship between IGF and EC. Best, Miguel *Disclaimer* My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > Sorry Miguel, > > Not to belabor point, but - Parminder is right. > > Frankly, the fumbling of the opportunity around whether to put EC more > clearly in the IGF mandate has not been IGC's finest hour. > > OK, many governments, from North and South, back then were insisting EC was > only for them. > > But yes many around IGC were basically, siding with them. > > Some of us, who if we bothered we can probably count on at most 2 hands, > were actively warning folks that this was a strategic mistake, not just for > IGC, and IGF, but really for the whole Internet community and all > stakeholders, not to recognize the opportunity to use IGF as place for - > dialogue on Enhanced Cooperation. (Milton I definitely will count, and not > with...that finger ; ) > > Now that the consequences of that mistake are not to some folks liking - > well too bad, democratically elected governments representing about 1.5 > billion (or is it 1.6?) people have spoken up and will talk to GA and not > IGC first. > > So now IGC, and IGF, can choose to play catch up in Kenya, and try to get > with the real EC program, which of course, must involve more than just > governments - as we IGCers should have always wished, right? > > Meaning the logic that claimed IGF could not be - part - of the EC dialogue > never made sense, as of course we can pull up another paragraph from WSIS > that offers an alternate interpretation of what governments 'in their > respective roles' should be contributing, along with others, let's be > honest. > > Now, complaining after the fact that governments of North or South aren't > bowing to us on this, when we - blew it, big time, back then - well what do > we expect? The world to wait for us to realize the net's not going away, and > it kind of matters, in very major way, to the billions in the south who > didn;t have seats at eg the IETF table when - technical - decisions were > being made way back when? > > Lee > > (Speaking in my own capacity ie not for Milton or IGP; but maybe for my > dual national Brazilian-US wife and kids : ) > > > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of > Miguel Alcaine [miguel.alcaine at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:11 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry > Subject: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > Dear colleagues, > > I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and 2010) > were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different structures of > the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. > > I recall the time when EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in > IGF and I also remember a more recent time when some people said there is > nothing else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it > was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not lauched > yet. > > I agree that some EC might have already happening. > > I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the > WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC > in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. > > While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS > outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that Governments > backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even knowing that any of > you can show me other relevant paragraphs that talk about > multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. > > Nevertheless, It is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the > scope of EC and its construction to cover all actors. > > The possible link and complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by > the GA resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications > technologies for development< > http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N10/521/00/PDF/N1052100.pdf?OpenElement > >): > > 16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes of the > World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process towards > enhanced > cooperation and the convening of the Internet Governance Forum, are to be > pursued > by the Secretary-General through two distinct processes, and recognizes > that the two > processes may be complementary; > > > But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or an empty box that needs > to be filled. It is an opportunity that people may take advantage either to > define that complementarity or relationship or to declare by "not doing" > that they are not related and possibly giving credibility to the idea that > there is no need to do anything else regarding EC. > > Best, > > Miguel > > Disclaimer > My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my > employer or any other institution. > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roland Perry < > roland at internetpolicyagency.com> > wrote: > The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92_en.pdf > > Including contributions from some invited respondents. > > There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of > responses from all ten: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf > > This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced > CoOperation. > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 14:43:00 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:43:00 -0700 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <408115CA761E4E9FB88CA65D302F58CA@acer6e40e97492> Having just experienced Murphy's Law of the Internet v1 (computers breakdown only and as one has begun one's extended travel in places far away from one's computer service provider) I have had the opportunity of looking through this extended discussion in the cooler light of a post travel morning. I'm not sure that I have anything new to add to the arguments back and forth except perhaps to observe that whatever it's flaws, the IBSA proposal at least takes seriously the need to develop a means to address the issues that we have been discussing here for the last while i.e. those requiring some form of framework within which de- or supra-national issues arising from the increasing use and reliance on the Internet can be resolved and those resolutions enforced. And as well, beginning the discussion of how and where the issues of the national or supra-national interests of dominant Internet corporations can be responded to by those outside of the charmed circle of their direct financial or power beneficiaries. The onus I think is on those who disagree with the IBSA proposal to put forward alternative strategies for responding to these issues since there would appear to be a fairly clear consensus that these issues need to be addressed and a strong argument being put forward through this IBSA proposal (and the related CS support) that simply relying on the status quo to respond is to opt clearly and unequivocably for the rule of power and position rather than the rule either of democracy, equity or justice. Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:22 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Some first reactions to the IBSA proposal. You will not be hearing any applause from me. The proposal is unimaginative, backward-looking, and authoritarian. If it were actually implemented, which is highly unlikely, the proposal would be very destructive. One notable and surprising thing: IBSA has bypassed the IGF. By putting forward this proposal in the way it has, IBSA has openly declared that it does not put any credibility or legitimacy in the IGF as a forum for multistakeholder Internet policy development or discussion. This is true because the IBSA proposal was developed outside of IGF in an exclusive club of countries, and will not be put forward formally at the IGF. Rather, it will be developed at the closed IBSA summit, and then taken directly to the UN General Assembly. This is unacceptable to civil society. It excludes us from the entire process. IBSA needs to be asked why it has chosen not to use a MS forum, a forum its members helped to create, to gain agreement for this proposal. The IBSA report says that “the models proposed by the WGIG provided useful guidelines” for a new global Internet governance body. This is a strange statement. There were four different models proposed in the WGIG report, and most of them were inconsistent with each other. One of the WGIG proposals explicitly stated that no new global body was needed. So perhaps IBSA is trying to pretend that its proposal has some kind of imprimatur from the WGIG or the WSIS. It doesn’t. WGIG couldn’t agree on any of those models, that was the point of listing 4 of them. The specific duties of the new global body make up an interesting list. It will be “tasked to develop and establish international public policies.” So it makes the same stupid mistake that governments have been making all along: it is law, i.e. rules, not “policy” that is needed. Policy just means that a gang of governments attempts to dictate outcomes, or alter outcomes whenever something happens that they don’t like. Law on the other hand provides a framework of clear rules that allows individual actors guidelines and which also protects freedom. And here’s my favorite. IBSA proposes to “integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the internet, including global standards setting.” So IBSA is not only proposing to take over regulation of all the world’s internet service providers, hosting providers, mobile networks, and perhaps even equipment suppliers, it proposes to “integrate and oversee” the IETF as well. Presumably ICANN, too. No rationale for such a dramatic change is put forward. This proposal will fail to gain support from most of the internet-using civil society, it will be adamantly opposed by the technical community, and it will have very little support from the academic community. Needless to say, all Internet businesses will oppose it, and so will most governments outside the IBSA orbit. Milton L. Mueller Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org On Saturday 17 September 2011 01:40 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: Hello everybody, I would like to share with you some news about the IBSA seminar on global Internet governance that took place in FGV-Rio de Janeiro in the beginning of this month. Tight schedule and deadlines have prevented me to report the discussions with the depth and length I would like to, but I have written a blog post about it to the site of the Brazilian Observatory of Digital policies, which has been circulating on Twitter recently: http://observatoriodainternet.br/discussions-and-recommendations-from-the-ib sa-seminar-on-internet-governance I will be happy to talk more about it and share impressions here (if time allows) or in Nairobi. Best wishes, Marília -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Sep 21 15:57:06 2011 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:57:06 +1000 Subject: [governance] What comes after DNS and IPv6 Message-ID: I've thought for some time that the Internet 15 years out from here is likely to have neither DNS not IPv6 . Nice to see luminaries such as Bill St Arnaud also questioning the dominant beliefs in this area http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-comes-after-ipv6-and-dns.html For those able to think a little longer term about internet governance, I would urge approaches which take into account longer term needs as well as existing technical and administrative arrangements. Ian Peter ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 16:24:31 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:24:31 -0700 Subject: [governance] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FW=3A_=5BNew_post=5D_Community=A0Info?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?rmatics=A0in=A0Brazil?= Message-ID: This might be of interest to some and could provide a bit of background to the current discussion particularly as it concerns Brazil. Mike Community Informatics in Brazil Michael Gurstein | September 21, 2011 at 13:00 | Tags: Community Development, Community Informatics Policy, Community Informatics Practice, Community Informatics Programs, Community Research, Digital Divide, Digital Inclusion, effective use , ICT4D , Social Inclusion, Telecentres | Categories: Community Based ICT Practice, Community Informatics, Community Informatics Policy, Community Informatics Research, ICT Research | URL: http://wp.me/pJQl5-81 I am delighted and honoured as editor of the Journal of Community Informatics to publish a special double issue on The Internet and Community Informatics in Brazil. The issue itself is a very strong one and I think it both represents and solidifies the very strong Community Informatics range of activities and traditions in Brazil while pointing to certain characteristics of Community Informatics in Brazil that are potentially of interest and importance for the rest of the world. The special issue editors, Suely Fragoso and Gilda Olinto in their introduction to the issue have provided a very useful introduction to the range of issues that are of interest from a broad CI perspective but there are a few other items which an outsider might identify which someone closer to the scene such as they might overlook. A first observation and this comes out very strongly in the Fragoso and Olinto overview as well as a number of the papers is the strong recognition in Brazil of the social determinants of Internet use, and the need by government through policy and programmes to respond to this so as to not have the Internet exacerbate already significant social and economic divisions. As a Less Developed Country rapidly moving to becoming a middle income country, a regional power, and a member of a global group of similar regional middle income powers Brazil very well recognizes the drag that significant digital inequality can present to its aspirations for development and equally the opportunities that are available as these inequalities are being addressed. There is a clear recognition on the part of the national and even state governments in Brazil that responding to digital inequality is a responsibility of the State and the result has been the assignment of considerable public resources to responding including through the range of programs and initiatives that Suely and Gilda and others have noted in their papers. From the papers in this issue it is clear that the governments of Brazil are making extraordinary efforts to broaden the base of Internet access and use. In addition, again from the information presented in this issue the efforts towards digital inclusion are being done with a considerable measure of creativity and imagination reflecting in considerable degree Brazils unique multi-ethnic and multi-cultural heritage and building on this through linking Internet access and use to cultural production particularly in music but also in graphics and the visual arts. Regrettably most of these initiatives are little known outside of Brazil or beyond Latin America or others in the Portuguese speaking world and it is one intention of this special issue to help in a small way to overcome these gaps. One additional observation comes from a closer reading of the articles in this issue and that is the close connections between the digital inclusion efforts and programmes and Brazils long and effective experience with community based processes and particularly community based education. Brazil has contributed a very great deal to the practice but especially and notably the theory of community based initiatives and community development overall and it is of special interest and with some excitement that I note that this issue is making a very strong set of conceptual and theoretical connections between this tradition most notably through the work of the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire . For me this was an unexpected discovery and I have been particularly delighted to see the ways in which this community-based approach to education and especially literacy education is being applied to processes of digital inclusion in various regions of Brazil and with various of the more marginalized populations. As well, and of particular note is the way in which the theorizing in this area of the observed processes and emergent formations of community development fits so directly into my understanding of an emerging community informatics theory while deepening and extending these somewhat tentative and still partial developments. Community Informatics for many is a linking of the processes of community development with the content, affordances and historical and technological dynamics of Information and Communications Technologies. In the English speaking context, and particularly through work coming from Information Sciences and Science and Technology Studies there has been considerable advance in understanding and to a degree in conceptualizing the processes of technology change and the ways in which technology and particularly the Internet provides opportunities to communities and individuals for advancement and change. We now know quite a lot about networking, about management at a distance, about identity in a digital environment to point to only a few. However, from a CI perspective there has been much less theorizing and a much shallower pool of conceptualization to draw upon when one is looking at the community development side of the CI equation. What are the processes and dynamics which can be enabled at the community level which in turn can result in the absorption and effective utilization of ICTs. The links to the work conceptualizing community development and community processes in Brazil goes some way, I believe towards providing a deepening of understanding of the dynamics of communities and through certain of the articles in this special issue we begin to see examples in practice of how these conceptualizations can inform CI practice as well. While only two of the articles in this issue (Alvear et al and Maia et al ) point specifically to Freire as influences, several of the other articles clearly are linked into a similar set of concerns linking technology to processes of community enablement, recognizing community enablement and technology training and development as a process of coming into a position of self recognition and understanding, linking education into processes of the creation of a self-understanding of economic and social contexts, and overall a strong sense that in community development including for technology skills and understanding can be most effective when understood as an emergent process of communities and individuals coming into self-awareness. In this external formal community supports have to be seen and introduced simply as tools and enablers of these processes but as not the fundamental structures by means of which these processes occur. This linking of community process, emergent self-awareness, self and community empowerment, with ICTs particularly for marginalized populations is at the very core of a community informatics and thus this issue and the practice of community informatics in Brazil has much to teach all of those with an interest in or activities to support Community Informatics anywhere in the world. --------------------------------------------------- The Journal of Community Informatics has just published its latest issue at http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej. We invite you to review the Table of Contents here and then visit our web site to review articles and items of interest. Thanks for the continuing interest in our work, Special issue Editors: Suely Fragoso and Gilda Olinto Editor in Chief: Michael Gurstein Journal of Community Informatics, Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and Training, Vancouver CANADA Phone 604-602-0624 Fax 604-602-0624 gurstein at gmail.com The Journal of Community Informatics Special Double Issue: The Internet and Community Informatics in Brazil Table of Contents http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/29 _____________________________ Editorial Special Double Issue: The Internet and Community Informatics in Brazil HTML PDF Gilda Olinto, Suely Fragoso Editorial: Community Informatics in Brazil PDF HTML Michael Gurstein Points of View Internet use in Brazil: speeding up or lagging behind? HTML PDF Gilda Olinto, Suely Fragoso Articles Participation and Deliberation on the Internet: A Case Study of Digital Participatory Budgeting in Belo Horizonte HTML PDF Rafael Cardoso Sampaio, Rousiley Celi Moreira Maia, Francisco Paulo Jamil Almeida Marques Participatory Development of Technologies as a Way to Increase Community Participation: the Cidade de Deus Web Portal Case HTML PDF Celso Alexandre Souza de Alvear, Michel Thiollent Mastering Of Hypermedia Resources By Virtual Learning Communities: Possibilities And Constraints For Interaction, Communication And Construction Of Network Knowledge. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Wed Sep 21 17:08:28 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:08:28 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Parminder sez in response to Drake: No idea, what you wanted to elicit and what was Alvaro and others not forthcoming about. As you know, Brazilians sponsored a main session on enhanced cooperation at the IGF, when i really dont remember any special enthusiasm for such a discussion of many civil society members [Milton L Mueller] Really? Just for fun, I dug up the transcript and you will see below my intervention and the response of the U.S. State Dept representative. Note also that I specifically tried to get a statement from Parminder, but for some reason (cough) the moderator moved on. >EMILY TAYLOR: Thank you very much. Milton, do you have a question? >>MILTON MUELLER: Yes, I do. I actually have a question. Okay. We have two distinct concepts of enhanced cooperation up here. The one that I understood was articulated by Mr. Lucero and to some extent by Parminder Singh, saying, to put it in a concrete context, that ...enhanced cooperation was trying to solve the problem of governmental role in Internet policy-making. And Mr. Lucero proposed a specific principle which I thought was very interesting, and I'd like to hear Mr. Beaird's and Mr. Singh's reaction to it. [Lucero] said if governments are not involved, such as in IETF or the NRO, that's fine. But if governments are - if you have an international organization which only one government or a select group of governments is involved, that's a problem, that's something that enhanced cooperation should be trying to fix. >>EMILY TAYLOR: Dick, would you like to react to that? So the challenge is that only a few or even one government is involved. Can I have your comments, please? >>RICHARD BEAIRD: Thank you very much. The view that I take in this is that if we have learned anything as a result of the WSIS process and our experience since 2005, is that it's precisely much more complex than to articulate a problem as we did in 2003, that there is a one-country problem. In fact, what we're dealing with -- and here I come back -- which I think the 39 ministers that met in Seoul, including representative from Brazil, which may not have signed the declaration, but was there, understood, which is that we're talking about an Internet economy, which is a much broader concept than we had previously, which is certainly much more -- broader than simply talking about domain names. Domain names is a facilitator, is a tool within that economy. Governments are engaged in this process at every level. And my dear friend Everton has given us some excellent examples of where governments are involved. Let me give you one more point to add to this, which is that -- the point being is that governments are involved at every level of the Internet because it is now, we understand, to be an Internet economy. But, further, if there is one thing we also learned from the WSIS process, when governments came together in 2005, the one thing that dominates the documents that are there, both out of Geneva, but certainly out of Tunis, It's e-government. It's how the Internet, used by governments -- and, by the way, governments by all studies are the early adopters of applications and uses of the Internet -- is making possible services that had not been made possible before, prior to the Internet. And that governments, when they came together at the highest levels said this is probably the most important thing for us to talk about. And I think that's the point that needs to be made over and over again in these discussions, which happen at fora such as the IGF which may be rather focused, is that the world outside, in every region of the world, governments are engaged. And that at every level of society, governments, civil society, and the private sector, they are all engaged, and they will find their own level of engagement depending upon their cultural and political context. So my response is that be more positive and be more observant of what, in fact, has happened, and understand that we are all now a part of the Internet economy. Now from that exchange I draw 5 conclusions: 1) There were 2 views of EC as an issue to be discussed expressed on that panel, one of them the "hard" focus on the role of states, the other the mushy one that considers any post-WSIS dialogue to be EC. 2) It should be evident from the above which one of those 2 views I took: I eagerly embraced discussing the harder approach 3) I was not uncomfortable with a robust discussion of EC, as Parminder and Everton Lucero (then of govt of Brazil) understood it 4) The US govt was _very_ uncomfortable with that issue and tried to divert it to a discussion of e-government 5) I was willing to confront the USG on this So. What are we to make of Parminder's posturing as an oppressed developing world innocent ignored if not trampled by Northern hegemonists in civil society? It is a bit hard to swallow. It seems to me to be a self-reinforcing act of divisiveness. To press further, the discussion of EC makes it clear that one can "equalize" the imbalance in governments' role either by making governance more "inter-national" (i.e. intergovernmental) or by "de-nationalizing" it (i. e., relying on organically developed institutions). Lucero made comments directly and astutely recognizing that option. Parminder didn't. Why is the de-nationalizing option never recognized and discussed by Parminder? Why is it always framed as North vs. South instead? Is it because you want to pit South against North so you can ride a wave of resentment into some new form of global power? Or are your politics about creating a just, free, flexible regime of global Internet governance that can be supported by anyone in any world region/economy/etc.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also have seen so many times that > when governments argue about multi-stakeholder participation, or human > rights, that even the ones are committed to it, will be willing to > sacrifice it for the sake of other geo-political interests. > I think that this concern is very plausible and Anriette articulated it very well during the seminar, with the support of other CS. Government reps replied that they have a different evaluation about it. They believe that a forum of EC would serve as a space to advance a rights perspective with the participation of all countries, including more recalcitrant ones. Best, Marília -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 17:41:29 2011 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:41:29 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754970068@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754970068@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: Hi Milton, thanks for the reply :) Some brief comments below: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > ** ** > > > I agree that EC topic has been short-circuited within IGF. In my longer > post on IGP blog I identified this as one of the key motives for the IBSA > proposal. The problem is that the substantive proposals coming from IBSA > always seem to involve hierarchical control and inter-governmental > processes. It is a very traditionalist approach which is why I characterized > it as “backward looking.” > Milton, you are right that the language of previous declarations give a feeling of a top-down process. I have noted this as well and I have raised this issue several times with the Brazilian gov. As we noticed, the political process is very dynamic and subject to changes of conception, otherwise, what would be the point of participating on discussions, right? I believe that the perception of IBSA countries about the value of multistakeholder participation has intensified. We can feel a difference if we compare the December CSTD meeting about the composition of the WG and last CSTD. This has been reflected on the organization of a multistakeholder seminar now. We are building trust continuously with dialogue and I think that gov reps would be open to a frank dialogue during the IGF. The problem is that sometimes we jump into conclusions and we jeopardize constructive debate before it starts. These countries have taken some steps towards non-gov actors, let's also take some steps and dialogue with them. > **** > > ** ** > > The seminar was very useful to air positions and to understand > expectations. With the help of these exchanges, I personally hope that a > clear proposal on EC will emerge by September, so it can be discussed by all > those interested. The statement summarizes general ideas so I don't think we > could possibly have enough information to judge the future proposal from > IBSA right now.**** > > ** ** > > Well, it was IBSA itself that put forward the basic outlines: “new body,” > “based in UN,” “develops and established global public policy,” “integrates > and oversees” all agencies responsible for “technical and operational” > aspects of the internet, as well as “dispute resolution.” With that as a > starting point, it would be hard to go from that to something I or others > who favor a more distributed, networked and multistakeholder environment > will like. **** > > ** > Briefly, the strategy in my opinion should be to separate each point and discuss one by one. I think it is hard to change "new body in the UN" but maybe "integrated and oversees"gave space to bad interpretation and needs to be clarified. > ** > > reason why the IGC is organizing a workshop to discuss IGF improvement > based on the Indian proposal. **** > > ** ** > > That’s good, but this proposal is “big”, it’s about the internet as a whole > and not just the IGF. A workshop? Bah. Why not try to get an IGF main > session on this topic, why not announce the IBSA recommendations for the > first time at the IGF for public release? Etc., etc. If IBSA took IGF > seriously as a place to advance global internet governance they would do > this a lot differently. > I personally adviced to make recommendations public before the IGF, so people would have time to get acquainted and are able to engage in fruitful debate there. Actually, there are several workshops and I think that the issue will be raised in main sessions too. I think these countries do take the IGF seriously, for the reasons already discussed on my last e-mail, so I will keep it short. > ** > > Yes, it is fair to mention this. I have to say that many people in civil > society who are on the liberal-denationalized end of the IG spectrum are > always a bit confused by the behavior of the Brazilian govt. On the one hand > they talk – and inside Brazil, act – a good multi-stakeholder game, develop > good principles, etc. On the other hand, in international organizations they > consistently push for a governmental takeover of the process and continue to > promote the logically fallacious, dangerously arbitrary concept of “global > public policy” defined by states in isolation. So we are confused. > I will let the government speak for itself. They are going to the IGF also for that :) I will just say that Brazil hosted the IBSA seminar in a very open manner, so the country is promoting MSism internally and externally. > Here I dont really understand your point. IBSA proposal has to be developed > by IBSA actors, as the EU proposal needs to be developed by EU, etc. The > important thing if that it is done is an open and participatory way.**** > > ** ** > > Why do you assume that the process must be led by states? **** > > This is not what I meant, I used the word "actors" = multistakeholder regional process. Sorry if that was not clear. > **** > > Here maybe some background information is missing. In the case of IBSA > seminar, the governments were the first ones to say they wanted a > multistakeholder meeting, back in CSTD. And although governments and civil > society were the predominant participants, the meeting was open to all those > who wished to participate. Some CS participants from South Africa and India > were sponsored to come. So IBSA sent a message they would like to create a > multistakeholder dialogue between non-governmental actors from the three > countries, although the mobilization of stakeholders needs to be improved. > **** > > ** ** > > Sure, one model of multi-stakeholderism is for governments to invite people > into consultations where they define the agenda, and then after the > consultation they go off in a room by themselves and decide. I favor a much > stronger, more innovative model in which the decision making power is > distributed and not just the consultation. > Me too. We need to make it also operational when it comes to making regulation. I am sorry I am unable to explore this topic more right now, but it is a great, concrete debate. Best, Marília > **** > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:15:12 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:15:12 +0000 Subject: [governance] VISA CLEARANCE FOR THE KENYA INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: People Please find a letter that will allow you to get your visas upon arrival. Everyone who gave their name and I responded that I had forwarded your names can print this letter and use it. Actually there was only one name that had an issue and I already communicated with the individual directly. As you can see, the letter is in line with yesterday's debate about protection of privacy and data. So all your names are at the Kenyan Immigrations, and at the Jomo Kenyatta international Airport. The last paragraph in the letter is the most important. You will not have any problems. However, there are two people from Cameroun who sent their names to me today. Those are yet to be cleared and must wait for me to give them a go ahead (they know themselves). Also, I will not be processing any more visas. Its just too late now. For those of you who will arrive earlier, please note that you can collect your badges from Friday at UNON. They will be open on saturday and sunday. It might be useful to collect badges over the weekend to avoid the congestion from Monday. Karibuni ( Welcome in Swahili) Nairobi. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! > To: paul at kenic.or.ke > CC: david at kenic.or.ke; ggithaiga at hotmail.com; ggithaiga at kictanet.or.ke > > ATT: GRACE / PAUL, > > Please find attached the visa clearance letter to be sent to the delegates. > I have communicated the same to JKIA - Immigration. > > Regards, > > NJENGA - Immigration. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Grace, Thank you for facilitating the visas, we know that you did not have to but it shows the incredible Kenyan hospitality. Even if my name was not the list, I would still like to thank you for just being awesome! Vinaka (Thank you in Fijian) :) Warm Regards from Fiji, Sala On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > People > > Please find a letter that will allow you to get your visas upon arrival. > Everyone who gave their name and I responded that I had forwarded your names > can print this letter and use it. Actually there was only one name that had > an issue and I already communicated with the individual directly. > > As you can see, the letter is in line with yesterday's debate about > protection of privacy and data. So all your names are at the Kenyan > Immigrations, and at the Jomo Kenyatta international Airport. The last > paragraph in the letter is the most important. You will not have any > problems. > > However, there are two people from Cameroun who sent their names to me > today. Those are yet to be cleared and must wait for me to give them a go > ahead (they know themselves). > > Also, I will not be processing any more visas. Its just too late now. > > For those of you who will arrive earlier, please note that you can collect > your badges from Friday at UNON. They will be open on saturday and sunday. > It might be useful to collect badges over the weekend to avoid the > congestion from Monday. > > Karibuni ( Welcome in Swahili) Nairobi. > > Rgds > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > To: paul at kenic.or.ke > > CC: david at kenic.or.ke; ggithaiga at hotmail.com; ggithaiga at kictanet.or.ke > > > > ATT: GRACE / PAUL, > > > > Please find attached the visa clearance letter to be sent to the > delegates. > > I have communicated the same to JKIA - Immigration. > > > > Regards, > > > > NJENGA - Immigration. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:23:05 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:23:05 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org>,<001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good People I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by Monday. Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, but YOUR speech. Kindly input. With Kind Regards Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: ias_pk at yahoo.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org CC: imran at igfpak.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement Dear Jeremy and all Members, With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: 1. The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, revision and expansion of the memberships is required. 2. During past meetings and consolation process regarding the governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities and privilege for Civil Societies. 3. To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to obtain support. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmad Shah From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we should cover: During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating the previous five, its evolution should continue. The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure if we want to point fingers, here.] This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development processes of those institutions. In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's accessibility, including through online means. The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:43:35 +1200 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Grace, I have absolute faith that you are going to give an awesome speech and what better way that to have someone civil society in Kenya speaking for all of us. From the Pacific, where we have been pushing e participation and strategically marketing the workshops and encouraging stakeholders to access the meetings through the hubs, noting that the Pacific has 22 countries and Territories and 16 of which are independent nation states, it is critical that there is inclusion in the workshops, agendas as the challenges from the Pacific are different although may be similar in certain instances to other regions. I am happy that the Workshops this year have more input from the Pacific through remote participation mainly. My requests are not lavish (you don't have to put this in to your speech but the spirit of it you can capture). I would like to see:- 1. Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs - this to be done well in advance; 2. General letter that can be used to send to Target Groups in the Pacific from the Secretariat. I will say that from the ground up, we have set up Teams in various countries within the Pacific to identify and invite to join in the discussions that we believe that we can learn from the experiences from those around the world and also share some of our experiences and also draw resources (lessons, learnings etc) to quickly bridge the gap of the digital divide. I believe that that the current multistakeholder model that provides for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is simply AWESOME. I come from a region where development is sporadic and I believe that the multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet walk away and share a cup of tea. Building beside you, Sala On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Good People > > I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during > the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by > Monday. > Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran > had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). > > I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's > suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday > evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers > equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, > but YOUR speech. Kindly input. > > With Kind Regards > Grace > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ------------------------------ > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 > Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement > > > Dear Jeremy and all Members, > > With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also > suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: > > 1. The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous > members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG > membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, > revision and expansion of the memberships is required. > > 2. During past meetings and consolation process regarding the > governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least > equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have > Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities > and privilege for Civil Societies. > > 3. To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the > candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There > are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize > the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to > obtain support. > > > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmad Shah > > *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jeremy Malcolm > *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org > *Subject:* [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement > > > > This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening > session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. > > Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements > and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of > civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we > should cover: > > - During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a > discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating > the previous five, its evolution should continue. > - The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the > Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in > shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. > - Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the > multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure > if we want to point fingers, here.] > - This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to > the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development > processes of those institutions. > - In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such > as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud > policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. > - The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that > all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the > IGF's accessibility, including through online means. > - The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to > Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, > including those that transcend national borders. > > > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:46:53 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:46:53 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org>,<001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com>,, Message-ID: Sala This is great. Thanks. GG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:43:35 +1200 Subject: Re: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com CC: jeremy at ciroap.org; imran at igfpak.org Dear Grace, I have absolute faith that you are going to give an awesome speech and what better way that to have someone civil society in Kenya speaking for all of us. From the Pacific, where we have been pushing e participation and strategically marketing the workshops and encouraging stakeholders to access the meetings through the hubs, noting that the Pacific has 22 countries and Territories and 16 of which are independent nation states, it is critical that there is inclusion in the workshops, agendas as the challenges from the Pacific are different although may be similar in certain instances to other regions. I am happy that the Workshops this year have more input from the Pacific through remote participation mainly. My requests are not lavish (you don't have to put this in to your speech but the spirit of it you can capture). I would like to see:- Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs - this to be done well in advance; General letter that can be used to send to Target Groups in the Pacific from the Secretariat. I will say that from the ground up, we have set up Teams in various countries within the Pacific to identify and invite to join in the discussions that we believe that we can learn from the experiences from those around the world and also share some of our experiences and also draw resources (lessons, learnings etc) to quickly bridge the gap of the digital divide. I believe that that the current multistakeholder model that provides for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is simply AWESOME. I come from a region where development is sporadic and I believe that the multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet walk away and share a cup of tea. Building beside you, Sala On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: Good People I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by Monday. Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, but YOUR speech. Kindly input. With Kind Regards Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: ias_pk at yahoo.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org CC: imran at igfpak.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement Dear Jeremy and all Members, With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: 1. The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, revision and expansion of the memberships is required. 2. During past meetings and consolation process regarding the governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities and privilege for Civil Societies. 3. To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to obtain support. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmad Shah From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we should cover: During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating the previous five, its evolution should continue. The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure if we want to point fingers, here.] This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development processes of those institutions. In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's accessibility, including through online means. The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:56:52 2011 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:56:52 +0500 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Grace, I find too much process being discussed whereas it is already happening through the CSTD IGF Improvements WG on which we have our selected representatives. Why do we want to under utilize our few minutes over process? Are we always going to stay afraid of the process? Will we not be able to really address the emerging or existing issues at hand? The starting point that I find significant from Jeremy's points is actually in the end: ** The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. ** IMHO, most of the earlier points have always been at the core of most discussions and statements, what has to be said now has to more or less encircle what has been happening around us. You have the opportunity to make a statement around the Theme of IGF as well, maybe break it down from "Internet as a catalyst for change: access, development, freedoms and innovation" to: - Internet as a catalyst for change? What kind of change, will it save lives, will it hurt lives, will it bring inclusiveness and participation or it will deter the fundamental right to communicate freely, openly etc? - Access? Will the developing countries of the world still pay a heavy price for connecting to the Internet? If not then what? - Development? Has IG facilitated human development, if yes, how, if not, why? Freedoms? What freedoms? Freedom to communication? Freedom to share? Freedom to express? are Freedoms subjected to only a certain kind of cartel of information/content/knowledge brokers to promote their information, content or products at any price and in any circumstance violating fundamental freedoms, privacy, safety of people connecting to the Internet, is it information control, are people connecting to the Internet consulted before their information is used by govts, security agencies etc taken on orders from these entities, or are Human Rights and the Freedom to access and share information for Human Benefit Innovation is happening all across the Internet, then why not at the IGF. The Arab Revolutions, termination of Internet service, revoking access to World Wide Web services, using the Web as a means to crack down on innocent voices and transparent reporting of facts and the real situations on the ground, issues of Human Rights with respect to the Internet, Franc La Rue's report to the Human Rights Council earlier this year has to be reemphasized, the eG8 fiasco and now the IBSA discussions, where is the basic discourse on these issues at a global level for all stakeholders concerned? Isn't IGF supposedly that space? Has the IGF been subjected to evolve into that space so far? If not why not? Its time to take a strong stand in discussing Internet Policy, do we have a common understanding of this amongst all the stakeholders of the IGF process. No, rules, norms, principles, laws, legislation, jurisdictions all collide against the basic perception of Human Rights. Who is it that has to be controlled and why is this control so necessary? Its time we stepped into this question so that the policy discussion does come back to the IGF. Either we wait for intergovernmental processes to address the issue of Policy or otherwise trigger the discussion once again at the IGF to have the dialogue here.... The challenges we have is acceptance of CS as an equal stakeholder and I have to be firm on this, it really hasn't happened and it really needs to be continuously stressed and said on every occasion. In all the recent global IG related discussions around certain the privileged countries that constitute those fora, it has been evident that CS is the group that suffers the most (though has been the case historically as well in other fora). The basic freedom for CS to actively, equally, openly and inclusive participation in IG related processes still lags (accept for the IGF but within the IGF process, CS has its own set of headaches) I hope your statement will look beyond the process.....the issues of MAG renewals, funding, developing country participation are in every text of IGF proceedings, what is missing is the actual things happening, the evolution as mentioned earlier by Jeremy and what we interface with on a daily basis. The CSTD IGF Improvements Working Group recommendations from the preliminary documents already mention these issues so kindly don't get bogged down by process, process, process.........things happening around us, issues concerning us from developing countries, Internet lockdowns and cuts in our regions have nothing to do with these internal processes. Again lets not let certain 'privileged' distractions move us away from our real issues......this is the time for looking into CS participation in global IG processes while at the same time strengthening participation by helping the IGF to innovate in response to what is happening around us! -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > Good People > > I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during > the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by > Monday. > Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran > had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). > > I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's suggestions, > agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday evening. Is that > alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers equal opportunities > for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, but YOUR speech. > Kindly input. > > With Kind Regards > Grace > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is > all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth > and rule the World! > > > ________________________________ > From: ias_pk at yahoo.com > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org > CC: imran at igfpak.org > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 > Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement > > Dear Jeremy and all Members, > > With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also > suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: > > 1.      The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous members > were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG membership. > However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, revision and > expansion of the memberships is required. > > 2.      During past meetings and consolation process regarding the > governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least > equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have > Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities > and privilege for Civil Societies. > > 3.      To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the > candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There > are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize > the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to > obtain support. > > > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmad Shah > > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf > Of Jeremy Malcolm > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement > > > > This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the opening > session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. > > Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements and > policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of civil > society.  This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we should > cover: > > During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a discussion > forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating the previous > five, its evolution should continue. > The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the > Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in > shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. > Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the > multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure > if we want to point fingers, here.] > This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the > task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development > processes of those institutions. > In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the > entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud policy-makers' > view of the broader public interest. > The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all > participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's > accessibility, including through online means. > The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet > governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including > those that transcend national borders. > > > > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From valeriab at apc.org Wed Sep 21 19:36:14 2011 From: valeriab at apc.org (Valeria Betancourt) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:36:14 -0500 Subject: [governance] APC's IGF 2011 brief Message-ID: <85081EBF-D4D3-4130-8B0B-D92A88B0E13F@apc.org> Hello all, We want to share with the IGC the APC's views, priorities and activities for the upcoming IGF. 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This is a multistakeholder process and offers equal opportunities > for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, but YOUR speech. > Kindly input. I would suggest you add our particular kenyan perspective as well, perhaps describe how our CS comes together to give input on policy and the things that the gov is doing in terms of enabling environment, the things that business is doing because of this enabling environment, and the results (world leader in mobile money, lots of mobile app (and mobile app labs) development, thriving social entrepreneurship in the tech space, open access shared LTE network infra to be built, ccTLD run on a MSH model, etc, etc. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed Sep 21 23:19:17 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:19:17 +0800 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> On 22/09/11 01:11, Miguel Alcaine wrote: > I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of > the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is > found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. > > While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS > outcome documents; it is not. This is so only if you restrict your view to paragraph 69, but you can't look just at that paragraph outside of its context. There are about ten paragraphs on EC (though they are intermixed with the paragraphs about the IGF, lending weight to the argument that the IGF is an integral part of EC rather than a separate channel of reform). Most of these do leave room for a multi-stakeholder interpretation, eg. paragraph 71: "The process towards enhanced cooperation, to be started by the UN Secretary-General, involving all relevant organizations by the end of the first quarter of 2006, will involve all stakeholders in their respective roles, will proceed as quickly as possible consistent with legal process, and will be responsive to innovation." One can easily argue that paragraph 69 is directed to governments in relation to CIRs, and that the involvement of other stakeholders in CIR management is already a given and not controversial. Thus there was no need to mention the other stakeholders in that particular paragraph. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3762 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Sep 21 23:39:36 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:09:36 +0530 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net> On Thursday 22 September 2011 02:38 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Parminder sez in response to Drake: > > No idea, what you wanted to elicit and what was Alvaro and others not > forthcoming about. As you know, Brazilians sponsored a main session on > enhanced cooperation at the IGF, when i really dont remember any > special enthusiasm for such a discussion of many civil society members > > */ /* > > */[Milton L Mueller] Really? /* > Milton, you are labouring to respond to the point I never made (including using bad language in your previous email). I *never* said that 'Milton' opposed or resisted a discussion on enhanced cooperation (EC), or more generally on International public policy mechanisms. Can you go back to my email and show me where I said this about 'MIlton'. In face of sudden flurry of emails claiming governments of the South do not want to discuss EC openly, especially at the IGF, I responded by showing that it was not governments of the South but many other actors who blocked/ resisted such an attempt. Is it not a fact? I also said that *many* civil society actors now suddenly very alive to the need of dicussing EC in the IGF, did not seem so eager earlier on, when attempts to get the EC subject on IGF agenda was made. This is also a fact. and I needed to state these facts in face of this new onslaught about the evilness of developing country governments (and, perhaps, also other civil society members) when it was simply not based on facts (and, more importantly for me, served the agenda of protecting the global IG status quo). *Now, it is now possible for me to put the 'Milton exception disclaimer' in everything I say.* One swallow does not make a summer. I know you have been keen on, more or less, any discussion in the IGF. I know we worked together for the IGF workshop on Framework convention on the Internet (though you now seem to have changed views on that, which, though a different question, I did raise in my email, and i dont say people dont have the right to change views). We worked together in the dynamic colation on Internet frameworks of principles... and yes, I exactly remember your contribution to the EC discussion in Hyderabad, and also remember precisely which part of the hall you were sitting in. This is quite beside the larger point. Though of course you have a right to bring on record your historical positions. I will respond to the substantive points separately. parminder > *//* > > */ /* > > */Just for fun, I dug up the transcript and you will see below my > intervention and the response of the U.S. State Dept representative./* > > */Note also that I specifically tried to get a statement from > Parminder, but for some reason (cough) the moderator moved on./* > > */ /* > > */ Governance." /* > > */http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/hyderabad_prog/AfIGGN.html/* > > */ /* > > */>>EMILY TAYLOR: Thank you very much. Milton, do you have a question?/* > > */>>MILTON MUELLER: Yes, I do. I actually have a question./* > > */Okay. We have two distinct concepts of enhanced cooperation up > here. The one that I understood was articulated by Mr. Lucero and to > some extent by Parminder Singh, saying, to put it in a concrete > context, that ...enhanced cooperation was trying to solve the problem > of governmental role in Internet policy-making. And Mr. Lucero > proposed a specific principle which I thought was very interesting, > and I'd like to hear Mr. Beaird's and Mr. Singh's reaction to it. > [Lucero] said if governments are not involved, such as in IETF or the > NRO, that's fine. But if governments are -- if you have an > international organization which only one government or a select group > of governments is involved, that's a problem, that's something that > enhanced cooperation should be trying to fix./* > > */ /* > > */>>EMILY TAYLOR: Dick, would you like to react to that? So the > challenge is that only a few or even one government is involved./* > > */Can I have your comments, please?