From daniel at digsys.bg  Thu Dec  1 08:31:43 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:31:43 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=E1?=
 =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?=E3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
Message-ID: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>

Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod 
Beckstrom had to say about the issue.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438

Daniel
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Thu Dec  1 09:38:19 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:38:19 +0100
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
Message-ID: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>

Dear all,
This is a proposal by the Russian Federation in the Advisory Committee
on Enforcement at WIPO that has implications on Internet governance.
Would civil society organizations be in a position to oppose this via
their countries?  I'm speaking out against this right now in the
committee when NGOs are given a chance to speak.


> PROPOSAL FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
> Submitted to the Secretariat on August 9, 2011
> 
> The Federal Service for Intellectual Property (ROSPATENT) proposes the following issues for future consideration:
> 
> 1. Online infringement of copyright and measures to combat it, especially when it comes to cross-border cases of infringement;
> 
> 2. The impact of enforcement mechanisms adjusted in other countries in order to tackle piracy, especially in the field of P2P technologies;
> 
> 3. Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel import”.

Regards,
Pranesh

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Programme Manager
Centre for Internet and Society
W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283

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From anriette at apc.org  Thu Dec  1 10:25:06 2011
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:25:06 +0200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [AfriNIC-announce] Alice Munuya Winner of the
 NI&I Service Award!!
In-Reply-To: <4ED580B2.4050806@cafonso.ca>
References: <4ED39334.3070005@afrinic.net> <CACAaNxjWdDpHPv4YZb-AnZ0EeK84KXroWoDHany7LOrY_L-b_g@mail.gmail.com> <4ED580B2.4050806@cafonso.ca>
Message-ID: <4ED79C52.3030900@apc.org>

Congratulations Alice!  This is really fantastic news..and definitely
well deserved.. and it makes all of us at APC really proud.

Anriette


On 30/11/11 03:02, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> Wow, really wonderful news! Well, well deserved, Alice!
> 
> frt rgds
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 11/28/2011 12:07 PM, McTim wrote:
>> FYI:
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Babusha Radhakissoon <babusha at afrinic.net>
>> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:57 PM
>> Subject: [AfriNIC-announce] Alice Munuya Winner of the NI&I Service Award!!
>> To: announce at afrinic.net
>>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Please see herewith the press release for the 2011 NI&I Service Award,
>> for your perusal.
>>
>> "Alice Munuya awarded the 2011 NI&I Service Award "
>>
>> Yaounde, 25 November 2011 - The 3rd Network Information and
>> Infrastructure Service Award has been awarded to Alice Munuya in
>> recognition to her contribution to improving and sustaining Africa's
>> Internet community. Dr. Nii Quaynor conveyor of AfNOG presented the
>> Award during AfriNIC 15th Public Policy Meeting in Yaounde, Cameroon
>> on 22 November 2011.
>>
>> For Dr. Nii, Quaynor the initiator of the Award, "Recognising Alice is
>> for us a way to highlight the importance of the civil society and
>> government's contribution to the growth of our local community. We are
>> at a stage where we need to build a more coherent and strong
>> multistakeholder community in order to address our current challenges
>> to build a brighter future for Internet in Africa "
>>
>> Alice is Kenya's representative on the Internet Corporation for
>> Assigned Names and Numbers Government Advisory Committee (ICANN, GAC)
>> and the chair of the 2011 UN-Internet Governance Forum (IGF) held in
>> Kenya in September 2011 and convenes the East Africa Internet
>> Governance Forum and the Kenya ICT Action Network (Kictanet). "For me,
>> this award is a tribute to my work and contribution at the regional
>> level, a great recognition from my role model and peers in the region.
>> I have been dedicated to creating awareness and understanding in order
>> to ensure that our region contributes meaningfully in global internet
>> governance and policy processes and hope to continue to do so as
>> internet governance becomes more and more significant." says Alice
>> Munyua.
>>
>> Besides the main NI&I Award, a Young professional Award was also given
>> to Jean Robert Hountomey for his continuous contribution to the
>> internet technical community. Jean Robert has a passion for
>> Information Systems Security and is engaged in the community as track
>> leader of the African network Operator Group French Track, ICANN
>> Address Supporting Organization/ Address Council member for AfriNIC
>> region from 2005 to December 2011, Chair of Internet Society Chapter
>> in Togo, former member of Internet Exchange point Team. He is
>> currently performing the coordination function of the AfricaCERT
>> initiative.
>>
>> "I'm very happy and proud to welcome both Alice and Jean-Robert as
>> NI&I Award alumni. It is hard to miss Alice Munuya's effort in
>> promoting a bottom-up and participative Internet Governance culture in
>> our region." says Adiel Akplogan, CEO of AfriNIC and recipient of the
>> first NI&I Service Award.
>>
>> The Network Information & Infrastructure (NI&I) Service Award was
>> instituted in 2009 during AfNOG's 10 years anniversary by Dr Nii Narku
>> Quaynor, who himself received the Internet Society's prestigious
>> Jonathan Postel Award in 2007 for his service in the region and
>> example of dedication, commitment and leadership for the young
>> generation to emulate. The NI&I Service Award has been set up to
>> reward individuals and organisations for providing Internetworking
>> services and Infrastructure in Africa. The NI&I Service Award pays
>> tribute to the actors of this sector in Africa and the Indian Ocean
>> and sets the foundation to reward the next generation of heroes and
>> models from the African Internet technical community for their
>> achievements. www.niiserviceaward.org
>>
>> The African Network Information Centre (AfriNIC) is the Regional
>> Registry for Internet Number Resources for Africa. Based in Mauritius,
>> AfriNIC's mission is to support Internet development in Africa and
>> promote bottom up Internet policy development in the region.
>> www.afrinic.net
>>
>> The Africa Network Operators Group (AfNOG) is a forum for the exchange
>> of technical information, and aims to promote discussion of
>> implementation issues that require community cooperation through
>> coordination and cooperation among network service providers to ensure
>> the stability of service to end users.The goal of AfNOG is to share
>> experience of technical challenges in setting up, building and running
>> IP networks on the African continent www.afnog.org
>>
>> Regards,
>> The AfriNIC Meeting Team
>>
>> AfriNIC | 11th Floor| Raffles Tower | Cybercity | Mauritius
>> Tel: +230 403 5100 |Fax: +230 466 6758
>>
>> Join us at AfriNIC-15 in Cameroon, 19-25 November 2011
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> announce mailing list
>> announce at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/announce
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From nhklein at gmx.net  Thu Dec  1 10:59:21 2011
From: nhklein at gmx.net (nhklein)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:59:21 +0700
Subject: [governance] =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_?=
 =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?=2E=E1=E3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>
References: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>
Message-ID: <4ED7A459.1070900@gmx.net>

On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod 
> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438
>
> Daniel

Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global 
communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *

"The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that 
are developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow 
the initial application to go through because of potential visual 
confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose 
what they want to apply for."


Norbert

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...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
http://www.thinking21.org/

continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.

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From anriette at apc.org  Thu Dec  1 11:05:54 2011
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:05:54 +0200
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
In-Reply-To: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>
References: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <4ED7A5E2.2020207@apc.org>

Dear Pranesh

Will you have a written response we can use?

Are any other governments opposing this?

Anriette



On 01/12/11 16:38, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> Dear all,
> This is a proposal by the Russian Federation in the Advisory Committee
> on Enforcement at WIPO that has implications on Internet governance.
> Would civil society organizations be in a position to oppose this via
> their countries?  I'm speaking out against this right now in the
> committee when NGOs are given a chance to speak.
> 
> 
>> PROPOSAL FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
>> Submitted to the Secretariat on August 9, 2011
>>
>> The Federal Service for Intellectual Property (ROSPATENT) proposes the following issues for future consideration:
>>
>> 1. Online infringement of copyright and measures to combat it, especially when it comes to cross-border cases of infringement;
>>
>> 2. The impact of enforcement mechanisms adjusted in other countries in order to tackle piracy, especially in the field of P2P technologies;
>>
>> 3. Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel import”.
> 
> Regards,
> Pranesh
> 

-- 
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From jcurran at arin.net  Thu Dec  1 14:36:24 2011
From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:36:24 +0000
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
In-Reply-To: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>
References: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <90F4C027-E15B-4E18-9525-DC2085FD16D6@corp.arin.net>

For those from environments where 'IP' does not mean Intellectual Property, is there a simple definition of “parallel import” available somewhere?

Thanks!
/John

On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> wrote:

>> 3. Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel import”.
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From jcurran at istaff.org  Thu Dec  1 16:55:42 2011
From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:55:42 -0500
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
In-Reply-To: <90F4C027-E15B-4E18-9525-DC2085FD16D6@corp.arin.net>
References: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org> <90F4C027-E15B-4E18-9525-DC2085FD16D6@corp.arin.net>
Message-ID: <26B18D68-A526-432C-BB5F-F6139AD97104@istaff.org>

All set now... Found web capable Internet connectivity 
and then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import

/John

On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:36 PM, John Curran wrote:

> For those from environments where 'IP' does not mean Intellectual Property, is there a simple definition of “parallel import” available somewhere?
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org> wrote:
> 
>>> 3. Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel import”.

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From pouzin at well.com  Thu Dec  1 17:04:15 2011
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 23:04:15 +0100
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks Internet spy maps
Message-ID: <CA+EjHYq2sJEMUbw2KYfiROfJZt16E=2jeFP=x1wCrLMSW_Kh=Q@mail.gmail.com>

New WikiLeaks 'spy files' show global surveillance industry

http://watch.spyfiles.org/
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 17:30:45 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 00:30:45 +0200
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
Message-ID: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com>

[The only difference now being we cannot really pretend these 
"omissions" on liberty are not there... from Apple's oops we did not 
know it was turned on, Google's drive-by piracy of WiFi data compiling 
Streetview or the US War on Terror grab of ALL SWIFT international 
financial transaction data... the net must be free, and there is so much 
of fiddling of deckchairs on the titanic... and meanwhile the arguments 
faced while these kinds of things were happening was "if it aint broke, 
don't fix it" (i.e. governance of critical internet resources and more!) 
and perhaps this will simply take a new guise....or perhaps not... if as 
Lessig said, technological choices (+stds) are effectively regulation 
then the scope of struggle is much larger... time to revisit my 
Parminder, Geist and Mueller on this especially as the reintier class 
seeks to reinvigorate controls in the name of preventing piracy while 
the weapons of mass distraction are deployed to ensure Big Brother makes 
some people more equal than others... of course this may just be 
conspiracy theory junk, right?]

The Big Brother is everywhere now
Hasan Suroor
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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during a news conference in central 
London, on Thursday.
AP WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during a news conference in central 
London, on Thursday.

“How many of you here have an iPhone, a Blackberry or any other mobile 
device?'' WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange asked surveying a hall full 
of people at the City University here on Thursday. As hand after hand 
went up, he told them that everyone of them, irrespective of what kind 
of mobile device they carried, was a potential target of spying.

This was how stark the threat from a booming multi-billion dollar global 
mass surveillance industry was, Mr. Assange said as he released a cache 
of 287 files providing a rare glimpse into how the industry was 
operating without any checks.

The Spy Files, spanning 25 countries, are first of a series of sensitive 
data that WikiLeaks plans to publish in coming months.

“Working with Bugged Planet and Privacy International, as well as media 
organisations from six countries – ARD in Germany, The Bureau of 
Investigative Journalism in the UK, The Hindu in India, L'Espresso in 
Italy, OWNI in France and the Washington Post in the U.S. Wikileaks is 
shining a light on this secret industry that has boomed since September 
11, 2001 and is worth billions of dollars per year. WikiLeaks has 
released 287 documents today [Thursday], but the Spy Files project is 
ongoing and further information will be released this week and into next 
year,'' Mr. Assange said at a crowded press conference.

N. Ram, Editor-in-Chief of The Hindu, speaking through a video-link, 
expressed concern over a fast growing and completely unregulated 
surveillance industry in India. At least two Indian companies were 
selling surveillance technology without any regulation.

“We are very concerned about our privacy violations,'' he said.

Mr. Ram said that working with WikiLeaks had been a “very valuable 
experience.” The issue highlighted by WikiLeaks was of “great 
international significance'' and of “significance to India.”

Mr. Assange said that it might sound like something out of Hollywood but 
mass interception systems built by Western “intelligence contractors'' 
were a reality. Over the past decade, the surveillance industry had 
grown from a covert operation which primarily supplied equipment to 
government intelligence agencies such as the NSA in America and 
Britain's GCHQ, into a huge transnational business.

Dramatically illustrating the threat, Mr. Assange said that potentially 
everyone who carried any mobile device was a sitting duck for anyone 
wanting to spy on them. The threat to investigative journalism from 
these new and covert surveillance techniques was particularly dire.

“The only way we are going to win this war is by developing 
counter-surveillance systems,'' he said.

WikiLeaks, which itself has been a victim of surveillance by 
intelligence agencies and their proxies and has had its site hacked, is 
in the process of developing a more secure system to submit information 
to the site.

Mr. Assange said that international surveillance companies were based in 
the more technologically sophisticated countries, and sold their 
technology to every country of the world. Intelligence agencies, 
military forces and police authorities were able to silently and 
secretly intercept calls and take over computers without the help or 
knowledge of the telecommunication providers.

Experts who worked on the files called for new laws to regulate export 
of surveillance technology.

“Western governments cannot stand idly by while this technology is still 
being sold,” said Eric King of the Privacy International campaign group.

Jacob Appelbaum, a computer expert at the University of Washington, said 
the systems revealed in the files were as deadly as murder weapons.

“These systems have been sold by Western companies to places for example 
like Syria, and Libya and Tunisia and Egypt. These systems are used to 
hunt people down and to murder,” he said, while Pratap Chatterjee of the 
Bureau of Investigative Journalism said a French firm offered to sell 
such systems to the erstwhile Qadhafi regime to spy on dissidents living 
in Britain.

Mr. Assange warned that with entire populations being subjected to 
surveillance nobody anywhere in the world was safe anymore.

“In traditional spy stories, intelligence agencies like MI5 bug the 
phone of one or two people of interest. In the last 10 years systems for 
indiscriminate, mass surveillance have become the norm. Intelligence 
companies such as VASTech secretly sell equipment to permanently record 
the phone calls of entire nations. Others record the location of every 
mobile phone in a city, down to 50 metres. Systems to infect every 
Facebook user, or smart-phone owner of an entire population group are on 
the intelligence market,'' said a statement on official WikiLeaks Spy 
Files site.

Keywords: The Hindu, WikiLeaks, SpyFiles, espionage technologies, spying 
on citizens, CCISat, Indian spy satellite

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2678603.ece

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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 22:42:46 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:42:46 +0300
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/2/11, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> [The only difference now being we cannot really pretend these
> "omissions" on liberty are not there... from Apple's oops we did not
> know it was turned on, Google's drive-by piracy of WiFi data compiling
> Streetview or the US War on Terror grab of ALL SWIFT international
> financial transaction data... the net must be free, and there is so much
> of fiddling of deckchairs on the titanic... and meanwhile the arguments
> faced while these kinds of things were happening was "if it aint broke,
> don't fix it" (i.e. governance of critical internet resources and more!)

You are conflating many things here.  I would suggest that the
governance of CIRs has very little to do with net freedom.  How can
ICANN, for example, regulate the behavior of Apple, Google or SWIFT?


> and perhaps this will simply take a new guise....or perhaps not... if as
> Lessig said, technological choices (+stds) are effectively regulation
> then the scope of struggle is much larger... time to revisit my
> Parminder, Geist and Mueller on this especially as the reintier class
> seeks to reinvigorate controls in the name of preventing piracy while
> the weapons of mass distraction are deployed to ensure Big Brother makes
> some people more equal than others... of course this may just be
> conspiracy theory junk, right?]

If you want to enshrine Big Brother, there is no better way than to
give governments free hand to regulate the Internet.


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Fri Dec  2 06:13:00 2011
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:13:00 -0200
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com> <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8B2BC.8000706@cafonso.ca>

Hei, McTim, frankly, you can do far better than this: CIR go quite
beyond ICANN -- and this was a reason MAG decided to insert CIR instead
of just governance of names and numbers as another key topic in IGF from
Rio on.

frt rgds

--c.a.

On 12/02/2011 01:42 AM, McTim wrote:
> On 12/2/11, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [The only difference now being we cannot really pretend these
>> "omissions" on liberty are not there... from Apple's oops we did not
>> know it was turned on, Google's drive-by piracy of WiFi data compiling
>> Streetview or the US War on Terror grab of ALL SWIFT international
>> financial transaction data... the net must be free, and there is so much
>> of fiddling of deckchairs on the titanic... and meanwhile the arguments
>> faced while these kinds of things were happening was "if it aint broke,
>> don't fix it" (i.e. governance of critical internet resources and more!)
> 
> You are conflating many things here.  I would suggest that the
> governance of CIRs has very little to do with net freedom.  How can
> ICANN, for example, regulate the behavior of Apple, Google or SWIFT?
> 
> 
>> and perhaps this will simply take a new guise....or perhaps not... if as
>> Lessig said, technological choices (+stds) are effectively regulation
>> then the scope of struggle is much larger... time to revisit my
>> Parminder, Geist and Mueller on this especially as the reintier class
>> seeks to reinvigorate controls in the name of preventing piracy while
>> the weapons of mass distraction are deployed to ensure Big Brother makes
>> some people more equal than others... of course this may just be
>> conspiracy theory junk, right?]
> 
> If you want to enshrine Big Brother, there is no better way than to
> give governments free hand to regulate the Internet.
> 
> 
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 06:21:13 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:21:13 +0300
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <4ED8B2BC.8000706@cafonso.ca>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com>
	<CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED8B2BC.8000706@cafonso.ca>
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On 12/2/11, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
> Hei, McTim, frankly, you can do far better than this: CIR go quite
> beyond ICANN -- and this was a reason MAG decided to insert CIR instead
> of just governance of names and numbers as another key topic in IGF from
> Rio on.

So Google, FB and SWIFT are CIRs now?

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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From roland at internetpolicyagency.com  Fri Dec  2 07:30:06 2011
From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:30:06 +0000
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com>
 <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Xse8pqnOTM2OFAis@internetpolicyagency.com>

In message 
<CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw at mail.gmail.com>, at 
06:42:46 on Fri, 2 Dec 2011, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> writes
>You are conflating many things here.  I would suggest that the
>governance of CIRs has very little to do with net freedom.  How can
>ICANN, for example, regulate the behavior of Apple, Google or SWIFT?

...

>If you want to enshrine Big Brother, there is no better way than to
>give governments free hand to regulate the Internet.

Regulate the Internet, or regulate CIRs? (eg why would governments be 
more successful than ICANN vis-à-vis Apple etc).

In a nutshell we have the problem with debate about regulation - is it 
connectivity, content, or some combination like DNS, that you are 
speaking about?
-- 
Roland Perry
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 10:09:53 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:09:53 +0200
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <Xse8pqnOTM2OFAis@internetpolicyagency.com>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com> <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com> <Xse8pqnOTM2OFAis@internetpolicyagency.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8EA41.7020606@gmail.com>

Precision should not be a substituted for platitudes. But precision is 
important.

CIR may be distinct from Google etc, but it also depends on how one sees 
the problem, a holistic view of governance issues requires this, while 
others may prefer differently.

Legitimacy is important and applies to any form of regulation (and it is 
trite to assume that there is not regulation of the net, CIR or 
wholesale tolerance of violations by current structures - not least the 
conflation in praxis of domain names with intellectual property rights).

What is of concern is the way in which property rights issues are being 
pushed as a way of regulating the net in an oblique way. Of course a 
platitudinous approach would not capture this (technocracy matters, but 
should it rule) which is why we have an ontological problem. And these 
are hard to solve.

And is anti-statism a good response?

Riaz



On 2011/12/02 02:30 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message 
> <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw at mail.gmail.com>, 
> at 06:42:46 on Fri, 2 Dec 2011, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> writes
>> You are conflating many things here.  I would suggest that the
>> governance of CIRs has very little to do with net freedom.  How can
>> ICANN, for example, regulate the behavior of Apple, Google or SWIFT?
>
> ...
>
>> If you want to enshrine Big Brother, there is no better way than to
>> give governments free hand to regulate the Internet.
>
> Regulate the Internet, or regulate CIRs? (eg why would governments be 
> more successful than ICANN vis-à-vis Apple etc).
>
> In a nutshell we have the problem with debate about regulation - is it 
> connectivity, content, or some combination like DNS, that you are 
> speaking about?

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From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr  Fri Dec  2 11:25:59 2011
From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:25:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Wikileaks Internet spy maps
In-Reply-To: <CA+EjHYq2sJEMUbw2KYfiROfJZt16E=2jeFP=x1wCrLMSW_Kh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+EjHYq2sJEMUbw2KYfiROfJZt16E=2jeFP=x1wCrLMSW_Kh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426393673.94003.1322843159061.JavaMail.www@wwinf1n30>

Merci Louis !

A suivre ...

BTW : I missed you yesterday during the WSIS Forum 2012 preparation "open meeting" at ITU HQs in Geneva. About 40 people attended it, mostly governments and only a handful of CS representatives. The debate chaired by Y. Ponder was actually "open" (minded) and tolerant ...  

Friendliest
JL Fullsack
CSDPTT



> Message du 01/12/11 23:05
> De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" 
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> Objet : [governance] Wikileaks Internet spy maps
> 
> New WikiLeaks 'spy files' show global surveillance industry
> 
> http://watch.spyfiles.org/
> 
> 


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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 12:35:54 2011
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:05:54 +0430
Subject: [governance] Digital Agenda: Coalition of top tech & media
 companies to make internet better place for our kids
Message-ID: <CAPVtaumAO6X=VEJ_-=hjgqF2Ly4_FLNmFUcdM8VXtMYrSL=3fA@mail.gmail.com>

*Digital Agenda: Coalition of top tech & media companies to make internet
better place for our kids*

Dec 01, 2011, Brussels - 28 leading companies have come together to form a
new Coalition to make a better and safer internet for children. Put
together by the European Commission, founding Coalition members are: Apple,
BSkyB, BT, Dailymotion, Deutsche Telekom, Facebook, France
Telecom-Orange, Google,
Hyves, KPN, Liberty Global, LG Electronics, Mediaset, Microsoft, Netlog,
Nintendo, Nokia, Opera Software, Research in Motion, RTL Group, Samsung,
Sulake, Telefonica, TeliaSonera, Telenor Group, Tuenti, Vivendi, Vodafone.


The founding Coalition members have agreed a Statement of
Purpose<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/sip/docs/ceo_coalition_statement.pdf>
 agreeing to take action in five areas:

·                    *Simple and robust reporting tools:* easy-to-find and
recognisable features on all devices to enable effective reporting and
responses to content and contacts that seem harmful to kids;

·                    *Age-appropriate privacy settings:* settings which
take account of the needs of different age groups (such settings determine
how widely available a user's information is; for example whether contact
details or photos are available only to close contacts rather than to the
general public);

·                    *Wider use of content classification:* to develop a
generally valid approach to age-rating, which could be used across sectors
and provide parents with understandable age categories;

·                    *Wider availability and use of parental control:*
user-friendly
tools actively promoted to achieve the widest possible take-up;

·                    *Effective takedown of child abuse material*: to
improve cooperation with law enforcement and hotlines, to take proactive
steps to remove child sexual abuse material from the internet.

 For more information see press-release
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/11/1485&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en



-- 
Nariné Khachatryan
Media Education Center
Yerevan, Armenia
http://www.immasin.am  <http://www.immasin.am>
http://www.safe.am/
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Fri Dec  2 14:54:55 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:54:55 +0100
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
In-Reply-To: <4ED7A5E2.2020207@apc.org>
References: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org> <4ED7A5E2.2020207@apc.org>
Message-ID: <4ED92D0F.1060105@cis-india.org>

Anriette Esterhuysen [2011-12-01 17:05]:
> Will you have a written response we can use?

<http://goo.gl/X3kLI>

> Are any other governments opposing this?

No member-state _directly_ opposed this. Member-states (such as the Asia
Group) indirectly did so by wanting the linkage between the future work
proposals and Recommendation 45 of the WIPO Development Agenda[1] to be
made clearer, just as I did.

The United States disagreed with this, and maintained that while the
WIPO Development Agenda is something we are required to keep in the back
of our minds, we need not always have to be guided by it or make links
between that and the work that is done clear.

John Curran [2011-12-01 20:36]:
> For those from environments where 'IP' does not mean Intellectual Property, is there a simple definition of “parallel import” available somewhere?

Apologies for that.  I should have remembered.


 [1]: Recommendation 45: "To approach intellectual property enforcement
in the context of broader societal interests and especially
development-oriented concerns, with a view that “the protection and
enforcement of intellectual property rights should contribute to the
promotion of technological innovation and to the transfer and
dissemination of technology, to the mutual advantage of producers and
users of technological knowledge and in a manner conducive to social and
economic welfare, and to a balance of rights and obligations”, in
accordance with Article 7 of the TRIPS Agreement."

-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Programme Manager
Centre for Internet and Society
W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sat Dec  3 01:31:36 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:31:36 +0100
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
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Summary of Russia's verbal intervention:

According to some of the studies included in doc WIPO/ACE/7/5,
infringing content is responsible for more than 1/4 of online traffic.
While some of Dr. Cliff's (Chatham House) criticism of those numbers are
legitimate, it remains an important problem, especially "torrent
trackers". Law enforcement agencies in Russia identify between 6000 -
7000 illegal file sharing sites each year and it has become a game of
whack-a-mole as new services sprout up on a daily basis. This situation
is difficult both for rightsholders and consumers because there are too
many of those services to be able to track them and they shift their
servers constantly. There are roughly 30,000 trackers and only a few of
them have been closed because there are international private law and
other judicial problems, and so far, no effective mechanism to solve
problem has been identified and it remains difficult to build
cooperation between states on those issues. This is why the Russian
delegation proposes to undertake a series of studies to determine the
extent of the problem, look at existing models to fight illegal file
sharing, the different practices among member States to prosecute
"torrent trackers". To get achieve those objectives, we need to to
compare statistics of online crime in different jurisdictions, the
number of prosecutions on those issues in different member-states etc.
One of the outcomes of this study should give us an idea of 'how
Governments can regulate the relationships between stakeholders
disseminating information over the Internet.'


-- 
Pranesh Prakash
Programme Manager
Centre for Internet and Society
W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283

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From nashton at consensus.pro  Sun Dec  4 04:47:12 2011
From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:47:12 +0100
Subject: [governance] Russia proposes work at WIPO on censoring the Internet
 and intermediary liability
Message-ID: <E2715F39-6411-47A5-B7AB-1AC14D847ADE@consensus.pro>

Dear list subscribers,

At the WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement  on Thursday of this past week, the Russian Federation proposed that part of the work of the committee going forward should be in looking at intermediary liability in copyright. At the very end of their intervention, they made clear that what they really want (as one of the outcomes) is  'how governments can regulate relationships between stakeholders disseminating information on the Internet.'

The written part of their proposal conveniently excludes this bombshell - it is as follows:

The Federal Service for Intellectual Property (ROSPATENT) proposes the following issues for future consideration:
Online infringement of copyright and measures to combat it, especially when it comes to cross-border cases of infringement;
The impact of enforcement mechanisms adjusted in other countries in order to tackle piracy, especially in the field of P2P technologies;
Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel import”.
Their intervention was pretty extreme - Matthias managed to get it down pretty completely - see the bottom of this note. 

As soon as they were done IFPI (the major record label association) spoke up to "welcome the Russian proposal" and noted that ensuring intermediaries became more active in fighting piracy was one of its main issues. the IVF (international video federation) then said 'We would like to take up the Russian proposal on copyright - have an inclusive discussion and discuss the importance of intermediaries' responsibility in this field. The ACE is a useful forum to discuss these issues and exchange experiences. ' and proposed a information session be held with a variety of stakeholders at the next meeting.

Matthias and I, as CCIA's delegates, went into high gear talking to delegations, asking them to say something opposing this blatant attempt to use enforcement as a mechanism for state censorship of the Internet. A number of NGOs (Public Knowledge, CIS, Third World Network, and KEI) spoke up defending the Internet and free expression, but the only governments that did were the Brazilians and the Pakistanis.

I am sure that the Russians are very well aware that the traditional allies of keeping the Internet open in the West are also often very pro-enforcement of intellectual property, and that this will make it harder for them to oppose this Russian initiative. 

If the US and other traditional supporters of the Internet give mixed messages on this (as Sec. Clinton basically did at a recent speech which dealt with IP and the Internet), they will be fighting proposals like this one with one hand tied behind their back. The traditional allies of the ICT sector and the public interest on Internet issues at WIPO are from the same countries who either censor the Internet themselves (Pakistan) and/or are (like Brazil and India) proposing government control of the Internet in other fora.

It is not clear what will happen next with this proposal - the committee has a pretty long list of subjects to address  - but we will follow this closely. 

WIPO has been pushing for intermediary liability discussions in copyright and trademarks for some time. All of you who support keeping state control of the Internet under control should be concerned about the activities of this agency. It is very well-funded through patent and trademark registration fees (more than 90% of its budget of more than 300 million Swiss francs a year is from these sources). 

Summary of Russian intervention:

According to some of the studies included in doc ACE 7/5), infringing content is responsible for more than 1/4 of online traffic. While some of Dr. Cliff's (Chatham House) critisism of those numbers legitimate, it remains an important problem, especially "torrent trackers". Law enforcement agencies in Russia identify between 6000 - 7000 illegal file sharing sites each year and it has become a game of whack-a-mole as new services sprout up on a daily basis. This situation is difficult both for rightsholders and consumers because there are too many of those services to be able to track them and they shift their servers constantly. There are roughly 30'000 trackers and only a few of them have been closed because there are international private law and other judicial problems, and so far, no effective mechanism to solve problem has been identified and it remains difficult to build cooperation between states on those issues. This is why the Russian delegation proposes to undertake a series of studies to determine the extent of the problem, look at existing models to fight illegal file sharing, the different practices among member States to prosecute "torrent trackers". To get achieve those objectives, we need to to compare statistics of online crime in different jurisdictions, the number of prosecutions on those issues in different member States etc. One of the outcomes of this study should give us an idea of 'how Governments can regulate the relationships between stakeholders disseminating information over the Internet.'
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 14:12:15 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:12:15 +1200
Subject: [governance] Russia proposes work at WIPO on censoring the
 Internet and intermediary liability
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References: <E2715F39-6411-47A5-B7AB-1AC14D847ADE@consensus.pro>
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Dear Nick,



Thank you Nick.  This is excellent information and feedback on the WIPO
Advisory Committee on Enforcement.

Personally, my views are that even if the West were to buy in to the cross
border enforcement proposal and recognise jurisdiction, it could possibly
be used adversely against governments in human rights violations even if
they are not party to the Rome Statute for instance.

 I have also been monitoring how countries all over the world (at least
members of WIPO) are moving towards enforcing copyright over the internet
such as SOPA and others. It seems to be the trend.

In Australia, the Copyright Council Expert Group presented its views on the
reform on 31/10/11, see:
http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/Copyright%20Council%20Expert%20Group%20-%20Paper%202011.pdf
What
was of interest was Recommendation 2 which dictates liability of online
service providers.

Australian ISPs (Communications Alliance) of course have proposed a new
system of stopping online piracy, see
http://commsalliance.com.au/about-us/newsroom/2011-26


New Zealand's three Strikes law has had an adverse impact on the need for
large monthly data caps see
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501833&objectid=10749878
The scope of copyright law changes are limited to P2P file sharing as per
clarification from the Ministry of Economic Development to Internet New
Zealand see:
http://internetnz.net.nz/news/media-releases/2011/Scope-copyright-law-changes-limited-P2P-file-sharing

The NZ Copyright (Infringement File Sharing) Act is available here:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2011/0011/latest/DLM2764312.html

Kind Regards,
Sala
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at consensus.pro>wrote:

> Dear list subscribers,
>
> At the WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement  on Thursday of this past
> week, the Russian Federation proposed that part of the work of the
> committee going forward should be in looking at intermediary liability in
> copyright. At the very end of their intervention, they made clear that what
> they really want (as one of the outcomes) is  'how governments can regulate
> relationships between stakeholders disseminating information on the
> Internet.'
>
> The written part of their proposal conveniently excludes this bombshell -
> it is as follows:
>
> The Federal Service for Intellectual Property (ROSPATENT) proposes the
> following issues for future consideration:
>
>
>    1. Online infringement of copyright and measures to combat it,
>    especially when it comes to cross-border cases of infringement;
>    2. The impact of enforcement mechanisms adjusted in other countries in
>    order to tackle piracy, especially in the field of P2P technologies;
>    3. Infringement of exclusive rights on objects of intellectual
>    property in the Internet, in particular, problem of control of “parallel
>    import”.
>
> Their intervention was pretty extreme - Matthias managed to get it down
> pretty completely - see the bottom of this note.
>
> As soon as they were done IFPI (the major record label association) spoke
> up to "welcome the Russian proposal" and noted that ensuring intermediaries
> became more active in fighting piracy was one of its main issues. the IVF
> (international video federation) then said 'We would like to take up the
> Russian proposal on copyright - have an inclusive discussion and discuss
> the importance of intermediaries' responsibility in this field. The ACE is
> a useful forum to discuss these issues and exchange experiences. ' and
> proposed a information session be held with a variety of stakeholders at
> the next meeting.
>
> Matthias and I, as CCIA's delegates, went into high gear talking to
> delegations, asking them to say something opposing this blatant attempt to
> use enforcement as a mechanism for state censorship of the Internet. A
> number of NGOs (Public Knowledge, CIS, Third World Network, and KEI) spoke
> up defending the Internet and free expression, but the only governments
> that did were the Brazilians and the Pakistanis.
>
> I am sure that the Russians are very well aware that the traditional
> allies of keeping the Internet open in the West are also often very
> pro-enforcement of intellectual property, and that this will make it harder
> for them to oppose this Russian initiative.
>
> If the US and other traditional supporters of the Internet give mixed
> messages on this (as Sec. Clinton basically did at a recent speech which
> dealt with IP and the Internet), they will be fighting proposals like this
> one with one hand tied behind their back. The traditional allies of the ICT
> sector and the public interest on Internet issues at WIPO are from the same
> countries who either censor the Internet themselves (Pakistan) and/or are
> (like Brazil and India) proposing government control of the Internet in
> other fora.
>
> It is not clear what will happen next with this proposal - the committee
> has a pretty long list of subjects to address  - but we will follow this
> closely.* *
> *
> *
> *WIPO has been pushing for intermediary liability discussions in
> copyright and trademarks for some time. All of you who support keeping
> state control of the Internet under control should be concerned about the
> activities of this agency. *It is very well-funded through patent and
> trademark registration fees (more than 90% of its budget of more than 300
> million Swiss francs a year is from these sources).
> *
> *
> *Summary of Russian intervention:*
> *
> *
> *According to some of the studies included in doc ACE 7/5<http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/enforcement/en/wipo_ace_7/wipo_ace_7_5.pdf>),
> infringing content is responsible for more than 1/4 of online traffic.
> While some of Dr. Cliff's (Chatham House) critisism of those numbers
> legitimate, it remains an important problem, especially "torrent trackers".
> Law enforcement agencies in Russia identify between 6000 - 7000 illegal
> file sharing sites each year and it has become a game of whack-a-mole as
> new services sprout up on a daily basis. This situation is difficult both
> for rightsholders and consumers because there are too many of those
> services to be able to track them and they shift their servers constantly.
> There are roughly 30'000 trackers and only a few of them have been closed
> because there are international private law and other judicial problems,
> and so far, no effective mechanism to solve problem has been identified and
> it remains difficult to build cooperation between states on those issues.
> This is why the Russian delegation proposes to undertake a series of
> studies to determine the extent of the problem, look at existing models to
> fight illegal file sharing, the different practices among member States to
> prosecute "torrent trackers". To get achieve those objectives, we need to
> to compare statistics of online crime in different jurisdictions, the
> number of prosecutions on those issues in different member States etc. One
> of the outcomes of this study should give us an idea of 'how Governments
> can regulate the relationships between stakeholders disseminating
> information over the Internet.'*
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 15:14:56 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:14:56 +1200
Subject: [governance] WIPO Advisory Committee on Enforcement
In-Reply-To: <4ED9C248.4040005@cis-india.org>
References: <4ED7915B.50407@cis-india.org>
	<4ED7A5E2.2020207@apc.org>
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Thank you for this Pranesh.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:

> Summary of Russia's verbal intervention:
>
> According to some of the studies included in doc WIPO/ACE/7/5,
> infringing content is responsible for more than 1/4 of online traffic.
> While some of Dr. Cliff's (Chatham House) criticism of those numbers are
> legitimate, it remains an important problem, especially "torrent
> trackers". Law enforcement agencies in Russia identify between 6000 -
> 7000 illegal file sharing sites each year and it has become a game of
> whack-a-mole as new services sprout up on a daily basis. This situation
> is difficult both for rightsholders and consumers because there are too
> many of those services to be able to track them and they shift their
> servers constantly. There are roughly 30,000 trackers and only a few of
> them have been closed because there are international private law and
> other judicial problems, and so far, no effective mechanism to solve
> problem has been identified and it remains difficult to build
> cooperation between states on those issues. This is why the Russian
> delegation proposes to undertake a series of studies to determine the
> extent of the problem, look at existing models to fight illegal file
> sharing, the different practices among member States to prosecute
> "torrent trackers". To get achieve those objectives, we need to to
> compare statistics of online crime in different jurisdictions, the
> number of prosecutions on those issues in different member-states etc.
> One of the outcomes of this study should give us an idea of 'how
> Governments can regulate the relationships between stakeholders
> disseminating information over the Internet.'
>
>
> --
> Pranesh Prakash
> Programme Manager
> Centre for Internet and Society
> W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283
>
>


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From gpaque at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 09:38:12 2011
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:08:12 -0430
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
Message-ID: <CALCecM8Mfa8LqaaMp5FNOHbOy72STybZG6EFwOdX0bN8nGnGxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Please pass this information on to any interested colleagues or groups.
Gracias,
Ginger

Call for applications: Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012

Who owns the cloud? Is my data secure there? Who manages Internet domains
and addresses, and how? What is network neutrality? How can states provide
for Internet security without breaching our basic human rights - or can
they? Can we have an Internet that is both safe and open?

Diplo's Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012 will give you
a solid base from which to discuss these and other questions, and to work
towards policy solutions for users, organisations, and governments. This
online programme is designed to improve Internet policy and
governance-related knowledge and skills for participants from both
developed and developing countries, and to enhance their participation in
the global decision-shaping debates on Internet governance. The call for
applications for the 2012 Introduction to Internet Governance course is now
open. Please visit the call for
applications<http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/call-applications-internet-governance-capacity-building-programme-2012>for
more information and to apply (deadline: 1 February 2012).


Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 09:52:23 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:52:23 +0200
Subject: [governance] The Big Brother is everywhere now - Assange
In-Reply-To: <Xse8pqnOTM2OFAis@internetpolicyagency.com>
References: <4ED80015.3050408@gmail.com> <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw@mail.gmail.com> <Xse8pqnOTM2OFAis@internetpolicyagency.com>
Message-ID: <4EDCDAA7.1010801@gmail.com>

... and a problem with legitimacy. Legitimacy and Effectiveness are twin 
prongs of international law.

And a holistic perspective is needed, not least because of the use of 
the CIRs and other groups to conflate Intellectual Property protected 
brand names with domain names... looked at atomistically this may not 
have been a problem, but at a particular level of abstraction there are 
serious concerns...

On 2011/12/02 02:30 PM, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message 
> <CACAaNxia-PPQCza_3yoJSEZH43sweguK9ej_xXTCEbthXqLUUw at mail.gmail.com>, 
> at 06:42:46 on Fri, 2 Dec 2011, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> writes
>> You are conflating many things here.  I would suggest that the
>> governance of CIRs has very little to do with net freedom.  How can
>> ICANN, for example, regulate the behavior of Apple, Google or SWIFT?
>
> ...
>
>> If you want to enshrine Big Brother, there is no better way than to
>> give governments free hand to regulate the Internet.
>
> Regulate the Internet, or regulate CIRs? (eg why would governments be 
> more successful than ICANN vis-à-vis Apple etc).
>
> In a nutshell we have the problem with debate about regulation - is it 
> connectivity, content, or some combination like DNS, that you are 
> speaking about?

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From ggithaiga at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  5 09:59:14 2011
From: ggithaiga at hotmail.com (Grace Githaiga)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:59:14 +0000
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
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Hi Ginger
How are  you keeping? You have been missing in action on our programme:)
 
Tell me, is this the introduction course to IG?
 
Warm Regards
Grace

 
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From: gpaque at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:08:12 -0430
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications


Hi everyone,
Please pass this information on to any interested colleagues or groups.
Gracias,
Ginger
 
Call for applications: Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012

Who owns the cloud? Is my data secure there? Who manages Internet domains and addresses, and how? What is network neutrality? How can states provide for Internet security without breaching our basic human rights - or can they? Can we have an Internet that is both safe and open? 

Diplo's Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012 will give you a solid base from which to discuss these and other questions, and to work towards policy solutions for users, organisations, and governments. This online programme is designed to improve Internet policy and governance-related knowledge and skills for participants from both developed and developing countries, and to enhance their participation in the global decision-shaping debates on Internet governance. The call for applications for the 2012 Introduction to Internet Governance course is now open. Please visit the call for applications for more information and to apply (deadline: 1 February 2012).
 
 
Ginger
Ginger (Virginia) Paque

Diplo Foundation
www.diplomacy.edu/ig
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Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org

 		 	   		  
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 10:38:26 2011
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:08:26 -0430
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
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Hi Grace and everyone,
Yes, this call for applications is for the Introductory course, which will
start on March 6th.

I'm still here, just not talking so much :)

Cheers,
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque
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On 5 December 2011 10:29, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Ginger
> How are  you keeping? You have been missing in action on our programme:)
>
> Tell me, is this the introduction course to IG?
>
> Warm Regards
> Grace
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life
> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go
> forth and rule the World!
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> From: gpaque at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:08:12 -0430
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Please pass this information on to any interested colleagues or groups.
> Gracias,
> Ginger
>
> Call for applications: Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012
>
> Who owns the cloud? Is my data secure there? Who manages Internet domains
> and addresses, and how? What is network neutrality? How can states provide
> for Internet security without breaching our basic human rights - or can
> they? Can we have an Internet that is both safe and open?
>
> Diplo's Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012 will give you
> a solid base from which to discuss these and other questions, and to work
> towards policy solutions for users, organisations, and governments. This
> online programme is designed to improve Internet policy and
> governance-related knowledge and skills for participants from both
> developed and developing countries, and to enhance their participation in
> the global decision-shaping debates on Internet governance. The call for
> applications for the 2012 Introduction to Internet Governance course is now
> open. Please visit the call for applications<http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/call-applications-internet-governance-capacity-building-programme-2012>for more information and to apply (deadline: 1 February 2012).
>
>
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> Diplo Foundation
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>
> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org*
>
>
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From amedinagomez at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 10:52:43 2011
From: amedinagomez at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antonio_Medina_G=F3mez?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:52:43 -0500
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
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Ginger muchas gracias por la informacion.
Ya comente y hay un interes en algunas de las personas que participaron en
el Hub Remoto de 2011.
Te agradezco y te informare los avances.
Antonio Medina

2011/12/5 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>

> Hi Grace and everyone,
> Yes, this call for applications is for the Introductory course, which will
> start on March 6th.
>
> I'm still here, just not talking so much :)
>
> Cheers,
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> Diplo Foundation
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>
> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org*
>
>
>
>
> On 5 December 2011 10:29, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Ginger
>> How are  you keeping? You have been missing in action on our programme:)
>>
>> Tell me, is this the introduction course to IG?
>>
>> Warm Regards
>> Grace
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life
>> is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go
>> forth and rule the World!
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> From: gpaque at gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:08:12 -0430
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Please pass this information on to any interested colleagues or groups.
>> Gracias,
>> Ginger
>>
>> Call for applications: Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
>> 2012
>>
>> Who owns the cloud? Is my data secure there? Who manages Internet domains
>> and addresses, and how? What is network neutrality? How can states provide
>> for Internet security without breaching our basic human rights - or can
>> they? Can we have an Internet that is both safe and open?
>>
>> Diplo's Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 2012 will give
>> you a solid base from which to discuss these and other questions, and to
>> work towards policy solutions for users, organisations, and governments.
>> This online programme is designed to improve Internet policy and
>> governance-related knowledge and skills for participants from both
>> developed and developing countries, and to enhance their participation in
>> the global decision-shaping debates on Internet governance. The call for
>> applications for the 2012 Introduction to Internet Governance course is now
>> open. Please visit the call for applications<http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/call-applications-internet-governance-capacity-building-programme-2012>for more information and to apply (deadline: 1 February 2012).
>>
>>
>> Ginger
>>
>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>> Diplo Foundation
>> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>>
>> *Join the Diplo community IG discussions: www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>> *
>>
>>
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From presidencia at internauta.org.ar  Mon Dec  5 17:05:54 2011
From: presidencia at internauta.org.ar (presidencia Internauta Argentina)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:05:54 -0300
Subject: [governance] DiploFoundation IGCBP 2012 Call for applications
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thanks ginger, some volunteers from  Internauta Argentina apply  the 
so-called scholarship, I hope you get lucky!
Kind regards!

*

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Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>-CTA- 
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El 05/12/2011 11:38 a.m., Ginger Paque escribió:
> Hi everyone,
> Please pass this information on to any interested colleagues or groups.
> Gracias,
> Ginger
> Call for applications: Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme 
> 2012
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> Who owns the cloud? Is my data secure there? Who manages Internet 
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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Tue Dec  6 00:02:28 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:32:28 +0530
Subject: [governance] Sibal demands pre-censorship of user-uploaded content
Message-ID: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>

In a moment of divine inspiration, the Indian Minister for
Communications and Information Technology asks Facebook, Google, Yahoo
and Microsoft to pre-censor user-uploaded content.

// Pranesh

From the New York Times, which broke the story:

<http://goo.gl/BXQHY>

DECEMBER 5, 2011, 6:33 AM
India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

By HEATHER TIMMONS

The Indian government has asked Internet companies and social media
sites like Facebook to prescreen user content from India and to remove
disparaging, inflammatory or defamatory content before it goes online,
three executives in the information technology industry say.

Top officials from the Indian units of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and
Facebook are meeting with Kapil Sibal, India’s acting telecommunications
minister, on Monday afternoon to discuss the issue, say two executives
of Internet companies. The executives asked not to be identified because
they are not authorized to speak to the media on the issue.

Mr. Sibal’s office confirmed that he would meet with Internet service
providers Monday but did not provide more information about the content
of the meeting.

