[governance] MAG meeting

Izumi AIZU iza at anr.org
Thu Feb 24 05:57:43 EST 2011 

I was ready to confine myself as "observer" meaning giving more
role to the MAG members, but still wanted to make "minimal"
comments when we feel appropriate and Chair also recognizes so.

Same goes true for remote participation - as the transcription is fed
live globally, why can't we take comments from online participants
in a similar manner, being coordinated by coordinator.

I can also stay here and submit comments online, and let the
Secretariat or Chair to pick-up these online comments as appropriate.

Just making f2f meeting and not taking other means is bit hard to
accept.

izumi

2011/2/24 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>:
> Parminder, there is no chair, how can there be chair's advisors? Not
> everything is about you, relax please.
>
> We should be in an open MAG meeting.  The first time the MAG met
> without its mandate being renewed  was 3  or 4 years ago (I was still
> a member, or "non-member" depending on how we can confusingly refer to
> the title :-)) and I remember all in the room were able to speak. You
> were there and you spoke and it was an important precedent for the
> evolution of the MAG and process.  That openness is what we should be
> enjoying this morning. That we are not is a problem, the process has
> moved back to how we started in 2005.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM,  <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>> When the MAG assembled in the morning today, the secretariat asked MAG
>> members to sit in the middle and observers on the sides, so that they knew
>> who is who.
>>
>> Normally, MAG members have been liberally interpreted to include Special
>> Advisors. And special advisors have till now largely meant that there were
>> a few more civil society members in the room. At this point, Adam
>> pointedly asked the status of Special Advisors in regard of who sits
>> where, which was obviously to be connected to speaking rights during the
>> meeting. The secretariat, in the form of Chengetai, answered that since
>> there is no chair there are no advisors to the chair. Which may be a
>> little unsure interpretation. In fact there is even no MAG  today, as even
>> Chris Disspain said during the meeting without being challenged by the
>> secretariat or the chair. Things are rather informal. BTW, Chair advisors
>> are like all other positions attached to a position not a person, in the
>> same way that MAG may not disappear simply if for some reason the UN
>> secretary general remits his position suddenly. These kind of things can
>> be very disruptive and that is why things continue till alternative
>> arrangements are made. So, in the same way, since there was some kind of
>> chair-ship of today's meeting, there would informally continue to the
>> special advisors doing the same role as earlier. As i said, everything is
>> more than a bit fuzzy and a bit informal at present.
>>
>> So, Adam, I really do not understand what made you put Hartmut, Wolfgang
>> and me (and Jovan if he is to come in) out of circulation during the
>> meeting today. Any specific reason or strategy behind it? I understand
>> that all these are political events and situations, and our responses are
>> always political (and not just 'technical) and contextual. So I was
>> wondering what prompted you to do what you did (esp when some of IGC
>> members have actually been seeking that CSTD WGIGF should allow CS reps
>> also to take in advisors, basically the effort is to get into the room and
>> participate in all ways one can)
>>
>> I dont mind it too much though personally:).  Kind of used to it. Happens
>> in political work but one knows that this kind of thing goes with a civil
>> society advocacy role.. Just in the last meeting I was told by Markus that
>> this was primarily a discussion among MAG members, and therefore , well,
>> to be blunt,  to basically shut up. I may remind you, Adam, and others in
>> the IGC, that before I accepted the Advisor's position, I wrote to Nitin
>> and Markus giving my understanding of the Advisor role, which including
>> speaking up, and I was specifically told that my understanding was right.
>> I did share my letter, and also if I remember right, Markus's response to
>> my letter, with the IGC, since at that time I was IGC co-coordinator,
>> before I accepted the position. I have also, at least once, been told off
>> by a technical community MAG member on the MAG list that it is MAG members
>> views that count (and by implication special advisor's doesnt).
>>
>> But I wasnt expecting a CS member to do something like this, in a context
>> where he clearly knew the exact and specific outcomes - that three or four
>> of the very few CS members in the room will not be able to speak in the
>> MAG meeting. Any explanations, Adam?
>>
>> Parminder
>>
>>
>>
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