/* > > */ /* > > */>>RICHARD BEAIRD: Thank you very much./* > > */The view that I take in this is that if we have learned anything as > a result of the WSIS process and our experience since 2005, is that > it's precisely much more complex than to articulate a problem as we > did in 2003, that there is a one-country problem. In fact, what we're > dealing with -- and here I come back -- which I think the 39 ministers > that met in Seoul, including representative from Brazil, which may not > have signed the declaration, but was there, understood, which is that > we're talking about an Internet economy, which is a much broader > concept than we had previously, which is certainly much more -- > broader than simply talking about domain names./* > > */Domain names is a facilitator, is a tool within that economy. > Governments are engaged in this process at every level. And my dear > friend Everton has given us some excellent examples of where > governments are involved. Let me give you one more point to add to > this, which is that -- the point being is that governments are > involved at every level of the Internet because it is now, we > understand, to be an Internet economy. But, further, if there is one > thing we also learned from the WSIS process, when governments came > together in 2005, the one thing that dominates the documents that are > there, both out of Geneva, but certainly out of Tunis, It's > e-government. /* > > */It's how the Internet, used by governments -- and, by the way, > governments by all studies are the early adopters of applications and > uses of the Internet -- is making possible services that had not been > made possible before, prior to the Internet. And that governments, > when they came together at the highest levels said this is probably > the most important thing for us to talk about. And I think that's the > point that needs to be made over and over again in these discussions, > which happen at fora such as the IGF which may be rather focused, is > that the world outside, in every region of the world, governments are > engaged. And that at every level of society, governments, civil > society, and the private sector, they are all engaged, and they will > find their own level of engagement depending upon their cultural and > political context. So my response is that be more positive and be more > observant of what, in fact, has happened, and understand that we are > all now a part of the Internet economy. /* > > */ /* > > */ /* > > */ /* > > */Now from that exchange I draw 5 conclusions:/* > > */1) /**/There were 2 views of EC as an issue to be discussed > expressed on that panel, one of them the "hard" focus on the role of > states, the other the mushy one that considers any post-WSIS dialogue > to be EC./* > > */2) /**/It should be evident from the above which one of those 2 > views I took: I eagerly embraced discussing the harder approach/* > > */3) /**/I was not uncomfortable with a robust discussion of EC, as > Parminder and Everton Lucero (then of govt of Brazil) understood it/* > > */4) /**/The US govt was _very_ uncomfortable with that issue and > tried to divert it to a discussion of e-government/* > > */5) /**/I was willing to confront the USG on this/* > > */ /* > > */So. What are we to make of Parminder's posturing as an oppressed > developing world innocent ignored if not trampled by Northern > hegemonists in civil society? It is a bit hard to swallow. It seems to > me to be a self-reinforcing act of divisiveness. /* > > */ /* > > */To press further, the discussion of EC makes it clear that one can > "equalize" the imbalance in governments' role either by making > governance more "inter-national" (i.e. intergovernmental) or by > "de-nationalizing" it (i./* */e., relying on organically developed > institutions). Lucero made comments directly and astutely recognizing > that option. Parminder didn't. Why is the de-nationalizing option > never recognized and discussed by Parminder? Why is it always framed > as North vs. South instead? Is it because you want to pit South > against North so you can ride a wave of resentment into some new form > of global power? Or are your politics about creating a just, free, > flexible regime of global Internet governance that can be supported by > anyone in any world region/economy/etc.? /* > > */ /* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Secretariat has done a terrible job of notifying people of their constant changes to the schedule (there's just been yet another set of changes, on 20 September). Not even having (or, correction: having, but not using) a mailing list for attendees to update them about things like this is unfathomable. But I've been saying this for 5 years, and nothing ever changes. So to make things easier for yourself, just subscribe to the iCalendar feed at http://igf-online.net (the direct link to the feed is http://igf-online.net/?ec3_ical), which has been and will continue to be updated with changes as they happen. Most calendar software (eg. iCal, Lightning, Google Calendar) can subscribe to an iCalendar feed, and there's also a web version under the "Calendar" link on the front page. (For another unfathomable reason, the Secretariat won't link to igf-online.net on their site.) Let me know if you have trouble. -- *Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator* Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. _www.consumersinternational.org _ _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3762 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From parminder at itforchange.net Thu Sep 22 01:20:31 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:50:31 +0530 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7A1A2B.8000804@apc.org> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <4E7A1A2B.8000804@apc.org> Message-ID: <4E7AC59F.1000507@itforchange.net> Hi Anriette Thanks for the detailed email. It is helpful to roll thoughts along together. I will respond to the 'civil society and OECD' point in your email separately. Here, just about the global IG's institutional structure. When, as you agree, or at least are sympathetic to the view, that current IG arrangements are just not working for developing country governments and, that internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any tangible way. we need to either accept the status quo, with its stated faults or seek new arrangements. What is your view of the possible new arrangement(s), even if it were an improvement over the existing one? Excuse my presumptuousness but, I would think that the 'OECD versus similar arrangement with all countries in', is a clear democratic step that no one, with any democratic credentials, can plausibly disagree with, but I continue *not* to get a clear response on that question. Ok, let me frame it in a different way. *If today the **OECD**, and thus its CICCP (the internet policy related committee) is proposed to be expanded to include all countries, without changing anything else substantially about it, will you (1) enthusiastically support such a proposal or (2) oppose it. * Try seeing the IBSA proposal simply as that. In fact, with the IGF attached to it in a complementary role as per UN GA resolution, the proposed new body will be even more participative that the CICCP. My question remains, on what basis do you oppose such an institutional reform/ change in the global IG's institutional architecture. As you seem to agree, OECD policies get by default applied to other parts of the world. Is it not unfair, undemocratic and against the rights of these other people and groups? Can we simply ignore this issue? If not, what is your response to it. You say OECD has good track record on certain issues like privacy. Developing countries have a good track on access to knowledge, IP restrictions, net neutrality and open standards (at least, its advocacy at the global stage), fair and just global trade polices, and good global economic competition law..... So who chooses which set of issues - those on which OECD may be good, and those in which developing countries may be good - are more important? (Echoes here of negative rights versus positive rights debates.) In any case, in the 'new body' even the OECD members will be there, and as in all UN bodies they remain outstandingly powerful. A new body will all countries represented would therefore be able to negotiate across this whole range of issues in a much better - global public interest wise - ways. As, we keep forgetting, they together negotiated such a rich range of human rights! And in keeping with current times, we are going to ensure that there is more multistakeholder participation than ever in these processes. You say that rigid institutionalisation is problematic, but right now my digital life is determined by OECD decisions. So, whether we democratically participate in it or not, decisions are being taken and 'governance' taking place. Then, there are general comments in your email about problems about 'governance systems' and governments being what they are, and being prone to wrong and bad decisions.... these are general points, which one can agree with. And that is why civil society exists. However, as a responsible civil society, we should be able to offer what we think should be the right institutional model, and also, as importantly, our pathway towards it. Otherwise, it becomes abdication, which in a political space, is unacceptable. Milton advocates some kind of a new denationalised governance regime. I have sought more details form him, and he says I have to read his book, which I have not been able to yet. I suspect he does not have a very clear vision of what that model will look like in actual practice, and in relation to the real world we live in, but I am happy to hear more on that. I think, the trajectory to 'that right model' from the present situation is not well-charted out, but again I am open to be corrected. I have supported the general idea of a 'new global public' (actually IT for Change theorises on this concept in our works), which underpins the Milton model. However, I am interested in working on practical strategies as well. But, the biggest problem with the* de-nationalised model of MIlton's, as I understand it, is that it does not address the re-distributional and welfare aspects that are required of any polity. This from my, and most developing country civil society's, point of view is a non starter. * I however do give this much credit to Milton that in pursuance of his political vision, he came up with a specific proposal to make IGF into a body of considerable soft power, which I, generally, supported ( i would want more clear reform of the participation model of the IGF, which is in our proposal before the WG on IGF improvements, before I can increase my support for this model). Accordingly, Anriette, I will like to know what global institutional IG model you (and APC) supports. At some time APC proposed a global Framework Convention on the Internet, which idea you/it seems no longer interested in. I have been unable to convince you to work for taking IGF towards clear recommendations making processes, that being in my view the best, and the only at hand, practical, way to increase multi-stakeholder participation in global IG policy making. I was surprised during the meeting of Working Group on improvements to the IGF that you seemed not willing to go along with the 'working groups' in the MAG model (which was also a part of APC IGF improvements proposals a couple of years back) , the least that is required to start structuring IGF towards some degree of purposiveness. In these circumstances, I really want to know what is your institutional model for global IG? If possible, I will like to engage with APC partners and internal APC decision making structures to understand the perspectives on this issue, and if possible, try to influence them. Anyone on the list is welcome to ask probing questions about IT for Change's views, current and historically, in the above matter, or on any other matter. We will gladly answer, in full detail, every time. That is for us a constitutional promise. For us, this is true openness and transparency, and the key value and process that gives civil society its legitimacy. Apologies for the long email. Too many points in this important discussion, which needed to be discussed. Parminder On Wednesday 21 September 2011 10:38 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Hello all > > I was at the the IBSA meeting in Brazil along with two other people from > South Africa. Shaun Pather, an academic working on community > informatics, and Mark Weinberg from the Right to Know Campaign. > > I have not had time to share my own thoughts.. or even write up the > notes from my inputs at the Rio meeting. APC is having an internal > discussion on the proposals with members but it will take a while for us > to have a position on this. > > My own views (not APC's) are that the proposals should be considered as > a really strong signal that current IG arrangements are just not working > for developing country governments, including some that are committed to > multi-stakeholder participation, and to the IGF, and who have been > attending ICANN meetings for a long time. > > Some of these governments share a concern with many CSOs that the > internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy > is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any > tangible way. > > At the same time I have concerns - based on personal and political > experience - about the implications for human rights, openness and for > the participation of civil society, social entrepreneurs, hackers, > developers etc. of more rigid institutionalisation of intergovernmental > oversight of internet governance. I also have seen so many times that > when governments argue about multi-stakeholder participation, or human > rights, that even the ones are committed to it, will be willing to > sacrifice it for the sake of other geo-political interests. > > I also wanted to respond to Parminder on civil society involvement in > the OECD. My own involvement in CSISAC dates back to its formation at > the Seoul meeting in 2008, but other civil society people have been > working at OECD level for a long, long time, e.g. EDRI, EFF, EPIC, > Privacy International and many others. > > My impression of civil society involvement in the OECD is very different > from yours Parminder. I have never understood that it is seen as an > endorsement of any kind. Yes, there is a recognition that the OECD has > had a good track record on certain issues such as, for example, > protection of personal privacy. > > To say civil society 'enthusiastically engages with it' does not > describe my experience of it. It is hard work, with little resources, > and requires a great deal of preparation and research. It is also quite > tough because you have to lobby hard for your interests against people > from the business sector that are really good at what they do, and > incredibly well prepared and organised within their constituency. > > I have been really impressed by the CSISAC community's voluntary > commitment and hard work to try and keep civil society voices heard in > the OECD. It is not easy. > > Others should comment, but my sense was that the reason that CSOs like > EPIC, EDRI, consumer groups and many others worked so hard to get > recognition at OECD level was because they were concerned that the OECD > was not systematically including civil society, resulting the views and > interests of the other nongovernmental stakeholders like the technical > community and businesses influencing OECD directives at the expense of > the public interest and civil society concerns. > > In other words, it was a move to prevent bad decisions, rather than an > endorsement of the OECD as the perfect model of international > decision-making on the internet. > > The OECD like the UN and other international organisations have some > really excellent people on staff who are generally very progressive and > who do their best to ensure that 'pro-public interest' (for want of a > better phrase) decisions are made. But this is no guarantee that in the > end governments will not make decisions that they, or civil society for > that matter, are not happy with as we have seen with regard to issues > like intermediary liability and IPR protection in the 'internet > governance principles' adopted in June 2011. > > The OECD exists, and it makes important decisions that are relevant to > the progressive CSOs that have worked for many years in OECD countries > to protect the public interest. That is why for them the OECD is a site > of struggle.. and.. as OECD guidelines etc. are often picked up in other > parts of the world it has also become an important site of struggle for > civil society from developing countries. > > Anriette > > > On 21/09/11 06:52, parminder wrote: > > [snip] > >> >>> While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, >>> >> When OECD does it, it is 'policy making', and the civil society >> enthusiastically engages with it, when UN seeks to do it, it is >> 'control' . This is amusing!! The power of the discourse!! >> >> >>> the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and >>> dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the >>> proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems >>> require such a solution, >>> >> Exactly the same problems that OECD, CoE etc think 'require a solution', >> and are intensively working on; to whose work in this area, there never >> seems to have been an objection. Every of their document speaks of >> urgent need of frameworks of principles, global agreements etc. The same >> problems, and similar sought solutions, just more democratic and >> inclusive..... >> >> I have thrown this challenge at 'you guys' - to borrow your term - often >> in this list but without response, and I repeat it. >> >> *On what basis do you oppose, say, if the EXACT mechanism that OECD follows >> >> in policy making, framework development, etc in the area of >> international internet-related public policies, with its exact >> mechanisms of multi-stakeholder participation also thrown in, >> >> was to instituted in the UN .... which simply means it would be >> democratic, a prime civil society value, i would think......* >> >> It is by answering clearly such direct questions, and getting into a >> full debate over them that constitutes openness and transparency, not >> just by using the power of the dominant discourse and vocabulary to >> condemn others to evilness of being closed and non-transparent, and >> arrogating to oneself all the corresponding good qualities.... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >>> how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, >>> how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, >>> and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect >>> to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the >>> table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would >>> be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the >>> merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and >>> into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >>> >>>> 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to >>>> take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing >>>> IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about >>>> IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. >>>> I hope you will be there to raise your issues. >>>> >>> There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to >>> raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating >>> with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in >>> GIG http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 >>> , >>> which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian >>> government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and >>> Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, >>> Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have >>> to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA >>> proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> *************************************************** >>> William J. Drake >>> International Fellow >>> Media Change& Innovation Division, IPMZ >>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>> >>> www.williamdrake.org >>> **************************************************** >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Thu Sep 22 03:43:33 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:43:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: In message , at 11:11:12 on Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Miguel Alcaine writes >I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and >2010) were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different >structures of the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to >ECOSOC respectively Yes, DESA wote the reports (having also collected the material) on behalf of the Secretary General, but they were first presented to CSTD for study and referral upwards to ECOSOC in the latter's role as ECOSOC's IG expert committee. Sorry if my shorthand was confusing. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Thu Sep 22 05:34:23 2011 From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:34:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] VISA CLEARANCE FOR THE KENYA INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c901cc790a$d08ac150$71a043f0$@planet.tn> Thank you very much Grace. ------------------------------------------------------------ Tijani BEN JEMAA Vice Président de la CIC Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------------ De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Grace Githaiga Envoyé : mercredi 21 septembre 2011 23:15 À : governance at lists.cpsr.org; chunluzhao at miit.gov.cn; chunluzhao at gmail.com; priyanthidaluwatte at yahoo.co.uk Cc : paul at kenic.or.ke; david at kenic.or.ke Objet : [governance] VISA CLEARANCE FOR THE KENYA INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM . People Please find a letter that will allow you to get your visas upon arrival. Everyone who gave their name and I responded that I had forwarded your names can print this letter and use it. Actually there was only one name that had an issue and I already communicated with the individual directly. As you can see, the letter is in line with yesterday's debate about protection of privacy and data. So all your names are at the Kenyan Immigrations, and at the Jomo Kenyatta international Airport. The last paragraph in the letter is the most important. You will not have any problems. However, there are two people from Cameroun who sent their names to me today. Those are yet to be cleared and must wait for me to give them a go ahead (they know themselves). Also, I will not be processing any more visas. Its just too late now. For those of you who will arrive earlier, please note that you can collect your badges from Friday at UNON. They will be open on saturday and sunday. It might be useful to collect badges over the weekend to avoid the congestion from Monday. Karibuni ( Welcome in Swahili) Nairobi. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! > To: paul at kenic.or.ke > CC: david at kenic.or.ke; ggithaiga at hotmail.com; ggithaiga at kictanet.or.ke > > ATT: GRACE / PAUL, > > Please find attached the visa clearance letter to be sent to the delegates. > I have communicated the same to JKIA - Immigration. > > Regards, > > NJENGA - Immigration. _____ Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 10.0.1390 / Base de données virale: 1518/3785 - Date: 24/07/2011 La Base de données des virus a expiré. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is helpful to roll thoughts along together. I will respond to the 'civil society and OECD' point in your email separately. Here, just about the global IG's institutional structure. When, as you agree, or at least are sympathetic to the view, that current IG arrangements are just not working for developing country governments and, that internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any tangible way. we need to either accept the status quo, with its stated faults or seek new arrangements. What is your view of the possible new arrangement(s), even if it were an improvement over the existing one? Excuse my presumptuousness but, I would think that the 'OECD versus similar arrangement with all countries in', is a clear democratic step that no one, with any democratic credentials, can plausibly disagree with, but I continue *not* to get a clear response on that question. Ok, let me frame it in a different way. *If today the **OECD**, and thus its CICCP (the internet policy related committee) is proposed to be expanded to include all countries, without changing anything else substantially about it, will you (1) enthusiastically support such a proposal or (2) oppose it. * Try seeing the IBSA proposal simply as that. In fact, with the IGF attached to it in a complementary role as per UN GA resolution, the proposed new body will be even more participative that the CICCP. My question remains, on what basis do you oppose such an institutional reform/ change in the global IG's institutional architecture. As you seem to agree, OECD policies get by default applied to other parts of the world. Is it not unfair, undemocratic and against the rights of these other people and groups? Can we simply ignore this issue? If not, what is your response to it. You say OECD has good track record on certain issues like privacy. Developing countries have a good track on access to knowledge, IP restrictions, net neutrality and open standards (at least, its advocacy at the global stage), fair and just global trade polices, and good global economic competition law..... So who chooses which set of issues - those on which OECD may be good, and those in which developing countries may be good - are more important? (Echoes here of negative rights versus positive rights debates.) In any case, in the 'new body' even the OECD members will be there, and as in all UN bodies they remain outstandingly powerful. A new body will all countries represented would therefore be able to negotiate across this whole range of issues in a much better - global public interest wise - ways. As, we keep forgetting, they together negotiated such a rich range of human rights! And in keeping with current times, we are going to ensure that there is more multistakeholder participation than ever in these processes. You say that rigid institutionalisation is problematic, but right now my digital life is determined by OECD decisions. So, whether we democratically participate in it or not, decisions are being taken and 'governance' taking place. Then, there are general comments in your email about problems about 'governance systems' and governments being what they are, and being prone to wrong and bad decisions.... these are general points, which one can agree with. And that is why civil society exists. However, as a responsible civil society, we should be able to offer what we think should be the right institutional model, and also, as importantly, our pathway towards it. Otherwise, it becomes abdication, which in a political space, is unacceptable. Milton advocates some kind of a new denationalised governance regime. I have sought more details form him, and he says I have to read his book, which I have not been able to yet. I suspect he does not have a very clear vision of what that model will look like in actual practice, and in relation to the real world we live in, but I am happy to hear more on that. I think, the trajectory to 'that right model' from the present situation is not well-charted out, but again I am open to be corrected. I have supported the general idea of a 'new global public' (actually IT for Change theorises on this concept in our works), which underpins the Milton model. However, I am interested in working on practical strategies as well. But, the biggest problem with the* de-nationalised model of MIlton's, as I understand it, is that it does not address the re-distributional and welfare aspects that are required of any polity. This from my, and most developing country civil society's, point of view is a non starter. * I however do give this much credit to Milton that in pursuance of his political vision, he came up with a specific proposal to make IGF into a body of considerable soft power, which I, generally, supported ( i would want more clear reform of the participation model of the IGF, which is in our proposal before the WG on IGF improvements, before I can increase my support for this model). Accordingly, Anriette, I will like to know what global institutional IG model you (and APC) supports. At some time APC proposed a global Framework Convention on the Internet, which idea you/it seems no longer interested in. I have been unable to convince you to work for taking IGF towards clear recommendations making processes, that being in my view the best, and the only at hand, practical, way to increase multi-stakeholder participation in global IG policy making. I was surprised during the meeting of Working Group on improvements to the IGF that you seemed not willing to go along with the 'working groups' in the MAG model (which was also a part of APC IGF improvements proposals a couple of years back) , the least that is required to start structuring IGF towards some degree of purposiveness. In these circumstances, I really want to know what is your institutional model for global IG? If possible, I will like to engage with APC partners and internal APC decision making structures to understand the perspectives on this issue, and if possible, try to influence them. Anyone on the list is welcome to ask probing questions about IT for Change's views, current and historically, in the above matter, or on any other matter. We will gladly answer, in full detail, every time. That is for us a constitutional promise. For us, this is true openness and transparency, and the key value and process that gives civil society its legitimacy. Apologies for the long email. Too many points in this important discussion, which needed to be discussed. Parminder On Wednesday 21 September 2011 10:38 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Hello all > > I was at the the IBSA meeting in Brazil along with two other people from > South Africa. Shaun Pather, an academic working on community > informatics, and Mark Weinberg from the Right to Know Campaign. > > I have not had time to share my own thoughts.. or even write up the > notes from my inputs at the Rio meeting. APC is having an internal > discussion on the proposals with members but it will take a while for us > to have a position on this. > > My own views (not APC's) are that the proposals should be considered as > a really strong signal that current IG arrangements are just not working > for developing country governments, including some that are committed to > multi-stakeholder participation, and to the IGF, and who have been > attending ICANN meetings for a long time. > > Some of these governments share a concern with many CSOs that the > internet is increasingly being run by powerful corporations; that policy > is being made by actors who cannot be really be held accountable in any > tangible way. > > At the same time I have concerns - based on personal and political > experience - about the implications for human rights, openness and for > the participation of civil society, social entrepreneurs, hackers, > developers etc. of more rigid institutionalisation of intergovernmental > oversight of internet governance. I also have seen so many times that > when governments argue about multi-stakeholder participation, or human > rights, that even the ones are committed to it, will be willing to > sacrifice it for the sake of other geo-political interests. > > I also wanted to respond to Parminder on civil society involvement in > the OECD. My own involvement in CSISAC dates back to its formation at > the Seoul meeting in 2008, but other civil society people have been > working at OECD level for a long, long time, e.g. EDRI, EFF, EPIC, > Privacy International and many others. > > My impression of civil society involvement in the OECD is very different > from yours Parminder. I have never understood that it is seen as an > endorsement of any kind. Yes, there is a recognition that the OECD has > had a good track record on certain issues such as, for example, > protection of personal privacy. > > To say civil society 'enthusiastically engages with it' does not > describe my experience of it. It is hard work, with little resources, > and requires a great deal of preparation and research. It is also quite > tough because you have to lobby hard for your interests against people > from the business sector that are really good at what they do, and > incredibly well prepared and organised within their constituency. > > I have been really impressed by the CSISAC community's voluntary > commitment and hard work to try and keep civil society voices heard in > the OECD. It is not easy. > > Others should comment, but my sense was that the reason that CSOs like > EPIC, EDRI, consumer groups and many others worked so hard to get > recognition at OECD level was because they were concerned that the OECD > was not systematically including civil society, resulting the views and > interests of the other nongovernmental stakeholders like the technical > community and businesses influencing OECD directives at the expense of > the public interest and civil society concerns. > > In other words, it was a move to prevent bad decisions, rather than an > endorsement of the OECD as the perfect model of international > decision-making on the internet. > > The OECD like the UN and other international organisations have some > really excellent people on staff who are generally very progressive and > who do their best to ensure that 'pro-public interest' (for want of a > better phrase) decisions are made. But this is no guarantee that in the > end governments will not make decisions that they, or civil society for > that matter, are not happy with as we have seen with regard to issues > like intermediary liability and IPR protection in the 'internet > governance principles' adopted in June 2011. > > The OECD exists, and it makes important decisions that are relevant to > the progressive CSOs that have worked for many years in OECD countries > to protect the public interest. That is why for them the OECD is a site > of struggle.. and.. as OECD guidelines etc. are often picked up in other > parts of the world it has also become an important site of struggle for > civil society from developing countries. > > Anriette > > > On 21/09/11 06:52, parminder wrote: > > [snip] > >> >>> While I don't favor UN-based intergovernmental control, >>> >> When OECD does it, it is 'policy making', and the civil society >> enthusiastically engages with it, when UN seeks to do it, it is >> 'control' . This is amusing!! The power of the discourse!! >> >> >>> the idea's been floating in the wind and configuring perceptions and >>> dialogue for so long that it would be useful to finally hear the >>> proponents get up in public and make their case about what problems >>> require such a solution, >>> >> Exactly the same problems that OECD, CoE etc think 'require a solution', >> and are intensively working on; to whose work in this area, there never >> seems to have been an objection. Every of their document speaks of >> urgent need of frameworks of principles, global agreements etc. The same >> problems, and similar sought solutions, just more democratic and >> inclusive..... >> >> I have thrown this challenge at 'you guys' - to borrow your term - often >> in this list but without response, and I repeat it. >> >> *On what basis do you oppose, say, if the EXACT mechanism that OECD follows >> >> in policy making, framework development, etc in the area of >> international internet-related public policies, with its exact >> mechanisms of multi-stakeholder participation also thrown in, >> >> was to instituted in the UN .... which simply means it would be >> democratic, a prime civil society value, i would think......* >> >> It is by answering clearly such direct questions, and getting into a >> full debate over them that constitutes openness and transparency, not >> just by using the power of the dominant discourse and vocabulary to >> condemn others to evilness of being closed and non-transparent, and >> arrogating to oneself all the corresponding good qualities.... >> >> parminder >> >> >> >> >>> how it could possibly work, why the benefits would outweigh the costs, >>> how consensus could be achieved and how you'd proceed if it cannot, >>> and so on. That certainly did not happen within the WGIG with respect >>> to the three "oversight" models some of the government reps put on the >>> table (which, BTW, the caucus strongly opposed at the time). It would >>> be better to finally have an open multistakeholder debate on the >>> merits than for the IBSA governments to take it to their summit and >>> into the UN GA without the benefit of this reality check. >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >>> >>>> 2) During the next IGF, government representatives have accepted to >>>> take part in several workshops organized by CS that are discussing >>>> IGF improvement, when they will certainly be able to talk about >>>> IBSA's aims. So the discussion will not bypass the IGF as you said. >>>> I hope you will be there to raise your issues. >>>> >>> There will be more opportunities than this. For example, I intend to >>> raise it again in the main session on CIR, which I'm co-moderating >>> with Emily Taylor, and in my workshop on institutional choice in >>> GIG http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=178 >>> , >>> which is a feeder for the CIR session. Tulika from the Indian >>> government will be speaking on both, as will Alice, Anriette, and >>> Fiona (plus others here who are on or the other, e.g. Avri, Jeanette, >>> Patrik..). So let's get it out in the open and hear what people have >>> to say either way. While such a debate will be divisive, a UN GA >>> proposal that hasn't been openly debated would be much more so. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> *************************************************** >>> William J. Drake >>> International Fellow >>> Media Change& Innovation Division, IPMZ >>> University of Zurich, Switzerland >>> william.drake at uzh.ch >>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake >>> >>> www.williamdrake.org >>> **************************************************** >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Comments welcome. > > Anriette > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Thu Sep 22 06:31:04 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:31:04 +0200 Subject: Fwd: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> Message-ID: <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 Ah, Indeed. CW > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im > Auftrag > von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org > Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org > Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS > TERM > > There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which > should have > been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN Nominating > Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by GAC > or the > US. > > Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators > should be > subject to a 24 month cooling off period. > > Regards, > > CW > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de > Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM > > > FYI > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ > 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html > > wolfgang > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 07:02:14 2011 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:02:14 -0400 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was happy to see the word "catalyst" in the theme, with its indication that the Internet is NOT the thing itself. The people are the "thing itself" - Kenyan people, Pacific Island people, Saint Lucian people - as well as developed world people. Considering that we are a civil society group I think it would be a good thing to include this emphasis - which I expect you are doing already :-) Good luck Grace. Deirdre On 21 September 2011 22:52, McTim wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Grace Githaiga > wrote: > > Good People > > > > I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during > > the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by > > Monday. > > Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran > > had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). > > > > I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's > suggestions, > > agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday evening. Is > that > > alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers equal > opportunities > > for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, but YOUR speech. > > Kindly input. > > I would suggest you add our particular kenyan perspective as well, > perhaps describe how our CS comes together to give input on policy and > the things that the gov is doing in terms of enabling environment, the > things that business is doing because of this enabling environment, > and the results (world leader in mobile money, lots of mobile app (and > mobile app labs) development, thriving social entrepreneurship in the > tech space, open access shared LTE network infra to be built, ccTLD > run on a MSH model, etc, etc. > > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be allowed? The devil would be in the details, certainly! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail wrote: > http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 > > Ah, Indeed. > > CW > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im >> Auftrag >> von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 >> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org >> Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org >> Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM >> >> There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which should have >> been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN Nominating >> Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by GAC or >> the >> US. >> >> Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators should be >> subject to a 24 month cooling off period. >> >> Regards, >> >> CW >> >> >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang >> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de >> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM >> >> >> FYI >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ >> 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html >> >> wolfgang >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>    governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>    governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >    governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >    http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > - ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sdkaaa at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 07:33:39 2011 From: sdkaaa at gmail.com (Bernard Sadaka) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:33:39 +0300 Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DB4247@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> References: <97657EF9087F754BBF54D3D0322DAD0F03DB4247@IQALUITMX05.nunavut.local> Message-ID: Dear Thompson and All, All workshops will have remote participation. Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms All the best, Bernard. - Bernard SADAKA IGF Secretariat On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: > Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > D**** > > ** ** > > Darlene A. Thompson**** > > Community Access Program Administrator**** > > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** > > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** > > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** > > Phone: (867) 975-5631**** > > Fax: (867) 975-5610**** > > E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** > > ** ** > > *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On > Behalf Of *Ginger Paque > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM > *To:* I G List > > *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen > **** > > ** ** > > **** > > If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our > communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict > we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – > dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and > inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the > strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. > E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, > ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real > problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the > solutions. **** > > Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), > the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the > digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are > various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the > divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who > cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 > participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by > Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where > e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple > as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made > concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote > participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now > delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and > workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year > for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage > input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, > over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to > the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual > remote participants.**** > > Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical > structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that > should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be > held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants > and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation > in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation > that emerge during the workshop.**** > > The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later > discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all > panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants > and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to > hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop > is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) > 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to > ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.'**** > > Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in > Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links > that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from 27-30 > September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the > discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital > divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for > international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is > important. Let us know!**** > > **** > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** > > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig ** ** > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 07:46:33 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:16:33 -0430 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen Message-ID: Thanks Bernard, Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they can no longer register. A. Must they be registered to attend? B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. Best, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: > Dear Thompson and All, > All workshops will have remote participation. > Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms > All the best, > Bernard. > - > Bernard SADAKA > IGF Secretariat > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < > DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: > >> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> D**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Darlene A. Thompson**** >> >> Community Access Program Administrator**** >> >> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >> >> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >> >> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >> >> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >> >> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >> >> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >> *To:* I G List >> >> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >> happen**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >> solutions. **** >> >> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), >> the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the >> digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are >> various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the >> divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who >> cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >> remote participants.**** >> >> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >> that emerge during the workshop.**** >> >> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later >> discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all >> panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants >> and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to >> hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop >> is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) >> 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to >> ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.'*** >> * >> >> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in >> Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >> important. Let us know!**** >> >> **** >> >> >> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >> >> Diplo Foundation >> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >> >> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >> >> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org >> ***** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 07:50:52 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 07:20:52 -0430 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Grace and everyone, You can probably predict what I am going to point out :) Suggest that you note: Appreciation for the ongoing work for inclusion through e- and remote participation, and support for continuing development as a model for other global policy processes. Importance of regional IGFs and their results Importance of meetings and capacity building in other languages. Thanks. I am sure you will represent us beautifully, and I look forward to your presentation. Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 21 September 2011 18:13, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Grace, > > I have absolute faith that you are going to give an awesome speech and what > better way that to have someone civil society in Kenya speaking for all of > us. From the Pacific, where we have been pushing e participation and > strategically marketing the workshops and encouraging stakeholders to access > the meetings through the hubs, noting that the Pacific has 22 countries and > Territories and 16 of which are independent nation states, it is critical > that there is inclusion in the workshops, agendas as the challenges from the > Pacific are different although may be similar in certain instances to other > regions. I am happy that the Workshops this year have more input from the > Pacific through remote participation mainly. > > My requests are not lavish (you don't have to put this in to your speech > but the spirit of it you can capture). I would like to see:- > > > 1. Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN > Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations > and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the > remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs - > this to be done well in advance; > 2. General letter that can be used to send to Target Groups in the > Pacific from the Secretariat. > > I will say that from the ground up, we have set up Teams in various > countries within the Pacific to identify and invite to join in the > discussions that we believe that we can learn from the experiences from > those around the world and also share some of our experiences and also draw > resources (lessons, learnings etc) to quickly bridge the gap of the digital > divide. I believe that that the current multistakeholder model that provides > for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is > simply AWESOME. I come from a region where development is sporadic and I > believe that the multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful > collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet > walk away and share a cup of tea. > > Building beside you, > Sala > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Grace Githaiga wrote: > >> Good People >> >> I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during >> the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by >> Monday. >> Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran >> had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). >> >> I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's >> suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday >> evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers >> equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, >> but YOUR speech. Kindly input. >> >> With Kind Regards >> Grace >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life >> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go >> forth and rule the World! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: ias_pk at yahoo.com >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org >> CC: imran at igfpak.org >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 >> Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >> >> >> Dear Jeremy and all Members, >> >> With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also >> suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: >> >> 1. The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous >> members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG >> membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, >> revision and expansion of the memberships is required. >> >> 2. During past meetings and consolation process regarding the >> governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least >> equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have >> Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities >> and privilege for Civil Societies. >> >> 3. To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the >> candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There >> are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize >> the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to >> obtain support. >> >> >> >> Thanking you and Best Regards >> >> >> >> Imran Ahmad Shah >> >> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Jeremy Malcolm >> *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org >> *Subject:* [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >> >> >> >> This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the >> opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. >> >> Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements >> and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of >> civil society. This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we >> should cover: >> >> - During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a >> discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating >> the previous five, its evolution should continue. >> - The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the >> Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in >> shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. >> - Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the >> multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure >> if we want to point fingers, here.] >> - This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up >> to the task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy >> development processes of those institutions. >> - In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such >> as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud >> policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. >> - The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent >> that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the >> IGF's accessibility, including through online means. >> - The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to >> Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, >> including those that transcend national borders. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator* >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> *www.consumersinternational.org* >> *Twitter @ConsumersInt * >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. >> Don't print this email unless necessary. >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Thu Sep 22 08:54:07 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:54:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly decided that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. So now we have - as I foresaw last month - both the EU and the US (a) pointing up the conflict of interest and (b) questioning the competition policy aspects of the vertical integration decision. For a bottom-up, consensus driven process in which the At Large are representing the public interest, that is quite an achievement. Regards to you all, CW On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:16, McTim wrote: > I'm not so sure about a cooling off period and 2 years is a long time. > > What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related > policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be > allowed? > > The devil would be in the details, certainly! > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail > wrote: >> http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 >> >> Ah, Indeed. >> >> CW >> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im >>> Auftrag >>> von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 >>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org >>> Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF >>> HIS TERM >>> >>> There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which >>> should have >>> been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN >>> Nominating >>> Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by >>> GAC or >>> the >>> US. >>> >>> Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators >>> should be >>> subject to a 24 month cooling off period. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> CW >>> >>> >>> Original Message: >>> ----------------- >>> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang >>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS >>> TERM >>> >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ >>> 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html >>> >>> wolfgang >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > > - > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Thu Sep 22 08:51:56 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:51:56 +0200 Subject: [governance] Definition EC References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410669F@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C55D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> In an acedemic meeting in Summer 2007 a group of experts tried to define EC. Based on the two paras. from the Tunis agenda we deinfed it as "enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration (EC3) among governmental and non-governmental stakeholders". This does not exclude special intergovernmental (legally binding or non-binding) arrangements as long as they are embedded into a multistekholder framework, do not exclude others, understand themselves as part of a network (in their specific roles) and do not put thesmelves on the top of a hierarchy. wolfgang ________________________________ Fra: governance at lists.cpsr.org på vegne af Miguel Alcaine Sendt: on 21-09-2011 20:14 Til: Lee W McKnight Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry Emne: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Dear colleagues: My intention was not to take a side in the discussion, rather to present facts. It seems I failed. I was also an advocate of EC in its very dark beginning. Nevertheless, Governments negotiating EC in WSIS left out all other actors on purpose in that paragraph. Today, I do believe all other actors than Governments should make themselves heard and claim their space in building the EC process and the complementarity space or relationship between IGF and EC. Best, Miguel Disclaimer My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: Sorry Miguel, Not to belabor point, but - Parminder is right. Frankly, the fumbling of the opportunity around whether to put EC more clearly in the IGF mandate has not been IGC's finest hour. OK, many governments, from North and South, back then were insisting EC was only for them. But yes many around IGC were basically, siding with them. Some of us, who if we bothered we can probably count on at most 2 hands, were actively warning folks that this was a strategic mistake, not just for IGC, and IGF, but really for the whole Internet community and all stakeholders, not to recognize the opportunity to use IGF as place for - dialogue on Enhanced Cooperation. (Milton I definitely will count, and not with...that finger ; ) Now that the consequences of that mistake are not to some folks liking - well too bad, democratically elected governments representing about 1.5 billion (or is it 1.6?) people have spoken up and will talk to GA and not IGC first. So now IGC, and IGF, can choose to play catch up in Kenya, and try to get with the real EC program, which of course, must involve more than just governments - as we IGCers should have always wished, right? Meaning the logic that claimed IGF could not be - part - of the EC dialogue never made sense, as of course we can pull up another paragraph from WSIS that offers an alternate interpretation of what governments 'in their respective roles' should be contributing, along with others, let's be honest. Now, complaining after the fact that governments of North or South aren't bowing to us on this, when we - blew it, big time, back then - well what do we expect? The world to wait for us to realize the net's not going away, and it kind of matters, in very major way, to the billions in the south who didn;t have seats at eg the IETF table when - technical - decisions were being made way back when? Lee (Speaking in my own capacity ie not for Milton or IGP; but maybe for my dual national Brazilian-US wife and kids : ) ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Alcaine [miguel.alcaine at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:11 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry Subject: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal Dear colleagues, I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and 2010) were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different structures of the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. I recall the time when EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in IGF and I also remember a more recent time when some people said there is nothing else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not lauched yet. I agree that some EC might have already happening. I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that Governments backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even knowing that any of you can show me other relevant paragraphs that talk about multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. Nevertheless, It is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the scope of EC and its construction to cover all actors. The possible link and complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by the GA resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications technologies for development): 16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process towards enhanced cooperation and the convening of the Internet Governance Forum, are to be pursued by the Secretary-General through two distinct processes, and recognizes that the two processes may be complementary; But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or an empty box that needs to be filled. It is an opportunity that people may take advantage either to define that complementarity or relationship or to declare by "not doing" that they are not related and possibly giving credibility to the idea that there is no need to do anything else regarding EC. Best, Miguel Disclaimer My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roland Perry > wrote: The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92_en.pdf Including contributions from some invited respondents. There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of responses from all ten: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced CoOperation. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 08:58:12 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:58:12 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, CW Mail wrote: > Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. can you be more specific? > > In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly decided > that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. What is that to do with this case? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Thu Sep 22 09:37:04 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:37:04 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: 1. Most regulatory agencies have or should have temporary restrictions on the future activities of their officials with respect to the regulated industries concerned. 2. Definitely. See my comments from August 2010: http://forum.icann.org/lists/vi-pdp-initial-report/pdfe3itOHmj9w.pdf CW On 22 Sep 2011, at 14:58, McTim wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, CW Mail > wrote: >> Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. > > can you be more specific? > >> >> In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly >> decided >> that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. > > > What is that to do with this case? > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Thu Sep 22 10:54:36 2011 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:54:36 +0900 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Grace for taking the great task ahead. Let me add some more points. 1) I am the member of that CSTD WG, though am not notified the extension, nor received any formal report of the result of CSTD May meeting. Strange. To put other way, please make some emphasis that the game is not over, we are ready to further engaged to make it really better. 2) As you all know, the big earthquake and Tsunami hit East Japan earlier this year, after the big earthquake in Christchurch in NZ. In both cases, Internet was used to help mitigate the burden, though it did not help save many lives directly, it helped people find and share the kind of information they needed badly, and other related works. Some of the services were developed in Kenya, Ushahidi, and elsewhere, Sahana, carried over to other disasters etc. Twitter was used to share the critical information as well to certain degree. Most relief works are done in muliti-stakeholder modality. Still, there is much room to improve for the use of Internet and ICT in natural and man-made severe disasters. But it's the people, NOT the technology that really work during the severe period, and we must not forget that. izumi 2011/9/22 Ginger Paque : > Hi Grace and everyone, > You can probably predict what I am going to point out :) > > Suggest that you note: > Appreciation for the ongoing work for inclusion through e- and remote > participation, and support for continuing development as a model for other > global policy processes. > > Importance of regional IGFs and their results > > Importance of meetings and capacity building in other languages. > > Thanks. I am sure you will represent us beautifully, and I look forward to > your presentation. > > Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > On 21 September 2011 18:13, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> >> Dear Grace, >> I have absolute faith that you are going to give an awesome speech and >> what better way that to have someone civil society in Kenya speaking for all >> of us. From the Pacific, where we have been pushing e participation and >> strategically marketing the workshops and encouraging stakeholders to access >> the meetings through the hubs, noting that the Pacific has 22 countries and >> Territories and 16 of which are independent nation states, it is critical >> that there is inclusion in the workshops, agendas as the challenges from the >> Pacific are different although may be similar in certain instances to other >> regions. I am happy that the Workshops this year have more input from the >> Pacific through remote participation mainly. >> My requests are not lavish (you don't have to put  this in to your speech >> but the spirit of it you can capture). I would like to see:- >> >> Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN >> Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations >> and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the >> remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs - >> this to be done well in advance; >> General letter that can be used to send to Target Groups in the Pacific >> from the Secretariat. >> >> I will say that from the ground up, we have set up Teams in various >> countries within the Pacific to identify and invite to join in the >> discussions that we believe that we can learn from the experiences from >> those around the world and also share some of our experiences and also draw >> resources (lessons, learnings etc) to quickly bridge the gap of the digital >> divide. I believe that that the current multistakeholder model that provides >> for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is >> simply AWESOME. I come from a region where development is sporadic and I >> believe that the multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful >> collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet >> walk away and share a cup of tea. >> Building beside you, >> Sala >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Grace Githaiga >> wrote: >>> >>> Good People >>> >>> I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during >>> the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by >>> Monday. >>> Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran >>> had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). >>> >>> I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's >>> suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday >>> evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers >>> equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, >>> but YOUR speech. Kindly input. >>> >>> With Kind Regards >>> Grace >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life >>> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go >>> forth and rule the World! >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: ias_pk at yahoo.com >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org >>> CC: imran at igfpak.org >>> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 >>> Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >>> >>> Dear Jeremy and all Members, >>> >>> With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also >>> suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: >>> >>> 1.      