About six weeks ago, Mr. Sibal called legal representatives from the top
Internet service providers and Facebook into his New Delhi office, said
one of the executives who was briefed on the meeting.

At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned
the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi.  “This is unacceptable,”
he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way
to monitor what is posted on their sites.

In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr.
Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen
content, not technology, the executive said.

The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he
expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers
looking for objectionable content and deleting it before it is posted.

The executives said representatives from these companies will tell Mr.
Sibal at the meeting on Monday that his demand is impossible, given the
volume of user-generated content coming from India, and that they cannot
be responsible for determining what is and isn’t defamatory or disparaging.

“If there’s a law and there’s a court order, we can follow up on it,”
said an executive from one of the companies attending the meeting. But
these companies can’t be in the business of deciding what is and isn’t
legal to post, he said.

Yahoo, Facebook and Microsoft did not respond immediately to calls for
comment, and a Google spokeswoman said the company had no comment on the
issue. Facebook said earlier this year it has more than 25 million users
in India. Google has over 100 million Internet users in India.

The demand is the Indian government’s latest attempt to monitor and
control electronic information. In April, the ministry issued rules
demanding Internet service providers delete information posted on Web
sites that officials or private citizens deemed disparaging or
harassing. Last year, the government battled with Blackberry’s
manufacturer, Research In Motion, threatening to shut the company’s
service off in India if it did not allow government officials greater
access to users’ messages.

The Indian government also plans to set up its own unit to monitor
information posted on Web sites and social media sites, executives said,
which will report to Gulshan Rai, the director general of India’s
cyber-security monitor.

A man who answered the phone in Mr. Rai’s office said he did not talk to
the press and hung up when a reporter asked for a press contact.

Some Indian cities like Mumbai have already set up special units to
monitor Internet sites like Facebook and Orkut, the social networking
site operated by Google, for content considered disparaging or obscene.
India has made nearly 70 requests to Google to remove content between
January and June of this year, one of the highest request rates of any
country though less than the United States’s 92 and Brazil’s 224,
according to Google’s transparency report.

Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.


-- 
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Programme Manager
Centre for Internet and Society
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From tinadam at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 00:13:37 2011
From: tinadam at gmail.com (Tina Dam)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:13:37 -0800
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4ED7A459.1070900@gmx.net>
References: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>
	<4ED7A459.1070900@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAN8jcvDCJgQPenvXjoeVWT2Sio0EWApaqUvYpJq4gLDdnDdx9w@mail.gmail.com>

And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/
see paragraph 3.

Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a
correct translation:

Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN
pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of Cyrillic
requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this
type of policy.

2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>

> **
> On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod
> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438
>
> Daniel
>
>
> Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global
> communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *
>
> "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are
> developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the
> initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So
> I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to
> apply for."
>
>
> Norbert
>
> --
> A while ago, I started a new blog:
>
> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodiahttp://www.thinking21.org/
>
> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
>
> Norbert Kleinnhklein at gmx.net
> Phnom Penh / Cambodia
>
>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 04:38:23 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:38:23 +1200
Subject: [governance] Sibal demands pre-censorship of user-uploaded
 content
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>
References: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiD_Zb=jCG4jHQV3pmzeR0p6aHrGSHaEq9ZsNFz8Py-5XA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:

> In a moment of divine inspiration, the Indian Minister for
> Communications and Information Technology asks Facebook, Google, Yahoo
> and Microsoft to pre-censor user-uploaded content.
>
> The issue of content restriction is something that has been the subject of
much debate from intellectual property, child pornography etc. What are the
boundaries of censorship? What is the perfect balance? Is the notion of an
open and free internet being threatened? What is freedom of expression on
the internet?

This is something that was explored in the Special Rapporteur on the
Promotion and Protection of the Right to Freedom of Opinion and Expression
Frank La Rue see page 19 para 69 in
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdf




> // Pranesh
>
> From the New York Times, which broke the story:
>
> <http://goo.gl/BXQHY>
>
> DECEMBER 5, 2011, 6:33 AM
> India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content
>
> By HEATHER TIMMONS
>
> The Indian government has asked Internet companies and social media
> sites like Facebook to prescreen user content from India and to remove
> disparaging, inflammatory or defamatory content before it goes online,
> three executives in the information technology industry say.
>
> Top officials from the Indian units of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and
> Facebook are meeting with Kapil Sibal, India’s acting telecommunications
> minister, on Monday afternoon to discuss the issue, say two executives
> of Internet companies. The executives asked not to be identified because
> they are not authorized to speak to the media on the issue.
>
> Mr. Sibal’s office confirmed that he would meet with Internet service
> providers Monday but did not provide more information about the content
> of the meeting.
>
> About six weeks ago, Mr. Sibal called legal representatives from the top
> Internet service providers and Facebook into his New Delhi office, said
> one of the executives who was briefed on the meeting.
>
> At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned
> the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi.  “This is unacceptable,”
> he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way
> to monitor what is posted on their sites.
>
> In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr.
> Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen
> content, not technology, the executive said.
>
> The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he
> expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers
> looking for objectionable content and deleting it before it is posted.
>
> The executives said representatives from these companies will tell Mr.
> Sibal at the meeting on Monday that his demand is impossible, given the
> volume of user-generated content coming from India, and that they cannot
> be responsible for determining what is and isn’t defamatory or disparaging.
>
> “If there’s a law and there’s a court order, we can follow up on it,”
> said an executive from one of the companies attending the meeting. But
> these companies can’t be in the business of deciding what is and isn’t
> legal to post, he said.
>
> Yahoo, Facebook and Microsoft did not respond immediately to calls for
> comment, and a Google spokeswoman said the company had no comment on the
> issue. Facebook said earlier this year it has more than 25 million users
> in India. Google has over 100 million Internet users in India.
>
> The demand is the Indian government’s latest attempt to monitor and
> control electronic information. In April, the ministry issued rules
> demanding Internet service providers delete information posted on Web
> sites that officials or private citizens deemed disparaging or
> harassing. Last year, the government battled with Blackberry’s
> manufacturer, Research In Motion, threatening to shut the company’s
> service off in India if it did not allow government officials greater
> access to users’ messages.
>
> The Indian government also plans to set up its own unit to monitor
> information posted on Web sites and social media sites, executives said,
> which will report to Gulshan Rai, the director general of India’s
> cyber-security monitor.
>
> A man who answered the phone in Mr. Rai’s office said he did not talk to
> the press and hung up when a reporter asked for a press contact.
>
> Some Indian cities like Mumbai have already set up special units to
> monitor Internet sites like Facebook and Orkut, the social networking
> site operated by Google, for content considered disparaging or obscene.
> India has made nearly 70 requests to Google to remove content between
> January and June of this year, one of the highest request rates of any
> country though less than the United States’s 92 and Brazil’s 224,
> according to Google’s transparency report.
>
> Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.
>
>
> --
> Pranesh Prakash
> Programme Manager
> Centre for Internet and Society
> W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283
>
>


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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 04:47:44 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:47:44 +1200
Subject: [governance] Sibal demands pre-censorship of user-uploaded
 content
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiD_Zb=jCG4jHQV3pmzeR0p6aHrGSHaEq9ZsNFz8Py-5XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>
	<CAJwbTiD_Zb=jCG4jHQV3pmzeR0p6aHrGSHaEq9ZsNFz8Py-5XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiBvmOiJwM7gBcPiJDbFoQpLUbGsOq=zNYQkmnVMS6nhTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:
>
>> In a moment of divine inspiration, the Indian Minister for
>> Communications and Information Technology asks Facebook, Google, Yahoo
>> and Microsoft to pre-censor user-uploaded content.
>>
>
I should also add that it was reported that an Italian court found three
Google Executives guilty for violating the Italian data protection code see
para 40 of La Rue's Report. In China, the Government requires ISPs and web
platforms to conduct surveillance on their users.

>
>> The issue of content restriction is something that has been the subject
> of much debate from intellectual property, child pornography etc. What are
> the boundaries of censorship? What is the perfect balance? Is the notion of
> an open and free internet being threatened? What is freedom of expression
> on the internet?
>
> This is something that was explored in the Special Rapporteur on the
> Promotion and Protection of the Right to Freedom of Opinion and Expression
> Frank La Rue see page 19 para 69 in
> http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdf
>
>
>
>
>> // Pranesh
>>
>> From the New York Times, which broke the story:
>>
>> <http://goo.gl/BXQHY>
>>
>> DECEMBER 5, 2011, 6:33 AM
>> India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content
>>
>> By HEATHER TIMMONS
>>
>> The Indian government has asked Internet companies and social media
>> sites like Facebook to prescreen user content from India and to remove
>> disparaging, inflammatory or defamatory content before it goes online,
>> three executives in the information technology industry say.
>>
>> Top officials from the Indian units of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and
>> Facebook are meeting with Kapil Sibal, India’s acting telecommunications
>> minister, on Monday afternoon to discuss the issue, say two executives
>> of Internet companies. The executives asked not to be identified because
>> they are not authorized to speak to the media on the issue.
>>
>> Mr. Sibal’s office confirmed that he would meet with Internet service
>> providers Monday but did not provide more information about the content
>> of the meeting.
>>
>> About six weeks ago, Mr. Sibal called legal representatives from the top
>> Internet service providers and Facebook into his New Delhi office, said
>> one of the executives who was briefed on the meeting.
>>
>> At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned
>> the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi.  “This is unacceptable,”
>> he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way
>> to monitor what is posted on their sites.
>>
>> In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr.
>> Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen
>> content, not technology, the executive said.
>>
>> The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he
>> expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers
>> looking for objectionable content and deleting it before it is posted.
>>
>> The executives said representatives from these companies will tell Mr.
>> Sibal at the meeting on Monday that his demand is impossible, given the
>> volume of user-generated content coming from India, and that they cannot
>> be responsible for determining what is and isn’t defamatory or
>> disparaging.
>>
>> “If there’s a law and there’s a court order, we can follow up on it,”
>> said an executive from one of the companies attending the meeting. But
>> these companies can’t be in the business of deciding what is and isn’t
>> legal to post, he said.
>>
>> Yahoo, Facebook and Microsoft did not respond immediately to calls for
>> comment, and a Google spokeswoman said the company had no comment on the
>> issue. Facebook said earlier this year it has more than 25 million users
>> in India. Google has over 100 million Internet users in India.
>>
>> The demand is the Indian government’s latest attempt to monitor and
>> control electronic information. In April, the ministry issued rules
>> demanding Internet service providers delete information posted on Web
>> sites that officials or private citizens deemed disparaging or
>> harassing. Last year, the government battled with Blackberry’s
>> manufacturer, Research In Motion, threatening to shut the company’s
>> service off in India if it did not allow government officials greater
>> access to users’ messages.
>>
>> The Indian government also plans to set up its own unit to monitor
>> information posted on Web sites and social media sites, executives said,
>> which will report to Gulshan Rai, the director general of India’s
>> cyber-security monitor.
>>
>> A man who answered the phone in Mr. Rai’s office said he did not talk to
>> the press and hung up when a reporter asked for a press contact.
>>
>> Some Indian cities like Mumbai have already set up special units to
>> monitor Internet sites like Facebook and Orkut, the social networking
>> site operated by Google, for content considered disparaging or obscene.
>> India has made nearly 70 requests to Google to remove content between
>> January and June of this year, one of the highest request rates of any
>> country though less than the United States’s 92 and Brazil’s 224,
>> according to Google’s transparency report.
>>
>> Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pranesh Prakash
>> Programme Manager
>> Centre for Internet and Society
>> W: http://cis-india.org | T: +91 80 40926283
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
>


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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 08:23:55 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:23:55 +0500
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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References: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>	<4ED7A459.1070900@gmx.net> <CAN8jcvDCJgQPenvXjoeVWT2Sio0EWApaqUvYpJq4gLDdnDdx9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccb41a$5137e9f0$f3a7bdd0$@yahoo.com>

Thanks Tina for sharing this news. 

It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with the ICANN’s refusal.

Imran

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Tina Dam
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein
Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

 

And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/

see paragraph 3. 

 

Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a correct translation:

 

Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN
pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of Cyrillic
requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this
type of policy.

2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>

On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: 

Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod Beckstrom had to say about the issue. 

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438 

Daniel 

 

Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global communities" that supposedly decided against .бг 

"The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to apply for."


Norbert




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...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
http://www.thinking21.org/
 
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
 
Norbert Klein
nhklein at gmx.net
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
 


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From daniel at digsys.bg  Tue Dec  6 08:38:12 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:38:12 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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Message-ID: <4EDE1AC4.3040007@digsys.bg>

Tina,

The text you translated from Bulgarian says exactly the opposite:


"... Despite we were reasonably UNSATISFIED by the refusal of ICANN to 
register our string in Cyrillic, applied for via the Fast Track IDN 
ccTLD process, the Bulgarian Government supports this type of politics."

So much about Google Translate.

Daniel

On 06.12.11 07:13, Tina Dam wrote:
> And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
> and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/
> see paragraph 3.
> Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a 
> correct translation:
> Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role 
> of the
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
> credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. 
> ICANN
> pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
> reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of 
> Cyrillic
> requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports 
> this
> type of policy.
>
> 2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net <mailto:nhklein at gmx.net>>
>
>     On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>>     Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod
>>     Beckstrom had to say about the issue.
>>
>>     http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438
>>
>>     Daniel
>
>     Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global
>     communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *
>
>     "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies
>     that are developed by the global communities. Those communities
>     did not allow the initial application to go through because of
>     potential visual confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back
>     and they can choose what they want to apply for."
>
>
>     Norbert
>
>     -- 
>     A while ago, I started a new blog:
>
>     ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
>     http://www.thinking21.org/
>
>     continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
>
>     Norbert Klein
>     nhklein at gmx.net  <mailto:nhklein at gmx.net>
>     Phnom Penh / Cambodia
>
>
>
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From iliya.bazlyankov at uninet.bg  Tue Dec  6 08:40:03 2011
From: iliya.bazlyankov at uninet.bg (Iliya Bazlyankov)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:40:03 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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Hi,
The translation is not correct.

"Независимо, че останахме основателно неудовлетворени от отказа на ICANN 
да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата процедура за 
IDN ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип политика."

Is translated as:
Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to 
register our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for IDN 
ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".

Iliya

На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа:
>
> Thanks Tina for sharing this news.
>
> It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied 
> with the ICANN’s refusal.
>
> Imran
>
> *From:*governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] 
> *On Behalf Of *Tina Dam
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) 
> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?
>
> And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
> and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/
>
> see paragraph 3.
>
> Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a 
> correct translation:
>
> Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role 
> of the
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
> credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. 
> ICANN
> pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
> reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of 
> Cyrillic
> requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports 
> this
> type of policy.
>
> 2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net <mailto:nhklein at gmx.net>>
>
> On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod 
> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438
>
> Daniel
>
> Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global 
> communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *
>
> "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that 
> are developed by the global communities. Those communities did not 
> allow the initial application to go through because of potential 
> visual confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can 
> choose what they want to apply for."
>
>
> Norbert
>
>
> -- 
> A while ago, I started a new blog:
>   
> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
> http://www.thinking21.org/
>   
> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
>   
> Norbert Klein
> nhklein at gmx.net  <mailto:nhklein at gmx.net>
> Phnom Penh / Cambodia
>   
>
>
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From nstoyanova at mtitc.government.bg  Tue Dec  6 08:42:57 2011
From: nstoyanova at mtitc.government.bg (Nelly Stoyanova)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 15:42:57 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?KOI8-R?B?SXMgcmVhbGx5IEJ1bGdhcmlhbiBDeXJpbGxp?=
 =?KOI8-R?B?YyAuwscgKC5iZykgc2ltaWxhciB0byBvdGhlciBMYXRpbiBjY1RMRHM/?=
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Bulgarian government is certainly not satisfied by the refusal for .бг..

The translation is not correct.

 

Nelly

________________________________

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Imran Ahmed Shah
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:24 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Tina Dam'; 'nhklein'
Subject: RE: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

 

Thanks Tina for sharing this news. 

It's really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with the ICANN's refusal.

Imran

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Tina Dam
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein
Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

 

And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/

see paragraph 3. 

 

Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a correct translation:

 

Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN
pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of Cyrillic
requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this
type of policy.

2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>

On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: 

Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod Beckstrom had to say about the issue. 

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438 

Daniel 

 

Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global communities" that supposedly decided against .бг 

"The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to apply for."


Norbert



-- 
A while ago, I started a new blog:
 
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
http://www.thinking21.org/
 
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
 
Norbert Klein
nhklein at gmx.net
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
 


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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 09:26:36 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:26:36 +0500
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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Hi Iliya and Daniel, 

Thanks for immediate correction.

Imran

 

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Iliya Bazlyankov
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 06:40 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Imran Ahmed Shah
Cc: 'Tina Dam'; 'nhklein'
Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

 

Hi,
The translation is not correct.

"Независимо, че останахме основателно неудовлетворени от отказа на ICANN да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата процедура за IDN ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип политика."

Is translated as:
Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to register our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".

Iliya

На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа: 

Thanks Tina for sharing this news. 

It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with the ICANN’s refusal.

Imran

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Tina Dam
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein
Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

 

And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/

see paragraph 3. 

 

Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a correct translation:

 

Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN
pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of Cyrillic
requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this
type of policy.

2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>

On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: 

Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod Beckstrom had to say about the issue. 

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438 

Daniel 

 

Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global communities" that supposedly decided against .бг 

"The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to apply for."


Norbert





-- 
A while ago, I started a new blog:
 
...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
http://www.thinking21.org/
 
continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.
 
Norbert Klein
nhklein at gmx.net
Phnom Penh / Cambodia
 


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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 15:45:35 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:45:35 +0500
Subject: [governance] February 2012 Open Consultation and call for written
 contributions
Message-ID: <CAHuaJtOu5nzm1hc-tyF+schB7=TMazS8jHewo4P9HxRnVOyyDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all and Coordinators

The next Open Consultations and MAG meeting will take place on 14-16
February 2012 at the Palais des Nations in Geneva. The objective of
the meetings is to review the Nairobi meeting and incorporate  the
lessons learned from Nairobi into the start of the preparations for
IGF 2012. The hope is to generate new ideas and make adjustments for
the next IGF meeting.
The dates and a call for written contributions is on the IGF Website
http://www.intgovforum.org. The deadline for submissions is 27 January
2012. These comments will be put into a synthesis paper, which will
act as an input into the February discussions.
It would be prudent to start the process of collecting comments and
devising the IGC review of the IGF and the possible way forward for
future main session themes.

As once again we will be stepping into the MAG relevance issue, we can
continue to encourage an open to all format during the MAG meetings as
similar to earlier this year.

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Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa
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From tinadam at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 16:36:44 2011
From: tinadam at gmail.com (Tina Dam)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:36:44 -0800
Subject: [governance] =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_?=
 =?WINDOWS-1251?Q?=2E=E1=E3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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+1, did not sound right. Still good to see that the process is being
supported.



On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Iliya and Daniel, ****
>
> Thanks for immediate correction.****
>
> Imran****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Iliya Bazlyankov
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 06:40 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Imran Ahmed Shah
> *Cc:* 'Tina Dam'; 'nhklein'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)
> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
> The translation is not correct.
>
> "Независимо, че останахме основателно неудовлетворени от отказа на ICANN
> да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата процедура за IDN
> ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип политика."
>
> Is translated as:
> Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to register
> our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the
> Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".
>
> Iliya
>
> На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа: ****
>
> Thanks Tina for sharing this news. ****
>
> It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with
> the ICANN’s refusal.****
>
> Imran****
>
> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org<governance at lists.cpsr.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Tina Dam
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)
> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****
>
>  ****
>
> And the minister's words: http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie
> and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/****
>
> see paragraph 3. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a
> correct translation:****
>
>  ****
>
> Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain
> credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN
> pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were
> reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of
> Cyrillic
> requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this
> type of policy.****
>
> 2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>****
>
> On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: ****
>
> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod
> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.
>
> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438
>
> Daniel ****
>
>  ****
>
> Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global
> communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *
>
> "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are
> developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the
> initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So
> I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to
> apply for."
>
>
> Norbert
>
>
>
> ****
>
> -- ****
>
> A while ago, I started a new blog:****
>
>  ****
>
> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia****
>
> http://www.thinking21.org/****
>
>  ****
>
> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.****
>
>  ****
>
> Norbert Klein****
>
> nhklein at gmx.net****
>
> Phnom Penh / Cambodia****
>
>  ****
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 17:47:44 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:47:44 +1200
Subject: [governance] WHOIS Policy Review Team Draft Report is out
 [Invitation for Public Comments and Feedback]
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiDgg8QWNMNDZc475z_cHK4SPKBHE09EBwFsMm2LjUa0Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

The WHOIS Policy Review Team, constituted under ICANN's Affirmation of
Commitments with the U.S. Department of Commerce, publishes its Draft
Report and Recommendations for public comment and will close on March 18,
2012 at 23.59UTC.

In addition to general comments and feedback, the Review Team seeks comment
on the following issues:

   - Acceptable timeframes for ICANN to implement the Review Team's
   recommendations;
   - Particular ICANN departments, staff or supporting organizations which
   ought to be tasked with particular recommendations, with some explanation;
   - Input on all Recommendations, including Recommendation 17 in which two
   variations of scope are presented for the "common interface" recommendation;
   - Input on effective and efficient mechanisms for monitoring ICANN's
   progress in implementing the final Recommendations between completion of
   this Report and start of the next WHOIS Policy Review Team; and
   - Additional input and notes.


Please visit the link to read the background and reports can be accessed via

http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-05dec11-en.htm

-- 
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From pouzin at well.com  Tue Dec  6 18:50:33 2011
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 00:50:33 +0100
Subject: [governance] February 2012 Open Consultation and call for written
 contributions
In-Reply-To: <CAHuaJtOu5nzm1hc-tyF+schB7=TMazS8jHewo4P9HxRnVOyyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHuaJtOu5nzm1hc-tyF+schB7=TMazS8jHewo4P9HxRnVOyyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+EjHYrZsRJuu=H=W5XfONd0Oas-W14=C96Jnj+dL7bTEJfEJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Consultations and MAG are distinct meetings.

The IGF site remains obscure on who is invited to attend what and when.

Travel and hotel reservations have to be arranged in no obscure terms, and
not at the last minute.

Who is in charge really in IGF ?
- - -

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 21:45, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all and Coordinators
>
> The next Open Consultations and MAG meeting will take place on 14-16
> February 2012 at the Palais des Nations in Geneva. The objective of
> the meetings is to review the Nairobi meeting and incorporate  the
> lessons learned from Nairobi into the start of the preparations for
> IGF 2012. The hope is to generate new ideas and make adjustments for
> the next IGF meeting.
> The dates and a call for written contributions is on the IGF Website
> http://www.intgovforum.org. The deadline for submissions is 27 January
> 2012. These comments will be put into a synthesis paper, which will
> act as an input into the February discussions.
> It would be prudent to start the process of collecting comments and
> devising the IGC review of the IGF and the possible way forward for
> future main session themes.
>
> As once again we will be stepping into the MAG relevance issue, we can
> continue to encourage an open to all format during the MAG meetings as
> similar to earlier this year.
>
> --
> Regards.
> --------------------------
> Fouad Bajwa
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From aizu at anr.org  Tue Dec  6 22:31:05 2011
From: aizu at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:31:05 +0900
Subject: [governance] February 2012 Open Consultation and call for
 written contributions
In-Reply-To: <CA+EjHYrZsRJuu=H=W5XfONd0Oas-W14=C96Jnj+dL7bTEJfEJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHuaJtOu5nzm1hc-tyF+schB7=TMazS8jHewo4P9HxRnVOyyDQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+EjHYrZsRJuu=H=W5XfONd0Oas-W14=C96Jnj+dL7bTEJfEJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+YNoKjXw6HZa3r64tPRB4qqLYLy6xnK4tuab=4=vnjtgv7+Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Good points, Louis,
It will be helpful if we could find out these at the earliest possible date.

To add, there will be a possibility of having CSTD IGF WG meeting
back-to-back with IGF Open consultation meeting, but not fixed.
It will depend on the progress of Jan CSTD WG meeting, scheduled
Jan 11-13 in Geneva, too.

I will ask WG Chair for his plan.

Thanks,

izumi


2011/12/7 Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Consultations and MAG are distinct meetings.
>
> The IGF site remains obscure on who is invited to attend what and when.
>
> Travel and hotel reservations have to be arranged in no obscure terms, and
> not at the last minute.
>
> Who is in charge really in IGF ?
> - - -
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 21:45, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all and Coordinators
>>
>> The next Open Consultations and MAG meeting will take place on 14-16
>> February 2012 at the Palais des Nations in Geneva. The objective of
>> the meetings is to review the Nairobi meeting and incorporate  the
>> lessons learned from Nairobi into the start of the preparations for
>> IGF 2012. The hope is to generate new ideas and make adjustments for
>> the next IGF meeting.
>> The dates and a call for written contributions is on the IGF Website
>> http://www.intgovforum.org. The deadline for submissions is 27 January
>> 2012. These comments will be put into a synthesis paper, which will
>> act as an input into the February discussions.
>> It would be prudent to start the process of collecting comments and
>> devising the IGC review of the IGF and the possible way forward for
>> future main session themes.
>>
>> As once again we will be stepping into the MAG relevance issue, we can
>> continue to encourage an open to all format during the MAG meetings as
>> similar to earlier this year.
>>
>> --
>> Regards.
>> --------------------------
>> Fouad Bajwa
>
>
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 22:36:29 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:36:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
Message-ID: <1323228989.44204.yint-ygo-j2me@web161014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi, Avri.
Have u got time to draft a IGC letter about FT regarding Bulgarian IDNcctLD to m/s ICANN.
Thanks
Imran

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 02:36 PKT Tina Dam wrote:>+1, did not sound right. Still good to see that the process is being>supported.>>>>On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Hi Iliya and Daniel, ****>>>> Thanks for immediate correction.****>>>> Imran****>>>> ** **>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On>> Behalf Of *Iliya Bazlyankov>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 06:40 PM>> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Imran Ahmed Shah>> *Cc:* 'Tina Dam'; 'nhklein'>>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)>> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****>>>> ** **>>>> Hi,>> The translation is not correct.>>>> "Независимо, че останахме основателно неудовлетворени от отказа на ICANN>> да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата процедура за IDN>>
 ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип политика.">>>> Is translated as:>> Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to register>> our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the>> Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".>>>> Iliya>>>> На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа: ****>>>> Thanks Tina for sharing this news. ****>>>> It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with>> the ICANN’s refusal.****>>>> Imran****>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org<governance at lists.cpsr.org>]>> *On Behalf Of *Tina Dam>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM>> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)>> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****>>>>  ****>>>> And the minister's words:
 http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie>> and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/****>>>> see paragraph 3. ****>>>>  ****>>>> Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a>> correct translation:****>>>>  ****>>>> Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain>> credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN>> pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were>> reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of>> Cyrillic>> requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this>> type of policy.****>>>> 2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>****>>>> On 12/01/2011 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: ****>>>> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod>> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.>>>>
 http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438>>>> Daniel ****>>>>  ****>>>> Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global>> communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *>>>> "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are>> developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the>> initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So>> I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to>> apply for.">>>>>> Norbert>>>>>>>> ****>>>> -- ****>>>> A while ago, I started a new blog:****>>>>  ****>>>> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia****>>>> http://www.thinking21.org/****>>>>  ****>>>> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.****>>>>  ****>>>> Norbert Klein****>>>> nhklein at gmx.net****>>>> Phnom Penh / Cambodia****>>>>  ****>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________>> You received this
 message as a subscriber on the list:>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org>> To be removed from the list, visit:>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing>>>> For all other list information and functions, see:>>     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/>>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t>>>>>> ****>>>>  ****>>>> ** **>>
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From nhklein at gmx.net  Tue Dec  6 10:31:06 2011
From: nhklein at gmx.net (nhklein)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:31:06 +0700
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4EDE1B33.6030007@uninet.bg>
References: <4ED781BF.7060900@digsys.bg>	<4ED7A459.1070900@gmx.net> <CAN8jcvDCJgQPenvXjoeVWT2Sio0EWApaqUvYpJq4gLDdnDdx9w@mail.gmail.com> <000b01ccb41a$5137e9f0$f3a7bdd0$@yahoo.com> <4EDE1B33.6030007@uninet.bg>
Message-ID: <4EDE353A.5030801@gmx.net>

Thanks for the clarifications,

Norbert

> Hi,
> The translation is not correct.
>
> "Независимо, че останахме основателно неудовлетворени от отказа на 
> ICANN да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата 
> процедура за IDN ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип 
> политика."
>
> Is translated as:
> Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to 
> register our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for 
> IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".
>
> Iliya 
= =
> Tina,
>
> The text you translated from Bulgarian says exactly the opposite:
>
>
> "... Despite we were reasonably UNSATISFIED by the refusal of ICANN to 
> register our string in Cyrillic, applied for via the Fast Track IDN 
> ccTLD process, the Bulgarian Government supports this type of politics."
>
> So much about Google Translate.
>
> Daniel
= =
>
> На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа:
>>
>> Thanks Tina for sharing this news.
>>
>> It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied 
>> with the ICANN’s refusal.
>>
>> Imran
>>
>>

-- 
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...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia
http://www.thinking21.org/

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From meryem at marzouki.info  Wed Dec  7 12:15:02 2011
From: meryem at marzouki.info (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:15:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] CSISAC Job Opening: Community Manager and Liaison to
 OECD
Message-ID: <39910E12-D351-41B2-97E7-672A859CB477@marzouki.info>

Dear all,

Please consider and help disseminate the following job advertisement for "CSISAC Community Manager and Liaison to OECD". 
This job advertisement below is also available at: http://csisac.org/2011/12/csisac_job_opening_community_m.php
The full job description (linked from the advertisement text) is at: http://csisac.org/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011.pdf

Looking forward to receive excellent applications!
Best regards,
Meryem Marzouki

==== CSISAC Job Advertisement===
Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council to the OECD (CSISAC)

Community Manager and Liaison to OECD

Are you a brilliant and experienced community manager, people-motivator, public-interest advocate, while being a diplomat, knowledgeable and showing strong interest in policy related to the internet, telecommunications and information society?

If so, we are looking for just such a person to co-ordinate our activities. Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (CSISAC) is an international alliance of privacy, digital rights, consumer organisations and academia. Its main purpose is to contribute constructively to the policy work of the OECD Committee that works on everything related to the information society.  The job of the liaison person is to be the contact point between the members and the relevant OECD committees and working parties, co-ordinate, inspire, engage and organise the members, as well as represent the alliance effectively and carry out essential administrative duties.  The position is part-time, for 2.5 days per week, though distributed unevenly during the year. It is on a contract/freelance basis and you can be based in Europe, ideally within easy distance of the OECD headquarters in Paris, but we will consider skilled candidates who are further afield.  Further details can be found in the attached full job description which can also be downloadedfromhttp://csisac.org/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011.pdf, and further information about CSISAC can be foundonwww.csisac.org.

Please apply in writing, enclosing a CV with at least one reference who may be contacted and a cover letter of no more than one page, explaining how you meet the qualifications and skills outlined in the job description. Deadline for applications is 31 December 2011.  Apply by email to Meryem Marzouki (EDRI representative, CSISAC Steering Committee member: meryem[at]marzouki[dot]info). Shortlisted candidates will be provided with specific information on salary during their interview.
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 22:31:25 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:31:25 +0600
Subject: [governance] The Dot Africa Domain Name
Message-ID: <1364B3EE15ED4F1E8EC192F2CAEB42C1@UserVAIO>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/07/tech/africa-domain-name/index.html?hpt=hp_
c2

M

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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 08:30:13 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:30:13 +0300
Subject: [governance] The Dot Africa Domain Name
In-Reply-To: <1364B3EE15ED4F1E8EC192F2CAEB42C1@UserVAIO>
References: <1364B3EE15ED4F1E8EC192F2CAEB42C1@UserVAIO>
Message-ID: <CACAaNxiFFy1iDTP6btv3TgjkWDiP4iWY1tSDRh-A7H-Pqo43pg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/11, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/07/tech/africa-domain-name/index.html?hpt=hp_
> c2


This is likely to be a highly contested string, complicated by the
fact that ICANN has opened the door (in the DAG) to
intergovernmentalism by saying that a continental wide TLD like
.africa needs documentation of support from the appropriate body,
which in our case seems to be the AU (hence the AU RFP for a partner
to run .africa).

So at the end of that process, only one bidder will have the
documentation.  Unfortunately, they seem to have approved another
group a few years ago (and rescinded that letter of approval), so
maybe there will be 2 bidders for the string.

A further complication came from the Ministerial in Dakar whose
communique says, in part:


"HEREBY REQUEST THE BOARD OF ICANN TO:  Include (.Africa, .Afrique,
.Afrikia .ايقيرفا), and its representation in any other language on
the Reserved Names List in order to enjoy the level of special
legislativeprotection, so to be managed and operated by the structure
that is selected andidentified by the African Union."

So really, it's anybody's guess at this point.

DCA is pretty good at planting stories in the media, unfortunately,
they are also capable of hate filled rants, the likes of which have
never before been seen in the IG realm (outside of Jeff Williams
perhaps).


http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/yes-campaign/vote-no/vote-no-for-dandjinou/

http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/yes-campaign/vote-no/no-african-union-eoi/

http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/yes-campaign/vote-no/dakar-african-agenda-arc/

http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/yes-campaign/vote-no/african-registry-consortium/

http://www.dotconnectafrica.org/2011/05/no-nii-quaynor-vice-chair-african-union-africa-taskforce/


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Fri Dec  9 03:16:23 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:16:23 +0100
Subject: [governance] Freedom Online conference & UNGA developments
Message-ID: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch>

Hi

The second half of this Dutch foreign ministry conference will be webcast today if anyone's interested.  Good MS participation there, including by some caucus members.  
http://www.minbuza.nl/en/ministry/conference-on-internet-freedom

Hillary Clinton spoke yesterday and inter alia expressed opposition to the Russia/China/Uzbekistan/Tajikistan code of conduct proposal in the UNGA.  
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/09/world/at-hague-hillary-rodham-clinton-urges-countries-not-to-restrict-internet.html?hpw

Is anyone aware what discussions have or will take place on that?  In September the caucus sent a letter to the president of the GA but I've not heard anything about this since.  Same for the Indian UNGA proposal… If anyone's following the GA, any update would be helpful…

Best,

Bill















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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec  9 04:28:42 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:58:42 +0530
Subject: [governance] Sibal demands pre-censorship of user-uploaded
 content
In-Reply-To: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>
References: <4EDDA1E4.4080507@cis-india.org>
Message-ID: <4EE1D4CA.8040909@itforchange.net>



On Tuesday 06 December 2011 10:32 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
> In a moment of divine inspiration, the Indian Minister for
> Communications and Information Technology asks Facebook, Google, Yahoo
> and Microsoft to pre-censor user-uploaded content.
>    

Appears indeed to be a sudden strike from the 'unexplainable realm', but 
for the fact that the Minister reaffirmed and further 'clarified' the 
demand in a press conference. It is not clear what exactly does he and 
his ministry mean by it and want to do about it, because I credit the 
minister with enough intelligence to know that it is simply impossible 
for these companies to do what he is asking them to.

parminder




> // Pranesh
>
>  From the New York Times, which broke the story:
>
> <http://goo.gl/BXQHY>
>
> DECEMBER 5, 2011, 6:33 AM
> India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content
>
> By HEATHER TIMMONS
>
> The Indian government has asked Internet companies and social media
> sites like Facebook to prescreen user content from India and to remove
> disparaging, inflammatory or defamatory content before it goes online,
> three executives in the information technology industry say.
>
> Top officials from the Indian units of Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and
> Facebook are meeting with Kapil Sibal, India’s acting telecommunications
> minister, on Monday afternoon to discuss the issue, say two executives
> of Internet companies. The executives asked not to be identified because
> they are not authorized to speak to the media on the issue.
>
> Mr. Sibal’s office confirmed that he would meet with Internet service
> providers Monday but did not provide more information about the content
> of the meeting.
>
> About six weeks ago, Mr. Sibal called legal representatives from the top
> Internet service providers and Facebook into his New Delhi office, said
> one of the executives who was briefed on the meeting.
>
> At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned
> the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi.  “This is unacceptable,”
> he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way
> to monitor what is posted on their sites.
>
> In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr.
> Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen
> content, not technology, the executive said.
>
> The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he
> expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers
> looking for objectionable content and deleting it before it is posted.
>
> The executives said representatives from these companies will tell Mr.
> Sibal at the meeting on Monday that his demand is impossible, given the
> volume of user-generated content coming from India, and that they cannot
> be responsible for determining what is and isn’t defamatory or disparaging.
>
> “If there’s a law and there’s a court order, we can follow up on it,”
> said an executive from one of the companies attending the meeting. But
> these companies can’t be in the business of deciding what is and isn’t
> legal to post, he said.
>
> Yahoo, Facebook and Microsoft did not respond immediately to calls for
> comment, and a Google spokeswoman said the company had no comment on the
> issue. Facebook said earlier this year it has more than 25 million users
> in India. Google has over 100 million Internet users in India.
>
> The demand is the Indian government’s latest attempt to monitor and
> control electronic information. In April, the ministry issued rules
> demanding Internet service providers delete information posted on Web
> sites that officials or private citizens deemed disparaging or
> harassing. Last year, the government battled with Blackberry’s
> manufacturer, Research In Motion, threatening to shut the company’s
> service off in India if it did not allow government officials greater
> access to users’ messages.
>
> The Indian government also plans to set up its own unit to monitor
> information posted on Web sites and social media sites, executives said,
> which will report to Gulshan Rai, the director general of India’s
> cyber-security monitor.
>
> A man who answered the phone in Mr. Rai’s office said he did not talk to
> the press and hung up when a reporter asked for a press contact.
>
> Some Indian cities like Mumbai have already set up special units to
> monitor Internet sites like Facebook and Orkut, the social networking
> site operated by Google, for content considered disparaging or obscene.
> India has made nearly 70 requests to Google to remove content between
> January and June of this year, one of the highest request rates of any
> country though less than the United States’s 92 and Brazil’s 224,
> according to Google’s transparency report.
>
> Vikas Bajaj contributed reporting from Mumbai.
>
>
>    
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec  9 04:33:22 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:03:22 +0530
Subject: [governance] Freedom Online conference & UNGA developments
In-Reply-To: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch>
References: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net>



On Friday 09 December 2011 01:46 PM, William Drake wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is anyone aware what discussions have or will take place on that?  In 
> September the caucus sent a letter to the president of the GA but I've 
> not heard anything about this since.  Same for the Indian UNGA 
> proposal… If anyone's following the GA, any update would be helpful…

India of course has not pressed for inclusion of its proposal into the 
UN GA resolution on ICTD of this year, since it is still a proposal up 
for discussion and providing inputs and suggestions.

On the other hand, I understand that there is an effort by G 77 to get 
the enhanced cooperation topic to CSTD (Commission on Science and 
Technology and Development) in a more focused and formal manner then it 
is in any case being handled there at present,  through an open 
consultation/ meeting on it this May at the CSTD annual session. parminder

>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ***************************************************
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> International Fellow
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> University of Zurich, Switzerland
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Fri Dec  9 04:43:08 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:43:08 +0100
Subject: [governance] Freedom Online conference & UNGA developments
In-Reply-To: <4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net>
References: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch> <4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net>
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Thanks Parminder.  One follow up:

On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:33 AM, parminder wrote:

> On the other hand, I understand that there is an effort by G 77 to get the enhanced cooperation topic to CSTD (Commission on Science and Technology and Development) in a more focused and formal manner then it is in any case being handled there at present,  through an open consultation/ meeting on it this May at the CSTD annual session.

I've heard the idea is being floated of a formal CSTD working group on enhanced cooperation, potentially to include the Indian CIRP proposal.  But I've not spoken with anyone from G-77 or seen any related docs on their website.  Do you happen to know anything about that, and whether there's info available somewhere?

Best,

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec  9 05:00:54 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:30:54 +0530
Subject: [governance] Freedom Online conference & UNGA developments
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References: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch> <4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net> <0416C4B2-CC1C-40BD-9779-ECF68DB1AA06@uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <4EE1DC56.4010903@itforchange.net>



On Friday 09 December 2011 03:13 PM, William Drake wrote:
> Thanks Parminder.  One follow up:
>
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:33 AM, parminder wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, I understand that there is an effort by G 77 to 
>> get the enhanced cooperation topic to CSTD (Commission on Science and 
>> Technology and Development) in a more focused and formal manner then 
>> it is in any case being handled there at present,  through an open 
>> consultation/ meeting on it this May at the CSTD annual session.
>
> I've heard the idea is being floated of a formal CSTD working group on 
> enhanced cooperation, potentially to include the Indian CIRP proposal.

Bill,

Such a CSTD WG was proposed by the IBSA statement in Dec 2010 to the 
UNDESA consultation  and was also a part of the statement of India in 
Oct 2011 to the Gen Assembly on CIRP.    (Any such WG will of course 
look into all proposals on the table, and as we know there are not many. 
One hopes that a more formal move in this regard with 'force' others to 
put up their proposals regarding enhanced cooperation mandate of WSIS 
rather than do the politics of abstaining - and to press the point a 
little harder, the politics of obfuscation, which in effect really is 
the politics of status quo.)

However, again purely based on hearsay, it seems more likely that there 
will be a Chair of CSTD held open consultation/ meeting in May than a 
CSTD WG. parminder

>  But I've not spoken with anyone from G-77 or seen any related docs on 
> their website.  Do you happen to know anything about that, and whether 
> there's info available somewhere?
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
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From Elvana.THACI at coe.int  Fri Dec  9 08:07:48 2011
From: Elvana.THACI at coe.int (THACI Elvana)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:07:48 +0000
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and attacks
 on Internet
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Dear list,

For your information

http://www.coe.int/lportal/en/web/coe-portal/press/newsroom?p_p_id=newsroom&_newsroom_articleId=736488&_newsroom_groupId=10226&_newsroom_tabs=newsroom-topnews&pager.offset=0

Best regards,

Elvana Thaçi
Information Society Unit
Information Society and Action Against Crime Directorate
DG I - Human Rights and Rule of Law
Council of Europe
F-67075 Strasbourg Cedex
Tel.  + 33 (0) 3 90 21 56 98
Fax. + 33 (0) 3 88 41 27 05
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 11:28:58 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:28:58 +0200
Subject: [governance] America's Internet -- Now as Good as Angola's
Message-ID: <4EE2374A.3080704@gmail.com>



Timothy Karr <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr>

Campaign Director, Free Press and SavetheInternet 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/americas-internet-now-as-_b_1138775.html


  America's Internet -- Now as Good as Angola's

Posted: 12/ 9/11 10:13 AM ET

A recent letter to the editor 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/opinion/bringing-high-speed-internet-to-all.html> 
of the /New York Times/ from Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg had me 
scratching my head.

Seidenberg wrote torebut a /Times/ Op-Ed 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/opinion/sunday/internet-access-and-the-new-divide.html?pagewanted=print> 
by former White House technology adviser Susan Crawford, in which she 
argues that the United States' high-speed Internet marketplace suffers 
from a lack of competition, a problem that drives broadband prices up 
and services down for American Internet users.

"Over the last 10 years, we have deregulated high-speed Internet access 
in the hope that competition among providers would protect consumers," 
Crawford wrote. "The result? We now have neither a functioning 
competitive market for high-speed wired Internet access nor government 
oversight."

*Our Broadband Backwater*

Indeed. It's gotten so bad the U.S. has gone from number one in 
broadband penetration at the close of the 20th century down to -- 
depending on the survey -- 18th, 22nd or 25th in the world. And 
Americans continue to pay a whole lot more and get a whole lot less 
<http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/sites/cyber.law.harvard.edu/files/Berkman_Center_Broadband_Final_Report_15Feb2010.pdf> 
of the Internet speeds that we deserve.

Compare our circumstances to those in Japan, for example, where Internet 
users are accustomed to surfing 
<http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/the-cost-to-offer-the-worlds-fastest-broadband-20-per-home/> 
the Web at speeds of 100 Mbps (or megabits per second) at the same 
prices Americans pay for dial-up. In Hong Kong, one provider now offers 
<http://www.convergedigest.com/DSL/lastmilearticle.asp?ID=33367&ctgy=> a 
$20 a month "triple play" package that includes a blistering 1,000 Mbps 
data service.

Despite the evidence, Verizon's Seidenberg wrote that Crawford was 
wrong; America's Internet is the best in the world.

"America has a very good broadband story; someone just has to be willing 
to tell it," Seidenberg argues in his letter to the /Times/. As evidence 
he cites a 2011 World Economic Forum global survey, which in the words 
of Seidenberg "ranks the United States first in Internet competition."

Say what? I had to see that for myself.

The most recent WEF "Global Competitiveness" report 
<http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GCR_Report_2011-12.pdf> (pdf) features 
U.S. rankings on page 363. The good news is that we're ranked first in 
the world for available airline seats. But the United States' Internet 
rankings are terrible. We're 18th in the availability of the latest 
technology, 18th in Internet users per capita and 26th in Internet 
bandwidth per capita.

Perhaps Seidenberg's evidence is buried elsewhere. On page 294 of 
another WEF report 
<http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GITR_Report_2011.pdf> (pdf) I found a 
section on "political and regulatory environments" that featured an 
Internet and telephone sector competition index.

The report allegedly looks at the level of competition for "retail 
Internet access services, for international long-distance calls, and for 
digital cellular mobile services," placing countries on a 0 (worst) to 6 
(best) scale.

But it doesn't actually measure market competition beyond determining 
whether these three separate fields remain state-sanctioned monopolies.

Well, U.S. telecommunications isn't a monopoly anymore. We did manage to 
break up Ma Bell in the 1980s, but her children are showing every 
intention to reassemble themselves as a modern-day equivalent. That 
hasn't happened. At least not yet, so on retail Internet access we get a 
2, indicating that its not a monopoly market; on international long 
distance we get a 2; and on digital cellular mobile services we get a 2.

Our cumulative score is a 6, according to the report, the best possible 
ranking -- or "first in Internet competition" in Seidenberg's profoundly 
misleading interpretation.

Want to know who else came in "first?"

*Sixty other countries, including Angola, Burundi, the Kyrgyz Republic, 
Venezuela and Vietnam.*

We're all Number One!

So if you are proud that the U.S. offers an Internet that's on par with, 
er... Angola's, stand beside Seidenberg and wave the flag.

But if you agree with Crawford that the lack of true competition in the 
U.S. has put us on a perilous path, demand that we do more to guarantee 
universal and affordable access in a marketplace with real choices.

