[governance] November 1-2 Ministerial Cyber Event was Re: [] Cyber Security 2011

Mon Oct 31 09:37:40 EDT 2011

Thanks Philipp,

Your post made me look up the principles that Hague was espousing etc and
of all the links I went through, I found this report useful although it's a
bit old but it makes reference to the current Ministerial event and helps
to give a bit of context:

http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/02/04/calls-for-geneva-convention-in-cyberspace/

2011/11/1 Philipp Mirtl <Philipp.Mirtl at oiip.ac.at>

> Sure, I will keep you updated on this!
>
> philipp
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> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Philipp Mirtl; governance at lists.cpsr.org;
> Avri Doria; IGC
> Betreff: AW: [governance] November 1-2 Ministerial Cyber Event was Re: []
> Cyber Security 2011
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> Yes Phlipp
>
> Alexanders reporting would be very useful.
>
> wolfgabg
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> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Philipp Mirtl
> Gesendet: Mo 31.10.2011 09:25
> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria; IGC
> Betreff: AW: [governance] November 1-2 Ministerial Cyber Event was Re: []
> Cyber Security 2011
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>
> Hi Avri
>
> My apologies for my late response. Alexander Klimburg, whom I work with,
> is attending the London conference on invitation of Chatham House (which is
> resposible for the civil society engagement component of the conference).
> The focus was originally to be Foreign Secretary Haguge's 7 principles on
> cybersecurity, mentioned at the Munich security conference. Alexander
> thinks this is going to be particulary interesting as one or even two of
> Hague's principles were directly related to freedom of access to the
> Internet, which was clearly interpreted differently in the aftermath of the
> England riots (much to Russia's and China's glee). In any case, the
> expectations at the moment are not very high.
>
> Alexander says he has a lot of regard for the discussion on this forum,
> and if there is interest on this thread he could write a very short report
> on the conference, albeit from a "national cybersecurity" point of view. He
> does say, however, not to expect too much - both from the conference itself
> as well as his report - there might not be very much worthwhile to report
> on.
>
> Best regards from Vienna,
>
> Philipp
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Avri Doria
> Gesendet: So 30.10.2011 17:46
> An: IGC
> Betreff: [governance] November 1-2 Ministerial Cyber Event  was Re: []
> Cyber Security 2011
>
>
> I apologize for sending out the wrong link at first.
>
> I had heard about the Chatham House event sitting in a conference meeting,
> was horrified and without having the correct information wanted to make a
> wider group of people aware - since the time is so short.  And what I did
> was confused things.
>
> but at least the issue is now on the table.  And fortunately there were
> people to correct it.
>
> Thanks to Wolfgang and Ben for correcting my erroneous sky is falling
> message.  I still think it may be falling, but not from the direction I was
> pointing.
>
> So, is there any official information on this event other than the
> Register articles?  Is anyone on this list participating who can give more
> information?
> It does appear that they are doing a pretty good job of keeping this thing
> secret.  Why is that?
>
> avri
>
> Ps.
>
>  One useful piece of info in the Register article:
>
> > The event will be held on 1 and 2 November, watch out for The
> > Register's foray into live-tweeting from the conference floor by
> > following c. ®
>
> We should be ready to comment on the info that comes out of this event.
>  Quickly and loudly.
>
> On 30 Oct 2011, at 09:14, Rui Correia wrote:
>
> > Yes, Ben is right on the need to set the two apart. It would be useful
> for those commenting to state which event they are referring to.
> >
> > The link sent by Wolfgang is for an event co-sponsored by Chatham House,
> which has done great work in human rights, exposing corruption, etc etc. I
> would find it odd to see them involved in an event in collusion with
> governments/ business to shut out CS.
> >
> > Rui
> >
> >
> > On 30 October 2011 15:01, Ben Wagner <b at nwagner.org> wrote:
> > To clarify the difference, there is a difference between the two events.
> The first link by Avri isn't the offical conference, it's the
> inter-governmental event on Nov. 1-2 CS should be concerned about.
> >
> > To provide a little more context to the event:
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/26/cyber_hague_event/
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/20/bring_economics_into_freedom_d
> > ebate/
> >
> > From everything I have heard so far this will be a very high level event
> attempting to focus the debate on cyber security at the expense of most
> other internet governance issues.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 October 2011 11:21, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com> wrote:
> > This event sounds very much like a trade show on security, with a major
> sponsor Endace, a New Zealand company looking for worldwide expansion.
> Somehow, advertising the event smacks of show business, one day
> boondoggling in London for £995 + VAT registration. Are the good times
> coming back ?
> > - - -
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 13:35, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This monstrosity was pointed out to me the other day.
> >
> > http://www.cybersecuritysummit.co.uk/
> >
> > As far as i can tell it is another conference on IG without Civil
> society representation, though a fair amount of business - the business
> especially who make a great part of their living from selling the tools of
> so called security.
> >
> > Have I missed the discussion of this on this list?
> >
> > avri
> >
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