The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous >>> members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG >>> membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, >>> revision and expansion of the memberships is required. >>> >>> 2.      During past meetings and consolation process regarding the >>> governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least >>> equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have >>> Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities >>> and privilege for Civil Societies. >>> >>> 3.      To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the >>> candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There >>> are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize >>> the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to >>> obtain support. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Imran Ahmad Shah >>> >>> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >>> >>> >>> >>> This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the >>> opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. >>> >>> Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements >>> and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of >>> civil society.  This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we >>> should cover: >>> >>> During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a >>> discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating >>> the previous five, its evolution should continue. >>> The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the >>> Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in >>> shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. >>> Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the >>> multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure >>> if we want to point fingers, here.] >>> This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the >>> task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development >>> processes of those institutions. >>> In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as >>> the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud >>> policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. >>> The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all >>> participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's >>> accessibility, including through online means. >>> The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet >>> governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including >>> those that transcend national borders. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>> Project Coordinator >>> Consumers International >>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>> Malaysia >>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>> >>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>> www.consumersinternational.org >>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>> >>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>> necessary. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sala >> >> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From miguel.alcaine at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 10:56:36 2011 From: miguel.alcaine at gmail.com (Miguel Alcaine) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:56:36 -0600 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Dear Jeremy: You made a good point regarding the involvement of all actors in the process of EC. But I would like to highlight that the paragraph 69 of the TA is only addressing the intended result of EC for governments: "...to enable governments, on an equal footing, to carry out their roles and responsibilities, in international public policy issues pertaining to the Internet..." . Unless I am leaving something out, it keeps quiet regarding what should EC do for other actors. Best, Miguel *Disclaimer* My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > ** > On 22/09/11 01:11, Miguel Alcaine wrote: > > I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the > WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC > in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. > > While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS > outcome documents; it is not. > > > This is so only if you restrict your view to paragraph 69, but you can't > look just at that paragraph outside of its context. There are about ten > paragraphs on EC (though they are intermixed with the paragraphs about the > IGF, lending weight to the argument that the IGF is an integral part of EC > rather than a separate channel of reform). Most of these do leave room for > a multi-stakeholder interpretation, eg. paragraph 71: > > "The process towards enhanced cooperation, to be started by the UN > Secretary-General, involving all relevant organizations by the end of the > first quarter of 2006, will involve all stakeholders in their respective > roles, will proceed as quickly as possible consistent with legal process, > and will be responsive to innovation." > > One can easily argue that paragraph 69 is directed to governments in > relation to CIRs, and that the involvement of other stakeholders in CIR > management is already a given and not controversial. Thus there was no need > to mention the other stakeholders in that particular paragraph. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it not a fact? I also said  that *many* civil > society actors now suddenly very alive to the need of dicussing EC in the > IGF, did not seem so eager earlier on, when attempts to get the EC subject > on IGF agenda was made. This is also a fact. and I needed to state these To avoid confusion, I think you will have to name names. > facts in face of this new onslaught about the evilness of developing country > governments (and, perhaps, also other civil society members) when it was > simply not based on facts (and, more importantly for me, served the agenda > of protecting the global IG status quo). Can we please be honest and perhaps less diplomatic in our language about this. What we are really talking about is the USG -->IANA contract. Is this not what EC is really all about? (was this not the reason the IGF was created as well?, some saw it as a vehicle to take the discussion forward, while others saw it as a way to neutralise the issue). My view on this has changed slightly since the USIGF where I learned (from a hallway discussion with someone who was involved during the Clinton Admin days) that "the USG never intended for ICANN/IANA to float free". So if this is the case, then I doubt even a UN treaty will shake them loose. I can't see any US administration signing that treaty when they (or there party) are facing elections, which is all the time. Doesn't it make more sense for us to focus our considerable time on being productive as a Caucus on ICANN activities if we are concerned about CIRs, or am I just tilting at a windmill? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Thu Sep 22 12:14:11 2011 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:14:11 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> Message-ID: El 22/09/2011, a las 00:19, Jeremy Malcolm escribió: > On 22/09/11 01:11, Miguel Alcaine wrote: >> >> I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. >> >> While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS outcome documents; it is not. > > This is so only if you restrict your view to paragraph 69, but you can't look just at that paragraph outside of its context. There are about ten paragraphs on EC (though they are intermixed with the paragraphs about the IGF, lending weight to the argument that the IGF is an integral part of EC rather than a separate channel of reform). Most of these do leave room for a multi-stakeholder interpretation, eg. paragraph 71: > > "The process towards enhanced cooperation, to be started by the UN Secretary-General, involving all relevant organizations by the end of the first quarter of 2006, will involve all stakeholders in their respective roles, will proceed as quickly as possible consistent with legal process, and will be responsive to innovation." Good points Jeremy: The paragraph 71 also says: "Relevant organizations should commence a process towards enhanced cooperation involving all stakeholders, proceeding as quickly as possible and responsive to innovation. The same relevant organizations shall be requested to provide annual performance reports." What shows clearly that EC was not mentioned in the documents neither as a governmental process nor as a single process. Is the multiplicity of different changes that have to be processed at every level, including changes in the way in which governments and intergovernmental organizations work. Raúl > > One can easily argue that paragraph 69 is directed to governments in relation to CIRs, and that the involvement of other stakeholders in CIR management is already a given and not controversial. Thus there was no need to mention the other stakeholders in that particular paragraph. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > Raul Twitter @raulecheberria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree with  the many important points that have been raised by every one. I would just like to add  that we might want to highlight civil society  as key in democratic governance and the importance of CS equal participation in building an internet of the future. cheers Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Izumi AIZU To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ginger Paque Cc: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro ; Grace Githaiga ; jeremy at ciroap.org; imran at igfpak.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement Thanks Grace for taking the great task ahead. Let me add some more points. 1)  I am the member of that CSTD WG, though am not notified the extension, nor received any formal report of the result of CSTD May meeting. Strange. To put other way, please make some emphasis that the game is not over, we are ready to further engaged to make it really better. 2) As you all know, the big earthquake and Tsunami hit East Japan earlier this year, after the big earthquake in Christchurch in NZ. In both cases, Internet was used to help mitigate the burden, though it did not help save many lives directly, it helped people find and share the kind of information they needed badly, and other related works.  Some of the services were developed in Kenya, Ushahidi, and elsewhere, Sahana, carried over to other disasters etc. Twitter was used to share the critical information as well to certain degree. Most relief works are done in muliti-stakeholder modality. Still, there is much room to improve for the use of Internet and ICT in natural and man-made severe disasters. But it's the people, NOT the technology that really work during the severe period, and we must not forget that. izumi 2011/9/22 Ginger Paque : > Hi Grace and everyone, > You can probably predict what I am going to point out :) > > Suggest that you note: > Appreciation for the ongoing work for inclusion through e- and remote > participation, and support for continuing development as a model for other > global policy processes. > > Importance of regional IGFs and their results > > Importance of meetings and capacity building in other languages. > > Thanks. I am sure you will represent us beautifully, and I look forward to > your presentation. > > Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > On 21 September 2011 18:13, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > wrote: >> >> Dear Grace, >> I have absolute faith that you are going to give an awesome speech and >> what better way that to have someone civil society in Kenya speaking for all >> of us. From the Pacific, where we have been pushing e participation and >> strategically marketing the workshops and encouraging stakeholders to access >> the meetings through the hubs, noting that the Pacific has 22 countries and >> Territories and 16 of which are independent nation states, it is critical >> that there is inclusion in the workshops, agendas as the challenges from the >> Pacific are different although may be similar in certain instances to other >> regions. I am happy that the Workshops this year have more input from the >> Pacific through remote participation mainly. >> My requests are not lavish (you don't have to put  this in to your speech >> but the spirit of it you can capture). I would like to see:- >> >> Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN >> Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations >> and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the >> remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs - >> this to be done well in advance; >> General letter that can be used to send to Target Groups in the Pacific >> from the Secretariat. >> >> I will say that from the ground up, we have set up Teams in various >> countries within the Pacific to identify and invite to join in the >> discussions that we believe that we can learn from the experiences from >> those around the world and also share some of our experiences and also draw >> resources (lessons, learnings etc) to quickly bridge the gap of the digital >> divide. I believe that that the current multistakeholder model that provides >> for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is >> simply AWESOME. I come from a region where development is sporadic and I >> believe that the multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful >> collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet >> walk away and share a cup of tea. >> Building beside you, >> Sala >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Grace Githaiga >> wrote: >>> >>> Good People >>> >>> I finally got a formal confirmation that I will be the CSO speaker during >>> the opening ceremony. I am required to submit some sort of 'speech' by >>> Monday. >>> Jeremy had provided some talking points (thanks alot Jeremy) and Imran >>> had made additions (again, thanks too Imran). >>> >>> I am now asking all of you to look at both Imran's and Jeremy's >>> suggestions, agree, amend, add, subtract, and get back to me by friday >>> evening. Is that alright? This is a multistakeholder process and offers >>> equal opportunities for contribution. Remember, this will not be my speech, >>> but YOUR speech. Kindly input. >>> >>> With Kind Regards >>> Grace >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life >>> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go >>> forth and rule the World! >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: ias_pk at yahoo.com >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jeremy at ciroap.org >>> CC: imran at igfpak.org >>> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:19:38 +0500 >>> Subject: RE: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >>> >>> Dear Jeremy and all Members, >>> >>> With reference to the proposal for the “IGF improvements”, I would also >>> suggest following points / recommendations to be included in the agenda: >>> >>> 1.      The revision of the MAG members of the IGF. As the previous >>> members were given letter of the extension of 1 year of their MAG >>> membership. However, the status has been changed with the passage of time, >>> revision and expansion of the memberships is required. >>> >>> 2.      During past meetings and consolation process regarding the >>> governance, Civil Societies were not given appropriate privilege or at least >>> equal level of opportunities comparing to other ones line those who have >>> Governmental status etc. So, we should raise voices for equal opportunities >>> and privilege for Civil Societies. >>> >>> 3.      To formulizer some Fellowship and Travel Support program for the >>> candidate from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. There >>> are different sponsor organizations on the board of IGF to host and organize >>> the IGF meetings but there is no easy and predefined process to apply to >>> obtain support. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Imran Ahmad Shah >>> >>> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 02:09 PM >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement >>> >>> >>> >>> This thread can be used for suggestions of topics to include in the >>> opening session statement to be delivered by Grace Githaiga. >>> >>> Here are some of my thoughts, focussing on the theme of IGF improvements >>> and policy messages, and also touching on accessibility and the role of >>> civil society.  This is not to suggest that these are the only areas we >>> should cover: >>> >>> During the first five year term of the IGF, it proved itself as a >>> discussion forum. Over the next five years, rather than simply replicating >>> the previous five, its evolution should continue. >>> The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the >>> Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in >>> shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. >>> Over the past year the commitment of some other institutions to the >>> multi-stakeholder principles established at WSIS has proved weak. [Not sure >>> if we want to point fingers, here.] >>> This is a challenge that the IGF can confront by proving itself up to the >>> task of providing concrete and useful inputs into the policy development >>> processes of those institutions. >>> In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as >>> the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can can cloud >>> policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. >>> The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all >>> participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's >>> accessibility, including through online means. >>> The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet >>> governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including >>> those that transcend national borders. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >>> Project Coordinator >>> Consumers International >>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >>> Malaysia >>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>> >>> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >>> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >>> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >>> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >>> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >>> www.consumersinternational.org >>> Twitter @ConsumersInt >>> >>> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >>> necessary. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sala >> >> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>     governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>     http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *            << Writing the Future of the History >>                                 www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Thu Sep 22 13:35:46 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:35:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754970068@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549700B6@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Thanks, Marilia I will take this advice to heart. But in ICANN GAC, it never seems to work out and indeed seems to be getting worse, so forgive me if I seem frustrated and critical. And please note that in ICANN it is the US and EU who are creating the problem, not BRICs, so I hope no one accuses me of applying a double standard building trust continuously with dialogue and I think that gov reps would be open to a frank dialogue during the IGF. The problem is that sometimes we jump into conclusions and we jeopardize constructive debate before it starts. These countries have taken some steps towards non-gov actors, let's also take some steps and dialogue with them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best, Bernard. - Bernard SADAKA On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > Thanks Bernard, > Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in > order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they > can no longer register. > > A. Must they be registered to attend? > B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' > C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? > > Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. > > Best, > Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > > > > > On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: > >> Dear Thompson and All, >> All workshops will have remote participation. >> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >> All the best, >> Bernard. >> - >> Bernard SADAKA >> IGF Secretariat >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >> >>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> D**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>> >>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>> >>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>> >>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>> >>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>> >>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>> >>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>> >>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>> *To:* I G List >>> >>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>> happen**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>> solutions. **** >>> >>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>> remote participants.**** >>> >>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>> >>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>> meetings.'**** >>> >>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in >>> Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >>> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >>> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >>> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >>> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >>> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >>> important. Let us know!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>> >>> Diplo Foundation >>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>> >>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>> >>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jovank at diplomacy.edu Thu Sep 22 13:53:52 2011 From: jovank at diplomacy.edu (Jovan Kurbalija) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:53:52 +0200 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BAB97B9-AB94-4830-9667-865C0A3998AA@diplomacy.edu> In Nairobi? Sent from my iPhone On 22 Sep 2011, at 19:49, Bernard Sadaka wrote: > Dear Ginger, > No registration is required for remote participants, only for Remote Panellists and remote Hubs. > All the best, > Bernard. > - > Bernard SADAKA > > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > Thanks Bernard, > Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they can no longer register. > > A. Must they be registered to attend? > B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' > C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? > > Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. > > Best, > Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > > On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: > Dear Thompson and All, > All workshops will have remote participation. > Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms > All the best, > Bernard. > - > Bernard SADAKA > IGF Secretariat > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote: > Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation? > > > > Thanks, > > > > D > > > > Darlene A. Thompson > > Community Access Program Administrator > > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP > > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > > E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca > > > > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Paque > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM > To: I G List > > > Subject: [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen > > > > > If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the solutions. > Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual remote participants. > Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation that emerge during the workshop. > The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process meetings.' > Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links that will be available at www.intgovforum.org during the IGF, from 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is important. Let us know! > > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Thu Sep 22 15:22:55 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:22:55 +0300 Subject: [governance] What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> On Sep 21, 2011, at 22:57 , Ian Peter wrote: > I've thought for some time that the Internet 15 years out from here is > likely to have neither DNS not IPv6 . Nice to see luminaries such as Bill St > Arnaud also questioning the dominant beliefs in this area > I remember hearing similar prophecies more than 15 years ago, as well. There is nothing particularly "Internet" about the DNS. It was hyped a lot, in order for certain groups of people to make great profits and make themselves important in the "Internet" realm. Mechanisms equivalent or alternative to DNS, providing the same functionality to the upper level protocols have existed for many, many years. One value DNS has is the chain of trust, that is formed from the root to the system administrator that decides and implements the last label. Other than that value, DNS names are just mnemonic labels. Anyone who believes they are anything more (including, that one can regulate mnemonic labels) deserves what they get. IPv6 is an entirely different story. The world just has not discovered the wonders of IPv6, no matter how many demonstrations have been made so far. It's implementation is just a matter of demand -- the technology and infrastructure is already here --- just create the demand and it will show up everywhere (just like what happened with DNSSEC). Daniel____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Thu Sep 22 16:10:43 2011 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:10:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Onsite registration challenge Message-ID: <20110922201043.8CC3E15C0F6@quill.bollow.ch> With all the warnings about picking up badges in advance etc, I'm getting a bit concerned that I might have a problem with being on time at 09.00 on Tuesday morning for a preparatory meeting for a workshop on Tuesday morning (the workshop itself where I'm a panelist starts starts at 11.00). If it's neccessary to be there in person for onsite registration and for collecting the badge, I'll have to do both on Tuesday morning and be inside by 09.00 (I'm arriving late on Monday evening, and I wasn't able to use online registration due to a problem with my passport that has been resolved only after online registration closed.) At what time in the morning do the onsite registration and badging desks open? Is it possible to take any helpful action in advance without being there is person? (E.g. would it help if I ask a friend to go to the onsite registration desks on my behalf before I arrive in Nairobi?) Greetings, Norbert ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From miguel.alcaine at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 17:46:43 2011 From: miguel.alcaine at gmail.com (Miguel Alcaine) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:46:43 -0600 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <4E7AA935.6080605@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Dear Raúl and colleagues: Please find my comments below: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Raul Echeberria wrote: > > El 22/09/2011, a las 00:19, Jeremy Malcolm escribió: > > On 22/09/11 01:11, Miguel Alcaine wrote: > > I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the > WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC > in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. > > While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS > outcome documents; it is not. > > > This is so only if you restrict your view to paragraph 69, but you can't > look just at that paragraph outside of its context. There are about ten > paragraphs on EC (though they are intermixed with the paragraphs about the > IGF, lending weight to the argument that the IGF is an integral part of EC > rather than a separate channel of reform). Most of these do leave room for > a multi-stakeholder interpretation, eg. paragraph 71: > > "The process towards enhanced cooperation, to be started by the UN > Secretary-General, involving all relevant organizations by the end of the > first quarter of 2006, will involve all stakeholders in their respective > roles, will proceed as quickly as possible consistent with legal process, > and will be responsive to innovation." > > > > Good points Jeremy: > > The paragraph 71 also says: > > "Relevant organizations should commence a process towards enhanced > cooperation involving all stakeholders, proceeding as quickly as possible > and responsive to innovation. The same relevant organizations shall be > requested to provide annual performance reports." > > What shows clearly that EC was not mentioned in the documents neither as a > governmental process nor as a single process. Is the multiplicity of > different changes that have to be processed at every level, including > changes in the way in which governments and intergovernmental organizations > work. > > This is also a good point and a very interesting one. Interpreting the paragraph, one might say that an organization, who feels itself relevant in the IG realm, should also commence a process towards enhanced cooperation. Nevertheless, all actors should insist on having all included not only in the process of EC but also in the expected results of EC. Best, Miguel *Disclaimer* My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution > > Raúl > > > > > One can easily argue that paragraph 69 is directed to governments in > relation to CIRs, and that the involvement of other stakeholders in CIR > management is already a given and not controversial. Thus there was no need > to mention the other stakeholders in that particular paragraph. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > *www.consumersinternational.org* > *Twitter @ConsumersInt * > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > Raul > Twitter @raulecheberria > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the distances mentioned on the host country website under the Accommodation section. As I was also taking information about the distances from the website and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending on where from). So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told you this and you should be fine!!! If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what they are paying per night!!! -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From hongxueipr at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 21:58:57 2011 From: hongxueipr at gmail.com (Hong Xue) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:58:57 +0800 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Ginger, I'm the remote panelist on 3 workshops and just completed the registered for the 3rd one. The registration system was still open, up to 3 minutes ago. Best, Hong On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > Thanks Bernard, > Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in > order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they > can no longer register. > > A. Must they be registered to attend? > B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' > C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? > > Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. > > Best, > Ginger > > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > > > > > On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: > >> Dear Thompson and All, >> All workshops will have remote participation. >> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >> All the best, >> Bernard. >> - >> Bernard SADAKA >> IGF Secretariat >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >> >>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> D**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>> >>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>> >>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>> >>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>> >>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>> >>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>> >>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>> >>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>> *To:* I G List >>> >>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>> happen**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>> solutions. **** >>> >>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>> remote participants.**** >>> >>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>> >>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>> meetings.'**** >>> >>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be in >>> Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >>> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >>> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >>> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >>> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >>> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >>> important. Let us know!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>> >>> Diplo Foundation >>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>> >>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>> >>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Dr. Hong Xue Professor of Law Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal University http://www.iipl.org.cn/ 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street Beijing 100875 China -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Sep 23 02:50:39 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:20:39 +0530 Subject: [governance] regulating global digital monopolies Message-ID: <4E7C2C3F.7070605@itforchange.net> See below about an anti-trust inquiry against Google in the US senate... Can a small country in Africa or Asia do such an inquiry against google today. So, whatever the US government decides on whether Google breaks competition law or not, would by default be applicable globally. Can US's commercial (and perhaps social/ cultural/ political) interests not color its judgement on this issue? Even otherwise, is such a undemocratic practice acceptable to us, or do we simply not bother, with multistakeholder participation being our sole agenda ? If unacceptable, what is the global governance response to this key governance issue, and many others like this...... Do we have a response? Are we even headed in the direction where a possible response may lie? What is civil society/ IGC's responsibility in this regard? parminder Good Google or bad Google? Steve Lohr The search giant's online commerce venture is being challenged as a conflict of interest. Good Google or bad Google? Those two headline narratives competed for credibility in a three-hour hearing on Wednesday before a Senate antitrust panel, which heard testimony from Google's chairman Eric E. Schmidt and competitors of the search giant. Google's story: The company is zealously dedicated to helping people find the most useful information on the Internet, and Google's prosperity and the economic opportunity it has created for many thousands of American businesses all flow from that high-minded mission. The rivals' rebuttal: Google increasingly tilts search results in favour of its own online commerce offerings like travel and shopping as it bundles those services into its industry-dominant search engine, limiting choice and stifling competition. The Senate hearing has been the most prominent one yet in the debate about Google's business practices and their effect. Antitrust regulators in the U.S. and Europe are investigating Google as it steadily expands its business beyond search. At the start, Senator Herb Kohl, chairman of the Judiciary's antitrust subcommittee, pointed to the potential conflict of interest. “Is it possible,” he asked, “for Google to be both an unbiased search engine and at the same time own a vast portfolio of Web-based products and services?” Later, he suggested that the profit motive would naturally tilt search results toward Google services. Not so, Mr. Schmidt replied. “I'm not sure Google is a rational business trying to maximise its own profits,” he said. He never mentioned Microsoft by name, but his testimony was intended to draw a distinction between his company and the last technology powerhouse that was investigated, sued and found to have violated antitrust laws. That former innovator, Mr. Schmidt said, “lost sight of what matters and Washington stepped in.” Google, he said, has studied that history. “We get it,” Mr. Schmidt said. “We get the lessons of our predecessors.” Later, circling back to that theme, he said, “One company's past needn't be another's future.” Mr. Schmidt described the online economy as highly competitive, with users “one click away” from other sources of information. The many rivals include search engines like Microsoft's Bing, review and listing sites like Yelp, comparison shopping sites like Nextag, online merchants like Amazon and social networks like Facebook. “The Internet is the ultimate level playing field,” he said. There were a few testy moments. Senator Mike Lee showed a chart with the rankings for Google Product Search in hundreds of shopping searches, compared with the rankings of three comparison shopping sites, Nextag, Pricegrabber and Shopper. The rivals' rankings varied widely, while Google's service was consistently ranked third. Mr. Schmidt first replied that the chart was an “apples to oranges” analogy, because the Google service steers users to specific products and is not a shopping comparison site. Unconvinced, Mr. Lee said, “You cooked it so you are always No. 3.” Mr. Schmidt replied, his voice tightening, “Senator, I can assure we haven't cooked anything.” Google's competitors testified in a second panel, after Mr. Schmidt, an arrangement that Google requested and the subcommittee accepted. The competitors described a different world than Mr. Schmidt portrayed, saying Google has immense market power and uses it. Jeffrey Katz, the chief executive of Nextag, said Google was “an outstanding partner to us for many years,” but the relationship has become strained as the search company expanded. Google's business interests, he said, conflict with its commitment to an open-for-all Internet. “But what Google engineering giveth, Google marketing taketh away,” Mr. Katz said. “Today, Google doesn't play fair. Google rigs its results, biasing in favour of Google Shopping and against competitors like us.” The issue, he said in a separate interview, is subtle and does not affect all Google searches, mainly ones related to buying goods or services. “When you search for ‘running shoes' or ‘digital camera,' Google transforms itself from an independent search engine to a commerce site,” Mr. Katz said. “But that is not what happens when you type in a search for, say, ‘kidney dialysis.'” Jeremy Stoppelman, the chief of Yelp, said sites like his have to cooperate with Google because it is the gateway to so many users. About half of Yelp's visitors come through Google search. Google, Mr. Stoppelman said, folds the reviews of other sites into its own offerings. “Google forces review websites to provide their content for free to benefit Google's own competing product not consumers,” he said. “Google then gives its own product preferential treatment.” Under questioning, both Internet entrepreneurs were asked, given Google's evolution, would they start their businesses today. They would not, they said. “With Google taking so much of the real estate, I wouldn't do it today,” Mr. Stoppelman replied. Mr. Katz said Google should either give competitors in online commerce equal treatment in search results or clearly disclose its conflict of interest. He punctuated his point by using the same phrasing Mr. Schmidt did when he testified. “Level playing field, level playing field, level playing field,” Mr. Katz said. *— New York Times News Service * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't parse your meaning here. > Even otherwise, is such a undemocratic practice acceptable to us, or do we > simply not bother, with multistakeholder participation being our sole agenda > ? > Since when is applying the laws of a nation undemocratic? > If unacceptable, what is the global governance response to this key > governance issue, and many others like this...... > nothing, i hope. > Do we have a response? > Don't use Google (or FB or whatever). > Are we even headed in the direction where a possible response may lie? > I truly hope not. > What is civil society/ IGC's responsibility in this regard? > > stop auto-hating for one thing. Seriously, It does not appear that Google has broken any laws (or even regulations) in this area. We have a responsibility to NOT assume that success = evilness. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Fri Sep 23 04:46:58 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:46:58 +0200 Subject: SV: [governance] regulating global digital monopolies References: <4E7C2C3F.7070605@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C572@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Parminder: Can a small country in Africa or Asia do such an inquiry against google today? Wolfgang: Germany is certainly not a "small country" but a good example how "global" and "local" works together. When the Germans protested against Google Street View in 2010, Google changed its policies according to the German wishes and made clear that it respects national law. I can not see that Google will ignore a law in Kenya or Botswana just to squeeze our more business from those countries. BTW that is one reason why I proposed in the CSTD IGF Improvement Working Group to enhance the IGF, inter alia, towards a "watchdog". If something goes wrong, the IGF can ring the alarm bells and moblize the broader public (including governments) to stop unfair or illegal activities by large corporations or undemocratic governments. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 05:00:32 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:00:32 +0300 Subject: [governance] regulating global digital monopolies In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C572@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4E7C2C3F.7070605@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C572@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Good Points Wolfgang, 2011/9/23 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > Parminder: > Can a small country in Africa or Asia do such an inquiry against google > today? > > Wolfgang: > Germany is certainly not a "small country" but a good example how "global" > and "local" works together. When the Germans protested against Google Street > View in 2010, Google changed its policies according to the German wishes and > made clear that it respects national law. I can not see that Google will > ignore a law in Kenya or Botswana BTW, I do know several of folk who run Google in Africa. There job is NOT to make money here, but to build the ecosystems that will enable them to further their mission long term (and yes, perhaps to make money eventually, which is what all social entrepreneurs do). In other words, Google is spending money in Africa to get more Africans online, build more local (and localised) content, adding caches so that more traffic stays in Africa, running free events and coding competitions (with cash prizes), offering free websites for local businesses (see kbo.co.ke), offering subsidised bandwidth to Universities across the Continent, etc, etc. I know the countries here in Africa where I have lived are DELIGHTED to have Google open offices here, as they are creating jobs, investing money, paying taxes and creating whole ecosystems of companies who will also do all of the above. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From riaz.tayob at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 06:03:40 2011 From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:03:40 +0200 Subject: [governance] Internet restrictions present,new trade barrier: WTO session Message-ID: <4E7C597C.90309@gmail.com> Internet restrictions present new trade barrier: WTO session Provided by iPolitics Staff Posted on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 3:55 pm by BJ Siekierski GENEVA – It’s connected every corner of the world and transformed the way business is done, but individual countries’ restrictions on the Internet have become the biggest new trade barrier, a WTO Public Forum Session argued on Wednesday. “If you look at the tariff protectionism in the world, if you look at the big trading partners… all of them have a weighted average of around less than five per cent — even the ones who usually get labeled as protectionists,” said Hosuk Lee-Makiyama, director of the European Centre for International Political Economy. Non-tariff trade barriers are hard to compare, said Lee-Makiyama, but if there was a tariff equivalents, many say it would be several hundred per cent. William Echikson, the head of free expression at Google had a long list of trade barriers. “Things like installing surveillance tools onto the Internet infrastructure, blocking online services outright — or regularly disrupting them,” Echikson said. He said that imposing requirements on the online service providers without making these requirements public and issuing orders to online service providers without any legal process are also considered trade barriers. Local data storage requirements are another aspect that Echikson said is particularly problematic. Generally speaking, he said, any Internet regulation that favors local companies should be rooted out. “A local presence requirement, that’s also a very important thing, because with Google we can serve local countries around the world without actually physically being there,” he said. Moderator Edward Black, president and CEO of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, encouraged the World Trade Organization to address some of these issues. “Clearly, I think we think the WTO needs to step forward and address Internet-centric issues in order to stay relevant,” Black said. Black acknowledged there is an agreement (GATS) in place at the WTO to defend against these types of actions, but it remains to be seen how it will be enforced. “Although the WTO dispute settlement appellate body rulings made clear that GATS does extend to services provided online, it’s unclear how far the GATS article 14 on public morals and security exemptions will extend this space,” Black said. “We need to test those limits and find out what they are.” For Lee-Makiyama, who said 50 per cent of all cross-border trade would disappear if the Internet ceased to exist, it might be time to go a bit further than that. “I think there is a serious case for a separate sector agreement,” he said. © 2011 iPolitics Inc. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 07:01:33 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:31:33 -0430 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wonderful, Hong, I look forward to 'seeing' you on the panel. Yes, registration is open for remote panelists/presenters, and this is very important. Those who will be audience participants by remote do not need to register. Please join us using the links at www.intgovforum The links will be available on the days of the meetings, including Monday's pre-event meetings. See you there! (in person or online) Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 22 September 2011 21:28, Hong Xue wrote: > > Dear Ginger, > > I'm the remote panelist on 3 workshops and just completed the registered > for the 3rd one. The registration system was still open, up to 3 minutes > ago. > > Best, > > Hong > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Thanks Bernard, >> Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in >> order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they >> can no longer register. >> >> A. Must they be registered to attend? >> B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' >> C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? >> >> Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. >> >> Best, >> Ginger >> >> >> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >> Diplo Foundation >> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >> >> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org >> * >> >> >> >> >> On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: >> >>> Dear Thompson and All, >>> All workshops will have remote participation. >>> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >>> All the best, >>> Bernard. >>> - >>> Bernard SADAKA >>> IGF Secretariat >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >>> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Thanks,**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> D**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>>> >>>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>>> >>>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>>> >>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>>> >>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>>> >>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>>> >>>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>>> *To:* I G List >>>> >>>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>>> happen**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>>> solutions. **** >>>> >>>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>>> remote participants.**** >>>> >>>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>>> >>>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>>> meetings.'**** >>>> >>>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be >>>> in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >>>> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >>>> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >>>> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >>>> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >>>> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >>>> important. Let us know!**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>>> >>>> Diplo Foundation >>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>>> >>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>> >>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Hong Xue > Professor of Law > Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) > Beijing Normal University > http://www.iipl.org.cn/ > 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street > Beijing 100875 China > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 07:21:43 2011 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:21:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Isn't it possible to create some type of registration process for remote participants that would give at least a rough idea of numbers and geographic spread? These indicators are really important when it comes to the continuance, and the authority of the IGF. I'm not a techie, but surely some type of virtual "sign-up sheet", linked to the IGF website, asking for name, gender, location, and which of government, academic, civil society, business ... one belongs to shouldn't be too difficult to create? Deirdre On 23 September 2011 07:01, Ginger Paque wrote: > Wonderful, Hong, I look forward to 'seeing' you on the panel. > > Yes, registration is open for remote panelists/presenters, and this is very > important. > > Those who will be audience participants by remote do not need to register. > Please join us using the links at www.intgovforum The links will be > available on the days of the meetings, including Monday's pre-event > meetings. > > See you there! (in person or online) > > Cheers, > Ginger > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > > > > > On 22 September 2011 21:28, Hong Xue wrote: > >> >> Dear Ginger, >> >> I'm the remote panelist on 3 workshops and just completed the registered >> for the 3rd one. The registration system was still open, up to 3 minutes >> ago. >> >> Best, >> >> Hong >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> Thanks Bernard, >>> Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in >>> order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they >>> can no longer register. >>> >>> A. Must they be registered to attend? >>> B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' >>> C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? >>> >>> Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. >>> >>> Best, >>> Ginger >>> >>> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >>> Diplo Foundation >>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>> >>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Thompson and All, >>>> All workshops will have remote participation. >>>> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >>>> All the best, >>>> Bernard. >>>> - >>>> Bernard SADAKA >>>> IGF Secretariat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >>>> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Thanks,**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> D**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>>>> >>>>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>>>> >>>>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>>>> >>>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>>>> >>>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>>>> >>>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>>>> >>>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>>>> >>>>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>>>> *To:* I G List >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>>>> happen**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>>>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>>>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>>>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>>>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>>>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>>>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>>>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>>>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>>>> solutions. **** >>>>> >>>>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>>>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>>>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>>>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>>>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>>>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>>>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>>>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>>>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>>>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>>>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>>>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>>>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>>>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>>>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>>>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>>>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>>>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>>>> remote participants.**** >>>>> >>>>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>>>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>>>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>>>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>>>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>>>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>>>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>>>> >>>>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>>>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>>>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>>>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>>>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>>>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>>>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>>>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>>>> meetings.'**** >>>>> >>>>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be >>>>> in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >>>>> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >>>>> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >>>>> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >>>>> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >>>>> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >>>>> important. Let us know!**** >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>>>> >>>>> Diplo Foundation >>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>>>> >>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>>> >>>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Hong Xue >> Professor of Law >> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) >> Beijing Normal University >> http://www.iipl.org.cn/ >> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street >> Beijing 100875 China >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 08:20:59 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:20:59 +1200 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. Sala On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > Dear IGF goers! > > My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are > already sharing some good amounts of information! > > Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON > is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the > distances mentioned on the host country website > < > http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=30 > > > under the Accommodation section. > > As I was also taking information about the distances from the website > and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was > getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is > Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. > > Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you > can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel > even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main > entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. > > My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as > they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can > expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending > on where from). > > So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, > over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis > from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour > (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. > > Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened > with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay > only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told > you this and you should be fine!!! > > If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! > > It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what > they are paying per night!!! > > -- > Regards. > -------------------------- > Fouad Bajwa > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cls at rkey.com Fri Sep 23 08:56:04 2011 From: cls at rkey.com (Craig Simon) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:56:04 -0400 Subject: [governance] China wants international code of conduct on internet, etc. (Letter to SG) In-Reply-To: <497E7BBC-590F-4FC1-A110-FECFF54310EF@christopherwilkinson.eu> References: <4E787EA2.8020901@apc.org> <497E7BBC-590F-4FC1-A110-FECFF54310EF@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: <4E7C81E4.7060909@rkey.com> Kieren McCarthy weighs in, drawing attention to the nuance of using "multi-lateral" versus "multi-stakeholder." http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/09/22/internet-governance-fight-looms On 9/20/11 12:06 PM, CW Mail wrote: > http://www.itu.int/wsis/docs/background/resolutions/57-53.pdf > > http://www.unidir.org/pdf/activites/pdf2-act82.pdf > > Good evening: > > It would appear that these matters have been under discussion in the UN > context for at least the past decade. > What conclusions might one draw . . . > > CW > > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 13:53, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > >> See attached letter. >> >> Anriette >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 09:06:14 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:36:14 -0430 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is an excellent idea, and to a point has been started. We are working on improving the process, and Bernard is doing a great job. I find the whole WS and registration/online process to be much better this year (thanks B). Please rest assured that each remote moderator makes note of the remote participants in each session. Remote participation is very important, and we are making careful notes of interventions, comments, suggestions, feedback and statistics. Remote participants are perhaps the most important participants in this process--with appologies to all of those who are spending time and money to travel to Nairobi. I know my prejudices are showing. But I see this as a way to improve inclusion in global policy processes, and appreciate the effort it takes to operate in a virtual time zone (Nairobi) that is different from the one your physical world is following. With appreciation to all: in situ, remote, collaborators--everyone who helps make this happen! Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 23 September 2011 06:51, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Isn't it possible to create some type of registration process for remote > participants that would give at least a rough idea of numbers and geographic > spread? > These indicators are really important when it comes to the continuance, and > the authority of the IGF. > I'm not a techie, but surely some type of virtual "sign-up sheet", linked > to the IGF website, asking for name, gender, location, and which of > government, academic, civil society, business ... one belongs to shouldn't > be too difficult to create? > Deirdre > > > On 23 September 2011 07:01, Ginger Paque wrote: > >> Wonderful, Hong, I look forward to 'seeing' you on the panel. >> >> Yes, registration is open for remote panelists/presenters, and this is >> very important. >> >> Those who will be audience participants by remote do not need to register. >> Please join us using the links at www.intgovforum The links will be >> available on the days of the meetings, including Monday's pre-event >> meetings. >> >> See you there! (in person or online) >> >> Cheers, >> Ginger >> >> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >> Diplo Foundation >> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >> >> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org >> * >> >> >> >> >> On 22 September 2011 21:28, Hong Xue wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Ginger, >>> >>> I'm the remote panelist on 3 workshops and just completed the registered >>> for the 3rd one. The registration system was still open, up to 3 minutes >>> ago. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Hong >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Bernard, >>>> Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered in >>>> order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so they >>>> can no longer register. >>>> >>>> A. Must they be registered to attend? >>>> B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' >>>> C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? >>>> >>>> Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Ginger >>>> >>>> >>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >>>> Diplo Foundation >>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>> >>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Thompson and All, >>>>> All workshops will have remote participation. >>>>> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Bernard. >>>>> - >>>>> Bernard SADAKA >>>>> IGF Secretariat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >>>>> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?*** >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks,**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> D**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>>>>> >>>>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>>>>> >>>>>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] >>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>>>>> *To:* I G List >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>>>>> happen**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>>>>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>>>>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>>>>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>>>>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>>>>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>>>>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>>>>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>>>>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>>>>> solutions. **** >>>>>> >>>>>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>>>>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>>>>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>>>>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>>>>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>>>>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>>>>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>>>>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>>>>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>>>>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>>>>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>>>>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>>>>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>>>>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>>>>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>>>>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>>>>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>>>>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>>>>> remote participants.