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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Dec 10 07:28:24 2011
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:28:24 +0100
Subject: [governance] Hillary Clinton in The Hague
References: <4EE2374A.3080704@gmail.com>
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http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/12/178511.htm
 
wolfgang
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Sat Dec 10 09:44:37 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:14:37 +0530
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
Message-ID: <4EE37055.60508@itforchange.net>



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/antipiracy-laws-congress-sopa-269625?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+thr/news+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29

Hi All

See the story at the above link about how whether SOPA is enacted or not 
(or enacted in a slightly diluted form) the US establishment is already 
using the kind of devices SOPA puts at its services for very strict 
SOPA-like IP enforcement over the Internet. And such control and 
enforcement also gets done in both extra-territorial and extra legal 
manners (for instance, in the case of wikileaks).

With the major Internet nodes of power all in the US - ICANN (DNS and 
IANA), major registries, online payment services, online advertisement 
companies, major international ISPs, biggest web hosting services, 
monopoly search engines and social media companies, etc,   - it was 
always obvious that such hugely dis-proportionate US control of the 
Internet system will be a problem for the global nature of the Internet. 
However, most people in the IG civil society still like to turn a blind 
eye to this problem - hoping it will somehow go away. No, it certainly 
wont go away. It will keep becoming more and more vicious till there is 
just no other way than to take the right steps toward developing global 
principles and institution for global Internet governance that are 
genuinely democratic and participatory. And by then, considerable damage 
will already have been done to the techno-social architecture of the 
global Internet.

BTW, the use of these multiple nodes and devices of power, as mentioned 
earlier -- ICANN (DNS and IANA), major registries, online payment 
services, online advertisement companies, major international ISPs, 
biggest web hosting services, monopoly search engines and social media 
companies, etc,   - in various combinations, to do legal, extra legal 
and extra territorial enforcement of rule and power is a fine example of 
private networked governance. This model typically awards power with 
more power, and that is the problem with it; something which will fit 
very well with Castellsians theories of power distribution in and 
through an automated and politically unchecked network .

We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the 
global Internet.

Parminder




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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Sat Dec 10 10:23:45 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:23:45 +0100
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
In-Reply-To: <4EE37055.60508@itforchange.net>
References: <4EE37055.60508@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <7866F84A-504B-4BE6-90A6-18C6FDA2C234@uzh.ch>

P,

I admire the breadth of your interests.  You read the Hollywood Reporter?  :-)

BD



On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:44 PM, parminder wrote:

> 
> 
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/antipiracy-laws-congress-sopa-269625?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+thr/news+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29
> 
> Hi All
> 
> See the story at the above link about how whether SOPA is enacted or not (or enacted in a slightly diluted form) the US establishment is already using the kind of devices SOPA puts at its services for very strict SOPA-like IP enforcement over the Internet. And such control and enforcement also gets done in both extra-territorial and extra legal manners (for instance, in the case of wikileaks).
> 
> With the major Internet nodes of power all in the US - ICANN (DNS and IANA), major registries, online payment services, online advertisement companies, major international ISPs, biggest web hosting services, monopoly search engines and social media companies, etc,   - it was always obvious that such hugely dis-proportionate US control of the Internet system will be a problem for the global nature of the Internet. However, most people in the IG civil society still like to turn a blind eye to this problem - hoping it will somehow go away. No, it certainly wont go away. It will keep becoming more and more vicious till there is just no other way than to take the right steps toward developing global principles and institution for global Internet governance that are genuinely democratic and participatory. And by then, considerable damage will already have been done to the techno-social architecture of the global Internet. 
> 
> BTW, the use of these multiple nodes and devices of power, as mentioned earlier -- ICANN (DNS and IANA), major registries, online payment services, online advertisement companies, major international ISPs, biggest web hosting services, monopoly search engines and social media companies, etc,   -   in various combinations, to do legal, extra legal and extra territorial enforcement of rule and power is a fine example of private networked governance. This model typically awards power with more power, and that is the problem with it; something which will fit very well with Castellsians theories of power distribution in and through an automated and politically unchecked network . 
> 
> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet.
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 12:58:31 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:58:31 +0200
Subject: [governance] Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny
 All Due Process, Hide All Details...
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  Breaking News: Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny
  All Due Process, Hide All Details...


      from the /copyright-as-censorship/ dept

Imagine if the US government, with no notice or warning, raided a small 
but popular magazine's offices over a Thanksgiving weekend, seized the 
company's printing presses, and told the world that the magazine was a 
criminal enterprise with a giant banner on their building. Then imagine 
that it never arrested anyone, never let a trial happen, and filed 
everything about the case under seal, not even letting the magazine's 
lawyers talk to the judge presiding over the case. And it continued to 
deny any due process at all for /over a year/, before finally just 
handing everything back to the magazine and pretending nothing happened. 
I expect most people would be outraged. I expect that nearly all of you 
would say that's a classic case of prior restraint, a massive First 
Amendment violation, and exactly the kind of thing that does not, or 
should not, happen in the United States.

But, in a story that's been in the making for over a year, and which 
we're exposing to the public for the first time now, this is /exactly/ 
the scenario that has played out over the past year -- with the only 
difference being that, rather than "a printing press" and a "magazine," 
the story involved "a domain" and a "blog."

There are so many things about this story that are crazy, it's difficult 
to know where to start, so let's give the most important point first: 
The US government has effectively admitted that it totally screwed up 
and falsely seized & censored a non-infringing domain of a popular blog, 
having falsely claimed that it was taking part in *criminal* copyright 
infringement. Then, after trying to hide behind a totally secretive 
court process with absolutely no due process whatsoever (in fact, not 
even serving papers on the lawyer for the site or providing timely 
notifications -- or providing any documents at all), for /over a year/, 
the government has finally realized it couldn't hide any more and has 
given up, and returned the domain name to its original owner. If you 
ever wanted to understand why ICE's domain seizures violate the law -- 
and why SOPA and PROTECT IP are almost certainly unconstitutional -- 
look no further than what happened in this case.

Okay, now some details. First, remember Dajaz1.com <http://dajaz1.com/>? 
It was one of the sites seized 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101128/15302012021/who-needs-coica-when-homeland-security-gets-to-seize-domain-names.shtml> 
over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend back in 2010 -- a little over a 
year ago. Those seizures struck us as particularly interesting, because 
among the sites seized were a bunch of hip hop blogs 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101130/00245312049/if-newly-seized-domains-were-purely-dedicated-to-infringement-why-was-kanye-west-using-one.shtml>, 
including a few that were highly ranked on Vibe's list of the top hip 
hop blogs. These weren't the kinds of things anyone would expect, when 
supporters of these domain seizures and laws like SOPA and PROTECT IP 
talk of "rogue sites." Blogs would have lots of protected speech, and in 
the hip hop community these blogs, in particular, were like the new 
radio. Artists routinely leaked their works directly to these sites in 
order to promote their albums. We even pointed to a few cases of stars 
like Kanye West and Diddy tweeting links to some of the seized domains 
in the past.

In fact, as the details 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101217/01190512310/homeland-security-presents-evidence-domain-seizures-proves-it-knows-little-about-internet---law.shtml> 
came out, it became clear that ICE and the Justice Department were in 
/way/ over their heads. ICE's "investigation" was done by a technically 
inept recent college grad, who didn't even seem to understand the basics 
of the technology. But it didn't stop him from going to a judge and 
asking for a site to be completely censored with no due process.

The Dajaz1 case became particularly interesting to us, after we saw 
evidence 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101222/02112912376/more-bigger-mistakes-discovered-homeland-securitys-domain-seizures.shtml> 
showing that the songs that ICE used in its affidavit as "evidence" of 
criminal copyright infringement were songs sent by representatives of 
the copyright holder with the request that the site publicize the works 
-- in one case, even coming from a VP at a major music label. Even 
worse, about the only evidence that ICE had that these songs were 
infringing was the word of the "VP of Anti-Piracy Legal Affairs for the 
RIAA," Carlos Linares, who was simply not in a position to know if the 
songs were infringing or authorized. In fact, one of the songs involved 
an artist not even represented by an RIAA label, and Linares clearly had 
absolutely no right to speak on behalf of that artist.

Despite all of this, the government simply seized the domain, put up a 
big scary warning graphic on the site, suggesting its operators were 
criminals, and then refused to comment /at all/ about the case. 
Defenders of the seizures insisted that this was all perfectly legal and 
nothing to be worried about. They promised us that the government had 
every right to do this and plenty of additional evidence to back up its 
claims. They promised us that the government would allow for plenty of 
due process within a reasonable amount of time. They also insisted that, 
after hearing nothing happening in the case for many months, it meant 
that no attempt to object to the seizure had occurred. Turns out... none 
of that was true.

What happened next is a story that should never happen in the US. It's 
like something out of Kafka or the movie /Brazil/, but it should never 
have happened under the US Constitution. First, you have to understand 
the two separate processes: there's seizure and then there's forfeiture. 
Under the seizure laws, the government has 60 days from seizure to 
"notify" those whose property it seized (imagine having the government 
swoop in and take away your property, and not even being told why for 
two whole months). Once notified, the property owner has 35 days to file 
a claim to request the return of the property. If that doesn't happen, 
the government can effectively just keep the property, so it tends to 
rely on intimidation and threats towards anyone who indicates plans to 
ask for their property back (usually in the form of threatening to file 
charges). However, if such a claim is filed, the government then has *90 
days* to start the full "forfeiture" process, which would allow the 
government to keep the seized property and never have to give it back. 
If the claim to return the property is filed and the government does not 
file for forfeiture, it is required to return the property. Thus 
seizures are /supposedly/ used as a temporary part of the investigation, 
to stop criminal activity or to prevent the destruction of evidence. 
However, that's not how things always play out in real life.

As we'd heard with a number of domain names that had been seized, the 
government began stalling 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110521/15125114374/why-we-havent-seen-any-lawsuits-filed-against-government-over-domain-seizures-justice-department-stalling.shtml> 
like mad when contacted by representatives for domain holders seeking to 
get their domains back. ICE even flat out lied to the public 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110608/20310614626/ice-wants-european-countries-to-join-domain-seizure-party.shtml>, 
stating that no one was challenging the seizures, when it /knew/ full 
well that some sites were 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110612/21573514664/list-sites-challenging-domain-seizures.shtml>, 
in fact, challenging. Out of that came the Rojadirecta case 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/12021514673/rojadirecta-sues-us-government-homeland-security-ice-over-domain-seizure.shtml>, 
but what of Dajaz1?

After continuing to stall and refusing to respond to Dajaz1's filing 
requesting the domain be returned, the government told Dajaz1's lawyer, 
Andrew P. Bridges, that it would begin forfeiture procedures (as 
required by law if it wanted to keep the domain). Bridges made clear 
that Dajaz1 would challenge the forfeiture procedure and seek to get the 
domain name back at that time. Then, the deadline for the government to 
file for forfeiture *came and went and nothing apparently happened*. 
Absolutely nothing. Bridges contacted the government to ask what was 
going on, and was told that the government had received an extension 
from the court. Bridges, quite reasonably, asked how that was possible 
without him, as counsel for the site, being informed of it or given a 
chance to make the case for why such an extension was improper.

He also asked for a copy of the the court's order allowing the 
extension. *The government told him no and that the extension was filed 
under seal and could not be released, even in redacted form.*

He asked for the motion papers asking for the extension. *The government 
told him no and that the papers were filed under seal and could not be 
released, even in redacted form.*

He again asked whether he would be notified about further filings for 
extensions. *The government told him no*.

He then asked the US attorney to inform the court that, if the 
government made another request for an extension, the domain owner 
opposed the extension and would like the opportunity to be heard. *The 
government would not agree.*

And file further extensions the government did. Repeatedly. Or, at least 
that's what Bridges was told. He sent someone to investigate the docket 
at the court, but the docket itself was secret, meaning there was no 
record of any of this available.

The government was required to file for forfeiture by May. The initial 
(supposed) secret extension was until July. Then it got another one that 
went until September. And then /another one/ until November... or so the 
government said. When Bridges asked the government for /some proof/ that 
it had actually obtained the extensions in question, the government 
attorney told Bridges that he would just have "trust" him.

Finally, the government decided that it would *not file a forfeiture 
complaint -- because there was no probable cause --* and it let the last 
(supposed) extension expire. Only after Bridges asked /*again*/ for the 
status of the domain did the government indicate that it would return 
the domain to its owner -- something that finally happened *today*. 
Dajaz1.com <http://dajaz1.com/> is finally back in the hands of its 
rightful owner. This is really quite incredible, considering the "rush" 
with which it seized these domain names, claiming the urgency in 
stopping a crime in progress. But, of course, after realizing that it 
had no evidence to suggest a crime was ever in progress - there was 
absolutely no urgency to correct the error.

The level of secrecy in this case makes it sound like a terrorist 
investigation, not the censorship of a popular music blog. Normally, 
when there's a lawsuit, the docket is available on PACER. Even in cases 
where things are filed under seal or everything is redacted, there's at 
least a placeholder for them in PACER. This case does not exist anywhere 
that anyone can find. The docket was apparently kept hidden in a judge's 
office in Los Angeles the whole time. No one knew this was going on, 
other than the US Attorney and the representatives of Dajaz1 (who still 
never saw the docket or the extension orders).

Let's just take stock here for a second. We have the government clearly 
censoring free speech in the form of a blog that discussed the music 
world and was widely recognized for its influence in promoting new acts. 
The government seized the blog with no adversarial hearing and no 
initial due process. Then, rather than actually provide some sort of 
belated due process in the form of an adversarial hearing, it continued 
to deny any and all due process by secretly (even to Dajaz1's own 
lawyer) extending the seizure without any way to challenge those 
extensions. All in all, the government completely censored a popular web 
site *for over a year*, when it had no real evidence for probable cause 
of infringement, as it had falsely claimed in the original rubber 
stamped affidavit. As we noted in reviewing the affidavit, the case had 
been put together by folks who clearly did not understand the law, the 
site or the music space. But to then double down on that and continue to 
hold the domain for a year in secret? That just compounds the error and 
takes it to new extremes.

This was flat out censorship for no reason, for an entire year, by the 
US government... Everyone should be horrified by this. It also shows 
what a joke the claims of supporters are that since "a judge reviewed 
the affidavit," there's due process. Without the other party, there is 
no real due process. Not only that, but the government made sure, *at 
every step of the way*, that the other party *was not heard*. That's 
horrifying. It wasn't just an act of omission in leaving out the party, 
but actively preventing the party from being heard.

And yet the feds and private companies continue to say we should just 
"trust them" to get these kinds of things right? Even more bizarre, they 
want to expand their ability to do this incontestable censorship through 
laws like PROTECT IP and SOPA? If anything, this massive screwup on the 
part of ICE, the Justice Department and the RIAA should lead us to go in 
the other direction. ICE and the DOJ should be investigated and 
reprimanded, if not directly penalized, for clear First Amendment 
violations, while the ICE program for seizing domains should be 
dismantled. John Morton, who led ICE's domain seizure program, should 
tender his resignation or be fired. Victoria Espinel, the Intellectual 
Property Enforcement Coordinator, who defended these seizures to 
Congress, should issue a public apology, and begin a process to revamp 
the government's role in such enforcement actions (and consider 
tendering her resignation as well). The federal government should issue 
a huge apology to the operators of Dajaz1 and make it clear that it will 
no longer take such drastic censorship actions. The RIAA should be 
investigated for providing claims about the site that were not true, and 
which it had no right to make.

If Congress needs to do anything, it should be to investigate the 
lawless, unconstitutional, cowboy censorship and blocking of due process 
by both Homeland Security and the Justice Department. The /last/ thing 
it should be doing is allowing more such actions. This whole thing has 
been a disgrace by the US government, starting with a bogus seizure, 
improper and illegal censorship, followed by denial of due process and 
unnecessary secrecy. Dajaz1 is currently reviewing its options in terms 
of whether it can or should take further action as a result of this, but 
at least it has its domain back. And people wonder why we're so 
concerned about these seizures and new proposals to further such censorship.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/08225217010/breaking-news-feds-falsely-censor-popular-blog-over-year-deny-all-due-process-hide-all-details.shtml

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sun Dec 11 20:13:10 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:13:10 -0800
Subject: [governance] Open Government Partnership
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http://www.opengovpartnership.org/new-country-guidance
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From karl at cavebear.com  Mon Dec 12 00:40:35 2011
From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:40:35 -0800
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:

> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
> global Internet.

You already have them.

With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up
their own DNS roots, populate them with whatever top level domains
(TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their
computers at those servers.  And DNSSEC will still work.

As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:  Anyone can
establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and
using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.  Connectivity to
"the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies
- most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways.

Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to
exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path
to the forces of control because those proxies and application level
gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places
to limit, places to tax, places to block.

(Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means
that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can remain in place and by
re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it
eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.)

What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the
"liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular
end-to-end internet into an internet of internets.

	--karl--

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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 05:00:00 2011
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:30:00 +0430
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
Message-ID: <CAPVtau=-b4cy-rRvWLNdXrZ=U-_VmmQoM21=ns8BhwOH0y0AGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay


by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011


The Washington Post has called for the rollout of hundreds of new Internet
extensions to be delayed, claiming that the program is "not ready for prime
time".

In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, entitled "What's the .rush?" the
influential journal takes issue with plans to open out the top level of the
Internet and

aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, claiming it is unaccountable,
non-responsive and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving ahead with
plans to

open up applications on 12 January.

Read more
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay

-- 

Nariné Khachatryan
Media Education Center
Yerevan, Armenia
http://www.immasin.am  <http://www.immasin.am>
http://www.safe.am/
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From jcurran at istaff.org  Mon Dec 12 08:49:23 2011
From: jcurran at istaff.org (John Curran)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:49:23 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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References: <4EE37055.60508@itforchange.net> <4EE593D3.9030706@cavebear.com>
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On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
> 
>> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
>> global Internet.
> 
> You already have them.
> 
> With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up
> their own DNS roots, populate them with whatever top level domains
> (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their
> computers at those servers.  And DNSSEC will still work.
> 
> As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:  Anyone can
> establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and
> using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.  Connectivity to
> "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies
> - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways.

Karl, Parminder - 
 
  While acknowledging the value and need for countervailing mechanisms, 
  we also need to have mechanisms operating entirely within the established 
  organizations at a policy level which amplify less well-funded/backed
  voices in the policy process.

  For example, from a policy perspective, the way that the ASO handles
  global policies requires alignment of communities in all five regional 
  registries to establish new global policy.  This is an intentionally 
  high bar; one that requires solid consensus in order to proceed. 
  Parties have multiple fora in which to make their case for/against
  a policy, and actual listening and accommodation of needs of less 
  popular views is inevitably required if one hopes to make new global
  address policy.

  Whether these mechanisms with the established Internet systems are
  sufficient to prevent external policy imposition by state actors 
  remains on open question; one hopes that we can at least limit the
  effect of such incursions to entities within the state's purview.
  That may not be ideal, but in theory such actions are no different
  than any other disagreement between government/governed regarding
  appropriate voice & representation and hence not global Internet 
  governance matters per se.

FYI,
/John

Disclaimer:  My views alone. This view may be obstructed or eliminated
by subsequent development which may reduce the overall value of thoughts
by those enjoying it, and repeated use of this view does not create any
easement in my mind protecting against future redevelopment.







  
  

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From daniel at digsys.bg  Mon Dec 12 08:59:01 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:59:01 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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References: <4EE37055.60508@itforchange.net> <4EE593D3.9030706@cavebear.com>
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On Dec 12, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
> 
>> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
>> global Internet.
> 
> […]
> What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the
> "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular
> end-to-end internet into an internet of internets.

To this, I would like to add, that the more decentralized system is much, much more difficult to control and twist. By responding to political motivation with political tools you only make it so easy for 'negotiation' to take place and the current islands of "we want to control the Internet" to grow.

By being distributed, is locally controlled, Internet is designed to withstand exactly this type of abuse. You don't like that single US based search provider? Fine, just create your own. You control it and if something goes wrong you are responsible for it.

It is all too easy to give up freedom for convenience, but those that will control you are just humans and subject to all human weaknesses.

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From academy1 at digigate.net  Mon Dec 12 09:17:22 2011
From: academy1 at digigate.net (Dr. Alex Sceberras Trigona)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:17:22 +0100
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
 attacks on Internet
In-Reply-To: <2BC8C1F8EE620E4DBF566BCF5F804CE3063C2788@V-Linguistix02.key.coe.int>
References: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch> <4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net> <0416C4B2-CC1C-40BD-9779-ECF68DB1AA06@uzh.ch> <4EE1DC56.4010903@itforchange.net> <2BC8C1F8EE620E4DBF566BCF5F804CE3063C2788@V-Linguistix02.key.coe.int>
Message-ID: <4EE60CF2.6020605@digigate.net>

Thanks Elvana; do keep in touch. Alex

On 09/12/2011 14:07, THACI Elvana wrote:
> Dear list,
> For your information
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Mon Dec 12 11:41:27 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:11:27 +0530
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
> On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
>
>    
>> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
>> global Internet.
>>      
> You already have them.
>
> With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up
> their own DNS roots,

Karl,

The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance 
(here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) 
so often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless 
(non) debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on 
so many other more important issues of global Internet governance remain 
forever hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.

  Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike 
DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune 
to IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de 
facto. I have asked for countervailing systems of political and 
democratic power specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its 
law over other countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by 
your response.

As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of 
issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not 
have any problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN 
to be managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN 
and applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an 
international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. 
This is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.

We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a 
direction to ICANN  to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding 
US law in one of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an 
order, and ICANN will have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of 
ICANN's globalness and neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a 
moment. And, hopefully later than sooner, US government itself will be 
caught into a high stake security 'situation' whereby it will just have 
to do something vis a vis the CIRs that it exercises control over, in 
negation of what it likes to make everyone believe that it will never 
do. I have no idea why we must all wait for that time to scramble to 
solve the problem that we know is already there.

parminder
>   populate them with whatever top level domains
> (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their
> computers at those servers.  And DNSSEC will still work.
>
> As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:  Anyone can
> establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and
> using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.  Connectivity to
> "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies
> - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways.
>
> Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to
> exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path
> to the forces of control because those proxies and application level
> gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places
> to limit, places to tax, places to block.
>
> (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means
> that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can remain in place and by
> re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it
> eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.)
>
> What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the
> "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular
> end-to-end internet into an internet of internets.
>
> 	--karl--
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Mon Dec 12 12:52:11 2011
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:52:11 +0000
Subject: [governance] FW: Snapshot of Democracy Photo Contest: Voting Closes
 Soon!
In-Reply-To: <F0158BEB1B04EC4D9FA847A26160AFD633F763FB@MAILDAG2.ned.org>
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FYI,

Vote early (by Dec. 14); but not often.

Lee
________________________________
From: Melissa Aten-Becnel [melissaa at ned.org]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Snapshot of Democracy Photo Contest: Voting Closes Soon!

Dear NDRI Members,

The World Youth Movement has asked us to circulate information about their Snapshot of Democracy Photo Contest. Please see below for more information and to cast your vote!


Thanks,

Melissa

Melissa Aten-Becnel
International Forum for Democratic Studies
National Endowment for Democracy
1025 F Street, NW, Suite 800
Washington, DC 20004


[cid:image002.jpg at 01CCB03C.7DE77970]

It is time for you to have a say and select your favorite photos.
Vote in All Three Categories!
Building a Movement (Click Here)<https://democracy.wufoo.com/forms/category-building-a-movement/>
Youth Igniting Change (Click Here)<https://democracy.wufoo.com/forms/category-youth-igniting-change/>
Democracy in Action (Click Here)<https://democracy.wufoo.com/forms/category-democracy-in-action/>
Voting ends December 14
After receiving hundreds of submissions, we are pleased to announce the 15 semi-finalists of the World Youth Movement for Democracy’s Global Photo Contest “Youth in Action: A Snapshot of Democracy.” Judges chose five semi-finalists from each of the following categories: Building a Movement, Youth Igniting Change, and Democracy in Action.
For more information on the World Youth Movement for Democracy and the photo contest, please visit www.wymdonline.org<http://www.wymdonline.org>

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From mariliamaciel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 13:56:36 2011
From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:56:36 -0200
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
 attacks on Internet
In-Reply-To: <2BC8C1F8EE620E4DBF566BCF5F804CE3063C2788@V-Linguistix02.key.coe.int>
References: <CBF2B5E9-AF2F-4050-B260-A8A420748215@uzh.ch>
	<4EE1D5E2.6040509@itforchange.net>
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Message-ID: <CACpVkK169RivSQwUe-t0Xd3LSeg88OCCtyDwSpuk8bHUbdZYOw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Elvana. This Declaration is very important, not only for Europe,
but also for other countries that are struggling with similar issues.
Since I did not find the text in Portuguese, I took the liberty to
translate it and post it in our Observatory of Digital Policies, so
Brazilians will have easier access to it.

http://observatoriodainternet.br/conselho-da-europa-alerta-sobre-ameacas-a-liberdade-de-expressao-on-line

Best wishes,
Marília

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM, THACI Elvana <Elvana.THACI at coe.int> wrote:

> **
> Dear list,
>
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>
>
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>
> Best regards,
>
> Elvana Thaçi
> Information Society Unit
> Information Society and Action Against Crime Directorate
> DG I - Human Rights and Rule of Law
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> F-67075 Strasbourg Cedex
> Tel.  + 33 (0) 3 90 21 56 98
> Fax. + 33 (0) 3 88 41 27 05
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From Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int  Mon Dec 12 15:11:13 2011
From: Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int (HIBBARD Lee)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:11:13 +0000
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
 attacks on Internet
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	<4EE1DC56.4010903@itforchange.net>
	<2BC8C1F8EE620E4DBF566BCF5F804CE3063C2788@V-Linguistix02.key.coe.int>,<CACpVkK169RivSQwUe-t0Xd3LSeg88OCCtyDwSpuk8bHUbdZYOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69B15D33-E0A6-44EF-8EC3-27680435801D@coe.int>

T

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Dec 2011, at 19:58, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Elvana. This Declaration is very important, not only for Europe, but also for other countries that are struggling with similar issues.
Since I did not find the text in Portuguese, I took the liberty to translate it and post it in our Observatory of Digital Policies, so Brazilians will have easier access to it.

<http://observatoriodainternet.br/conselho-da-europa-alerta-sobre-ameacas-a-liberdade-de-expressao-on-line>http://observatoriodainternet.br/conselho-da-europa-alerta-sobre-ameacas-a-liberdade-de-expressao-on-line

Best wishes,
Marília

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM, THACI Elvana <<mailto:Elvana.THACI at coe.int>Elvana.THACI at coe.int<mailto:Elvana.THACI at coe.int>> wrote:
Dear list,

For your information

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Best regards,

Elvana Thaçi
Information Society Unit
Information Society and Action Against Crime Directorate
DG I - Human Rights and Rule of Law
Council of Europe
F-67075 Strasbourg Cedex
Tel.  + 33 (0) 3 90 21 56 98<tel:%2B%2033%20%280%29%203%C2%A090%2021%2056%2098>
Fax. + 33 (0) 3 88 41 27 05<tel:%2B%2033%20%280%29%203%C2%A088%2041%2027%2005>
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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Mon Dec 12 15:14:02 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:14:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
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Thanks.

On 12 Dec 2011 21:11, "HIBBARD Lee" <Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int> wrote:

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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 17:59:21 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 03:59:21 +0500
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
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Thank you for sharing Elvana....



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>
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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Mon Dec 12 18:12:01 2011
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:12:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Dear members of the list


Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.

It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign eight months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying large textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations". 



Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European Commission on Information Society official publication)
PRESS RELEASE Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet freedom globally

(12 December 2011) European Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of Defence, and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to advise on how to provide ongoing support to Internet users, bloggers and cyber-activists living under authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key element of a new "No Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human rights and fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and that internet and other information and communication technology (ICT) can remain a driver of political freedom, democratic development and economic growth.
The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste" :-))Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes, nor for the Internet. Jean-Louis Fullsack 
Director of French NGO CSDPTTAccredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS)Member of the UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg 


Message du 12/12/11 17:43
> De : "parminder" 
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
> 
> 
> On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote: On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote: We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet. You already have them. With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,
> Karl, 
> 
> The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance (here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) so often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless (non) debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many other more important issues of global Internet governance remain forever hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space. 
> 
> Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune to IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de facto. I have asked for countervailing systems of political and democratic power specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.
> 
> As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not have any problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN to be managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN and applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
> 
> We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a direction to ICANN to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US law in one of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an order, and ICANN will have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And, hopefully later than sooner, US government itself will be caught into a high stake security 'situation' whereby it will just have to do something vis a vis the CIRs that it exercises control over, in negation of what it likes to make everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we must all wait for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know is already there.
> 
> parminder 
> populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers. And DNSSEC will still work. As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive: Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space. Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways. Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block. (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can remain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.) What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t 


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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue Dec 13 01:11:06 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:41:06 +0530
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Monday 12 December 2011 07:19 PM, John Curran wrote:
>
> Karl, Parminder -
>
>    While acknowledging the value and need for countervailing mechanisms,
>    we also need to have mechanisms operating entirely within the established
>    organizations at a policy level which amplify less well-funded/backed
>    voices in the policy process.
>    

John,
Nothing can I agree to more! If there were one mission of our 
organisation it will be to promote such democratic participation.

>    For example, from a policy perspective, the way that the ASO handles
>    global policies requires alignment of communities in all five regional
>    registries to establish new global policy.  This is an intentionally
>    high bar; one that requires solid consensus in order to proceed.
>    Parties have multiple fora in which to make their case for/against
>    a policy, and actual listening and accommodation of needs of less
>    popular views is inevitably required if one hopes to make new global
>    address policy.
>    

I greatly appreciate the ideal of high level of consensus that is upheld 
in a lot of technical policy making processes, and it may/does work to 
prevent highjacking of policy making processes by a few, more powerful. 
However, larger political issues, beyond the technical, may not be best 
served by similar processes. By definition, 'technical' is that in which 
case there is always a best (or close to best) solution that is 
beneficial more or less to all, except maybe a minuscule minority. 
However, the 'political', the subject of public polices, involves much 
clearer trade-offs and division-of-benefits/losses. Consensus based 
governance processes, like multistakeholderism (as a system of 
governance), in such cases, simply perpetuate the status quo, which is 
often very unjust.

The most powerful interests are able to veto any progressive change. For 
instance, if we were looking at whether the richest should be taxed 
more, a hot political issue in the US, what are the chances that such a 
move can be carried by consensus? And if large corporates sat at the 
policy table, will they  let it pass? I am just trying to make a point 
that what works in CIR management does not necessarily work for larger 
political and public policy issues involved in global Internet 
governance. The latter require a different response. But, as I said in 
my reply to Karl, in IG civil society spaces we are still largely stuck 
in a situation where questions about larger political/ public policy 
issues related to IG get responded to by an analysis and 'solution' 
largely from within a CIR management thinking. Wherein, it is very easy 
to react to any genuine political effort to address these political 
problems by a knee jerk response that non-US governments just want to 
take control of CIR management.

>    Whether these mechanisms with the established Internet systems are
>    sufficient to prevent external policy imposition by state actors
>    remains on open question; one hopes that we can at least limit the
>    effect of such incursions to entities within the state's purview.
>    

The precise point of my original 'sopa or no sopa' posting was to show 
how this is not the case, and US state actors are able to impose their 
will over the whole world. This is a 'real situation' that requires a 
'real response'. In the circumstances, the least that global civil 
society can do is to sympathise with developing countries when they 
speak up against such unfairness and injustice, and call for urgent 
corrective actions.

parminder
>    That may not be ideal, but in theory such actions are no different
>    than any other disagreement between government/governed regarding
>    appropriate voice&  representation and hence not global Internet
>    governance matters per se.
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> Disclaimer:  My views alone. This view may be obstructed or eliminated
> by subsequent development which may reduce the overall value of thoughts
> by those enjoying it, and repeated use of this view does not create any
> easement in my mind protecting against future redevelopment.
>
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From matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at  Tue Dec 13 01:17:09 2011
From: matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at (Matthias C. Kettemann)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:17:09 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Dear Jean-Louis,

I agree with you, but  Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes 
might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators 
he's supposed to interact with are experienced with angry crowds of 
online activists publishing information online that they'd rather not 
have the world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations 
in their countries). If he convinces dictators to act the same way he 
did - lie a bit, if they must, but then accept the inevitable and go 
peacefully - he might actually not have been such a bit choice after 
all. (I've blogged about this at 
http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com).

But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't 
raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of 
planning.

Kind regards

Matthias




Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
> Dear members of the list
>
>
> Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean 
> Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is 
> protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.
>
> It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign 
> eight months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by 
> copying large textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations".
>
>
>
> Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European 
> Commission on Information Society official  publication)
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet 
> freedom globally 
> <http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
> <http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
>     /(12 December 2011)/ European Commission Vice-President Neelie
>     Kroes has invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal
>     Minister of Defence, and of Economics and Technology, in Germany,
>     to advise on how to provide ongoing support to Internet users,
>     bloggers and cyber-activists living under authoritarian regimes.
>     This appointment forms a key element of a new "No Disconnect
>     Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human rights and
>     fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and
>     that internet and other information and communication technology
>     (ICT) can remain a driver of political freedom, democratic
>     development and economic growth.
>
>
> The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the 
> Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".
>
> Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and 
> paste" :-))
>
> Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic 
> regimes, nor for the Internet.
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> Director of French NGO CSDPTT
>
> Accredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information 
> Society (WSIS)
>
> Member of the UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg
>
>
> Message du 12/12/11 17:43
>
>     > De : "parminder"
>     > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
>     > Copie à :
>     > Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
>     >
>     >
>     > On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>
>         On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
>
>             We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet.
>
>         You already have them.  With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,
>
>
>     > Karl,
>     >
>     > The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global
>     governance (here, in my quoted email, private and extra
>     territorial IP enforcement) so often gets responded to by a CIR
>     management solution. I have endless (non) debates with McTim over
>     similar lines. Why should discussions on so many other more
>     important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
>     hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.
>     >
>     >  Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that
>     unlike DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime
>     that is immune to IP regimes that are otherwise operating over
>     them, de jure or de facto. I have asked for countervailing systems
>     of political and democratic power specifically against US's
>     unilateral enforcement of its law over other countries. I dont see
>     how this problem gets solved by your response.
>     >
>     > As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind
>     of issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I
>     do not have any problem with a single root and a single DNS, or
>     even for ICANN to be managing it. I only have a problem with UN
>     gov oversight of ICANN and applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just
>     that part should move to an international jurisdiction, with
>     nothing else changing substantially. This is a simple, clear and,
>     in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
>     >
>     > We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a
>     direction to ICANN  to act in a certain way, in pursuance of
>     upholding US law in one of the thousand possible areas that can
>     cause such an order, and ICANN will have to do it, and all the
>     feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and neutrality will be
>     gone up in thin air in a moment. And, hopefully later than sooner,
>     US government itself will be caught into a high stake security
>     'situation' whereby it will just have to do something vis a vis
>     the CIRs that it exercises control over, in negation of what it
>     likes to make everyone believe that it will never do. I have no
>     idea why we must all wait for that time to scramble to solve the
>     problem that we know is already there.
>     >
>     > parminder
>     >
>
>           populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers.  And DNSSEC will still work.  As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:  Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.  Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways.  Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block.  (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can remain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.)  What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets.  	--karl--  ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:governance at lists.cpsr.org  To be removed from the list, visit:http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing   For all other list information and functions, see:http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance  To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:http://www.igcaucus.org/   Translate this email:http://translate.google.com/translate_t      
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From kabani at isd-rc.org  Tue Dec 13 01:56:42 2011
From: kabani at isd-rc.org (Asif Kabani)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:56:42 +0500
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe alerts against pressure and
 attacks on Internet
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Elvana

Thanks

On 12 December 2011 19:17, Dr. Alex Sceberras Trigona <academy1 at digigate.net
> wrote:

>  Thanks Elvana; do keep in touch. Alex
>
>
> On 09/12/2011 14:07, THACI Elvana wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> For your information
>
>
> http://www.coe.int/lportal/en/web/coe-portal/press/newsroom?p_p_id=newsroom&_newsroom_articleId=736488&_newsroom_groupId=10226&_newsroom_tabs=newsroom-topnews&pager.offset=0
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> Best regards,
>
> Elvana Thaçi
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Tue Dec 13 03:10:53 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:10:53 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On 13.12.11 08:11, parminder wrote:
>
>>    For example, from a policy perspective, the way that the ASO handles
>>    global policies requires alignment of communities in all five regional
>>    registries to establish new global policy.  This is an intentionally
>>    high bar; one that requires solid consensus in order to proceed.
>>    Parties have multiple fora in which to make their case for/against
>>    a policy, and actual listening and accommodation of needs of less
>>    popular views is inevitably required if one hopes to make new global
>>    address policy.
>>    
>
> I greatly appreciate the ideal of high level of consensus that is 
> upheld in a lot of technical policy making processes, and it may/does 
> work to prevent highjacking of policy making processes by a few, more 
> powerful. However, larger political issues, beyond the technical, may 
> not be best served by similar processes. By definition, 'technical' is 
> that in which case there is always a best (or close to best) solution 
> that is beneficial more or less to all, except maybe a minuscule 
> minority. However, the 'political', the subject of public polices, 
> involves much clearer trade-offs and division-of-benefits/losses. 
> Consensus based governance processes, like multistakeholderism (as a 
> system of governance), in such cases, simply perpetuate the status 
> quo, which is often very unjust.

The 'technical' consensus is based on common sense and in virtually all 
cases wins, compared to the political consensus. The political consensus 
is based on promises, that politicians ah too easy make and that are 
never fulfilled in reality. But even if fulfilled, they could only serve 
and satisfy a minority. There is no evidence of the contrary.

> The most powerful interests are able to veto any progressive change. 
> For instance, if we were looking at whether the richest should be 
> taxed more, a hot political issue in the US, what are the chances that 
> such a move can be carried by consensus?

This is simple. If you go for a consensus, then you need to define whose 
consensus. If you go the "democratic" way, and require the consensus of 
everyone, as in voting, then the rich people generally "lose" because 
those who do not consider themselves rich and will believe they will not 
be taxed are more. If you have a ratio of say 1:100 to rich:other 
people, this is also politically 'reasonable', because for every rich 
person vote, you gain 100 'other' votes. Of course, the rich perople 
typically pay the politicians to do what suits them, including for the 
election campaigns so for the politicians it is really a matter of 
calculating where the greater benefit will be. Not the public interest! 
Not any forward looking planning and even vision.

> And if large corporates sat at the policy table, will they  let it pass? 

Surprisingly, they may. Large corporations have been distorted to the 
point, to care more about things like market share, shareholder profits 
etc. They do not care much about (domestic) politics etc. So 
corporations may surprisingly support more taxes for the rich, if this 
brings them more profit (like, the masses having more money to spend on 
their products).

> I am just trying to make a point that what works in CIR management 
> does not necessarily work for larger political and public policy 
> issues involved in global Internet governance. The latter require a 
> different response.

The key difference here is that Internet is global.

> The precise point of my original 'sopa or no sopa' posting was to show 
> how this is not the case, and US state actors are able to impose their 
> will over the whole world. This is a 'real situation' that requires a 
> 'real response'. In the circumstances, the least that global civil 
> society can do is to sympathise with developing countries when they 
> speak up against such unfairness and injustice, and call for urgent 
> corrective actions.
>

We have to understand two things here:

1. The US has always been 'in charge' of the Internet.

2. This will continue to be so, while everybody prefers to utilize the 
services of US based Internet corporations instead of the services of 
'local' parties. Funny enough, most such cases are "because we do not 
want those local guys becoming important, so we will instead collaborate 
with someone abroad, why not that US corporation that offers us so many 
promises".

Internet let's everyone be their own masters. It also lets any 
individual or a group of individuals have whatever they want 
relationship with the rest of the world or any particular party. It 
gives people ultimate freedom in communication. Most don't understand 
this yet, but more and more already do.

This is all freaking the Government types. And we see all sort of SOPA 
things.

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 05:12:02 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 02:12:02 -0800
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] from Dyson -- ICANN What's the .rush? - The
 Washington Post
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Esther Dyson <edyson at edventure.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [IP] ICANN What's the .rush? - The Washington Post
To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
Cc: ip <ip at listbox.com>



Dave - 

Thanks so much for reposting this. I know everyone is concerned (and justly)
about SOPA right now, but ICANN is unaccountable to anyone except its own
coterie of registries, registrars, trademark lawyers. In theory, it's
accountable to the public, but the public pays no attention.... So,
everyone, please pay attention!  In 5 years, people will use Google et al.
instead of URLs anyway, but in the meantime a TLD 1 percent is going to get
rich by confusing and "protecting" the 99 percent. 

here is my own written testimony for the Senate Commerce Committee hearing
last week:


Thank you, Chairman Rockefeller, Ranking Member Hutchinson, esteemed
Senators, Committee staff and others, for your attention to this important
issue.  As a private citizen with a variety of affiliations but beholden to
no single employer or institution, I am honored to be here today.  

 

My name is Esther Dyson.  I was the founding chairman of ICANN's board, from
its inception in September 1998 until late in 2000. I continued as a member
of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee for a year or two after that, and
subsequently went on with the rest of my life.  I am a casual user of domain
names; I have a couple registered that I don't use, and then I have owned
and used edventure.com since before my ICANN tenure.  As an investor, a
board member of non-profit and for-profit companies and as a user of the
Internet, I do have a substantial interest in freedom of speech and freedom
to innovate.  

 

Other than that, I have no particular business interests in the domain name
system, and I paid my own way here today.  Moreover, unlike most of the
public, I have the private resources, the time and the insider knowledge to
come here to give you what I hope you will find to be an informed and useful
perspective.

 

I come as a loving critic to improve ICANN, not to bury it. 

 

Some brief history

 

When I joined the board of ICANN back in 1998, the majority of its members
had almost no experience with the Internet and attempted to serve the
interests of a broad public.   At the time, our primary mission was to break
the monopoly of Network Solutions (which managed .com among other
registries), first by separating the functions of registry (which manages
the list of names in a particular top-level domain) and registrar (which
resells second-level domain names to the public).   

 

We succeeded in that, and we also managed to launch a few new TLDs,
including .biz, .info, .museum and .coop. Of those, only .biz and .info have
had much success.  Separately, a number of creative people - whose
initiative I sincerely applaud - made special-purpose TLDs out of country
codes (ccTLDs) such as .tv (Tuvalu), .md (Moldova), .ly (Libya) and most
recently .co (Colombia).  

 

At the same time, it's fair to say that .com retained its first-mover
advantage as by far the leading TLD.  Users instinctively type
COMPANYNAME.com into their browsers.

 

I myself was a big fan of the concept of new TLDs.  I believed that it would
broaden the market, encourage innovation (as with the repurposed ccTLDs I
mentioned above)...and besides, why should ICANN enforce artificial
scarcity?

 

But I have since changed my mind.  Now I would like to explain why, and
finally to suggest some paths forward.  

 

Why I changed my mind - Confusing to the public

 

After my two-year term as chairman of ICANN expired in 2000, I joined the
At-Large Advisory Committee.  Our mission was to make sure the voice of the
ultimate users - not just the sellers, resellers and buyers of domain names
- was heard.  That turned out to be an almost impossible task.  Naturally
enough, normal members of the public did not have the time or interest (or
funds) to involve themselves in ICANN's business.  Despite numerous
attempts, we failed to atttract more than a few thousand people at best to
our various meetings, online conversations, requests for comment and the
like.  Our online message board was mostly painful to read.  When I finally
resigned from the ALAC, I too found ICANN too removed from my daily
interests to pay much attention to its activities. 

 

Why I changed my mind - Lack of oversight

 

Our premise for new TLDs was that we would select registry managers who
would add value to their  TLDs and monitor the behavior of their registrars,
who would in turn make sure that the registrants followed whatever
requirements the registries imposed.  In fact, the business overall has
become one of sleazy marketing practices, front-running (where registrars or
related parties buy names for their own accounts, competing unfairly with
their customers) and a high proportion of spammy domains.  Unfortunately,
the ease and lack of accountability with which someone can buy a domain name
has led to a profusion of spam, phishing and other nefarious sites.  There's
no reason to think the situation would be any better with the next set of
new TLDs; there would simply be more of them.  

 

And as the case of .xxx shows, many of the second-level domain-name
purchasers who do have honest intentions will probably be more interested in
defensive registrations rather than adding value to the system.  (One such
case is that of Meetup.com, out of whose office I work and on whose board I
sit. Meetup has attempted to register Meetup.xxx, but has been told the name
has been reserved on the "premium queue" to be auctioned off to the highest
bidder.  Even more perversely, Meetup cannot even bid at auction for its own
trademarked name unless it somehow becomes registered as a member of the
"adult community," which is at odds with the very nature of its business and
the very reason it sought to reserve the name.   Meetup's only remedy
ultimately will be to file an expensive and time-consuming trademark
lawsuit.)

 

Why I changed my mind - Misallocation of resources

 

Our initial assumption was that new TLDs would be relatively cheap.  But
ICANN's current plan envisions an expensive application process and
expensive registrations.  

 

The amount of money likely to be spent on these new TLDs - both by new
applicants and registrants, and by incumbents protecting their names -  is
huge, at a time when businesses and consumers are just scraping by.  I
believe in innovation, but only if it adds value. In this case, most of the
new domains would simply add friction. 

 

As with .xxx, where many of the registrants are actually companies who want
to make sure their name is not used in .xxx, I predict that many or most of
the new registrations will be defensive.  Marriott.com, for example, works
fine; why do they need marriott.hotels except defensively?  (Or why do they
need to own .marriott?) 

 

The rationale is that there's a shortage of domain names... but actually,
there's a shortage of space in people's heads.  When you add, for example,
.hotel, you are not creating new space; you are carving up the <hotel> space
in people's heads into .com and .hotel.  So was that Marriott.com or
Marriott.hotel?  or dyson.com or dyson.hotel? if I decide to rent out my
apartment.  Consumers will inevitably be confused, and the primary
beneficiaries will be Google, trademark lawyers...and of course the
registries and registrars. 

 

In short, it's as if you owned a field, and you paid a border guard.  Now
the border guards want you to pay separately for each little chunk in your
field; it's still the same field, but now it's carved into ever-smaller
pieces. To use my own small field as an example, the field was originally
called edventure.com.  Now the new chunks could be labeled edventure.angel,
edventure.blog, edventure.nyc, edventure.post, edventure.fin .... and
perhaps I'll also be solicited to buy the TLD .edventure so that some
educational or editorial group won't get hold of it.  

