[governance] Formal IGC response to IBSA proposal ahead of 18-19 Summit?

Wed Oct 12 09:46:07 EDT 2011

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is what I call an interesting case of a "Kansas city shuffle".
>
>
Hi Sala, sorry, I am unfamiliar with this reference.
What wikipedia told me did not help much:

Kansas City shuffle is a song by jazz pianist Bennie
Moten<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennie_Moten>.
It was recorded in 1926 in Chicago <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago>,
Illinois <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois> and released on the
Victor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_Records> record
label. The song refers to an advanced form of confidence
game<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_game> employing
misdirection, subterfuge, and playing on the
"mark<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_(victim)>'s"
arrogance and/or self-loathing. The relevance to a direction stated at the
beginning of a situation has no bearing to the outcome.

Therefore, if it was an important reaction to my message, I would like to
ask you to elaborate.

Thanks :)
Marília

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Rony and all,
>>
>> First, let's not mix-up topics. This thread began about Enhanced
>> cooperation. Not we are talking about IGF improvements. Two related, but
>> different things.
>>
>> With regards to IGF improvements, I really think we should avoid a
>> false-dichtomy: binding X non biding IGF. There is no one in the Working
>> Group on IGF improvements (or even here on the list, as far as I could
>> notice) that would like to change the nature of the IGF in order for it to
>> make decisions.
>>
>> What is being argued, briefly is:
>>
>> 1 - The outputs currently produced by the IGF (summary of the chair,
>> summaries by workshop organizers, IGF book) are valuable. However, they do
>> not serve as input for policy-making bodies, especially on the global level
>>  (ITU, UNESCO, WIPO, OECD, etc). Honestly, how many of us have stopped to
>> read workshop summaries?
>>
>> 2 - Because of that, many actors are proposing that the IGF produces more
>> concrete outcomes: that we map policy options (plural) that emerge from our
>> discussions. They should represent different views on an issue, but they
>> should also help to tackle a policy-problem by pointing out possible ways to
>> move forward. We have already started to move on that direction, when we
>> decided that main-sessions and workshops should be organized around
>> questions. These questions help us to stay focused on the problem and to
>> arrive in possible answers (policy options) for it.
>>
>> 3 - Improve communication: cluster and communicate the results of our
>> discussions (policy-options) to relevant bodies. Request for comments from
>> their side.
>>
>> Given the fact the the meeting of the working group on IGF improvements is
>> coming soon, it would be great it we could debate proposals that really are
>> on the table. Please, let's not waste any more time with biding x
>> non-binding IGF.
>>
>> For those who would like to have more information about the working group
>> on improvements, there is a website where all information is archived:
>> http://www.unctad.info/en/CstdWG/
>>
>> I would also recommend reading the proposal that has been advanced by
>> India, since it is very comprehensive on the issue of outcomes. It is a good
>> starting point for debate. You may want to see, especially, the annex that
>> summarizes the main points in the document:
>> http://www.unctad.info/upload/CSTD-IGF/Contributions/M1/India.pdf
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Marília
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:20 AM, <KovenRonald at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All --
>>>
>>> I don't see why IGF participants should have problems with IGF being the
>>> ultimate meeting-place for those interested in the development of the
>>> Internet, without serving as a decison-making body.
>>>
>>> Nobody seems to worry that Davos has no decision-making functions. It is
>>> nevertheless seen as an immensely useful forum.
>>>
>>> Everyone knew from the start what the IGF ground rules were.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rony Koven, World Press Freedom Committee
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>> To be removed from the list, visit:
>>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
>>>
>>> For all other list information and functions, see:
>>>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/
>>>
>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade
>> FGV Direito Rio
>>
>> Center for Technology and Society
>> Getulio Vargas Foundation
>> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> To be removed from the list, visit:
>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
>>
>> For all other list information and functions, see:
>>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/
>>
>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
>

-- 
Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade
FGV Direito Rio

Center for Technology and Society
Getulio Vargas Foundation
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/governance/attachments/20111012/ef1338db/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
     governance at lists.cpsr.org
To be removed from the list, visit:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing

For all other list information and functions, see:
     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/

Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t