[governance] Your support for a petition

Mawaki Chango kichango at gmail.com
Mon Feb 21 14:12:21 EST 2011 

Carlos, I just spat my coffee because of you...

OK, then why ICANN cannot make the objection process free of charge for
govts, or even nonprofit/ community-based entities of a sort (not business
associations.) I'm just thinking out loud here, with no prior vetting.

Or maybe GAC members should pay some duties, not to ICANN but to their own
treasury and contract their own agent to carry the objection process without
paying anything to ICANN directly... Do they need treaties for dues to
external entities? Please note: I'm not advocating any solution here... sort
of brainstorming.

Mawaki

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> Pretty tight corner actually :)
>
> [] frat
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 02/21/2011 03:51 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > That is why
> >
> > a.  a governement should be able to initiate the objection process on its
> own.
> > b. the injured community should be able to initiate the 'this harms our
> community' objection
> >
> > And the fact that the application might be made by someone with
> indefinitely large bags of power-money  is one reason I broke from my
> NCUC/ALAC Brothers and Sisters (-: NABS) on accepting the role of the
> Independent Objector, as long as what she did was not done in secret and had
> to have a named objecting party. I.e I think the IO is a good proposal, it
> has just been designed badly.
> >
> > Carlos, I thank you for sticking to your corner and allowing all these
> nuances to be discussed.
> >
> > a.
> >
> > On 21 Feb 2011, at 18:40, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >
> >> I entirely agree on the free expression grounds, but recall that there
> >> might be applications whose proposed TLDs might represent a perceived
> >> conflict with a community or gov on identification grounds (eg, a
> >> cultural heritage space etc). Recall also that 99% of the proposals will
> >> be from business (with plenty of $$$ to go over the entire process and
> >> take on the risks), and on the other side there might be a completely
> >> underpowered community of local gov or...
> >>
> >> I do not want to close the door on these possibilities.
> >>
> >> frt rgds
> >>
> >> --c,a,
> >>
> >> On 02/21/2011 02:26 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 21 Feb 2011, at 18:03, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So, as I said, govs will always have the right (as any other
> community)
> >>>> to *request* a veto -- BTW, govs being or not part of the GAC.
> >>>
> >>> I am assuming 'request a veto' == 'file an objection'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And that is one of the sticking points at this juncture as I understand
> it.  And what follows is just my understanding, which could be very flawed
> as we are talking about governments and there is a lot about governments I
> just don't understand.
> >>>
> >>> As the current revision of the new gTLD guidebook is written (AGV5), a
> government needs to pay a fee to a private corporation in order to raise an
> objection just like anyone else.
> >>>
> >>> Seems fair, but ...
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately for sovereignty reasons i don't fully appreciate, though
> I am told it is so by many, governments can't pay a fee to a private US
> corporation in order to participate in an objection process on issues they
> believe are counter to their national policy, law or culture.  Since ICANN
> did not accept the REC6 recommendation that governments should be able to
> file an objection for free (with the concomitant ability of the applicant to
> respond for free) they had to find another mechanism.  By operationalizing
> the GAC and allowing it to veto based on its consensus position, they felt
> they had a mechanism that achieved their purposes.
> >>>
> >>> Of course the idea that a single government or even the consensus of
> all governments could stifle free expressions with a veto is an outrage from
> my perspective.  That is why I signed the petition.
> >>>
> >>> I also think that perhaps there are aspects of this the DOC just did
> not consider.  E.g as one brilliant friend pointed out to me, by having the
> ability to veto any gTLD application, the GAC gains the responsibility of
> having given an implicit approval of all gTLDS it did not veto - i.e. the
> omission of a veto is approval with everything that might entail about
> national law and citizen attitudes and approval.
> >>>
> >>> This policy, if accepted, could be a real mess for the very governments
> who want it, besides being repugnant.
> >>>
> >>> a.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PS. as for vaccines against the suffering caused by a pretty primitive
> understanding of politics, i do not think there is any cure, but there may
> be palliatives available in places as liberated as California.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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