 

In the end, new domain names are somewhat like derivatives: They add
complexity and transactions and lots of rights and obligations without
actually creating anything of value.  

 

Context: Innovation can happen without new TLDs

 

I have heard from people who say that the new TLDs will lead to great
innovation.  I once thought so too.  I had visions of .fin as high-value,
highly secure TLD for regulated financial services, for example.  Right now,
there are people who want to launch .eco and .green as the foundation of a
<green> marketing campaign that would purportedly do untold good for the
world at large.  But what's wrong with edventure.com/green? 

 

Meanwhile, there is innovation in namespaces, but it comes with overall
innovation.  One of the best and simplest examples I can think of is
twitter, where I am @edyson or  <http://twitter.com/#!/edyson>
http://twitter.com/#!/edyson - a fine use of an existing TLD. 

 

Remedies ....

 

Of course, my task here does not end with complaining.  What should be done?
First of all, it is not the role of Congress to tell ICANN what to do. ICANN
is accountable to the worldwide public, not to the US Government (except
through one limited contract).  But it is the role of Congress to shed light
on issues of public interest, and to suggest politely that ICANN follow
through more fully on its acknowledged obligation to solicit public
feedback.  As I discovered during my time at ICANN, it's hard to get the
public interested in these matters.  (In that respect too, domain names are
like derivatives.) 

 

As I mentioned, ICANN has indeed followed the process of soliciting public
opinion, but I do not believe they have obtained <informed consent,> in the
sense that people actually understand the issues.  

 

Much broader consultation with the public

 

Therefore, although personally I would like to see ICANN simply abandon this
program, I have been told again and again that this is not <realistic.>   If
that is indeed the case,  I would recommend that ICANN rapidly re-launch its
consultation process with much broader outreach.  Perhaps these hearings and
the subsequent press coverage will help to inform the broader public and
shade ICANN's approach to new TLDs.

 

Much stronger front-end protection

 

At the same time, ICANN could offer much broader and easier protection (from
similar-sounding TLDs) to existing registrants, akin to what ICANN itself
has and what the Red Cross is asking for.  Of course, this would obviate
much of the interest in the new domain names, but it is a proper obligation
for ICANN to undertake, in my opinion.  

 

Conclusion

 

The current domain name system in some ways is an accident of history.
ICANN was created to regulate it, independently of any government and on
behalf of the Internet - and world - community as a whole.  Just as with
fishing rights, communications spectra, taxi medallions and other <commons,>
there's a delicate balance between too few and too many domain names, which
this new initiative may well upset if it goes forward without more serious
study.  As the old saying goes:  If it ain't broke, don't fix it! 

 

I would welcome any questions. 

 

 


On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:46 AM, David Farber wrote:




http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-the-rush/2011/12/09/gIQA5Ms9nO_
story.html

ICANN reports to no one - a decision made when the group was created during
the Clinton administration to protect Internet independence. The group has
made some adjustments in response to concerns, including creation of a
trademark clearinghouse and a "rapid response" process to allow legitimate
rights holders to quickly knock out imposters. Officials have said that some
nonprofits may be permitted to pay lower fees.

Although the plan has been six years in the making, it is not ready for
prime time. ICANN officials acknowledge that they are still working out some
details, including certain protections for trademark holders. The Justice
Department and other law enforcement agencies have expressed concerns about
enforcement.

ICANN should not approve new names until enforcement and protection issues
are resolved. Even then, it should approve at most a few, to allow the
marketplace to absorb and weigh the changes. ICANN would be wise to move
slowly; its legitimacy and Internet efficacy are at stake.

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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Tue Dec 13 05:13:07 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:13:07 +0100
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
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The post used to be quite a good paper back in the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper source for the cowboy boots and big hair brigade.  It still runs a regular front page feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled to position itself for the digital market, and it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the new management's ear and screamed the sky is falling because you may have defensively register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are not misdirected.

Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't playing this stuff in most deft manner possible, but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the fray as some sort of game changer.

Bill


On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:

> Dear all, 
> 
> Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
> 
> 
> by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011
> 
> 
> 
> The Washington Post has called for the rollout of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be delayed, claiming that the program is "not ready for prime time".
> 
> In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential journal takes issue with plans to open out the top level of the Internet and 
> 
> aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving ahead with plans to 
> 
> open up applications on 12 January.
> 
> 
> Read more http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay
> 
> -- 
>  
> Nariné Khachatryan
> Media Education Center
> Yerevan, Armenia
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> http://www.safe.am/   
> http://www.mediaeducation.am/
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Tue Dec 13 05:46:56 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:46:56 +0100
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] from Dyson -- ICANN What's the .rush? -
 The Washington Post
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The one non-silly observation she made in her rather befuddled testimony was that there is a "shortage of space in people's heads."  Well, at least some people's.  This apparently prevents the entry of new information that doesn't map with the biases adopted when she disappeared a decade ago, e.g. the 1) Affirmation of Commitments process, which provides for collective assessment by and accountability to all stakeholders involved, including governments; 2) the greatly rebalanced relationship between the GAC and the board; 3) the growing institutional role of the ALAC's whose marginalization she decries; 4) the effective presence of other centers of public interest advocacy like the NCUC; and so on…it's not 2002 anymore.  Really, it's not.

As for the new gTLD program itself, it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that "many or most of the new registrations will be defensive.  Marriott.com, for example, works fine; why do they need marriott.hotels except defensively?  (Or why do they need to own .marriott?)"  One can think of a whole bunch of ways big multinational companies will find it useful to develop their own self-managed ecosystems.  Would they put up the !85$ at the front end and a half million or more per annum to run a registry just to make sure that someone else doesn't take the name?  And who would——will a spammer or squatter try to lay out that kind of cash, particularly when the proposals will have to go through an elaborate and demanding approval process that entails mechanisms for objections based on legally rights and other relevant criteria?  She might want to read the Applicant Guidebook and see how the process works.  There are ways of dealing with second levels too that would seem well within the grasp of an organization like Marriot.

As for the claim that "In the end, new domain names are somewhat like derivatives: They add complexity and transactions and lots of rights and obligations without actually creating anything of value—" this is a pretty strong ex ante supposition.  Since she apparently hasn't thought about how people might actually use TLDs and what that might mean in terms of stimulating activity throughout the ecosystem, it's nothing more than a good sound bite.

Jay Rockefeller concluded that “I think we’ll have to get used to .hotel, I think we’ll have to get used to .auto.”   If a 74 year old Senator can handle the terrifying "confusion," hopefully Esther Dyson and the trademark lobby will find a way to get out bed irrespective and use search tools to navigate to the sites they want.

Bill



On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:12 AM, michael gurstein wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Esther Dyson <edyson at edventure.com>
> Date: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [IP] ICANN What’s the .rush? - The Washington Post
> To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>
> Cc: ip <ip at listbox.com>
> 
> 
> Dave -
> 
> Thanks so much for reposting this. I know everyone is concerned (and justly) about SOPA right now, but ICANN is unaccountable to anyone except its own coterie of registries, registrars, trademark lawyers. In theory, it's accountable to the public, but the public pays no attention.... So, everyone, please pay attention!  In 5 years, people will use Google et al. instead of URLs anyway, but in the meantime a TLD 1 percent is going to get rich by confusing and "protecting" the 99 percent. 
> 
> here is my own written testimony for the Senate Commerce Committee hearing last week:
> 
> Thank you, Chairman Rockefeller, Ranking Member Hutchinson, esteemed Senators, Committee staff and others, for your attention to this important issue.  As a private citizen with a variety of affiliations but beholden to no single employer or institution, I am honored to be here today. 
> 
>  
> 
> My name is Esther Dyson.  I was the founding chairman of ICANN's board, from its inception in September 1998 until late in 2000. I continued as a member of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee for a year or two after that, and subsequently went on with the rest of my life.  I am a casual user of domain names; I have a couple registered that I don't use, and then I have owned and used edventure.com since before my ICANN tenure.  As an investor, a board member of non-profit and for-profit companies and  as a user of the Internet, I do have a substantial interest in freedom of speech and freedom to innovate. 
> 
>  
> 
> Other than that, I have no particular business interests in the domain name system, and I paid my own way here today.  Moreover, unlike most of the public, I have the private resources, the time and the insider knowledge to come here to give you what I hope you will find to be an informed and useful perspective.
> 
>  
> 
> I come as a loving critic to improve ICANN, not to bury it.
> 
>  
> 
> Some brief history
> 
>  
> 
> When I joined the board of ICANN back in 1998, the majority of its members had almost no experience with the Internet and attempted to serve the interests of a broad public.   At the time, our primary mission was to break the monopoly of Network Solutions (which managed .com among other registries), first by separating the functions of registry (which manages the list of names in a particular top-level domain) and registrar (which resells second-level domain names to the public).   
> 
>  
> 
> We succeeded in that, and we also managed to launch a few new TLDs, including .biz, .info, .museum and .coop. Of those, only .biz and .info have had much success.  Separately, a number of creative people – whose initiative I sincerely applaud – made special-purpose TLDs out of country codes (ccTLDs) such as .tv (Tuvalu), .md (Moldova), .ly (Libya) and most recently .co (Colombia). 
> 
>  
> 
> At the same time, it's fair to say that .com retained its first-mover advantage as by far the leading TLD.  Users instinctively type COMPANYNAME.com into their browsers.
> 
>  
> 
> I myself was a big fan of the concept of new TLDs.  I believed that it would broaden the market, encourage innovation (as with the repurposed ccTLDs I mentioned above)...and besides, why should ICANN enforce artificial scarcity?
> 
>  
> 
> But I have since changed my mind.  Now I would like to explain why, and finally to suggest some paths forward. 
> 
>  
> 
> Why I changed my mind – Confusing to the public
> 
>  
> 
> After my two-year term as chairman of ICANN expired in 2000, I joined the At-Large Advisory Committee.  Our mission was to make sure the voice of the ultimate users – not just the sellers, resellers and buyers of domain names – was heard.  That turned out to be an almost impossible task.  Naturally enough, normal members of the public did not have the time or interest (or funds) to involve themselves in ICANN's business.  Despite numerous attempts, we failed to atttract more than a few thousand people at best to our various meetings, online conversations, requests for comment and the like.  Our online message board was mostly painful to read.  When I finally resigned from the ALAC, I too found ICANN too removed from my daily interests to pay much attention to its activities.
> 
>  
> 
> Why I changed my mind – Lack of oversight
> 
>  
> 
> Our premise for new TLDs was that we would select registry managers who would add value to their  TLDs and monitor the behavior of their registrars, who would in turn make sure that the registrants followed whatever requirements the registries imposed.  In fact, the business overall has become one of sleazy marketing practices, front-running (where registrars or related parties buy names for their own accounts, competing unfairly with their customers) and a high proportion of spammy domains.  Unfortunately, the ease and lack of accountability with which someone can buy a domain name has led to a profusion of spam, phishing and other nefarious sites.  There's no reason to think the situation would be any better with the next set of new TLDs; there would simply be more of them. 
> 
>  
> 
> And as the case of .xxx shows, many of the second-level domain-name purchasers who do have honest intentions will probably be more interested in defensive registrations rather than adding value to the system.  (One such case is that of Meetup.com, out of whose office I work and on whose board I sit. Meetup has attempted to register Meetup.xxx, but has been told the name has been reserved on the "premium queue" to be auctioned off to the highest bidder.  Even more perversely, Meetup cannot even bid at auction for its own trademarked name unless it somehow becomes registered as a member of the "adult community," which is at odds with the very nature of its business and the very reason it sought to reserve the name.   Meetup's only remedy ultimately will be to file an expensive and time-consuming trademark lawsuit.)
> 
>  
> 
> Why I changed my mind – Misallocation of resources
> 
>  
> 
> Our initial assumption was that new TLDs would be relatively cheap.  But ICANN's current plan envisions an expensive application process and expensive registrations. 
> 
>  
> 
> The amount of money likely to be spent on these new TLDs - both by new applicants and registrants, and by incumbents protecting their names -  is huge, at a time when businesses and consumers are just scraping by.  I believe in innovation, but only if it adds value. In this case, most of the new domains would simply add friction.
> 
>  
> 
> As with .xxx, where many of the registrants are actually companies who want to make sure their name is not used in .xxx, I predict that many or most of the new registrations will be defensive.  Marriott.com, for example, works fine; why do they need marriott.hotels except defensively?  (Or why do they need to own .marriott?)
> 
>  
> 
> The rationale is that there's a shortage of domain names... but actually, there's a shortage of space in people's heads.  When you add, for example, .hotel, you are not creating new space; you are carving up the «hotel» space in people's heads into .com and .hotel.  So was that Marriott.com or Marriott.hotel?  or dyson.com or dyson.hotel? if I decide to rent out my apartment.  Consumers will inevitably be confused, and the primary beneficiaries will be Google, trademark lawyers...and of course the registries and registrars.
> 
>  
> 
> In short, it's as if you owned a field, and you paid a border guard.  Now the border guards want you to pay separately for each little chunk in your field; it's still the same field, but now it's carved into ever-smaller pieces. To use my own small field as an example, the field was originally called edventure.com.  Now the new chunks could be labeled edventure.angel, edventure.blog, edventure.nyc, edventure.post, edventure.fin .... and perhaps I'll also be solicited to buy the TLD .edventure so that some educational or editorial group won't get hold of it. 
> 
>  
> 
> In the end, new domain names are somewhat like derivatives: They add complexity and transactions and lots of rights and obligations without actually creating anything of value. 
> 
>  
> 
> Context: Innovation can happen without new TLDs
> 
>  
> 
> I have heard from people who say that the new TLDs will lead to great innovation.  I once thought so too.  I had visions of .fin as high-value, highly secure TLD for regulated financial services, for example.  Right now, there are people who want to launch .eco and .green as the foundation of a «green» marketing campaign that would purportedly do untold good for the world at large.  But what's wrong with edventure.com/green?
> 
>  
> 
> Meanwhile, there is innovation in namespaces, but it comes with overall innovation.  One of the best and simplest examples I can think of is twitter, where I am @edyson or http://twitter.com/#!/edyson - a fine use of an existing TLD.
> 
>  
> 
> Remedies ....
> 
>  
> 
> Of course, my task here does not end with complaining.  What should be done?  First of all, it is not the role of Congress to tell ICANN what to do. ICANN is accountable to the worldwide public, not to the US Government (except through one limited contract).  But it is the role of Congress to shed light on issues of public interest, and to suggest politely that ICANN follow through more fully on its acknowledged obligation to solicit public feedback.  As I discovered during my time at ICANN, it's hard to get the public interested in these matters.  (In that respect too, domain names are like derivatives.)
> 
>  
> 
> As I mentioned, ICANN has indeed followed the process of soliciting public opinion, but I do not believe they have obtained «informed consent,» in the sense that people actually understand the issues. 
> 
>  
> 
> Much broader consultation with the public
> 
>  
> 
> Therefore, although personally I would like to see ICANN simply abandon this program, I have been told again and again that this is not «realistic.»   If that is indeed the case,  I would recommend that ICANN rapidly re-launch its consultation process with much broader outreach.  Perhaps these hearings and the subsequent press coverage will help to inform the broader public and shade ICANN's approach to new TLDs.
> 
>  
> 
> Much stronger front-end protection
> 
>  
> 
> At the same time, ICANN could offer much broader and easier protection (from similar-sounding TLDs) to existing registrants, akin to what ICANN itself has and what the Red Cross is asking for.  Of course, this would obviate much of the interest in the new domain names, but it is a proper obligation for ICANN to undertake, in my opinion. 
> 
>  
> 
> Conclusion
> 
>  
> 
> The current domain name system in some ways is an accident of history.  ICANN was created to regulate it, independently of any government and on behalf of the Internet – and world - community as a whole.  Just as with fishing rights, communications spectra, taxi medallions and other «commons,»   there's a delicate balance between too few and too many domain names, which this new initiative may well upset if it goes forward without more serious study.  As the old saying goes:  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
> 
>  
> 
> I would welcome any questions.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:46 AM, David Farber wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-the-rush/2011/12/09/gIQA5Ms9nO_story.html
>> 
>> ICANN reports to no one — a decision made when the group was created during the Clinton administration to protect Internet independence. The group has made some adjustments in response to concerns, including creation of a trademark clearinghouse and a “rapid response” process to allow legitimate rights holders to quickly knock out imposters. Officials have said that some nonprofits may be permitted to pay lower fees.
>> 
>> Although the plan has been six years in the making, it is not ready for prime time. ICANN officials acknowledge that they are still working out some details, including certain protections for trademark holders. The Justice Department and other law enforcement agencies have expressed concerns about enforcement.
>> 
>> ICANN should not approve new names until enforcement and protection issues are resolved. Even then, it should approve at most a few, to allow the marketplace to absorb and weigh the changes. ICANN would be wise to move slowly; its legitimacy and Internet efficacy are at stake.
>> 
>> snip
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 08:35:48 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 05:35:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] from Dyson -- ICANN What's the .rush? -
 The Washington Post
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translate google  On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM PKT michael gurstein wrote:  >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Esther Dyson <edyson at edventure.com> >Date: Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [IP] ICANN What's the .rush? - The Washington Post >To: David Farber <dave at farber.net> >Cc: ip <ip at listbox.com> > > > >Dave -  > >Thanks so much for reposting this. I know everyone is concerned (and justly) >about SOPA right now, but ICANN is unaccountable to anyone except its own >coterie of registries, registrars, trademark lawyers. In theory, it's >accountable to the public, but the public pays no attention.... So, >everyone, please pay attention! In 5 years, people will use Google et al. >instead of URLs anyway, but in the meantime a TLD 1 percent is going to get >rich by confusing and "protecting" the 99 percent.  > >here is my own written testimony for the Senate Commerce Committee hearing >last week: > > >Thank you, Chairman Rockefeller,
 Ranking Member Hutchinson, esteemed >Senators, Committee staff and others, for your attention to this important >issue. As a private citizen with a variety of affiliations but beholden to >no single employer or institution, I am honored to be here today.  > >  > >My name is Esther Dyson. I was the founding chairman of ICANN's board, from >its inception in September 1998 until late in 2000. I continued as a member >of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee for a year or two after that, and >subsequently went on with the rest of my life. I am a casual user of domain >names; I have a couple registered that I don't use, and then I have owned >and used edventure.com since before my ICANN tenure. As an investor, a >board member of non-profit and for-profit companies and as a user of the >Internet, I do have a substantial interest in freedom of speech and freedom >to innovate.  > >  > >Other than that, I have no particular business interests in the domain name
 >system, and I paid my own way here today. Moreover, unlike most of the >public, I have the private resources, the time and the insider knowledge to >come here to give you what I hope you will find to be an informed and useful >perspective. > >  > >I come as a loving critic to improve ICANN, not to bury it.  > >  > >Some brief history > >  > >When I joined the board of ICANN back in 1998, the majority of its members >had almost no experience with the Internet and attempted to serve the >interests of a broad public. At the time, our primary mission was to break >the monopoly of Network Solutions (which managed .com among other >registries), first by separating the functions of registry (which manages >the list of names in a particular top-level domain) and registrar (which >resells second-level domain names to the public).  > >  > >We succeeded in that, and we also managed to launch a few new TLDs, >including .biz, .info, .museum and .coop. Of those,
 only .biz and .info have >had much success. Separately, a number of creative people - whose >initiative I sincerely applaud - made special-purpose TLDs out of country >codes (ccTLDs) such as .tv (Tuvalu), .md (Moldova), .ly (Libya) and most >recently .co (Colombia).  > >  > >At the same time, it's fair to say that .com retained its first-mover >advantage as by far the leading TLD. Users instinctively type >COMPANYNAME.com into their browsers. > >  > >I myself was a big fan of the concept of new TLDs. I believed that it would >broaden the market, encourage innovation (as with the repurposed ccTLDs I >mentioned above)...and besides, why should ICANN enforce artificial >scarcity? > >  > >But I have since changed my mind. Now I would like to explain why, and >finally to suggest some paths forward.  > >  > >Why I changed my mind - Confusing to the public > >  > >After my two-year term as chairman of ICANN expired in 2000, I joined the >At-Large Advisory
 Committee. Our mission was to make sure the voice of the >ultimate users - not just the sellers, resellers and buyers of domain names >- was heard. That turned out to be an almost impossible task. Naturally >enough, normal members of the public did not have the time or interest (or >funds) to involve themselves in ICANN's business. Despite numerous >attempts, we failed to atttract more than a few thousand people at best to >our various meetings, online conversations, requests for comment and the >like. Our online message board was mostly painful to read. When I finally >resigned from the ALAC, I too found ICANN too removed from my daily >interests to pay much attention to its activities.  > >  > >Why I changed my mind - Lack of oversight > >  > >Our premise for new TLDs was that we would select registry managers who >would add value to their TLDs and monitor the behavior of their registrars, >who would in turn make sure that the registrants followed
 whatever >requirements the registries imposed. In fact, the business overall has >become one of sleazy marketing practices, front-running (where registrars or >related parties buy names for their own accounts, competing unfairly with >their customers) and a high proportion of spammy domains. Unfortunately, >the ease and lack of accountability with which someone can buy a domain name >has led to a profusion of spam, phishing and other nefarious sites. There's >no reason to think the situation would be any better with the next set of >new TLDs; there would simply be more of them.  > >  > >And as the case of .xxx shows, many of the second-level domain-name >purchasers who do have honest intentions will probably be more interested in >defensive registrations rather than adding value to the system. (One such >case is that of Meetup.com, out of whose office I work and on whose board I >sit. Meetup has attempted to register Meetup.xxx, but has been told the
 name >has been reserved on the "premium queue" to be auctioned off to the highest >bidder. Even more perversely, Meetup cannot even bid at auction for its own >trademarked name unless it somehow becomes registered as a member of the >"adult community," which is at odds with the very nature of its business and >the very reason it sought to reserve the name. Meetup's only remedy >ultimately will be to file an expensive and time-consuming trademark >lawsuit.) > >  > >Why I changed my mind - Misallocation of resources > >  > >Our initial assumption was that new TLDs would be relatively cheap. But >ICANN's current plan envisions an expensive application process and >expensive registrations.  > >  > >The amount of money likely to be spent on these new TLDs - both by new >applicants and registrants, and by incumbents protecting their names - is >huge, at a time when businesses and consumers are just scraping by. I >believe in innovation, but only if it adds
 value. In this case, most of the >new domains would simply add friction.  > >  > >As with .xxx, where many of the registrants are actually companies who want >to make sure their name is not used in .xxx, I predict that many or most of >the new registrations will be defensive. Marriott.com, for example, works >fine; why do they need marriott.hotels except defensively? (Or why do they >need to own .marriott?)  > >  > >The rationale is that there's a shortage of domain names... but actually, >there's a shortage of space in people's heads. When you add, for example, >.hotel, you are not creating new space; you are carving up the <hotel> space >in people's heads into .com and .hotel. So was that Marriott.com or >Marriott.hotel? or dyson.com or dyson.hotel? if I decide to rent out my >apartment. Consumers will inevitably be confused, and the primary >beneficiaries will be Google, trademark lawyers...and of course the >registries and registrars.  > >  > >In
 short, it's as if you owned a field, and you paid a border guard. Now >the border guards want you to pay separately for each little chunk in your >field; it's still the same field, but now it's carved into ever-smaller >pieces. To use my own small field as an example, the field was originally >called edventure.com. Now the new chunks could be labeled edventure.angel, >edventure.blog, edventure.nyc, edventure.post, edventure.fin .... and >perhaps I'll also be solicited to buy the TLD .edventure so that some >educational or editorial group won't get hold of it.  > >  > >In the end, new domain names are somewhat like derivatives: They add >complexity and transactions and lots of rights and obligations without >actually creating anything of value.  > >  > >Context: Innovation can happen without new TLDs > >  > >I have heard from people who say that the new TLDs will lead to great >innovation. I once thought so too. I had visions of .fin as high-value,
 >highly secure TLD for regulated financial services, for example. Right now, >there are people who want to launch .eco and .green as the foundation of a ><green> marketing campaign that would purportedly do untold good for the >world at large. But what's wrong with edventure.com/green?  > >  > >Meanwhile, there is innovation in namespaces, but it comes with overall >innovation. One of the best and simplest examples I can think of is >twitter, where I am @edyson or <http://twitter.com/#!/edyson> >http://twitter.com/#!/edyson - a fine use of an existing TLD.  > >  > >Remedies .... > >  > >Of course, my task here does not end with complaining. What should be done? >First of all, it is not the role of Congress to tell ICANN what to do. ICANN >is accountable to the worldwide public, not to the US Government (except >through one limited contract). But it is the role of Congress to shed light >on issues of public interest, and to suggest politely that ICANN
 follow >through more fully on its acknowledged obligation to solicit public >feedback. As I discovered during my time at ICANN, it's hard to get the >public interested in these matters. (In that respect too, domain names are >like derivatives.)  > >  > >As I mentioned, ICANN has indeed followed the process of soliciting public >opinion, but I do not believe they have obtained <informed consent,> in the >sense that people actually understand the issues.  > >  > >Much broader consultation with the public > >  > >Therefore, although personally I would like to see ICANN simply abandon this >program, I have been told again and again that this is not <realistic.> If >that is indeed the case, I would recommend that ICANN rapidly re-launch its >consultation process with much broader outreach. Perhaps these hearings and >the subsequent press coverage will help to inform the broader public and >shade ICANN's approach to new TLDs. > >  > >Much stronger front-end
 protection > >  > >At the same time, ICANN could offer much broader and easier protection (from >similar-sounding TLDs) to existing registrants, akin to what ICANN itself >has and what the Red Cross is asking for. Of course, this would obviate >much of the interest in the new domain names, but it is a proper obligation >for ICANN to undertake, in my opinion.  > >  > >Conclusion > >  > >The current domain name system in some ways is an accident of history. >ICANN was created to regulate it, independently of any government and on >behalf of the Internet - and world - community as a whole. Just as with >fishing rights, communications spectra, taxi medallions and other <commons,> >there's a delicate balance between too few and too many domain names, which >this new initiative may well upset if it goes forward without more serious >study. As the old saying goes: If it ain't broke, don't fix it!  > >  > >I would welcome any questions.  > >  > >  > > >On Dec
 12, 2011, at 9:46 AM, David Farber wrote: > > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/whats-the-rush/2011/12/09/gIQA5Ms9nO_ >story.html > >ICANN reports to no one - a decision made when the group was created during >the Clinton administration to protect Internet independence. The group has >made some adjustments in response to concerns, including creation of a >trademark clearinghouse and a "rapid response" process to allow legitimate >rights holders to quickly knock out imposters. Officials have said that some >nonprofits may be permitted to pay lower fees. > >Although the plan has been six years in the making, it is not ready for >prime time. ICANN officials acknowledge that they are still working out some >details, including certain protections for trademark holders. The Justice >Department and other law enforcement agencies have expressed concerns about >enforcement. > >ICANN should not approve new names until enforcement and protection issues
 >are resolved. Even then, it should approve at most a few, to allow the >marketplace to absorb and weigh the changes. ICANN would be wise to move >slowly; its legitimacy and Internet efficacy are at stake. > >snip > >------------------------------------------- >Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now >RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/124966-899eea08 >Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/? ><https://www.listbox.com/member/?&> & >Unsubscribe Now: https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/? ><https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?&&post_id=20111212094620:0B2BF592-24D0 >-11E1-A2D1-BF5D4049111E> >&&post_id=20111212094620:0B2BF592-24D0-11E1-A2D1-BF5D4049111E >Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > >Esther Dyson >edyson at edventure.com > >c/o Meetup HQ >632 Broadway, 10th floor >New York, NY 10012 >USA > >www.edventure.com >www.flickr.com/photos/edyson >@edyson > >Always make new mistakes! > > > >
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Tue Dec 13 09:35:12 2011
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:35:12 +0000
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
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References: <CAPVtau=-b4cy-rRvWLNdXrZ=U-_VmmQoM21=ns8BhwOH0y0AGQ@mail.gmail.com>,<24283F97-4C94-45F9-99C3-9AAE4FC3B2B5@uzh.ch>
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Bill,

I'd agree with you; except it is a US election year.

Which means the level of - discourse? - in DC heads in one direction; influenced by various interests with boatloads of $.

So random acts of silliness in and around Washington are more than possible for the forseeable future.

Caveat emptor (if you are planning to spend serious $ on a gtld).

Lee

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From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of William Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:13 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Narine Khachatryan
Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

The post used to be quite a good paper back in the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper source for the cowboy boots and big hair brigade.  It still runs a regular front page feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled to position itself for the digital market, and it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the new management's ear and screamed the sky is falling because you may have defensively register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are not misdirected.

Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't playing this stuff in most deft manner possible, but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the fray as some sort of game changer.

Bill


On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:

Dear all,

Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011

The Washington Post has called for the rollout of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be delayed, claiming that the program is "not ready for prime time".
In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential journal takes issue with plans to open out the top level of the Internet and
aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving ahead with plans to
open up applications on 12 January.

Read more http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay

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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Tue Dec 13 09:41:09 2011
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:41:09 +0900
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
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It will also be ITU World Conference on 
International Telecommunications/International 
Telecommunication Regulations year, CSTD/GA 
silliness year.  So if Washington's interested in 
an open Internet it should be careful.

Adam


>
>Bill,
>
>I'd agree with you; except it is a US election year.
>
>Which means the level of - discourse? - in DC 
>heads in one direction; influenced by various 
>interests with boatloads of $.
>
>So random acts of silliness in and around 
>Washington are more than possible for the 
>forseeable future. 
>
>Caveat emptor (if you are planning to spend serious $ on a gtld).
>
>Lee
>
>
>From: governance at lists.cpsr.org 
>[governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of William 
>Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:13 AM
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Narine Khachatryan
>Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
>
>The post used to be quite a good paper back in 
>the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate 
>etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to 
>compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington 
>Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper 
>source for the cowboy boots and big hair 
>brigade.  It still runs a regular front page 
>feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out 
>what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem 
>cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled 
>to position itself for the digital market, and 
>it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the 
>new management's ear and screamed the sky is 
>falling because you may have defensively 
>register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are 
>not misdirected.
>
>Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't 
>playing this stuff in most deft manner possible, 
>but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the 
>fray as some sort of game changer.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
>>
>>
>>by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011
>>
>>
>>The Washington Post has called for the rollout 
>>of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be 
>>delayed, claiming that the program is "not 
>>ready for prime time".
>>
>>In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, 
>>entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential 
>>journal takes issue with plans to open out the 
>>top level of the Internet and
>>
>>aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, 
>>claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive 
>>and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving 
>>ahead with plans to
>>
>>open up applications on 12 January.
>>
>>
>>Read 
>>more <http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay>http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>Nariné Khachatryan
>>Media Education Center
>>Yerevan, Armenia
>>
>><http://www.immasin.am/>http://www.immasin.am 
>><http://www.safe.am/>http://www.safe.am/
>><http://www.mediaeducation.am/>http://www.mediaeducation.am/
>>
>>
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From william.drake at uzh.ch  Tue Dec 13 09:52:54 2011
From: william.drake at uzh.ch (William Drake)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:52:54 +0100
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BD3C@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>
References: <CAPVtau=-b4cy-rRvWLNdXrZ=U-_VmmQoM21=ns8BhwOH0y0AGQ@mail.gmail.com>,<24283F97-4C94-45F9-99C3-9AAE4FC3B2B5@uzh.ch> <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BD3C@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>
Message-ID: <674B2C78-92EB-4DA0-97CD-FC3AD31F1DD3@uzh.ch>

Hi Lee

Are saying that Tea Party Congressman Dinglepop from South Carolina will be running a reelection campaign based on the argument that the Obama administration failed to exercise authority it does not have in order to block an initiative that will increase private sector investment in the Internet?  And that we know this is bad because the Washington Post says so (which to "the base" is probably just shy of saying "the New York Times says so")?

This would be piece of random silliness worth buying tickets for, no?

Bill

On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> I'd agree with you; except it is a US election year.
> 
> Which means the level of - discourse? - in DC heads in one direction; influenced by various interests with boatloads of $. 
> 
> So random acts of silliness in and around Washington are more than possible for the forseeable future.  
> 
> Caveat emptor (if you are planning to spend serious $ on a gtld).
> 
> Lee
> 
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of William Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:13 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Narine Khachatryan
> Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
> 
> The post used to be quite a good paper back in the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper source for the cowboy boots and big hair brigade.  It still runs a regular front page feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled to position itself for the digital market, and it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the new management's ear and screamed the sky is falling because you may have defensively register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are not misdirected.
> 
> Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't playing this stuff in most deft manner possible, but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the fray as some sort of game changer.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
> 
>> Dear all, 
>> 
>> Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
>> 
>> by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011
>> 
>> The Washington Post has called for the rollout of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be delayed, claiming that the program is "not ready for prime time".
>> In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential journal takes issue with plans to open out the top level of the Internet and 
>> aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving ahead with plans to 
>> open up applications on 12 January.
>> 
>> Read more http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay
>> 
>> -- 
>>  
>> Nariné Khachatryan
>> Media Education Center
>> Yerevan, Armenia
>> http://www.immasin.am 
>> http://www.safe.am/   
>> http://www.mediaeducation.am/
>> 
>> 
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Tue Dec 13 10:03:02 2011
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:03:02 +0000
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
In-Reply-To: <p06240811cb0d13f18cc6@[192.168.1.160]>
References: <CAPVtau=-b4cy-rRvWLNdXrZ=U-_VmmQoM21=ns8BhwOH0y0AGQ@mail.gmail.com>,<2428
 3F97-4C94-45F9-99C3-9AAE4FC3B2B5@uzh.ch>
 <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BD3C@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>,<p06240811cb0d13f18cc6@[192.168.1.160]>
Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BDFD@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>

FYI,

I will be doing my part to raise - or lower - DC discourse quality tomorrow at an FCC workshop on the transition to IP networks.  

Feel free to do your part via email or Twitter: 

http://ischool.syr.edu/newsroom/?recid=1224

Lee


________________________________________
From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of Adam Peake [ajp at glocom.ac.jp]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:41 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: RE: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

It will also be ITU World Conference on
International Telecommunications/International
Telecommunication Regulations year, CSTD/GA
silliness year.  So if Washington's interested in
an open Internet it should be careful.

Adam


>
>Bill,
>
>I'd agree with you; except it is a US election year.
>
>Which means the level of - discourse? - in DC
>heads in one direction; influenced by various
>interests with boatloads of $.
>
>So random acts of silliness in and around
>Washington are more than possible for the
>forseeable future.
>
>Caveat emptor (if you are planning to spend serious $ on a gtld).
>
>Lee
>
>
>From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>[governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of William
>Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:13 AM
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Narine Khachatryan
>Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
>
>The post used to be quite a good paper back in
>the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate
>etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to
>compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington
>Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper
>source for the cowboy boots and big hair
>brigade.  It still runs a regular front page
>feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out
>what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem
>cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled
>to position itself for the digital market, and
>it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the
>new management's ear and screamed the sky is
>falling because you may have defensively
>register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are
>not misdirected.
>
>Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't
>playing this stuff in most deft manner possible,
>but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the
>fray as some sort of game changer.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:
>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
>>
>>
>>by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011
>>
>>
>>The Washington Post has called for the rollout
>>of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be
>>delayed, claiming that the program is "not
>>ready for prime time".
>>
>>In the lead editorial in Monday's paper,
>>entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential
>>journal takes issue with plans to open out the
>>top level of the Internet and
>>
>>aims a series of punches at ICANN itself,
>>claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive
>>and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving
>>ahead with plans to
>>
>>open up applications on 12 January.
>>
>>
>>Read
>>more <http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay>http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>Nariné Khachatryan
>>Media Education Center
>>Yerevan, Armenia
>>
>><http://www.immasin.am/>http://www.immasin.am
>><http://www.safe.am/>http://www.safe.am/
>><http://www.mediaeducation.am/>http://www.mediaeducation.am/
>>
>>
>>
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Tue Dec 13 10:12:14 2011
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:12:14 +0000
Subject: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay
In-Reply-To: <674B2C78-92EB-4DA0-97CD-FC3AD31F1DD3@uzh.ch>
References: <CAPVtau=-b4cy-rRvWLNdXrZ=U-_VmmQoM21=ns8BhwOH0y0AGQ@mail.gmail.com>,<24283F97-4C94-45F9-99C3-9AAE4FC3B2B5@uzh.ch>
 <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BD3C@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>,<674B2C78-92EB-4DA0-97CD-FC3AD31F1DD3@uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05BE16@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>

Bill,

Since ICANN is a product of the Clinton Administration; it is very easy for .XXX to be tied to...Monica Lewinsky.

See I just did.

And it is at the least a trivially easy way to divert attention from the currently leading Republican candidate's own issues of personal morality; should he wish to push that particular button.

So yeah I am saying - we got 11 months of silliness to look forward to.

Traditionally ICT issues are way down the list of DC priorities so I am not suggesting anything is particularly likely - other than 11 months of random acts of siliness.

Lee
________________________________
From: William Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:52 AM
To: Lee W McKnight
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Narine Khachatryan
Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

Hi Lee

Are saying that Tea Party Congressman Dinglepop from South Carolina will be running a reelection campaign based on the argument that the Obama administration failed to exercise authority it does not have in order to block an initiative that will increase private sector investment in the Internet?  And that we know this is bad because the Washington Post says so (which to "the base" is probably just shy of saying "the New York Times says so")?

This would be piece of random silliness worth buying tickets for, no?

Bill

On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:

Bill,

I'd agree with you; except it is a US election year.

Which means the level of - discourse? - in DC heads in one direction; influenced by various interests with boatloads of $.

So random acts of silliness in and around Washington are more than possible for the forseeable future.

Caveat emptor (if you are planning to spend serious $ on a gtld).

Lee

________________________________
From: governance at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org> [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of William Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:13 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org<mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Narine Khachatryan
Subject: Re: [governance] Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

The post used to be quite a good paper back in the latter days of the Viet Nam war, Watergate etc.  In the Bush era it moved right to try to compete with the Rev. Moon-owed Washington Times, which was the preferred Fox on paper source for the cowboy boots and big hair brigade.  It still runs a regular front page feature "On Faith" where politicos can find out what Jesus would do about carbon emissions, stem cells, and drones.  It's also really struggled to position itself for the digital market, and it's not hard to believe some lawyer got in the new management's ear and screamed the sky is falling because you may have defensively register wapost.newgltd so clueless readers are not misdirected.

Kieren may be right that ICANN management isn't playing this stuff in most deft manner possible, but I wouldn't regard the post's entry into the fray as some sort of game changer.

Bill


On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Narine Khachatryan wrote:

Dear all,

Washington Post calls for new gTLD rollout delay

by Kieren McCarthy | 11 Dec 2011

The Washington Post has called for the rollout of hundreds of new Internet extensions to be delayed, claiming that the program is "not ready for prime time".
In the lead editorial in Monday's paper, entitled "What's the .rush?" the influential journal takes issue with plans to open out the top level of the Internet and
aims a series of punches at ICANN itself, claiming it is unaccountable, non-responsive and may undermine its own legitimacy by driving ahead with plans to
open up applications on 12 January.

Read more http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/12/11/washington-post-calls-for-gtld-delay

--

Nariné Khachatryan
Media Education Center
Yerevan, Armenia
http://www.immasin.am <http://www.immasin.am/>
http://www.safe.am/
http://www.mediaeducation.am/



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From meryem at marzouki.info  Tue Dec 13 12:43:59 2011
From: meryem at marzouki.info (Meryem Marzouki)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:43:59 +0100
Subject: [governance] Reminder - CSISAC Job Opening: Community Manager and
 Liaison to OECD
References: <39910E12-D351-41B2-97E7-672A859CB477@marzouki.info>
Message-ID: <BBEDF477-CB3B-4651-9710-EF70291FB59F@marzouki.info>

Dear all,

Please consider and help disseminate the following job advertisement for "CSISAC Community Manager and Liaison to OECD". 
This job advertisement below is also available at: http://csisac.org/2011/12/csisac_job_opening_community_m.php
The full job description (linked from the advertisement text) is at: http://csisac.org/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011.pdf

Looking forward to receive excellent applications!
Best regards,
Meryem Marzouki

==== CSISAC Job Advertisement===
Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council to the OECD (CSISAC)

Community Manager and Liaison to OECD

Are you a brilliant and experienced community manager, people-motivator, public-interest advocate, while being a diplomat, knowledgeable and showing strong interest in policy related to the internet, telecommunications and information society?

If so, we are looking for just such a person to co-ordinate our activities. Civil Society Information Society Advisory Council (CSISAC) is an international alliance of privacy, digital rights, consumer organisations and academia. Its main purpose is to contribute constructively to the policy work of the OECD Committee that works on everything related to the information society.  The job of the liaison person is to be the contact point between the members and the relevant OECD committees and working parties, co-ordinate, inspire, engage and organise the members, as well as represent the alliance effectively and carry out essential administrative duties.  The position is part-time, for 2.5 days per week, though distributed unevenly during the year. It is on a contract/freelance basis and you can be based in Europe, ideally within easy distance of the OECD headquarters in Paris, but we will consider skilled candidates who are further afield.  Further details can be found in the attached full job description which can also bedownloadedfromhttp://csisac.org/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011/Description-CSISACLiaisonJob2011.pdf, and further information about CSISAC can befoundonwww.csisac.org.

Please apply in writing, enclosing a CV with at least one reference who may be contacted and a cover letter of no more than one page, explaining how you meet the qualifications and skills outlined in the job description. Deadline for applications is 31 December 2011.  Apply by email to Meryem Marzouki (EDRI representative, CSISAC Steering Committee member: meryem[at]marzouki[dot]info). Shortlisted candidates will be provided with specific information on salary during their interview.
=============

--
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 17:00:41 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:00:41 -0800
Subject: [governance] FW: [csisac-members] [NYT] O.E.C.D. Calls on Members
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Subject: [csisac-members] [NYT] O.E.C.D. Calls on Members to Defend
InternetFreedoms

Dear all,

FYI this NYT article, with the mention that "A version of this article
appeared in print on December 14, 2011, in The International Herald Tribune
with the headline: O.E.C.D. Calls on Members to Defend Internet Freedoms."
The article lnks this call from OECD to its member to the June OECD HLM
communique. Best, Meryem

O.E.C.D. Calls on Members to Defend Internet Freedoms
By ERIC PFANNER
Published: December 13, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/technology/oecd-calls-on-members-to-defend
-internet-freedoms.html

PARIS — As a rising tide of digital dissent raises alarms in many capitals
around the world, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development
on Tuesday called on member countries to “promote and protect the global
free flow of information” online.

The O.E.C.D. , a group of 34 developed countries, urged policy makers to
support investment in digital networks and to take a light touch on
regulation, saying this was essential for promoting economic growth via the
Internet.

“It’s really a milestone in terms of making a statement about openness,”
said Karen Kornbluh, the U.S. ambassador to the O.E.C.D. “You can’t really
get the innovation you need in terms of creating jobs unless we work
together to protect the openness of the Internet.”

The approval of the recommendations by the O.E.C.D. council builds on a
communiqué issued at a meeting in June, when the broad outlines of the
policy were drawn up. The guidelines are not binding, but are intended to
work through the power of persuasion . Also, the Internet recommendations
will from now on be included among the criteria for assessing candidates for
membership in the O.E.C.D., which is based in Paris.

While the Arab Spring, Occupy Wall Street and other movements have shown the
potential of the Internet for organizing political protest, there has also
been a backlash, with a number of governments stepping up their efforts to
crack down on free speech in the digital sphere.

China, which has long blocked access to Web sites deemed to be undesirable,
said recently that it would step up monitoring of social media, messaging
services and other forums in an effort to crack down on the publishing of
“harmful information.” India has asked Internet companies and social media
sites to prescreen user contributions to remove disparaging, inflammatory or
defamatory content, according to Internet company executives.

In Russia there were reports of a crackdown on Web-borne dissent before and
after parliamentary elections this month. Russia was one of a number of
countries that blocked the adoption of a U.S.-backed declaration of online
freedoms this month at a meeting of the Organization for Security and
Cooperation in Europe.

Russian officials, along with those of some developing countries, have made
no secret of their desire to regulate the Internet at an international
level, under the auspices of the International Telecommunications Union, a
United Nations agency. The O.E.C.D document, by contrast, endorses the
existing, dispersed model of Internet governance, under which governments,
business organizations and groups representing Internet users all have a
say.

The move by the O.E.C.D. on Tuesday “validates, defends and promotes an
Internet model that is not government led, but led by the technical
community and the private sector,” said Markus Kummer, vice president for
public policy at the Internet Society , whose members include technology
companies and educational institutions. “I think it is timely to remember
some basic cornerstones, when there is increased pressure on governments to
get involved in a more hands-on way.”

Some O.E.C.D. members’ policies have also come under scrutiny, especially
measures aimed at cracking down on unauthorized sharing of digital music and
other media. Campaigners for an open Internet have criticized the French
approach to fighting piracy, which includes the threat of disconnecting
persistent violators’ Internet connections.

In the United States, meanwhile, Internet companies like Google are
campaigning against congressional proposals that could require them to block
links to Web sites accused of facilitating piracy.

The music and movie industries say tougher action is needed to stop piracy.
But opponents of the measures say they could be used to stifle legitimate
political speech, not just copyright theft.

Among other things, the O.E.C.D. recommendation urges policy makers to
“limit Internet intermediary liability” — that is, to shield Internet
companies from responsibility for the content that they carry. Under
existing U.S. laws, Internet companies have a so-called safe harbor if they
take down copyright violations when they are informed of them.

“Congress is proposing solutions that are inconsistent with the O.E.C.D.
principles,” said Leslie Harris, president of the Center for Democracy and
Technology in Washington.

President Barack Obama has not taken a position on the bills, but members of
his administration have been outspoken in their defense of free speech on
the Internet.

“The right to express one’s views, practice one’s faith, peacefully assemble
with others to pursue political or social change — these are all rights to
which all human beings are entitled, whether they choose to exercise them in
a city square or an Internet chat room,” the U.S. secretary of state,
Hillary Rodham Clinton, said last week at an Internet conference in the
Netherlands. “And just as we have worked together since the last century to
secure these rights in the material world, we must work together in this
century to secure them in cyberspace.”



--
Meryem Marzouki - Paris, France
Email: meryem at marzouki.info
Lab. LIP6/CNRS/UPMC - www-polytic.lip6.fr
IRIS (Imaginons un réseau Internet solidaire) - www.iris.sgdg.org EDRI
(European Digital Rights) - www.edri.org

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 22:37:38 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:37:38 -0800
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] EFF calls for signatures from Internet
 Engineers against  censorship
Message-ID: <B1132D1293B846C19B0451438E6409D0@UserVAIO>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Peter Eckersley
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Subject: EFF call for signatures from Internet Engineers against censorship
To: David Farber <dave at farber.net>


(For the IP list)

Last year, EFF organized an open letter against Internet censorship
legislation being considered by the US Senate
(https://eff.org/deeplinks/2010/09/open-letter).  Along with other activists
efforts, we successfully delayed that proposal, but need to update the
letter
for two bills, SOPA and PIPA, that are close to passing through US Congress
now.

