[governance] IGF plus IGC + only members list.
Katitza Rodriguez
katitza at eff.org
Sun May 22 12:11:11 EDT 2011
The U.N should not get involved on how we decided to organize ourselves.
This should be solely our decision.
Business sector, government entities, International organizations and
technical community, each of them have their own "internal" decision
making processes to comply with their own transparency rules, consensus
positions, etc.
According to Jeannette, this list is not only a IGC list but has a
second objective.. .. this is what I am trying to understand now.
All the best, Katitza
On 5/22/11 6:00 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> Thanks for quick response,
> That's true.
>
> This is because they are only Multi Stake Holder's Group who is inside IGF.
>
> System does not provide them guidelines/mendate to share their activity or strategy among those who are out of their closed circle.
> Even their meetings are closed.
>
> Individually, they have good gentleman personalities and representations but
> Lacking of information sharing is a fault of the structure of the system of forum.
>
> For example, when IGC member's statement is prepared, all the members of the mailing list (which is open to public) can give their arguments and know the every point. And finally when the statement is signed through a common survey, it is up loaded for the public (general user of the internet).
> Do they have any such mechanism?
>
> I would suggest that IGC should write a letter to Secretary General UN.
>
> Regards
>
> Imran Ahmed Shah
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:29 PKT Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> Hi Imran,
>>
>> The issue here is not lack of transparency. Here is lack of information.
>> We do not know a priori which will be the arguments of other
>> stakeholders prior to the meeting while they do know most of all our
>> concerns. All the best, Katitza
>>
>> On 5/22/11 2:17 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>>> Dear Izumi,
>>> I agree with you, however I could not understand that which type of strategies is being referred by Katiza which is hidden between members or coordinators.
>>>
>>> Openness& transparency may not allow us to have any hidden agenda.
>>>
>>> If we are asked to provide IGC Members list, its easy. If we are asked to indicate IGC+MAG members, I would suggest to indicate those IGC members who become MAG members after joining IGC, similarly those MAG members who also joined IGC.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Imran Ahmed Shah
>>>
>>> On Sun, 22 May 2011 13:18 PKT Izumi AIZU wrote:
>>>
>>>> As one of the co-coordinators, I would like to respond briefly to the request
>>>> or suggestion Katitza made about the need for creating a new, CS-only list.
>>>>
>>>> As already indicated here, there are pros and cons for this.
>>>> If there is enough support to go for voting, then, yes, it will be the
>>>> coordinators responsibility to open for such voting.
>>>>
>>>> I like to see how many are explicitly in favor of creating this new list and
>>>> how many are not so, but before doing so, please express your reactions
>>>> first on the current list.
>>>>
>>>> izumi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I also would like to call attention to the fact that this list is open to
>>>>> other stakeholders including public authorities, government officials,
>>>>> technical community, and business sector representatives. Therefore, members
>>>>> need to understand that MAG members have a very difficult task to share
>>>>> strategies in a public list. Any public strategy that we can share here, can
>>>>> always harm our collective efforts in spaces where disclosing your strategy
>>>>> in advance is a big problem and can harm our work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to ask the coordinators to create a list for IGC-only members
>>>>> that is close to their members. In that way, civil society MAG members will
>>>>> be able to provide a better report after the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Katitza
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>>>> >> Izumi Aizu<<
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>>>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
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