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>>>>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>>>>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>>>>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>>>>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>>>>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>>>>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>>>>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>>>>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>>>>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>>>>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>>>>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>>>>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>>>>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>>>>> meetings.'**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not be >>>>>> in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the links >>>>>> that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the IGF, from >>>>>> 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for inclusion >>>>>> in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to reduce the >>>>>> digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation framework for >>>>>> international policy conferences and policy processes? Your voice is >>>>>> important. Let us know!**** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Diplo Foundation >>>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>>>>> >>>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>>> >>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Hong Xue >>> Professor of Law >>> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) >>> Beijing Normal University >>> http://www.iipl.org.cn/ >>> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street >>> Beijing 100875 China >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 09:39:36 2011 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:39:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I spent this week at the second meeting of the Caribbean Network Operators' Group - CARIBnog - and was really happy to find that they were facilitating remote participation for that meeting too. I know that everyone is terrifically busy at the moment. I have been admiring and applauding from afar Bernard and Grace and lots of other people whose names I don't know. But let's try to make registration for remote participants, if possible for those who will only listen as well as for the active participants, a standard for future IGFs. I wish you all safe travel, happy landings and a productive and enjoyable meeting. I'll be with you in spirit, and hopefully also virtually. Deirdre On 23 September 2011 09:06, Ginger Paque wrote: > This is an excellent idea, and to a point has been started. We are working > on improving the process, and Bernard is doing a great job. I find the whole > WS and registration/online process to be much better this year (thanks B). > > Please rest assured that each remote moderator makes note of the remote > participants in each session. Remote participation is very important, and we > are making careful notes of interventions, comments, suggestions, feedback > and statistics. > > Remote participants are perhaps the most important participants in this > process--with appologies to all of those who are spending time and money to > travel to Nairobi. I know my prejudices are showing. But I see this as a way > to improve inclusion in global policy processes, and appreciate the effort > it takes to operate in a virtual time zone (Nairobi) that is different from > the one your physical world is following. > > With appreciation to all: in situ, remote, collaborators--everyone who > helps make this happen! > > Cheers, > Ginger > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > > > > > On 23 September 2011 06:51, Deirdre Williams wrote: > >> Isn't it possible to create some type of registration process for remote >> participants that would give at least a rough idea of numbers and geographic >> spread? >> These indicators are really important when it comes to the continuance, >> and the authority of the IGF. >> I'm not a techie, but surely some type of virtual "sign-up sheet", linked >> to the IGF website, asking for name, gender, location, and which of >> government, academic, civil society, business ... one belongs to shouldn't >> be too difficult to create? >> Deirdre >> >> >> On 23 September 2011 07:01, Ginger Paque wrote: >> >>> Wonderful, Hong, I look forward to 'seeing' you on the panel. >>> >>> Yes, registration is open for remote panelists/presenters, and this is >>> very important. >>> >>> Those who will be audience participants by remote do not need to >>> register. Please join us using the links at www.intgovforum The links >>> will be available on the days of the meetings, including Monday's pre-event >>> meetings. >>> >>> See you there! (in person or online) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ginger >>> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >>> Diplo Foundation >>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>> >>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 September 2011 21:28, Hong Xue wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear Ginger, >>>> >>>> I'm the remote panelist on 3 workshops and just completed the registered >>>> for the 3rd one. The registration system was still open, up to 3 minutes >>>> ago. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Hong >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Bernard, >>>>> Several people on the list have asked whether they must be registered >>>>> in order to attend remote sessions--online registration is now closed, so >>>>> they can no longer register. >>>>> >>>>> A. Must they be registered to attend? >>>>> B. Better if they are so they are 'counted' >>>>> C. Will online registration open later for remote participants only? >>>>> >>>>> Gracias! Your work is very much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ginger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque >>>>> Diplo Foundation >>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig >>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>>> >>>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 September 2011 07:03, Bernard Sadaka wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Thompson and All, >>>>>> All workshops will have remote participation. >>>>>> Links will soon be published on http://www.intgovforum.org/cms >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> Bernard. >>>>>> - >>>>>> Bernard SADAKA >>>>>> IGF Secretariat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene < >>>>>> DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Will all of the sessions be available for remote participation?** >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks,**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> D**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Darlene A. Thompson**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Community Access Program Administrator**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone: (867) 975-5631**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fax: (867) 975-5610**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E-mail: dthompson at gov.nu.ca**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] >>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Ginger Paque >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:31 AM >>>>>>> *To:* I G List >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* [governance] Remote and e-participation: we must make it >>>>>>> happen**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we could do just one thing that would make a difference to our >>>>>>> communication problems, to our understanding of the world, to the conflict >>>>>>> we live in – what should it be? We could bridge the digital divide – >>>>>>> dedicate more tools and resources to facilitate increased participation and >>>>>>> inclusion in national, regional and global policy processes. One of the >>>>>>> strongest resources we have for bridging that divide is e-participation. >>>>>>> E-participation brings people into the processes that govern the world, >>>>>>> ensuring that the diversity and complexity of voices are heard. Real >>>>>>> problems are addressed and citizens are involved in the ownership of the >>>>>>> solutions. **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since its inception at the World Summit on the Information Society >>>>>>> (WSIS), the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) process has made frequent >>>>>>> mention of the digital divide. As the IGF matures, we have learned that the >>>>>>> divides are various and go beyond the traditional one of Internet access. >>>>>>> One of the divides is between those who can impact Internet policy and those >>>>>>> who cannot. Even at the most successful IGFs we do not have more than 2000 >>>>>>> participants. What about the remaining billions who will be impacted by >>>>>>> Internet policy but have no input into the process? This is where >>>>>>> e-participation and its potential fit in. E-participation can be as simple >>>>>>> as broadcasting/webcasting (remote observation). However the IGF has made >>>>>>> concrete steps towards moving from remote observation to actual remote >>>>>>> participation. Workshop, and even main session presentations are now >>>>>>> delivered remotely, as are audience interventions in main sessions and >>>>>>> workshops. E-participation is used from the beginning of the IGF work year >>>>>>> for open consultations by e-mail, mailing lists, and websites, to encourage >>>>>>> input into the planning and organisation of the agenda each year. This year, >>>>>>> over 35 remote hubs around the world will meet in parallel and connect to >>>>>>> the IGF main meeting in Nairobi, in addition to hundreds of individual >>>>>>> remote participants.**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now that we have tested and proven the basic concept and technical >>>>>>> structures of e-participation, it is time to study the principles that >>>>>>> should guide this important tool. So Diplo is organizing Workshop 67 to be >>>>>>> held on 29 September at 9 a.m. Nairobi, (EAT UTC/GMT +3) where participants >>>>>>> and panellists will analyse and propose basic principles for e-participation >>>>>>> in global policy processes, as well as noting guidelines for e-participation >>>>>>> that emerge during the workshop.**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The output of this roundtable will be a draft list of principles for >>>>>>> later discussion. These principles will not simply be guidelines, such as: >>>>>>> 'all panels should have a remote moderator to interact with remote >>>>>>> participants and facilitate their interventions in the sessions', although >>>>>>> we expect to hear and note such guidelines as well. Rather, the objective of >>>>>>> the workshop is to gather input for principles such as (informal draft >>>>>>> possibility) 'E-participation, and specifically remote participation should >>>>>>> be offered to ensure inclusion of unheard voices in global policy process >>>>>>> meetings.'**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your ideas and input are important to this process. If you will not >>>>>>> be in Nairobi for the IGF, please try to join us remotely, following the >>>>>>> links that will be available at *www.intgovforum.org* during the >>>>>>> IGF, from 27-30 September. You are also invited to post your ideas here for >>>>>>> inclusion in the discussion. How can and should e-participation be used to >>>>>>> reduce the digital divide? What should be the standard e-participation >>>>>>> framework for international policy conferences and policy processes? Your >>>>>>> voice is important. Let us know!**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque**** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Diplo Foundation >>>>>>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: >>>>>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org***** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Hong Xue >>>> Professor of Law >>>> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) >>>> Beijing Normal University >>>> http://www.iipl.org.cn/ >>>> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street >>>> Beijing 100875 China >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In 1998, Wired magazine named Hart to its "Wired 25," a list of people around the world who were "actively, even hyperactively, inventing tomorrow." Hart had his critics. He was often disparaged by academics, who complained of typographical and other errors in Project Gutenberg books. He was not beloved in the traditional publishing world, which he often attacked for profiting on the works of long-dead writers. He disapproved of U.S. copyright laws, which keep popular works out of the public domain for decades after an author has died. Hart dismissed his critics' attacks. "I'm not doing this to make the academic community happy," he told the Chicago Tribune in 1999. He aimed to serve the masses. "I am a revolutionary in this neo-industrial revolution. That's why they have trouble with me. How can anyone be troubled by free information? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From meraszendro at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 11:30:43 2011 From: meraszendro at gmail.com (Mera Szendro Bok) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:30:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, If you are interested in Michael Hart's work you will be interested in Public Knowledge's video: "An ode to Michael Hart" about the great work he has done to advance openness on various digital platforms: http://www.publicknowledge.org/ode-michael-hart-project-gutenberg-and-open-format Have a nice weekend, Mera -- Mera Szendro Bok: Communications Strategist on Media Reform and Communication Rights Founder and Director of Communication Is Your Right! www.communicationisyourright.org My blog: http://meraszendrobok.org/ Find me on Twitter @MeraSB and @commisyourright Linked In : http://www.linkedin.com/in/meraszendro On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > One aspect of governance is access. > I learned today from Bytesforall of the death of Michael Hart - the Project > Gutenberg man. > Below is the end of the article published by Bytesforall which I think > originated as a Guardian obituary. > > In 1998, Wired magazine named Hart to its "Wired 25," a list of people > around the world who were "actively, even hyperactively, inventing > tomorrow." > > Hart had his critics. He was often disparaged by academics, who complained > of typographical and other errors in Project Gutenberg books. He was not > beloved in the traditional publishing world, which he often attacked for > profiting on the works of long-dead writers. He disapproved of U.S. > copyright laws, which keep popular works out of the public domain for > decades after an author has died. > > Hart dismissed his critics' attacks. > > "I'm not doing this to make the academic community happy," he told the > Chicago Tribune in 1999. He aimed to serve the masses. "I am a > revolutionary > in this neo-industrial revolution. That's why they have trouble with me. > How > can anyone be troubled by free information? " > > *elaine.woo@ latimes.com <%2Aelaine.woo%40latimes.com>* > > Deirdre > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri Sep 23 13:32:22 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:32:22 -0300 Subject: [governance] Definition EC In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C55D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410669F@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C55D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E7CC2A6.1030000@cafonso.ca> Huge advance, Wolf! :) Frankly, what is this? If it were a students' work, how would you academics grade it? Sorry about my pessimism... --c.a. On 09/22/2011 09:51 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > In an acedemic meeting in Summer 2007 a group of experts tried to > define EC. Based on the two paras. from the Tunis agenda we deinfed > it as "enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration (EC3) > among governmental and non-governmental stakeholders". This does not > exclude special intergovernmental (legally binding or non-binding) > arrangements as long as they are embedded into a multistekholder > framework, do not exclude others, understand themselves as part of a > network (in their specific roles) and do not put thesmelves on the > top of a hierarchy. > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Fra: governance at lists.cpsr.org på vegne af Miguel Alcaine Sendt: on > 21-09-2011 20:14 Til: Lee W McKnight Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; > Roland Perry Emne: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > > Dear colleagues: > > My intention was not to take a side in the discussion, rather to > present facts. It seems I failed. > > I was also an advocate of EC in its very dark beginning. > > Nevertheless, Governments negotiating EC in WSIS left out all other > actors on purpose in that paragraph. > > Today, I do believe all other actors than Governments should make > themselves heard and claim their space in building the EC process and > the complementarity space or relationship between IGF and EC. > > Best, > > Miguel > > Disclaimer My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any > position of my employer or any other institution > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Lee W McKnight > wrote: > > > Sorry Miguel, Not to belabor point, but - Parminder is right. > Frankly, the fumbling of the opportunity around whether to put EC > more clearly in the IGF mandate has not been IGC's finest hour. OK, > many governments, from North and South, back then were insisting EC > was only for them. But yes many around IGC were basically, siding > with them. Some of us, who if we bothered we can probably count on > at most 2 hands, were actively warning folks that this was a > strategic mistake, not just for IGC, and IGF, but really for the > whole Internet community and all stakeholders, not to recognize the > opportunity to use IGF as place for - dialogue on Enhanced > Cooperation. (Milton I definitely will count, and not with...that > finger ; ) Now that the consequences of that mistake are not to some > folks liking - well too bad, democratically elected governments > representing about 1.5 billion (or is it 1.6?) people have spoken up > and will talk to GA and not IGC first. So now IGC, and IGF, can > choose to play catch up in Kenya, and try to get with the real EC > program, which of course, must involve more than just governments - > as we IGCers should have always wished, right? Meaning the logic > that claimed IGF could not be - part - of the EC dialogue never made > sense, as of course we can pull up another paragraph from WSIS that > offers an alternate interpretation of what governments 'in their > respective roles' should be contributing, along with others, let's be > honest. Now, complaining after the fact that governments of North or > South aren't bowing to us on this, when we - blew it, big time, back > then - well what do we expect? The world to wait for us to realize > the net's not going away, and it kind of matters, in very major way, > to the billions in the south who didn;t have seats at eg the IETF > table when - technical - decisions were being made way back when? > Lee (Speaking in my own capacity ie not for Milton or IGP; but maybe > for my dual national Brazilian-US wife and kids : ) > ________________________________________ From: > governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of > Miguel Alcaine [miguel.alcaine at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September > 21, 2011 1:11 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry Subject: > Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > Dear colleagues, I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced > Cooperation (2009 and 2010) were produced by DESA and not by the > CSTD. They are different structures of the UN, but their work goes > mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. I recall the time when > EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in IGF and I also > remember a more recent time when some people said there is nothing > else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it > was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not > lauched yet. I agree that some EC might have already happening. I > would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of > the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is > found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. While > I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS > outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that > Governments backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even > knowing that any of you can show me other relevant paragraphs that > talk about multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. Nevertheless, It > is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the scope of EC > and its construction to cover all actors. The possible link and > complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by the GA > resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications > technologies for > development): > > > > 16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes > of the World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process > towards enhanced cooperation and the convening of the Internet > Governance Forum, are to be pursued by the Secretary-General through > two distinct processes, and recognizes that the two processes may be > complementary; But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or > an empty box that needs to be filled. It is an opportunity that > people may take advantage either to define that complementarity or > relationship or to declare by "not doing" that they are not related > and possibly giving credibility to the idea that there is no need to > do anything else regarding EC. Best, Miguel Disclaimer My ideas > are those of my own and does not represent any position of my > employer or any other institution. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 > PM, Roland Perry > > > wrote: The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92_en.pdf Including > contributions from some invited respondents. There's also this room > document from 2010, which has an updated set of responses from all > ten: http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf This should > be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced CoOperation. > -- Roland Perry > ____________________________________________________________ You > received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org To be > removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and > to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate > this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You > received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and > to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bortzmeyer at internatif.org Fri Sep 23 13:32:48 2011 From: bortzmeyer at internatif.org (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:32:48 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110923173248.GA14604@sources.org> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 05:57:06AM +1000, Ian Peter wrote a message of 26 lines which said: > Nice to see luminaries such as Bill St Arnaud also questioning the > dominant beliefs in this area > > http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-comes-after-ipv6-and-dns.html Very poor paper, lacking any details on what exactly he suggests. Did you notice the date of this paper? Hype like .P2P and IDONS have not advanced a single step since this paper was written. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bortzmeyer at internatif.org Fri Sep 23 13:33:39 2011 From: bortzmeyer at internatif.org (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:33:39 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> References: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <20110923173339.GB14604@sources.org> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:22:55PM +0300, Daniel Kalchev wrote a message of 41 lines which said: > Mechanisms equivalent or alternative to DNS, providing the same > functionality to the upper level protocols have existed for many, > many years. I note you do not mention even *one* of these wonderful mechanisms. It tells us a lot about their value. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Fri Sep 23 16:38:59 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:38:59 -0400 Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> , Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A694@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Christopher: There is nothing of substance in the EU or US challenge to the vertical integration (VI) decision. As usual, neither the EC nor the US had the presence of mind or seriousness of purpose to participate in the working group that dealt with the VI decision. Their comments are ignorant of what was actually proposed and what transpired in the working group. Indeed, the working group actually proposed to have a market power test that could be referred to national competition authorities. As usual, the GAC came in months afterwards asking ICANN to institute a market power check by national authorities - a completely irrelevant comment by that time. I suspect that both the EU and US were lobbied by TM interests and were simply looking for an excuse to delay progress. Perhaps you can explain to me how a completely new registry, with ZERO market share, which other registrars may not want to promote without payment or kickbacks, can cause a competition policy problem? How can it have market power? If you want to be better informed about this issue, I suggest that you read the archives of the VI WG list, and the reports that were produced by the VI Wg. Furthermore, the conflict of interest issue (i.e., Dengate-Thrush's movement to Minds and Machines) actually could have occured with or without the VI decision, and thus your argument is irrelevant. ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of CW Mail [mail at christopherwilkinson.eu] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:54 AM To: McTim; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly decided that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. So now we have - as I foresaw last month - both the EU and the US (a) pointing up the conflict of interest and (b) questioning the competition policy aspects of the vertical integration decision. For a bottom-up, consensus driven process in which the At Large are representing the public interest, that is quite an achievement. Regards to you all, CW On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:16, McTim wrote: > I'm not so sure about a cooling off period and 2 years is a long time. > > What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related > policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be > allowed? > > The devil would be in the details, certainly! > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail > wrote: >> http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 >> >> Ah, Indeed. >> >> CW >> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im >>> Auftrag >>> von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 >>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org >>> Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF >>> HIS TERM >>> >>> There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which >>> should have >>> been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN >>> Nominating >>> Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by >>> GAC or >>> the >>> US. >>> >>> Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators >>> should be >>> subject to a 24 month cooling off period. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> CW >>> >>> >>> Original Message: >>> ----------------- >>> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang >>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 >>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS >>> TERM >>> >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ >>> 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html >>> >>> wolfgang >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > > - > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Fri Sep 23 16:42:13 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:42:13 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net>, Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> This is false. > Clinton Admin days) that "the USG never intended for > ICANN/IANA to float free". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Fri Sep 23 16:44:13 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:44:13 -0400 Subject: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM In-Reply-To: <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de>,<09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A696@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> > There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which > should have been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN Nominating > Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by GAC > or the US. > The intrusions of the EU and US have absolutely nothing to do with perceived conflicts of interest, CW. As the person largely responsible for giving us the abomination known as the GAC, it should be obvious by now that that model is broken, badly, and that governments do not and cannot function as peers in a multistakeholder environment. It is the height of hypocrisy for you to be invoking "bottom up process" when literally all the actions of the GAC have circumvented, reversed, delayed, stopped or obstructed what little bottom up consensus ICANN manages to develop. And GAC does this not for any public interest concern, but a) at the behest of large corporate trademark interests, and b) to allow governments grab resources for themselves, e.g. geographic names, fake ccTLDs like .eu, etc.) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Fri Sep 23 17:18:51 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:18:51 -0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net>, <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E7CF7BB.4010606@cafonso.ca> Sez who?? --c.a. On 09/23/2011 05:42 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > This is false. > >> Clinton Admin days) that "the USG never intended for >> ICANN/IANA to float free". > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Fri Sep 23 22:04:34 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:34:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] Definition EC In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C55D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E762233.9020601@itforchange.net> <60809A11-1920-477D-A675-03E862C17114@lacnic.net> <5H9HTucvM5dOFAMs@internetpolicyagency.com> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410669F@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C55D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E7D3AB2.8040609@itforchange.net> Wolfgang, On Thursday 22 September 2011 06:21 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > In an acedemic meeting in Summer 2007 a group of experts tried to define EC. Based on the two paras. from the Tunis agenda we deinfed it as "enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration (EC3) among governmental and non-governmental stakeholders". Generally I agree with Carlos's characterisation of this definition as academic and making no reference to real life problems and their real life governance solutions. Really, what exactly does this translate into how we go ahead in a currently politically hot global situation vis a vis global IG? One needs to hear that. But still giving an academic response to the EC3 definition below. Enhanced cooperation as the mechanism for developing the needed global Internet related public policies (that is the definition of enhanced cooperation) is centrally and foremost a political issue, not a technical one. You definition of it as 'enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration (EC3) ' reduces it to a technical phenomenon. And there are tomes of academic stuff on how the political and the 'merely technical' are different. 'The political' represents community or society's collective decisions in pursuance of, and also shaping, the social contract that underpins it. Just coordination and collaboration can meet the needs of a status-quoist 'management' of a social system, but not the deeper issues of the 'social contract' - which implicates rights, and yes, redistribution and welfare etc..... Lets try to give a political response to a political issue. My problem with most North based IG academia that I come across in IG spaces is such technicalisation and depoliticisation of 'governance', which of course itself is a political act. It backs the status quo of the current unjust distribution of power, seeking to keep governance only to issues of management level adjustments. Wolfgang, there is currently talk in India to fix the poverty line at the earning of around 60-65 US cents a day. I think with that poverty line around 50 percent of Indians will be below poverty line. World Bank says "80% of India's population lives on less than $2 a day". The emerging architecture of the Internet which will to a good extent determine/ influence the emerging social social architecture has deep implications for these people. Can you tell me what actual governance mechanisms are proposed that we have a more just and equal society, and dont have to face these dreary figures in, say, 20 years. Or are these matters outside IG realm? Please dont tell me that all actors are trying to solve the same problems and have the same good intentions. If they had, we wont be here, and you know it. > This does not exclude special intergovernmental (legally binding or non-binding) arrangements as long as they are embedded into a multistekholder framework, I suggested that the developing country proposal of an EC mechanism (with its own multistakeholder platform as well) in 'complementary' relationship with the IGF seems to seek exactly what you say above. What are you views on that. These are real alternatives towards enhanced cooperation (there could be other, better ones) and we need to able to comment on them and take up the necessary action. Esoteric EC3 like models serve little purpose in this regard, while, as suggested above, this particular model fails, even on an academic political analysis. parminder > do not exclude others, understand themselves as part of a network (in their specific roles) and do not put thesmelves on the top of a hierarchy. > > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Fra: governance at lists.cpsr.org på vegne af Miguel Alcaine > Sendt: on 21-09-2011 20:14 > Til: Lee W McKnight > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry > Emne: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > > Dear colleagues: > > My intention was not to take a side in the discussion, rather to present facts. It seems I failed. > > I was also an advocate of EC in its very dark beginning. > > Nevertheless, Governments negotiating EC in WSIS left out all other actors on purpose in that paragraph. > > Today, I do believe all other actors than Governments should make themselves heard and claim their space in building the EC process and the complementarity space or relationship between IGF and EC. > > Best, > > Miguel > > Disclaimer > My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > > > Sorry Miguel, > > Not to belabor point, but - Parminder is right. > > Frankly, the fumbling of the opportunity around whether to put EC more clearly in the IGF mandate has not been IGC's finest hour. > > OK, many governments, from North and South, back then were insisting EC was only for them. > > But yes many around IGC were basically, siding with them. > > Some of us, who if we bothered we can probably count on at most 2 hands, were actively warning folks that this was a strategic mistake, not just for IGC, and IGF, but really for the whole Internet community and all stakeholders, not to recognize the opportunity to use IGF as place for - dialogue on Enhanced Cooperation. (Milton I definitely will count, and not with...that finger ; ) > > Now that the consequences of that mistake are not to some folks liking - well too bad, democratically elected governments representing about 1.5 billion (or is it 1.6?) people have spoken up and will talk to GA and not IGC first. > > So now IGC, and IGF, can choose to play catch up in Kenya, and try to get with the real EC program, which of course, must involve more than just governments - as we IGCers should have always wished, right? > > Meaning the logic that claimed IGF could not be - part - of the EC dialogue never made sense, as of course we can pull up another paragraph from WSIS that offers an alternate interpretation of what governments 'in their respective roles' should be contributing, along with others, let's be honest. > > Now, complaining after the fact that governments of North or South aren't bowing to us on this, when we - blew it, big time, back then - well what do we expect? The world to wait for us to realize the net's not going away, and it kind of matters, in very major way, to the billions in the south who didn;t have seats at eg the IETF table when - technical - decisions were being made way back when? > > Lee > > (Speaking in my own capacity ie not for Milton or IGP; but maybe for my dual national Brazilian-US wife and kids : ) > > > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Miguel Alcaine [miguel.alcaine at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:11 PM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry > Subject: Re: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal > > > Dear colleagues, > > I want to clarify that the reports on Enhanced Cooperation (2009 and 2010) were produced by DESA and not by the CSTD. They are different structures of the UN, but their work goes mainly or completely to ECOSOC respectively. > > I recall the time when EC was said not to be appropriate to be discussed in IGF and I also remember a more recent time when some people said there is nothing else to do as EC is already happening. To be fair, the time when it was not appropriate to discuss EC in the IGF, the EC process was not lauched yet. > > I agree that some EC might have already happening. > > I would like to make a distinction between EC and EC in the context of the WSIS outcomes. If one read the famous paragraphs on EC, it is found that EC in the Tunis Agenda refers only to Governments. > > While I would had liked to have EC spelled to all actors in the WSIS outcome documents; it is not. From here, it is natural that Governments backing the idea of EC look for governmental paths, even knowing that any of you can show me other relevant paragraphs that talk about multi-stakeholderism in the IG chapter. > > Nevertheless, It is up to all people involved to clarify and increase the scope of EC and its construction to cover all actors. > > > The possible link and complementarity between EC and IGF was recognized by the GA resolution last year (65/141. Information and communications technologies for development): > > > 16. Further recognizes that the Internet governance-related outcomes of the > World Summit on the Information Society, namely the process towards enhanced > cooperation and the convening of the Internet Governance Forum, are to be pursued > by the Secretary-General through two distinct processes, and recognizes that the two > processes may be complementary; > > > But it needs to be developed. It is a black box or an empty box that needs to be filled. It is an opportunity that people may take advantage either to define that complementarity or relationship or to declare by "not doing" that they are not related and possibly giving credibility to the idea that there is no need to do anything else regarding EC. > > Best, > > Miguel > > Disclaimer > My ideas are those of my own and does not represent any position of my employer or any other institution. > > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roland Perry> wrote: > The UN (CSTD's) 2009 report on Enhanced CoOperation is here: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92_en.pdf > > Including contributions from some invited respondents. > > There's also this room document from 2010, which has an updated set of responses from all ten: > > http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/e2009d92crp1_en.pdf > > This should be essential reading for anyone interested in Enhanced CoOperation. > -- > Roland Perry > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat Sep 24 02:01:39 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:01:39 +0800 Subject: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF Message-ID: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> Just before I leave for my flight, here is a reminder of the four IGC-sponsored events at this year's IGF: Internet Governance Caucus general meeting - Monday, 26 September, 6:30pm Mapping Internet Governance - Wednesday, 28 September, 9:00am Reflection on the Indian Proposal Towards an IGF 2.0 - Thursday, 29 September, 9:00am A Possible Framework for Global Net Neutrality - Thursday, 29 September, 4:30pm If you will be in Nairobi and don't have other commitments at the same time, it would be great if you could attend at least these. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sat Sep 24 03:36:31 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:36:31 +0100 Subject: [governance] What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> References: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> Message-ID: In message <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538 at digsys.bg>, at 22:22:55 on Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Daniel Kalchev writes >Mechanisms equivalent or alternative to DNS, providing the same >functionality to the upper level protocols have existed for many, >many years. Similar mechanisms have existed long before the current popularity of the Internet. I remember that I was subscriber 100060,425 (later it became 100060.425 at Compuserve.com, but originally my ID was issued before Compuserve's email system had a gateway to the Internet). Subsequently they introduced a private DNS so that I could identify myself as roland_perry at compuserve.com >One value DNS has is the chain of trust, that is formed from the >root to the system administrator that decides and implements the >last label. Other than that value, DNS names are just mnemonic >labels. Anyone who believes they are anything more (including, >that one can regulate mnemonic labels) deserves what they get. There was a certain amount of regulation of Compuserve mnemonic labels, including a "first come first served" model. But such regulation exists in other spheres with mnemonic labels. Here in England companies are registered by the Government, and company numbers (such as 01230269) are required to appear on correspondence. There's a government "DNS" for this, which reveals that company 01230269 also has the name Compuserve Ltd, which is easier to remember. There is much (generally successful) regulation about the names you can call your company, including, for example, measures to avoid collisions and not including the word "Bank" unless you are suitably registered with a separate banking regulator. (cf a similar issue in Sweden regarding .se domain names). -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sat Sep 24 03:42:27 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 08:42:27 +0100 Subject: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: In message , at 14:16:30 on Thu, 22 Sep 2011, McTim writes >What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >allowed? I don't think ICANN regulates ISOC, or vice versa. Surely the issue here is moving from poacher to gamekeeper (or vice versa) rather than staying a gamekeeper but for a different estate. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 03:57:07 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:57:07 +0300 Subject: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Roland Perry < roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote: > In message <**CACAaNxgPti935uMNmHrQU0hRjLX9c**cA5+STE=-njshKULqHooA at mail.* > *gmail.com >, at 14:16:30 on Thu, 22 Sep > 2011, McTim writes > > What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >> policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >> allowed? >> > > I don't think ICANN regulates ISOC, or vice versa. I didn't mean to imply they did. > Surely the issue here is moving from poacher to gamekeeper (or vice versa) > rather than staying a gamekeeper but for a different estate. > Both should be allowed (poachers often make the best gamekeepers, and I don't see any rationale for limiting the movement from one estate to another. it's when moving from gamekeeper to poacher that folk seem to object. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nb at bollow.ch Sat Sep 24 04:07:07 2011 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:07:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Advertising the "Mapping Internet Governance" workshop Message-ID: <20110924080708.256E215C0F6@quill.bollow.ch> Given the size and complexity of the IGF programme, it appears important to use also other channels to publicize our workshops. Unless IGF participants are informed about what we're trying to achieve, they won't come, even if they'd be interested if they knew! For the "Mapping Internet Governance" workshop, we have a bit of advertising text online at http://idgovmap.org/Workshop_Nairobi_2011 (also reproduced below) so that it can be easily twittered, liked on Facebook, etc. Please help to spread the word. Thanks, Norbert At Nairobi IGF: "Mapping Internet Governace" workshop Internet Governance is primarily about solving real-life problems. There is one need that you have in common with all other stakeholders, regardless of what internet-related challenges they want to contribute to solving: In order to develop an effective strategy for your efforts, you need a lot of information about the various issues that are related to your particular points of concern, and about the complex landscape of Internet Governace institutions and fora. The "Mapping Internet Governace" workshop at the IGF in Nairobi (Wednesday September 28, 09.00-10.30 East African Time, Conference Room 4, remote participation is available with Ginger Paque as Remote Moderator) will explore the needs for a "Map" containing such information and what is desired regarding the structure and content of such a Map, from various perspectives. The panelists are: Andrea Glorioso: Coordinator of the Internet Governance team at the European Commission - Directorate-General Information Society and Media [EU] Thomas Lowenhaupt: Founder & Chair, Connecting.nyc Inc. [USA] Jeremy Malcolm: Consumers International, Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Sheba Mohammid: ICT Policy Specialist in Trinidad and Tobago, focusing on Digital Inclusion in Small Island Developing States. Bitange Ndemo: Permanent Secretary in The Ministry for Information And Communications, Republic of Kenya Douglas Onyango: CTO, Lake Victoria IT & Bio-tech Park (LAVIT), Kampala (Uganda); AfriNIC, IANA, EA-IGF, ISOC David Souter: Managing Director, ict Development Associates; author of http://www.apc.org/en/pubs/books/mapping-internet-public-policy ; Visiting Professor in Communications Management, Business School, University of Strathclyde; Visiting Senior Fellow, Department of Media and Communications, London School of Economics; Associate of the International Institute for Sustainable Development Significant parts of the workshop time have been set aside to give room for interventions from the floor and from remote participants, so please contribute by sharing your perspective! For further information, including a very rough and very incomplete "draft map" that can serve as a starting point for discussions at the IGF workshop, please refer to http://idgovmap.org/ Hoping to meet you there, either in person or via remote participation Norbert Bollow (organizer of the workshop on behalf of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus and Consumers International) ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nashton at consensus.pro Sat Sep 24 04:19:47 2011 From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:19:47 +0200 Subject: [governance] Internet restrictions present,new trade barrier: WTO session In-Reply-To: <4E7C597C.90309@gmail.com> References: <4E7C597C.90309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1316852387.1075.140258147186461@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thanks, Riaz, for posting this. My colleague Matthias Langenegger (who many of you will also remember from At-Large) and I were the on-the-ground organisers of this session and we got a good reception from delegations. Given that the US and EU are obviously committed to discussing how to ensure an open internet in the WTO, I hope that many NGOs concerned with this will help to ensure that any debate does actually help to ensure the Internet stays open, instead of being hijacked by governments who have rather different ideas. ----- Original message ----- From: "Riaz K Tayob" To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:03:40 +0200 Subject: [governance] Internet restrictions present,new trade barrier: WTO session Internet restrictions present new trade barrier: WTO session Provided by iPolitics Staff Posted on Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 3:55 pm by BJ Siekierski GENEVA – It’s connected every corner of the world and transformed the way business is done, but individual countries’ restrictions on the Internet have become the biggest new trade barrier, a WTO Public Forum Session argued on Wednesday. “If you look at the tariff protectionism in the world, if you look at the big trading partners… all of them have a weighted average of around less than five per cent — even the ones who usually get labeled as protectionists,” said Hosuk Lee-Makiyama, director of the European Centre for International Political Economy. Non-tariff trade barriers are hard to compare, said Lee-Makiyama, but if there was a tariff equivalents, many say it would be several hundred per cent. William Echikson, the head of free expression at Google had a long list of trade barriers. “Things like installing surveillance tools onto the Internet infrastructure, blocking online services outright — or regularly disrupting them,” Echikson said. He said that imposing requirements on the online service providers without making these requirements public and issuing orders to online service providers without any legal process are also considered trade barriers. Local data storage requirements are another aspect that Echikson said is particularly problematic. Generally speaking, he said, any Internet regulation that favors local companies should be rooted out. “A local presence requirement, that’s also a very important thing, because with Google we can serve local countries around the world without actually physically being there,” he said. Moderator Edward Black, president and CEO of the Computer and Communications Industry Association, encouraged the World Trade Organization to address some of these issues. “Clearly, I think we think the WTO needs to step forward and address Internet-centric issues in order to stay relevant,” Black said. Black acknowledged there is an agreement (GATS) in place at the WTO to defend against these types of actions, but it remains to be seen how it will be enforced. “Although the WTO dispute settlement appellate body rulings made clear that GATS does extend to services provided online, it’s unclear how far the GATS article 14 on public morals and security exemptions will extend this space,” Black said. “We need to test those limits and find out what they are.” For Lee-Makiyama, who said 50 per cent of all cross-border trade would disappear if the Internet ceased to exist, it might be time to go a bit further than that. “I think there is a serious case for a separate sector agreement,” he said. © 2011 iPolitics Inc. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Consensus Optimus Tel: +41 (22) 362 02 38 Fax: +41 (22) 594 8544 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 5468 Jabber/GTalk: nashtonhart at mac.com Windows IM: nashtonhart at hotmail.com Skype: nashtonhart ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sat Sep 24 05:31:49 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:31:49 +0100 Subject: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: In message , at 10:57:07 on Sat, 24 Sep 2011, McTim writes >> What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >>> policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >>> allowed? >> >> I don't think ICANN regulates ISOC, or vice versa. > >I didn't mean to imply they did. And I didn't suggest you did - the "A regulates B" criterion is one I'm suggesting is important when discussing 'revolving doors'. >> Surely the issue here is moving from poacher to gamekeeper (or vice versa) >> rather than staying a gamekeeper but for a different estate. > >Both should be allowed (poachers often make the best gamekeepers, and I >don't see any rationale for limiting the movement from one estate to >another. Indeed, I was suggesting it *should* be allowed - ie no problem someone moving between ICANN & ISOC. (In both cases their secretariat or board, of course; I don't think either of us are talking about restrictions on the wider membership). > it's when moving from gamekeeper to poacher that folk seem to >object. There's quite a demand for this (I've lost count of the number of adverts for regulatory positions in private industry where a previous spell in a relevant government department or regulator's office is listed). -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Sat Sep 24 05:38:56 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:08:56 +0530 Subject: SV: [governance] regulating global digital monopolies In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C572@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4E7C2C3F.7070605@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C572@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E7DA530.7090205@itforchange.net> On Friday 23 September 2011 02:16 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Parminder: > Can a small country in Africa or Asia do such an inquiry against google today? > > Wolfgang: > Germany is certainly not a "small country" You are right. :). It is not at all a small country. It is the biggest economy in the EU, and EU is a big player. > but a good example how "global" and "local" works together. When the Germans protested against Google Street View in 2010, Google changed its policies according to the German wishes and made clear that it respects national law. I can not see that Google will ignore a law in Kenya or Botswana just to squeeze our more business from those countries. Not so, except in crisis level cases implicating security, or assertion of political/ cultural control by a government, which too will depend on the assessment of the strength of the government, and in nay case is largely on an ad hoc basis. In case of most social, economic, cultural norms and laws, these mega digital businesses generally play in a lawless field, in fact through their dominance and control of the digital space they are setting the norms, and as Lessig would say, also policy and law. You read the long discussion a few weeks back on this list on how when asked to implement a consumer law by Taipei government, Google instead chose to withdraw the availability of Android market. This with the kind of market power (a very inadequate term with regard to the level of power that is involved here) that google has, can in effect be a blackmail. Such is the dependency that has been created on these controls of the global digital space. In face of these clear manifest trends, how can you assert that national and local jurisdictional have more or less uniform leverage over global digital businesses? Interesting, Milton had the following to say, about the Taipei- google stand off. (Wonder if plans to go and tell off UN senate committee for being 'parasitical' for inquiring into possible anti-trust violations by google) Below are quotes form Milton's emails during the Taipie-google stand off discussion. I asserted that a government that tries to regulate a virtual business - basically, software downloaded from the internet - with no physical presence in its jurisdiction is being parasitical (Milton). ..... Please tell me how 100,000 different local governments "exercising policy on Google applications" keeps the internet "well." (Milton) No one in their right mind would support the idea that mere publication of an app by an innovator in, say, Mexico City should make that publisher subject to the regulations of a Thai municipality (and 100,000 other jurisdictions) simply because someone in Thailand accessed it over the internet. That is almost a perfect reduction ad absurdum of territorial government. I reiterate my perhaps blunt and deliberatel;y strong but fundamentally accurate charge that anyone who advocates such a thing is anti-internet, anti-growth, anti-economy and/or has no clue regarding the practical consequences of what they are saying. (Milton) > BTW that is one reason why I proposed in the CSTD IGF Improvement Working Group to enhance the IGF, inter alia, towards a "watchdog". If something goes wrong, the IGF can ring the alarm bells and moblize the broader public (including governments) to stop unfair or illegal activities by large corporations or undemocratic governments. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This with the kind of market > power (a very inadequate term with regard to the level of power that is > involved here) that google has, can in effect be a blackmail. > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail By the definition of blackmail, it's the Taiwanese municipal authorities who are guilty of it! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 06:20:24 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:20:24 +0300 Subject: WG: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS TERM In-Reply-To: References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Roland Perry < roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote: > In message mail.gmail.com >, at 10:57:07 on Sat, 24 > Sep 2011, McTim writes > > What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >>> >>>> policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >>>> allowed? >>>> >>> >>> I don't think ICANN regulates ISOC, or vice versa. >>> >> >> I didn't mean to imply they did. >> > > And I didn't suggest you did - the "A regulates B" criterion is one I'm > suggesting is important when discussing 'revolving doors'. correct, that is important. > > > Surely the issue here is moving from poacher to gamekeeper (or vice versa) >>> rather than staying a gamekeeper but for a different estate. >>> >> >> Both should be allowed (poachers often make the best gamekeepers, and I >> don't see any rationale for limiting the movement from one estate to >> another. >> > > Indeed, I was suggesting it *should* be allowed - ie no problem someone > moving between ICANN & ISOC. (In both cases their secretariat or board, of > course; I don't think either of us are talking about restrictions on the > wider membership). We agree, but the folk clamoring for new rules may write them to be overly broad. > > > it's when moving from gamekeeper to poacher that folk seem to >> object. >> > > There's quite a demand for this (I've lost count of the number of adverts > for regulatory positions in private industry where a previous spell in a > relevant government department or regulator's office is listed). Agreed. So if there were to be some new rules about revolving door, they would have to be narrow in scope (not that I think any are actually needed). -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 06:54:11 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:54:11 +0100 Subject: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF In-Reply-To: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> References: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Please Jeremy, can you help to indicate room of each meeting. Baudouin 2011/9/24 Jeremy Malcolm > Just before I leave for my flight, here is a reminder of the four > IGC-sponsored events at this year's IGF: > > - Internet Governance Caucus general meeting - Monday, 26 September, > 6:30pm > - Mapping Internet Governance - Wednesday, 28 September, 9:00am > - Reflection on the Indian Proposal Towards an IGF 2.0 - Thursday, 29 > September, 9:00am > - A Possible Framework for Global Net Neutrality - Thursday, 29 > September, 4:30pm > > If you will be in Nairobi and don't have other commitments at the same > time, it would be great if you could attend at least these. Of course, many > IGC members will be featured in other workshops and main sessions also; > there are too many of them to list individually here. Best wishes to > everyone! > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 07:02:56 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:02:56 +0100 Subject: [governance] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sincere condolences. *Baudouin* 2011/9/23 Deirdre Williams > One aspect of governance is access. > I learned today from Bytesforall of the death of Michael Hart - the Project > Gutenberg man. > Below is the end of the article published by Bytesforall which I think > originated as a Guardian obituary. > > In 1998, Wired magazine named Hart to its "Wired 25," a list of people > around the world who were "actively, even hyperactively, inventing > tomorrow." > > Hart had his critics. He was often disparaged by academics, who complained > of typographical and other errors in Project Gutenberg books. He was not > beloved in the traditional publishing world, which he often attacked for > profiting on the works of long-dead writers. He disapproved of U.S. > copyright laws, which keep popular works out of the public domain for > decades after an author has died. > > Hart dismissed his critics' attacks. > > "I'm not doing this to make the academic community happy," he told the > Chicago Tribune in 1999. He aimed to serve the masses. "I am a > revolutionary > in this neo-industrial revolution. That's why they have trouble with me. > How > can anyone be troubled by free information? " > > *elaine.woo@ latimes.com <%2Aelaine.woo%40latimes.com>* > > Deirdre > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn Sat Sep 24 09:22:36 2011 From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:22:36 +0100 Subject: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <008901cc7abd$06f85f50$14e91df0$@planet.tn> Baudouin is right, especially because those meetings are not on the general IGF schedule. So, if you can give the rooms, it will be really helpful. ------------------------------------------------------------ Tijani BEN JEMAA Vice Président de la CIC Fédération Mondiale des Organisations d’Ingénieurs Téléphone : + 216 70 825 231 Tél Mobile : + 216 98 330 114 Télécopie : + 216 70 825 231 ------------------------------------------------------------ De : governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] De la part de Baudouin SCHOMBE Envoyé : samedi 24 septembre 2011 11:54 À : governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm Objet : Re: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF Please Jeremy, can you help to indicate room of each meeting. Baudouin 2011/9/24 Jeremy Malcolm Just before I leave for my flight, here is a reminder of the four IGC-sponsored events at this year's IGF: * Internet Governance Caucus general meeting - Monday, 26 September, 6:30pm * Mapping Internet Governance - Wednesday, 28 September, 9:00am * Reflection on the Indian Proposal Towards an IGF 2.0 - Thursday, 29 September, 9:00am * A Possible Framework for Global Net Neutrality - Thursday, 29 September, 4:30pm If you will be in Nairobi and don't have other commitments at the same time, it would be great if you could attend at least these. Of course, many IGC members will be featured in other workshops and main sessions also; there are too many of them to list individually here. Best wishes to everyone! -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Sat Sep 24 09:27:20 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:27:20 +0800 Subject: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <9EAE0344-D6AF-4278-B578-7C511DC77711@ciroap.org> On 09/24/2011 06:54 PM, Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote: > > Please Jeremy, can you help to indicate room of each meeting. See below, but I'm not 100% sure whether the venue will have the workshop room numbers which are numbered from 1 to 9, or the conference venue room numbers which are different. In an effort to confuse us, the Secretariat has listed two different sets of room numbers, up until the last couple of revisions of their spreadsheet, where they've only used the conference room numbers. Anyway, I'll list both. > Internet Governance Caucus general meeting - Monday, 26 September, 6:30pm Workshop room 3, conference room 10 > Mapping Internet Governance - Wednesday, 28 September, 9:00am Workshop room 9, conference room 4 > Reflection on the Indian Proposal Towards an IGF 2.0 - Thursday, 29 September, 9:00am Workshop room 2, conference room 9 > A Possible Framework for Global Net Neutrality - Thursday, 29 September, 4:30pm Workshop room 9, conference room 4 -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the airport. Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory information. There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along the sidewalk of the airport. Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. They will explain the safest areas. That's all for now. Best, Marília On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. > > Sala > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > >> Dear IGF goers! >> >> My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are >> already sharing some good amounts of information! >> >> Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON >> is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the >> distances mentioned on the host country website >> < >> http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=30 >> > >> under the Accommodation section. >> >> As I was also taking information about the distances from the website >> and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was >> getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is >> Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. >> >> Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you >> can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel >> even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main >> entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. >> >> My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as >> they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can >> expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending >> on where from). >> >> So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, >> over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis >> from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour >> (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. >> >> Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened >> with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay >> only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told >> you this and you should be fine!!! >> >> If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! >> >> It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what >> they are paying per night!!! >> >> -- >> Regards. >> -------------------------- >> Fouad Bajwa >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Sala > > " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the > airport. > > Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in > Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory > information. > > There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no > useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I > should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official > or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is > misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. > Unless the localhost has arranged a rate, the fare to the city center should be 1200 at a minimum. just before you leave the luggage claim area on the right hand side is the official taxi desk with a rate sheet for all areas. > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Sat Sep 24 12:05:27 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:05:27 +0300 Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A694@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> , <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A694@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: I believe the problem is different and not less significant. The problem was created, when "ICANN" decided on creating the registry-registrar model, where the registrars would be accredited by a third party - ICANN. For most registries, there always existed "registrars", as it is normal in a bigger market to employ the services of many middlemen. That is, create an distribution channel. This is how things work for ccTLD registries. By moving the accreditation from the registry to ICANN, we are now in a situation, where registrars try to dictate registries what their business model should be. The distribution channel is created an controlled by a third party. Each registry is obliged to serve any of the registrars. Even if they happen to be their competitors in the registry business. Is this happening in any other business sector? Daniel On Sep 23, 2011, at 23:38 , Milton L Mueller wrote: > Christopher: > There is nothing of substance in the EU or US challenge to the vertical integration (VI) decision. > As usual, neither the EC nor the US had the presence of mind or seriousness of purpose to participate in the working group that dealt with the VI decision. Their comments are ignorant of what was actually proposed and what transpired in the working group. Indeed, the working group actually proposed to have a market power test that could be referred to national competition authorities. As usual, the GAC came in months afterwards asking ICANN to institute a market power check by national authorities - a completely irrelevant comment by that time. > > I suspect that both the EU and US were lobbied by TM interests and were simply looking for an excuse to delay progress. > > Perhaps you can explain to me how a completely new registry, with ZERO market share, which other registrars may not want to promote without payment or kickbacks, can cause a competition policy problem? How can it have market power? > > If you want to be better informed about this issue, I suggest that you read the archives of the VI WG list, and the reports that were produced by the VI Wg. > > Furthermore, the conflict of interest issue (i.e., Dengate-Thrush's movement to Minds and Machines) actually could have occured with or without the VI decision, and thus your argument is irrelevant. > > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of CW Mail [mail at christopherwilkinson.eu] > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:54 AM > To: McTim; Discussion for At-Large Europe > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest > > Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. > > In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly > decided that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. > So now we have - as I foresaw last month - both the EU and the US (a) > pointing up the conflict of interest and (b) questioning the > competition policy aspects of the vertical integration decision. > > For a bottom-up, consensus driven process in which the At Large are > representing the public interest, that is quite an achievement. > > Regards to you all, > > CW > > > On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:16, McTim wrote: > >> I'm not so sure about a cooling off period and 2 years is a long time. >> >> What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >> policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >> allowed? >> >> The devil would be in the details, certainly! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail >> wrote: >>> http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 >>> >>> Ah, Indeed. >>> >>> CW >>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Im >>>> Auftrag >>>> von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu >>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 >>>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org >>>> Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF >>>> HIS TERM >>>> >>>> There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which >>>> should have >>>> been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN >>>> Nominating >>>> Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by >>>> GAC or >>>> the >>>> US. >>>> >>>> Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators >>>> should be >>>> subject to a 24 month cooling off period. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> CW >>>> >>>> >>>> Original Message: >>>> ----------------- >>>> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang >>>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 >>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS >>>> TERM >>>> >>>> >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ >>>> 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html >>>> >>>> wolfgang >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>>> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Sat Sep 24 12:38:19 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:38:19 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <20110923173339.GB14604@sources.org> References: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> <20110923173339.GB14604@sources.org> Message-ID: <6BA5804E-1D76-4236-AFE4-3BEBBF6DF6AB@digsys.bg> On Sep 23, 2011, at 20:33 , Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:22:55PM +0300, > Daniel Kalchev wrote > a message of 41 lines which said: > >> Mechanisms equivalent or alternative to DNS, providing the same >> functionality to the upper level protocols have existed for many, >> many years. > > I note you do not mention even *one* of these wonderful mechanisms. It > tells us a lot about their value. Right. These just lack the chain of trust, required for such large scale deployment. Roland: in Bulgaria, we had since many years ago a rather "restrictive" DNS registration procedure. We have made two significant points: 1) we consider any label applied for, an "name" and 2) the registry is not in the business to decide who gets what name -- we leave this to the "outside" world, therefore permitting any form of name to become "Internet name" --- company name, personal names, city name, shop name, ship name etc. This policy has been criticized many, many times, but my prediction has always been that other registries will move our way , at some point in time. It is interesting to note, that even after we liberalized the registration rules years ago, applicants continue to insist that they have some connection to the name and this be documented, although this is not strict requirement anymore. This however does not change the fact, that DNS names are just mnemonic labels. We, the society have chosen to attach additional meaning to that labels. Daniel____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 18:49:46 2011 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:49:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1. No visa required for several Commonwealth citizens. Check http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=72 to see which nations qualify. If you are a Commonwealth nation, don't just line up for the visa and pay blindly like I saw many people doing this evening. When you reach to the Immigration Officer, he/she has a list of countries which qualify and will confirm whether you need the visa or not. Be informed. 2. Get local currency. Barclays ATM just before exiting accepts all Maestro, Cirrus, Plus, Electron Debit Cards as well as Visa and Mastercard. 3. Cheap and tasty food (under 5000) open late in town by a strip which has Chicken Inn, Pizza Inn and Galito's. 4. If you still have can, call or email your Hotel to arrange car pickup for you ... less hassle for about the same price and safe. These private drivers are tourist-friendly give you a comfortable ride also advise you what to do and not to do. 5. Register your arrival at the IGF desk just after Baggage Claim. This will assist with shuttle service planning for those who are staying in the city centre. Best wishes, Tracy On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, McTim wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Just arrived as well. >> There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to >> do it. >> Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay >> for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the >> airport. >> >> Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight >> in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory >> information. >> >> There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no >> useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I >> should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official >> or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is >> misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. >> > > > Unless the localhost has arranged a rate, the fare to the city center > should be 1200 at a minimum. just before you leave the luggage claim area > on the right hand side is the official taxi desk with a rate sheet for all > areas. > > >> -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." 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Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > 1. No visa required for several Commonwealth citizens. Check > http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=72 to > see which nations qualify. If you are a Commonwealth nation, don't just line > up for the visa and pay blindly like I saw many people doing this evening. > When you reach to the Immigration Officer, he/she has a list of countries > which qualify and will confirm whether you need the visa or not. Be > informed. > > 2. Get local currency. Barclays ATM just before exiting accepts all > Maestro, Cirrus, Plus, Electron Debit Cards as well as Visa and Mastercard. > > 3. Cheap and tasty food (under 5000) open late in town by a strip which has > Chicken Inn, Pizza Inn and Galito's. > > 4. If you still have can, call or email your Hotel to arrange car pickup > for you ... less hassle for about the same price and safe. These private > drivers are tourist-friendly give you a comfortable ride also advise you > what to do and not to do. > > 5. Register your arrival at the IGF desk just after Baggage Claim. This > will assist with shuttle service planning for those who are staying in the > city centre. > > Best wishes, > > Tracy > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, McTim wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Just arrived as well. >>> There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to >>> do it. >>> Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to >>> pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the >>> airport. >>> >>> Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight >>> in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory >>> information. >>> >>> There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no >>> useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I >>> should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official >>> or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is >>> misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. >>> >> >> >> Unless the localhost has arranged a rate, the fare to the city center >> should be 1200 at a minimum. just before you leave the luggage claim area >> on the right hand side is the official taxi desk with a rate sheet for all >> areas. >> >> >>> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Sat Sep 24 19:44:17 2011 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:44:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just realized I said that cheap was = 5000 Kenyan Shillings. I meant 500 Shillings. Sorry about that. The Galito's stuff is really good, BTW. :) On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > 1. No visa required for several Commonwealth citizens. Check > http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=72 to > see which nations qualify. If you are a Commonwealth nation, don't just line > up for the visa and pay blindly like I saw many people doing this evening. > When you reach to the Immigration Officer, he/she has a list of countries > which qualify and will confirm whether you need the visa or not. Be > informed. > > 2. Get local currency. Barclays ATM just before exiting accepts all > Maestro, Cirrus, Plus, Electron Debit Cards as well as Visa and Mastercard. > > 3. Cheap and tasty food (under 5000) open late in town by a strip which has > Chicken Inn, Pizza Inn and Galito's. > > 4. If you still have can, call or email your Hotel to arrange car pickup > for you ... less hassle for about the same price and safe. These private > drivers are tourist-friendly give you a comfortable ride also advise you > what to do and not to do. > > 5. Register your arrival at the IGF desk just after Baggage Claim. This > will assist with shuttle service planning for those who are staying in the > city centre. > > Best wishes, > > Tracy > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:37 AM, McTim wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Just arrived as well. >>> There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to >>> do it. >>> Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to >>> pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the >>> airport. >>> >>> Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight >>> in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory >>> information. >>> >>> There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no >>> useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I >>> should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official >>> or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is >>> misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. >>> >> >> >> Unless the localhost has arranged a rate, the fare to the city center >> should be 1200 at a minimum. just before you leave the luggage claim area >> on the right hand side is the official taxi desk with a rate sheet for all >> areas. >> >> >>> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route >> indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 03:33:28 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:33:28 +0000 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: ,, Message-ID: The miniimum charge for taxis from airport to the city center is ksh. 1200 to 1500 depending on where in town. If it is in Westlands or on Thika Road, you will have to pay more. Kes 300 is what you pay to move in the city center only. So yes the lady must have been misinformed. It is not an issue of agreeing prices among them. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:03:18 -0300 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com CC: fouadbajwa at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers Hello, Just arrived as well. There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to do it. Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the airport. Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory information. There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along the sidewalk of the airport. Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. They will explain the safest areas. That's all for now. Best, Marília On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. Sala On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: Dear IGF goers! My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are already sharing some good amounts of information! Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the distances mentioned on the host country website under the Accommodation section. As I was also taking information about the distances from the website and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending on where from). So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told you this and you should be fine!!! If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what they are paying per night!!! -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sun Sep 25 05:40:34 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:40:34 +0100 Subject: [governance] Re: What comes after DNS and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <6BA5804E-1D76-4236-AFE4-3BEBBF6DF6AB@digsys.bg> References: <906C222A-C391-41CD-AFE5-CDFCF7609538@digsys.bg> <20110923173339.GB14604@sources.org> <6BA5804E-1D76-4236-AFE4-3BEBBF6DF6AB@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <8NgmB5tScvfOFA8C@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <6BA5804E-1D76-4236-AFE4-3BEBBF6DF6AB at digsys.bg>, at 19:38:19 on Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Daniel Kalchev writes >Roland: in Bulgaria, we had since many years ago a rather "restrictive" >DNS registration procedure. We have made two significant points: 1) we >consider any label applied for, an "name" and 2) the registry is not in >the business to decide who gets what name -- we leave this to the >"outside" world, therefore permitting any form of name to become >"Internet name" --- company name, personal names, city name, shop name, >ship name etc. But Bulgaria has a list of "reserved" and "inappropriate" labels. eg: "REGISTRANTS shall not choose LABELS formed of obscene and/or abusive words or combinations of words, as well as any LABEL contrary to public interest and the good manners." >This policy has been criticized many, many times, but my prediction has >always been that other registries will move our way , at some point in >time. It has always been said that the UK has a purely "first come first served" model, but there's still a history of successful complaints about (mainly) trademark issues. See for example the case of myspace.co.uk which was registered years before the social network of that name was conceived, but still lost a dispute. (I'm not commenting on the merits of the decision, but simply noting that it took place). My observation of the worldwide phenomenon is that while rules for second level domains (eg who can register under .net or .pro) tend to relax with time, the rules about what "Labels" you can choose tend to become more restrictive as various rightsholders and others place additional reservations on what is allowable. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 07:20:36 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 06:50:36 -0430 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had the same experience as Marilia, (cannot exchange my dollars)... I would just add: Orange sim cards are available and reasonable, I suggest you keep an eye out and consider picking one up. Apparently there will be a booth in the UN lobby starting tomorrow. Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 24 September 2011 10:33, Marilia Maciel wrote: > Hello, > > Just arrived as well. > There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to do > it. > Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay > for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the > airport. > > Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in > Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory > information. > > There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no > useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I > should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official > or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is > misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. > > Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along > the sidewalk of the airport. > > Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. > They will explain the safest areas. > > That's all for now. > > Best, > Marília > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. >> >> Sala >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >> >>> Dear IGF goers! >>> >>> My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are >>> already sharing some good amounts of information! >>> >>> Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON >>> is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the >>> distances mentioned on the host country website >>> < >>> http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=30 >>> > >>> under the Accommodation section. >>> >>> As I was also taking information about the distances from the website >>> and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was >>> getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is >>> Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. >>> >>> Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you >>> can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel >>> even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main >>> entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. >>> >>> My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as >>> they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can >>> expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending >>> on where from). >>> >>> So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, >>> over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis >>> from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour >>> (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. >>> >>> Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened >>> with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay >>> only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told >>> you this and you should be fine!!! >>> >>> If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! >>> >>> It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what >>> they are paying per night!!! >>> >>> -- >>> Regards. >>> -------------------------- >>> Fouad Bajwa >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sala >> >> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 08:05:31 2011 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:35:31 -0430 Subject: [governance] Registering for Remote and e-participation: we must make it happen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: McTim said: FYI, many of the technical communities meetings have had RP of various sorts since before the IGF was born. Yes, there are many important best practices we need to hear about. Please post here, or better yet, join us at Workshop 67 on e-participation to tell everyone about them. We need to learn from you! 9 a.m. Nairobi time Sept. 29th. http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=67 Thanks Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* On 23 September 2011 09:18, McTim wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Deirdre Williams < > williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I spent this week at the second meeting of the Caribbean Network >> Operators' Group - CARIBnog - and was really happy to find that they were >> facilitating remote participation for that meeting too. > > > > FYI, many of the technical communities meetings have had RP of various > sorts since before the IGF was born. > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Sun Sep 25 11:45:32 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:45:32 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <4E7CF7BB.4010606@cafonso.ca> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net>, <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7CF7BB.4010606@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937362@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Ira Magaziner. The White Paper. Maybe no absolutely conclusive, but better than mentioning a hallway conversation with an undisclosed source. > -----Original Message----- > > Sez who?? > > --c.a. > > On 09/23/2011 05:42 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > This is false. > > > >> Clinton Admin days) that "the USG never intended for > >> ICANN/IANA to float free". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 12:19:09 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:19:09 -0700 Subject: [governance] FW: [liberationtech] New report: The Importance of Net Neutrality inthe Developing World Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Jochai Ben-Avie Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:48 AM To: liberationtech at mailman.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] New report: The Importance of Net Neutrality inthe Developing World Ahead of the IGF, and in keeping with this year's theme of ICT as a Catalyst for Change, Access is releasing a new paper entitled "The Importance of Net Neutrality in the Emerging and Developing World" which I thought might be of interest to members of this list. The report finds that reversing net neutrality will hinder the development of poor and emerging countries, increase antitrust practices among technology companies; balloon the cost of online learning; legitimize the concept of filtered and unfiltered content; and limit access to relevant content for the poorest. A summary of the findings are below. The full paper is available at: https://www.accessnow.org/net-neutrality-in-the-developing-world Looking forward to seeing many of you in Nairobi. Cheers, Jochai Jochai Ben-Avie Access | Policy Director https://www.AccessNow.org jochai at accessnow.org +1-888-414-0100 x704 (tel) JochaiBen-Avie (skype) New report finds an end to net neutrality will lead to increased global poverty As countries continue to debate whether to enshrine into law or revoke the principles of net neutrality - which is the idea that all web traffic should be treated equally by service providers, regardless of where it originated or what type of data it is - a new report released by digital rights group Access (www.AccessNow.org) entitled The Importance of Net Neutrality in the Emerging and Developing World, argues that revoking the principles of net neutrality will have a negative economic impact on developing economies. Key Findings: The future is (indeed) wireless Developments in new technologies and business models are enabling networks to reach more people at lower costs. As 3G mobile is increasingly rolled out in developing countries, wireless access via mobile phones will be crucial for the many people in these countries without computers and/or fixed broadband. Increasingly, mobile phones are being used in creative ways to increase productivity in fields such as agriculture, banking, and health. As wireless access is drastically more prevalent than landline connections, it is key that these networks remain neutral. Tiered payment would put these countries at a severe disadvantage as access becomes increasingly essential for carrying out important day to day activities which are critical in the digital age for development to take place, and to date, have played a significant role in reducing poverty and promoting economic prosperity. Reversing net neutrality will hinder the development of impoverished countries Revoking the principles of net neutrality will hurt the economic development of impoverished countries by increasing antitrust practices among technology companies, a trend which will be exacerbated in developing countries where regulation is already not adequate or enforced. These ISPs already frequently prevent users from using newer and more cost effective technologies in order to protect their traditional telecommunications businesses, such as VOIP services like Skype. Such monopolies would increase the power of the few ISPs operating in developing countries. It will also hurt small and micro business owners, who won't be able to pay for the same top-tier internet access which their already richer competitors in the developed world will be able to afford, and thus will be at a disadvantage in the global internet market. Net neutrality is key to enabling greater access to health, education, and social programs in developing countries Without Net neutrality, the cost of online learning would rise, effectively marginalising access to online educational services. Increasingly, developing countries that face shortages of healthcare workers are utilizing mobile technology to promote quality health care. However, health, education, and social programs, will be made more costly and less effective by the loss of Net Neutrality. Programs -which for example increase the number of people getting counseled and tested for HIV/AIDs by 40% - and related types of community services are likely to be de-prioritised, making access more costly and thus out of reach for a vast majority of the population. Authoritarian regimes are increasingly using filtering models pioneered by the West Worryingly, the report found that revoking net neutrality in developed countries has negative effects in the developing world, as technologies and legislation developed in the West migrate to undemocratic and unstable countries. For example, Western filtering tools and services, ostensibly developed to block child-pornography and other undesirable or illegal online content, are popular among authoritarian regimes. With a recent report indicating that nine countries in the Middle East and North Africa are currently using filtering software - blocking over 20 million Internet users from accessing politically blacklisted websites - the tools that Western countries use to create a tiered internet are available as well.[1] Additionally, a reversal of Net Neutrality principles in the West can be used to legitimize censorship by autocratic regimes, which will hurt government transparency and the advancement of human rights. The spawning of copycat legislation makes it increasingly easier for oppressive governments to manipulate content and control the internet. ICT for D (that is, Development) Broadening internet access in developing countries stimulates employment and increases economic growth. Cities with quality, unfettered Internet access can potentially attract more investment, and communities can thrive if they can communicate with people within and outside their communities about common interests. The role of e-commerce is steadily rising in developed and non-developed countries - a recent study found that the growth of Hong Kong's Internet economy is 7% annually, outpacing the city's GDP growth rate of 4%.[2] Greater access to government services online also fosters civic empowerment, contributing to the creation and strengthening of robust democracies. Ultimately, findings in the report reveal that net neutrality is key to unlocking the dynamic potential of ICT in the developing world. Policies and regulation that reject net neutrality will stunt economic growth and innovation as well as restrict access to social, health, educational and human rights services, which are increasingly dependent upon reliable, unfettered wireless connections. For more information, please visit www.accessnow.org or email: info at accessnow.org [1] Noman H and York C. J (2010/2011), West Censoring East The Use of Western Technologies by Middle East Censors 2010-2011, Open Net Initiative Bulletin http://opennet.net/sites/opennet.net/files/ONI_WestCensoringEast.pdf p. 1 & 3; Last accessed 10 August 2011. [2] http://blogs.wsj.com/hong-kong/2011/05/05/hong-kong-internet-economy-lags-be hind-south-korea-japan/. 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Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 12:44:41 2011 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:44:41 +0300 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937362@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7CF7BB.4010606@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937362@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Ira Magaziner. The White Paper. Maybe no absolutely conclusive, but better > than mentioning a hallway conversation with an undisclosed source. > Whether it was the intent or not, do you agree that politically it is highly unlikely that the USG is going to let go? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Sun Sep 25 14:23:21 2011 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:23:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts of interest In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A694@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <00c901cc608f$cff520c0$6fdf6240$@dotberlin.de> <09431491-1F38-434B-915A-32ECF7E2ED71@christopherwilkinson.eu> , <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A694@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <546B70BB-EB91-4D44-86CC-C6E4F3FE3F25@christopherwilkinson.eu> Dear Milton: Thankyou. I have read your comments with interest. 1. Regarding conflicts of interest, I am not alone in expressing concerns. Those in positions of responsibility may develop appropriate solutions. 2. Regarding Vertical Integration, my point of view has been set out in some detail; I have little to add. http://forum.icann.org/lists/vi-pdp-initial-report/pdfe3itOHmj9w.pdf I recommend that start-up Registries should be able to register names directly subject to certain thresholds. However, your comments suggest that there may be a misconception: this is not about the conditions of competition between Registries. It is about the conditions of competition betweeen Registrars. Regards, Chrisotpher PS: BTW, it is nearly six years since I had any röle in the GAC. So, please . . . On 23 Sep 2011, at 22:38, Milton L Mueller wrote: > Christopher: > There is nothing of substance in the EU or US challenge to the > vertical integration (VI) decision. > As usual, neither the EC nor the US had the presence of mind or > seriousness of purpose to participate in the working group that > dealt with the VI decision. Their comments are ignorant of what was > actually proposed and what transpired in the working group. Indeed, > the working group actually proposed to have a market power test that > could be referred to national competition authorities. As usual, the > GAC came in months afterwards asking ICANN to institute a market > power check by national authorities - a completely irrelevant > comment by that time. > > I suspect that both the EU and US were lobbied by TM interests and > were simply looking for an excuse to delay progress. > > Perhaps you can explain to me how a completely new registry, with > ZERO market share, which other registrars may not want to promote > without payment or kickbacks, can cause a competition policy > problem? How can it have market power? > > If you want to be better informed about this issue, I suggest that > you read the archives of the VI WG list, and the reports that were > produced by the VI Wg. > > Furthermore, the conflict of interest issue (i.e., Dengate-Thrush's > movement to Minds and Machines) actually could have occured with or > without the VI decision, and thus your argument is irrelevant. > > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On > Behalf Of CW Mail [mail at christopherwilkinson.eu] > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:54 AM > To: McTim; Discussion for At-Large Europe > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: [governance] Registrar-Registry integration and conflicts > of interest > > Well, many of us have been subject to "cooling off" periods. > > In this particular case, the issue arises because ICANN has wrongly > decided that Registrars may apply to become their own Registries. > So now we have - as I foresaw last month - both the EU and the US (a) > pointing up the conflict of interest and (b) questioning the > competition policy aspects of the vertical integration decision. > > For a bottom-up, consensus driven process in which the At Large are > representing the public interest, that is quite an achievement. > > Regards to you all, > > CW > > > On 22 Sep 2011, at 13:16, McTim wrote: > >> I'm not so sure about a cooling off period and 2 years is a long >> time. >> >> What if an ICANN employee wanted to work for another Internet related >> policy organisation like ISOC or InternetNZ or APC, would that be >> allowed? >> >> The devil would be in the details, certainly! >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 PM, CW Mail >> wrote: >>> http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRJ76P0YHQ0X01-5GK35KVQ6SNK471LR9L5PCHQE9 >>> >>> Ah, Indeed. >>> >>> CW >>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] >>>> Im >>>> Auftrag >>>> von mail at christopherwilkinson.eu >>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2011 21:02 >>>> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> Cc: council at isoc-ecc.org >>>> Betreff: RE: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF >>>> HIS TERM >>>> >>>> There is an obvious conflict of interest in this context which >>>> should have >>>> been regulated, before, by the ICANN Board or by the ICANN >>>> Nominating >>>> Committee. Failure to do so will lead to additional intrusion by >>>> GAC or >>>> the >>>> US. >>>> >>>> Movements of this kind between the Regulator and the Operators >>>> should be >>>> subject to a 24 month cooling off period. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> CW >>>> >>>> >>>> Original Message: >>>> ----------------- >>>> From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang >>>> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de >>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:07:48 +0200 >>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> Subject: AW: [governance] BECKSTROM TO LEAVE ICANN AT END OF HIS >>>> TERM >>>> >>>> >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/icann-departures-draw-criticism/2011/ >>>> 08/19/gIQAzpeDTJ_story.html >>>> >>>> wolfgang >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>>> http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 14:36:22 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:36:22 +1200 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, Warm smily Jumbo! Thanks to all your helpful hints, I had a seamless entry and did not have to pay for visa fees and advised them that my country was on the "no visa required" list and also your letter Grace helped them to identify that I was here for the IGF. If anything, I experienced a most pleasant hospitality from the Customs, Immigration and the warm Kenyan hospitality from those at the IG desk. Thank you to the organisers because I know you had a huge role in ensuring the seamlessness of our journey. For me, it took me around 30 hours in total flight time to get here from Fiji. I followed all the tips and even got a $2US Sim Card from Bon Voyage shop outside the Airport. Best Regards, Sala On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > I have had the same experience as Marilia, (cannot exchange my dollars)... > I would just add: Orange sim cards are available and reasonable, I suggest > you keep an eye out and consider picking one up. Apparently there will be a > booth in the UN lobby starting tomorrow. > > Cheers, Ginger > > Ginger (Virginia) Paque > Diplo Foundation > www.diplomacy.edu/ig > VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > > *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org* > > > > > On 24 September 2011 10:33, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Just arrived as well. >> There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to >> do it. >> Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay >> for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the >> airport. >> >> Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight >> in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory >> information. >> >> There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no >> useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I >> should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official >> or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is >> misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. >> >> Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along >> the sidewalk of the airport. >> >> Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. >> They will explain the safest areas. >> >> That's all for now. >> >> Best, >> Marília >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. >>> >>> Sala >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >>> >>>> Dear IGF goers! >>>> >>>> My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are >>>> already sharing some good amounts of information! >>>> >>>> Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON >>>> is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the >>>> distances mentioned on the host country website >>>> < >>>> http://igf.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=30 >>>> > >>>> under the Accommodation section. >>>> >>>> As I was also taking information about the distances from the website >>>> and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was >>>> getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is >>>> Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. >>>> >>>> Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you >>>> can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel >>>> even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main >>>> entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. >>>> >>>> My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as >>>> they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can >>>> expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending >>>> on where from). >>>> >>>> So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, >>>> over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis >>>> from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour >>>> (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. >>>> >>>> Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened >>>> with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay >>>> only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told >>>> you this and you should be fine!!! >>>> >>>> If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! >>>> >>>> It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what >>>> they are paying per night!!! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards. >>>> -------------------------- >>>> Fouad Bajwa >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sala >>> >>> " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >> FGV Direito Rio >> >> Center for Technology and Society >> Getulio Vargas Foundation >> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 14:40:21 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:40:21 +0000 Subject: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, Message-ID: Great to have you Sala and so glad to know that everything went on smoothly. You rest tonight. Once again, welcome to Kenya. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:36:22 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: gpaque at gmail.com CC: governance at lists.cpsr.org; mariliamaciel at gmail.com; fouadbajwa at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers Dear All, Warm smily Jumbo! Thanks to all your helpful hints, I had a seamless entry and did not have to pay for visa fees and advised them that my country was on the "no visa required" list and also your letter Grace helped them to identify that I was here for the IGF. If anything, I experienced a most pleasant hospitality from the Customs, Immigration and the warm Kenyan hospitality from those at the IG desk. Thank you to the organisers because I know you had a huge role in ensuring the seamlessness of our journey. For me, it took me around 30 hours in total flight time to get here from Fiji. I followed all the tips and even got a $2US Sim Card from Bon Voyage shop outside the Airport. Best Regards, Sala On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: I have had the same experience as Marilia, (cannot exchange my dollars)... I would just add: Orange sim cards are available and reasonable, I suggest you keep an eye out and consider picking one up. Apparently there will be a booth in the UN lobby starting tomorrow. Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque Diplo Foundation www.diplomacy.edu/ig VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org On 24 September 2011 10:33, Marilia Maciel wrote: Hello, Just arrived as well. There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to do it. Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the airport. Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory information. There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along the sidewalk of the airport. Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. They will explain the safest areas. That's all for now. Best, Marília On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. Sala On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: Dear IGF goers! My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are already sharing some good amounts of information! Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the distances mentioned on the host country website under the Accommodation section. As I was also taking information about the distances from the website and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending on where from). So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told you this and you should be fine!!! If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what they are paying per night!!! -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Sun Sep 25 15:21:35 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:21:35 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement In-Reply-To: <1316711606.89179.YahooMailNeo@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4E69D7C3.4030400@ciroap.org> <001201cc6ed9$fcc66200$f6532600$@yahoo.com> ,<1316711606.89179.YahooMailNeo@web161918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks alot to Jeremy, Fouad, Imran, Sala, McTim, Ginger, Isumi and Shaila for your wonderful ideas. I will try and summarize/use what I can in the 4 minutes provided. Have a great week. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:13:26 -0700 From: shailam at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [governance] Notes for input to opening session statement To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; gpaque at gmail.com; aizu at anr.org CC: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; ggithaiga at hotmail.com; jeremy at ciroap.org; imran at igfpak.org Hi Grace and everyone I'm sure you will do a fine job and I look forward to hearing from you. I agree with the many important points that have been raised by every one. 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Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 – 1407,8 01418-903 São Paulo,SP, Brasil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 55118181.1464 De: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] Em nome de Marilia Maciel Enviada em: sábado, 24 de setembro de 2011 12:03 Para: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Cc: Fouad Bajwa Assunto: Re: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers Hello, Just arrived as well. There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to do it. Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the airport. Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory information. There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along the sidewalk of the airport. Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. They will explain the safest areas. That's all for now. Best, Marília On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. Sala On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: Dear IGF goers! My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are already sharing some good amounts of information! Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the distances mentioned on the host country website &view=article&id=48&Itemid=30> under the Accommodation section. As I was also taking information about the distances from the website and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is Distance from most of the downtown hotels is 5-8km. Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you can haggle a bit.) In rush hour it can take a long time to travel even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending on where from). So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd. That taxis from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour (e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told you this and you should be fine!!! If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what they are paying per night!!! -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope you all have a productive and a fun time. Shaila   The journey begins sooner than you anticipate ! ..................... the renaissance of composure ! ________________________________ From: Grace Githaiga To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; gpaque at gmail.com Cc: mariliamaciel at gmail.com; fouadbajwa at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers Great to have you Sala and so glad to know that everything went on smoothly. You rest tonight. Once again, welcome to Kenya.   Rgds Grace   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!   ________________________________ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:36:22 +1200 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com To: gpaque at gmail.com CC: governance at lists.cpsr.org; mariliamaciel at gmail.com; fouadbajwa at gmail.com Subject: Re: [governance] Nairobi on the ground advice for IGF goers Dear All, Warm smily Jumbo! Thanks to all your helpful hints, I had a seamless entry and did not have to pay for visa fees and advised them that my country was on the "no visa required" list and also your letter Grace helped them to identify that I was here for the IGF. If anything, I experienced a most pleasant hospitality from the Customs, Immigration and the warm Kenyan hospitality from those at the IG desk. Thank you to the organisers because I know you had a huge role in ensuring the seamlessness of our journey. For me, it took me around 30 hours in total flight time to get here from Fiji. I followed all the tips and even got a $2US Sim Card from Bon Voyage shop outside the Airport.  Best Regards, Sala On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: I have had the same experience as Marilia, (cannot exchange my dollars)... I would just add: Orange sim cards are available and reasonable, I suggest you keep an eye out and consider picking one up. Apparently there will be a booth in the UN lobby starting tomorrow. >  >Cheers, Ginger > >Ginger (Virginia) Paque > >Diplo Foundation >www.diplomacy.edu/ig >VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu > >Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > > >On 24 September 2011 10:33, Marilia Maciel wrote: > >Hello, >> >> >>Just arrived as well. >>There was no problem in getting the visa. Most of the foreigners seem to do it.  >>Just make sure you bring new US dollars (the ones with large faces) to pay for the visa. You also cannot exchange older US dollars anywhere at the airport. >> >> >>Luggage has been sent directly to Nairobi, despite our connection flight in Johanesburg. But it is always good to check, as we received contradictory information. >> >> >>There is a desk from at IGF at the lobby of the airport, but there was no useful information I could get there. The lady from the IGF desk told me I should pay 300 to the city center. but we could not find any taxi (official or not) that would take us for less than 1.200. Either the lady is misinformed or they are all agreeing prices between them. >> >> >>Most of ATMs were not working, but there is one if you walk right, along the sidewalk of the airport. >> >> >>Ask for a map upon arrival, especially if you staying at the city center. They will explain the safest areas. >> >> >>That's all for now. >> >> >>Best, >>Marília >> >> >>On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >>Thanks Fouad. This is very useful. >>> >>> >>>Sala >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa wrote: >>> >>>Dear IGF goers! >>>> >>>>My friends and colleagues that have already reached Nairobi are >>>>already sharing some good amounts of information! >>>> >>>>Those that have already visited the venue share that UN Center, UNON >>>>is out of the center of Nairobi, but it is not as far as some of the >>>>distances mentioned on the host country website >>>> >>>>under the Accommodation section. >>>> >>>>As I was also taking information about the distances from the website >>>>and asking around but it seems it may be shorter than the idea I was >>>>getting. Here's a map showing where UNON is >>>>Distance from most of the downtown hotels  is 5-8km. >>>> >>>>Taxi should cost less that KSH1,000 (ask before you get in, and you >>>>can haggle a bit.)  In rush hour it can take a long time to travel >>>>even the short distance. No rush hour, 15-20 minutes. The UNON main >>>>entrance is opposite the US Embassy, but taxi drivers know this. >>>> >>>>My colleage says that one should come and get their badge as soon as >>>>they can because shuttles don't operate until the IGF starts. One can >>>>expect to pay less that KSH1000 (but probably less, 600-800 depending >>>>on where from). >>>> >>>>So far the comments are that people should get their badges early, >>>>over the weekend or as soon as they arrive after the 23rd.  That taxis >>>>from most hotels should not be too expensive, and out of rush-hour >>>>(e.g. 10am) will be quite quick. >>>> >>>>Always tell the taxi driver if they ask for 30 USD (this has happened >>>>with me last year during the ICANN meeting) or more that you will pay >>>>only 600 or 800 depending on where you are as your local friend told >>>>you this and you should be fine!!! >>>> >>>>If you are already there, do share some advice or suggestions!!! >>>> >>>>It would be nice if our members share where they are staying and what >>>>they are paying per night!!! >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Regards. >>>>-------------------------- >>>>Fouad Bajwa >>>>____________________________________________________________ >>>>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>>    governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>>To be removed from the list, visit: >>>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>>For all other list information and functions, see: >>>>    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Sala >>>  >>>" Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". >>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>    governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>To be removed from the list, visit: >>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>>For all other list information and functions, see: >>>    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >>FGV Direito Rio >> >>Center for Technology and Society >>Getulio Vargas Foundation >>Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>    governance at lists.cpsr.org >>To be removed from the list, visit: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >>For all other list information and functions, see: >>    http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>    http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> > -- Sala   " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And yes she was a formidable woman. Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:36:41 -0400 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ggithaiga at hotmail.com Subject: [governance] More sad news Dear Grace, I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her concerns. Condolences to Kenya Deirdre-- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 03:21:17 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:21:17 +1200 Subject: [governance] Congratulations Kenya Message-ID: It was really great to pick up the newspaper to read the Headlines of Kenya Today, Kenya Scoops UN Award in e-Health and is carried through to page 2. -- Sala " Perfect Stillness in the midst of the noise". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Sep 26 08:19:53 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:19:53 -0300 Subject: [governance] More sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E806DE9.30305@cafonso.ca> Ditto. Huge loss indeed for Kenya and Africa. []s fraternos --c.a. On 09/26/2011 01:36 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Dear Grace, > I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai > About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her > concerns. > Condolences to Kenya > Deirdre ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Mon Sep 26 08:22:36 2011 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:22:36 +0900 Subject: [governance] More sad news In-Reply-To: <4E806DE9.30305@cafonso.ca> References: <4E806DE9.30305@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Yes, and for the whole globe. She has been quite popular and well respected in Japan, too. izumi 2011/9/26 Carlos A. Afonso : > Ditto. Huge loss indeed for Kenya and Africa. > > []s fraternos > > --c.a. > > On 09/26/2011 01:36 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >> >> Dear Grace, >> I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai >> About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her >> concerns. >> Condolences to Kenya >> Deirdre > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nyangkweagien at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 08:38:28 2011 From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:38:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] More sad news In-Reply-To: References: <4E806DE9.30305@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Horrible loss to Africa Wangaari and Madiba Mandiba were the only Nobel laureats that could stand up and talk genuinely on the behalf of Africa. So bad!!! Aaron. On 9/26/11, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Yes, and for the whole globe. > > She has been quite popular and well respected in Japan, too. > > izumi > > 2011/9/26 Carlos A. Afonso : >> Ditto. Huge loss indeed for Kenya and Africa. >> >> []s fraternos >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 09/26/2011 01:36 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>> >>> Dear Grace, >>> I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai >>> About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of >>> her >>> concerns. >>> Condolences to Kenya >>> Deirdre >> >> ____________________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Aaron Agien Nyangkwe Journalist-OutCome Mapper C/o P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pwilson at apnic.net Mon Sep 26 08:59:53 2011 From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:59:53 +1000 Subject: [governance] More sad news In-Reply-To: References: <4E806DE9.30305@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: FYI the IGF ministerial meeting here in Nairobi observed a minute's silence for Wangari, during this morning's session. Paul. On 26/09/2011, at 10:38 PM, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron wrote: > Horrible loss to Africa > > Wangaari and Madiba Mandiba were the only Nobel laureats that could > stand up and talk genuinely on the behalf of Africa. > > So bad!!! > > Aaron. > > On 9/26/11, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> Yes, and for the whole globe. >> >> She has been quite popular and well respected in Japan, too. >> >> izumi >> >> 2011/9/26 Carlos A. Afonso : >>> Ditto. Huge loss indeed for Kenya and Africa. >>> >>> []s fraternos >>> >>> --c.a. >>> >>> On 09/26/2011 01:36 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Grace, >>>> I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai >>>> About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of >>>> her >>>> concerns. >>>> Condolences to Kenya >>>> Deirdre >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Aaron Agien Nyangkwe > Journalist-OutCome Mapper > C/o > P.O.Box 5213 > Douala-Cameroon > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Mon Sep 26 09:05:14 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:05:14 +0900 Subject: [governance] Workshop on IG and disaster preparedness - Thursday 2 pm Message-ID: Sorry for some promotional info, but I cannot help post this. I will be reporting on our experience and findings from the Great earthquake and Tsunami in Japan in March this year, use of Internet and some policy/ governance issues. We conducted some survey on how people used or tried but could not use the Internet and mobile, TV, radio and other info tools during the emergency and post-quake period. The situation in North East Japan hit by the disaster is not getting that much better. Many people are still suffering very much. So, if you are interested, please come to: Workshop 181, How can Internet Governance impact disaster preparedness and response and help save lives? http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2011View&wspid=181 It is hosted by Access Partnership, US-based private sector body. thanks, izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Sep 26 09:26:20 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:26:20 +0300 Subject: [governance] A reminder of the IGC events at the IGF In-Reply-To: References: <4964BFD7-73F4-4B85-8C5C-1F7ED83D6C55@ciroap.org> <9EAE0344-D6AF-4278-B578-7C511DC77711@ciroap.org> Message-ID: On 26/09/2011, at 3:20 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Dear Jeremy > > Please reconfirm the venue for the meeting today at 6 30. The GIGANET room, which is currently meeting room 10… though later in the day we will be combining with the APC pre-event and may be moving rooms. For those attending remotely, use http://igf-online.net/chat.php or connect to the #igf IRC channel on chat.freenode.net, or join the Jabber group chat #igf at irc.igf-online.net. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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Begin forwarded message: > From: Walter van Holst > Subject: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October > Date: 26 September 2011 4:52:34 PM GMT+03:00 > To: > Reply-To: edri-members at mailman.edri.org > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: e-G20 in October > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200 > From: Irene Prevedello > To: board at edri.org > Cc: Luca Nicotra > > Dear EDRi, > > the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily turn out > into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was that WE > were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE were > kept off the closed court. > > The 21th of October there is going to be another e-G20 in Paris, and > again there is the concrete risk that very important decisions will be > taken without us been involved. > > We have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been excluded again. > > > The counter-conference organized in May by "La Quadrature du Net" is, > in our opinion, a good starting point for a broader collaboration > between the organizations representing the civil society. > > Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society shouldn't be > left in the audience, on the contrary it should be represented at the > negotiating table and perform an active role. In order to do so we > should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions that put pressure > on the invited with the aim of been included in this important > discussion. > > As has happened in May, this Forum has not been advertized: there is in > fact the tendency to fence the debate. However, we were able to have > access to some information about the program. You will find the > information at the end of the mail. . > > It is clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room for an open > discussion and participation: all the work, as usual, is probably been > done in these days in a non-transparent environment between governments > and big stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should capitalize on this > opportunity, in the light of the seeming will to make the e-G20 a > regular meeting. > > For now, our aim is double. > > First, bring the subject to the public attention, by organizing > initiatives and sharing information: it's important to mobilize the net > and the ordinary people, because only by involving different players and > individuals we can became an interlocutor with which the invited must > dialogue. > > Second, work on some requests that push for a greater transparency > before and after the official e-G20 Forums. Consequently, we are asking > for a bigger involvement of the representatives of the civil society, > that should be invited not only at the official Forums, but at the > preparation meetings as well. > > Considering that the event will receive the media attention, we also > believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a demonstration > to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize public awareness. > > We have some ideas about initiatives that can be useful in sensitizing > the public opinion. We are proposing a project that aims to be a > productive open collaboration between different organizations that share > the belief in the net neutrality and freedom. > > We hope that You find our project interesting and decide to take part > of it. Sharing our common experiences can help us build an effective > network that can achieve important results. > > Waiting for your response and ideas, > > Cordially, > > Irene Prevedello > > Agorà Digitale Team > > Program e-G8 (21th October 2011) > > There is going to be a plenary session discussing on: > > * Innovation: networks’ friend or foe? > * How to combine the Internet business model and respect for privacy? > * All against digital divides: the Internet for all. > > Then, a restricted session between Ministers and some entrepreneurs > focusing on the topic: “What agenda for network security?” will be > held. > > Finally, there will be a Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic: > “The Public Space of the 21st century: does the Internet safeguard > political democracy?”