If you would like to sign, please email me at pde at eff.org, with a one-line
summary of what part of the Internet you helped to helped to design,
implement, debug or run.

We need signatures by 8am GMT on Thursday (midnight Wednesday US Pacific,
3am
US Eastern).  Also feel free to forward this to colleagues who played a role
in designing and building the network.

The updated letter's text is below:

 We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called
 the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the standards
 and protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented parts of it.
 We're just a little proud of the social and economic benefits that our
 project, the Internet, has brought with it.

 Last year, many of us wrote to you and your colleagues to warn about the
 proposed "COICA" copyright and censorship legislation.  Today, we are
 writing again to reiterate our concerns about the SOPA and PIPA derivatives
 of last year's bill, that are under consideration in the House and Senate.
 In many respects, these proposals are worse than the one we were alarmed to
 read last year.

 If enacted, either of these bills will create an environment of tremendous
 fear and uncertainty for technological innovation, and seriously harm the
 credibility of the United States in its role as a steward of key Internet
 infrastructure. Regardless of recent amendments to SOPA, both bills will
 risk fragmenting the Internet's global domain name system (DNS) and have
 other capricious technical consequences.  In exchange for this, such
 legislation would engender censorship that will simultaneously be
 circumvented by deliberate infringers while hampering innocent parties'
 right and ability to communicate and express themselves online.

 All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were intended
 to restrict, but these bills are particularly egregious in that regard
 because they cause entire domains to vanish from the Web, not just
 infringing pages or files.  Worse, an incredible range of useful,
 law-abiding sites can be blacklisted under these proposals.  In fact, it
 seems that this has already begun to happen under the nascent DHS/ICE
 seizures program.

 Censorship of Internet infrastructure will inevitably cause network errors
 and security problems.  This is true in China, Iran and other countries
that
 censor the network today; it will be just as true of American censorship.
 It is also true regardless of whether censorship is implemented via the
DNS,
 proxies, firewalls, or any other method.  Types of network errors and
 insecurity that we wrestle with today will become more widespread, and will
 affect sites other than those blacklisted by the American government.

 The current bills -- SOPA explicitly and PIPA implicitly -- also threaten
 engineers who build Internet systems or offer services that are not readily
 and automatically compliant with censorship actions by the U.S. government.
 When we designed the Internet the first time, our priorities were
 reliability, robustness and minimizing central points of failure or
control.
 We are alarmed that Congress is so close to mandating censorship-compliance
 as a design requirement for new Internet innovations.  This can only damage
 the security of the network, and give authoritarian governments more power
 over what their citizens can read and publish.

 The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and open
 Internet, both domestically and abroad.  We cannot have a free and open
 Internet unless its naming and routing systems sit above the political
 concerns and objectives of any one government or industry. To date, the
 leading role the US has played in this infrastructure has been fairly
 uncontroversial because America is seen as a trustworthy arbiter and a
 neutral bastion of free expression. If the US begins to use its
 central in the network for censorship that advances its political and
 economic agenda, the consequences will be far-reaching and destructive.

 Senators, Congressmen, we believe the Internet is too important and too
 valuable to be endangered in this way, and implore you to put these bills
 aside.

--
Peter Eckersley                            pde at eff.org
Technology Projects Director      Tel  +1 415 436 9333 x131
Electronic Frontier Foundation    Fax  +1 415 436 9993


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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Wed Dec 14 05:09:12 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:09:12 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <4EE6EDE5.3010106@uni-graz.at>
References: <12265726.136140.1323731521791.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h22>
	<4EE6EDE5.3010106@uni-graz.at>
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Dear all,

while I would have much to say on the topic, I am but a humble officer of
the European Commission. You can therefore find the reaction of Neelie
Kroes herself to the "comments" received so far here:

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/

For Jean-Louis: there are many ways to let Neelie Kroes know your views,
both via email (Neelie.Kroes at ec.europa.eu - not sure what you mean by saing
her email address is "protected"), by comments on her blog (
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/<http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/>),
via twitter (@NeelieKroesEU) and via plain old paper mail (
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_en.htm).
As
you are surely aware, many people have made use of this opportunity.

Best,

Andrea

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann <
matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote:

>  Dear Jean-Louis,
>
> I agree with you, but  Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes
> might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators he's
> supposed to interact with are experienced with angry crowds of online
> activists publishing information online that they'd rather not have the
> world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations in their
> countries). If he convinces dictators to act the same way he did - lie a
> bit, if they must, but then accept the inevitable and go peacefully - he
> might actually not have been such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged
> about this at http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com).
>
> But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't
> raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of
> planning.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
>
> Dear members of the list
>
>
> Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean
> Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is
> protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.
>
> It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign
> eight months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying
> large textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations".
>
>
>
> Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European Commission
> on Information Society official  publication)
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet freedom
> globally<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
>
> <http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
>  *(12 December 2011)* European Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has
> invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of Defence,
> and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to advise on how to provide
> ongoing support to Internet users, bloggers and cyber-activists living
> under authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key element of a new
> "No Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human
> rights and fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and
> that internet and other information and communication technology (ICT) can
> remain a driver of political freedom, democratic development and economic
> growth.
>
>
>  The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the
> Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".
>
> Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste"
> :-))
>
> Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes,
> nor for the Internet.
>
>
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> Director of French NGO CSDPTT
>
> Accredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information
> Society (WSIS)
>
> Member of the UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg
>
>
>
>
> Message du 12/12/11 17:43
>
> > De : "parminder"
> > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
> >
> >
> > On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>
> On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
>
>  We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet.
>
>  You already have them.  With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,
>
>
> > Karl,
> >
> > The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance
> (here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) so
> often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless (non)
> debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many
> other more important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
> hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.
> >
> >  Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike
> DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune to
> IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de facto. I
> have asked for countervailing systems of political and democratic power
> specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other
> countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.
> >
> > As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of
> issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not have
> any problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN to be
> managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN and
> applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an
> international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This
> is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
> >
> > We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a
> direction to ICANN  to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US
> law in one of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an order, and
> ICANN will have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's
> globalness and neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And,
> hopefully later than sooner, US government itself will be caught into a
> high stake security 'situation' whereby it will just have to do something
> vis a vis the CIRs that it exercises control over, in negation of what it
> likes to make everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we
> must all wait for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know
> is already there.
> >
> > parminder
> >
>
>  populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers.  And DNSSEC will still work.  As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:  Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.  Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways.  Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block.  (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can rem
> ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.)  What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets.  	--karl--  ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing  For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your p
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 06:03:47 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:03:47 -0800
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <CAOLD2+ab_ORe+XJNh43-ogtB8kzHATR9TjHCxvokGLhCgsbihQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO>

Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a
surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.
 
M
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf
Of Andrea Glorioso
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:09 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: Re: [governance] A shame for the EC


Dear all, 

while I would have much to say on the topic, I am but a humble officer of
the European Commission. You can therefore find the reaction of Neelie Kroes
herself to the "comments" received so far here:

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/

For Jean-Louis: there are many ways to let Neelie Kroes know your views,
both via email (Neelie.Kroes at ec.europa.eu - not sure what you mean by saing
her email address is "protected"), by comments on her blog
(http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/
<http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/> ),
via twitter (@NeelieKroesEU) and via plain old paper mail
(http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_e
n.htm). As you are surely aware, many people have made use of this
opportunity.

Best,

Andrea


On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann
<matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote:


Dear Jean-Louis, 

I agree with you, but  Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes
might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators he's
supposed to interact with are experienced with angry crowds of online
activists publishing information online that they'd rather not have the
world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations in their
countries). If he convinces dictators to act the same way he did - lie a
bit, if they must, but then accept the inevitable and go peacefully - he
might actually not have been such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged
about this at http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com).

But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't
raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of planning.


Kind regards

Matthias 




Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK: 

Dear members of the list


Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean
Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is
protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.

It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign eight
months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying large
textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations". 



Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European Commission on
Information Society official  publication)
PRESS RELEASE 

 
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id
=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=dail
y> Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet freedom
globally



 
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id
=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=dail
y> 



(12 December 2011) European Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has
invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of Defence,
and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to advise on how to provide
ongoing support to Internet users, bloggers and cyber-activists living under
authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key element of a new "No
Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human rights
and fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and that
internet and other information and communication technology (ICT) can remain
a driver of political freedom, democratic development and economic growth.




The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the
Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".



Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste"
:-))



Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes,
nor for the Internet.

     



Jean-Louis Fullsack 
Director of French NGO CSDPTT

Accredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information Society
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> De : "parminder" 
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
> 
> 
> On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote: 

On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:    

We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
global Internet.     

You already have them.  With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons,
is free to set up their own DNS roots,


> Karl, 
> 
> The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance
(here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) so
often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless (non)
debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many
other more important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.  
> 
>  Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike
DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune to
IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de facto. I
have asked for countervailing systems of political and democratic power
specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other
countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.
> 
> As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of issue:
In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not have any
problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN to be
managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN and
applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an
international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This
is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
> 
> We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a direction
to ICANN  to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US law in one
of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an order, and ICANN will
have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and
neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And, hopefully later
than sooner, US government itself will be caught into a high stake security
'situation' whereby it will just have to do something vis a vis the CIRs
that it exercises control over, in negation of what it likes to make
everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we must all wait
for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know is already
there.
> 
> parminder 
> 

 populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision
their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers.  And
DNSSEC will still work.  As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:
Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and
routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.
Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level
gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application
level gateways.  Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those
who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an
attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and
application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to
monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block.  (Moreover, in
these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing
investments in IPv4 equipment can rem

ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as
one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.)  What I am
saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation,
that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an
internet of internets.  	--karl--
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From nb at bollow.ch  Wed Dec 14 09:36:09 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:36:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO> (gurstein@gmail.com)
References: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO>
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> Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a
> surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.

Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
and suitable person to fill this role:

According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
for its decisions".

[1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/

Greetings,
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Wed Dec 14 09:52:12 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:52:12 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
References: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO>
	<20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
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Norbert,

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
> as a
> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
> made.
>
> Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
> and suitable person to fill this role:
>
> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
> for its decisions".
>

I'm not sure you saw my email in which I pointed to the blog post in which
Neelie Kroes reacted to the various comments on this matter. It is here:

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/

In there, you will see that the main reasons why she made this decision
are that, in her view, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg:

   - "is capable of coming up with and delivering excellent ideas"
   - has "international outlook and contacts to help us push these issues
   forward"
   - "understands the highly relevant security and foreign affairs world"

You, like everyone else, have of course the right not to agree with this
assessment. But suggesting that she is not providing her reasons for
taking such decision, as you seem to do; or that there must be some
other obscure reason for it, as others have done, seems a bit over
the top to me.

As a matter of fact, Neelie Kroes had already explained this during the
press conference on Monday. You will also appreciate that she did not
need to wait for a "formal question" to clarify her views on the matter.

I would also like to stress that, as it is clear both in the press release
and
in the blog post, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is an *advisor*. He will not
take decisions, which remain in the hands of Neelie Kroes and, where
appropriate, the College of European Commissioners, other
public authorities, the private sector and other stakeholders.

Best,

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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:03:29 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:03:29 +0300
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <CAOLD2+b_i7QLoZg0SesACA8oDn6w5AR=fbbM_riGyPWmoOMBZA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
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plus, he isn't getting paid apparently, so normal search rules
wouldn't apply (I'm guessing).

On 12/14/11, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
> Norbert,
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>
>> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
>> as a
>> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
>> made.
>>
>> Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
>> and suitable person to fill this role:
>>
>> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
>> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
>> for its decisions".
>>
>
> I'm not sure you saw my email in which I pointed to the blog post in which
> Neelie Kroes reacted to the various comments on this matter. It is here:
>
> http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/
>
> In there, you will see that the main reasons why she made this decision
> are that, in her view, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg:
>
>    - "is capable of coming up with and delivering excellent ideas"
>    - has "international outlook and contacts to help us push these issues
>    forward"
>    - "understands the highly relevant security and foreign affairs world"
>
> You, like everyone else, have of course the right not to agree with this
> assessment. But suggesting that she is not providing her reasons for
> taking such decision, as you seem to do; or that there must be some
> other obscure reason for it, as others have done, seems a bit over
> the top to me.
>
> As a matter of fact, Neelie Kroes had already explained this during the
> press conference on Monday. You will also appreciate that she did not
> need to wait for a "formal question" to clarify her views on the matter.
>
> I would also like to stress that, as it is clear both in the press release
> and
> in the blog post, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is an *advisor*. He will not
> take decisions, which remain in the hands of Neelie Kroes and, where
> appropriate, the College of European Commissioners, other
> public authorities, the private sector and other stakeholders.
>
> Best,
>
> --
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> in mind.
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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Wed Dec 14 10:08:17 2011
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:08:17 +0900
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
References: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO>
 <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
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well she does answer and give reasons for her decision, read the blog 
again 
<<http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/>http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/>

Whether Guttenberg's a sensible choice to promote Internet freedom is 
another matter.  But she's within her rights to promote a ass (if 
that's what he is, not really very bothered by who gets appointed to 
some unpaid advisor position, but at least he's not Dutch...)

Adam



>  > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not 
>have come as a
>>  surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.
>
>Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
>and suitable person to fill this role:
>
>According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
>in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
>for its decisions".
>
>[1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
>
>Greetings,
>Norbert
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 10:12:33 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:12:33 -0400
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
In-Reply-To: <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
References: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO> <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN7VXQjreeZqpTCdn36YaUTe9Q98YEKyKYKv9fgD5ohTqQ@mail.gmail.com>

This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism
isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is
still important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed.
With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the
existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published,
information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was
assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's
intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as
it used to be?
Deirdre

On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
> as a
> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
> made.
>
> Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
> and suitable person to fill this role:
>
> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
> for its decisions".
>
> [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
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From jovank at diplomacy.edu  Wed Dec 14 12:02:33 2011
From: jovank at diplomacy.edu (Jovan Kurbalija)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:02:33 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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References: <4F6AB1DCDF4748619D8430D1CE5542B0@UserVAIO> <20111214143610.173A115C249@quill.bollow.ch> <CAMz5XN7VXQjreeZqpTCdn36YaUTe9Q98YEKyKYKv9fgD5ohTqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE8D6A9.7020707@diplomacy.edu>

Deirdre,

You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by 
the news that 85% of university students in the United States are 
involved in some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? 
Should we invest in a better anti plagiarism software or start 
considering a new educational paradigm? Like with many other policy 
issues, there is a mix of causes and effects. Here is the link to the 
discussion from 2007 which is still valid today: http://wp.me/p81We-m

Regards, Jovan

On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about 
> plagiarism isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. 
> Privacy is still important but the things considered "private" seem to 
> have changed. With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged 
> to "remix" from the existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, 
> once published, information is "free"? When I asked this question on 
> the Diplo ning I was assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if 
> you borrow someone else's intellectual property you must acknowledge 
> where/who it came from.
> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked 
> as it used to be?
> Deirdre
>
> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch 
> <mailto:nb at bollow.ch>> wrote:
>
>     > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not
>     have come as a
>     > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it
>     was made.
>
>     Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>     question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>     instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a
>     well-qualified
>     and suitable person to fill this role:
>
>     According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>     which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>     Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
>     in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
>     for its decisions".
>
>     [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
>
>     Greetings,
>     Norbert
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From nb at bollow.ch  Wed Dec 14 12:23:07 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:23:07 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
> > question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
> > instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
> > and suitable person to fill this role:
>
> I'm not sure you saw my email in which I pointed to the blog post in which
> Neelie Kroes reacted to the various comments on this matter. It is here:
> 
> http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/
> 
> In there, you will see that the main reasons why she made this decision
> are that, in her view, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg:
> 
>    - "is capable of coming up with and delivering excellent ideas"
>    - has "international outlook and contacts to help us push these issues
>    forward"
>    - "understands the highly relevant security and foreign affairs world"

She is giving what seems to be some valid arguments in his favor.

But I don't find what seems to me the key question, the one that I
was referring to above (perhaps without descibing it in enough
detail): Why was a person chosen who is burdened by (1) a rather fresh
public scandal and who is (2) furthermore burdened by in the past
having taken positions that are rather offensive to many of those
activists for whom "part of Karl-Theodor’s role will be to reach out
to those people, to ensure that their work gets the proper support
and recognition.", and why was there not what I would consider a
normal process of searching for a well-qualified and suitable person
e.g. by means of a public job offer?

> You, like everyone else, have of course the right not to agree with this
> assessment. But suggesting that she is not providing her reasons for
> taking such decision, as you seem to do; or that there must be some
> other obscure reason for it, as others have done, seems a bit over
> the top to me.

She is giving reasons, but as far as I can see, what I see as the
main question (described above) remains unanswered.

If others agree that this is an important, so far unanswered
question then maybe it should be pursued in a way that gives it
at least a bit more weight than what from Mrs. Kroes' perspective
is probably mainly a big noise of nearly-incomrehensible discontent.

> I would also like to stress that, as it is clear both in the press
> release and in the blog post, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is an
> *advisor*. He will not take decisions, which remain in the hands of
> Neelie Kroes and, where appropriate, the College of European
> Commissioners, other public authorities, the private sector and
> other stakeholders.

If I read Mrs Kroes' blog post correctly, Mr zu Guttenberg is
intended to have a key role in the information flow from activists
and experts an extremely important topic area (about which I
personally care very much) into the EU's decision-making processes.

I think that Mrs Kroes deserves to be highly commended for creating
this advisory position, and for her desire to fill it with a highly
skilled person.

Maybe she is even right to weigh Mr. zu Guttenberg's positive
qualities higher than what quite a few people including myself see
as negative or even offensive aspects of this decision. (Thinking
about it, her point about the relevance of the "security and foreign
affairs world" *might* turn out to be a valid reason to appoint Mr
zu Guttenberg rather than someone with e.g. an activist background.)

But quite independently of that question, I still think that it would
be important to shine some light on the question of due process or
lack thereof in the choice of such advisors:

* Was the question of reputational risk for the Commission's efforts
  "to promote internet freedom globally" adequately considered?

* Was the question of reputational risk for the experts to whom Mr
  zu Guttenberg is intended to reach out adequately considered?

* Is the overall process for filling important advisory positions, and
  for deciding what kind of compensation is offered to prospective
  advisors, adequate?

Among these questions, the third is the most important IMO, and I am
particularly doubtful about the wisdom of governance institutions
having financially unpaid but important positions that involve a lot
of work. With regard to the first two of these points, I'd be satisfied
with a simple "yes or no" answer, but the third IMO merits some
in-depth discussion.

Greetings,
Norbert
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From nb at bollow.ch  Wed Dec 14 12:31:25 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:31:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as
> it used to be?

IMO it is possible to justifiably argue this in some contexts, but
certainly not in the context of a Ph.D. thesis, which is the context
of the particular scandal that was mentioned.

Greetings,
Norbert
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 14:42:37 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:42:37 -0400
Subject: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Jovan and Norbert,
Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total
of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a distinction
between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has
thought and written?
Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in fact
it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much
good at statistics.
I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what
this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to
make the point clearer.
Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on
ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect
what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of
intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with
the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership.
Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose
work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of
publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.
Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a child:
"When gorse is out of blossom,"
(Its prickles bare of gold)
"Then kissing's out of fashion,"
Said country-folk of old.
Thank you CM Barker, and Google for knowing about it as well. What does our
discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that gorse
always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty.
Honesty is the social Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without
at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail.
Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy name
for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that
we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign our
society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if anything,
to gain from the change.
Deirdre

On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:

>  Deirdre,
>
> You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by
> the news that 85% of university students in the United States are involved
> in some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we invest
> in a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new educational
> paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes and
> effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still valid
> today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
>
> Regards, Jovan
>
> On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>
> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism
> isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is
> still important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed.
> With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the
> existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published,
> information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was
> assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's
> intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as
> it used to be?
> Deirdre
>
> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>
>> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
>> as a
>> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
>> made.
>>
>>  Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
>> and suitable person to fill this role:
>>
>> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
>> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
>> for its decisions".
>>
>> [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
>>
>> Greetings,
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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Wed Dec 14 15:21:50 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:21:50 +0100
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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Thank you Daniel.

The truth is that interest has over taken RESPECT of each other.

The World would give us more than we currently have; if will could put
respect first.

The US do have great interest; and WISH to control an orderly Global
Village.

To me its time to set the Global Village with the rules and regulations for
a more respectful World Societies.

Warm wishes,

Sea

On 13 Dec 2011 09:21, "Daniel Kalchev" <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:



On 13.12.11 08:11, parminder wrote:
>
>
>> For example, from a policy perspective, the way that ...
The 'technical' consensus is based on common sense and in virtually all
cases wins, compared to the political consensus. The political consensus is
based on promises, that politicians ah too easy make and that are never
fulfilled in reality. But even if fulfilled, they could only serve and
satisfy a minority. There is no evidence of the contrary.



> The most powerful interests are able to veto any progressive change. For
instance, if we were lo...
This is simple. If you go for a consensus, then you need to define whose
consensus. If you go the "democratic" way, and require the consensus of
everyone, as in voting, then the rich people generally "lose" because those
who do not consider themselves rich and will believe they will not be taxed
are more. If you have a ratio of say 1:100 to rich:other people, this is
also politically 'reasonable', because for every rich person vote, you gain
100 'other' votes. Of course, the rich perople typically pay the
politicians to do what suits them, including for the election campaigns so
for the politicians it is really a matter of calculating where the greater
benefit will be. Not the public interest! Not any forward looking planning
and even vision.



> And if large corporates sat at the policy table, will they  let it pass?

Surprisingly, they may. Large corporations have been distorted to the
point, to care more about things like market share, shareholder profits
etc. They do not care much about (domestic) politics etc. So corporations
may surprisingly support more taxes for the rich, if this brings them more
profit (like, the masses having more money to spend on their products).



> I am just trying to make a point that what works in CIR management does
not necessarily work for...
The key difference here is that Internet is global.



> The precise point of my original 'sopa or no sopa' posting was to show
how this is not the case,...
We have to understand two things here:

1. The US has always been 'in charge' of the Internet.

2. This will continue to be so, while everybody prefers to utilize the
services of US based Internet corporations instead of the services of
'local' parties. Funny enough, most such cases are "because we do not want
those local guys becoming important, so we will instead collaborate with
someone abroad, why not that US corporation that offers us so many
promises".

Internet let's everyone be their own masters. It also lets any individual
or a group of individuals have whatever they want relationship with the
rest of the world or any particular party. It gives people ultimate freedom
in communication. Most don't understand this yet, but more and more already
do.

This is all freaking the Government types. And we see all sort of SOPA
things.

Daniel

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 15:59:09 2011
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:59:09 -0800
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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To my mind it may not be a moral thing... (moral lapses with appropriate
repentance can be "forgiven" at least by some...

Kroes seems to suggest that the reason that she "hired" zu Guttenberg was at
least in part because of his intelligence and savvyness, at least about the
Internet... The fact that he (or whoever ghosted it for him?) didn't seem to
anticipate that someone would run the thesis through something like
http://www.Turnitin.com to my mind indicates a significant lack of both.

I can assure you that the folks that I used to catch doing plagiarism for
their senior essays were generally not the best and the brightest. (The
one's I couldn't catch or rather couldn't prove because they were more
careful at covering their tracks (or paid their ghosts more) were generally
smarter/savvyer...

And I agree with Jovan/Deirdre about a new paradigm about
"plagiarism"/remixing etc.... Open book exams with Internet access rather
than invigilation BUT Ph.D.'s are meant to be "original" contributions to
knowledge (that is the point of them...

M

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Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked 
> as it used to be?

IMO it is possible to justifiably argue this in some contexts, but certainly
not in the context of a Ph.D. thesis, which is the context of the particular
scandal that was mentioned.

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From lehto.paul at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:12:17 2011
From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:12:17 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Sonigitu Ekpe <
sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> wrote:

> Thank you Daniel.
>
> The truth is that interest has over taken RESPECT of each other.
>
> The World would give us more than we currently have; if will could put
> respect first.
>
> The US do have great interest; and WISH to control an orderly Global
> Village.
>
> To me its time to set the Global Village with the rules and regulations
> for a more respectful World Societies.
>
>
This reminds me to bring us back to a prior discussion, where I showed
(except to the satisfaction, it seems, of a couple posters on this list)
that there are always "background" laws from some country or jurisdiction
that structure transactions involving the internet.  No matter how
dedicated a tiny minority might be in not using contracts (and thus the
contract laws of some country or place) *they will still claim the legal
right to the ownership of their own server, or their own computer, thus
implicating the property laws of some country* or place, even if this tiny
few refuses other legal structures like internet commerce with its
contracts and terms of service with Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, or the like.
Even this tiny minority on the internet will still claim, very likely, some
kind of right to be free of basic denial of service attacks, and so forth.


If there is to be any civilization on the internet, we need legal tools
that go beyond the primitive tools like retaliation and social ostracism
(not available for anonymous attacks) that are practiced in extremely rare,
relatively law-free situations.

*If we start out with a truly law-free system, people will rapidly develop
a very large consensus that there needs to be a way to enforce promises
(such as those in contracts) so that trust and reliance on the word of
others can be promoted* -- this is very good for the economy among other
things.    An extremely large consensus will rapidly form, for example,
that when one buys something or says something, the thing one buys should
work at a basic level, and the words spoken should not be a direct death
threat.  This leads, respectively, to what's called the "implied warranty
of merchantability" in contract law and certain criminal / libel laws (in
common law countries) to protect the reasonable expectations of buyers and
the reasonable expectations of those who wish to engage in free speech.
"Free speech" has never meant - to any serious thinker anyway - speech
entirely devoid of all civility and respect, no matter how extreme.

The key to all of this is a balance.  *There MUST BE some "structuring
laws" like those I mention above, but they SHOULD BE as neutral a playing
field as possible*.  What it seems we all want to avoid (but some confuse
the issue by implicitly stating that this kind of abuse of power is *the
ONLY thing* governments do) is prevent heavy-handed government control and
over-structuring of the internet.   But just because we oppose heavy
government censorship in China, for example, does not mean that ALL LAW is
a bad thing.

Law is, as I try to show in brief form above, *a necessity at some basic
level*.  The question is only *who* the governments will be that will
provide the necessary law (even if this law is chosen in an internet
contract with a "choice of law" provision) - even if we have to create a
new global democratic government system for the internet - and *whether *that
law will be a type of neutral law facilitating the freedom, equality and
protection of all, or whether it will be driven by special interests or for
the advantage of certain public or private power brokers, whether they be
business interests or governmental interests.

Neutral laws can be imagined or derived from thought-experiments involving
the idea of the "veil of ignorance."  That is, we imagine ourselves before
birth, ignorant of whether we will be born rich or poor, healthy or ill,
etc.   Not knowing our fate, we are not able to prefer any special
interest.  Under these situations, we quickly develop very large majorities
if not unanimity that all humans should be considered equal in certain
basic respects, etc.  On a little more sophisticated level, we can also
imagine similar neutral laws for the internet. *This "veil of ignorance"
example can be used as one test of whether a given law is of the neutral,
freedom-facilitating and equality-facilitating type,* or whether it is of
the special interest/power broker type of interference that very few really
support, both in the real world and in the "veil of ignorance."

We ought not to engage in fantasies of "no law."   Those who do engage in
such fantasies are either doomed to very primitive conditions of
retaliation or ostracism when things go bad, and they simply don't "see"
the invisible laws that continue to structure human interactions, whether
they know it or not.  What we, I think, all want to do, is make sure we
have a framework of neutral laws that facilitate the structures of freedom
but at the same time also make sure that there are no, or very few, unjust
laws.  Without law, it is the law of the jungle -- victory of the powerful
over the weak -- that dominates, and it has been a number of centuries at
least since a majority thought the law of the jungle was in any way just
(if indeed a majority EVER has thought so).

So I am not confused with those who rely too much on consensus, I will also
add that in certain important cases we will also need not consensus-based
decision-making but majority rule decision-making.   But here, there is
such a thing as "the tyranny of the majority."  Majorities can oppress
minorities.  To solve this democratic dilemma, we have developed TWO tiers
of law.  First there is constitutional law - the most basic protections and
rights - which mere majorities can not change (but usually large
super-majorities can).  Second, there is "regular" law.    In all of
the *situations
where the tyranny of the majority danger is greatest, we protect freedom
and equality with the high constitutional law*, so that temporary
majorities don't take advantage of minorities (e.g. constitutional rights
against race discrimination, etc).

With all of the understandable anti-law or anti-US-hegemony talk on this
list, I think it is important to understand that from the perspective of
being behind the "veil of ignorance"  it can be seen that while reasonable
people may disagree on the number of laws and sometimes on their content,
there can be no *reasonable* assertion that the internet (as we know it)
can exist WITHOUT law entirely.  So the question is *who* will make the
laws and *for where*, and *what *their proper content should be.

Paul Lehto, J.D.

-- 
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P.O. Box 1
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From ivarhartmann at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:40:55 2011
From: ivarhartmann at gmail.com (Ivar A. M. Hartmann)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:40:55 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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Paul,
I don't see how the argument you so extensively devoted yourself to make
(and with which I agree) is pertinent to the issue pointed out by Sonigitu.

"No matter how dedicated a tiny minority might be in not using contracts
(and thus the contract laws of some country or place) *they will still
claim the legal right to the ownership of their own server, or their own
computer, thus implicating the property laws of some country* or place,
even if this tiny few refuses other legal structures like internet commerce
with its contracts and terms of service with Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, or
the like.  Even this tiny minority on the internet will still claim, very
likely, some kind of right to be free of basic denial of service attacks,
and so forth."

It seems the issue lies here. Implying legal right to ownership of physical
goods (especially is immovable) might be said to be inevitably tied with
the property laws of some country. But what about the legal rights to
ownership of intellectual property?

"there are always "background" laws from some country or jurisdiction that
structure transactions involving the internet."

I believe what Sonigitu, along with others in this list, is pointing out is
that the US Congress, when faced with the choice of whether to make US law
influence to a higher or lower degree the "transactions involving the
internet" in ways that will impact individuals wholly outside of the US
government's legitimate sphere of political power, usually opts for the
first option. And what arguably distinguishes it from the legislators in
other countries is that it takes much less, if any, consideration on how
its choice will affect people in other countries.

Ivar

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 17:12, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Sonigitu Ekpe <
> sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Daniel.
>>
>> The truth is that interest has over taken RESPECT of each other.
>>
>> The World would give us more than we currently have; if will could put
>> respect first.
>>
>> The US do have great interest; and WISH to control an orderly Global
>> Village.
>>
>> To me its time to set the Global Village with the rules and regulations
>> for a more respectful World Societies.
>>
>>
> This reminds me to bring us back to a prior discussion, where I showed
> (except to the satisfaction, it seems, of a couple posters on this list)
> that there are always "background" laws from some country or jurisdiction
> that structure transactions involving the internet.  No matter how
> dedicated a tiny minority might be in not using contracts (and thus the
> contract laws of some country or place) *they will still claim the legal
> right to the ownership of their own server, or their own computer, thus
> implicating the property laws of some country* or place, even if this
> tiny few refuses other legal structures like internet commerce with its
> contracts and terms of service with Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, or the like.
> Even this tiny minority on the internet will still claim, very likely, some
> kind of right to be free of basic denial of service attacks, and so forth.
>
>
> If there is to be any civilization on the internet, we need legal tools
> that go beyond the primitive tools like retaliation and social ostracism
> (not available for anonymous attacks) that are practiced in extremely rare,
> relatively law-free situations.
>
> *If we start out with a truly law-free system, people will rapidly
> develop a very large consensus that there needs to be a way to enforce
> promises (such as those in contracts) so that trust and reliance on the
> word of others can be promoted* -- this is very good for the economy
> among other things.    An extremely large consensus will rapidly form, for
> example, that when one buys something or says something, the thing one buys
> should work at a basic level, and the words spoken should not be a direct
> death threat.  This leads, respectively, to what's called the "implied
> warranty of merchantability" in contract law and certain criminal / libel
> laws (in common law countries) to protect the reasonable expectations of
> buyers and the reasonable expectations of those who wish to engage in free
> speech.  "Free speech" has never meant - to any serious thinker anyway -
> speech entirely devoid of all civility and respect, no matter how extreme.
>
> The key to all of this is a balance.  *There MUST BE some "structuring
> laws" like those I mention above, but they SHOULD BE as neutral a playing
> field as possible*.  What it seems we all want to avoid (but some confuse
> the issue by implicitly stating that this kind of abuse of power is *the
> ONLY thing* governments do) is prevent heavy-handed government control
> and over-structuring of the internet.   But just because we oppose heavy
> government censorship in China, for example, does not mean that ALL LAW is
> a bad thing.
>
> Law is, as I try to show in brief form above, *a necessity at some basic
> level*.  The question is only *who* the governments will be that will
> provide the necessary law (even if this law is chosen in an internet
> contract with a "choice of law" provision) - even if we have to create a
> new global democratic government system for the internet - and *whether *that
> law will be a type of neutral law facilitating the freedom, equality and
> protection of all, or whether it will be driven by special interests or for
> the advantage of certain public or private power brokers, whether they be
> business interests or governmental interests.
>
> Neutral laws can be imagined or derived from thought-experiments involving
> the idea of the "veil of ignorance."  That is, we imagine ourselves before
> birth, ignorant of whether we will be born rich or poor, healthy or ill,
> etc.   Not knowing our fate, we are not able to prefer any special
> interest.  Under these situations, we quickly develop very large majorities
> if not unanimity that all humans should be considered equal in certain
> basic respects, etc.  On a little more sophisticated level, we can also
> imagine similar neutral laws for the internet. *This "veil of ignorance"
> example can be used as one test of whether a given law is of the neutral,
> freedom-facilitating and equality-facilitating type,* or whether it is of
> the special interest/power broker type of interference that very few really
> support, both in the real world and in the "veil of ignorance."
>
> We ought not to engage in fantasies of "no law."   Those who do engage in
> such fantasies are either doomed to very primitive conditions of
> retaliation or ostracism when things go bad, and they simply don't "see"
> the invisible laws that continue to structure human interactions, whether
> they know it or not.  What we, I think, all want to do, is make sure we
> have a framework of neutral laws that facilitate the structures of freedom
> but at the same time also make sure that there are no, or very few, unjust
> laws.  Without law, it is the law of the jungle -- victory of the powerful
> over the weak -- that dominates, and it has been a number of centuries at
> least since a majority thought the law of the jungle was in any way just
> (if indeed a majority EVER has thought so).
>
> So I am not confused with those who rely too much on consensus, I will
> also add that in certain important cases we will also need not
> consensus-based decision-making but majority rule decision-making.   But
> here, there is such a thing as "the tyranny of the majority."  Majorities
> can oppress minorities.  To solve this democratic dilemma, we have
> developed TWO tiers of law.  First there is constitutional law - the most
> basic protections and rights - which mere majorities can not change (but
> usually large super-majorities can).  Second, there is "regular" law.    In
> all of the *situations where the tyranny of the majority danger is
> greatest, we protect freedom and equality with the high constitutional law
> *, so that temporary majorities don't take advantage of minorities (e.g.
> constitutional rights against race discrimination, etc).
>
> With all of the understandable anti-law or anti-US-hegemony talk on this
> list, I think it is important to understand that from the perspective of
> being behind the "veil of ignorance"  it can be seen that while reasonable
> people may disagree on the number of laws and sometimes on their content,
> there can be no *reasonable* assertion that the internet (as we know it)
> can exist WITHOUT law entirely.  So the question is *who* will make the
> laws and *for where*, and *what *their proper content should be.
>
> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>
> --
> Paul R Lehto, J.D.
> P.O. Box 1
> Ishpeming, MI  49849
> lehto.paul at gmail.com
> 906-204-4026 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From lehto.paul at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 18:18:00 2011
From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:18:00 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Ivar A. M. Hartmann <ivarhartmann at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Paul,
> I don't see how the argument you so extensively devoted yourself to make
> (and with which I agree) is pertinent to the issue pointed out by Sonigitu.
>

Fair enough. Sonigitu devoted a post to the idea of mutual respect.  From
"behind the veil of ignorance" where we do not know what circumstance we
will find ourselves in when we enter this world, we would inherently agree
upon mutual respect and equality norms.  So, here I am trying to tie my
post more directly to what Sonigitu said.

>
>
> It seems the issue lies here. Implying legal right to ownership of
> physical goods (especially is immovable) might be said to be inevitably
> tied with the property laws of some country. But what about the legal
> rights to ownership of intellectual property?
>

Intellectual property, being mobile pushes the envelope of international
law, in the name of preventing copycats in foreign countries.   Some
copying, as i see it, is legitimate (life-saving drugs) while some other
copying is not.

I believe what Sonigitu, along with others in this list, is pointing out is
> that the US Congress, when faced with the choice of whether to make US law
> influence to a higher or lower degree the "transactions involving the
> internet" in ways that will impact individuals wholly outside of the US
> government's legitimate sphere of political power, usually opts for the
> first option. And what arguably distinguishes it from the legislators in
> other countries is that it takes much less, if any, consideration on how
> its choice will affect people in other countries.
>

In legal terms you refer to US law being given "extraterritorial effect."
This is often abusive, but not always (what about crimes against a
country's own citizens, occurring abroad, where the foreign country does
nothing or where the defendant is present in the home country for purposes
of lawsuit? Most would support some narrow exceptions to the rule against
extraterritorial effect like this or some other roughly analogous
example.)   One should note that corporations, in their terms of service,
quite often give the laws of their chosen country extraterritorial effect.
More often than not, the terms may incorporate US law, but increasingly
they will choose some other country.  This creates an incentive for a
perverse kind of "competition" among countries to see who can set up the
most business-friendly court system and thereby, they hope, attract more
business investment.

But, Ivar, given the way you word the following, it is impossible to
disagree:  "[[...laws that] impact individuals *wholly outside* of the US
government's *legitimate* sphere of political power." (emphasis added)
The question is, what is the "legitimate" sphere?  Probably I would agree
with most or all examples anyone here might give.

As a US citizen, opposed to laws that impact individuals *wholly
outside*of the US government's
*legitimate* sphere of political power, I would only add that often times
it seems that the US government of the last decade or two has increasingly
ignored not just those outside its jurisdiction, but its own citizens as
well.  So, many of us in the USA can definitely relate to these
experiences!  :)

Paul Lehto, J.D.


> Ivar
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 17:12, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Sonigitu Ekpe <
>> sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Daniel.
>>>
>>> The truth is that interest has over taken RESPECT of each other.
>>>
>>> The World would give us more than we currently have; if will could put
>>> respect first.
>>>
>>> The US do have great interest; and WISH to control an orderly Global
>>> Village.
>>>
>>> To me its time to set the Global Village with the rules and regulations
>>> for a more respectful World Societies.
>>>
>>>
>> This reminds me to bring us back to a prior discussion, where I showed
>> (except to the satisfaction, it seems, of a couple posters on this list)
>> that there are always "background" laws from some country or jurisdiction
>> that structure transactions involving the internet.  No matter how
>> dedicated a tiny minority might be in not using contracts (and thus the
>> contract laws of some country or place) *they will still claim the legal
>> right to the ownership of their own server, or their own computer, thus
>> implicating the property laws of some country* or place, even if this
>> tiny few refuses other legal structures like internet commerce with its
>> contracts and terms of service with Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, or the like.
>> Even this tiny minority on the internet will still claim, very likely, some
>> kind of right to be free of basic denial of service attacks, and so forth.
>>
>>
>> If there is to be any civilization on the internet, we need legal tools
>> that go beyond the primitive tools like retaliation and social ostracism
>> (not available for anonymous attacks) that are practiced in extremely rare,
>> relatively law-free situations.
>>
>> *If we start out with a truly law-free system, people will rapidly
>> develop a very large consensus that there needs to be a way to enforce
>> promises (such as those in contracts) so that trust and reliance on the
>> word of others can be promoted* -- this is very good for the economy
>> among other things.    An extremely large consensus will rapidly form, for
>> example, that when one buys something or says something, the thing one buys
>> should work at a basic level, and the words spoken should not be a direct
>> death threat.  This leads, respectively, to what's called the "implied
>> warranty of merchantability" in contract law and certain criminal / libel
>> laws (in common law countries) to protect the reasonable expectations of
>> buyers and the reasonable expectations of those who wish to engage in free
>> speech.  "Free speech" has never meant - to any serious thinker anyway -
>> speech entirely devoid of all civility and respect, no matter how extreme.
>>
>> The key to all of this is a balance.  *There MUST BE some "structuring
>> laws" like those I mention above, but they SHOULD BE as neutral a
>> playing field as possible*.  What it seems we all want to avoid (but
>> some confuse the issue by implicitly stating that this kind of abuse of
>> power is *the ONLY thing* governments do) is prevent heavy-handed
>> government control and over-structuring of the internet.   But just because
>> we oppose heavy government censorship in China, for example, does not mean
>> that ALL LAW is a bad thing.
>>
>> Law is, as I try to show in brief form above, *a necessity at some basic
>> level*.  The question is only *who* the governments will be that will
>> provide the necessary law (even if this law is chosen in an internet
>> contract with a "choice of law" provision) - even if we have to create a
>> new global democratic government system for the internet - and *whether *that
>> law will be a type of neutral law facilitating the freedom, equality and
>> protection of all, or whether it will be driven by special interests or for
>> the advantage of certain public or private power brokers, whether they be
>> business interests or governmental interests.
>>
>> Neutral laws can be imagined or derived from thought-experiments
>> involving the idea of the "veil of ignorance."  That is, we imagine
>> ourselves before birth, ignorant of whether we will be born rich or poor,
>> healthy or ill, etc.   Not knowing our fate, we are not able to prefer any
>> special interest.  Under these situations, we quickly develop very large
>> majorities if not unanimity that all humans should be considered equal in
>> certain basic respects, etc.  On a little more sophisticated level, we can
>> also imagine similar neutral laws for the internet. *This "veil of
>> ignorance" example can be used as one test of whether a given law is of the
>> neutral, freedom-facilitating and equality-facilitating type,* or
>> whether it is of the special interest/power broker type of interference
>> that very few really support, both in the real world and in the "veil of
>> ignorance."
>>
>> We ought not to engage in fantasies of "no law."   Those who do engage in
>> such fantasies are either doomed to very primitive conditions of
>> retaliation or ostracism when things go bad, and they simply don't "see"
>> the invisible laws that continue to structure human interactions, whether
>> they know it or not.  What we, I think, all want to do, is make sure we
>> have a framework of neutral laws that facilitate the structures of freedom
>> but at the same time also make sure that there are no, or very few, unjust
>> laws.  Without law, it is the law of the jungle -- victory of the powerful
>> over the weak -- that dominates, and it has been a number of centuries at
>> least since a majority thought the law of the jungle was in any way just
>> (if indeed a majority EVER has thought so).
>>
>> So I am not confused with those who rely too much on consensus, I will
>> also add that in certain important cases we will also need not
>> consensus-based decision-making but majority rule decision-making.   But
>> here, there is such a thing as "the tyranny of the majority."  Majorities
>> can oppress minorities.  To solve this democratic dilemma, we have
>> developed TWO tiers of law.  First there is constitutional law - the most
>> basic protections and rights - which mere majorities can not change (but
>> usually large super-majorities can).  Second, there is "regular" law.    In
>> all of the *situations where the tyranny of the majority danger is
>> greatest, we protect freedom and equality with the high constitutional law
>> *, so that temporary majorities don't take advantage of minorities (e.g.
>> constitutional rights against race discrimination, etc).
>>
>> With all of the understandable anti-law or anti-US-hegemony talk on this
>> list, I think it is important to understand that from the perspective of
>> being behind the "veil of ignorance"  it can be seen that while reasonable
>> people may disagree on the number of laws and sometimes on their content,
>> there can be no *reasonable* assertion that the internet (as we know it)
>> can exist WITHOUT law entirely.  So the question is *who* will make the
>> laws and *for where*, and *what *their proper content should be.
>>
>> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>>
>> --
>> Paul R Lehto, J.D.
>> P.O. Box 1
>> Ishpeming, MI  49849
>> lehto.paul at gmail.com
>> 906-204-4026 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 15 02:43:57 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:43:57 +0500
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
Message-ID: <001701ccbafd$4f0372a0$ed0a57e0$@yahoo.com>

The European Union plans to distribute new software to help human rights
activists and dissidents in authoritarian regimes circumvent censorship.

"Enabling citizens of authoritarian countries to bypass surveillance and
censorship measures depends on two basic conditions: availability of
appropriate technologies (in particular software programs that can be
installed on one's desktop computer, laptop, smart-phone or other device)
and awareness, both of the techniques used by authoritarian regimes to spy
on citizens and censor their communications, and of the appropriate
counter-measures to use," explained the Commission.

For more detail
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222594/EU_to_give_secret_anti_censor
ship_software_to_human_rights_activists 

[IAS]    Who others would be using this application?

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From daniel at digsys.bg  Thu Dec 15 04:29:28 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:29:28 +0200
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:

> The European Union plans to distribute new software to help human rights activists and dissidents in authoritarian regimes circumvent censorship.
> 
[…]
> [IAS]    Who others would be using this application?
> 

Like US citizens, if SOPA and friends come into play?

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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Thu Dec 15 05:11:52 2011
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:11:52 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Hi
 
let me add one point here which seems to me is important. There is no academic work which comes out of the box. Every academic author uses material which was produced by other authors. The right to quote (free of charge) is part of the right to freedom of expresssion. The question in the Guttenberg case was that he did not mention the sources where he had his ideas from. If he would have giveb the exact sources, this would have been okay. Probably a critical evaluation of the PhD would have come to the conclusion that he has good quatations but no own ideas. But this is another story. The core of the case which led to the outcry in the German academic community was his "unethical behaviour". 
 
There are pieces of academic work where you can find more quotations than text written by the author him/herself. This can be a creative contribution to the global knowledge because it is hard work to find and combine all the good ideas available from numerous authors around the globe. If the author combines the quotations in a creative way this is okay. But it is the duty of the author to point to the source where he had a certain text from. 
 
