[governance] on Observers at MAG meeting

Fouad Bajwa fouadbajwa at gmail.com
Thu Feb 24 17:51:43 EST 2011 

Hi Marilia, 


I feel that yours as well as participation of others from igc was very useful and complemented our interventions......thank you all...

Fouad Bajwa
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On 25 Feb 2011, at 03:08, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not sure I understood your comment:
> Perhaps MAG meetings work better when there are not so many observers?
> 
> I have been to many open consultations but this is my first MAG meeting and although I believe it is odd  that people who are there with ideas could not speak their minds, I wonder if allowing observers to speak would not bring prejudice to multistakeholder equilibrium in the MAG. It would give the  ones that have more facility to be in geneva more voice and more power. Of course, people who had the status of advisers are a different story.
> 
> But anyway the fact that observers could not speak on the mic today did not mean they stayed quiet. There were Skype and Gtalk messages flying all around and some ideas from observers came through and were spoken by MAG members. This silent presence did have an impact.
> 
> I would like to hear MAG members opinions on this question as well, but my logic tells me that transparency and increased chance for accountability puts pressure for MAG members to work better... Doesn't it?
> 
> Marilia
> 
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
> Clarification below McTim:
> 
> On 24/02/11 20:33, McTim wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
> >> I would hope that the MAG tries to distill the inputs from the written
> >> submissions, and the open consultation.
> >>
> >> I am not quite sure that is what happened today.
> >>
> >> My other observations, as an observer, are:
> >>
> >> * The MAG should make use of small group discussions who make proposals
> >> on content and themes, with these groups then coming back into plenary
> >>
> >> * The technical community and the private sector is extremely well
> >> prepared and organised, and, in attendance. Therefore they are the most
> >> influential group by far in the MAG.
> >>
> >> * Civil society members of the MAG are doing their best, but battling.
> >>
> >> * Civil society is prepared in that people have proposals, text and
> >> ideas, but is not well organised on site and not prepared for effective
> >> participation in the meeting.
> >>
> >> * Government participation is very limited... with good efforts from
> >> Brazil, India and a handful of northern governments.
> >>
> >> * There are some MAG members who don't participate at all. Why are they
> >> there?
> >>
> >> * It is not a very developing country or civil society friendly space.
> >>
> >> * I think the private sector and the technical community should reflect
> >> on their strategies
> >
> >
> > What is their strategy(ies)?
> 
> Would be good if people from tech community and business can respond
> themselves.
> >
> >
> > ... they work in the short term, but will they work
> >> in the long term?  They feed into the criticism of the IGF from certain
> >> governments which, whatever our view of it may be, is not conducive to
> >> making this process achieve its goals. Their withdrawal from the process
> >> makes it less and less valuable for those of us who need to and want to
> >> work with/challenge our governments to deal with basic internet access,
> >> regulation, openness etc. issues.
> >
> >
> > How are they withdrawing if they "extremely well
> >  prepared and organised, and, in attendance. Therefore they are the
> > most influential group by far in the MAG."
> >
> Two different 'theys'.
> 
> It is governments that are withdrawing, or have withdrawn. Some have
> never really participated. I was not referring to the business and tech
> community.
> 
> Personally I am really critical of governments who don't participate.
> Kenya was the only African government that, as the host, made an effort
> to comment on the IGF programme.
> 
> I believe they should work inside the IGF space.
> 
> But their lack of participation also weakens the IGF and the IGF's
> legitimacy and impact.
> 
> My point was, that, sitting in a MAG meeting, I really empathise with
> developing country governments... it is not easy to make an impact, or
> get your points across. If English is not your first language, and you
> don't have very well though out positions it is even harder.
> 
> Perhaps MAG meetings work better when there are not so many observers?
> What do MAG members think?
> 
> Anriette
> 
> 
> > ??
> >
> 
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