. > > Ministers Invited > > * Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna Lutchmana PADAYACHIE, ministre des > communications > * Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER, Vice-chancelier, ministre de l’économie > et de la technologie > * Australie: Stephen CONROY, ministre des communications, du haut débit > et de l’économie numérique > * Brésil: Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des communications > * Canada: Christian PARADIS, ministre de l’industrie > * Commission européenne: Neelie KROES, Vice-présidente, commissaire > chargée de l’agenda numérique > * Corée du Sud: See Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne > pour les communications > * Etats-Unis: Lawrence STRICKLING, secrétaire adjoint au commerce, > administrateur de la National Telecommunications and Information > Administration (NTIA) > * Finlande: Krista KIURU, ministre du logement et des communications > * France: Eric BESSON, ministre chargé de l’industrie, de l’énergie > et de l’économie numérique > * Inde: Sam PITRODA, conseiller du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation > et les technologies de l’information > * Italie: Paolo ROMANI, ministre du développement économique > * Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA, ministre des affaires intérieures et des > communications > * Kenya: Samuel POGHISIO, ministre de l’information et des > communications > * Maroc: Ahmed CHAMI, ministre de l’industrie, du commerce et des > nouvelles technologies > * Mexique: Dionisio PEREZ-JACOME, ministre des communications et des > transports > * Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY, ministre de la culture, des communications et > des industries créatives > * Russie: Igor SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias > * Suède: Anna-Karin HATT, ministre de la technologie de l’information > et des affaires régionales > > -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gurstein at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 12:13:55 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:13:55 -0700 Subject: FW: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Message-ID: I recently had the opportunity to attend a "technical/expert" Workshop in part a followup to the eG8 meeting discussing "measuring the Internet Economy"... In light of the below, my blogpost commenting on the Workshop might be of interest and also give an indication of why among many other reasons it is important that civil society be a part of these events and point to the impact that the absence of CS can have both from the CS and the broader perspective. http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet -and-why-it-matters/ "perhaps of greatest significance from the perspective of Civil Society and of communities is the overall absence of measurement and thus inclusion in the economic accounting of the value of the contributions provided to, through and on the Internet of various voluntary and not-for-profit initiatives and activities" Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:34 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Important news of a follow-up to the e-G8 meeting in conjunction with next month's G20. Begin forwarded message: From: Walter van Holst Subject: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Date: 26 September 2011 4:52:34 PM GMT+03:00 To: Reply-To: edri-members at mailman.edri.org -------- Original Message -------- Subject: e-G20 in October Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200 From: Irene Prevedello To: board at edri.org Cc: Luca Nicotra Dear EDRi, the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily turn out into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was that WE were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE were kept off the closed court. The 21th of October there is going to be another e-G20 in Paris, and again there is the concrete risk that very important decisions will be taken without us been involved. We have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been excluded again. The counter-conference organized in May by "La Quadrature du Net" is, in our opinion, a good starting point for a broader collaboration between the organizations representing the civil society. Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society shouldn't be left in the audience, on the contrary it should be represented at the negotiating table and perform an active role. In order to do so we should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions that put pressure on the invited with the aim of been included in this important discussion. As has happened in May, this Forum has not been advertized: there is in fact the tendency to fence the debate. However, we were able to have access to some information about the program. You will find the information at the end of the mail. . It is clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room for an open discussion and participation: all the work, as usual, is probably been done in these days in a non-transparent environment between governments and big stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should capitalize on this opportunity, in the light of the seeming will to make the e-G20 a regular meeting. For now, our aim is double. First, bring the subject to the public attention, by organizing initiatives and sharing information: it's important to mobilize the net and the ordinary people, because only by involving different players and individuals we can became an interlocutor with which the invited must dialogue. Second, work on some requests that push for a greater transparency before and after the official e-G20 Forums. Consequently, we are asking for a bigger involvement of the representatives of the civil society, that should be invited not only at the official Forums, but at the preparation meetings as well. Considering that the event will receive the media attention, we also believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a demonstration to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize public awareness. We have some ideas about initiatives that can be useful in sensitizing the public opinion. We are proposing a project that aims to be a productive open collaboration between different organizations that share the belief in the net neutrality and freedom. We hope that You find our project interesting and decide to take part of it. Sharing our common experiences can help us build an effective network that can achieve important results. Waiting for your response and ideas, Cordially, Irene Prevedello Agorà Digitale Team Program e-G8 (21th October 2011) There is going to be a plenary session discussing on: * Innovation: networks’ friend or foe? * How to combine the Internet business model and respect for privacy? * All against digital divides: the Internet for all. Then, a restricted session between Ministers and some entrepreneurs focusing on the topic: “What agenda for network security?” will be held. Finally, there will be a Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic: “The Public Space of the 21st century: does the Internet safeguard political democracy?”. Ministers Invited * Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna Lutchmana PADAYACHIE, ministre des communications * Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER, Vice-chancelier, ministre de l’économie et de la technologie * Australie: Stephen CONROY, ministre des communications, du haut débit et de l’économie numérique * Brésil: Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des communications * Canada: Christian PARADIS, ministre de l’industrie * Commission européenne: Neelie KROES, Vice-présidente, commissaire chargée de l’agenda numérique * Corée du Sud: See Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne pour les communications * Etats-Unis: Lawrence STRICKLING, secrétaire adjoint au commerce, administrateur de la National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) * Finlande: Krista KIURU, ministre du logement et des communications * France: Eric BESSON, ministre chargé de l’industrie, de l’énergie et de l’économie numérique * Inde: Sam PITRODA, conseiller du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation et les technologies de l’information * Italie: Paolo ROMANI, ministre du développement économique * Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA, ministre des affaires intérieures et des communications * Kenya: Samuel POGHISIO, ministre de l’information et des communications * Maroc: Ahmed CHAMI, ministre de l’industrie, du commerce et des nouvelles technologies * Mexique: Dionisio PEREZ-JACOME, ministre des communications et des transports * Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY, ministre de la culture, des communications et des industries créatives * Russie: Igor SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias * Suède: Anna-Karin HATT, ministre de la technologie de l’information et des affaires régionales -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Mon Sep 26 15:37:49 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:37:49 -0400 Subject: [governance] critique of the IBSA proposal In-Reply-To: References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937255@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <460E128A-D91B-436B-986C-6092064651E2@uzh.ch> <4E796D70.4060102@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549372EC@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7AADF8.9050804@itforchange.net> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D7175498A695@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4E7CF7BB.4010606@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D71754937362@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549373A6@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Whether it was the intent or not, do you agree that politically it is highly unlikely that the USG is going to let go? 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Carlton Samuels ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams [williams.deirdre at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:36 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Grace Githaiga Subject: [governance] More sad news Dear Grace, I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her concerns. Condolences to Kenya Deirdre -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 00:40:52 2011 From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:40:52 -0700 Subject: [governance] More sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: deep condolences Baudouin 2011/9/25 Deirdre Williams > Dear Grace, > I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai > About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her > concerns. > Condolences to Kenya > Deirdre > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ ACADEMIE DES TIC FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre At-Large Member NCSG Member email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net tél:+243998983491 skype:b.schombe wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Tue Sep 27 04:19:54 2011 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:19:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] More sad news Message-ID: <1715679533.20669.1317111594682.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m35> "Wangari Maathai was a mighty woman, creative, fearless and full of love. We will miss her." *Kerry Kennedy,President of the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice & Human Rights. the link to the IPS article : http://ipsnews.net/newsTVE.asp?idnews=105245 I join my warmest condoleances to the family and friends of Wangari, as well as to the Kenyan HR activists and CS organisations that suuported her great work. Respect and Peace to her soul Jean-Louis Fullsack CSDPTT - France > Message du 27/09/11 06:41 > De : "Baudouin SCHOMBE" > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Deirdre Williams" > Copie à : "Grace Githaiga" > Objet : Re: [governance] More sad news > > deep condolences > > Baudouin > > 2011/9/25 Deirdre Williams > Dear Grace,I just read the news on the BBC of the death of Wangari Maathai About people and voices and rights the IGC would seem to share many of her concerns. Condolences to Kenya Deirdre -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >   > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >   > > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL/ > ACADEMIE DES TIC > FACILITATEUR GAID/AFRIQUE Membre > At-Large Member > NCSG Member > > email:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com >          baudouin.schombe at ticafrica.net > tél:+243998983491 > skype:b.schombe > wite web:http://webmail.ticafrica.net > blog:http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:      http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 04:24:03 2011 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 04:24:03 -0400 Subject: [governance] Interesting News Media coverage of the IGF Message-ID: From: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/activists-meet-to-defend-internetstate-control_590791.html Activists meet to defend Internet from state control By Georgina Prodhan LONDON (Reuters) - Internet activists will this week make an 11th-hour attempt to stop governments seizing more control of the Web that has fuelled Arab revolutions, enabled mass leaks of U.S. diplomatic cables and allowed online piracy to thrive. The Internet Governance Forum that begins in Nairobi on Tuesday brings together companies, non-profit groups, academics, engineers, government representatives and ordinary citizens. They hope to show they are best placed to write the rules of the road ahead for the World Wide Web, an increasingly important driver of economic growth in a world on the brink of recession. In a study published this year, consultancy McKinsey found the Internet accounted for 21 percent of GDP growth in mature countries, and that almost $8 trillion changes hands through e-commerce each year. "Stronger influence of governments seems inevitable. The Internet has simply become too important for them to ignore it. They prefer a top-down approach," Markus Kummer of the Internet Society, which campaigns for the open Internet, told a recent London seminar. Groups like the Internet Society fear the creeping use by governments of tools like "three strikes and you're out" laws to cut off Internet access from citizens caught breaking copyright rules, already passed by France and being considered in several other European countries. Some countries have tried more radical measures, like Egypt cutting itself off from the Internet during the Arab Spring to stop flash protests being coordinated on websites like Twitter. French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who applauded the Arab Spring, hosted the e-G8 in Paris this year, a conference of political leaders and Internet company bosses at which he put the case for more government regulation while paying lip service to an inclusive approach to governing the Internet. "It was very exclusionary. For women and the global South there was virtually no consultation. It was a hand-picked group of white, male billionaires," Internet lawyer and consumer advocate Jeremy Malcolm told Reuters. "The IGF is really the last best hope for this process. If it fails, what we're going to get is India, Brazil, South Africa, China, Kazakhstan, Russia and so on putting forward the idea that we need an intergovernmental process." The Internet's potential to raise living standards is under-exploited in the developing world where just 21 percent of the population have access, compared with 69 percent in the developed world. Its role as a catalyst for development will be a key theme of the IGF, a United Nations-sponsored event where speakers will include World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee and EU digital agenda commissioner Neelie Kroes. If it is to succeed in keeping governments at arm's length, the IGF will also have to show it is serious about cybersecurity which companies now view as a bigger threat than traditional crime, natural disasters and terrorism. The forum comes at a time of technical upheaval for the Internet where top-level domains such as .com or .org are about to be liberalised, enabling companies and communities to buy, create, name and run their own domains. Web addresses in languages like Arabic and Russian have also recently been made possible, a move expected to transform the Internet and give more power to non-English speakers. "The technology continuing to change is a given that we have to accept," said Jeff Brueggeman, who runs public policy for U.S. telecoms operator AT&T and will attend the IGF. "The idea is always to be looking ahead at the next issue." (Editing by Robert Woodward) ====================== From: http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2011/09/internet-governance-fosters-africas-development/ *Internet Governance Fosters Africa's Development* South Africa’s Minister of Communications, Roy Padayachie today addressed the High Level Ministerial Forum on Internet Governance taking place in Nairobi, Kenya on 26 September 2011. The first High Level Ministerial Forum on Internet Governance taking place in Africa (image source: file photo) The Ministerial Forum, which is the first in a series of high level ministerial forums on Internet for Development in Africa, aims to foster meaningful debate for developing countries on the importance of Internet Governance as well as Internet Policy. The outcomes of this Forum will be shared with the 6th Annual United Nations Internet Governance Forum (IGF) Conference, which takes place at the same venue, from 27 – 30 September 2011. This is the first time that the global IGF – under the theme “Internet as a catalyst for Change: Access, Development, Freedom and Innovation” – takes place on African soil. “I would like to express the appreciation of the Government of Kenya and the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) by the South Africa, for bringing the Internet Governance Forum back to Africa for the second time,” says Padayachie. “The internet has become a critical tool for national cohesion and poverty eradication in national development. It is already widely recognised that investment by developing countries in ICTs yields positive multiplier effects towards economic growth. We have also seen the impact of the internet in social, political and economic transformation. The internet is changing the way we do things, both nationally and globally,” says Padayachie. “The internet has a huge impact on public policy. It is our view that Governments have to be involved in the development of public policy to ensure that the internet develops in* *ways that offer the most benefit to humankind,” adds Padayachie. “This Forum could therefore make a valuable contribution towards implementing the decisions of the World Summit on the Information Society with regard to Internet Governance. The Tunis Agenda of WSIS refers to the role and responsibility of governments to address issues of public policy with respect to the Internet, on an equal footing, but also involving all stakeholders in their respective roles. This Tunis Agenda also underlined the need to maximise the participation of developing countries in decisions regarding Internet Governance, which should reflect their interests.” “I would like to emphasise the need for inclusivity in the global system, and for fair and transparent multilateral decision making, so that all countries, including developing countries, can participate in addressing public policy issues that pertain to the internet, in line with the WSIS outcomes. Decisions concerning Internet Governance, Cybersecurity and the future of the Internet cannot just be the preserve of the powerful and dominant vested interests,” concludes Padayachie. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hackshaw @ Google wrote: > LONDON (Reuters) - Internet activists will this week make an 11th-hour attempt to stop governments seizing more control of the Web that has fuelled Arab revolutions, enabled mass leaks of U.S. diplomatic cables and allowed online piracy to thrive. A lot of this article makes me wince, especially one of the comments attributed to me. > "The IGF is really the last best hope for this process. If it fails, what we're going to get is India, Brazil, South Africa, China, Kazakhstan, Russia and so on putting forward the idea that we need an intergovernmental process." In the context of the actual interview I gave, I distinguished between the IBSA and the China et al proposals and that there was hope that the IBSA model would actually complement the IGF and respect multi-stakeholder principles, but that we just don't know enough about it yet and haven't been enough involved. Anyway, I envision posting to this list within the next couple of hours with a summary of the IGC meeting last night. There were some important issues raised and some decisions we will all need to make. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This statement will be rather short and concise. Since I have to leave Nairobi before the Closing session on Friday, I propose Jeremy as our speaker. At the same time we like to start an open Working Group, taking this draft as a first step, and will continue the work to expand it into more structured, or matured document aiming the eG20 meeting to be held on Oct 21 in Paris and other similar venue of strategic importance. For that, we also like to invite or collaborate with other like-minded groups and organizations to make it more of a joint statement of principles rather than IGC solo. These are our proposal. Of course open to all of your comments and suggestions. Jeremy and Izumi --------------- Letter dated 12 September 2011 from the Permanent Representatives of China, the Russian Federation, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General [Preamble:] Recent years have witnessed the considerable progress achieved in developing and applying the latest information and telecommunication technologies, which could potentially be used for purposes that are inconsistent with the objectives of maintaining international stability and security. It is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect. To that end, China, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have jointly elaborated in the form of a potential General Assembly resolution on an international code of conduct for information security and call for international deliberations within the United Nations framework on such an international code, with the aim of achieving the earliest possible consensus on international norms and rules guiding the behaviour of States in the information space (see annex). ------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CnRuTjUz Proposal N1149656.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38253 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iza at anr.org Tue Sep 27 05:02:04 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:02:04 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: Our plan on China-Russia-Tajikistan-Uzbekistan Proposal - Code of Conduct to UN SG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is the text version for your convenience. izumi --------- United Nations *General Assembly* *Sixty-sixth session* Item 93 of the provisional agenda* * * *Developments in the field of information and telecommunications in the context of international security* * * A/66/359 *Letter dated 12 September 2011 from the Permanent Representatives of China, the Russian Federation, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General* Recent years have witnessed the considerable progress achieved in developing and applying the latest information and telecommunication technologies, which could potentially be used for purposes that are inconsistent with the objectives of maintaining international stability and security. It is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect. To that end, China, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have jointly elaborated in the form of a potential General Assembly resolution on an international code of conduct for information security and call for international deliberations within the United Nations framework on such an international code, with the aim of achieving the earliest possible consensus on international norms and rules guiding the behaviour of States in the information space (see annex). It would be highly appreciated if you could circulate the present letter and its annex as a document of the sixty-sixth session of the General Assembly, under item 93 of the provisional agenda. (*Signed*) *Li *Baodong Permanent Representative of the People’s Republic of China to the United Nations (*Signed*) Vitaly *Churkin *Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations (*Signed*) Sirodjidin *Aslov *Permanent Representative of the Republic of Tajikistan to the United Nations (*Signed*) Murad *Askarov *Permanent Representative of the Republic of Uzbekistan to the United Nations *Annex to the letter dated 12 September 2011 from the Permanent Representatives of China, the Russian Federation, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General* [Original: Chinese, English and Russian] *International code of conduct for information security* * * *The General Assembly*, * * *Recalling *its resolutions on the role of science and technology in the context of international security, in which, inter alia, it recognized that scientific and technological developments could have both civilian and military applications and that progress in science and technology for civilian applications needed to be maintained and encouraged, * * *Noting *that considerable progress has been achieved in developing and applying the latest information technologies and means of telecommunication, * * *Recognizing *the need to prevent the potential use of information and communication technologies for purposes that are inconsistent with the objectives of maintaining international stability and security and may adversely affect the integrity of the infrastructure within States, to the detriment of their security, *Underlining *the need for enhanced coordination and cooperation among States in combating the criminal misuse of information technologies and, in that context, stressing the role that can be played by the United Nations and other international and regional organizations, *Highlighting *the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels, *Reaffirming *that policy authority for Internet-related public issues is the sovereign right of States, which have rights and responsibilities for international Internet-related public policy issues, * * *Recognizing *that confidence and security in the use of information and communications technologies are among the main pillars of the information society and that a robust global culture of cybersecurity needs to be encouraged, promoted, developed and vigorously implemented, pursuant to General Assembly resolution 64/211 of 21 December 2009, entitled “Creation of a global culture of cybersecurity and taking stock of national efforts to protect critical information infrastructures”, *Stressing *the need for enhanced efforts to close the digital divide by facilitating the transfer of information technology and capacity-building to developing countries in the areas of cybersecurity best practices and training, pursuant to resolution 64/211, * * *Adopts *the international code of conduct for information security as follows: * * *Purpose and scope* The purpose of the present code is to identify the rights and responsibilities of States in information space, promote their constructive and responsible behaviours and enhance their cooperation in addressing the common threats and challenges in information space, so as to ensure that information and communications technologies, including networks, are to be solely used to benefit social and economic development and people’s well-being, with the objective of maintaining international stability and security. Adherence to the code is voluntary and open to all States. * * * * *Code of conduct* Each State voluntarily subscribing to the code pledges: (a) To comply with the Charter of the United Nations and universally recognized norms governing international relations that enshrine, inter alia, respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of all States, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms and respect for the diversity of history, culture and social systems of all countries; (b) Not to use information and communications technologies, including networks, to carry out hostile activities or acts of aggression, pose threats to international peace and security or proliferate information weapons or related technologies; (c) To cooperate in combating criminal and terrorist activities that use information and communications technologies, including networks, and in curbing the dissemination of information that incites terrorism, secessionism or extremism or that undermines other countries’ political, economic and social stability, as well as their spiritual and cultural environment; (d) To endeavour to ensure the supply chain security of information and communications technology products and services, in order to prevent other States from using their resources, critical infrastructures, core technologies and other advantages to undermine the right of the countries that have accepted the code of conduct, to gain independent control of information and communications technologies or to threaten the political, economic and social security of other countries; (e) To reaffirm all the rights and responsibilities of States to protect, in accordance with relevant laws and regulations, their information space and critical information infrastructure from threats, disturbance, attack and sabotage; (f) To fully respect rights and freedom in information space, including rights and freedom to search for, acquire and disseminate information on the premise of complying with relevant national laws and regulations; (g) To promote the establishment of a multilateral, transparent and democratic international Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet; (h) To lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructures; (i) To assist developing countries in their efforts to enhance capacity- building on information security and to close the digital divide; (j) To bolster bilateral, regional and international cooperation, promote the important role of the United Nations in formulating international norms, peaceful settlements of international disputes and improvements in international cooperation in the field of information security, and enhance coordination among relevant international organizations; (k) To settle any dispute resulting from the application of the code through peaceful means and to refrain from the threat or use of force. * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please find attached the press release file. The result of this meeting is the young people message to the Information Society Leaders. The message was prepared with the video support and as a video clip. We are very happy to present the message during the Workshop 126, on Wednesday (28 of September from 09:10:30, room 13). Please find attached the Workshop flyer. And during the Main session: Taking Stock and the Way forward, on Friday 30 of September, 14:30-16:00. 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Hackshaw @ Google" quotes Reuters: >"The Internet Governance Forum that begins in Nairobi on Tuesday brings >together companies, non-profit groups, academics, engineers, government >representatives and ordinary citizens." > >"They hope to show they are best placed to write the rules of the road >ahead for the World Wide Web, an increasingly important driver of >economic growth in a world on the brink of recession" But not "write those rules" at the IGF, surely, because that would be a deliverable (decision), which the IGF doesn't allow. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 07:02:40 2011 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:02:40 -0400 Subject: [governance] Our plan on China-Russia-Tajikistan-Uzbekistan Proposal - Code of Conduct to UN SG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Izumi and All, Over the last couple of days I have heard repeated several times in news broadcasts the fundamental difficulty of finding a state by state solution to a global financial problem. This is the first time that I have heard the idea stated clearly and transparently, although for years it has been a sub-text, referred to indirectly, in discussions of economics. Like finance, information is now a global issue. Is there a way to bring that statement to the surface of the discussion? The word "catalyst" makes me very happy because it immediately shifts the focus from the technology to the information and the people while still maintaining the importance of the technology. And the catalyst works at a "people and information" level, not a state by state level. i don't know how we could state absolutely clearly and unequivocally the interdependence of things - not because we say so, but because it is? Deirdre On 27 September 2011 04:57, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi all, > Here attached is the draft proposal made by > China-Russia-Tajikistan-Uzbekistan to UN GA. > > We plan to write a Draft IGC statement on this subject, following the > discussion we had > last night here in Nairobi. Jeremy will first send the minutes of our > meeting, then work on the draft together with me and send it to the > list asap. > > Our idea is, to agree on the draft very quickly as part of our Closing > Statement here at IGF, we may ask you to comment within 24 hours, not > the usual 48, and if there > seems little objection in the end, we will read out at the closing > ceremony. > This statement will be rather short and concise. Since I have to leave > Nairobi before the Closing session on Friday, I propose Jeremy as our > speaker. > > At the same time we like to start an open Working Group, taking this draft > as a > first step, and will continue the work to expand it into more structured, > or matured document aiming the eG20 meeting to be held on Oct 21 in > Paris and other similar venue of strategic importance. For that, we also > like > to invite or collaborate with other like-minded groups and organizations > to make it more of a joint statement of principles rather than IGC solo. > > These are our proposal. Of course open to all of your comments and > suggestions. > > Jeremy and Izumi > > --------------- > Letter dated 12 September 2011 from the Permanent Representatives of > China, the Russian Federation, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to the United > Nations addressed to the Secretary-General > > [Preamble:] > > Recent years have witnessed the considerable progress achieved in > developing and applying the latest information and telecommunication > technologies, which could potentially be used for purposes that are > inconsistent with the objectives of maintaining international > stability and security. It is of great significance that the common > challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with > through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect. > To that end, China, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan have jointly > elaborated in the form of a potential General Assembly resolution on > an international code of conduct for information security and call for > international deliberations within the United Nations framework on > such an international code, with the aim of achieving the earliest > possible consensus on international norms and rules guiding the > behaviour of States in the information space (see annex). > > ------------- > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue Sep 27 08:15:23 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:15:23 +0300 Subject: [governance] Minutes of meeting of the Internet Governance Caucus, 26 September 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <880FFD1E-AFE3-485D-B732-6BA070637AFF@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <912DA4F1-01A4-4ED9-AB5C-32440CDE05D6@ciroap.org> Chairs: Izumi Aizu and Jeremy Malcolm Meeting time: circa 18:45 - 20:00 Present: approximately 35 members and observers IGC's workshops at this IGF The three IGC-sponsored workshops at this year's IGF were highlighted again; Mapping Internet Governance (Wednesday, 9am), Reflections on the Indian Proposal towards an IGF 2.0 (Thursday, 9am) and A Possible Framework for Global Network Neutrality (Thursday, 4:30pm). Next coordinator elections Jeremy indicated that he would be stepping down after the IGF meeting and calling an election for the next co-coordinator of the IGC. He invited everyone to consider nominating themselves or someone else for this position. If anyone was not listed as a voting member on our website, they should contact him about this now. Working groups of the IGC It was acknowledged that the three planning, outreach and strategy working groups that we had established last year had not taken off in the way originally hoped. For now, we will leave these working groups idle until an appropriate time to revive them. Strategic direction for the IGC There was discussion of whether to move towards an IGC 2.0 which could be incorporated, raise funds, perhaps retain a staff member, and seek accreditation with ECOSOC. This would make it easier for the IGC to stay on top of issues, travel to meetings, and move our website and mailing list onto a dedicated server of our own. Given the time and energy that would take to incorporate the IGC, an alternative proposition raised from the floor was for it to become an activity of a friendly host organisation, which could do those other things on our behalf. It was also suggested that the logistics and substance be separated, so that perhaps the coordinators could remain as volunteers, but with a staff member to take care of logistics. Action points on this item were for Jeremy to have some informal discussions with funders about whether this is something they would be interested in receiving a proposal on, and for the candidates for the next IGC coordinator position to address their views on the IGC's strategic direction in their statements. Review of the IGC charter Jeremy indicated that after stepping down, he would chair a working group to look at review of the IGC's charter, to address limitations that have often been raised, particularly about the definition of membership of the IGC. Another (possibly alternative) suggestion was to just add a message to the footer of mailing list emails explaining how IGC membership works. Other Internet governance processes There was discussion of the proliferation of new venues for Internet governance discussion outside of the IGF and CSTD. It was suggested that more information sharing between the groups covering each area is needed, for which no adequate mechanism yet exists. But in response it was pointed out that some of these venues don't yet have dedicated civil society networks around them, such as the IBSA proposal and the e-G8 and now the upcoming e-G20. A partial solution at mapping these spaces and who is active in them will begin at the Mapping Internet Governance workshop. People were encouraged to share their information on the IGC's website in the "Resources" page, even if it was just linking to useful posts on the mailing list. The value of the historical content on the old IGC websites was also stressed. Jeremy undertook to try to recover the content of old IGC websites and make sure they were accessible. Migration of IGC Mailing list There was a question about the migration of the IGC's mailing list away from the CPSR server, given that the CPSR no longer operates. Jeremy indicated that he was in discussions with the CPSR's webmaster about this, and that it was his intention to move the mailing list and website together. How this would be done would tie into the outcome of the question on funding of the IGC. CSTD WG on IGF improvement Izumi reported that there is no news on the next meeting of the CSTD Working Group on IGF Improvements. IGF MAG inactivity – absence of IGF executive coordinator – no transparency It was also reported with concern that the MAG had been relatively inactive of late, leaving many decisions to be made by the Secretariat in conjunction with individual stakeholders privately. Funding for MAG members to attend meetings had been dropped. It was to be hoped that the MAG would be refreshed once a new MAG Chair and the new IGF Executive Coordinator were appointed. It was understood that a shortlist had already been prepared, and might be announced during the IGF meeting. The transparency of this process, however, was poor. Also noted with concern was the issue of financial support to civil society to support IGF participation. Money contributed by countries such as Canada and Switzerland to a fund for delegates was handled by the ITU, with no transparency of how it would be applied. In the past, such money was directed to government delegations rather than civil society. Open letter about China/Russia/etc proposal on online code of conduct to UN SG Some members urged the IGC to write an open letter expressing concern about the intergovernmental code of conduct proposed by China, Russia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, and to invite other civil society groups to sign on (or alternatively, to do two statements: one of our own, and a joint one). Others observed that it might be too late, as the proposal is to be discussed at the General Assembly this week. Civil Society Declaration of our own principles It was also suggested that the proliferation of statements of Internet principles should be countered by civil society drafting its own set of principles, for sign-on by other civil society groups ahead of its presentation at the e-G20 meeting. It could later be discussed at the next IGF, with a view to forging a new multi-stakeholder framework incorporating all the other stakeholder principles documents. Wolfgang Kleinwachter offered to chair the drafting group. Jeremy suggested that civil society's closing address at the IGF could announce this effort. issue of next IGF host – Azerbaijan Concerns were also expressed about the selection of Azerbaijan as the next host of the IGF, and the suggestion made that we need another open letter to UN SG about the human rights record of Azerbaijan and the difficulty for civil society delegates to attend a meeting in that country without financial assistance. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Tue Sep 27 08:29:22 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:29:22 +0200 Subject: [governance] CS letter to UNGA References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. Wolfgang Nairobi, September 29, 2011 Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly Dear Mr. President, on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue Sep 27 08:37:41 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:37:41 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <146A8502-CF0B-475A-915A-70014E4185D5@ciroap.org> On 27/09/2011, at 3:29 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. Many thanks Wolfgang. Due to the compressed timescale available to us, Izumi and I have agreed that we won't be holding the usual 48-hour consensus call after the discussion on this draft closes. Instead we will determine whether there is a rough consensus based on the comments (especially objections) received as we fine-tune this draft text over the next 24 hours. In the interim, I will reach out to other civil society networks and other stakeholder groups to ascertain whether they will sign on to the final text. Thanks for your understanding of this deviation from our usual procedures. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 Skype: sonigitu.asibong.ekpe.aji *"LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" * 2011/9/27 Jeremy Malcolm > On 27/09/2011, at 3:29 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, > enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > > Many thanks Wolfgang. Due to the compressed timescale available to us, > Izumi and I have agreed that we won't be holding the usual 48-hour consensus > call after the discussion on this draft closes. Instead we will determine > whether there is a rough consensus based on the comments (especially > objections) received as we fine-tune this draft text over the next 24 hours. > In the interim, I will reach out to other civil society networks and other > stakeholder groups to ascertain whether they will sign on to the final text. > Thanks for your understanding of this deviation from our usual procedures. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Tue Sep 27 09:33:12 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:03:12 +0530 Subject: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to give detailed comments right now. parminder On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > Wolfgang > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > Dear Mr. President, > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. > > > > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. > > > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Tue Sep 27 10:05:52 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:05:52 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> We could change this sentence as follows: Old: While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" New: While we share a number of visions as that it is of great significance that Internet security "should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual resperct".... ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von parminder Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 15:33 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: Re: [governance] CS letter to UNGA I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to give detailed comments right now. parminder On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: Hi here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. Wolfgang Nairobi, September 29, 2011 Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly Dear Mr. President, on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at Tue Sep 27 10:23:06 2011 From: matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at (Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann@uni-graz.at)) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:23:06 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <8D4439AF-1F20-4168-A819-60C88C4A3DF7@uni-graz.at> Hi I was just wondering whether we shouldn't also include a reference to human rights and their protection, which are endangered by the very vague para c. Kind regards Matthias Am 27.09.2011 um 17:16 schrieb "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > We could change this sentence as follows: > > Old: > While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" > > New: > While we share a number of visions as that it is of great significance that Internet security "should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual resperct".... > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von parminder > Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 15:33 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] CS letter to UNGA > > > I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to give detailed comments right now. parminder > > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > Wolfgang > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > Dear Mr. President, > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. > > > > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. > > > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Tue Sep 27 10:28:11 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:28:11 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <8D4439AF-1F20-4168-A819-60C88C4A3DF7@uni-graz.at> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> good idea w ________________________________ Von: Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at) [mailto:matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at] Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 16:23 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA Hi I was just wondering whether we shouldn't also include a reference to human rights and their protection, which are endangered by the very vague para c. Kind regards Matthias Am 27.09.2011 um 17:16 schrieb "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > We could change this sentence as follows: > > Old: > While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" > > New: > While we share a number of visions as that it is of great significance that Internet security "should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual resperct".... > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von parminder > Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 15:33 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] CS letter to UNGA > > > I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to give detailed comments right now. parminder > > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > Wolfgang > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > Dear Mr. President, > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. > > > > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. > > > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 10:32:10 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:02:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Dear Wolfgang, It is necessary to assert our views on this, as it does not only a cause for concern for Civil Society, but also for Business. Though the draft resolution mentions "partnerships with private sector", it should be a matter of concern to the private sector that the draft resolution leads the process away from multi-stakeholder model to the multi-lateral model, which is not an inclusive process despite occasional "partnerships" with the private sector" Some more comments ( with full support for the idea of the letter to be sent ) 2011/9/27 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, > enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > Wolfgang > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > Dear Mr. President, > ( Should this be addressed only to the President of the UN General Assembly? ) > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations > assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want > to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. > If we don't have time to get an endorsement from other NGOs and CS organizations present, why not simply "The Internet Governance Caucus { to add a brief description of the IGC here } wishes to draw your attention" ? > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional > agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for > Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that > "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of > information security should be dealt with through international cooperation > and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the > security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect > the Internet and other information and communications technology networks > from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common > understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation > at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular > with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues > of Internet Governance. > Our foremost concern ought to be primarily about this being brought up for debate at the UN. These issues could to have been brought up at the IGF for discussion. That needs to expressed by emphatically referring to the IGF mandate, about the discussions that have taken place at the IGF during the last 6 years, and say that it is more appropriate to raise these concerns at the IGF > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of > the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance > as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and > civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, > rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution > and use of the Internet." > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the > multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the > security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish > "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to > ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and > ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with > the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the > Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil > society. > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of > society, including its information and communication partnerships with the > private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard > to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of > information security and the protection of critical information > infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays > an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed > document will take into consideration our concerns. > Here we could call for continued commitment from the UN to the Tunis agenda adopted by member states. Sivasubramanian M India http://internetstudio.in > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Tue Sep 27 10:39:02 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:39:02 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: Draft open letter to the United Nations General Assembly In-Reply-To: References: <045D4D2F-3DAB-4DD3-A84D-7F54DA8C504A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <02ABB0C9-6A52-4DC2-AF19-4586AAAA1F98@ciroap.org> On 27/09/2011, at 5:31 PM, Brett Solomon wrote: > Hey Jeremy, Izumi an Wolfgang, > > Great and important initiative which we will sign on to. > > However, I do think, given the nature of the proposal and its direct contravention of the Tunis agenda, the letter is too soft. > > eg > We should make clear who we are - not just a group of NGOs assembled, but some of the world's leading organisations, networks and Xx representing millions of people etc (This is not the right language I know, but let's establish ourselves). > I think we should provide them with the text that should be included in the proposal ie if they have text, they have something to work with. > I dont know if there are other concerns with the proposal (I haven't seen it - is it worth sending around to the list?) but I wonder if it has sufficient rights language contained in it. > The last line could be strengthened significantly: We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. Could be "We express our deep concern about the proposed text and call upon the members to ensure that the current proposal be rejected in its current format." Thanks for your comments. Attaching the text for your further info (and bcc'ing everyone again). -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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The case could be made I think, that both direclty through voluntary/free/open source contributions of time and skill and indirectly through public funding,-- we (the public/citizens/civil society/publicly funded researchers and academics etc.etc.) built the Internet and "we" thus have a right to sit at any table discussing it's future. As I indicate in the blogpost, efforts have been made to ignore this contribution for "technical" (and I suspect ideological) reasons but there is no reason to accept this and every reason to resist. M -----Original Message----- From: Irene Prevedello [mailto:irene.prevedello at agoradigitale.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:19 AM To: michael gurstein Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Luca Nicotra Subject: Re: FW: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Dear Mike, thanks for the suggestion, it will give us some cues! As a first initiative we are working on a Open Letter to present to the organizers of the e-G20. Are you interested in reading the draft and give us some suggestion? Please keep in mind that the contents are preliminar and that we would like to deepen the single issues. It would be interesting, as you suggested, to include a part focused on the economic value of not-profit initiatives and activities on the Internet. We are collecting support from other organizations and authoritative people, they are as well working on the draft. I attach the draft of the Open Letter. Best, Irene Team Agorà Digitale 2011/9/26 michael gurstein I recently had the opportunity to attend a "technical/expert" Workshop in part a followup to the eG8 meeting discussing "measuring the Internet Economy"... In light of the below, my blogpost commenting on the Workshop might be of interest and also give an indication of why among many other reasons it is important that civil society be a part of these events and point to the impact that the absence of CS can have both from the CS and the broader perspective. http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/measuring-the-unmeasurable-internet -and-why-it-matters/ "perhaps of greatest significance from the perspective of Civil Society and of communities is the overall absence of measurement and thus inclusion in the economic accounting of the value of the contributions provided to, through and on the Internet of various voluntary and not-for-profit initiatives and activities" Mike -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:34 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Fwd: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Important news of a follow-up to the e-G8 meeting in conjunction with next month's G20. Begin forwarded message: From: Walter van Holst Subject: [EDRi-members] Fwd: e-G20 in October Date: 26 September 2011 4:52:34 PM GMT+03:00 To: Reply-To: edri-members at mailman.edri.org -------- Original Message -------- Subject: e-G20 in October Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:37:39 +0200 From: Irene Prevedello To: board at edri.org Cc: Luca Nicotra Dear EDRi, the first attempt to endanger the freedom of the net luckily turn out into thin air. The most disappointing aspect of the e-G8 was that WE were not a part of it. WE weren't able to express our ideas. WE were kept off the closed court. The 21th of October there is going to be another e-G20 in Paris, and again there is the concrete risk that very important decisions will be taken without us been involved. We have little time, but surely the will, to avoid been excluded again. The counter-conference organized in May by "La Quadrature du Net" is, in our opinion, a good starting point for a broader collaboration between the organizations representing the civil society. Agorà Digitale strongly believes that the civil society shouldn't be left in the audience, on the contrary it should be represented at the negotiating table and perform an active role. In order to do so we should coordinate our efforts and take joint actions that put pressure on the invited with the aim of been included in this important discussion. As has happened in May, this Forum has not been advertized: there is in fact the tendency to fence the debate. However, we were able to have access to some information about the program. You will find the information at the end of the mail. . It is clear that in a one-day-meeting there is little room for an open discussion and participation: all the work, as usual, is probably been done in these days in a non-transparent environment between governments and big stakeholders. Nevertheless, we should capitalize on this opportunity, in the light of the seeming will to make the e-G20 a regular meeting. For now, our aim is double. First, bring the subject to the public attention, by organizing initiatives and sharing information: it's important to mobilize the net and the ordinary people, because only by involving different players and individuals we can became an interlocutor with which the invited must dialogue. Second, work on some requests that push for a greater transparency before and after the official e-G20 Forums. Consequently, we are asking for a bigger involvement of the representatives of the civil society, that should be invited not only at the official Forums, but at the preparation meetings as well. Considering that the event will receive the media attention, we also believe that it will be crucial to be able to organize a demonstration to be held during the Forum that can further sensitize public awareness. We have some ideas about initiatives that can be useful in sensitizing the public opinion. We are proposing a project that aims to be a productive open collaboration between different organizations that share the belief in the net neutrality and freedom. We hope that You find our project interesting and decide to take part of it. Sharing our common experiences can help us build an effective network that can achieve important results. Waiting for your response and ideas, Cordially, Irene Prevedello Agorà Digitale Team Program e-G8 (21th October 2011) There is going to be a plenary session discussing on: * Innovation: networks’ friend or foe? * How to combine the Internet business model and respect for privacy? * All against digital divides: the Internet for all. Then, a restricted session between Ministers and some entrepreneurs focusing on the topic: “What agenda for network security?” will be held. Finally, there will be a Panel-discussion pivoted around the topic: “The Public Space of the 21st century: does the Internet safeguard political democracy?”