This is my problem with Guttenbergs appointment. He has disqualified himself with his unethical behaviour. Civil society in rigid regimes fighting for civil rights and freedoms, get their legitimacy to a high degree from their "ethical approach" to do the "good things". The risk with Mr. Guttenbergs support is that with his lost credibility, he undemines also the credibility of the groups he wants to support. For a surpressive regime it is easy to argue if they combat their dissidends - which they label as "criminals" - that those people are inspired and supported by a guy who lost his job is as a result of "unethical behaviour" and has at home supported Internet blocking and surveillance. This could become very counterproductive for the Internet freedom activists in rigid regimes. 
 
Wolfgang
 

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Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Deirdre Williams
Gesendet: Mi 14.12.2011 20:42
An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jovan Kurbalija
Betreff: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property


Jovan and Norbert, 
Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a distinction between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has thought and written?
Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in fact it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much good at statistics. 
I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to make the point clearer.
Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership. Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.
Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a child:
"When gorse is out of blossom,"
(Its prickles bare of gold)
"Then kissing's out of fashion,"
Said country-folk of old.
Thank you CM Barker, and Google for knowing about it as well. What does our discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that gorse always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty. Honesty is the social Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail. Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy name for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign our society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if anything, to gain from the change.
Deirdre

On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:


	Deirdre,
	
	You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by the news that 85% of university students in the United States are involved in some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we invest in a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new educational paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes and effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still valid today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
	
	Regards, Jovan 
	

	On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: 

		This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason. 
		I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is still important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed. With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published, information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
		But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as it used to be?
		Deirdre
		
		
		On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
		

			> Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a
			> surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.
			
			
			Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
			question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
			instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
			and suitable person to fill this role:
			
			According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
			which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
			Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
			in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
			for its decisions".
			
			[1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
			
			Greetings,
			Norbert
			
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Thu Dec 15 05:43:32 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:43:32 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On 15.12.11 01:18, Paul Lehto wrote:
>
>     It seems the issue lies here. Implying legal right to ownership of
>     physical goods (especially is immovable) might be said to be
>     inevitably tied with the property laws of some country. But what
>     about the legal rights to ownership of intellectual property?
>
>
> Intellectual property, being mobile pushes the envelope of 
> international law, in the name of preventing copycats in foreign 
> countries.   Some copying, as i see it, is legitimate (life-saving 
> drugs) while some other copying is not.

Legitimate?

How legitimate it would be, if it causes loss of business for a major US 
corporation with strong lobby at the Government?

If you say it is legitimate, would the US permit import of these life 
saving drugs from some other country. Why not?


>
> But, Ivar, given the way you word the following, it is impossible to 
> disagree:  "[[...laws that] impact individuals *wholly outside* of the 
> US government's *legitimate* sphere of political power." (emphasis 
> added)   The question is, what is the "legitimate" sphere?  Probably I 
> would agree with most or all examples anyone here might give.
>

As I see it, SOPA is primarily impacting the US citizens. As it has 
happened before, the US Government will have to back off. The damage to 
the US reputation will be already done.

Remember the times, when Apple Computer introduced the first personal 
computers with the PowerPC G4 chip? That was the first mass produced 
microprocessor to pass the "gigaflop per second barrier", that put it in 
the "supercomputer" category, therefore subject to US export control and 
"dual use" regulations.
Who lost? Apple Computer, a respected US Corporation, because for few 
months, until the "law was adjusted" it was prohibited to sell these 
desktop computers outside the US.

Remember the "strong" cryptography madness? Where browsers produced in 
the US could not be exported if they had more than 40 bit ciphers.
Who lost? Millions of Internet users, who for lack of knowledge were 
exposed to weak cryptography. Also, US corporations, for lost business, 
because stronger cryptography was available everywhere at that time.

The same applies for cryptography/security enabled software in various 
operating systems, routers etc. These were prohibited  for shipment to 
anywhere outside the US. Even if it was pretty obvious that: algorithms 
were published and available and implemented everywhere, software was 
readily available from various other vendors that resided outside of the 
US, such as in Europe, that implemented the same or better security 
technology.
Only when sufficient number of US companies realized they are facing 
massive loss of market worldwide, did the US Government abandon this 
regulation.

You can only regulate something, if you understand it.


By the way, it is like allowing a person who does not know how to pilot, 
to sit at the cockpit of an airplane full of people. This is what we 
observe recently with all these regulations.

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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Thu Dec 15 06:00:45 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:00:45 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Norbert,

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

She is giving what seems to be some valid arguments in his favor.
>
> But I don't find what seems to me the key question, the one that I
> was referring to above (perhaps without descibing it in enough
> detail): Why was a person chosen who is burdened by (1) a rather fresh
> public scandal and who is (2) furthermore burdened by in the past
> having taken positions that are rather offensive to many of those
> activists for whom "part of Karl-Theodor’s role will be to reach out
> to those people, to ensure that their work gets the proper support
> and recognition.", and why was there not what I would consider a
> normal process of searching for a well-qualified and suitable person
> e.g. by means of a public job offer?


I cannot offer answers to questions (1) and (2) more than saying that
obviously Neelie Kroes considered the qualities and added value of
Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg advice - which is what he is going to do:
giving advice on the basis of, among others, contacts to relevant
people  -  out-weighted other considerations.


> If others agree that this is an important, so far unanswered
> question then maybe it should be pursued in a way that gives it
> at least a bit more weight than what from Mrs. Kroes' perspective
> is probably mainly a big noise of nearly-incomrehensible discontent.


For me the basic question is actually whether pursuing an answer
to this question - which remains your right to ask, of course - will
provide any added value to achieve the goals of this initiative which,
I tend to believe, are shared by many people as worthy.

Having said that, if this discussion needs to be pursued, it would
certainly help if it was kept at a level - in terms of form and substance -
that facilitates discussion. During the press conference, a German
journalist asked whether the appointment of zu Guttenberg meant
that the new policy of the EU with regards to China was that we
would now allow China to copy all of EU's intellectual property.

How is one supposed to react to that?


> > I would also like to stress that, as it is clear both in the press
> > release and in the blog post, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is an
> > *advisor*. He will not take decisions, which remain in the hands of
> > Neelie Kroes and, where appropriate, the College of European
> > Commissioners, other public authorities, the private sector and
> > other stakeholders.
>
> If I read Mrs Kroes' blog post correctly, Mr zu Guttenberg is
> intended to have a key role in the information flow from activists
> and experts an extremely important topic area (about which I
> personally care very much) into the EU's decision-making processes.
>

That is correct, although (a) the information flow will not only pass
via zu Guttenberg and (b) we need to be clear that the activists and the
experts are and will not be the only counterparts in this initiative. Which
is why it is important, in my view, to count on someone who can reach
out to people and environments which are not necessarily within the
reach (for practical and political reasons) of the European Commission.


> * Was the question of reputational risk for the Commission's efforts
>  "to promote internet freedom globally" adequately considered?
>

Yes.


> * Was the question of reputational risk for the experts to whom Mr
>  zu Guttenberg is intended to reach out adequately considered?
>

Yes, with the clarification above.


> * Is the overall process for filling important advisory positions, and
>  for deciding what kind of compensation is offered to prospective
>  advisors, adequate?
>

In our view yes, but I have a feeling this is not a question which you
want the European Commission to answer.

Best,

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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Thu Dec 15 06:15:11 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:15:11 +0100
Subject: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Wolfgang, all,

2011/12/15 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>


> This is my problem with Guttenbergs appointment. He has disqualified
> himself with his unethical behaviour. Civil society in rigid regimes
> fighting for civil rights and freedoms, get their legitimacy to a high
> degree from their "ethical approach" to do the "good things". The risk with
> Mr. Guttenbergs support is that with his lost credibility, he undemines
> also the credibility of the groups he wants to support. For a surpressive
> regime it is easy to argue if they combat their dissidends - which they
> label as "criminals" - that those people are inspired and supported by a
> guy who lost his job is as a result of "unethical behaviour" and has at
> home supported Internet blocking and surveillance. This could become very
> counterproductive for the Internet freedom activists in rigid regimes.


With respect, I find the notion that an authoritarian regime would use, as
an argument to clamp down on their citizens' rights and freedoms, the fact
that a European Commissioner has appointed advisor X rather advisor Y,
difficult to believe. Again, let us keep very clear in mind that zu
Guttenberg is an *advisor* and that the normal process of decision-making
in the European Commission, including via the support, information and
recommendations that the officers in the Directorate-General provide to the
Commissioner, does not change.

On the contrary, one might even argue that precisely the fact that such
advisor has been involved in discussions on very sensitive dossiers,
possibly taking positions which are not always in-line with what such
authoritarian regimes may describe as "freedom propaganda",  may even be a
political advantage when "engaging" with these regimes.

And quite frankly, the European Commission, as well as many other
democratic authorities in the EU and elsewhere, have "supported" what you
refer to as "Internet blocking and surveillance". I personally think - and
have stated so in public - that Internet blocking is not the right way to
solve the problems it is meant to solve, and that we should be much more
careful about the level of surveillance capabilities ICT comes embedded
with.

I also personally think that the same measures have a very different
impact, and should be differently evaluated, when they are implemented in
inperfect, but fundamentally democratic countries, and where they are
implemented in countries where speaking out your mind can get you shot.

But the bottom line is that again I do not believe that the nomination of
an advisor can possibly make a difference for an authoritarian regime which
wishes to use the "you do it at home, don't tell us not to do it here"
argument.

Anyway, I guess time will tell will prove one of us correct.

P.S.: just to be clear: the fact that I do not wish to discuss the whole
issue of plagiarism in this case does not automatically imply I support (or
not) such practice. I simply do not think it is relevant - but obviously,
and fully acceptably, we have different opinions on such relevance.

Best,

Andrea
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 06:16:29 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:16:29 +0500
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Sometimes the Universities and research centers struggle to innovate
or produce meaningful contributions to the human and scientific body
of knowledge. This compels and pressures students or researchers to
attempt dealing with research issues and defend what already exists
and only to struggle to find something new or innovative or argue for
issues that have been already contributed in one form or the other.

Plagiarism is also used as a form of political manipulation tool in
certain cases. I have seen this to be a common method of intellectual
abuse in Pakistan in order to protect nepotism and political
interference within certain higher education and research sectors.

We cannot undermine human potential using an educational system
originally designed to produce slaves of a capitalist and consumer
social environment. What are the tools to assess human capability have
always remained a great challenge for psychology and cognitive
studies.

In this case, if someone is deemed to be an advisor without and
decision making status, that person may only be surviving within the
system on analysis and ideas. Education and means of education remain
a privacy issue but this may seemingly not be the case here.

As far as I see, the EU Commission and the processes that run within
and around do not allow a single mind power and that's where this
issue and the pressures around tend to settle down. Public interest
and intervention should remain key to every policy matter and in the
broader interest of society, such an issue may only be an example of
prejudice. Let's move on!


-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by the
> news that 85% of university students in the United States are involved in
> some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we invest in
> a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new educational
> paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes and
> effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still valid
> today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
>
> Regards, Jovan
>
> On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>
> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism
> isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is still
> important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed. With the
> issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the existing.
> Does this carry with it the idea that, once published, information is
> "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was assured that the
> "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's intellectual
> property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as it
> used to be?
> Deirdre
>
> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>
>> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
>> > as a
>> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
>> > made.
>>
>> Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
>> and suitable person to fill this role:
>>
>> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 08:25:14 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:25:14 -0400
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
In-Reply-To: <001701ccbafd$4f0372a0$ed0a57e0$@yahoo.com>
References: <001701ccbafd$4f0372a0$ed0a57e0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN4XN8w_nDuaA4nL=VECp7sGux9+vSCGvSL-BKCyOLGkcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please help. The reporting of the 'Arab Spring' is confusing and sometimes
contradictory. Unarguably it happened and continues to happen.
Contradictory is the overwhelming credit given to technology for what
happened, while at the same time it is being reported that the technology
is being interfered with, blocked or just plain switched off.

Is the emphasis on technology simply dust thrown in the air to distract
onlookers from the tremendous power of the human will when focused towards
an objective? Do you remember the Rose revolution in Georgia and the Orange
revolution in the Ukraine? Those were attributed to mobile phones
(wonderful advertising for at least one company :-) ) Back then Facebook
was only just beginning.

It angers me when I hear reporters use the cliche, at the sites of
disasters, that people are digging, moving rubble 'with their bare hands'.
Human beings use the tools that are available to them. If there is no tool
they use their own bodies. The tool helps; it may help a great deal, but
without the tool the human will continue. Without the human the tool is
useless.

Kroes said that the Arab Spring had been the wake-up call to governments
around the world to recognize the power of the Internet, and social
networking in particular, in building freedom and democracy.

This is from the Computerworld article - thanks Imran.
Deirdre



On 15 December 2011 03:43, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The European Union plans to distribute new software to help human rights
> activists and dissidents in authoritarian regimes circumvent censorship.**
> **
>
> "Enabling citizens of authoritarian countries to bypass surveillance and
> censorship measures depends on two basic conditions: availability of
> appropriate technologies (in particular software programs that can be
> installed on one's desktop computer, laptop, smart-phone or other device)
> and awareness, both of the techniques used by authoritarian regimes to spy
> on citizens and censor their communications, and of the appropriate
> counter-measures to use," explained the Commission.****
>
> For more detail
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222594/EU_to_give_secret_anti_censorship_software_to_human_rights_activists
> ****
>
> [IAS]    Who others would be using this application?****
>
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From philippe.blanchard at me.com  Thu Dec 15 08:44:07 2011
From: philippe.blanchard at me.com (Philippe Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:44:07 +0100
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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THanks Imran for the article.

I wonder what the Commission is thinking when they publish such information. Are they trying to piggyback on the social media image ? Look techno-savvy ?
It will definitely backfire on the civil society and on human rights activists: if censors think that communication technology is not only dangerous for their dictatorship BUT also a Trojan Horse of Western countries, they will increase their pressure on the existing tools and block all communication platforms :-(

Ph
On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:

Please help. The reporting of the 'Arab Spring' is confusing and sometimes contradictory. Unarguably it happened and continues to happen. Contradictory is the overwhelming credit given to technology for what happened, while at the same time it is being reported that the technology is being interfered with, blocked or just plain switched off. 

Is the emphasis on technology simply dust thrown in the air to distract onlookers from the tremendous power of the human will when focused towards an objective? Do you remember the Rose revolution in Georgia and the Orange revolution in the Ukraine? Those were attributed to mobile phones (wonderful advertising for at least one company :-) ) Back then Facebook was only just beginning.

It angers me when I hear reporters use the cliche, at the sites of disasters, that people are digging, moving rubble 'with their bare hands'. Human beings use the tools that are available to them. If there is no tool they use their own bodies. The tool helps; it may help a great deal, but without the tool the human will continue. Without the human the tool is useless.

Kroes said that the Arab Spring had been the wake-up call to governments around the world to recognize the power of the Internet, and social networking in particular, in building freedom and democracy.

This is from the Computerworld article - thanks Imran.
Deirdre



On 15 December 2011 03:43, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
The European Union plans to distribute new software to help human rights activists and dissidents in authoritarian regimes circumvent censorship.

"Enabling citizens of authoritarian countries to bypass surveillance and censorship measures depends on two basic conditions: availability of appropriate technologies (in particular software programs that can be installed on one's desktop computer, laptop, smart-phone or other device) and awareness, both of the techniques used by authoritarian regimes to spy on citizens and censor their communications, and of the appropriate counter-measures to use," explained the Commission.

For more detail http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222594/EU_to_give_secret_anti_censorship_software_to_human_rights_activists

[IAS]    Who others would be using this application?


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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Thu Dec 15 09:16:12 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:16:12 +0100
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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Dear Deirdre,

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please help. The reporting of the 'Arab Spring' is confusing and sometimes
> contradictory. Unarguably it happened and continues to happen.
> Contradictory is the overwhelming credit given to technology for what
> happened, while at the same time it is being reported that the technology
> is being interfered with, blocked or just plain switched off.
>
> Is the emphasis on technology simply dust thrown in the air to distract
> onlookers from the tremendous power of the human will when focused towards
> an objective? Do you remember the Rose revolution in Georgia and the Orange
> revolution in the Ukraine? Those were attributed to mobile phones
> (wonderful advertising for at least one company :-) ) Back then Facebook
> was only just beginning.
>
> It angers me when I hear reporters use the cliche, at the sites of
> disasters, that people are digging, moving rubble 'with their bare hands'.
> Human beings use the tools that are available to them. If there is no tool
> they use their own bodies. The tool helps; it may help a great deal, but
> without the tool the human will continue. Without the human the tool is
> useless.
>
> Kroes said that the Arab Spring had been the wake-up call to governments
> around the world to recognize the power of the Internet, and social
> networking in particular, in building freedom and democracy.
>
> This is from the Computerworld article - thanks Imran.
> Deirdre
>

One thing that I learned while working at the European Commission, and
particularly since Monday morning :), is that one should not necessarily
believe that what is reported by a newspaper is 100% what has been said on
a particular topic.

If you look at the speech (
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/11/866&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en)
that
Neelie Kroes gave at the Ministerial Conference on Internet Freedom on
Friday 9 December, where she gave a first announcement of the "No
disconnect strategy", you will see passages such as:

"I have personally met many of those on the frontline: activists fighting
for democracy in their countries. And let me say, it was a refreshing and
often humbling experience. These are people, often young people, fighting
for the most basic rights you can think of. Sometimes risking their lives;
I met them on condition of anonymity, such are the dangers they face every
day. [...]


I acknowledge that the Internet and ICT are only part of the solution. [...]

To build a house with solid foundations, we also need the rule of law,
democratic governance, open and inclusive societies, competitive markets,
an independent media sector and economic growth.  [...]

Because, even with ICT, even with everyone connected, democracy would still
not magically spring from nowhere. [...]

These are the main strands of the policy we need to undertake –
technological tools, education, intelligence, and cooperation. [...]"

Similar concepts were expressed during the press conference on Monday.

On the basis of the above passages and (for what it is worth) of the words
of a Commission officer who has been and is very closely involved in this
initiative (that would be me - but I don't want to give the impression I'm
doing this alone, as several colleagues have been and are working on this),
I hope you can rest assured that human beings remain the central concern
and basis of our action. ICT can and should be a tool to empower them to
achieve what we sometimes take for granted in democratic states.

Best,

Andrea
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Thu Dec 15 09:22:39 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:22:39 +0100
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
In-Reply-To: <D53B6586-FABA-46D3-AD25-32111AA1012F@me.com>
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Dear Philippe,

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Philippe Blanchard <
philippe.blanchard at me.com> wrote:

> THanks Imran for the article.
>
> I wonder what the Commission is thinking when they publish such
> information. Are they trying to piggyback on the social media image ? Look
> techno-savvy ?
> It will definitely backfire on the civil society and on human rights
> activists: if censors think that communication technology is not only
> dangerous for their dictatorship BUT also a Trojan Horse of Western
> countries, they will increase their pressure on the existing tools and
> block all communication platforms :-(
>

First of all, you will appreciate it is not the European Commission which
published the information Imran referred to - it comes from an independent
newspapers and the Commission has no power over its editorial choices.

Secondly, no, we are not trying to "piggyback on the social media image".
We are trying to use ICT, including social media, in ways that prove to be
socially beneficial. We are always eager to listen to comments and even
criticisms on whether the way we are doing / planning to do so is helpful
or not; it would be useful, however, if our motives were not always
double-guessed and if people did not always assume we have some hidden goal
behind our actions.

Thirdly, I frankly doubt that censors need the European Commission to tell
them that ICT can be dangerous for their dictatorships (some ICT can
apparently be very beneficial, too..). I think they have understood it by
themselves long ago.

Fourthly and last (but not least) you will appreciate that Neelie Kroes,
notwithstanding the questions that were raised both during the press
conference and afterwards, said very clearly she would not go into the
details of this initiative, exactly because we are not keen on giving an
early warning to authoritarian regimes to clamp down on any particular
group / technology / etc.

I hope this clarifies. I want nonetheless to stress that we are very much
looking forward to ideas on how we can have the maximum long-term positive
impact in this area.

Best,

Andrea
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 10:01:51 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:01:51 -0400
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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References: <001701ccbafd$4f0372a0$ed0a57e0$@yahoo.com> <CAMz5XN4XN8w_nDuaA4nL=VECp7sGux9+vSCGvSL-BKCyOLGkcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Andrea,
Thank you for a lesson in being more careful about what I write, and
particularly about how I choose quotations.
In fact although both replies were triggered by the article that Imran
shared with us, neither was intended as a direct comment on either the
European Commission or Commissioner Kroes. This time my attention was
attracted by the words "the power of the Internet, and social networking in
particular, in building freedom and democracy" - I should have isolated
them from their paragraph.

However I am very glad that you replied, because in your reply the people
themselves get the attention they deserve which is more often concentrated
on the technology.
Best wishes
Deirdre

On 15 December 2011 10:16, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:

> Dear Deirdre,
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Deirdre Williams <
> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please help. The reporting of the 'Arab Spring' is confusing and
>> sometimes contradictory. Unarguably it happened and continues to happen.
>> Contradictory is the overwhelming credit given to technology for what
>> happened, while at the same time it is being reported that the technology
>> is being interfered with, blocked or just plain switched off.
>>
>> Is the emphasis on technology simply dust thrown in the air to distract
>> onlookers from the tremendous power of the human will when focused towards
>> an objective? Do you remember the Rose revolution in Georgia and the Orange
>> revolution in the Ukraine? Those were attributed to mobile phones
>> (wonderful advertising for at least one company :-) ) Back then Facebook
>> was only just beginning.
>>
>> It angers me when I hear reporters use the cliche, at the sites of
>> disasters, that people are digging, moving rubble 'with their bare hands'.
>> Human beings use the tools that are available to them. If there is no tool
>> they use their own bodies. The tool helps; it may help a great deal, but
>> without the tool the human will continue. Without the human the tool is
>> useless.
>>
>> Kroes said that the Arab Spring had been the wake-up call to governments
>> around the world to recognize the power of the Internet, and social
>> networking in particular, in building freedom and democracy.
>>
>> This is from the Computerworld article - thanks Imran.
>> Deirdre
>>
>
> One thing that I learned while working at the European Commission, and
> particularly since Monday morning :), is that one should not necessarily
> believe that what is reported by a newspaper is 100% what has been said on
> a particular topic.
>
> If you look at the speech (
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=SPEECH/11/866&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en) that
> Neelie Kroes gave at the Ministerial Conference on Internet Freedom on
> Friday 9 December, where she gave a first announcement of the "No
> disconnect strategy", you will see passages such as:
>
> "I have personally met many of those on the frontline: activists fighting
> for democracy in their countries. And let me say, it was a refreshing and
> often humbling experience. These are people, often young people, fighting
> for the most basic rights you can think of. Sometimes risking their lives;
> I met them on condition of anonymity, such are the dangers they face every
> day. [...]
>
>
> I acknowledge that the Internet and ICT are only part of the solution.
> [...]
>
> To build a house with solid foundations, we also need the rule of law,
> democratic governance, open and inclusive societies, competitive markets,
> an independent media sector and economic growth.  [...]
>
> Because, even with ICT, even with everyone connected, democracy would
> still not magically spring from nowhere. [...]
>
> These are the main strands of the policy we need to undertake –
> technological tools, education, intelligence, and cooperation. [...]"
>
> Similar concepts were expressed during the press conference on Monday.
>
> On the basis of the above passages and (for what it is worth) of the words
> of a Commission officer who has been and is very closely involved in this
> initiative (that would be me - but I don't want to give the impression I'm
> doing this alone, as several colleagues have been and are working on this),
> I hope you can rest assured that human beings remain the central concern
> and basis of our action. ICT can and should be a tool to empower them to
> achieve what we sometimes take for granted in democratic states.
>
> Best,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
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From lehto.paul at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 10:17:51 2011
From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:17:51 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

>
>
> On 15.12.11 01:18, Paul Lehto wrote:
>
> Some copying, as i see it, is legitimate (life-saving drugs) while some
> other copying is not.
>
>
> Legitimate?
>
> How legitimate it would be, if it causes loss of business for a major US
> corporation with strong lobby at the Government?
>

Fairly legitimate.  To claim this as a "loss" is to assume that US patent
laws for drugs should have worldwide reach absent an appropriate treaty
(i.e. "extraterritorial effect").   Balancing saving lives against
extraterritorial effect and additional profit, that's where I come down on
the issue.  I hope this is OK.   ;)

>
> If you say it is legitimate, would the US permit import of these life
> saving drugs from some other country. Why not?
>

As you suggest the pharmaceutical lobby is extremely powerful - in the USA,
especially.  We hear all the time rhetoric about the efficiency and wonder
of worldwide competition, with the glaring exception of drugs.  With drugs,
even Canadian sources are considered possibly dangerous, when it's hardly
different from the USA in this regard.

You suggest further down (and I'm saving my time and others' time by not
responding in detail) that the writers of regulations seem like they don't
know how to fly the airplane, and so they should not get in the cockpit.
As to purely technical matters, you would have a point - except that it is
also necessary for technical experts to testify in legislatures and
parliaments to inform the process.

You may not be considering the possibility in some cases that the writers
of regulations DO know how to fly the airplane, but that they are guided by
different stars for navigation than you are.  Often times when you get
behind the text of a regulation, there is method to the seeming madness.
OF COURSE, there's also lots of examples of ignorance and incompetence.
But it often occurs that big business will (quietly) get behind a
regulation that is burdensome on the whole, because the big business can
spread the costs of that regulation over a large operation, while small
businesses can not, and are thus hurt more by it.  This helps to weaken the
competition for the big business.  So when you see a "stupid" government
regulation, one should not assume that it is always ignorance and not
knowing how to fly the airplane that is going on.

*I guarantee you that pharmaceutical lobbyists know how to fly the airplane
of government VERY well indeed.*  Their flight patterns can easily look
crazy to many "common sense" perspectives because we don't have all the
information about the special interest agenda and motivations of big pharma
companies.  So, in looking at a "crazy" regulation you might assume is
based on ignorance, you may in fact be looking at a well-crafted piece of
legislation, *but one that serves a private special interest rather than
serving the public interest* as it should.

Paul Lehto, J.D.

>
>
> Paul R Lehto, J.D.
P.O. Box 1
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From b.schombe at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 10:19:42 2011
From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:19:42 +0100
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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Hello all, congratulations Imran,
Since the beginning of this exchange, I have closely followed the various
discussions on this issue.
I can raise here the focus on the provision made by the European Union. In the
African reality today, it may be unthinkable. This shows well that digital
technology has no borders and we are all exposed to the same risks. It is
necessary to recognize the European Union is there to score a
véritbale challenge
and recognize the importance of stakeholders in the process of building a
true information society. There are no large and small citizens in other
words all cultures are equal regardless of the size of states.


SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN

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2011/12/15 Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>

> The European Union plans to distribute new software to help human rights
> activists and dissidents in authoritarian regimes circumvent censorship.**
> **
>
> "Enabling citizens of authoritarian countries to bypass surveillance and
> censorship measures depends on two basic conditions: availability of
> appropriate technologies (in particular software programs that can be
> installed on one's desktop computer, laptop, smart-phone or other device)
> and awareness, both of the techniques used by authoritarian regimes to spy
> on citizens and censor their communications, and of the appropriate
> counter-measures to use," explained the Commission.****
>
> For more detail
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222594/EU_to_give_secret_anti_censorship_software_to_human_rights_activists
> ****
>
> [IAS]    Who others would be using this application?****
>
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Thu Dec 15 10:37:54 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:37:54 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Paul Lehto wrote:
> 
> I guarantee you that pharmaceutical lobbyists know how to fly the airplane of government VERY well indeed.  

Well, Paul. I do agree with your arguments and they are valid. About the only problem I have is the fine print you added here --- how to fly the Government. Yes, they do! Which was my point, precisely. :) 

But "we" are not the Governments. We are the people, who have elected those Governments and entitled them to care for us.

So question is, do those companies know how to fly the airplane of the ordinary people?
Also, do the Governments that fly on those corporation's places really know anymore what they need to do to fly the plane with "us"?
Typically, most passengers in a plane are not pilots….

I for one, would prefer to see situation, where the Governments pilot the plane that carries the Corporations.

The point go "common sense" is that it is.. common. That is, everyone understands it. Just like respect.

Daniel

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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Thu Dec 15 10:46:39 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:46:39 +0100
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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Dear Deirdre,

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Andrea,
> Thank you for a lesson in being more careful about what I write, and
> particularly about how I choose quotations.
> In fact although both replies were triggered by the article that Imran
> shared with us, neither was intended as a direct comment on either the
> European Commission or Commissioner Kroes. This time my attention was
> attracted by the words "the power of the Internet, and social networking
> in particular, in building freedom and democracy" - I should have
> isolated them from their paragraph.
>
> However I am very glad that you replied, because in your reply the people
> themselves get the attention they deserve which is more often concentrated
> on the technology.
> Best wishes
> Deirdre
>

Please be assured that it is not my intention to give lessons to anyone. I
am not a native English speaker and therefore I may not always manage to
choose the correct words and tone to ensure that what is meant to be a
factual response does not become an arrogant one. (But I am also told by my
family that I tend to be very "professor-like" when I speak to them in my
own native tongue :).

Jokes aside,  please do take everything I say here as a sincere request for
constructive discussions. We are not, nor do we consider ourselves to be,
holders of the one and only truth, either in this field or in others (we
may have strong opinions, but that's a different matter I guess). We need
all the good ideas that can come up from all stakeholders, whether they are
channeled through the newly-nominated advisor of Neelie Kroes or via other
means.

Best regards,

Andrea
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 11:08:51 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:08:51 -0400
Subject: [governance] Anti-Censorship software from EU for Activists
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Dear Andrea - my thank you was intended literally. I was really grateful
for the reminder :-)
Deirdre

On 15 December 2011 11:46, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:

> Dear Deirdre,
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Deirdre Williams <
> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Andrea,
>> Thank you for a lesson in being more careful about what I write, and
>> particularly about how I choose quotations.
>> In fact although both replies were triggered by the article that Imran
>> shared with us, neither was intended as a direct comment on either the
>> European Commission or Commissioner Kroes. This time my attention was
>> attracted by the words "the power of the Internet, and social networking
>> in particular, in building freedom and democracy" - I should have
>> isolated them from their paragraph.
>>
>> However I am very glad that you replied, because in your reply the people
>> themselves get the attention they deserve which is more often concentrated
>> on the technology.
>> Best wishes
>> Deirdre
>>
>
> Please be assured that it is not my intention to give lessons to anyone. I
> am not a native English speaker and therefore I may not always manage to
> choose the correct words and tone to ensure that what is meant to be a
> factual response does not become an arrogant one. (But I am also told by my
> family that I tend to be very "professor-like" when I speak to them in my
> own native tongue :).
>
> Jokes aside,  please do take everything I say here as a sincere request
> for constructive discussions. We are not, nor do we consider ourselves to
> be, holders of the one and only truth, either in this field or in others
> (we may have strong opinions, but that's a different matter I guess). We
> need all the good ideas that can come up from all stakeholders, whether
> they are channeled through the newly-nominated advisor of Neelie Kroes or
> via other means.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Andrea
>
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-- 
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From lehto.paul at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 11:20:27 2011
From: lehto.paul at gmail.com (Paul Lehto)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:20:27 -0500
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Paul Lehto wrote:
>
>
> *I guarantee you that pharmaceutical lobbyists know how to fly the
> airplane of government VERY well indeed.*
>
>
> Well, Paul. I do agree with your arguments and they are valid. About the
> only problem I have is the fine print you added here --- how to fly the
> Government. Yes, they do! Which was my point, precisely. :)
>
> But "we" are not the Governments. We are the people, who have elected
> those Governments and entitled them to care for us.  [snip]
>
> I for one, would prefer to see situation, where the Governments pilot the
> plane that carries the Corporations.
>
> The point go "common sense" is that it is.. common. That is, everyone
> understands it. Just like respect.
>

Now I understand your perspective better, and I agree with it. It strikes
me as a democratic perspective at heart.

The plane of democracy has been hijacked, and all I'm saying is don't blame
the flight patterns on Democracy when the hijackers control the plane of
Democracy. The hijackers are special interests that don't consider the
common interest or common sense, as you express it.

The special interest is a fatal flaw or serious challenge to achieving
common sense.  At the very heart of the idea of gathering "stakeholders" is
the notion of a stake - an interest of some kind in the process.  By
gathering only the stakeholders, the only people at the table, by and
large, are those with a special interest of some kind in the outcome,
sometimes with token "public interest" representatives.   But, by gathering
only or primarily those with a "stake" in the outcome, one is tending
strongly only to gather those with special interests in the outcome.

The writers and thinkers I admire all identify *disinterestedness* as a
critical factor for good government and good policy.  *But a truly
disinterested person doesn't really have a "stake" in the outcome,* in the
usual ways we understand what a "stake" is.

*By gathering only those with a special interest stake in the outcome,
internet governance by stakeholder processes works to nearly guarantee, for
structural reasons, that the common interest or common sense you talk about
is NOT achieved as an outcome. *  The one area of exception appears to be
technical questions where often there is a single right or best answer. In
those areas, a stakeholder process might work and can be "trusted" not to
make special interest value choices along the way.  Outside technical
areas, where value choices must be made, the stakeholder structure will
help strongly to defeat common sense every single time, because all or
nearly all of the players are there for themselves,  and not to vindicate
the public interest or the common person.

Paul Lehto, J.D.
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From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu  Thu Dec 15 11:46:51 2011
From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:46:51 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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 >  Civil society in rigid regimes fighting for civil rights and  
freedoms, get their legitimacy to a high degree from their "ethical  
approach" to do the "good things" . . .

+1

CW


On 15 Dec 2011, at 11:11, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:

> Hi
>
> let me add one point here which seems to me is important. There is  
> no academic work which comes out of the box. Every academic author  
> uses material which was produced by other authors. The right to  
> quote (free of charge) is part of the right to freedom of  
> expresssion. The question in the Guttenberg case was that he did not  
> mention the sources where he had his ideas from. If he would have  
> giveb the exact sources, this would have been okay. Probably a  
> critical evaluation of the PhD would have come to the conclusion  
> that he has good quatations but no own ideas. But this is another  
> story. The core of the case which led to the outcry in the German  
> academic community was his "unethical behaviour".
>
> There are pieces of academic work where you can find more quotations  
> than text written by the author him/herself. This can be a creative  
> contribution to the global knowledge because it is hard work to find  
> and combine all the good ideas available from numerous authors  
> around the globe. If the author combines the quotations in a  
> creative way this is okay. But it is the duty of the author to point  
> to the source where he had a certain text from.
>
> This is my problem with Guttenbergs appointment. He has disqualified  
> himself with his unethical behavior. Civil society in rigid regimes  
> fighting for civil rights and freedoms, get their legitimacy to a  
> high degree from their "ethical approach" to do the "good things".  
> The risk with Mr. Guttenbergs support is that with his lost  
> credibility, he undemines also the credibility of the groups he  
> wants to support. For a surpressive regime it is easy to argue if  
> they combat their dissidends - which they label as "criminals" -  
> that those people are inspired and supported by a guy who lost his  
> job is as a result of "unethical behaviour" and has at home  
> supported Internet blocking and surveillance. This could become very  
> counterproductive for the Internet freedom activists in rigid regimes.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 14:49:49 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:49:49 +0300
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On 12/15/11, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:
>>
>> But "we" are not the Governments. We are the people, who have elected
>> those Governments and entitled them to care for us.  [snip]
>>
>> I for one, would prefer to see situation, where the Governments pilot the
>> plane that carries the Corporations.
>>
>> The point go "common sense" is that it is.. common. That is, everyone
>> understands it. Just like respect.
>>
>
> Now I understand your perspective better, and I agree with it. It strikes
> me as a democratic perspective at heart.
>
> The plane of democracy has been hijacked, and all I'm saying is don't blame
> the flight patterns on Democracy when the hijackers control the plane of
> Democracy. The hijackers are special interests that don't consider the
> common interest or common sense, as you express it.
>
> The special interest is a fatal flaw or serious challenge to achieving
> common sense.  At the very heart of the idea of gathering "stakeholders" is
> the notion of a stake - an interest of some kind in the process.  By
> gathering only the stakeholders, the only people at the table, by and
> large, are those with a special interest of some kind in the outcome,
> sometimes with token "public interest" representatives.   But, by gathering
> only or primarily those with a "stake" in the outcome, one is tending
> strongly only to gather those with special interests in the outcome.
>

In the traditional IG processes that have served us well for many
decades the "special interest has been overwhelmingly the development
of the network.


> The writers and thinkers I admire all identify *disinterestedness* as a
> critical factor for good government and good policy.  *But a truly
> disinterested person doesn't really have a "stake" in the outcome,* in the
> usual ways we understand what a "stake" is.
>
> *By gathering only those with a special interest stake in the outcome,
> internet governance by stakeholder processes works to nearly guarantee, for
> structural reasons, that the common interest or common sense you talk about
> is NOT achieved as an outcome. *

There is far less rent-seeking in IG processes than in our current
governmental processes.


The one area of exception appears to be
> technical questions where often there is a single right or best answer.

The one area where I disagree with Daniel is that there is usually NOT
a clear single "best" answer in Internet technical policy making.

In
> those areas, a stakeholder process might work and can be "trusted" not to
> make special interest value choices along the way.  Outside technical
> areas, where value choices must be made, the stakeholder structure will
> help strongly to defeat common sense every single time, because all or
> nearly all of the players are there for themselves,  and not to vindicate
> the public interest or the common person.

If this is the case, then it is a miracle that the Internet has gotten
to the point it has.  I generally don't believe in miracles.

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McTim
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From lehto.paul at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 15:06:27 2011
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the traditional IG processes that have served us well for many
> decades the "special interest has been overwhelmingly the development
> of the network.
> [snip]
> There is far less rent-seeking in IG processes than in our current
> governmental processes.
> [snip]
> > those areas, a stakeholder process might work and can be "trusted" not to
> > make special interest value choices along the way.  Outside technical
> > areas, where value choices must be made, the stakeholder structure will
> > help strongly to defeat common sense every single time, because all or
> > nearly all of the players are there for themselves,  and not to vindicate
> > the public interest or the common person.
>
> If this is the case, then it is a miracle that the Internet has gotten
> to the point it has.  I generally don't believe in miracles.
>
> In the times of infancy of a system such as the internet, the vast
majority of decisions regarding things along the lines of foundational
structures are things even special interests can agree on (recall, if you
read it, what I said about huge consensuses concerning certain basic
propositions from "behind the veil of ignorance" and just apply that to
certain basic actions in internet-development).

But now we are into later phases in most places (not in infancy) and
special interest politics will increasingly rear its ugly head.

But in any case, your presumption of harmony with special interests up to
this point is highly exaggerated, unless you've been somewhat sleeping
through all the debates and controversies about internet governance these
last years.

Paul Lehto, J.D.

> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>



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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Thu Dec 15 16:48:03 2011
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:48:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Dear All

i cannot but subscribe to all the arguments Wolfgang is presenting in his comments. Thanks to him for having given such a substance to my initial message. For all the mentioned reasons -also in former mails- Guttengerg is NOT the mediator European CS and "European Values" deserve.

Once again -and sorry for Andrea- Mrs Kroes did a very big mistake and discredited the work done so far by the European bodies, i.a. the European Parliament. I do hope she will be informed about our discussion. 

Best

Jean-Louis Fullsack 




> Message du 15/12/11 11:19
> De : ""Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"" 
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Deirdre Williams" , governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Jovan Kurbalija" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
> 
> Hi
> 
> let me add one point here which seems to me is important. There is no academic work which comes out of the box. Every academic author uses material which was produced by other authors. The right to quote (free of charge) is part of the right to freedom of expresssion. The question in the Guttenberg case was that he did not mention the sources where he had his ideas from. If he would have giveb the exact sources, this would have been okay. Probably a critical evaluation of the PhD would have come to the conclusion that he has good quatations but no own ideas. But this is another story. The core of the case which led to the outcry in the German academic community was his "unethical behaviour". 
> 
> There are pieces of academic work where you can find more quotations than text written by the author him/herself. This can be a creative contribution to the global knowledge because it is hard work to find and combine all the good ideas available from numerous authors around the globe. If the author combines the quotations in a creative way this is okay. But it is the duty of the author to point to the source where he had a certain text from. 
> 
> This is my problem with Guttenbergs appointment. He has disqualified himself with his unethical behaviour. Civil society in rigid regimes fighting for civil rights and freedoms, get their legitimacy to a high degree from their "ethical approach" to do the "good things". The risk with Mr. Guttenbergs support is that with his lost credibility, he undemines also the credibility of the groups he wants to support. For a surpressive regime it is easy to argue if they combat their dissidends - which they label as "criminals" - that those people are inspired and supported by a guy who lost his job is as a result of "unethical behaviour" and has at home supported Internet blocking and surveillance. This could become very counterproductive for the Internet freedom activists in rigid regimes. 
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Deirdre Williams
> Gesendet: Mi 14.12.2011 20:42
> An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jovan Kurbalija
> Betreff: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
> 
> 
> Jovan and Norbert, 
> Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a distinction between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has thought and written?
> Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in fact it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much good at statistics. 
> I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to make the point clearer.
> Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership. Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.
> Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a child:
> "When gorse is out of blossom,"
> (Its prickles bare of gold)
> "Then kissing's out of fashion,"
> Said country-folk of old.
> Thank you CM Barker, and Google for knowing about it as well. What does our discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that gorse always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty. Honesty is the social Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail. Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy name for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign our society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if anything, to gain from the change.
> Deirdre
> 
> On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija wrote:
> 
> 
> Deirdre,
> 
> You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by the news that 85% of university students in the United States are involved in some sort of plagiarism. Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we invest in a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new educational paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes and effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still valid today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
> 
> Regards, Jovan 
> 
> 
> On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: 
> 
> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason. 
> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is still important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed. With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published, information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as it used to be?
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> 
> 
> > Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a
> > surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.
> 
> 
> Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
> and suitable person to fill this role:
> 
> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
> for its decisions".
> 
> [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
> 
> Greetings,
> Norbert
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 22:50:20 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:50:20 +0300
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On 12/15/11, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the traditional IG processes that have served us well for many
>> decades the "special interest has been overwhelmingly the development
>> of the network.
>> [snip]
>> There is far less rent-seeking in IG processes than in our current
>> governmental processes.
>> [snip]
>> > those areas, a stakeholder process might work and can be "trusted" not
>> > to
>> > make special interest value choices along the way.  Outside technical
>> > areas, where value choices must be made, the stakeholder structure will
>> > help strongly to defeat common sense every single time, because all or
>> > nearly all of the players are there for themselves,  and not to
>> > vindicate
>> > the public interest or the common person.
>>
>> If this is the case, then it is a miracle that the Internet has gotten
>> to the point it has.  I generally don't believe in miracles.
>>
>> In the times of infancy of a system such as the internet, the vast
> majority of decisions regarding things along the lines of foundational
> structures are things even special interests can agree on (recall, if you
> read it, what I said about huge consensuses concerning certain basic
> propositions from "behind the veil of ignorance" and just apply that to
> certain basic actions in internet-development).
>
> But now we are into later phases in most places (not in infancy) and
> special interest politics will increasingly rear its ugly head.
>
> But in any case, your presumption of harmony with special interests up to
> this point is highly exaggerated, unless you've been somewhat sleeping
> through all the debates and controversies about internet governance these
> last years.


Here is  case that describes what I was talking about.

People act in the best interests of the Net, despite it being against
their "special interests":

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/04411817008/paul-vixie-sopapipa-would-be-good-my-business-im-still-against-it.shtml

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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Fri Dec 16 01:41:01 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:41:01 +0100
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Dear Jean-Louis,

On Thursday, December 15, 2011, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr>
wrote:
> Dear All
>
> i cannot but subscribe to all the arguments Wolfgang is presenting in his
comments. Thanks to him for having given such a substance to my initial
message. For all the mentioned reasons -also in former mails- Guttengerg is
NOT the mediator European CS and "European Values" deserve.
>
> Once again -and sorry for Andrea- Mrs Kroes did a very big mistake and
discredited the work done so far by the European bodies, i.a. the European
Parliament. I do hope she will be informed about our discussion.

You don't need to be sorry for me (but thanks for the thought :). I am
still unconvinced by the arguments I heard, which I personally think are
based on an understanding of the political priorities and constraints we
are facing (and of the role of zu Guttenberg, who is not a spokesperson nor
certainly a "mediator" in the sense I would normally give to the term) that
simply do not correspond to reality.

I am also deeply unconvinced about the rather romantic depiction of "civil
society" in authoritarian regimes made by Wolfgang and others. Those
activists and citizens whom I met (with Neelie Kroes or alone) ranged from
very romantic types indeed, to people who would have made Machiavelli take
notes. (Needless to say, being the cynical black soul of a eurocrat I am, I
personally connected much better with the latter ones :).

But in the end it is not my opinion that counts.

Vice-President Kroes will certainly be informed of the exchanges, although
I am afraid I am not enough of a poet to properly convey the level of
indignation and grief I heard from some of you (yes, I *am* being a tiny
wee sarcastic here :).

Again, I encourage you to contact Neelie Kroes if you want to let her know
something, but let me friendly remind you: the time and attention of a
European Commissioner, like any other person in a similar office, is a
(very) scarce resource. It is your choice on what you want such time and
attention to be focused: on decisions already taken, or on those yet to
take.

Best,

Andrea
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Fri Dec 16 02:39:50 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:39:50 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:49 PM, McTim wrote:

> On 12/15/11, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The one area of exception appears to be
>> technical questions where often there is a single right or best answer.
> 
> The one area where I disagree with Daniel is that there is usually NOT
> a clear single "best" answer in Internet technical policy making.


You were faster than me to comment on this. This has never been my position. I for one, do not believe there is only 'one true' technical solution. One good thing abut the Internet "standards" as opposed to Government assisted standards is that Internet standards recognize and allow for many different concepts to co-exist. 

This is yet another unique feature of Internet -- we haven't touched it so far. It relates to the survivability of the Internet and encourages the parallel design and implementation of wildly different technologies and processes that "achieve about the same thing" -- end to end, unrestricted communication. 

This is why I particularly do not understand the concerns of Paul, that some corporation can come to 'own' or 'control' the Internet. They would be able to do this only if everything in the Internet is unified, same platform, same controls etc --- something that is unlikely to be even possible.

Daniel
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Fri Dec 16 02:53:24 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:53:24 +0200
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:50 AM, McTim wrote:

> On 12/15/11, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In the traditional IG processes that have served us well for many
>>> decades the "special interest has been overwhelmingly the development
>>> of the network.
>>> [snip]
>>> There is far less rent-seeking in IG processes than in our current
>>> governmental processes.
>>> [snip]
>> 
>> But now we are into later phases in most places (not in infancy) and
>> special interest politics will increasingly rear its ugly head.
>> 
>> But in any case, your presumption of harmony with special interests up to
>> this point is highly exaggerated, unless you've been somewhat sleeping
>> through all the debates and controversies about internet governance these
>> last years.
> 
> 
> Here is  case that describes what I was talking about.
> 
> People act in the best interests of the Net, despite it being against
> their "special interests":
> 
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111208/04411817008/paul-vixie-sopapipa-would-be-good-my-business-im-still-against-it.shtml


Unfortunately, both of you are correct in your statements. You just look it up from different perspective.

