[governance] I think we debated this ~7 years ago, but it seems to have come up again...

[McTim]

Jefe,

Here is the text of the proposal in its current form:

http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-100/prop-100-v002.txt

I think you will agree that it is not the same thing as a NIR (altho
that is in the works as well).

You may have already read my opinion on this sort of plan here:

http://www.circleid.com/posts/country_internet_registries_one_african_perspective/

Perhaps the most germane sentence is this one:  "..once a nation has
an telecommunications asset (think frequencies or licenses), as IPv6
blocks would surely be perceived, the tendency is to maximize revenue
from that asset. "


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel




On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> Wow, wow, wow... let us be less dramatic. There are at several national
> Internet registries in successful operation (Brazil, Japan, Mexico among
> others). For a full list:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Internet_registry
>
> I know little about how this is done in the other countries, but having
> IP allocation done by a national registry in Brazil simply works. To
> begin with, it is done by CGI.br, which as you know is a pluralist
> commission in which its administrative and operational arm is a
> non-profit non-commercial organization called NIC.br.
>
> NIC.br also runs all technical facilities for LACNIC (LA&C regional IP
> registry). So the fact that India wants to run a NIR does not mean
> "government will control everything", or the sky will fall on people's
> heads. Let us see how exactly they plan to do it, hopefully building on
> the existing experiences.
>
> []s fraternos
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 10/22/2011 04:39 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>> Hello MacTim,
>>
>>
>> It is a very bad idea in its present form. It is difficult to see this as
>> anything other than a move to control the Internet by an anachronistic
>> proposal to nationalize the allocation of Internet address space. The idea
>> of 'country-wide' and  'contiguous' allocation together with the implied
>> idea of 'All IPv6 addresses ONLY through the National Internet
>> Registry',  would
>> result in the unintended(?) outcome of reducing the Internet from being a
>> free, open and universal medium to a Government controlled communication
>> platform defined by national boundaries.
>>
>> It is likely that this is another proposal that is a reflection of wrong
>> inputs to the policy makers. The ISPs do not require any form of Government
>> help in the process of obtaining address blocks from the Regional Internet
>> Registry. They need to be free, and continue with the status quo of
>> uncomplicated processes in obtaining address blocks. With the relatively
>> unlimited IPv6 space, the RIR processes could actually become a lot less
>> complicated.
>>
>> Static IPv4 addresses have been expensive for the end-user in India, hope
>> this will not be case with IPv6 address, on the present model of RIR - ISP
>> relationship, free of Government mediation. With continued freedom, could we
>> hope that the ISPs in India make it an automatic process for the end-users
>> to obtain static IPv6 user blocks for connecting their computers and other
>> devices, without bundling IP addresses with expensive bandwidth subscription
>> plans?
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>> India.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> There was a thread on India-GII discussing this.  Folks on this list
>>>> might find it of interest.
>>>>
>>>> The first post, by Suresh Ramasubramanian (who finds the Indian proposal
>>>> a ghastly idea):
>>>
>>> That's because it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/india-gii/2011-09/msg00121.html
>>>
>>> I will check it out, thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> McTim
>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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