. Ministers Invited * Afrique du Sud : Radhakrishna Lutchmana PADAYACHIE, ministre des communications * Allemagne: Philipp ROSLER, Vice-chancelier, ministre de l’économie et de la technologie * Australie: Stephen CONROY, ministre des communications, du haut débit et de l’économie numérique * Brésil: Paulo BERNARDO, ministre des communications * Canada: Christian PARADIS, ministre de l’industrie * Commission européenne: Neelie KROES, Vice-présidente, commissaire chargée de l’agenda numérique * Corée du Sud: See Joong CHOI, président de la commission coréenne pour les communications * Etats-Unis: Lawrence STRICKLING, secrétaire adjoint au commerce, administrateur de la National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) * Finlande: Krista KIURU, ministre du logement et des communications * France: Eric BESSON, ministre chargé de l’industrie, de l’énergie et de l’économie numérique * Inde: Sam PITRODA, conseiller du Premier Ministre pour l’innovation et les technologies de l’information * Italie: Paolo ROMANI, ministre du développement économique * Japon: Tetsuo YAMAKAWA, ministre des affaires intérieures et des communications * Kenya: Samuel POGHISIO, ministre de l’information et des communications * Maroc: Ahmed CHAMI, ministre de l’industrie, du commerce et des nouvelles technologies * Mexique: Dionisio PEREZ-JACOME, ministre des communications et des transports * Royaume-Uni: Ed VAIZEY, ministre de la culture, des communications et des industries créatives * Russie: Igor SHCHEGOLEV, ministre des communications et des médias * Suède: Anna-Karin HATT, ministre de la technologie de l’information et des affaires régionales -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at Tue Sep 27 14:05:07 2011 From: matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at (Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann@uni-graz.at)) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:05:07 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <8D4439AF-1F20-4168-A819-60C88C4A3DF7@uni-graz.at>,<2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Dear all, here is my suggestion for formulating the critique from a human rights perspective: ******* We welcome the commitment, in para. (a) of the letter, to the Charter of the United Nations, including "respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms", but would like to caution that the reference to "respect for the diversity of history, culture and social systems of all countries" might be interpreted as diminishing the commitment of the UNGA to the universality of human rights. We further applaud international efforts to combat online crime and curtail online terrorist activities, as states would pledge under para. (c) of the proposal. However, we would like to draw the attention of the General Assembly to the broad language that provides for cooperation in "curbing the dissemination of information that incites terrorism, secessionism or extremism or that undermines other countries’ political, economic and social stability, as well as their spiritual and cultural environment". These references can be easily interpreted by governments as allowing them to severely limit within their countries the right to freedom of expression, as laid down in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. ***** I would also change the order of the two paragraphs of our letter, so that our reference to para. d comes before g. Kind regards Matthias ________________________________________ Von: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. September 2011 16:28 An: Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at); governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: AW: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA good idea w ________________________________ Von: Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at) [mailto:matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at] Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 16:23 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA Hi I was just wondering whether we shouldn't also include a reference to human rights and their protection, which are endangered by the very vague para c. Kind regards Matthias Am 27.09.2011 um 17:16 schrieb "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > We could change this sentence as follows: > > Old: > While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" > > New: > While we share a number of visions as that it is of great significance that Internet security "should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual resperct".... > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von parminder > Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 15:33 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] CS letter to UNGA > > > I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to give detailed comments right now. parminder > > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > > Hi > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, enhancements are welcome. > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > Wolfgang > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > Dear Mr. President, > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our concerns. > > > > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet security and for further cooperation at the national and international levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the evolution and use of the Internet." > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all stakeholders, including civil society. > > > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements of society, including its information and communication partnerships with the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a culture of information security and the protection of critical information infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 14:50:50 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:20:50 +0530 Subject: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <8D4439AF-1F20-4168-A819-60C88C4A3DF7@uni-graz.at> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Dear Wolfgang, Matthias, 2011/9/27 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > good idea > # There is a problem. The draft resolution is already an indication that Governments could use the "rights-based" approach to their advantage: # The document refers to "Sovereign rights of states" "which have rights and responsibilities for international, internet related public policy issues" "The purpose and scope of this document is to identify the rights and responsibilities of States in information space" "(c) to reaffirm all the rights and responsibilities of States to protect" # The letter could include a passage on rights, but the unintended outcome would be that of this becoming an argument on Sovereign Rights Vs the Rights of the common man which would be rather difficult to resolve and distract this initiative away from its essence of a protest against the language towards multi-lateralism. Sivasubramanian M > > w > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Kettemann, Matthias (matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at) [mailto: > matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at] > Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 16:23 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Kleinwächter, Wolfgang > Betreff: Re: AW: [governance] CS letter to UNGA > > > > Hi > > I was just wondering whether we shouldn't also include a reference to human > rights and their protection, which are endangered by the very vague para c. > > Kind regards > > Matthias > > Am 27.09.2011 um 17:16 schrieb "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < > wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>: > > > We could change this sentence as follows: > > > > Old: > > While we share a number of visions as that "it is of great significance > that the common challenges in the sphere of information security should be > dealt with through international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual > respect" > > > > New: > > While we share a number of visions as that it is of great significance > that Internet security "should be dealt with through international > cooperation and in the spirit of mutual resperct".... > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von parminder > > Gesendet: Di 27.09.2011 15:33 > > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > Betreff: Re: [governance] CS letter to UNGA > > > > > > I request time time till tomorrow to give my comments. I dont agree to > our endorsing their concept of 'information security' but dont have time to > give detailed comments right now. parminder > > > > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 05:59 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > here is a very first draft of the letter. Additions,m changeas, > enhancements are welcome. > > > > And lets start to invite other NGOs / CS Orgs to join. > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > Nairobi, September 29, 2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kul Gutam, President of the 66th UN General Assembly > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. President, > > > > > > > > on behalf of a group of non-governmental and civil society > organizations assembled in Nairobi for the 6th Internet Governance Forum > (IGF), we want to draw your attention to an issue which has raised our > concerns. > > > > > > > > Four member states of the UN have proposed under Item 93 of the > provisional agenda of the 66th UN General Assembly an "International Code of > Conduct for Information Security" (A66/356). While we share a number of > visions as that "it is of great significance that the common challenges in > the sphere of information security should be dealt with through > international cooperation and in the spirit of mutual respect" and > "highlighting the importance of the security, continuity and stability of > the Internet and the need to protect the Internet and other information and > communications technology networks from threats and vulnerabilities, and > reaffirming the need for a common understanding of the issues of Internet > security and for further cooperation at the national and international > levels", we have concerns in particular with two paragraphs of the proposed > code of conduct which touch key issues of Internet Governance. > > > > > > > > The Tunis agenda, adopted by Heads of UN member states at the 2nd > phase of the World Summit on the Information Society has defined Internet > Governance as "the development and application by Governments, the private > sector and civil society, in their respective roles, of shared principles, > norms, rules, decision-making procedures, and programmes that shape the > evolution and use of the Internet." > > > > > > > > What we miss in the proposed code of conduct is any reference to the > multistakeholder approach and the role of civil society in strengthening the > security and stability of the Internet as proposed by the Code of Conduct. > > > > > > > > In Paragraph .g of the proposed code, the need is underlined to > establish "a multilateral, transparent and democratic Internet management > system to ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access > for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning of the Internet." While > we agree with the general idea we believe that a stable and secure > functioning of the Internet can be reached only by involving all > stakeholders, including civil society. > > > > > > > > In Paragraph .d it is proposed that states should "lead all elements > of society, including its information and communication partnerships with > the private sector, to understand their roles and responsibilities with > regard to information security, in order to facilitate the creation of a > culture of information security and the protection of critical information > infrastructure." Our concern is that this excludes civil society which plays > an important role in the creation of a culture of information security. > > > > > > > > We express our hope that the UN committee which will deal with the > proposed document will take into consideration our concerns. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The draft resolution is already an indication that > Governments could use the "rights-based" approach to their advantage: > > # The document refers to "Sovereign rights of states" "which have rights > and responsibilities for international, internet related public policy > issues" > > "The purpose and scope of this document is to identify the rights and > responsibilities of States in information space" > > "(c) to reaffirm all the rights and responsibilities of States to protect" > > # The letter could include a passage on rights, but the unintended outcome > would be that of this becoming an argument on Sovereign Rights Vs the Rights > of the common man which would be rather difficult to resolve and distract > this initiative away from its essence of a protest against the language > towards multi-lateralism. > > Sivasubramanian M > > We should absolutely raise a stink about multilateralism. My issue with the letter is that we seem to let them set the agenda. What is important about the Internet is not that it is a "bad neighboorhood" but the possibilities of innovation that stems from the openness inherent in the architecture. In other words, we shouldn't let them use the "hook" of cybersecurity to get their grubby inter-governmental hands on the Internet, which belongs to all. We should tell them (politely of course) to sod off. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Izumi and I will try to find some time tomorrow with Wolfgang to try to incorporate the changes and then post final text back here. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sep 27, 2011 10:52 PM, "Jeremy Malcolm" wrote: > Thanks all for the good comments… however if you haven't already done so, to help us finalise this statement, please provide specific language changes where possible. Izumi and I will try to find some time tomorrow with Wolfgang to try to incorporate the changes and then post final text back here. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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We are very pleased about this... it is an important step forward for us in terms of access to information. It also coincided for those of us from South Africa, with the ruling party withdrawing a new 'Secrecy' bill which would have severely undermined freedom of information and transparency. The statement of the platform is attached, and you can read more about it on the website. It mentions the IGF: ."..Aware that the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) brought to the forefront the importance of access to information in the modern world through the Geneva Declaration of Principles and Tunis Commitment and that the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) plays a crucial role in bringing together all of the stakeholders to facilitate an international internet governance debate that includes issues of access and openness;" The principles on access to information are very solid.. not internet specific, but clearly applies to the online environment. www.pacaia.org Anriette Esterhuysen APC ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards On 27 September 2011 17:22, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > In the plenary room here at IGF, I was told that CSTD WG got the new Chair > and the first meeting will be likely to be on Oct 31 in Geneva, subject to > confirmation. > > izumi > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- Asif Kabani Email: kabani.asif at gmail.com “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Afonso) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 04:28:09 -0300 Subject: [governance] CS letter to UNGA In-Reply-To: References: <45084da9ff280e3e58ece584e3938bc9@xs4all.nl> <1C81086F-BDE2-4055-B982-3FD555C72679@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C597@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <4E81D098.5000102@itforchange.net> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59D@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <8D4439AF-1F20-4168-A819-60C88C4A3DF7@uni-graz.at> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C59F@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E82CC89.2090701@cafonso.ca> +1! --c.a. On 09/27/2011 05:25 PM, McTim wrote: > Dear UN > > You arent seriously going to take advice on cybersecurity from the chinese > are you? > > Xoxo, csigc > > Why do we have an accelerated timeline anyway? > > On Sep 27, 2011 10:52 PM, "Jeremy Malcolm" wrote: >> Thanks all for the good comments… however if you haven't already done so, > to help us finalise this statement, please provide specific language changes > where possible. Izumi and I will try to find some time tomorrow with > Wolfgang to try to incorporate the changes and then post final text back > here. >> >> -- >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ggithaiga at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 03:43:22 2011 From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:43:22 +0000 Subject: [governance] CSO Statement @IGF Message-ID: Good people I hope you are all keeping well. Please find below the points that I used yesterday to make the speech (this was the original script). You will note that I did not say everything since we had to respect the 4 minutes and those 'traffic lights' were kinda saying 'time to finish'. Once again, thank you all for choosing me to make this statement on your behalf. And since some of you saw me, could you kindly stop me if you happen to spot me? It would be nice to put faces to names :). Have a great day. Rgds Grace STATEMENT BY GRACE GITHAIGA ON BEHALF OF CIVIL SOCIETY @IGF The theme of IGF policy improvements · In its first five years, the IGF proved itself as a discussion forum. The next five years rather than simply replicating the previous five should therefore see the evolution continue. · The IGF has the potential to be a public sphere in miniature for the Internet, where otherwise disenfranchised voices can have a real impact in shaping policy decisions taken elsewhere. · It should therefore provide itself up to the task of offering concrete and useful inputs into the policy development processes of various institutions involved in IG issues. · In most other fora, the influence of the economically powerful, such as the entertainment and pharmaceutical industries, can cloud policy-makers' view of the broader public interest. · The IGF does not suffer from that same limitation, to the extent that all participants have equal status. But we must continue to improve the IGF's accessibility, including through online means. · There is need for revision of the Multi Stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) members of the IGF. The previous members were given a one year extension of their MAG membership. However, the status has changed and with the passage of time, revision and expansion of the memberships is required. · Appreciate the ongoing work for inclusion through remote participation, and support for continuing development of multistakeholderism as a model for other global policy processes. · We underscore the importance of regional IGFs and their results · Recognise the need for meetings and capacity building in other languages. The role of civil society · The involvement of civil society adds democratic legitimacy to Internet governance processes, by presenting often overlooked perspectives, including those that transcend national borders. There is need therefore to provide Civil Societies equal opportunity and privileges in this process. · There is need to offer Fellowships and Travel Support program for persons from Developing Countries to participate in IGF Meetings. · Formal letters of invitation go from the UN IG Secretariat to the UN Points of Presence (Pop), EU PoPs and other intergovernmental organisations and international organisations in the Pacific to get them involved in the remote Hubs and encourage support through the creation of multiple Hubs. · In terms of the Kenyan perspective CS usually comes together for example through kictanet (first online and then face to face if necessary) to give input on policy and in areas that the government is focusing on in terms of enabling environment. This has resulted in innovation and in growth of business and for example Kenya is a world leader in mobile money, lots of mobile app (and mobile app labs) development, thriving social entrepreneurship in the tech space, etc. It has also resulted in concrete policy contributions from stakeholders which has created better understanding of concerns and less conflicts. Conclusion You all remember the big earthquake and Tsunami that hit East Japan earlier this year, after the big earthquake in Christchurch in NZ. In both cases, Internet was used to help mitigate the burden, and though it did not help save many lives directly, it helped people find and share the kind of information they needed badly. Some of the services developed in Kenya, Ushahidi, and elsewhere, Sahana, carried over to other disasters. Twitter was used to a certain degree to share the critical information as well. Most relief works are done in muliti-stakeholder modality. But there is room for improvement on use of Internet and ICT in natural and man-made severe disasters. However, it important to note that it is people, and NOT the technology that really work during the severe period. CSOs, we are happy to see the word "catalyst" in the theme, with its indication that the Internet is NOT the thing itself. The people are the "thing itself". Civil society is key in democratic governance. It is therefore important that CS has equal participation in building an internet of the future. The current multistakeholder model that provides for a non threatening environment for robust discussions to take place is simply excellent. The multistakeholder model provides an avenue for powerful collaboration and robust discussions where we can argue about issues and yet walk away and share a cup of tea. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bdelachapelle at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 04:16:38 2011 From: bdelachapelle at gmail.com (Bertrand de La Chapelle) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:16:38 +0200 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on IGF Improvement - Oct 31, likely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Izumi, hi all, The newly designated Chair of the CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements is Peter Major, from Hungary. He is based at the permanent mission of Hungary in Geneva and is present at the IGF here in Nairobi. He has been designated very recently and explicitly allowed me to share this announcement on the list. It would be interesting to invite him to one of the IGC organized workshops. Best Bertrand On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Hi, > In the plenary room here at IGF, I was told that CSTD WG got the new Chair > and the first meeting will be likely to be on Oct 31 in Geneva, subject to > confirmation. > > izumi > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > -- ____________________ Bertrand de La Chapelle Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32 "Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de Saint Exupéry ("there is no greater mission for humans than uniting humans") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 04:26:23 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 01:26:23 -0700 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? Message-ID: An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been advocating here in Canada for a number of years. M -----Original Message----- From: futurework-bounces at lists.uwaterloo.ca [mailto:futurework-bounces at lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:34 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'; stuff-it at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: Re: [Futurework] McKinsey Quarterly article: Measuring thevalue ofsearch COLUMN: Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? By Ottawa Business Journal Staff Sun, Dec 29, 2002 11:00 PM EST At a rough guess, the public sector needs another $20 billion a year to meet the pressing needs of health, education and defence, and to renew the crumbling infrastructure that carries our traffic, carries off our sewage, delivers our water and provides many other essential services. Maybe $30 billion. A lot, anyway. Where's it going to come from? Increased income tax? This isn't a very desirable option, either for the taxpayer or for the economy, which has to maintain some semblance of equilibrium with low tax competitors, such as the United States of Affluence. A jump in GST from seven per cent to double digits? Not a big favourite among politicians, who would find themselves en masse back in the private sector the first election following such a move. There's no painless way to raise the needed funds. Or is there? One way that has the advantage of being scarcely visible has been suggested by my friend Arthur Cordell, an advisor to Industry Canada and originator many years thence of the "conserver society" tagline, precursor to "sustainable development." His more recent contribution to socio-economic discourse has been the notion of the "bit tax." "The new wealth of nations," Arthur points out, "is found in the trillions of digital bits of information pulsing through global networks. These are the physical/electronic manifestations of the many transactions, conversations, voice and video messages and programs that taken together record the process of production, distribution and consumption in the new economy." If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, asks Arthur? "Whether the digital bit is part of a foreign exchange transaction, or a business teleconference, check clearance information, or an ATM transaction, each bit is a physical manifestation of the new economy at work. So let's imagine a 'bit tax.' Automatically metered, it will cause fewer collection problems than most other direct or indirect taxes. Collected by the telecom carriers, satellite networks and cable systems, revenues would flow directly to the revenue service of the respective country." There are a lot of questions to be answered, of course. Is a bit tax progressive or regressive? Will it be absorbed by the carriers or passed on to consumers? Should lower rates apply to some heavy traffic items such as digital movies downloaded to the home? Can one nation bring in a bit tax or does it require international collaboration? The design of the Internet makes it impossible to determine where someone making an electronic purchase is located. With a typical mail-order purchase, the product is shipped somewhere. But if the information is downloaded from an Internet site, the seller may have no idea of its destination. And where does the merchant reside? Where he or she actually has an office or where the computer server is? It would seem that international cooperation will be essential to collecting and distributing a bit tax, which should give considerable comfort to the vanguard of the world government movement. As Arthur says, "The point is to begin a discussion on the sort of new taxes appropriate for a new economy. A bit tax can lead to the monetization of all productivity. One result: economic growth numbers will more accurately reflect the productivity advances brought by information technologies. With monetization will come higher gross domestic product and higher revenues to be used in a variety of ways. "New revenues can be used for schools, parks, health care, to re-train some for new jobs and, for those who cannot be retrained to provide a continuing flow of income that allows displaced workers to maintain their dignity - and purchasing power - in the new economy. This last point is important since purchasing power is needed to maintain effective demand in our economies if we are to avoid chronic economic recessions or worse. "The bit tax may be one way to more fully distribute the benefits of the new economy. One way for the productive power of information technology to bring with it a New Wealth of Nations." From: futurework-bounces at lists.uwaterloo.ca [mailto:futurework-bounces at lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of michael gurstein Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:09 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION'; stuff-it at vancouvercommunity.net Subject: [Futurework] McKinsey Quarterly article: Measuring the value ofsearch Measuring the value of Internet search Although the word "Google" has evolved from the name of an Internet search company into a verb understood almost everywhere on Earth, the economic value of Web searches has long remained a mystery, approached through inexact or tainted metrics such as the number of searches undertaken or ad revenues reported by search companies themselves. A new McKinsey study takes a wider view. 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He is based at the permanent mission of Hungary in Geneva and is present at the IGF here in Nairobi. > > He has been designated very recently and explicitly allowed me to share this announcement on the list. > > It would be interesting to invite him to one of the IGC organized workshops. Indeed he will be a panelist at tomorrow's "Reflections on the Indian Proposal towards an IGF 2.0" at 9am. All the more reason for everyone who cares about IGF improvement to attend. Thanks for the news Bertrand. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iza at anr.org Wed Sep 28 04:37:23 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:37:23 +0900 Subject: [governance] CSTD WG on IGF Improvement - Oct 31, likely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bertrand for making it clearer, which I was bit hesitant to. Anyway, let's welcome Peter for tomorrow morning session. izumi 2011/9/28 Bertrand de La Chapelle > Hi Izumi, hi all, > > The newly designated Chair of the CSTD Working Group on IGF improvements is > Peter Major, from Hungary. He is based at the permanent mission of Hungary > in Geneva and is present at the IGF here in Nairobi. > > He has been designated very recently and explicitly allowed me to share > this announcement on the list. > > It would be interesting to invite him to one of the IGC organized > workshops. > > Best > > Bertrand > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Wed Sep 28 05:00:16 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:00:16 +0300 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: > An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been > advocating here in Canada for a number of years. > M [...] > If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow > the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline > tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, > asks Arthur? This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the 'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved absurd. Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic between your mobile phone and your laptop? Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much (and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) bandwidth in wireless networks. Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Afonso) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 06:23:43 -0300 Subject: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations Message-ID: <4E82E79F.1030504@cafonso.ca> Dear people, Regarding the recent recommendations (attached as PDF) produced by the governments of India, Brazil and South Africa in the context of the IBSA initiative (www.ibsa-trilateral.org) and as a consequence of a meeting on Internet Governance held by IBSA in Rio de Janeiro on Sept.02, 2011, Instituto Nupef has the following comments: The document is presented as the result of an IBSA Multistakeholder meeting and all over the document the meeting is presented as the subject who puts forward the recommendations. We must clarify that there was no such multistakeholder meeting – Nupef was invited to participate in the IBSA seminar as a Brazilian NGO which has views and experiences to share on the issues of Internet Governance. Nupef has never expected that a document would be produced after the meeting, there was no deliberation on concrete outcomes and no process that would lead to a production of a final document endorsed by those who were present. In our point of view, this subject in the text that presents the proposal - “the meeting” - doesn't exist; Nupef is against the creation of a new body “located within the UN system” dedicated to undertake the roles described in the IBSA recommendations; Nupef doesn't see how such body could “integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the Internet, including global standards setting;” and why this would be necessary; Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only in its content but also in the process of its further development, including a wider range of civil society voices in an open, participatory and transparent process; Nupef agrees that close collaboration and concrete action is needed in the field of Internet Governance and strongly suggests that existing dialogue spaces for civil society, government and private sector - such as the CGI.br - and existing communications spaces and structures - such as e-mail lists and foras that have been hosting this kind of collaborative reflection and action for several years - be the space for this exchange and deliberation. Nairobi, 28-Sept-2011 Graciela Selaimen Carlos A. Afonso (c.a.) Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil www.nupef.org.br ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to everyone for your comments and support so far, and apologies if your suggestions aren't perfectly reflected in the final text. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Afonso Gesendet: Mi 28.09.2011 11:23 An: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus Betreff: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations Dear people, Regarding the recent recommendations (attached as PDF) produced by the governments of India, Brazil and South Africa in the context of the IBSA initiative (www.ibsa-trilateral.org) and as a consequence of a meeting on Internet Governance held by IBSA in Rio de Janeiro on Sept.02, 2011, Instituto Nupef has the following comments: The document is presented as the result of an IBSA Multistakeholder meeting and all over the document the meeting is presented as the subject who puts forward the recommendations. We must clarify that there was no such multistakeholder meeting - Nupef was invited to participate in the IBSA seminar as a Brazilian NGO which has views and experiences to share on the issues of Internet Governance. Nupef has never expected that a document would be produced after the meeting, there was no deliberation on concrete outcomes and no process that would lead to a production of a final document endorsed by those who were present. In our point of view, this subject in the text that presents the proposal - "the meeting" - doesn't exist; Nupef is against the creation of a new body "located within the UN system" dedicated to undertake the roles described in the IBSA recommendations; Nupef doesn't see how such body could "integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the Internet, including global standards setting;" and why this would be necessary; Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only in its content but also in the process of its further development, including a wider range of civil society voices in an open, participatory and transparent process; Nupef agrees that close collaboration and concrete action is needed in the field of Internet Governance and strongly suggests that existing dialogue spaces for civil society, government and private sector - such as the CGI.br - and existing communications spaces and structures - such as e-mail lists and foras that have been hosting this kind of collaborative reflection and action for several years - be the space for this exchange and deliberation. Nairobi, 28-Sept-2011 Graciela Selaimen Carlos A. Afonso (c.a.) Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil www.nupef.org.br ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mallory at mayfirst.org Wed Sep 28 08:09:34 2011 From: mallory at mayfirst.org (Mallory Knodel) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:09:34 -0400 Subject: [governance] Re: Final text of open letter on International Code of Conduct for Information Security In-Reply-To: <0C24B0A9-166B-4FEC-BA86-4ECEA9B60D4B@ciroap.org> References: <0C24B0A9-166B-4FEC-BA86-4ECEA9B60D4B@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <20110928080934.15562tcvaizpzs84@webmail.mayfirst.org> Thanks everyone for a great effort. May First/People Link fully endorses this and would like to add our signature. Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you hold a press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground mobilization in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? Thanks, -Mallory Quoting Jeremy Malcolm : > The final text of the open letter has been settled by a group of us > in Nairobi and is now at this address: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/infosecurity-code > > In order for it to be received in time for debate on this proposal > in the General Assembly, we will be sending and publicising this at > 17:00 today. Apologies once again for the short notice. > > Between now and then, we are accepting signatures from other > organisations not already listed on that page. As I receive them, I > will add them to the list of signatories. Additional signatures can > still be received after the open letter is sent. > > Thanks to everyone for your comments and support so far, and > apologies if your suggestions aren't perfectly reflected in the > final text. > > -- > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala > Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer > groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only > independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over > 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a > powerful international movement to help protect and empower > consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > > -- Mallory Knodel May First/People Link Leadership ...Growing Networks to Build a Just World... mayfirst.org malloryknodel.net/blog ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Wed Sep 28 08:29:54 2011 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:29:54 -0400 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? In-Reply-To: <4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> References: ,<4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> I have to agree with Daniel, this has been talked about forever and is just...as Spock would say, not logical. There is no shortage of bits, there is no government allocation of bits, there is no public bit resource. Which is not to say, as was said in the early days of the net ' a bit is a bit.' All bits are not created equal, and some are worth way more than others. Eg, bits helping Warren Buffett keep track of his money are worth more than ones..tracking my debts ; ) Since some bits - in transit -do cross public rights of way, or otherwise use public resources like spectrum, there are - taxable - nodes/transit points out there. But a generalized tax on digital 'traffic' would mean for example that digital tv would be taxed out of existence, since hdtv hogs - bits. OK, assuming we kill hdtv, then we are left with all those Youtube videos which are also - wasting scarce bits? Or just enabling us to waste our time? Ok, maybe those are not the worst outcome imaginable, but still... Lee ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev [daniel at digsys.bg] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:00 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein Cc: 'Economics of IP Networks' Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been advocating here in Canada for a number of years. M [...] If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, asks Arthur? This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the 'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved absurd. Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic between your mobile phone and your laptop? Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much (and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) bandwidth in wireless networks. Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... Daniel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed Sep 28 08:37:20 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:37:20 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] Final text of open letter on International Code of Conduct for Information Security References: <0C24B0A9-166B-4FEC-BA86-4ECEA9B60D4B@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5AF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi as an additional background documention read the Chinese governments response to the NTIA/IANA call. There is no response from the Russian government. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/miitcomments_on_iana_functions.pdf Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Jeremy Malcolm Gesendet: Mi 28.09.2011 13:41 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: [governance] Final text of open letter on International Code of Conduct for Information Security The final text of the open letter has been settled by a group of us in Nairobi and is now at this address: http://www.igcaucus.org/infosecurity-code In order for it to be received in time for debate on this proposal in the General Assembly, we will be sending and publicising this at 17:00 today. Apologies once again for the short notice. Between now and then, we are accepting signatures from other organisations not already listed on that page. As I receive them, I will add them to the list of signatories. Additional signatures can still be received after the open letter is sent. Thanks to everyone for your comments and support so far, and apologies if your suggestions aren't perfectly reflected in the final text. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational..org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed Sep 28 09:01:24 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:01:24 +0300 Subject: [governance] Closing session civil society statement In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5AA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4E82E79F.1030504@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5AA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <00F020CD-A0AC-4F4F-9192-819EE926E7C0@ciroap.org> On 28/09/2011, at 2:50 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > Thanks for this clarification. > > This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way. Referring back to the minutes of the IGC meeting, Wolfgang had suggested at that meeting that this should be a topic of our closing session speech, and that we should call for the IGF to adopt as its mission between now and the 2015 meeting to generate a truly multi-stakeholder statement of Internet governance principles. We should now discuss that more. I propose that in general terms we should talk in the closing session speech about how the various statements of principles that individual stakeholders are putting forward are good, because it shows that stakeholders are thinking about soft governance of the Internet rather than hard law. Some stakeholders are even bringing their statements of principles back to the IGF to be discussed in workshops. This is also good, since the IGF is the perfect place for such discussion. But continuing this process, the next step will be for the IGF at large to progress towards consensus on common principles, and we call for the IGF to do this not merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving all participants, and taking advantage of the improvements to its processes that we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose. Amongst these improvements, we hope, will be a process to better involve remote participants, particularly from the global South, in the development of the principles. As civil society's input into this process, we intend to prepare our own set of principles in an open and transparent fashion before the date of the next G20 meeting, and to formally launch them at the 2012 IGF. If such a set of common principles can emerge from the IGF before 2015, this accomplishment will imbue them with a status and legitimacy that none of the individual statements of principles - G8, CoE, EU, etc - could ever achieve. Please provide your comments on the above. Mallory Knodel wrote: > Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you hold a press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground mobilization in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? No plans for a press conference, but we can (see above) mention it in our closing session speech at the IGF. I would have liked Izumi to deliver the closing address but he will be leaving Nairobi too early, and has asked me to do so. But if anyone else wishes to deliver it, or has another name to put forward, please let me know. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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Can we add to this an encouragement to remote participants to involve themselves? In previous years it was the facilitation of remote participation that needed building up. Now we need to remind remote participants that the mechanisms are in place for them, so they should use them. Deirdre On 28 September 2011 09:01, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 28/09/2011, at 2:50 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > > Thanks for this clarification. > > This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet > Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent > manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way. > > > > Referring back to the minutes of the IGC meeting, Wolfgang had suggested at > that meeting that this should be a topic of our closing session speech, and > that we should call for the IGF to adopt as its mission between now and the > 2015 meeting to generate a truly multi-stakeholder statement of Internet > governance principles. We should now discuss that more. > > I propose that in general terms we should talk in the closing session > speech about how the various statements of principles that individual > stakeholders are putting forward are good, because it shows that > stakeholders are thinking about soft governance of the Internet rather than > hard law. Some stakeholders are even bringing their statements of > principles back to the IGF to be discussed in workshops. This is also good, > since the IGF is the perfect place for such discussion. But continuing this > process, the next step will be for the IGF at large to progress towards > consensus on common principles, and we call for the IGF to do this not > merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving > all participants, and taking advantage of the improvements to its processes > that we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose. Amongst these > improvements, we hope, will be a process to better involve remote > participants, particularly from the global South, in the development of the > principles. As civil society's input into this process, we intend to > prepare our own set of principles in an open and transparent fashion before > the date of the next G20 meeting, and to formally launch them at the 2012 > IGF. If such a set of common principles can emerge from the IGF before 2015, > this accomplishment will imbue them with a status and legitimacy that none > of the individual statements of principles - G8, CoE, EU, etc - could ever > achieve. > > Please provide your comments on the above. > > Mallory Knodel wrote: > > Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you hold a > press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground mobilization > in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? > > > No plans for a press conference, but we can (see above) mention it in our > closing session speech at the IGF. > > I would have liked Izumi to deliver the closing address but he will be > leaving Nairobi too early, and has asked me to do so. But if anyone else > wishes to deliver it, or has another name to put forward, please let me > know. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Sep 28 09:21:14 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:51:14 +0530 Subject: [governance] Closing session civil society statement In-Reply-To: <00F020CD-A0AC-4F4F-9192-819EE926E7C0@ciroap.org> References: <4E82E79F.1030504@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5AA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <00F020CD-A0AC-4F4F-9192-819EE926E7C0@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4E831F4A.60405@itforchange.net> On Wednesday 28 September 2011 06:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 28/09/2011, at 2:50 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > >> Thanks for this clarification. >> >> This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of >> Internet Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open >> and transparent manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in >> such an intransparent way. > > Referring back to the minutes of the IGC meeting, Wolfgang had > suggested at that meeting that this should be a topic of our closing > session speech, and that we should call for the IGF to adopt as its > mission between now and the 2015 meeting to generate a truly > multi-stakeholder statement of Internet governance principles. We > should now discuss that more. Strongly agree.... > > I propose that in general terms we should talk in the closing session > speech about how the various statements of principles that individual > stakeholders are putting forward are good, because it shows that > stakeholders are thinking about soft governance of the Internet rather > than hard law. Some stakeholders are even bringing their statements > of principles back to the IGF to be discussed in workshops. This is > also good, since the IGF is the perfect place for such discussion. > But continuing this process, the next step will be for the IGF at > large to progress towards consensus on common principles, and we call > for the IGF to do this not merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, > but as a plenary body, involving all participants, and taking > advantage of the improvements to its processes that we expect the CSTD > Working Group will propose. Amongst these improvements, we hope, will > be a process to better involve remote participants, particularly from > the global South, in the development of the principles. As civil > society's input into this process, we intend to prepare our own set of > principles in an open and transparent fashion before the date of the > next G20 meeting, and to formally launch them at the 2012 IGF. If such > a set of common principles can emerge from the IGF before 2015, this > accomplishment will imbue them with a status and legitimacy that none > of the individual statements of principles - G8, CoE, EU, etc - could > ever achieve. > > Please provide your comments on the above. > > Mallory Knodel wrote: > >> Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you >> hold a press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground >> mobilization in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? > > No plans for a press conference, but we can (see above) mention it in > our closing session speech at the IGF. > > I would have liked Izumi to deliver the closing address but he will be > leaving Nairobi too early, and has asked me to do so. But if anyone > else wishes to deliver it, or has another name to put forward, please > let me know. > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer > groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only > independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over > 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful > international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. > _www.consumersinternational.org _ > _Twitter @ConsumersInt _ > > Read our email confidentiality notice > . Don't > print this email unless necessary. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From parminder at itforchange.net Wed Sep 28 09:46:41 2011 From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:16:41 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations Message-ID: <4E832541.1030100@itforchange.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 06:23:43 -0300 From: Carlos A. Afonso Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" To: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus Dear people, Regarding the recent recommendations (attached as PDF) produced by the governments of India, Brazil and South Africa in the context of the IBSA initiative (www.ibsa-trilateral.org) and as a consequence of a meeting on Internet Governance held by IBSA in Rio de Janeiro on Sept.02, 2011, Instituto Nupef has the following comments: The document is presented as the result of an IBSA Multistakeholder meeting and all over the document the meeting is presented as the subject who puts forward the recommendations. AGREE THAT THE DOCUMENT IS FRAMED WRONGLY IN THE ABOVE REGARD. IT IS A SET OF INTER-GOC RECS FOR THE PURPOSE OF FEEDING INTO A INTER-GOV PROCESS (IBSA) DRAFTED BY AN INTERGOV MEETING WHICH FOLLOWED A MULTISTAKEHOLDER MEETING ON GLOBAL INTERNET GOVERNANCE, BOTH SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES FOR GLOBAL IG AND INSTITUTIONAL ISSUES AND GAPS IN GLOBAL IG SPACE WERE DISCUSSED IN THE PRECEDING OPEN MEETING. THIS INCLUDES CREATION OF A POSSIBLE NEW BODY AND ITS FUNCTIONS. WILL RESPOND TO OTHER POINT IN CARLOS' EMAIL A LITTLE LATER. PARMINDER We must clarify that there was no such multistakeholder meeting – Nupef was invited to participate in the IBSA seminar as a Brazilian NGO which has views and experiences to share on the issues of Internet Governance. Nupef has never expected that a document would be produced after the meeting, there was no deliberation on concrete outcomes and no process that would lead to a production of a final document endorsed by those who were present. In our point of view, this subject in the text that presents the proposal - “the meeting” - doesn't exist; Nupef is against the creation of a new body “located within the UN system” dedicated to undertake the roles described in the IBSA recommendations; Nupef doesn't see how such body could “integrate and oversee the bodies responsible for technical and operational functioning of the Internet, including global standards setting;” and why this would be necessary; Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only in its content but also in the process of its further development, including a wider range of civil society voices in an open, participatory and transparent process; Nupef agrees that close collaboration and concrete action is needed in the field of Internet Governance and strongly suggests that existing dialogue spaces for civil society, government and private sector - such as the CGI.br - and existing communications spaces and structures - such as e-mail lists and foras that have been hosting this kind of collaborative reflection and action for several years - be the space for this exchange and deliberation. Nairobi, 28-Sept-2011 Graciela Selaimen Carlos A. Afonso (c.a.) Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil www.nupef.org.br ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I said on my post about the seminar, already reproduced here on the list, "The government representatives of IBSA drafted a set of recommendations, with focus on institutional improvement. The document will be forwarded to the next IBSA summit, in South Africa". The set of recommendations were drafted by government representatives of IBSA after the seminar, as as can be seen on the program . On the last panel, about institutional arrangements, issues such as a global policy making gap and the possibility of the creation of a new body have been raised during the seminar, as a brainstorming, and there was not a document emerging from it. The language of the document put forth by IBSA was unfortunate, on the sense that it gives reason to believe that the points governments raised have somehow been endorsed by other actors. Civil society from Brazil has engaged on conversation with the Brazilian government, that made a commitment to clarify that the document has an intergovernmental nature Now, as someone who worked on the organization of the seminar itself, I also feel the need to clarify its dynamics. The seminar took place in FGV premises (an academic institution) and the meeting was open to anybody who would like to participate. Online registration was the only requirement (so we could program coffee breake, etc). But people could register on the spot as well. In spite of the fact of the tight schedule (funding was only secured 1 month and a half before), a set of people from all stakeholder groups were contacted by phone and mail, and we asked them to replicate the invitation. Civil society organizations that work with broadband even agreed to postpone an act that was being organized on the same date, so there would be no clashing what would allow more participation. So, even though outreach was imperfect and that some people that were invited could not attend, I think it is important to stress that the discussion of substantive issues and institutional processes were done in an open manner, and it is my personal understanding that there was a frank dialogue between governments and non-gov actors during the sessions, including the one about institutional arrangements. That certainly differentiates that initiative from the dynamics that has taken place elsewhere. Secondly, the seminar should be seen as a starting point for starting formal ways of discussing the topic, and I totally agree with Carlos that the best place would be CGI.br, due to its multistakeholder representative composition. Looking forward to provide any more information about the organization of the meeting, either on the list or on the corridors of the IGF. Best wishes, Marília 2011/9/28 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" < wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> > Thanks for this clarification. > > This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet > Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent > manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way. > > wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Carlos A. Afonso > Gesendet: Mi 28.09.2011 11:23 > An: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus > Betreff: [governance] Instituto Nupef on IBSA Rio recommendations > > > > Dear people, > > Regarding the recent recommendations (attached as PDF) produced by the > governments of India, Brazil and South Africa in the context of the IBSA > initiative (www.ibsa-trilateral.org) and as a consequence of a meeting > on Internet Governance held by IBSA in Rio de Janeiro on Sept.02, 2011, > Instituto Nupef has the following comments: > > The document is presented as the result of an IBSA Multistakeholder > meeting and all over the document the meeting is presented as the > subject who puts forward the recommendations. We must clarify that there > was no such multistakeholder meeting - Nupef was invited to participate > in the IBSA seminar as a Brazilian NGO which has views and experiences > to share on the issues of Internet Governance. Nupef has never expected > that a document would be produced after the meeting, there was no > deliberation on concrete outcomes and no process that would lead to a > production of a final document endorsed by those who were present. In > our point of view, this subject in the text that presents the proposal - > "the meeting" - doesn't exist; > > Nupef is against the creation of a new body "located within the UN > system" dedicated to undertake the roles described in the IBSA > recommendations; > > Nupef doesn't see how such body could "integrate and oversee the bodies > responsible for technical and operational functioning of the Internet, > including global standards setting;" and why this would be necessary; > > Nupef recognizes that the IBSA recommendations might be an interesting > starting point for a discussion if reformulated and improved, not only > in its content but also in the process of its further development, > including a wider range of civil society voices in an open, > participatory and transparent process; > > Nupef agrees that close collaboration and concrete action is needed in > the field of Internet Governance and strongly suggests that existing > dialogue spaces for civil society, government and private sector - such > as the CGI.br - and existing communications spaces and structures - such > as e-mail lists and foras that have been hosting this kind of > collaborative reflection and action for several years - be the space for > this exchange and deliberation. > > Nairobi, 28-Sept-2011 > Graciela Selaimen > Carlos A. Afonso (c.a.) > Instituto Nupef, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil > www.nupef.org.br > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From aizu at anr.org Wed Sep 28 09:52:02 2011 From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:52:02 +0900 Subject: [governance] Closing session civil society statement In-Reply-To: <00F020CD-A0AC-4F4F-9192-819EE926E7C0@ciroap.org> References: <4E82E79F.1030504@cafonso.ca> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5AA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> <00F020CD-A0AC-4F4F-9192-819EE926E7C0@ciroap.org> Message-ID: I would like to add that the CSTD Working Group will have its next meeting on Oct 31 in Geneva. So if we could produce our own "principles" by then and also propose the outcome for IGF as Jeremy suggests here, that will be a good engagement. And sorry, I have to take the flight back to Tokyo on Friday afternoon, thus missing the last session. Back to work... So I hope you all support Jeremy as our speaker. As I mentioned in our meeting on Monday, he has done great work of rebuilding our website, among others, and is just outgoing, thus he deserves this. izumi 2011/9/28 Jeremy Malcolm : > On 28/09/2011, at 2:50 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: > > Thanks for this clarification. > > This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet > Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent > manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way. > > Referring back to the minutes of the IGC meeting, Wolfgang had suggested at > that meeting that this should be a topic of our closing session speech, and > that we should call for the IGF to adopt as its mission between now and the > 2015 meeting to generate a truly multi-stakeholder statement of Internet > governance principles.  We should now discuss that more. > I propose that in general terms we should talk in the closing session speech > about how the various statements of principles that individual stakeholders > are putting forward are good, because it shows that stakeholders are > thinking about soft governance of the Internet rather than hard law.  Some > stakeholders are even bringing their statements of principles back to the > IGF to be discussed in workshops.  This is also good, since the IGF is the > perfect place for such discussion.  But continuing this process, the next > step will be for the IGF at large to progress towards consensus on common > principles, and we call for the IGF to do this not merely in a > stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving all > participants, and taking advantage of the improvements to its processes that > we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose.  Amongst these improvements, > we hope, will be a process to better involve remote participants, > particularly from the global South, in the development of the principles. >  As civil society's input into this process, we intend to prepare our own > set of principles in an open and transparent fashion before the date of the > next G20 meeting, and to formally launch them at the 2012 IGF. If such a set > of common principles can emerge from the IGF before 2015, this > accomplishment will imbue them with a status and legitimacy that none of the > individual statements of principles - G8, CoE, EU, etc - could ever achieve. > Please provide your comments on the above. > Mallory Knodel wrote: > > Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you hold a > press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground mobilization > in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? > > No plans for a press conference, but we can (see above) mention it in our > closing session speech at the IGF. > I would have liked Izumi to deliver the closing address but he will be > leaving Nairobi too early, and has asked me to do so.  But if anyone else > wishes to deliver it, or has another name to put forward, please let me > know. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Wed Sep 28 11:10:23 2011 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:10:23 -0300 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? In-Reply-To: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> References: ,<4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> I think we are talking about travelling bits instead of just bits per se? :) --c.a. On 09/28/2011 09:29 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > I have to agree with Daniel, this has been talked about forever and is just...as Spock would say, not logical. > > There is no shortage of bits, there is no government allocation of bits, there is no public bit resource. > > Which is not to say, as was said in the early days of the net ' a bit is a bit.' > > All bits are not created equal, and some are worth way more than others. > > Eg, bits helping Warren Buffett keep track of his money are worth more than ones..tracking my debts ; ) > > Since some bits - in transit -do cross public rights of way, or otherwise use public resources like spectrum, there are - taxable - nodes/transit points out there. > > But a generalized tax on digital 'traffic' would mean for example that digital tv would be taxed out of existence, since hdtv hogs - bits. > > OK, assuming we kill hdtv, then we are left with all those Youtube videos which are also - wasting scarce bits? Or just enabling us to waste our time? > > Ok, maybe those are not the worst outcome imaginable, but still... > > Lee > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev [daniel at digsys.bg] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:00 AM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein > Cc: 'Economics of IP Networks' > Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? > > On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: > An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been advocating here in Canada for a number of years. > > M > [...] > If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, asks Arthur? > > This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the 'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved absurd. > > Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic between your mobile phone and your laptop? > > Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... > > One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much (and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) bandwidth in wireless networks. > > Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. > > It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... > > Daniel > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 11:25:40 2011 From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:25:40 -0700 Subject: FW: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Cordell [mailto:denart40 at sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:22 AM To: 'michael gurstein' Subject: RE: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? Mike, I subbed to the list but it will take 24 hours before my name is activated. Meanwhile I offer the link below which should answer some of questions. http://www.arraydev.com/commerce/jibc/9702-05.htm Taxing the Internet: The Proposal for a Bit Tax From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:43 AM To: Arthur Cordell Subject: FW: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Kalchev [mailto:daniel at digsys.bg] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:00 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein Cc: 'Economics of IP Networks' Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been advocating here in Canada for a number of years. M [...] If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, asks Arthur? This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the 'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved absurd. Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic between your mobile phone and your laptop? Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much (and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) bandwidth in wireless networks. Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> References: ,<4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>,<4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE0364106731@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> So bits in motion over distances of x cm? or m? or km? Anyway, point is the 'bit' is not the taxable metric, some other legal construct is needed. Then shall we say 'a bit in transit over x distance through a public right of way or utilizing public resources such as spectrum, for which a fee is being charged?' Ok, that would leave out peer to peer traffic and tier 1 to tier 1 interconnects, which is I am sure fine by lots of Internet-centric folks. Lee ________________________________________ From: Carlos A. Afonso [ca at cafonso.