I have seen enough of rent-seeking from "prominent" Internet "experts" (rather, self-proclaimed, but who except those who have watched them very closely could even imagine that??? :)). These people typically follow their own agenda, in which "the Internet" is just a tool they use for .. whatever gains.

Yet, there is the other type of people, like those that McTim refers to, who often make decisions contrary to their "special interests" (by the way, it is mostly US concept that you need to make money at any cost). Those people built the Internet. Those people kept, keep today and will continue to keep it all together in the future.
These people are unique in a way, because they are not only very deep into technology, capable of inventing things and code their ideas in software, but they also are social enough, can see "trough the peoples image deep in their soul" and therefore are very, very hard to be confused to deluded by some con artist.

These people are not very many, but they don't need to be. They have their very special interests --- the Internet.
They will use any tools available to see their special interests are met. And, they have been successful for these 20++ years, because they to posses unique qualities.

As I commented in earlier threads, none of these people work for Governments. Or if they do, it is on a contractual basis, as isolated as possible. This is, I believe because this kind of people do not tolerate politics.
Politics to not be confused with policy.


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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Fri Dec 16 04:21:07 2011
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:21:07 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Andrea:
 
I am also deeply unconvinced about the rather romantic depiction of "civil society" in authoritarian regimes made by Wolfgang and others. Those activists and citizens whom I met (with Neelie Kroes or alone) ranged from very romantic types indeed, to people who would have made Machiavelli take notes. (Needless to say, being the cynical black soul of a eurocrat I am, I personally connected much better with the latter ones :). 

Wolfgang:
You are right Andrea, people who are in opposition to a rigid regime are rather different and are driven by a broad variation of motives. Insofar you have to be very sensitive if you are looking for the "right dissidents" who deserve help from western democracies. Remember Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Taliban was in opposition to the rigid regime in Kabul supported by the Soviet Union. And they became the good friends of the US government. With other words, be careful if you send zu Guttenberg to find the right people who oppose an established dictatorship. The risk is high to get the people you mentioned above and end up with another dictatorship. 
 
 
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From toml at communisphere.com  Fri Dec 16 11:57:23 2011
From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:57:23 -0500
Subject: [governance] Occupy Wall Street vision statement development
 process
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I've been somewhat involved with the Occupy Wall Street movement here in 
NYC and thought I'd pass on a link to a tool they are using to develop 
the statement.

     1. because it's a cool tool that might be useful on the governance
        list (or elsewhere)
     2. because you may want to see what they're thinking about as a
        vision statement. I'm unclear when the Vision Statement will (if
        ever) be adopted by the General Assembly (the OWS ruling body
        that runs by consensus), but the hope is by end of year. If this
        working group gets its way, then when people ask "What do they
        want." the answer will be "Read the Vision Statement."

See the statement evaluator 
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dGFXZHNwcTBCUHlyS295RnNnMmh2V2c6MQ#gid=0>.

Best,

Tom Lowenhaupt
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From garth.graham at telus.net  Fri Dec 16 13:31:10 2011
From: garth.graham at telus.net (Garth Graham)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:31:10 -0800
Subject: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
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On 2011-12-15, at 11:53 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote:

> Yet, there is the other type of people, like those that McTim refers to, who often make decisions contrary to their "special interests" (by the way, it is mostly US concept that you need to make money at any cost). Those people built the Internet. Those people kept, keep today and will continue to keep it all together in the future.
> These people are unique in a way, because they are not only very deep into technology, capable of inventing things and code their ideas in software, but they also are social enough, can see "trough the peoples image deep in their soul" and therefore are very, very hard to be confused to deluded by some con artist.
> 
> These people are not very many, but they don't need to be. They have their very special interests --- the Internet.
> They will use any tools available to see their special interests are met. And, they have been successful for these 20++ years, because they to posses unique qualities.
> 
> As I commented in earlier threads, none of these people work for Governments. Or if they do, it is on a contractual basis, as isolated as possible. This is, I believe because this kind of people do not tolerate politics.

I like the wisdom of this observation a lot.  So let me see if I can improve it a bit.

1. In the literature on online communities of practice, those unique people are called "stewards of community-based use."  Such stewards are now everywhere, eroding the modes of governance structuring institutions and organizations (In ICANN terms, you'd say they were "at large.").  So, while I'd agree the constituency for the core politics of Internet Governance is not large (and maybe not yet large enough), there is a way of looking at the demographics that beefs it up a bit.

2. If those unique people weren't, in fact, HIGHLY tolerant of politics as the art of the possible, we wouldn't have the Internet.  The messy method of dialogue and feedback they use to improve things is exactly the way that pure democracy works.  It's bureaucracy they don't tolerate.  Government bureaucracy uses technocracy for decision-making, not politics.

GG

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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 16 14:26:31 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:26:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast Track:
Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board. 
===========
...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December 2011 of the amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan, 
ICANN is providing this notice of publication for 
the Revised Implementation Plan. 
This amendment was considered following guidance received from the ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.


Two versions are posted: 
1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB]) 
and 
2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]). 
The community should take note that the original version of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded by the Revised Implementation Plan.
Background

On 26 October 2011, the ccNSO Council approved a resolution http://ccnso.icann.org/node/28011 and communicated it in a letter http://ccnso.icann.org/node/27947 from ccNSO Chair to ICANN Board Chair asking the Board to direct staff to amend the relevant sections of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Implementation Plan. The amendment is to address specific cases when a requested IDN ccTLD string may be confusingly similar with the two-letter ASCII ccTLD corresponding to the same country or territory. " 
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 8:36 AM PKT Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:>Hi, Avri.>Have u got time to draft a IGC letter about FT regarding Bulgarian IDNcctLD to m/s ICANN.>Thanks>Imran>>On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 02:36 PKT Tina Dam wrote:>+1, did not sound right. Still good to see that the process is being>supported.>>>>On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Hi Iliya and Daniel, ****>>>> Thanks for immediate correction.****>>>> Imran****>>>> ** **>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On>> Behalf Of *Iliya Bazlyankov>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 06:40 PM>> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Imran Ahmed Shah>> *Cc:* 'Tina Dam'; 'nhklein'>>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)>> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****>>>> ** **>>>> Hi,>> The translation is not correct.>>>> "Независимо, че останахме основателно
 неудовлетворени от отказа на ICANN>> да регистрира нашия стринг на кирилица, заявен по бързата процедура за IDN>>> ccTLDs, българското правителство подкрепя този тип политика.">>>> Is translated as:>> Although we were rightly dissatisfied by the refusal of ICANN to register>> our string in Cyrillic, requested under the fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the>> Bulgarian government supports this type of policy".>>>> Iliya>>>> На 6.12.2011 г. 15:23 ч., Imran Ahmed Shah написа: ****>>>> Thanks Tina for sharing this news. ****>>>> It’s really surprising for us that Bulgarian government is satisfied with>> the ICANN’s refusal.****>>>> Imran****>>>> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org<governance at lists.cpsr.org>]>> *On Behalf Of *Tina Dam>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:14 AM>> *To:*
 governance at lists.cpsr.org; nhklein>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg)>> similar to other Latin ccTLDs?****>>>>  ****>>>> And the minister's words:> http://www.domainforum.bg/bg/privetstvie>> and at isoc http://isocbg.wordpress.com/****>>>> see paragraph 3. ****>>>>  ****>>>> Using google translate gives the following - which may or may not be a>> correct translation:****>>>>  ****>>>> Given the global nature of the Internet is undeniably important role of the>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers - ICANN - to maintain>> credibility and transparency in the management of Internet resources. ICANN>> pursue a transparent policy based on strict rules. Although we were>> reasonably satisfied with ICANN's refusal to register our string of>> Cyrillic>> requested fast-track for IDN ccTLDs, the Bulgarian government supports this>> type of policy.****>>>> 2011/12/1 nhklein <nhklein at gmx.net>****>>>> On 12/01/2011
 08:31 PM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: ****>>>> Not that there is much going on, but just for reference, what Rod>> Beckstrom had to say about the issue.>>>>> http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134438>>>> Daniel ****>>>>  ****>>>> Interesting wording - using the plural for some undefined "global>> communities" that supposedly decided against *.бг *>>>> "The job of ICANN, the organization, is to implement the policies that are>> developed by the global communities. Those communities did not allow the>> initial application to go through because of potential visual confusion. So>> I think the Bulgarians can go back and they can choose what they want to>> apply for.">>>>>> Norbert>>>>>>>> ****>>>> -- ****>>>> A while ago, I started a new blog:****>>>>  ****>>>> ...thinking it over... after 21 years in Cambodia****>>>> http://www.thinking21.org/****>>>>  ****>>>> continuing to share reports and comments from Cambodia.****>>>>  ****>>>> Norbert Klein****>>>>
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From ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 16:32:01 2011
From: ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com (Narine Khachatryan)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:02:01 +0430
Subject: [governance] SOPA victory for tech community today. Now delayed
 until 2012.
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Dear all,

Sopa victory for tech community as US House committee adjourns

Congress to vote at a later date on internet piracy legislation in a
surprise low to Hollywood and top media firms
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/dec/16/congress-delays-vote-on-sopa-internet-piracy



The US House Judiciary committee considering the controversial Stop Online
Piracy <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/piracy> Act (Sopa) abruptly
adjourned Friday with no new vote date set. The surprise victory for the
tech community came amidst a barrage of online criticism and in spite of
the fact that most politicians on the committee appeared to support the act.

On the second day of discussions committee chairman and chief sponsor of
the legislation, Rep Lamar Smith (R-Texas), conceded to calls for further
investigation of claims that the legislation will damage the infrastructure
of the internet <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/internet>.

Top media firms, including some of the biggest names in Hollywood, have
been lobbying hard for the legislation claiming online piracy is costing
them billions in lost sales and jobs.

But executives from Google, Wikipedia and other high profile tech firms
have accused the committee of pursuing the same strategy used by China to
censor its internet and claimed the legislation as drafted would damage the
Internet's global structure.

The online community has rallied against Sopa. Wikipedia founder Jimmy
Wales threatened to pull his website offline if the legislation wasn't
amended. The hashtag Sopa has been trending on Twitter this week as people
worried about its implications.

But Sopa isn't dead. Smith said the hearing would resume at the "earliest
practical day that Congress is in session." With the Christmas holidays
coming, the next hearing will be weeks away at the earliest and with the
2012 election looming it will become increasingly difficult to schedule an
early vote.

At the hearing, Rep Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) urged Smith to postpone the
session until technical experts could be brought in to discuss the impact
of altering the internet's domain-naming system to fight piracy.

The tech industry's biggest names have come out against Sopa, including
computer scientist Vint Cerf, one of the founders of the internet. He
recently warned Sopa would begin "a worldwide arms race of unprecedented
'censorship' of the Web." Stuart Baker, former homeland security assistant
secretary has also warned Sopa would do "great damage to internet security."

Given that the majority of the committee's members seemed to be in favor of
the legislation, the decision to delay will come as a major blow to the
media firms that have lobbied hard for its passage. Holmes Wilson,
co-founder of Fight For The Future, a lobbying group, said: "It's a huge
victory, if a temporary one. This is not what they wanted."

He said it was clear that the number of people watching the proceedings
online and discussing it on Twitter and Facebook made it difficult to pass
the bill without greater scrutiny. "In the past legislation could just have
been passed with few people noticing. That isn't possible anymore," he said.

The legislation is not the only anti-piracy bill now passing through
Washington. Another bill, know as Protect IP, is also pending.


Nariné Khachatryan
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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Fri Dec 16 16:41:33 2011
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:41:33 +0000
Subject: [governance] SOPA victory for tech community today. Now delayed
 until 2012.
In-Reply-To: <CAPVtaun7W9r4mJMj+9jdpbKEm4NvrhHab0uqWbbrq496Yv2kXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPVtaun7W9r4mJMj+9jdpbKEm4NvrhHab0uqWbbrq496Yv2kXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05CFF8@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>

Hi,

Having just been in DC, both the Sopa and Protect IP bills are seen there as basically a Northern California vs Southern California, ie Silicon Valley v Hollywood, squabble.

So score a round to the Valley.

But Hollywood's not going away.

Unfortuantely even if the rest of us can weigh in, it's likely up to Valley heavyweights to also protect the Internet from the Protect IP act, just like they belatedly engaged on sopa.

Now reporting from outside the Beltway,

Lee


________________________________
From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf of Narine Khachatryan [ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:32 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] SOPA victory for tech community today. Now delayed until 2012.

Dear all,

Sopa victory for tech community as US House committee adjourns


Congress to vote at a later date on internet piracy legislation in a surprise low to Hollywood and top media firms

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/dec/16/congress-delays-vote-on-sopa-internet-piracy



The US House Judiciary committee considering the controversial Stop Online Piracy<http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/piracy> Act (Sopa) abruptly adjourned Friday with no new vote date set. The surprise victory for the tech community came amidst a barrage of online criticism and in spite of the fact that most politicians on the committee appeared to support the act.

On the second day of discussions committee chairman and chief sponsor of the legislation, Rep Lamar Smith (R-Texas), conceded to calls for further investigation of claims that the legislation will damage the infrastructure of the internet<http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/internet>.

Top media firms, including some of the biggest names in Hollywood, have been lobbying hard for the legislation claiming online piracy is costing them billions in lost sales and jobs.

But executives from Google, Wikipedia and other high profile tech firms have accused the committee of pursuing the same strategy used by China to censor its internet and claimed the legislation as drafted would damage the Internet's global structure.

The online community has rallied against Sopa. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales threatened to pull his website offline if the legislation wasn't amended. The hashtag Sopa has been trending on Twitter this week as people worried about its implications.

But Sopa isn't dead. Smith said the hearing would resume at the "earliest practical day that Congress is in session." With the Christmas holidays coming, the next hearing will be weeks away at the earliest and with the 2012 election looming it will become increasingly difficult to schedule an early vote.

At the hearing, Rep Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) urged Smith to postpone the session until technical experts could be brought in to discuss the impact of altering the internet's domain-naming system to fight piracy.

The tech industry's biggest names have come out against Sopa, including computer scientist Vint Cerf, one of the founders of the internet. He recently warned Sopa would begin "a worldwide arms race of unprecedented 'censorship' of the Web." Stuart Baker, former homeland security assistant secretary has also warned Sopa would do "great damage to internet security."

Given that the majority of the committee's members seemed to be in favor of the legislation, the decision to delay will come as a major blow to the media firms that have lobbied hard for its passage. Holmes Wilson, co-founder of Fight For The Future, a lobbying group, said: "It's a huge victory, if a temporary one. This is not what they wanted."

He said it was clear that the number of people watching the proceedings online and discussing it on Twitter and Facebook made it difficult to pass the bill without greater scrutiny. "In the past legislation could just have been passed with few people noticing. That isn't possible anymore," he said.

The legislation is not the only anti-piracy bill now passing through Washington. Another bill, know as Protect IP, is also pending.


Nariné Khachatryan


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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 16:46:20 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:46:20 +1200
Subject: [governance] SOPA victory for tech community today. Now delayed
 until 2012.
In-Reply-To: <77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05CFF8@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>
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	<77A59FC9477004489D44DE7FC6840E7B05CFF8@SUEX10-mbx-08.ad.syr.edu>
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If lovers of the internet started boycotting Hollywood, in Occupy Hollywood
and everyone gathered momentum in fighting SOPA effects and impacts on an
open and free internet.

Consumers have power when forces combine.

I am happy that Silicon Valley won this round and hope it stays away.
Having said this I believe that intellectual property can be protected and
enforced but not at the expense of an open and free internet.

Sala

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Having just been in DC, both the Sopa and Protect IP bills are seen there
> as basically a Northern California vs Southern California, ie Silicon
> Valley v Hollywood, squabble.
>
> So score a round to the Valley.
>
> But Hollywood's not going away.
>
> Unfortuantely even if the rest of us can weigh in, it's likely up to
> Valley heavyweights to also protect the Internet from the Protect IP act,
> just like they belatedly engaged on sopa.
>
> Now reporting from outside the Beltway,
>
> Lee
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [governance at lists.cpsr.org] on behalf
> of Narine Khachatryan [ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2011 4:32 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org
> *Subject:* [governance] SOPA victory for tech community today. Now
> delayed until 2012.
>
>    Dear all,
>
>  Sopa victory for tech community as US House committee adjourns
>
>  Congress to vote at a later date on internet piracy legislation in a
> surprise low to Hollywood and top media firms
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/dec/16/congress-delays-vote-on-sopa-internet-piracy
>
>
>
>   The US House Judiciary committee considering the controversial Stop
> Online Piracy <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/piracy> Act (Sopa)
> abruptly adjourned Friday with no new vote date set. The surprise victory
> for the tech community came amidst a barrage of online criticism and in
> spite of the fact that most politicians on the committee appeared to
> support the act.
>
> On the second day of discussions committee chairman and chief sponsor of
> the legislation, Rep Lamar Smith (R-Texas), conceded to calls for further
> investigation of claims that the legislation will damage the infrastructure
> of the internet <http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/internet>.
>
> Top media firms, including some of the biggest names in Hollywood, have
> been lobbying hard for the legislation claiming online piracy is costing
> them billions in lost sales and jobs.
>
> But executives from Google, Wikipedia and other high profile tech firms
> have accused the committee of pursuing the same strategy used by China to
> censor its internet and claimed the legislation as drafted would damage the
> Internet's global structure.
>
> The online community has rallied against Sopa. Wikipedia founder Jimmy
> Wales threatened to pull his website offline if the legislation wasn't
> amended. The hashtag Sopa has been trending on Twitter this week as people
> worried about its implications.
>
> But Sopa isn't dead. Smith said the hearing would resume at the "earliest
> practical day that Congress is in session." With the Christmas holidays
> coming, the next hearing will be weeks away at the earliest and with the
> 2012 election looming it will become increasingly difficult to schedule an
> early vote.
>
> At the hearing, Rep Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) urged Smith to postpone the
> session until technical experts could be brought in to discuss the impact
> of altering the internet's domain-naming system to fight piracy.
>
> The tech industry's biggest names have come out against Sopa, including
> computer scientist Vint Cerf, one of the founders of the internet. He
> recently warned Sopa would begin "a worldwide arms race of unprecedented
> 'censorship' of the Web." Stuart Baker, former homeland security assistant
> secretary has also warned Sopa would do "great damage to internet security."
>
> Given that the majority of the committee's members seemed to be in favor
> of the legislation, the decision to delay will come as a major blow to the
> media firms that have lobbied hard for its passage. Holmes Wilson,
> co-founder of Fight For The Future, a lobbying group, said: "It's a huge
> victory, if a temporary one. This is not what they wanted."
>
> He said it was clear that the number of people watching the proceedings
> online and discussing it on Twitter and Facebook made it difficult to pass
> the bill without greater scrutiny. "In the past legislation could just have
> been passed with few people noticing. That isn't possible anymore," he said.
>
> The legislation is not the only anti-piracy bill now passing through
> Washington. Another bill, know as Protect IP, is also pending.
>
>
>  Nariné Khachatryan
>
>
>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Fri Dec 16 17:56:20 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:56:20 +1200
Subject: [governance] Single Character IDN-TLDs and gTLD Applications
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiBpkzm5dMKnwq1a4DuZ_9RQRwSir7gOyoHs5q9VwpAPQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

For those who are interested in the IDN space, what are your thoughts about
the inclusion or non-inclusion of single character IDN - TLDs in the gTLD
first round of Applications within 26 days.


Kind Regards,

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From pouzin at well.com  Fri Dec 16 21:44:56 2011
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:44:56 +0100
Subject: [governance] Single Character IDN-TLDs and gTLD Applications
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* *
1-char gTLD in latin based scripts are close to nonsense, literally. It
would boil down to a collection of twentysome billionnaires wasting away
tons of $ just to show off. Still, diacriticals could be used for puns and
obscure connotations, FWIW.

* Ñ*  xn--lca, *spanish*
*€*  xn--lzg, *euro zone*
*Ø*  xn--sca, *scandinavian*
*™*  xn--y2g, *©*  xn--gba, *SOPA lobby*
*Ω*  xn--exa, *OMEGA watches
**×  *xn--rca*,** this is not an X **
√*  xn--19g,* math lovers*

In non latin scripts, specially asians, there might be subtle
interpretations of some specific characters. Nothing wrong with that, when
it's rooted in people culture. But let those people speak for themselves.
- - -

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 23:56, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> For those who are interested in the IDN space, what are your thoughts
> about the inclusion or non-inclusion of single character IDN - TLDs in the
> gTLD first round of Applications within 26 days.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Sat Dec 17 01:17:21 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:17:21 +0100
Subject: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Dear Wolfgang,

2011/12/16 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>

>
> Wolfgang:
> You are right Andrea, people who are in opposition to a rigid regime are
> rather different and are driven by a broad variation of motives. Insofar
> you have to be very sensitive if you are looking for the "right dissidents"
> who deserve help from western democracies. Remember Afghanistan in the
> 1980s. The Taliban was in opposition to the rigid regime in Kabul supported
> by the Soviet Union. And they became the good friends of the US government.
> With other words, be careful if you send zu Guttenberg to find the right
> people who oppose an established dictatorship. The risk is high to get the
> people you mentioned above and end up with another dictatorship.
>

The risk is always there, which is why a combination of advice and analysis
from other sources is always useful.  Again quite bluntly and as a personal
opinion only, I'm not sure that an advisor coming (for example) from the
"Internet freedom activists" crowd would be necessarily better at
identifying "dissidents" that would not turn up later to be "problematic".

All in all, I would like to get rid of the impression that zu Guttenberg
will be the *only* element of the "No Disconnect Strategy", which is not
the case.

Best,

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From daniel at digsys.bg  Sat Dec 17 03:00:17 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:00:17 +0200
Subject: [governance] Single Character IDN-TLDs and gTLD Applications
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Message-ID: <365BD8B3-FDAB-409A-8987-5C6AE571CF93@digsys.bg>

Another issue occurred to me -- there was the idea to use "б" instead of "бг" for an IDN ccTLD. But this brings out the question, that perhaps common-root strings should not be allowed, because the shorter string might be considered a typo of the longer string.

Typically example: .com and .co

>From this it follows that common-alphabet single-character strings are bad idea. Suppose we have two applications  in Cyrillic:

.ба (say, Bulgarian Authors)
and
.бан (say, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences)

then those two strings , having a common root inherently create confusion. Add to that also

.б (say, Bulgaria)

and we have complete mess. Perhaps only with hieroglyphs things are different.

I do not see policy to this effect proposed or implemented anywhere in the new gTLD process.

Daniel



On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:44 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:

> 
> 1-char gTLD in latin based scripts are close to nonsense, literally. It would boil down to a collection of twentysome billionnaires wasting away tons of $ just to show off. Still, diacriticals could be used for puns and obscure connotations, FWIW.
> 
> Ñ  xn--lca, spanish
> €  xn--lzg, euro zone
> Ø  xn--sca, scandinavian
> ™  xn--y2g, ©  xn--gba, SOPA lobby
> Ω  xn--exa, OMEGA watches
> ×  xn--rca, this is not an X 
> √  xn--19g, math lovers
> 
> In non latin scripts, specially asians, there might be subtle interpretations of some specific characters. Nothing wrong with that, when it's rooted in people culture. But let those people speak for themselves.
> - - -
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 23:56, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> For those who are interested in the IDN space, what are your thoughts about the inclusion or non-inclusion of single character IDN - TLDs in the gTLD first round of Applications within 26 days.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Dec 17 03:34:27 2011
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:34:27 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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A:
All in all, I would like to get rid of the impression that zu Guttenberg will be the *only* element of the "No Disconnect Strategy", which is not the case.
 
W:
To avoid a "single point of failure" is always the best strategy.  Diversitx and decentraliozation is what the Internet gives its stability and "wisdom". 

Best,

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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Sat Dec 17 03:44:09 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:44:09 +0100
Subject: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN5QmUEymphzURo3+B0SDGEFKkJOg5q_8po_3i2c744rMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMz5XN5QmUEymphzURo3+B0SDGEFKkJOg5q_8po_3i2c744rMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEC5659.50306@cis-india.org>

Dear Dierdre,
No one is capable of making a clear distinction between what they have
thought and written and what somebody else has thought and written —
though academics sometimes like to delude themselves into thinking
otherwise.  That is not to say that I don't think 'plagiarism' is a
problem: just that isn't the kind of problem that you've painted it out
to be.

There's a beautiful essay by Jonathan Lethem looking at 'plagiarism' in
art and culture: <http://goo.gl/2Yfoa> ("The ecstasy of influence: A
plagiarism", Harper's Magazine, February 2007).  I'm not sure how much
of it are his ideas, and how much those of Harper's editors.

And a better-known rhyme (for the film-watchers, that is):

You must remember this,
A kiss is just a kiss,
A sigh is just a sigh,
The fundamental things apply,
As time goes by.

– Herman Hupfeld (though he might have stolen the idea from the
gorse-kissing-fashion rhyme)

Regards,
Pranesh

Deirdre Williams [2011-12-14 20:42]:
> Jovan and Norbert,
> Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total
> of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a distinction
> between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has
> thought and written?
> Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in fact
> it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much
> good at statistics.
> I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what
> this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to
> make the point clearer.
> Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on
> ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect
> what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of
> intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with
> the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership.
> Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose
> work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of
> publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.
> Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a child:
> "When gorse is out of blossom,"
> (Its prickles bare of gold)
> "Then kissing's out of fashion,"
> Said country-folk of old.
> Thank you CM Barker, and Google for knowing about it as well. What does our
> discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that gorse
> always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty.
> Honesty is the social Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without
> at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail.
> Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy name
> for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that
> we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign our
> society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if anything,
> to gain from the change.
> Deirdre
> 
> On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:
> 
>>  Deirdre,
>>
>> You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by
>> the news that 85% of university students in the United States are involved
>> in some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we invest
>> in a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new educational
>> paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes and
>> effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still valid
>> today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
>>
>> Regards, Jovan
>>
>> On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>
>> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
>> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about plagiarism
>> isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is
>> still important but the things considered "private" seem to have changed.
>> With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from the
>> existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published,
>> information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I was
>> assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's
>> intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
>> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked as
>> it used to be?
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>> Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come
>>> as a
>>>> surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
>>> made.
>>>
>>>  Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
>>> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
>>> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
>>> and suitable person to fill this role:
>>>
>>> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
>>> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
>>> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
>>> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
>>> for its decisions".
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Norbert
>>>  ____________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>  --
>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>
>>
>>
>>   <http://www.diplomacy.edu/Courses/Humanitarian.asp>****
>>
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From charityg at diplomacy.edu  Sat Dec 17 09:21:35 2011
From: charityg at diplomacy.edu (Charity Gamboa)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:21:35 -0600
Subject: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
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Hi all,

I am jumping in to the discussion to what Deidre and Jovan wrote. I am an
educator and plagiarism always concerned me. The anti-plagiarism software
can be used by educators like me to check papers but it does not disregard
the issue that there is a disconnect of concepts on IP, copyright and
originality. I have confronted students especially with the use of
Wikipedia articles and not crediting their sources. Most of them feel that
since these articles are collectively written, they should be common
knowledge. That's not the point - it's still not their own and they should
at least credit their sources. I see very little remorse and sadly I was
even asked once how to remove the purple lines or hyperlinks to make it
look like non-hyperlink text when they paste them in Word. I almost fell
from my chair.

When I was growing up my view of research was flipping through pages of
textbooks in a library and following formats of citations, especially in
Literature classes. Then I was a senior in high school when I had a course
in Research Methodology. Then digital technology boomed a few years after
and actually re-defined how students understand the concepts of copyright
and originality. This generation of students grew up in an age where
everything seems to be suspended in cyberspace and believed that there
"seemed" to be no author. In other words, it's possibly okay for just
anybody to take. This is a misconception that I always discuss in my
classes. I don't excuse it but I try to understand why. Even when I
confront my students, they're not defensive - they just bluntly take it for
granted. Maybe, their concept of IP and the world they grew up are just not
on the same level of "gravity." If I were to stop this misconception, then
I have to find a solution. So my best recourse is to make a rubric for
grading that allocates bigger credit for "the use of proper citation
methods." I present my expectations; explain it in class and I expect my
students to follow them to get a good grade.  Well, it seemed to work for
years now. I'm only hoping that other professors (they encounter) will
adapt the same method. Maybe if it's not asking too much; maybe this
generation will grow up respecting other people's work and show more
creativity or singularity of their own. We have too many policy-makers out
there but we sometimes forget the very essential job of educating a
generation who are so disconnected. If you have kids, remind them. Ask them
what they did in school and if they mumble something like ".*.doing some
dumb paper.*." -  there's your cue to prod them about school work and
remind them about being creative. You can already tell that most of the
time some students couldn't care less about writing papers - they just want
to accomplish the tasks assigned to them. So they will write without giving
proper credit.

I am not sure if we are to just accept the notion that "grabbing" and
"mixing" is okay or "authenticity" is better than "originality." I still
think that there are creative people out there but if we are to "build"
creative thinkers, we have to change the notion that accomplishing tasks is
not merely doing your tasks to "*get things done asap*." Reading and
writing takes a lot of practice. The teaching pedagogy should involve
H.O.T.S - high order thinking skills - that will synthesize and proceed
original discussions and arguments into original work. This way, students
are less likely to be tempted to plagiarize or to cheat. *For real*.

Just my two cents.

Regards,
Charity G. Embley

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Pranesh Prakash <pranesh at cis-india.org>wrote:

> Dear Dierdre,
> No one is capable of making a clear distinction between what they have
> thought and written and what somebody else has thought and written —
> though academics sometimes like to delude themselves into thinking
> otherwise.  That is not to say that I don't think 'plagiarism' is a
> problem: just that isn't the kind of problem that you've painted it out
> to be.
>
> There's a beautiful essay by Jonathan Lethem looking at 'plagiarism' in
> art and culture: <http://goo.gl/2Yfoa> ("The ecstasy of influence: A
> plagiarism", Harper's Magazine, February 2007).  I'm not sure how much
> of it are his ideas, and how much those of Harper's editors.
>
> And a better-known rhyme (for the film-watchers, that is):
>
> You must remember this,
> A kiss is just a kiss,
> A sigh is just a sigh,
> The fundamental things apply,
> As time goes by.
>
> – Herman Hupfeld (though he might have stolen the idea from the
> gorse-kissing-fashion rhyme)
>
> Regards,
> Pranesh
>
> Deirdre Williams [2011-12-14 20:42]:
> > Jovan and Norbert,
> > Norbert first - of course I agree with you. How can you add to 'the total
> > of human knowledge' if you are apparently incapable of making a
> distinction
> > between what you have thought and written and what somebody else has
> > thought and written?
> > Jovan - I read the 2007 discussion with interest. I wonder whether in
> fact
> > it's 85% of students or 85% of work submitted - but then I never was much
> > good at statistics.
> > I thought perhaps that I was forcing an irrelevant digression from what
> > this list is about, but no, although I have changed the subject line to
> > make the point clearer.
> > Our world, virtual and physical, places great store on property and on
> > ownership. Our societies disapprove of and punish those who don't respect
> > what is implied by 'ownership' - the thieves. The production of
> > intellectual property is really HARD work; surely our sympathies lie with
> > the creator rather than with the person who stole and claimed ownership.
> > Ownership is not about money. It admits sharing. In fact the person whose
> > work was plagiarised was expressing 'willingness to share' by the act of
> > publication. He or she displayed trust and asked for honesty.
> > Jovan sent me off on a nostalgia trip to a rhyme I had learned as a
> child:
> > "When gorse is out of blossom,"
> > (Its prickles bare of gold)
> > "Then kissing's out of fashion,"
> > Said country-folk of old.
> > Thank you CM Barker, and Google for knowing about it as well. What does
> our
> > discussion have to do with gorse (or kissing)? Well the point is that
> gorse
> > always has blossoms, and kissing's always in fashion. So is honesty.
> > Honesty is the social Higgs boson that holds everything together. Without
> > at least some honesty I believe that societies would crumble and fail.
> > Plagiarism is a fancy name for lack of honesty, as it is also a fancy
> name
> > for theft. If we change the rules to allow plagiarism it seems to me that
> > we condone theft and encourage dishonesty and end up having to redesign
> our
> > society completely. And the way I see it we have very little, if
> anything,
> > to gain from the change.
> > Deirdre
> >
> > On 14 December 2011 13:02, Jovan Kurbalija <jovank at diplomacy.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>  Deirdre,
> >>
> >> You reminded me of an interesting discussion on plagiarism triggered by
> >> the news that 85% of university students in the United States are
> involved
> >> in some sort of plagiarism.  Can 85% of students be wrong? Should we
> invest
> >> in a better anti plagiarism software or start considering a new
> educational
> >> paradigm? Like with many other policy issues, there is a mix of causes
> and
> >> effects. Here is the link to the discussion from 2007 which is still
> valid
> >> today: http://wp.me/p81We-m
> >>
> >> Regards, Jovan
> >>
> >> On 12/14/11 4:12 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> This discussion interests me for a slightly different reason.
> >> I have been wondering for some time now whether the norm about
> plagiarism
> >> isn't shifting as the norm about privacy seems to be doing. Privacy is
> >> still important but the things considered "private" seem to have
> changed.
> >> With the issue of plagiarism - we are being encouraged to "remix" from
> the
> >> existing. Does this carry with it the idea that, once published,
> >> information is "free"? When I asked this question on the Diplo ning I
> was
> >> assured that the "old" rule still obtains - if you borrow someone else's
> >> intellectual property you must acknowledge where/who it came from.
> >> But now I wonder again - in changing times is plagiarism not as wicked
> as
> >> it used to be?
> >> Deirdre
> >>
> >> On 14 December 2011 10:36, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have
> come
> >>> as a
> >>>> surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
> >>> made.
> >>>
> >>>  Indeed. And she's legally obligated to give the reasons (when the
> >>> question is formally asked) why such a scandalous person was chosen
> >>> instead of conducting a more normal kind of search for a well-qualified
> >>> and suitable person to fill this role:
> >>>
> >>> According to Article 41 of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights [1],
> >>> which has been ratified by all EU member countries as part of the
> >>> Lisbon Treaty, there is a right to good administration which includes
> >>> in particular "the obligation of the administration to give reasons
> >>> for its decisions".
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/
> >>>
> >>> Greetings,
> >>> Norbert
> >>>  ____________________________________________________________
> >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >>>     governance at lists.cpsr.org
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> >>>     http://www.igcaucus.org/
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> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
> William
> >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   <http://www.diplomacy.edu/Courses/Humanitarian.asp>****
> >>
> >> ____________________________________________________________
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From avri at acm.org  Sun Dec 18 09:07:09 2011
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:07:09 -0500
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org>


On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:

> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast Track:
> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board. 

I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down in trying to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here, but in terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. 

Then I got distracted by other activities.  I keep thinking I need to get back to doing it, but haven't yet.  I keep telling myself next week, and then next week I don't.

Do people feel there is still a chance we can budge the ICANN  Board on this issue?


> ===========
> ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December 2011 of the amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan, 
> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for 
> the Revised Implementation Plan. 
> This amendment was considered following guidance received from the ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
> 
> 
> Two versions are posted: 
> 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB]) 
> and 
> 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]). 
> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded by the Revised Implementation Plan.
> Background

Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all?   I did not think so, since they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was confusing.

It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic expert should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant.

avri

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From pouzin at well.com  Sun Dec 18 19:36:22 2011
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:36:22 +0100
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Is_really_Bulgarian_Cyrillic_=2E=D0=B1?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B3_=28=2Ebg=29_similar_to_other_Latin_ccTLDs=3F?=
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References: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org>
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Hi Avri,

An argument, not easy to use in writing to the board:
since .бг is to happen anyhow, the board had better take a positive stance,
rather than being cornered later into admission.
- - -

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 15:07, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>
> > Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast Track:
> > Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board.
>
> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down in
> trying to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here,
> but in terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN
> policy and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge.
>
> Then I got distracted by other activities.  I keep thinking I need to get
> back to doing it, but haven't yet.  I keep telling myself next week, and
> then next week I don't.
>
> Do people feel there is still a chance we can budge the ICANN  Board on
> this issue?
>
>
> > ===========
> > ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December 2011 of the
> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
> > ICANN is providing this notice of publication for
> > the Revised Implementation Plan.
> > This amendment was considered following guidance received from the ccNSO
> during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
> >
> >
> > Two versions are posted:
> > 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan (
> http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF,
> 851 KB])
> > and
> > 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version (
> http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF,
> 902 KB]).
> > The community should take note that the original version of the IDN
> ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
> > Background
>
> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all?   I did not think so,
> since they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was
> confusing.
>
> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic
> expert should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant.
>
> avri
>
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From sam_kams at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 18 23:08:35 2011
From: sam_kams at yahoo.com (samuel kamara)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:08:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] Re:
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 01:43:29 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:43:29 +0500
Subject: [governance] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?SXMgcmVhbGx5IEJ1bGdhcmlhbiBDeXJp?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?bGxpYyAuGyRCJ1InVBsoQiAoLmJnKSBzaW1pbGFyIHRvIG90aGVyIExh?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?dGluIGNjVExEcz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org>
References: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org>
Message-ID: <00bf01ccbe19$885feeb0$991fcc10$@yahoo.com>

Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness).

ccNSO Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and example
that
1.	IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term Implementation Program)
was amendable/modifiable.
2.	Key resources understands and acknowledged that similarity can be
helpful.
3.	The option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was
also known to them.
4.	[important] They allowed this option for (and within) territory and
if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are same.
5.	[very important] They intentionally disallowed the same option for
others (out of territory = Global context) and if the applicants for IDN
ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two separate entities.

The same option /provisioning, we could use (to claim) for the
implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday, November 10,
2011 07:56 PM)
----------------------------------------
" New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of the
ownership of the products or services or command may give you better
results.
So, applying this new approach, will give following results:
.бг to .br
.ελ  to .EA
(consumers will  be offered to enjoy the Visual Similarity, even the .bg
users will also be able to get their domain registered Блгария.Бг)
Now, read it again and smile, it has become a commercial model. New gTLD
have no concern, what IDN Language do you select."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also write to ICANN
Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet implementation to a
territory (locally) instead of Globally and not providing equal opportunity
for everyone. We can also demand to expand same policy for global
implementation as well.

Thanks for every one on sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public
interest.

Regards

Imran Ahmed Shah

> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
> Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM
> To: IGC
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
to other
> Latin ccTLDs?
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>
> > Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast
Track:
> > Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board.
>
> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down in
trying
> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here, but
in
> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy and
> process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge.
>
> Then I got distracted by other activities.  I keep thinking I need to get
back to
> doing it, but haven't yet.  I keep telling myself next week, and then next
> week I don't.
>
> Do people feel there is still a chance we can budge the ICANN  Board on
this
> issue?
>
>
> > ===========
> > ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December 2011 of the
> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
> > ICANN is providing this notice of publication for
> > the Revised Implementation Plan.
> > This amendment was considered following guidance received from the
> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
> >
> >
> > Two versions are posted:
> > 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan
> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
> > and
> > 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version
> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
> plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
> > The community should take note that the original version of the IDN
ccTLD
> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded by
> the Revised Implementation Plan.
> > Background
>
> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all?   I did not think so,
since
> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was
confusing.
>
> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic
expert
> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant.
>
> avri
>
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From daniel at digsys.bg  Mon Dec 19 02:43:19 2011
From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:43:19 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?SXMgcmVhbGx5IEJ1bGdhcmlhbiBDeXJp?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?bGxpYyAuGyRCJ1InVBsoQiAoLmJnKSBzaW1pbGFyIHRvIG90aGVyIExh?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?dGluIGNjVExEcz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <00bf01ccbe19$885feeb0$991fcc10$@yahoo.com>
References: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org> <00bf01ccbe19$885feeb0$991fcc10$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EEEEB17.9000903@digsys.bg>

Dear Imran,

There are concerns, that the amendmends address primarily "the EU case",
where the string is confusable "with itself". Perhaps this is something
that has to be addressed/clarified.

Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?

I see two problems with this approach:
- ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
particular expected to serve the local community according to local
laws, local traditions and more importantly in local language. This
becomes even more pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
- the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
- there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.

[joke mode]
We could certainly imagine, that the new Brasilian President, who is of
Bulgarian descent could be excited that their local registry could run
the new Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. That could eventually encourage mutual
business, as the Brasilian ccTLD manager opens office, local phone
numbers, employs Bulgarian speakers etc. Just to please globalism.
[joke mode off]

The good outcome is, that this development has proven all those who
claimed the IDN Fast Track is set in stone wrong. It remains to be seen
if their other claims hold water.

Daniel

On 19.12.11 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness). ccNSO
> Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
> revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and
> example that 1. IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term
> Implementation Program) was amendable/modifiable. 2. Key resources
> understands and acknowledged that similarity can be helpful. 3. The
> option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was also
> known to them. 4. [important] They allowed this option for (and
> within) territory and if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry
> Operator are same. 5. [very important] They intentionally disallowed
> the same option for others (out of territory = Global context) and if
> the applicants for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two
> separate entities. The same option /provisioning, we could use (to
> claim) for the implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday,
> November 10, 2011 07:56 PM) ---------------------------------------- "
> New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of
> the ownership of the products or services or command may give you
> better results. So, applying this new approach, will give following
> results: .бг to .br .ελ to .EA (consumers will be offered to enjoy the
> Visual Similarity, even the .bg users will also be able to get their
> domain registered Блгария.Бг) Now, read it again and smile, it has
> become a commercial model. New gTLD have no concern, what IDN Language
> do you select."
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also write to
> ICANN Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet
> implementation to a territory (locally) instead of Globally and not
> providing equal opportunity for everyone. We can also demand to expand
> same policy for global implementation as well. Thanks for every one on
> sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public interest. Regards
> Imran Ahmed Shah
>> -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent:
>> Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance]
>> Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar 
> to other
>> Latin ccTLDs? On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>>> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast 
> Track:
>>> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board. 
>> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down in 
> trying
>> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here, but 
> in
>> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy
>> and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. Then I got
>> distracted by other activities. I keep thinking I need to get 
> back to
>> doing it, but haven't yet. I keep telling myself next week, and then
>> next week I don't. Do people feel there is still a chance we can
>> budge the ICANN Board on 
> this
>> issue?
>>> =========== ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December
>>> 2011 of the 
>> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
>>> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for the Revised
>>> Implementation Plan. This amendment was considered following
>>> guidance received from the 
>> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
>>> Two versions are posted: 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process
>>> Implementation Plan 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
>> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
>>> and 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
>> plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
>>> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN 
> ccTLD
>> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
>> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
>>> Background 
>> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all? I did not think so, 
> since
>> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was 
> confusing.
>> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic 
> expert
>> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant. avri
>> __________________________________________________________ __ You
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 08:15:38 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:15:38 +0500
Subject: [governance] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?SXMgcmVhbGx5IEJ1bGdhcmlhbiBDeXJp?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?bGxpYyAuGyRCJ1InVBsoQiAoLmJnKSBzaW1pbGFyIHRvIG90aGVyIExh?=
 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?dGluIGNjVExEcz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <4EEEEB17.9000903@digsys.bg>
References: <1324063591.24101.yint-ygo-j2me@web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1D754A3E-670E-4418-886D-3228143B332F@acm.org> <00bf01ccbe19$885feeb0$991fcc10$@yahoo.com> <4EEEEB17.9000903@digsys.bg>
Message-ID: <002401ccbe50$4ef7b720$ece72560$@yahoo.com>

> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?

[IAS] It's just matter of explanation of implementation. Quoted reference is
just to give a reference of my wording that the changing ownership change
the implementation and may resolve the confusions. You are confused because
if you think that Brazil will be getting Cyrillic .бг as a IDN ccTLD, No,
not at all, (your unnecessary confusion will benefit (innocently) refusal
decision).
Just think if Brazilian ccTLD manager takes Cyrillic .бг as a new gTLD,
does it has any conflict when Bulgarians release the claim for .бг as IDN
ccTLD.

>I see two problems with this approach:
>- ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
local traditions and more importantly in local language.

[IAS] not only ccTLD but the IDN ccTLD is expected to server the "local
community" by any means, but why IDN strings are being compared / evaluated
with the strings of other languages, ASCI or other IDN tables to explore any
confusion or conflicts.

>This becomes even more pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
>- the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.

[IAS] according to their new definition, even both ccTLDs are managed
locally but the operators are different FT policy will not allow.

>- there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
Might be, but, I think the ASCII and IDN both will equally workable in new
gTLD framework to break (or at least crack) the skeleton of current domain
of popular TLDs.

