[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?
Tina Dam
tinadam at gmail.com
Sat Nov 5 16:41:41 EDT 2011
Hi everybody, just letting you know that I signed up to your list and
look forward to constructive dialogue.
On the Bulgarian IDN ccTLD I likely will not be able to support a
letter, but I am happy to answer any questions or anything else I can
do to be helpful.
Tina
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To the extent possible, a statement regarding "mutual mistake of fact" is
> usually grounds to get out of a contract or deal or understanding, and into
> a new process or negotiation. It also allows both parties to save face, in
> that both have made a mistake. I am not familiar enough with the details of
> the communications and its history to know if this would possibly apply or
> not, but if there is some basis for it, I'd advocate serious consideration
> of making mutual mistake an element of a letter urging reconsideration of
> this (non)decision.
>
> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>
> 2011/11/5 Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this is a good idea. If we can create an IGC consensus letter
>> that
>>
>> a. discusses this issue
>> b. asks for a transparent review of the issue
>> c. asks for a general process by which any ICANN Staff decision on string
>> confusability have a method for transparent review and appeal.
>>
>> I do not think we need to recommend a solution, but we might recommend
>> policy considerations consistent with the Affirmation of Commitments that
>> would govern such a review and apeal.
>>
>> We might also want to copy the leadership of ALAC when the letter is sent
>> asking for their support of such an appeal mechanism.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2011, at 00:07, Ian Peter wrote:
>>
>> > Avri wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well there is a new Board now, with a new chair.
>> >> All they need to do is recognize the mistake and tell the staff to fix
>> >> it.
>> >> Takes a little courage, but a lot of people on that Board have courage.
>> >
>> > Perhaps a carefully drafted letter from this Caucus would be useful in
>> > this
>> > regard?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> >> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> >> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:58:57 -0400
>> >> To: IGC <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)
>> >> similar to
>> >> other Latin ccTLDs?
>> >>
>> >> Well there is a new Board now, with a new chair.
>> >> All they need to do is recognize the mistake and tell the staff to fix
>> >> it.
>> >> Takes a little courage, but a lot of people on that Board have courage.
>> >>
>> >> avri
>> >>
>> >> On 4 Nov 2011, at 03:16, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 03.11.11 18:31, Paul Lehto wrote:
>> >>>> It would seem that there either is, or should be, a process to "call
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> question" as they say in parliamentary procedure. If not, a motion
>> >>>> can be
>> >>>> made for a decision, or a letter sent citing undue delay and calling
>> >>>> for a
>> >>>> decision (with or without additional clarifying expertise appended to
>> >>>> it). A
>> >>>> person familiar with whatever exists in terms of procedure can
>> >>>> recommend the
>> >>>> best format or vehicle for forcing a decision.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There is no formal process to question the outcome of the IDN Fast
>> >>> Track
>> >>> applications. By definition, the only possible communication is
>> >>> between ICANN
>> >>> "staff" (whatever that means) and the original applicant. Ironically,
>> >>> even
>> >>> that country's Government does not have formal way to communicate with
>> >>> ICANN
>> >>> on the matter.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nevertheless, we are exploring every available possibility for some 18
>> >>> months
>> >>> now, to understand why this situation continues to persist. ICANN
>> >>> staff are
>> >>> very wary of any such discussions and I perfectly understand their
>> >>> position.
>> >>> More so, that the principal that handled this case, Tina Dam, is no
>> >>> longer
>> >>> with ICANN.
>> >>> My understanding is that ICANN now recognizes they made a mistake. But
>> >>> they
>> >>> not only made the mistake to accept blindli this "expert opinion".
>> >>> They also
>> >>> made the mistake to make several statements already to the effect that
>> >>> "this
>> >>> is it, accept it or go away". Therefore, the problem at the moment is
>> >>> how
>> >>> ICANN admits their mistake and how they go out of the rising political
>> >>> problem.
>> >>> I have made many proposals on how to address this, but this has been
>> >>> slow
>> >>> process.. Nobody has given up anyway and it now seems inevitable
>> >>> things will
>> >>> go on a more global and more politicized forums.
>> >>>
>> >>> Daniel
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