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:10 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Lee W McKnight Cc: Daniel Kalchev; michael gurstein; 'Economics of IP Networks' Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? I think we are talking about travelling bits instead of just bits per se? :) --c.a. On 09/28/2011 09:29 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: > I have to agree with Daniel, this has been talked about forever and is just...as Spock would say, not logical. > > There is no shortage of bits, there is no government allocation of bits, there is no public bit resource. > > Which is not to say, as was said in the early days of the net ' a bit is a bit.' > > All bits are not created equal, and some are worth way more than others. > > Eg, bits helping Warren Buffett keep track of his money are worth more than ones..tracking my debts ; ) > > Since some bits - in transit -do cross public rights of way, or otherwise use public resources like spectrum, there are - taxable - nodes/transit points out there. > > But a generalized tax on digital 'traffic' would mean for example that digital tv would be taxed out of existence, since hdtv hogs - bits. > > OK, assuming we kill hdtv, then we are left with all those Youtube videos which are also - wasting scarce bits? Or just enabling us to waste our time? > > Ok, maybe those are not the worst outcome imaginable, but still... > > Lee > ________________________________________ > From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev [daniel at digsys.bg] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:00 AM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein > Cc: 'Economics of IP Networks' > Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? > > On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: > An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been advocating here in Canada for a number of years. > > M > [...] > If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, asks Arthur? > > This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the 'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved absurd. > > Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic between your mobile phone and your laptop? > > Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... > > One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much (and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) bandwidth in wireless networks. > > Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. > > It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... > > Daniel > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Wed Sep 28 11:50:42 2011 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:50:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? In-Reply-To: <4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> References: <4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <9Y$20qUSJ0gOFAV$@internetpolicyagency.com> In message <4E8338DF.7020708 at cafonso.ca>, at 12:10:23 on Wed, 28 Sep 2011, Carlos A. Afonso writes >I think we are talking about travelling bits instead of just bits per se? :) Probably. I've got eight terabits rotating on a hard drive here, I don't think I can afford that otherwise. And the rate in the paper might look small (1 millionth of a cent per bit), but an hour of digital TV is 350MB x 8 = 2,800 million bits, and 2,800 cents is $28! Of course, you'd have to make sure each bit wasn't inadvertently taxed twice on its journey, so we need to invent something akin to "stamp duty", where once the bit has been taxed it's marked as paid up. Doing this per byte sounds best, so you need an International Treaty to declare that every byte now has nine bits - the eight bits of data and the one "stamp duty bit" which says bit-tax has been paid. It would obviously have to be an offence against local tax law to set that bit unless you are properly authorised (otherwise you could set the bit yourself and escape the tax), but routers on national borders would reset the bit allowing each country to tax each byte as it flowed through. Roland. (Acknowledgement to rfc3514) >--c.a. > >On 09/28/2011 09:29 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote: >> I have to agree with Daniel, this has been talked about forever and >>is just...as Spock would say, not logical. >> >> There is no shortage of bits, there is no government allocation of >>bits, there is no public bit resource. >> >> Which is not to say, as was said in the early days of the net ' a bit >>is a bit.' >> >> All bits are not created equal, and some are worth way more than others. >> >> Eg, bits helping Warren Buffett keep track of his money are worth >>more than ones..tracking my debts ; ) >> >> Since some bits - in transit -do cross public rights of way, or >>otherwise use public resources like spectrum, there are - taxable - >>nodes/transit points out there. >> >> But a generalized tax on digital 'traffic' would mean for example >>that digital tv would be taxed out of existence, since hdtv hogs - bits. >> >> OK, assuming we kill hdtv, then we are left with all those Youtube >>videos which are also - wasting scarce bits? Or just enabling us to >>waste our time? >> >> Ok, maybe those are not the worst outcome imaginable, but still... >> >> Lee >> ________________________________________ >> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf >>Of Daniel Kalchev [daniel at digsys.bg] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:00 AM >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; michael gurstein >> Cc: 'Economics of IP Networks' >> Subject: Re: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? >> >> On 28.09.11 11:26, michael gurstein wrote: >> An interesting suggestion that my friend Arthur Cordell has been >>advocating here in Canada for a number of years. >> >> M >> [...] >> If there's a new economy, there should be a new tax base. To follow >>the information highway analogy, it would be similar to a gasoline >>tax, or a toll on bridges or highways. Why not tax digital traffic, >>asks Arthur? >> >> This was tried a number of times, in different forms in the >>'traditional' telecoms and with the rise of Internet it was proved >>absurd. >> >> Just who the 'carriers' are? Do we tax international traffic only? Or >>do we tax your home wireless network? What about the bluetooth traffic >>between your mobile phone and your laptop? >> >> Taxing traffic effectively means you punish the more innovative and >>growing infrastructures and encourage limiting connection speeds and >>eliminating protocols that generate excessive traffic. We went trough >>great pains for many years to just ensure the opposite... >> >> One example of already taxing traffic is the radio frequency >>allocation. You pay taxes for your allocated frequency band. While it >>is possible to use higher density encoding to pack more (data) >>bandwidth into the same frequency band, the difference is not much >>(and the cost increases dramatically) because mathematical/physical >>limits come into play. Only by introducing 'shared' and 'free for all' >>frequency bands it was possible to pack lots and lots more (data) >>bandwidth in wireless networks. >> >> Therefore, wireless and satellite links already do pay taxes for >>their bits. It is only fiber and copper lines that do not pay (yet). >>These are considered, by most regulators to not be limited resource. >> >> It is like paying a tax for the light reaching one point from another... >> >> Daniel >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed Sep 28 15:47:41 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:47:41 +0300 Subject: [governance] Azerbaijan Message-ID: This evening, Izumi and I raised civil society's concerns about the selection of Azerbaijan as the next host country for the IGF, with Thomas Steizer, Assistant Secretary-General at UN DESA, and his deputy Vyacheslav Cherkasov. They indicated to us that the human rights concerns had been raised with Azerbaijan ahead of the IGF, and that assurances had been made that the freedoms of those attending the 2012 IGF would be upheld, not only for foreign delegates but also for locals (and specifically including Armenians). The host country agreement contains specific provisions on these points. (I asked for a copy of it, but it seemed that could be a problem.) We also discussed the issue of cost. Thomas responded that he would take this issue up with the prospective hosts and ask them whether low-cost accommodation could be provided for IGF delegates. I will follow up with him by email to remind him of his commitment to do this. (Of course, this would do nothing to ease the cost of air travel.) Given our immediate lack of an alternative host country to propose, there seemed to be little we could do to avoid the selection of Azerbaijan as host country for 2012. For 2013, Indonesia has offered to host. On a sour note, someone had been spreading rumours that civil society had been planning a demonstration to protest against the selection of Azerbaijan, which I assured Chengetai (though I'm not sure whether he believed me) were baseless. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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Jean-Louis Fullsack CSDPTT > Message du 28/09/11 21:48 > De : "Jeremy Malcolm" > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org > Copie à : > Objet : [governance] Azerbaijan > > This evening, Izumi and I raised civil society's concerns about the selection of Azerbaijan as the next host country for the IGF, with Thomas Steizer, Assistant Secretary-General at UN DESA, and his deputy Vyacheslav Cherkasov.  They indicated to us that the human rights concerns had been raised with Azerbaijan ahead of the IGF, and that assurances had been made that the freedoms of those attending the 2012 IGF would be upheld, not only for foreign delegates but also for locals (and specifically including Armenians).  The host country agreement contains specific provisions on these points.  (I asked for a copy of it, but it seemed that could be a problem.) > We also discussed the issue of cost.  Thomas responded that he would take this issue up with the prospective hosts and ask them whether low-cost accommodation could be provided for IGF delegates.  I will follow up with him by email to remind him of his commitment to do this.  (Of course, this would do nothing to ease the cost of air travel.) > > Given our immediate lack of an alternative host country to propose, there seemed to be little we could do to avoid the selection of Azerbaijan as host country for 2012.  For 2013, Indonesia has offered to host. > On a sour note, someone had been spreading rumours that civil society had been planning a demonstration to protest against the selection of Azerbaijan, which I assured Chengetai (though I'm not sure whether he believed me) were baseless. > --  > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Wed Sep 28 16:43:55 2011 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:43:55 +0300 Subject: [governance] Can a bit tax bring a New Wealth of Nations? In-Reply-To: <9Y$20qUSJ0gOFAV$@internetpolicyagency.com> References: <4E82E220.5080402@digsys.bg> <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE036410672D@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> <4E8338DF.7020708@cafonso.ca> <9Y$20qUSJ0gOFAV$@internetpolicyagency.com> Message-ID: On Sep 28, 2011, at 18:50 , Roland Perry wrote: > > Of course, you'd have to make sure each bit wasn't inadvertently taxed twice on its journey, so we need to invent something akin to "stamp duty", where once the bit has been taxed it's marked as paid up. Doing this per byte sounds best, so you need an International Treaty to declare that every byte now has nine bits - the eight bits of data and the one "stamp duty bit" which says bit-tax has been paid. > That 9 bits per byte are fine, except you need space for the stamp itself. A slim (few kilobytes) digital signature of the tax authority should be attached to each byte. Setting up the customs infrastructure might incur additional bureaucratic costs as well as uncertain delays, while bytes are stopped at national borders for inspection and re-stamping. A byte (all those eight bits, indeed) that has travelled all over the globe and has collected all the national tax stamp signatures might become valuable for collectors. Daniel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Wed Sep 28 23:45:50 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 06:45:50 +0300 Subject: [governance] Azerbaijan In-Reply-To: <19167448.49566.1317241503011.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h29> References: <19167448.49566.1317241503011.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h29> Message-ID: On 28/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote: > > What a nice and gentle CS ! In exchange of a "low cost IGF" they will keep their eyes wide shut on HR in the "host" country and even put away their banners. Actually we were quite forceful in our discussion, but we were unable to reverse the decision without offering an alternative. No other country was willing to host for next year (yes I know there were discussions about France, but, I checked, these had not borne fruit in time). As for putting away the banners, there were never plans for a demonstration, but if there had been, the demonstrators would have been arrested and not allowed to re-enter the IGF venue this year. On balance that would have been counterproductive. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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Joy From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of parminder Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 4:21 p.m. To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] Closing session civil society statement On Wednesday 28 September 2011 06:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: On 28/09/2011, at 2:50 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote: Thanks for this clarification. This underlines the need for CS to come up with an own draft of Internet Governance Principles. But this has to be done in an open and transparent manner. I am really surprised that IBSA worked in such an intransparent way. Referring back to the minutes of the IGC meeting, Wolfgang had suggested at that meeting that this should be a topic of our closing session speech, and that we should call for the IGF to adopt as its mission between now and the 2015 meeting to generate a truly multi-stakeholder statement of Internet governance principles. We should now discuss that more. Strongly agree.... I propose that in general terms we should talk in the closing session speech about how the various statements of principles that individual stakeholders are putting forward are good, because it shows that stakeholders are thinking about soft governance of the Internet rather than hard law. Some stakeholders are even bringing their statements of principles back to the IGF to be discussed in workshops. This is also good, since the IGF is the perfect place for such discussion. But continuing this process, the next step will be for the IGF at large to progress towards consensus on common principles, and we call for the IGF to do this not merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving all participants, and taking advantage of the improvements to its processes that we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose. Amongst these improvements, we hope, will be a process to better involve remote participants, particularly from the global South, in the development of the principles. As civil society's input into this process, we intend to prepare our own set of principles in an open and transparent fashion before the date of the next G20 meeting, and to formally launch them at the 2012 IGF. If such a set of common principles can emerge from the IGF before 2015, this accomplishment will imbue them with a status and legitimacy that none of the individual statements of principles - G8, CoE, EU, etc - could ever achieve. Please provide your comments on the above. Mallory Knodel wrote: Also, it's possible that I'll be dropping in at the IGF - will you hold a press conference at some point? Also, what's the on-the-ground mobilization in Nice or Cannes for publicizing it? No plans for a press conference, but we can (see above) mention it in our closing session speech at the IGF. I would have liked Izumi to deliver the closing address but he will be leaving Nairobi too early, and has asked me to do so. But if anyone else wishes to deliver it, or has another name to put forward, please let me know. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice . Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Thu Sep 29 04:11:28 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:11:28 +0300 Subject: [governance] Slide on Indian proposal Message-ID: <3677F5EE-D650-4584-84DF-AA9C9E3FA963@ciroap.org> This is not a report from "Reflections on the Indian Proposal towards an IGF 2.0", but just a copy of the slide containing those proposals, which Bertrand has requested me to post to this list. But since I'm posting anyway, I'll just mention that it was quite a highly charged session. Luis Magalhaes of Portugal directly attacked the IBSA proposal, saying that it would kill the multistakeholder process. Romulo Neves (Brazil) and Ravi Shanker (INdia) were both there to defend it. On the IGF improvements, Parminder stated his view that nobody who claims to support the multi-stakeholder process could fail to support the Indian proposals, whereas Craig Reilly of the US government was completely opposed to the proposals, claiming that they would turn the IGF into an intergovernmental process. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. 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Sivasubramanian M ISOC India Chennai http://isocindiachennai.org facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz http://internetstudio.in/ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > This is not a report from "Reflections on the Indian Proposal towards an > IGF 2.0", but just a copy of the slide containing those proposals, which > Bertrand has requested me to post to this list. > > But since I'm posting anyway, I'll just mention that it was quite a highly > charged session. Luis Magalhaes of Portugal directly attacked the IBSA > proposal, saying that it would kill the multistakeholder process. Romulo > Neves (Brazil) and Ravi Shanker (INdia) were both there to defend it. > > On the IGF improvements, Parminder stated his view that nobody who claims > to support the multi-stakeholder process could fail to support the Indian > proposals, whereas Craig Reilly of the US government was completely opposed > to the proposals, claiming that they would turn the IGF into an > intergovernmental process. > > > -- > > *Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. 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He may consult with Secretariat. izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Thu Sep 29 04:36:47 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:47 +0900 Subject: [governance] Informal meeting with USG Message-ID: Dear list, We are contacted by the delegation of the US government if we can have some small and informal meeting here today during lunch, just 1 hour, late yesterday. Given the very short time-frame, Jeremy and I had contacted the CSTD Working Group members from the Civil Society if they could join, and if not any alternate they suggest. We also invited Grace as Kenyan host member. Wolfgang, Parminder, Jeremy and myself will join the meeting, awaiting confirmation from Marilia. Anriette cannot make it. We will report the substance later. Thanks for your understanding, izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chris.mulola at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 04:44:35 2011 From: chris.mulola at gmail.com (Chris Mulola) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:44:35 -0700 Subject: [governance] Informal meeting with USG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Izumi, What is the venue? The tents area? Best regards, Chris On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > We are contacted by the delegation of the US government if we can > have some small and informal meeting here today during lunch, > just 1 hour, late yesterday. > > Given the very short time-frame, Jeremy and I had contacted the > CSTD Working Group members from the Civil Society if they > could join, and if not any alternate they suggest. We also invited > Grace as Kenyan host member. > > Wolfgang, Parminder, Jeremy and myself will join the meeting, > awaiting confirmation from Marilia. Anriette cannot make it. > > We will report the substance later. > > Thanks for your understanding, > > izumi > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Best regards, Chris Mulola Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced. *(James Baldwin)* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Originally here http://www.osce.org/fom/83112 and also in the message below: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: OSCE Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM Subject: Proposals to regulate Internet could threaten freedom of expression, warns OSCE media freedom representative To: fouadbajwa VIENNA, 28 September 2011 - The OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media, Dunja Mijatović, voiced concern today about Internet regulation policies proposed by several participating States and reminded them of their OSCE media freedom commitments. "Such initiatives endanger freedom of expression and risk erecting 'mind walls' - barriers to the flow of information and ideas," Mijatović said. She cited in particular an initiative by Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, among others, to introduce an "international code of conduct for information security", a proposal they would like to see adopted as a United Nations resolution. "Especially worrying is the draft code requesting States to curb 'the dissemination of information that incites terrorism, secessionism or extremism or that undermines other countries' political, economic and social stability, as well as their spiritual and cultural environment,'" Mijatović said. "This neglects the fact that any country's 'spiritual and cultural environment' is enriched by a free flow of information and a vibrant civil society, as well as by a free and pluralistic media fostering debate, in particular on controversial issues of public interest. As is already the case with the national laws in the countries that support this initiative, the draft code relies on subjective and vague notions of 'secessionism' and 'extremism'". "Although States do have a legitimate right to ensure their own stability and protect themselves from all forms of crime, OSCE commitments rest on the core idea that freedom and security are intimately linked. There can be no freedom without security and no security without freedom," she added. Mijatović also noted with concern that already in August the presidents of Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan, citing security reasons, agreed to develop a common strategy to regulate and control the Internet, particularly social networks, on a regional level. In addition, the prosecutor-generals of several of these countries called for government control over social networks at a meeting in Minsk on 14 September. "Such proposals risk fragmenting the Internet, thus cutting off the users of those countries from access to the global information society and thereby interrupting the free flow of information," Mijatović warned. "Free Internet, including social networks, blogs and online news media, leads to more transparency and political accountability worldwide - and this must be preserved." Mijatović urged the respective governments to reconsider their Internet strategies, keeping in mind the borderless nature of the Internet, and to ensure that it remains an open and public forum for freedom of expression for their citizens, in line with OSCE commitments and international standards of media freedom. She advised the respective governments to apply the recommendations in the report produced by her Office on Freedom of Expression on the Internet as well as the Joint Declaration on Freedom of Expression and the Internet, adopted in June by the rapporteurs on freedom of expression of the UN, the Organization of American States and the African Union with the OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media. The Representative offered her Office's assistance to participating States in developing Internet regulation policies in line with OSCE commitments and international standards of media freedom. 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Best wishes with the meeting. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! > From: iza at anr.org > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:47 +0900 > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: [governance] Informal meeting with USG > > Dear list, > > We are contacted by the delegation of the US government if we can > have some small and informal meeting here today during lunch, > just 1 hour, late yesterday. > > Given the very short time-frame, Jeremy and I had contacted the > CSTD Working Group members from the Civil Society if they > could join, and if not any alternate they suggest. We also invited > Grace as Kenyan host member. > > Wolfgang, Parminder, Jeremy and myself will join the meeting, > awaiting confirmation from Marilia. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Thu Sep 29 07:03:02 2011 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:03:02 -0400 Subject: [governance] Slide on Indian proposal In-Reply-To: <3677F5EE-D650-4584-84DF-AA9C9E3FA963@ciroap.org> References: <3677F5EE-D650-4584-84DF-AA9C9E3FA963@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <93F4C2F3D19A03439EAC16D47C591DDE0364106746@suex07-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu> I am sorry to have missed it; but 'highly charged' is the temperature real, substantive, policy debates often reach. So sounds like just what we had hoped for, a serious discussion on real issues rather than...pretending those issues do not exist. Well done IGC, to have got the discussion - charged up. Not that I am endorsing every aspect of the indian proposals, but certainly IGF is the place for these discussions to begin. And Jeremy - thanks for the - brief report : ). Lee ________________________________________ From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm [jeremy at ciroap.org] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:11 AM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] Slide on Indian proposal This is not a report from "Reflections on the Indian Proposal towards an IGF 2.0", but just a copy of the slide containing those proposals, which Bertrand has requested me to post to this list. But since I'm posting anyway, I'll just mention that it was quite a highly charged session. Luis Magalhaes of Portugal directly attacked the IBSA proposal, saying that it would kill the multistakeholder process. Romulo Neves (Brazil) and Ravi Shanker (INdia) were both there to defend it. On the IGF improvements, Parminder stated his view that nobody who claims to support the multi-stakeholder process could fail to support the Indian proposals, whereas Craig Reilly of the US government was completely opposed to the proposals, claiming that they would turn the IGF into an intergovernmental process. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From hkawa at attglobal.net Thu Sep 29 08:15:01 2011 From: hkawa at attglobal.net (Hiroshi Kawamura) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:15:01 +0900 Subject: [governance] Workshop on IG and disaster preparedness - Thursday 2 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cc7ea1$6de17bb0$49a47310$@net> Dear Izumi: For you information. You might be interested. Best Hiroshi -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:05 PM To: Governance List Subject: [governance] Workshop on IG and disaster preparedness - Thursday 2 pm Sorry for some promotional info, but I cannot help post this. I will be reporting on our experience and findings from the Great earthquake and Tsunami in Japan in March this year, use of Internet and some policy/ governance issues. We conducted some survey on how people used or tried but could not use the Internet and mobile, TV, radio and other info tools during the emergency and post-quake period. The situation in North East Japan hit by the disaster is not getting that much better. Many people are still suffering very much. So, if you are interested, please come to: Workshop 181, How can Internet Governance impact disaster preparedness and response and help save lives? http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSPro posals2011View&wspid=181 It is hosted by Access Partnership, US-based private sector body. thanks, izumi ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Indian proposal provided one possible template for doing this, generating a range of specific policy options that could be presented to policy makers, as WGIG developed policy options for presentation to the second phase of WSIS. The US delegates, however, feared that such improvements would result in turning the forum into an intergovernmental-style negotiation. Whilst, by definition, governments have no problem with intergovernmental-style negotiation, they contend that this would destroy the IGF as we know it. ... As I pointed out at the meeting, we could easily try it as an experiment for one year, and then abandon it if it didn't work. ... My colleagues spoke to similar effect, reminding us that multi-stakeholderism, and the IGF as a body based on this principle, are still young and that we should not be afraid to take measured risks and experiment until we find the ideal formula - one with a little more output orientation, but stopping short of intergovernmental-style negotiation. ... More frankly, the biggest fear that underlies the objection to negotiations is not that it will damage the IGF, but (and this is an exact quote) that "governments can only cede negotiating authority up to a certain point." In fact for both governments and the private sector, the question is the same... how much of their power are they really willing to share? Another topic of discussion was this year's "principle tsunami" (to borrow Wolfgang's phrase, and with apologies to Izumi), with governmental frameworks of principles on Internet governance having been put forward by the G8, OECD, EU, US, Brazil, Council of Europe and more. Wolfgang's vision is that civil society should develop its own similar statement of principles, and that we should then discuss it and the other statements within the IGF, working towards developing them into a common framework of commitments that can be agreed by all stakeholders, before the conclusion of the IGF's next mandate term. As far as the US delegates would move during our discussion was to consider that perhaps the IGF meetings should have a particular theme around which its discussions could be focussed each year, and that main sessions and workshops could somehow develop and map policy options with respect to that theme. But they did also undertake to take all our comments on board." -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeremy at ciroap.org Thu Sep 29 10:42:10 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:42:10 +0300 Subject: [governance] Re: Open letter to President of the UN General Assembly on International Code of Conduct for Information Security In-Reply-To: References: <50E3DE90-55C3-4F79-ADB9-CF57AA2164FA@ciroap.org> Message-ID: On 29/09/2011, at 5:01 PM, Saijin Zhang wrote: > Dear Jeremy Malcolm and Izumi Aizu, > > This is to acknowledge the receipt of your message with the open letter to the President of the General Assembly. > > Since agenda item 93 "Developments in the field of information and telecommunications in the context of international security" has been allocated to the First Committee. I am copying this message to Mr. Timur Alasaniya, the Secretary of the First Committee, who may draw the attention of the Chair of the First Committee to the letter. > > By the way, the President of the 66th session of the General Assembly is H. E. Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser. Many thanks for your acknowledgement and for your assistance in this matter. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. 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There is lots of vegetarian food even though it is quite a meat oriented place. There are other restaurants nearby if we run out of space. Warm regards Anriette http://www.fogogauchonbi.com/ Viking Hse, Waiyaki Way, Westlands P. O. Box 14215 - 00800 Nairobi. Email: info at fogogauchonbi.com Telefax: +254 20 4454439 Cell: +254 729 243 202 Tel: + 254 20 3544037 or +254 20 4454439 -- ------------------------------------------------------ anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org executive director, association for progressive communications www.apc.org po box 29755, melville 2109 south africa tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dvbirve at yandex.ru Thu Sep 29 11:16:51 2011 From: dvbirve at yandex.ru (Shcherbovich Andrey) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:16:51 +0400 Subject: [governance] APC IGF party In-Reply-To: <4E848817.8080304@apc.org> References: <4E848817.8080304@apc.org> Message-ID: <118331317309411@web119.yandex.ru> Anriette, give me the address of restaurant and time until the event happens THANKS Andrey 29.09.2011, 19:03, "Anriette Esterhuysen" : > Dear all in Nairobi > > You are invited to the APC dinner tonight if you are free. > > In the spirit of the IBSA proposals we have chosen a Brazilian restaurant :) > > Everyone pays for them self.. but it is a buffet with all you can eat > for Ksh1700. > > There is lots of vegetarian food even though it is quite a meat oriented > place. There are other restaurants nearby if we run out of space. > > Warm regards > > Anriette > > http://www.fogogauchonbi.com/ > Viking Hse, Waiyaki Way, Westlands > P. O. Box 14215 - 00800 Nairobi. > Email: info at fogogauchonbi.com > Telefax: +254 20 4454439 > Cell: +254 729 243 202 > Tel: + 254 20 3544037 or +254 20 4454439 > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org > executive director, association for progressive communications > www.apc.org > po box 29755, melville 2109 > south africa > tel/fax +27 11 726 1692 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >     http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Fri Sep 30 03:13:39 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:13:39 +0900 Subject: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct Message-ID: Dear list, So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#label/09+Governance%2FIGC Thank Wolfgang for first proposing this, and Jeremy for your out-reach work. In my limited memory, this is the first attempt for IGC (at least in recent months or years) to ask for joint open letter with other civil society organizations and friends. We did asked ISOC and ICC last year for the letter on CSTD WG on IGF improvement problem to join and they did, but this is different. (Correct me if I am wrong in early years we might have done similar things). Looking at the list of statements we made in the website, I find we were rather focusing on the narrow "business of IGF", but not touching on the issues of mutual interest around Internet Governance. Of course, it deserves careful consideration and discussion if we are to continue this practice, but I think it's worth to consider. Anyway, I think this is a good new way of our out reach and enhancing Civil Society voice in the IGF process. In other words, IGC tend to talk within us on this list, but not effectively reaching out or joining other efforts in a coordinated manner. Any comments welcome, izumi Access APC Bits of Freedom Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) Bangalore Consumers International Digitale Gesellschaft e.V. Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights Electronic Frontier Finland Juliagruppen (The Julia Group) La Quadrature du Net May First/People Link Leadership NURPA - Net Users' Rights Protection Association Open Rights Group VECAM ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Sep 30 03:31:13 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:31:13 +0300 Subject: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F07B1D8-3D53-4312-B8F4-78AC2890CA66@ciroap.org> On 30/09/2011, at 10:13 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the > Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International > Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. Also there is now a German translation of the letter: http://digitalegesellschaft.de/2011/09/igf-in-nairobi-grundrechte-verteidigen/ -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iza at anr.org Fri Sep 30 03:33:40 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:33:40 +0900 Subject: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct In-Reply-To: <8F07B1D8-3D53-4312-B8F4-78AC2890CA66@ciroap.org> References: <8F07B1D8-3D53-4312-B8F4-78AC2890CA66@ciroap.org> Message-ID: We also brought this topic during our informal meeting with US government yesterday, and Ambassador Verveer mentioned they will consider this, of course. izumi 2011/9/30 Jeremy Malcolm : > On 30/09/2011, at 10:13 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Dear list, > > So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the > Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International > Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. > > Also there is now a German translation of the letter: > http://digitalegesellschaft.de/2011/09/igf-in-nairobi-grundrechte-verteidigen/ > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Fri Sep 30 03:54:37 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:54:37 +0200 Subject: [governance] CS-EU Meeting References: Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi everybody here is another short report from a meeting between CS and the EU Commissioner Kroes on Thursday late afternoon. The meeting was arranged at request of the Commissioner and was the first meeting which took place between her and CS. From the EU - next to Commissioner - Thibaut Kleiner from the Cabinet and Andrea Gloriso from the DG. From CS Marillia, Katitza, Bill and me participated. We raised a number of issues as the understanding of the multistakeholder policy dialogue and ways to increase civil society participation in public consultation on Internet related public policy issues organized by the EU. The Commissioner underlined the strong interest the EU Commission to get the CS perspectives and the readiness "to listen". However the Commissioner explained also that the established procedures within the EU predefine to a certain degree how input can be channeled into decisions on Internet related public policy issues. Bill Drake called for a stronger support by the EU in strengthening the role of CS in intergovernmental bodies as the ITU, WIPO and others. CS people underlined that first priority for them are issues like freedom of expression, privacy, access, rights of disabled people and multiligualism in the Internet. There was no time to go into details as ACTA and other issues which are on the table. We had also a discussion on ICANN issues, in particular the EU role in the recent GAC/Board meeting in Singapur and the six position papers. The Commissioner underlined that the EU will continue to push ICANN that decisions has to be in the framework of the law, in particular competition law (with regard to the new gTLD programm). CS people argued that an early involvement of the EU in ICANNs PDPs could avoid a number of conflicts. CS asked what the Commssioner plans with regard to the announced Internet Compact, based on the seven principles Md. Kroes has outlined in her speech at the OECD meeting in July. She promised that a process will start soon and this process will be fully multistakeholder. She promised to continue the dialogue and appointed both Thibaut Kleiner and Andrea Glorisos to be the contact persons. Wolfgang ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Fri Sep 30 04:30:33 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:30:33 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct References: <8F07B1D8-3D53-4312-B8F4-78AC2890CA66@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Ron Koven asked me to put also World Press Freedom Committee of Freedom House to the list of signatories w ________________________________ Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Izumi AIZU Gesendet: Fr 30.09.2011 09:33 An: Jeremy Malcolm Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: Re: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct We also brought this topic during our informal meeting with US government yesterday, and Ambassador Verveer mentioned they will consider this, of course. izumi 2011/9/30 Jeremy Malcolm : > On 30/09/2011, at 10:13 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > > Dear list, > > So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the > Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International > Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. > > Also there is now a German translation of the letter: > http://digitalegesellschaft.de/2011/09/igf-in-nairobi-grundrechte-verteidigen/ > -- > > Dr Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups > that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and > authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations > in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help > protect and empower consumers everywhere. > www.consumersinternational.org > Twitter @ConsumersInt > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 05:15:53 2011 From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 02:15:53 -0700 Subject: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please include the Pacific Young Professionals Training Development Forum On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: > Dear list, > > So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the > Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International > Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. > > https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#label/09+Governance%2FIGC > > Thank Wolfgang for first proposing this, and Jeremy for your out-reach > work. > > In my limited memory, this is the first attempt for IGC (at least in recent > months or years) to ask for joint open letter with other civil society > organizations and friends. We did asked ISOC and ICC last year for > the letter on CSTD WG on IGF improvement problem to join and they > did, but this is different. (Correct me if I am wrong in early years we > might have done similar things). > > Looking at the list of statements we made in the website, I find we were > rather focusing on the narrow "business of IGF", but not touching on the > issues > of mutual interest around Internet Governance. Of course, it deserves > careful consideration and discussion if we are to continue this practice, > but I think it's worth to consider. > > Anyway, I think this is a good new way of our out reach and enhancing > Civil Society voice in the IGF process. In other words, IGC tend > to talk within us on this list, but not effectively reaching out or > joining other efforts in a coordinated manner. > > Any comments welcome, > > izumi > > Access > APC > Bits of Freedom > Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) Bangalore > Consumers International > Digitale Gesellschaft e.V. > Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights > Electronic Frontier Finland > Juliagruppen (The Julia Group) > La Quadrature du Net > May First/People Link Leadership > NURPA - Net Users' Rights Protection Association > Open Rights Group > VECAM > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala Tweeter: @SalanietaT Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Cell: +679 998 2851 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From katitza at eff.org Fri Sep 30 05:25:15 2011 From: katitza at eff.org (Katitza Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:25:15 +0300 Subject: AW: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <8F07B1D8-3D53-4312-B8F4-78AC2890CA66@ciroap.org> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <4E858AFB.7040702@eff.org> Please add: Electronic Frontier Foundation Thanks, Katitza On 9/30/11 11:30 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Ron Koven asked me to put also World Press Freedom Committee of Freedom House to the list of signatories > > w > > > ________________________________ > > Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Izumi AIZU > Gesendet: Fr 30.09.2011 09:33 > An: Jeremy Malcolm > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] 14 organizations joined IGC open letter to US GA on proposal of Internet security Code of Conduct > > > > We also brought this topic during our informal meeting with US government > yesterday, and Ambassador Verveer mentioned they will consider this, of course. > > izumi > > 2011/9/30 Jeremy Malcolm: >> On 30/09/2011, at 10:13 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >> Dear list, >> >> So far the following 14 organizations joined as the signatory to the >> Open Letter to the President of the UN General Assembly on International >> Code of Conduct for Information Security. I am sure we may have more. >> >> Also there is now a German translation of the letter: >> http://digitalegesellschaft.de/2011/09/igf-in-nairobi-grundrechte-verteidigen/ >> -- >> >> Dr Jeremy Malcolm >> Project Coordinator >> Consumers International >> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East >> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, >> Malaysia >> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >> >> Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups >> that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and >> authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations >> in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help >> protect and empower consumers everywhere. >> www.consumersinternational.org >> Twitter @ConsumersInt >> >> Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless >> necessary. >> > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu<< > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation katitza at eff.org katitza at datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Fri Sep 30 09:24:40 2011 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:24:40 -0400 Subject: [governance] My blog post on the GAC and the UDRP review In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549373D7@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549373D7@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D717549373D8@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Lifting the Veil on how GAC works... http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/9/29/4909356.html Milton L. Mueller Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Fri Sep 30 10:26:44 2011 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 23:26:44 +0900 Subject: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Thank you Wolfgang for sharing this with us. I think it will be important to keep the link, not only the following areas reported, but perhaps also the issue of IGF improvement through CSTD WG though EU, I believe, do not have any direct involvement as such. G20 may also be another target/subject so is the UN GA on Code of Conduct on Internet security proposal. izumi 2011/9/30 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > Hi everybody > > here is another short report from a meeting between CS and the EU Commissioner Kroes on Thursday late afternoon. The meeting was arranged at request of the Commissioner and was the first meeting which took place between her and CS. From the EU - next to Commissioner - Thibaut Kleiner from the Cabinet and Andrea Gloriso from the DG. From CS Marillia, Katitza, Bill and me participated. > > We raised a number of issues as the understanding of the multistakeholder policy dialogue and ways to increase civil society participation in public consultation on Internet related public policy issues organized by the EU. The Commissioner underlined the strong interest the EU Commission to get the CS perspectives and the readiness "to listen". However the Commissioner explained also that the established procedures within the EU predefine to a certain degree how input can be channeled into decisions on Internet related public policy issues. > > Bill Drake called for a stronger support by the EU in strengthening the role of CS in intergovernmental bodies as the ITU, WIPO and others. CS people underlined that first priority for them are issues like freedom of expression, privacy, access, rights of disabled people and multiligualism in the Internet. There was no time to go into details as ACTA and other issues which are on the table. > > We had also a discussion on ICANN issues, in particular the EU role in the recent GAC/Board meeting in Singapur and the six position papers. The Commissioner underlined that the EU will continue to push ICANN that decisions has to be in the framework of the law, in particular competition law (with regard to the new gTLD programm). CS people argued that an early involvement of the EU in ICANNs PDPs could avoid a number of conflicts. > > CS asked what the Commssioner plans with regard to the announced Internet Compact, based on the seven principles Md. Kroes has outlined in her speech at the OECD meeting in July. She promised that a process will start soon and this process will be fully multistakeholder. > > She promised to continue the dialogue and appointed both Thibaut Kleiner and Andrea Glorisos to be the contact persons. > > Wolfgang > > > > --                         >> Izumi Aizu <<           Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo            Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,                                   Japan                                  * * * * *                               www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 11:53:28 2011 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:23:28 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Dear Wolfgang, This initiative to reach out to Governments would further the acceptability of the multi-stakeholder model. Setting up meetings with Government Delegations, Senior Government functionaries from different parts of the world, one after another at every IGF / regional IGFs / MAG meetings would be opportunities for Government to 'see' the Civil Society face to face, which would favorably bring down the distance from Civil Society and Government. Same could be done with Business and Technical communities. At ICANN at least a few members of the Business Constituency, and perhaps even one or two members of the Board were rather reluctant, if not apprehensive about working with At-Large. Meetings with the Board and more recently the meetings with the Business Constituency have favorably altered the way each see the other. I don't view this merely as meetings between IGC and Government, but more as the beginning of Civil Society's informal Interactions with other stakeholders, beginning with IGC meetings with the American / EU Governments. Please take this forward further. Sivasubramanian M ISOC India Chennai http://isocindiachennai.org facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz http://internetstudio.in/ 2011/9/30 Izumi AIZU > Thank you Wolfgang for sharing this with us. > > I think it will be important to keep the link, not only the following > areas reported, > but perhaps also the issue of IGF improvement through CSTD WG though > EU, I believe, do not have any direct involvement as such. G20 may also be > another target/subject so is the UN GA on Code of Conduct on Internet > security proposal. > > izumi > > 2011/9/30 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" > : > > Hi everybody > > > > here is another short report from a meeting between CS and the EU > Commissioner Kroes on Thursday late afternoon. The meeting was arranged at > request of the Commissioner and was the first meeting which took place > between her and CS. From the EU - next to Commissioner - Thibaut Kleiner > from the Cabinet and Andrea Gloriso from the DG. From CS Marillia, Katitza, > Bill and me participated. > > > > We raised a number of issues as the understanding of the multistakeholder > policy dialogue and ways to increase civil society participation in public > consultation on Internet related public policy issues organized by the EU. > The Commissioner underlined the strong interest the EU Commission to get the > CS perspectives and the readiness "to listen". However the Commissioner > explained also that the established procedures within the EU predefine to a > certain degree how input can be channeled into decisions on Internet related > public policy issues. > > > > Bill Drake called for a stronger support by the EU in strengthening the > role of CS in intergovernmental bodies as the ITU, WIPO and others. CS > people underlined that first priority for them are issues like freedom of > expression, privacy, access, rights of disabled people and multiligualism in > the Internet. There was no time to go into details as ACTA and other issues > which are on the table. > > > > We had also a discussion on ICANN issues, in particular the EU role in > the recent GAC/Board meeting in Singapur and the six position papers. The > Commissioner underlined that the EU will continue to push ICANN that > decisions has to be in the framework of the law, in particular competition > law (with regard to the new gTLD programm). CS people argued that an early > involvement of the EU in ICANNs PDPs could avoid a number of conflicts. > > > > CS asked what the Commssioner plans with regard to the announced Internet > Compact, based on the seven principles Md. Kroes has outlined in her speech > at the OECD meeting in July. She promised that a process will start soon and > this process will be fully multistakeholder. > > > > She promised to continue the dialogue and appointed both Thibaut Kleiner > and Andrea Glorisos to be the contact persons. > > > > Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > * * * * * > www.anr.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Sep 30 10:05:35 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:05:35 +0300 Subject: [governance] Final text of closing civil society statement Message-ID: <62687AA4-F5FE-435E-8290-5307A5F0726C@ciroap.org> Here is the final text of the civil society closing statement that I just gave, based on the talking points that I sent earlier but with some additions based on suggestions received since then. Madam Chair, your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, I address you as co-coordinator of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, which is an open and diverse group of civil society stakeholders who believe in an inclusive, people centered and development oriented approach to Internet governance. As such our members were amongst the earliest and strongest proponents of the IGF, which together we have all shaped into a forum which embodies those values. One of the recent developments in Internet governance most remarked upon at this meeting has been the flourishing of statements of principles of Internet governance from various stakeholders, including governments and intergovernmental organisations. This is a welcome development, because it demonstrates that those stakeholders understand the value of soft governance of the Internet, which the IGF also exemplifies. Several of the stakeholders who have developed statements of principles have also placed them before this meeting of the IGF for discussion. This is another welcome step, because it shows their commitment to developing policy through multi-stakeholder consultation, and the IGF is the perfect place for this. Continuing this process, the next step that many in civil society would like to see is for the IGF to be used as a venue for each of the stakeholders to contribute these statements of principles, to a process by which we draw out common elements, and build consensus, towards the development of a multi-stakeholder framework of principles which we can all own together. If such a joint statement of principles could be produced during the current term of the IGF's mandate, this would have far more weight and legitimacy than any of the individual statements could ever hope to possess on their own. It would also establish beyond question the IGF's ability to contribute tangible and lasting outcomes for the guidance of policy makers. On the part of the Internet Governance Caucus, we intend to participate in the development of a set of principles for civil society, using an open and transparent process, as our input into the process of developing a common framework of principles. We hope to present this civil society statement of principles at the next meeting of the IGF and at other Internet governance meetings in the meantime. If we are to work towards an IGF framework of principles, this exercise should be undertaken not merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving all participants, and taking full advantage of the improvements to the IGF's processes that we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose. Amongst these improvements, we hope, will be a way to involve remote participants, particularly from the global South, as equals. After all, e-participation, both during meetings and throughout the year, is one of the best ways in which we can promote multi-stakeholder values of inclusion, transparency and openness. It will also be very useful for the next IGF meeting to adopt a theme that provides a suitable context to focus on the various statements of principles and explore commonalities. An appropriate main theme for this purpose is human rights and Internet governance. One of the other debates for which this IGF meeting will be remembered concerns one possible model by which the non-binding policy options developed by multi-stakeholder means at the IGF, could feed into a higher level process where a choice between those options is made. Very often, an appropriate such high level process already exists, and whilst it can and should be enhanced in line with the multi-stakeholder model, a new process or institution may not be needed. But we should also remain open to discussing cases in which there is not already an appropriate and inclusive high-level process to resolve particular policy issues, perhaps because no existing institution has a mandate to decide on those issues. It is for such cases that the Tunis Agenda directs all stakeholders to consider possible mechanisms for enhanced cooperation. As civil society we look forward to discussing with any democratic government, and with the private sector and technical community, whether new processes are needed, in what circumstances they may be needed, and how we can guarantee that they do not detract in any way from the rightful role of the IGF, nor from the entitlement of all stakeholders to participate fully in Internet governance. Thank you and I look forward to continuing to collaborate with you all in this exciting time for governance and the Internet. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ATTOUMANI MOHAMED Karim, Comoros representative on the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN Ingénieur Télécoms en Transmission, Réseaux et Commutation Chef du Département Études et Projets, Autorité Nationale de Régulation des TIC (ANRTIC) - Union des Comores, (+269) 334 37 06 (Mobile Moroni) - ID Skype: attoukarim Quoting Milton L Mueller : > > Lifting the Veil on how GAC works... > http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/9/29/4909356.html > > Milton L. Mueller > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies Internet > Governance Project http://blog.internetgovernance.org > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Fri Sep 30 14:26:27 2011 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:26:27 +0200 Subject: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting References: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5BE@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C5CA@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Thanks yoyu are right. We should invite the Chinese government for a dialogue in 2012. wolfgang ________________________________ From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com] Sent: Fri 9/30/2011 5:53 PM To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Izumi AIZU Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Subject: Re: [governance] Re: CS-EU Meeting Dear Wolfgang, This initiative to reach out to Governments would further the acceptability of the multi-stakeholder model. Setting up meetings with Government Delegations, Senior Government functionaries from different parts of the world, one after another at every IGF / regional IGFs / MAG meetings would be opportunities for Government to 'see' the Civil Society face to face, which would favorably bring down the distance from Civil Society and Government. Same could be done with Business and Technical communities. At ICANN at least a few members of the Business Constituency, and perhaps even one or two members of the Board were rather reluctant, if not apprehensive about working with At-Large. Meetings with the Board and more recently the meetings with the Business Constituency have favorably altered the way each see the other. I don't view this merely as meetings between IGC and Government, but more as the beginning of Civil Society's informal Interactions with other stakeholders, beginning with IGC meetings with the American / EU Governments. Please take this forward further. Sivasubramanian M ISOC India Chennai http://isocindiachennai.org facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz http://internetstudio.in/ 2011/9/30 Izumi AIZU Thank you Wolfgang for sharing this with us. I think it will be important to keep the link, not only the following areas reported, but perhaps also the issue of IGF improvement through CSTD WG though EU, I believe, do not have any direct involvement as such. G20 may also be another target/subject so is the UN GA on Code of Conduct on Internet security proposal. izumi 2011/9/30 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > Hi everybody > > here is another short report from a meeting between CS and the EU Commissioner Kroes on Thursday late afternoon. The meeting was arranged at request of the Commissioner and was the first meeting which took place between her and CS. From the EU - next to Commissioner - Thibaut Kleiner from the Cabinet and Andrea Gloriso from the DG. From CS Marillia, Katitza, Bill and me participated. > > We raised a number of issues as the understanding of the multistakeholder policy dialogue and ways to increase civil society participation in public consultation on Internet related public policy issues organized by the EU. The Commissioner underlined the strong interest the EU Commission to get the CS perspectives and the readiness "to listen". However the Commissioner explained also that the established procedures within the EU predefine to a certain degree how input can be channeled into decisions on Internet related public policy issues. > > Bill Drake called for a stronger support by the EU in strengthening the role of CS in intergovernmental bodies as the ITU, WIPO and others. CS people underlined that first priority for them are issues like freedom of expression, privacy, access, rights of disabled people and multiligualism in the Internet. There was no time to go into details as ACTA and other issues which are on the table. > > We had also a discussion on ICANN issues, in particular the EU role in the recent GAC/Board meeting in Singapur and the six position papers. The Commissioner underlined that the EU will continue to push ICANN that decisions has to be in the framework of the law, in particular competition law (with regard to the new gTLD programm). CS people argued that an early involvement of the EU in ICANNs PDPs could avoid a number of conflicts. > > CS asked what the Commssioner plans with regard to the announced Internet Compact, based on the seven principles Md. Kroes has outlined in her speech at the OECD meeting in July. She promised that a process will start soon and this process will be fully multistakeholder. > > She promised to continue the dialogue and appointed both Thibaut Kleiner and Andrea Glorisos to be the contact persons. > > Wolfgang > > > > -- >> Izumi Aizu << Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, Japan * * * * * www.anr.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Sep 30 15:39:57 2011 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:39:57 +0300 Subject: [governance] Final text of closing civil society statement Message-ID: Here is the final text of the civil society closing statement that I just gave, based on the talking points that I sent earlier but with some additions based on suggestions received since then. Madam Chair, your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, I address you as co-coordinator of the Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus, which is an open and diverse group of civil society stakeholders who believe in an inclusive, people centered and development oriented approach to Internet governance. As such our members were amongst the earliest and strongest proponents of the IGF, which together we have all shaped into a forum which embodies those values. One of the recent developments in Internet governance most remarked upon at this meeting has been the flourishing of statements of principles of Internet governance from various stakeholders, including governments and intergovernmental organisations. This is a welcome development, because it demonstrates that those stakeholders understand the value of soft governance of the Internet, which the IGF also exemplifies. Several of the stakeholders who have developed statements of principles have also placed them before this meeting of the IGF for discussion. This is another welcome step, because it shows their commitment to developing policy through multi-stakeholder consultation, and the IGF is the perfect place for this. Continuing this process, the next step that many in civil society would like to see is for the IGF to be used as a venue for each of the stakeholders to contribute these statements of principles, to a process by which we draw out common elements, and build consensus, towards the development of a multi-stakeholder framework of principles which we can all own together. If such a joint statement of principles could be produced during the current term of the IGF's mandate, this would have far more weight and legitimacy than any of the individual statements could ever hope to possess on their own. It would also establish beyond question the IGF's ability to contribute tangible and lasting outcomes for the guidance of policy makers. On the part of the Internet Governance Caucus, we intend to participate in the development of a set of principles for civil society, using an open and transparent process, as our input into the process of developing a common framework of principles. We hope to present this civil society statement of principles at the next meeting of the IGF and at other Internet governance meetings in the meantime. If we are to work towards an IGF framework of principles, this exercise should be undertaken not merely in a stakeholder-organised workshop, but as a plenary body, involving all participants, and taking full advantage of the improvements to the IGF's processes that we expect the CSTD Working Group will propose. Amongst these improvements, we hope, will be a way to involve remote participants, particularly from the global South, as equals. After all, e-participation, both during meetings and throughout the year, is one of the best ways in which we can promote multi-stakeholder values of inclusion, transparency and openness. It will also be very useful for the next IGF meeting to adopt a theme that provides a suitable context to focus on the various statements of principles and explore commonalities. An appropriate main theme for this purpose is human rights and Internet governance. One of the other debates for which this IGF meeting will be remembered concerns one possible model by which the non-binding policy options developed by multi-stakeholder means at the IGF, could feed into a higher level process where a choice between those options is made. Very often, an appropriate such high level process already exists, and whilst it can and should be enhanced in line with the multi-stakeholder model, a new process or institution may not be needed. But we should also remain open to discussing cases in which there is not already an appropriate and inclusive high-level process to resolve particular policy issues, perhaps because no existing institution has a mandate to decide on those issues. It is for such cases that the Tunis Agenda directs all stakeholders to consider possible mechanisms for enhanced cooperation. As civil society we look forward to discussing with any democratic government, and with the private sector and technical community, whether new processes are needed, in what circumstances they may be needed, and how we can guarantee that they do not detract in any way from the rightful role of the IGF, nor from the entitlement of all stakeholders to participate fully in Internet governance. Thank you and I look forward to continuing to collaborate with you all in this exciting time for governance and the Internet. -- Dr Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 Consumers International (CI) is the world federation of consumer groups that, working together with its members, serves as the only independent and authoritative global voice for consumers. With over 220 member organisations in 115 countries, we are building a powerful international movement to help protect and empower consumers everywhere. www.consumersinternational.org Twitter @ConsumersInt Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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