[governance] Merger of workshop "Reflection on theIndianproposal towards an IGF 2.0"

Adam Peake ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Thu May 12 11:58:39 EDT 2011 

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will be going to the meetings.
>
> We have the workshop scoring activity underway already and it ends at
> the end of this week.
>
> I am focusing on IG4D Workshops.
>
> IGC really needs to work with its MAG representatives on issues of interest.
>

You have that the wrong way round.

MAG representatives really need to work with the IGC.

When nominated everyone made promises to consult, inform, etc.  It's
not been happening.

Adam
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> Sorry for the short reply...travelling.....!
>
> Fouad
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM,  <katitza at eff.org> wrote:
>> I'm going through all the workshops, one by one to be ready for the MAG.
>> However during the meeting, we might divided the work by themes. I will be
>> working in the SOP workshops.
>>
>> If there are other workshops that are well done (ie touching the key and hot
>> policy issues) that require highly attention, let me know so I do not miss
>> it! Katitza.
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: katitza at eff.org
>> Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:41:10 +0000
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Marilia Maciel<mariliamaciel at gmail.com>;
>> Norbert Bollow<nb at bollow.ch>
>> ReplyTo: governance at lists.cpsr.org,katitza at eff.org
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Merger of workshop "Reflection on the
>> Indianproposal towards an IGF 2.0"
>> Thanks. I'm going to Geneva for the MAG meeting (thanks to APC support). I
>> will take care of the workshops. I haven't been following the list in the
>> last few weeks. Any update about the main concerns from IGC that I should
>> make sure to defend, please let me know.
>>
>> All the best, Katitza.
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>> Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:59:54 -0300
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Norbert Bollow<nb at bollow.ch>
>> ReplyTo: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Merger of workshop "Reflection on the Indian
>> proposal towards an IGF 2.0"
>>
>> Like Jeremy said, the reasons are difficult to speculate. I believe that our
>> main concern should be if the merger is in the best interest of our
>> proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Two points I made in the meeting yesterday were that we should not do a
>> revival of CSTD WG (go through all topics in a superficial manner without
>> reaching any conclusions) and we should not focus on procedural issues (ex:
>> CSTD WG x MAG as a way of improving the IGF). These are the two potential
>> shortcomings of the proposals advanced, respectively, by the business sector
>> and the technical community, in my view.
>>
>>
>>
>> A merger should not make us lose our focus. Using indian proposal as a
>> starting point to discuss topics in-depth could help us ventilate ideas,
>> reach a clear understanding and exorcise some ghosts that hunt IGF’s closet
>> for a while, such as the fear of more concrete outcomes.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only possibility I see for a merger would be that we have a longer
>> workshop, with half of it dedicated to a “setting the scene” and an overview
>> of the main issues advanced in CSTD WG (that seems to be the core of the
>> proposal from the business sector) and the other half would be dedicated to
>> focus on the topics covered by Indian proposal. But I don’t know if that
>> would be acceptable to the other groups and I am not convinced this would be
>> in the best interest of our proposal in the end, but only a move driven by
>> political considerations.
>>
>>
>>
>> In any case, we should just be aware that if we do not merge, other groups
>> will probably try to impinge us with the political burden of
>> non-cooperation. We cannot let this stick. There are always several IGF
>> workshops on NN, youth, etc. So why there can’t be 2 or 3 workshops on IGF
>> improvement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Marília
>>
>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>> > On 12/05/11 16:53, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>> > > Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>>> > >> The ICC/BASIS and ISOC were invited to participate in our workshop,
>>> > >> "Reflection on the Indian proposal towards an IGF 2.0".  Instead,
>>> > >> they
>>> > >> responded by proposing competing workshops of their own and
>>> > >> suggesting
>>> >
>>> > >> that the three be merged.
>>> > > Is their motivation for choosing this course of action known?
>>> > >
>>> > > How do their perspectives on workshop outcomes compare to the
>>> > > desires of Marilia and yourself?
>>> >
>>> > A summary was sent around privately after the teleconference, but we
>>> > have been requested not to repost it.  Anyway, my notes of the
>>> > teleconference include a lot of catch-phrases like "holistic dialogue",
>>> > "all-encompassing", "general debate", "range of ideas"... as opposed to
>>> > the much more focused agenda for our workshop.  I'm not sure how much
>>> > more I can say about their motivations or perspectives, but it is not
>>> > difficult to speculate.
>>>
>>> Ok, given that there has been plenty of holistic dialogue and general
>>> debate on the all-encompassing range of ideas already, I'd strongly
>>> support sticking to the "much more focused agenda" that Marilia and
>>> you have in mind. It's IMO not a bad thing to have two workshops on
>>> the same topic if the two workshops differ significantly in how they
>>> approach the topic, provided they're not scheduled to both take place
>>> at the same time. IGF participants are then free to attend one or the
>>> other or both. (I personally certainly won't be found attending the
>>> non-focused one, but nevertheless I think that there's nothing wrong
>>> with some groups wanting to organize another opportunity for a broad
>>> debate for those who wish to participate in that.)
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Norbert
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