[governance] cross-border IG issues

Fouad Bajwa fouadbajwa at gmail.com
Sat Jan 22 04:36:47 EST 2011


Yeup, shows single country control chaos!

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On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> Jovan’s article on this is well worth reading
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> http://deepdip.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/after-the-deluge-internet-governance-in-the-aftermath-of-wikileaks/
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> From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:54:22 +0530
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
> Subject: Re: [governance] cross-border IG issues
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> Adam Peake wrote:
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> This has nothing to do with Internet architecture. The US's demands are
> based on Twitter being a US registered company, nothing to do with the
> Internet per se.
>
> I mean the whole socio-technical architecture of the Internet. It is a
> mistake, at least from its overall governance and socio-political
> implications points of view, to see the Internet merely as a technical
> system. My statement is in the context of the larger view of what is
> Internet governance, and the Internet's socio-political architecture and its
> power nodes - in the present case, the extra-ordinary control that the US
> gov has over it relative to any other body.
>
> BTW, this is an interesting discussion. Defining what is the Internet,
> before we define IG. A narrow definition of IG as basically dealing with
> Internet's technical architecture as against a broader one signifying a new
> techno-social system, is behind many a misunderstandings and
> mis-communications that often arise in discussion on this list.
>
> For instance, when I may underscore the need for new global policy
> institutions that could ensure greater egalitarianism in Internet's
> development in terms of its social, economic and political impact, McTim
> would generally respond by exhorting us to put aside such idle talk and come
> and participate in places where the 'actual IG' takes place.
>
> Adam, I am completely in disagreement with you that this has nothing to do
> with Internet per se. For me, and to most people, Internet is also google,
> facebook, twitter, online forums of resistance and the such... It is not
> just the IP protocol, DNS, registries and such kind of stuff.
>
> The fact that all the above mega corporates, as well as ICANN itself, are as
> you say are companies registered in the US is a huge IG issue. I dont want
> my personal data to be accessed by anyone without my consent. And if
> exceptional conditions of possible involvement in a crime etc are involved I
> would have it handled only by a body/ authority  in whose constitution I
> have a democratic role, which regrettably is not the case with the US gov.
>
> Parminder
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>
> FWIW (not worth much :-)) most of Twitter's Internet architecture is run by
> a Japanese company, NTT.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
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> Read below to see another instance of how some countries are more equal than
> others owing to the manner in which the global Internet architecture and its
> power nodes are structured today..... It should hardly be surprising that
> most 'other' countries are rather concerned about this asymmetry  and
> concentration of global IG power.
>
> <http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/10/3110066.htm?section=justin>http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/10/3110066.htm?section=justin
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> US pursuit of WikiLeaks triggers diplomatic spat
> By Jennifer Macey
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> Updated Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:43pm AEDT
>
>  The US has subpoenaed Twitter to release information from five accounts in
> its investigation of WikiLeaks (AFP: Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
>
> AUDIO: Iceland furious over US subpoena of Twitter accounts (PM)
> RELATED STORY: US orders Twitter to disclose WikiLeaks records
> The Icelandic government has summoned the US ambassador to explain why the
> US is seeking personal information from the Twitter account of an Icelandic
> MP.
>
> The US has subpoenaed Twitter to release information from five accounts -
> including those of the MP and a Dutch computer programmer - in its
> investigation of whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.
>
> Legal experts say because Twitter is registered in the US, the company may
> be obliged to hand over the information.
>
> The American ambassador to Reykjavik, Luis Arreaga, has been summoned for a
> meeting at Iceland's foreign ministry.
>
> He has been asked to explain why US officials want the Twitter account
> details of an Icelandic MP.
>
> Iceland's interior minister, Ogmundur Jonasson, says the request is not
> being taken lightly.
>
> "It is very serious that a foreign state, the United States, demands such
> personal information of an Icelandic person, an elected official," he said.
>
> "This is even more serious when put into perspective and concerns freedom of
> speech and people's freedom in general."
>
> Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir is one of five Twitter accounts that have
> been subpoenaed by the US Justice Department.
>
> Although she is a former WikiLeaks collaborator, she denies she has anything
> to hide.
>
> "Not at all, that's not what this is all about. This is about a certain
> principle," she said.
>
> "Here we have a government that is demanding a privately-owned company to
> give up personal data.
>
> "I have not done anything that can be considered criminal. It's not against
> the law to leak information, it's not against the law to be a source, it's
> not against the law to publish this information.
>
> "The information in question is about crimes committed by the United States
> government."
>
> Along with Ms Jonsdottir, the US Justice Department sought information from
> four other Twitter accounts.
>
> The WikiLeaks account, Dutch computer programmer Rop Gonggrijp, American
> programmer Jacob Appelbaum, and the account of Private First Class Bradley
> Manning, the US army intelligence analyst accused of leaking the classified
> cables,
>
> Dr Ben Saul, the director of the Sydney Centre for International Law at
> Sydney University, says US officials can issue a subpoena against non-US
> citizens if the company holding that information is registered in the US.
>
> "It certainly does seem that the US is exploring all avenues available to it
> through its domestic law," he said.
>
> "Obviously the US itself has no law enforcement power in Europe or in
> Australia, so what they're obviously trying to do is to obtain the
> information by going after records held by companies which operate in the
> US, which are subject to US law.
>
> "Citizenship doesn't really matter here. The relevant question is, is there
> illegal conduct happening?
>
> "The real question is how will other countries react, you know, will other
> governments try to do things to shut down this kind of investigation?"
>
> The order issued by the US District Court of Virginia on December 14 gave
> Twitter three days to release the information, including user names,
> addresses, connection records, telephone numbers and bank details.
>
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