Imran

> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
to other
> Latin ccTLDs?
>
> Dear Imran,
>
> There are concerns, that the amendmends address primarily "the EU case",
> where the string is confusable "with itself". Perhaps this is something
that
> has to be addressed/clarified.
>
> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?
>
> I see two problems with this approach:
> - ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
> particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
local
> traditions and more importantly in local language. This becomes even more
> pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
> - the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
> making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
> - there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the
> long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
>
> [joke mode]
> We could certainly imagine, that the new Brasilian President, who is of
> Bulgarian descent could be excited that their local registry could run the
new
> Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. That could eventually encourage mutual business, as
the
> Brasilian ccTLD manager opens office, local phone numbers, employs
> Bulgarian speakers etc. Just to please globalism.
> [joke mode off]
>
> The good outcome is, that this development has proven all those who
> claimed the IDN Fast Track is set in stone wrong. It remains to be seen if
their
> other claims hold water.
>
> Daniel
>
> On 19.12.11 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> > Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness). ccNSO
> > Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
> > revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and
> > example that 1. IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term
> > Implementation Program) was amendable/modifiable. 2. Key resources
> > understands and acknowledged that similarity can be helpful. 3. The
> > option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was also
> > known to them. 4. [important] They allowed this option for (and
> > within) territory and if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry
> > Operator are same. 5. [very important] They intentionally disallowed
> > the same option for others (out of territory = Global context) and if
> > the applicants for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two
> > separate entities. The same option /provisioning, we could use (to
> > claim) for the implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------ Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday,
> > November 10, 2011 07:56 PM) ---------------------------------------- "
> > New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of
> > the ownership of the products or services or command may give you
> > better results. So, applying this new approach, will give following
> > results: .бг to .br .ελ to .EA (consumers will be offered to enjoy
the
> > Visual Similarity, even the .bg users will also be able to get their
> > domain registered Блгария.Бг) Now, read it again and smile, it
has
> > become a commercial model. New gTLD have no concern, what IDN
> Language
> > do you select."
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------ We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also
> > write to ICANN Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet
> > implementation to a territory (locally) instead of Globally and not
> > providing equal opportunity for everyone. We can also demand to expand
> > same policy for global implementation as well. Thanks for every one on
> > sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public interest. Regards
> > Imran Ahmed Shah
> >> -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent:
> >> Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance]
> >> Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
> > to other
> >> Latin ccTLDs? On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> >>> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast
> > Track:
> >>> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board.
> >> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down
> >> in
> > trying
> >> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here,
> >> but
> > in
> >> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy
> >> and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. Then I got
> >> distracted by other activities. I keep thinking I need to get
> > back to
> >> doing it, but haven't yet. I keep telling myself next week, and then
> >> next week I don't. Do people feel there is still a chance we can
> >> budge the ICANN Board on
> > this
> >> issue?
> >>> =========== ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December
> >>> 2011 of the
> >> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
> >>> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for the Revised
> >>> Implementation Plan. This amendment was considered following
> >>> guidance received from the
> >> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
> >>> Two versions are posted: 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process
> >>> Implementation Plan
> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
> >> on-
> >> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
> >>> and 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version
> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
> >> on- plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
> >>> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN
> > ccTLD
> >> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
> >> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
> >>> Background
> >> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all? I did not think
> >> so,
> > since
> >> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was
> > confusing.
> >> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic
> > expert
> >> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant. avri
> >>
> __________________________________________________________
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From nb at bollow.ch  Mon Dec 19 09:11:21 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:11:21 +0100 (CET)
Subject: AW: [governance] Plagiarism and intellectual property
In-Reply-To: 	<2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8D2C862@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
	(wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de)
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wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de wrote:

> You are right Andrea, people who are in opposition to a rigid regime
> are rather different and are driven by a broad variation of
> motives. Insofar you have to be very sensitive if you are looking
> for the "right dissidents" who deserve help from western
> democracies. Remember Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Taliban was in
> opposition to the rigid regime in Kabul supported by the Soviet
> Union. And they became the good friends of the US government. With
> other words, be careful if you send zu Guttenberg to find the right
> people who oppose an established dictatorship. The risk is high to
> get the people you mentioned above and end up with another
> dictatorship.

Wolfgang, are you sure that the problem of selecting and choosing
the "right dissidents" is even solvable? And if so, what kind of
person would be able to find the solution, or who would at least
have a decent chance to avoid the worst mistakes, if not someone
with the kind of background that Mr zu Guttenberg has?

Greetings,
Norbert
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From nb at bollow.ch  Mon Dec 19 09:21:10 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:21:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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	(message from Andrea Glorioso on Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:00:45 +0100)
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Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:

> For me the basic question is actually whether pursuing an answer
> to this question - which remains your right to ask, of course - will
> provide any added value to achieve the goals of this initiative which,
> I tend to believe, are shared by many people as worthy.

>From my personal perspective, the answers that you have given me
are good enough. (Thank you!) This is based on believing to know
you well enough to know that you know what you're talking about,
and that you wouldn't lie to me outrightly. (I probably wouldn't
have accepted these answers from any other EU official, so you
can consider this a personal compliment if you like. :-) )

> Having said that, if this discussion needs to be pursued, it would
> certainly help if it was kept at a level - in terms of form and substance -
> that facilitates discussion. During the press conference, a German
> journalist asked whether the appointment of zu Guttenberg meant
> that the new policy of the EU with regards to China was that we
> would now allow China to copy all of EU's intellectual property.
> 
> How is one supposed to react to that?

That's so absurd that a single-word response of "no", perhaps with
a bit of laughter, would suffice, I think.

Greetings,
Norbert
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From nyangkweagien at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 11:40:23 2011
From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:40:23 +0100
Subject: [governance] Merry Christmas and Prosperous New Year
Message-ID: <CAM29qGbhY2LVappLXh0jXqL_VECZ+5rA5Hr+eFpLrtk69jUmoA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

2011 has been a wonderful year us. It has been a year in which we
learnt to disagree without being disagreeable, a year that brought us
success and failure (that is the dynamic of life).
2011 has been a year that we saw terrible things happen to us
individually and collectively. It is a year we made new acquaintances,
an important element in human development.

On that score, I wish each and every one of you a Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year 2012.

Unlike 2011, I wish 2012 to be a year of success and love to you all.

Nyangkwe Agien who loves you.




-- 
Aaron Agien Nyangkwe
Journalist-OutCome Mapper
Special Assistant to Tha President
ASAFE
Telephone:237 33 01 30 13
P.O.Box 5213
Douala-Cameroon
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From andrea at digitalpolicy.it  Mon Dec 19 13:25:26 2011
From: andrea at digitalpolicy.it (Andrea Glorioso)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:25:26 +0100
Subject: [governance] A shame for the EC
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Dear Norbert,

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
>
> > For me the basic question is actually whether pursuing an answer
> > to this question - which remains your right to ask, of course - will
> > provide any added value to achieve the goals of this initiative which,
> > I tend to believe, are shared by many people as worthy.
>
> From my personal perspective, the answers that you have given me
> are good enough. (Thank you!) This is based on believing to know
> you well enough to know that you know what you're talking about,
> and that you wouldn't lie to me outrightly. (I probably wouldn't
> have accepted these answers from any other EU official, so you
> can consider this a personal compliment if you like. :-) )
>

I sincerely thank you for this demonstration of trust.


> > Having said that, if this discussion needs to be pursued, it would
> > certainly help if it was kept at a level - in terms of form and
> substance -
> > that facilitates discussion. During the press conference, a German
> > journalist asked whether the appointment of zu Guttenberg meant
> > that the new policy of the EU with regards to China was that we
> > would now allow China to copy all of EU's intellectual property.
> >
> > How is one supposed to react to that?
>
> That's so absurd that a single-word response of "no", perhaps with
> a bit of laughter, would suffice, I think.
>

If I remember correctly, that was more or less the reaction of Neelie
Kroes (to whom the question was directed). Or maybe she did not
even bother to reply. I would need to re-check the recordings, which
I'm certainly not planning to do during my holiday period. :)

Best,

--
I speak only for myself. Sometimes I do not even agree with myself. Keep it
in mind.
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 14:27:11 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:27:11 +1200
Subject: [governance] Ai Weiwei #Tax Evasion #Democracy #Internet #China
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiB3MWn_7PVhbN0OkPLoC9uubikG1krWZJrp2=EoPEnnFg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I was watching something on television and flipping channels and was
interested in the snippet on Ai Weiwei and his saga. What I found
interesting was how he was slapped with tax evasion allegations and charges
and forbidden from speaking to the press. What caught my attention was how
his only medium of speaking out was through the internet and that he had
supporters.

Apparently Ai Weiwei is known throughout China for speaking out in public
against the Government and seems to be attracting a following. I know this
has been around since June this year. I wonder though what has happened to
Ai Weiwei.

Kind Regards

-- 
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From b.schombe at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 03:22:24 2011
From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:22:24 +0100
Subject: [governance] Merry Christmas and Prosperous New Year
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Aaron thank you for the compliments.
Indeed, 2011 was one of those eventful years but gave the result that
follows.
That the will of the Lord gives us more strength, and enlighten our
understanding that 2012 is a plus and leads us to the realization of all
our projects, individual and collective, so that future generations will
one day honor our memory.

SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN

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2011/12/19 Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>

> Dear All,
>
> 2011 has been a wonderful year us. It has been a year in which we
> learnt to disagree without being disagreeable, a year that brought us
> success and failure (that is the dynamic of life).
> 2011 has been a year that we saw terrible things happen to us
> individually and collectively. It is a year we made new acquaintances,
> an important element in human development.
>
> On that score, I wish each and every one of you a Merry Christmas and
> Happy New Year 2012.
>
> Unlike 2011, I wish 2012 to be a year of success and love to you all.
>
> Nyangkwe Agien who loves you.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Agien Nyangkwe
> Journalist-OutCome Mapper
> Special Assistant to Tha President
> ASAFE
> Telephone:237 33 01 30 13
> P.O.Box 5213
> Douala-Cameroon
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 06:40:53 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:40:53 +0200
Subject: [governance] USTR Releases List Of Possibly IP Infringing Markets
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    USTR Releases List Of Possibly IP Infringing Markets
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By William New <http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/author/william/>, 
Intellectual Property Watch

The United States Trade Representative's office today released its 
second report in a year on markets it has labeled "notorious" based on 
unofficial comments it has received. The report identifies physical and 
internet-based marketplaces around the world that may be hotbeds for the 
sale of intellectual property infringing goods.

Among the alleged major problem markets are several in China, though 
USTR said some Chinese companies like search engine Baidu have been 
removed from the list for the efforts they have made to address piracy. 
A range of other countries, from Russia to Canada, are mentioned as well.

"The Notorious Markets List identifies selected markets, including ones 
on the Internet, that are reportedly engaged in piracy and 
counterfeiting, according to information submitted to the Office of the 
U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) in response to a request for comments," 
USTR said. "These are marketplaces that have been the subject of 
enforcement action or that may merit further investigation for possible 
intellectual property rights infringements."

"Inclusion in the Notorious Markets List does not reflect a finding of a 
violation of law or the United States Government's analysis of the 
general IPR protection and enforcement climate in the country concerned; 
such analysis is contained in the annual Special 301 Report issued at 
the end of April," it said. "However, the United States urges the 
responsible authorities to intensify efforts to combat piracy and 
counterfeiting in these and similar markets, and to use the information 
contained in the Notorious Markets List to pursue legal actions where 
appropriate."

Today's report is the result of an "out-of-cycle" review launched in 
September.

The markets identified are potentially big enough to have a negative 
impact on the US economy, it said.

Several US industry associations praised the report, including the 
International Intellectual Property Alliance, the US Chamber of Commerce 
Global IP Center, and the Motion Picture Association of America.

"USTR's report highlights the need for accountability in the online 
space and continuing vigilance in physical piracy markets," IIPA Counsel 
Steve Metalitz said in a release. "This requires stronger laws and 
stricter law enforcement in foreign countries hosting notorious 
marketplaces, whether online or in the physical world. It also requires 
all actors in the copyright value chain to take greater responsibility 
toward finding solutions to the growing problem of online and physical 
copyright theft. We are also pleased that USTR has, for the first time, 
specifically identified sites based on their distribution of unlawful 
circumvention technologies." IIPA is a consortium of most major US 
rights holder industry groups.

The USTR list is available here <http://www.ustr.gov/webfm_send/3215>.

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From sam_kams at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 08:19:02 2011
From: sam_kams at yahoo.com (samuel kamara)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 05:19:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] 
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From pouzin at well.com  Wed Dec 21 10:22:08 2011
From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well))
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:22:08 +0100
Subject: [governance] spammer not welcome
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Is there a way to turn off this spammer, aka samuel kamara <
sam_kams at yahoo.com> ?
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 14:19, samuel kamara <sam_kams at yahoo.com> wrote:

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From avri at psg.com  Wed Dec 21 14:26:44 2011
From: avri at psg.com (Avri Doria)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:26:44 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang
 on the MAG
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG.
> 
> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> Chengetai 
> 
> Announcement
> 
>                                                                 
> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the IGF.
> 
> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth running of the IGF.
> 
> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past.
> 
> 
> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012 along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
> 
> 
> Groups	
> Current Status
> 
> Number to Renew	Number to Stay
> Government	25	16	9
> Private Sector	10	6	4
> Civil Society	10	6	4
> Academic and Technical Communities	10	6	4
> Total Number of Members 	55	34	21
> 
> 
> 
> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission template.
> 
> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
> 
> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
> 
> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality; 
> 
> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; 
> 
> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum; 
> 
> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members in between such meetings.
> 
> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
> 
> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet Governance Forum.
> 
>  
> 
>                                                                                   (Signed)
> 
>                                                                                   Sha Zukang
> 
>                                                                                   Under-Secretary-General
> 
> 										Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
> 
> 
> 
>                         
> 
> 
> Submission Template:
> 
> 
> Title:
> 
> Surname:
> 
> First name:
> 
> Other names:
> 
> Job Title(s)
> 
> Organization(s):
> 
> City of Residence:
> 
> Country of Residence:
> 
> Nationality:
> 
> Stakeholder Group:
> 
> Contact Email:
> 
> Contact Phone:
> 
> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Name put forward by:
> 
>  
> 
> Representing:
> 
>  
> 
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>  
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> Telephone:
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>  
> 
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 14:31:08 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <2E3A165D-ED93-45EA-8899-29EBA59A683A@psg.com>
References: <AEDF4087-43B5-48C9-91E8-A23D3FB294B3@unog.ch>
	<2E3A165D-ED93-45EA-8899-29EBA59A683A@psg.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiAcH2JRLQiCwB_VNnPheCa-90FzbVKMiUbwUq_rt3scew@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Avri for sending the notice.

Sala

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> *Subject: **[igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG*
> *Date: *21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
> *To: *igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha
> Zukang on the MAG.
>
> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that
> you also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder
> groups.
>
> Best regards
>
> Chengetai
>
> *Announcement*****
>
> *
> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
> IGF.
>
> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
> running of the IGF.
>
> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the
> rotation and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of
> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder
> groups –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and
> academic communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and
> developing countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be
> considered to become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder
> process bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their
> respective group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group
> nominees be members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and
> activities in the past.*
>
> *
> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
> suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
> can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.*
>
> *Groups*
>
> *Current Status*
> *Number to Renew**Number to Stay**Government*25169Private Sector1064Civil
> Society1064Academic and Technical Communities1064Total Number of Members *
> 55**34**21*
>
>
> *
> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by**  31 January 2012 **via
> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  **using the attached submission
> template.*
>
> *It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
> *
>
> *Accordingly to the established principles and practices,*
>
> *(i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>
> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>
> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>
> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in
> Geneva, Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
> in between such meetings.
>
> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to
> participate.
>
> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
> Governance Forum.*
>
> * *
>
> *
>
> (Signed)*
>
> *
>                                                                                   Sha
> Zukang*
>
> *
>           Under-Secretary-General*
>
> * **Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)*
>
> *
> *
> *                        *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
> Submission Template:
> **
> *
>
> Title:****
>
> Surname:****
>
> First name:****
>
> Other names:****
>
> Job Title(s)****
>
> Organization(s):****
>
> City of Residence:****
>
> Country of Residence:****
>
> Nationality:****
>
> Stakeholder Group:****
>
> Contact Email:****
>
> Contact Phone:****
>
> Brief relevant biography of *not more* than 300 words )****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> Name put forward by:****
>
>  ****
>
> Representing:****
>
>  ****
>
> Contact email :****
>
>  ****
>
> Telephone:****
>
> * *
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Wed Dec 21 14:42:21 2011
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiAcH2JRLQiCwB_VNnPheCa-90FzbVKMiUbwUq_rt3scew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>

I¹m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.

We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)

No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on ­
or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
more than 4 of whom are current members?

Ian







From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
Zukang on the MAG

Thanks Avri for sending the notice. 

Sala

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
>> on the MAG.
>> 
>> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
>> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>> 
>> Best regards 
>> 
>> Chengetai 
>> 
>> Announcement 
>>                                                                 
>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
>> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
>> IGF.
>> 
>> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>> running of the IGF.
>> 
>> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
>> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
>> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>> ­government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective group
>> for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be members
>> who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past.
>> 
>> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>> suggested that two thirds of each group¹s membership be renewed in 2012 along
>> the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups can
>> resubmit names of current MAG members¹ for re-election.
>> 
>> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>> Government 25 16 9
>> Private Sector 10 6 4
>> Civil Society 10 6 4
>> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
>> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>> template.
>> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open Consultation
>> and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the event that the
>> renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will convene at this
>> time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>> 
>> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality; 
>> 
>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
>> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; 
>> 
>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
>> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum; 
>> 
>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
>> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to participate
>> actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through continuous
>> engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members in between
>> such meetings.
>> 
>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>> 
>> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>> Governance Forum.
>>  
>>                                                                              
>>      (Signed)
>>                                                                              
>>      Sha Zukang
>>                                                                              
>>     Under-Secretary-General
>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>> 
>>                         
>> 
>> 
>> Submission Template:
>> 
>> Title: Surname:
>> First name: Other names:
>> Job Title(s)
>> Organization(s):
>> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
>> Contact Email: Contact Phone:
>> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )     
>> Name put forward by:   Representing:  
>> Contact email :   Telephone:
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> igf_members mailing list
>> igf_members at intgovforum.org
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>> 
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________________
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Wed Dec 21 15:30:18 2011
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:30:18 +1100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
Message-ID: <CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>

And I guess the further question is how we address the academic part of the
³academic and technical community² representation. Certainly in the past we
have nominated academic representatives and we have many academics involved
here.

Interesting that the letter nominates firm membership quotas for the first
time. Is that new?





From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
Zukang on the MAG

I¹m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.

We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)

No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on ­
or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
more than 4 of whom are current members?

Ian







From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
Zukang on the MAG

Thanks Avri for sending the notice. 

Sala

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
>> on the MAG.
>> 
>> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
>> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>> 
>> Best regards 
>> 
>> Chengetai 
>> 
>> Announcement 
>>                                                                 
>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
>> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
>> IGF.
>> 
>> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>> running of the IGF.
>> 
>> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
>> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
>> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>> ­government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective group
>> for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be members
>> who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the past.
>> 
>> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>> suggested that two thirds of each group¹s membership be renewed in 2012 along
>> the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups can
>> resubmit names of current MAG members¹ for re-election.
>> 
>> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>> Government 25 16 9
>> Private Sector 10 6 4
>> Civil Society 10 6 4
>> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
>> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>> template.
>> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open Consultation
>> and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the event that the
>> renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will convene at this
>> time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>> 
>> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality; 
>> 
>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
>> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups; 
>> 
>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
>> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum; 
>> 
>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
>> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to participate
>> actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through continuous
>> engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members in between
>> such meetings.
>> 
>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>> 
>> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>> Governance Forum.
>>  
>>                                                                              
>>      (Signed)
>>                                                                              
>>      Sha Zukang
>>                                                                              
>>     Under-Secretary-General
>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>> 
>>                         
>> 
>> 
>> Submission Template:
>> 
>> Title: Surname:
>> First name: Other names:
>> Job Title(s)
>> Organization(s):
>> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
>> Contact Email: Contact Phone:
>> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )     
>> Name put forward by:   Representing:  
>> Contact email :   Telephone:
>>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> igf_members mailing list
>> igf_members at intgovforum.org
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>> 
>> 
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
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>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 16:13:36 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:13:36 +0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
References: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
	<CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
Message-ID: <CAHuaJtN5GNwWBPBGA=xZErygM32dcb9_O4iQ9e=MU8=ya9BQbA@mail.gmail.com>

It seems from the list now that the academic and technical community
is separate from Civil Society and thus networks like GIGANET and
ISOC, IETF, and other regional bodies can nominate names.

Secondly, a point to note here is that IGC is not the only CS
stakeholder and there will be other CS groups that can add their
nominations to the process.

The number of the MAG is not being increased but there is now more
space for broader inclusion.

-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> And I guess the further question is how we address the academic part of the
> “academic and technical community” representation. Certainly in the past we
> have nominated academic representatives and we have many academics involved
> here.
>
> Interesting that the letter nominates firm membership quotas for the first
> time. Is that new?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
> Zukang on the MAG
>
> I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
> like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>
> We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>
> No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on –
> or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
> expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
> more than 4 of whom are current members?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
> Zukang on the MAG
>
> Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>
> Sala
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
> on the MAG.
>
> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>
> Best regards
>
> Chengetai
>
> Announcement
>
>
> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
> IGF.
>
> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
> running of the IGF.
>
> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
> –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
> group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
> members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the
> past.
>
> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
> suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
> can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
>
> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
> Government 25 16 9
> Private Sector 10 6 4
> Civil Society 10 6 4
> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>
>
>
>
> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
> template.
> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>
> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>
> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>
> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>
> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
> in between such meetings.
>
> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>
> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
> Governance Forum.
>
>                                                                                   (Signed)
>                                                                                   Sha
> Zukang
>
>       Under-Secretary-General
> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>
>
>
>
> Submission Template:
>
> Title: Surname:
> First name: Other names:
> Job Title(s)
> Organization(s):
> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
> Contact Email: Contact Phone:
> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
> Name put forward by:   Representing:
> Contact email :   Telephone:
>
> _______________________________________________
> igf_members mailing list
> igf_members at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 16:19:17 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:19:17 +0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
References: <CAJwbTiAcH2JRLQiCwB_VNnPheCa-90FzbVKMiUbwUq_rt3scew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
Message-ID: <CAHuaJtM=eo_510_8BDFHJ+Jm3r=5z-VpLt6_y4a+NoZJ5nXQ6g@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps we should encourage the coordinators to carry out the process
of nominations on a quicker basis.

It may be worth proposing to allow everyone interested to nominate
themselves for the final list. We can run the process as we did in the
past and forward a list of names with nominations more than 10.

Also, it may be worth considering that 4 existing members of the MAG
can stay. In that space, I would like to express my interest to
continue to serve on the MAG and would humbly request my name to be
included in that list.

Best

Fouad

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
> like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>
> We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>
> No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on –
> or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
> expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
> more than 4 of whom are current members?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
> Zukang on the MAG
>
>
> Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>
> Sala
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
> on the MAG.
>
> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>
> Best regards
>
> Chengetai
>
> Announcement
>
>
> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
> IGF.
>
> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
> running of the IGF.
>
> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
> –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
> group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
> members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the
> past.
>
> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
> suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
> can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
>
> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
> Government 25 16 9
> Private Sector 10 6 4
> Civil Society 10 6 4
> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>
>
>
>
> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
> template.
> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>
> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>
> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>
> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>
> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
> in between such meetings.
>
> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>
> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
> Governance Forum.
>
>                                                                                   (Signed)
>                                                                                   Sha
> Zukang
>
>       Under-Secretary-General
> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>
>
>
>
> Submission Template:
>
> Title: Surname:
> First name: Other names:
> Job Title(s)
> Organization(s):
> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
> Contact Email: Contact Phone:
> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
> Name put forward by:   Representing:
> Contact email :   Telephone:
>
> _______________________________________________
> igf_members mailing list
> igf_members at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
>
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>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 16:26:30 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:26:30 +1200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CAHuaJtM=eo_510_8BDFHJ+Jm3r=5z-VpLt6_y4a+NoZJ5nXQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwbTiAcH2JRLQiCwB_VNnPheCa-90FzbVKMiUbwUq_rt3scew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
	<CAHuaJtM=eo_510_8BDFHJ+Jm3r=5z-VpLt6_y4a+NoZJ5nXQ6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiAa6a5c9bGyuiJDnfygC=kB7mR2nO8zz__--aLPBTqpkg@mail.gmail.com>

Rest assured that Izumi and I will meet and discuss and revert to the list.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps we should encourage the coordinators to carry out the process
> of nominations on a quicker basis.
>
> It may be worth proposing to allow everyone interested to nominate
> themselves for the final list. We can run the process as we did in the
> past and forward a list of names with nominations more than 10.
>
> Also, it may be worth considering that 4 existing members of the MAG
> can stay. In that space, I would like to express my interest to
> continue to serve on the MAG and would humbly request my name to be
> included in that list.
>
> Best
>
> Fouad
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> wrote:
> > I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which
> looks
> > like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
> >
> > We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
> >
> > No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay
> on –
> > or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we
> should
> > expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
> > more than 4 of whom are current members?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> > <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
> > To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
> > Zukang on the MAG
> >
> >
> > Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
> >
> > Sala
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
> > Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
> > Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
> > To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha
> Zukang
> > on the MAG.
> >
> > The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that
> you
> > also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder
> groups.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Chengetai
> >
> > Announcement
> >
> >
> > The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
> > been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
> > IGF.
> >
> > We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
> > donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
> > running of the IGF.
> >
> > In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the
> rotation
> > and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic
> and
> > Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
> > –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
> > communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
> > countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
> > become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
> > bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
> > group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
> > members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in
> the
> > past.
> >
> > Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
> > suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
> > along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
> > can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
> >
> > Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
> > Government 25 16 9
> > Private Sector 10 6 4
> > Civil Society 10 6 4
> > Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
> > Total Number of Members  55 34 21
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of
> the
> > potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
> > email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
> > template.
> > It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
> > Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
> > event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
> > convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
> >
> > Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
> > (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
> > groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
> >
> > (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected
> to
> > have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
> >
> > (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
> > themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
> >
> > (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in
> Geneva,
> > Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
> > participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year
> through
> > continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG
> members
> > in between such meetings.
> >
> > (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to
> participate.
> >
> > Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
> > Governance Forum.
> >
> >
>                                                                                   (Signed)
> >
>                                                                                   Sha
> > Zukang
> >
> >       Under-Secretary-General
> > Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Submission Template:
> >
> > Title: Surname:
> > First name: Other names:
> > Job Title(s)
> > Organization(s):
> > City of Residence: Country of Residence:
> > Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
> > Contact Email: Contact Phone:
> > Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
> > Name put forward by:   Representing:
> > Contact email :   Telephone:
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > igf_members mailing list
> > igf_members at intgovforum.org
> > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
> >
> >
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 19:04:33 2011
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:34:33 -0430
Subject: [governance] Happy December holidays and New Year 2012 through an
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Dear colleagues and friends,

I hope you have some time to reflect on an extremely eventful year behind
us. Earlier this week, we held a quite dynamic webinar on the 10 main
developments in IG in 2011. The webinar discussion naturally evolved into
predictions of developments for 2012.  During the week of 9th of January,
we plan to held another webinar focusing on the 10 Main Developments in IG
in 2012. Please join us for this “crystal ball” exercise. More info will
follow via e-mail.

In Diplo tradition, we have prepared our 2012
calendar<http://www.diplomacy.edu/2012>.
As you can see from this link the calendar addresses some of current
concerns faced by individuals and institutions worldwide. If you would like
to receive the printed version of the calendar, please let us know your
address at calendar at diplomacy.edu

We wish you a very Happy New Year!

Warm wishes,
Ginger

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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 20:18:18 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:18:18 +1200
Subject: [governance] spammer not welcome
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com>wrote:

> Is there a way to turn off this spammer, aka samuel kamara <
> sam_kams at yahoo.com> ?
>

This is to advise that Samuel Kamara from Sierra Leone who has been a
member of this List for  48 weeks and 13 hours has been sent a warning. If
there is a second spam message from the member, he will be removed from the
list.

Kind Regards,
Sala

> - - -
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 14:19, samuel kamara <sam_kams at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> ...Don’t waste your money on cigarettes!
>> http://cochesclasicosparabodas.com/friends.group.php?jcySection=00i7
>>
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From iza at anr.org  Wed Dec 21 23:29:08 2011
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:29:08 +0800
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiAa6a5c9bGyuiJDnfygC=kB7mR2nO8zz__--aLPBTqpkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwbTiAcH2JRLQiCwB_VNnPheCa-90FzbVKMiUbwUq_rt3scew@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Avri and all for the postings.
I think it is largely the NomCom's job to solicit and select our candidates,
and coordinators will help them, but not take much initiative; correct me if
I am wrong.

izumi now in Kuala Lumpur

2011/12/22 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
> Rest assured that Izumi and I will meet and discuss and revert to the list.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps we should encourage the coordinators to carry out the process
>> of nominations on a quicker basis.
>>
>> It may be worth proposing to allow everyone interested to nominate
>> themselves for the final list. We can run the process as we did in the
>> past and forward a list of names with nominations more than 10.
>>
>> Also, it may be worth considering that 4 existing members of the MAG
>> can stay. In that space, I would like to express my interest to
>> continue to serve on the MAG and would humbly request my name to be
>> included in that list.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Fouad
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which
>> > looks
>> > like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>> >
>> > We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>> >
>> > No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay
>> > on –
>> > or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we
>> > should
>> > expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
>> > more than 4 of whom are current members?
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> > <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> > Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> > <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
>> > To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>> > Zukang on the MAG
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>> >
>> > Sala
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Begin forwarded message:
>> >
>> > From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>> > Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>> > Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>> > To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha
>> > Zukang
>> > on the MAG.
>> >
>> > The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that
>> > you
>> > also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder
>> > groups.
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Chengetai
>> >
>> > Announcement
>> >
>> >
>> > The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG)
>> > has
>> > been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of
>> > the
>> > IGF.
>> >
>> > We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>> > donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>> > running of the IGF.
>> >
>> > In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the
>> > rotation
>> > and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic
>> > and
>> > Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>> > –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>> > communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>> > countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>> > become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>> > bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
>> > group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
>> > members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in
>> > the
>> > past.
>> >
>> > Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>> > suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
>> > along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that
>> > groups
>> > can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
>> >
>> > Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>> > Government 25 16 9
>> > Private Sector 10 6 4
>> > Civil Society 10 6 4
>> > Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>> > Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of
>> > the
>> > potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>> > email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>> > template.
>> > It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
>> > Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
>> > event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
>> > convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>> >
>> > Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>> > (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>> > groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>> >
>> > (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected
>> > to
>> > have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>> >
>> > (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and
>> > main
>> > themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>> >
>> > (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in
>> > Geneva,
>> > Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
>> > participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year
>> > through
>> > continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG
>> > members
>> > in between such meetings.
>> >
>> > (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to
>> > participate.
>> >
>> > Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>> > Governance Forum.
>> >
>> >
>> >                                                                                   (Signed)
>> >
>> >                                                                                   Sha
>> > Zukang
>> >
>> >       Under-Secretary-General
>> > Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Submission Template:
>> >
>> > Title: Surname:
>> > First name: Other names:
>> > Job Title(s)
>> > Organization(s):
>> > City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>> > Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
>> > Contact Email: Contact Phone:
>> > Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
>> > Name put forward by:   Representing:
>> > Contact email :   Telephone:
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > igf_members at intgovforum.org
>> > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>> >
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From iza at anr.org  Wed Dec 21 23:34:36 2011
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:34:36 +0800
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Appeal for secure funding for Civil Society
 members to the CSTD IGF WG
In-Reply-To: <CA+YNoKia2AZqaXftyCjQdFUZYxzEAR6QBK7MK9ezR+cOKD8ONQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+YNoKjfCD0DauUEtqymMg=KjeVzHfN7iNbQN7uuGUmL8Ha8vA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,

Here follows is the letter of appeal I sent last night.

The situation is quite bad, that Mongi wrote back that
there is no funding, as two former sponsoring countries,
Finland and Switzerland, specified that they can only
sponsor people from Least Developed Countries (LDCs).

IF this so happens, we will only have Wolfgang and myself
in the next CSTD WG meeting in January.

izumi



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org>
Date: 2011/12/21
Subject: Appeal for secure funding for Civil Society members to the CSTD IGF WG
To: UN CSTD Working Group on Improvement to the IGF <WGIGF at list.unicc.org>
Cc: "peter.major" <peter.major at ties.itu.int>, Mongi Hamdi
<Mongi.Hamdi at unctad.org>, Stephanie Burel <Stephanie.Burel at unctad.org>


Dear members of the CSTD Working Group on Improvements to the IGF,

As you know, it was after much discussions and debate that the
composition of our working group was agreed to be multistakeholder,
which we consider as a significant step forward in UN's participative
processes.  However, de facto multistakeholderism requires not only
'allowing' but 'ensuring' full participation of all stakeholders. It
is for this reason that civil society participation from developing
countries in the WG was funded by CSTD.

However, we were told that it will no longer be possible to fund such
participation from developing countries. We asked the Chair and
Secretariat to reconsider such decision and the Secretariat replied
that they would try, but so far we have not heard the positive decision.

If this is the case, it will not enable the three WG civil society
members from developing
countries to attend the crucial last leg of the WG's work. Such
exclusion strikes at the very base of participative practices, and of
multistakeholderism. Improving participation in UN and other
governance processes has primarily to be aimed at bringing in voices
that get otherwise excluded and marginalised. But if civil society
participation has to be paid for, that really defeats the purpose of
opening us participation. If even the official members of committees
and working groups etc cannot be funded by the concerned governance
systems, there is little meaning in speaking about
multistakeholderism.

We therefore appeal to the WG, and to the Chair and the Secretariat of
the CSTD, to urgently reconsider its decision in this regard and
secure the funding for participation. With the holiday season so
close, there is not much time left to make preparations for the
concerned civil society members to attend the forthcoming meeting.

Thank you very much for your full consideration, support and positive outcome.

Izumi Aizu, together with
Anriette Esterhuysen
Marilia Maciel
Parminder Jeet Singh
Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
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From karim.attoumanimohamed at ties.itu.int  Thu Dec 22 02:02:27 2011
From: karim.attoumanimohamed at ties.itu.int (karim.attoumanimohamed at ties.itu.int)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:02:27 +0100
Subject: [governance] It affects U.S. all
Message-ID: <1324537347.4ef2d603bc8e2@gold.itu.ch>

Dear all,

My appologies if this was already shared

http://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-iran-may-have-captured-rq-170.html

After reading this post, I think we can measure the impact of malicious activity
on the net in general and this gives us a real picture on what we can espected
to have soon. 

Everyone wonders if what he is entering on the keyboard is not read somewhere.
But this individual fear was soon obscured by collective fear if we know that
from now people (good or bad, from the north or south) can turn off an economy
by a simple clic. 

Today we are encouraged to have or adopt electronic systems everywhere and that
interconnected with other countries but we don't advise or sensitize people and
govs how to protect themselves.

I think the next war, if it's not already present will be on/by the Internet and
not for the Internet.

Karim, Comoros


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From ajp at glocom.ac.jp  Thu Dec 22 05:56:38 2011
From: ajp at glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:56:38 +0900
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
 Zukang on the MAG
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Sala, Izumi: sounds good.

Does someone have a copy of the terms of 
reference (for want of a better way of 
describing) people selected will be expected to 
follow (communicate with civil society, to the 
extent possible represent the views of the caucus 
not their own flights of fancy, etc.)  I expect 
there was something for the last selection 
process.  Would be good to share that with the 
list as soon as possible.

Adam



>Thanks Avri and all for the postings.
>I think it is largely the NomCom's job to solicit and select our candidates,
>and coordinators will help them, but not take much initiative; correct me if
>I am wrong.
>
>izumi now in Kuala Lumpur
>
>2011/12/22 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro 
><salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>:
>>  Rest assured that Izumi and I will meet and discuss and revert to the list.
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Perhaps we should encourage the coordinators to carry out the process
>>>  of nominations on a quicker basis.
>>>
>>>  It may be worth proposing to allow everyone interested to nominate
>>>  themselves for the final list. We can run the process as we did in the
>>>  past and forward a list of names with nominations more than 10.
>>>
>>>  Also, it may be worth considering that 4 existing members of the MAG
>>>  can stay. In that space, I would like to express my interest to
>>>  continue to serve on the MAG and would humbly request my name to be
>>>  included in that list.
>>>
>>>  Best
>>>
>>>  Fouad
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  > I¹m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which
>>>  > looks
>>>  > like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>>>  >
>>>  > We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>>>  >
>>>  > No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay
>>>  > on ­
>>>  > or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we
>>>  > should
>>>  > expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
>>>  > more than 4 of whom are current members?
>>>  >
>>>  > Ian
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > ________________________________
>>>  > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>>  > <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>>  > Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>>  > <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>>  > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
>>>  > To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>>  > Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>>>  > Zukang on the MAG
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>>>  >
>>>  > Sala
>>>  >
>>>  > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Begin forwarded message:
>>>  >
>>>  > From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>>>  > Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>>>  > Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>>>  > To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>>>  >
>>>  > Dear All,
>>>  >
>>>  > Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha
>>>  > Zukang
>>>  > on the MAG.
>>>  >
>>>  > The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that
>>>  > you
>>>  > also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder
>>>  > groups.
>>>  >
>>>  > Best regards
>>>  >
>>>  > Chengetai
>>>  >
>>>  > Announcement
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG)
>>>  > has
>>>  > been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of
>>>  > the
>>>  > IGF.
>>>  >
>>>  > We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>>>  > donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>>>  > running of the IGF.
>>>  >
>>>  > In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the
>>>  > rotation
>>>  > and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic
>>>  > and
>>>  > Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>  >> > ­government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>>>  > communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>>>  > countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>>>  > become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>>>  > bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
>>>  > group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
>>>  > members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in
>>>  > the
>>>  > past.
>>>  >
>>>  > Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>>>  > suggested that two thirds of each group¹s membership be renewed in 2012
>>>  > along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that
>>>  > groups
>>>  > can resubmit names of current MAG members¹ for re-election.
>>>  >
>>>  > Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>>>  > Government 25 16 9
>>>  > Private Sector 10 6 4
>>>  > Civil Society 10 6 4
>>>  > Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>>>  > Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of
>>>  > the
>>>  > potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>>>  > email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>>>  > template.
>>>  > It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
>>>  > Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
>>>  > event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
>>>  > convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>>>  >
>>>  > Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>>>  > (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>>>  > groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>>>  >
>>>  > (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected
>>>  > to
>>>  > have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>>>  >
>>>  > (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and
>>>  > main
>>>  > themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>>>  >
>>>  > (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in
>>>  > Geneva,
>>>  > Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
>>>  > participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year
>>>  > through
>>>  > continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG
>>>  > members
>>>  > in between such meetings.
>>>  >
>>>  > (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to
>>>  > participate.
>>>  >
>>>  > Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>>>  > Governance Forum.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > 
>>>(Signed)
>>>  >
>>>  > 
>>>Sha
>>>  > Zukang
>>>  >
>>>  >       Under-Secretary-General
>>>  > Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Submission Template:
>>>  >
>>>  > Title: Surname:
>>>  > First name: Other names:
>>>  > Job Title(s)
>>>  > Organization(s):
>>>  > City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>>>  > Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
>>>  > Contact Email: Contact Phone:
>>>  > Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
>>>  > Name put forward by:   Representing:
>>>  > Contact email :   Telephone:
>>>  >
>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > igf_members mailing list
>>>  > igf_members at intgovforum.org
>>>  > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
>>>  >
>>>  >
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From iza at anr.org  Thu Dec 22 08:00:54 2011
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:00:54 +0900
Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
Message-ID: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,
I have handed Jeremy with $200 in cash yesterday taking advantage of
my visit to Kuala Lumpur where Jeremy is stationed. We agreed that
this will be used for securing the independent server via commercial
hosting service, and to migrate both the website and the mailing list
server functions from the existing hosts. Jeremy will work on these
with our current host masters, APC and CSPR, and make sure the
transition be smooth. $200 should be enough for the next two years
of operation.

As for the funding, I put my money first. I plan to collect the voluntary
contributions in the coming year. Something like $10 or $ 20 each from
any individuals. First, hoping to use the opportunities
of Geneva meetings, CSTD WG in January and IGF/MAG open
consultation meetings in February, and perhaps also other
meetings. I will report these contributions with their names and
amounts if they wish to be disclosed.

Setting up an independent bank account maybe another option, but
at this point, with small amount of $200, I think we do not have to
bother that.

We can further investigate the feasibility of micorpayments,
but so far it seems we anyway need a credit card account of someone
to be the recipient of these services.

Any comments and suggestions are of course very much welcome.

izumi
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From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:21:32 2011
From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:21:32 -0400
Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
In-Reply-To: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC0JwGPRoeSvJ9n4ZVhrbzghF8FN1Gi7QJmGJQd5LkYTAvsxRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Izumi,

Paypal may be the best option since it does not require a Merchant Account
setup and p2p payments can be made via email.

Rgds,

Tracy
On Dec 22, 2011 9:01 AM, "Izumi AIZU" <iza at anr.org> wrote:

> Dear list,
> I have handed Jeremy with $200 in cash yesterday taking advantage of
> my visit to Kuala Lumpur where Jeremy is stationed. We agreed that
> this will be used for securing the independent server via commercial
> hosting service, and to migrate both the website and the mailing list
> server functions from the existing hosts. Jeremy will work on these
> with our current host masters, APC and CSPR, and make sure the
> transition be smooth. $200 should be enough for the next two years
> of operation.
>
> As for the funding, I put my money first. I plan to collect the voluntary
> contributions in the coming year. Something like $10 or $ 20 each from
> any individuals. First, hoping to use the opportunities
> of Geneva meetings, CSTD WG in January and IGF/MAG open
> consultation meetings in February, and perhaps also other
> meetings. I will report these contributions with their names and
> amounts if they wish to be disclosed.
>
> Setting up an independent bank account maybe another option, but
> at this point, with small amount of $200, I think we do not have to
> bother that.
>
> We can further investigate the feasibility of micorpayments,
> but so far it seems we anyway need a credit card account of someone
> to be the recipient of these services.
>
> Any comments and suggestions are of course very much welcome.
>
> izumi
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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 22 08:29:17 2011
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:29:17 +0500
Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
In-Reply-To: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014c01ccc0ad$b6b74100$2425c300$@yahoo.com>

Fine and Thanks Izumi, 
It's good to protect the online presence and the mailing list.
I agree that the bank account for a petty cash is not necessary yet, and
term of Cash-in-hand may be used.
Thanks
Imran
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
> Behalf Of Izumi AIZU
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 06:01 PM
> To: Governance List
> Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
> 
> Dear list,
> I have handed Jeremy with $200 in cash yesterday taking advantage of my
> visit to Kuala Lumpur where Jeremy is stationed. We agreed that this will
be
> used for securing the independent server via commercial hosting service,
> and to migrate both the website and the mailing list server functions from
> the existing hosts. Jeremy will work on these with our current host
masters,
> APC and CSPR, and make sure the transition be smooth. $200 should be
> enough for the next two years of operation.
> 
> As for the funding, I put my money first. I plan to collect the voluntary
> contributions in the coming year. Something like $10 or $ 20 each from any
> individuals. First, hoping to use the opportunities of Geneva meetings,
CSTD
> WG in January and IGF/MAG open consultation meetings in February, and
> perhaps also other meetings. I will report these contributions with their
> names and amounts if they wish to be disclosed.
> 
> Setting up an independent bank account maybe another option, but at this
> point, with small amount of $200, I think we do not have to bother that.
> 
> We can further investigate the feasibility of micorpayments, but so far it
> seems we anyway need a credit card account of someone to be the recipient
> of these services.
> 
> Any comments and suggestions are of course very much welcome.
> 
> izumi
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 08:33:47 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:33:47 -0400
Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
In-Reply-To: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+YNoKjC4hi8nHpMBO3PewfSAsyqUhO2SHbXymAKTSdGmzCDtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN7HhcfRmCKHk5BjqJ=apseLWYFbtEbS4LRBA1Dw6am-Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Izumi,
Thank you.
I hope that next year is a happy one for all of us
Deirdre

On 22 December 2011 09:00, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:

> Dear list,
> I have handed Jeremy with $200 in cash yesterday taking advantage of
> my visit to Kuala Lumpur where Jeremy is stationed. We agreed that
> this will be used for securing the independent server via commercial
> hosting service, and to migrate both the website and the mailing list
> server functions from the existing hosts. Jeremy will work on these
> with our current host masters, APC and CSPR, and make sure the
> transition be smooth. $200 should be enough for the next two years
> of operation.
>
> As for the funding, I put my money first. I plan to collect the voluntary
> contributions in the coming year. Something like $10 or $ 20 each from
> any individuals. First, hoping to use the opportunities
> of Geneva meetings, CSTD WG in January and IGF/MAG open
> consultation meetings in February, and perhaps also other
> meetings. I will report these contributions with their names and
> amounts if they wish to be disclosed.
>
> Setting up an independent bank account maybe another option, but
> at this point, with small amount of $200, I think we do not have to
> bother that.
>
> We can further investigate the feasibility of micorpayments,
> but so far it seems we anyway need a credit card account of someone
> to be the recipient of these services.
>
> Any comments and suggestions are of course very much welcome.
>
> izumi
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 12:44:08 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:44:08 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?All_the_Companies_Supporting_SOPA?=
 =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=2C_the_Awful_Internet_Censorship_Law=97and_How_to_Conta?=
 =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ct_Them?=
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  All the Companies Supporting SOPA, the Awful Internet Censorship
  Law—and How to Contact Them <http://gizmodo.com/5870241>

Who's officially on the record backing what could be the worst thing to 
ever happen to the internet 
<http://gizmodo.com/5868545/the-stop-online-piracy-act-and-you-a-primer?tag=sopa>? 
All of these companies listed below. Don't take our word for it—this 
list comes straight from Congress. Just FYI.

If you want to get in touch, we've provided a contact list below. Maybe 
you want to let them know how you feel about SOPA.

SOPA Supporters <http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters>60 
Plus Association: info at 60plus.org <mailto:info at 60plus.org>

ABC: http://abc.go.com/site/contact-us

Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP): 703-539-ASOP (2767)

American Federation of Musicians (AFM): presoffice at afm.org 
<mailto:presoffice at afm.org>

American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA): (212) 532-0800

American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP): 
atoczylowski at ascap.com <mailto:atoczylowski at ascap.com>

Americans for Tax Reform: ideas at atr.org <mailto:ideas at atr.org>

Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States: iatsepac at iatse-intl.org 
<mailto:iatsepac at iatse-intl.org>

Association of American Publishers (AAP): asporkin at publishers.org 
<mailto:asporkin at publishers.org>

Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies: bob at mcconnell.net 
<mailto:bob at mcconnell.net>

Association of Talent Agents (ATA): rnoval at agentassociation.com 
<mailto:rnoval at agentassociation.com>

Baker & Hostetler LLP: dholcombe at bakerlaw.com 
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From sam_kams at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 04:56:19 2011
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..I’ll be very glad if you visit this site as soon as possible!  http://mabsan.com/friends.group.php?kjqSubCategoryId=57v7
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From b.schombe at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 10:34:28 2011
From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:34:28 +0100
Subject: [governance] Voluntary contributions for the server migration
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Dear Izumi and all,

Ok for next year, my contribution will be made.
IF I can be in Geneva on may also.


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2011/12/22 Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org>

> Dear list,
> I have handed Jeremy with $200 in cash yesterday taking advantage of
> my visit to Kuala Lumpur where Jeremy is stationed. We agreed that
> this will be used for securing the independent server via commercial
> hosting service, and to migrate both the website and the mailing list
> server functions from the existing hosts. Jeremy will work on these
> with our current host masters, APC and CSPR, and make sure the
> transition be smooth. $200 should be enough for the next two years
> of operation.
>
> As for the funding, I put my money first. I plan to collect the voluntary
> contributions in the coming year. Something like $10 or $ 20 each from
> any individuals. First, hoping to use the opportunities
> of Geneva meetings, CSTD WG in January and IGF/MAG open
> consultation meetings in February, and perhaps also other
> meetings. I will report these contributions with their names and
> amounts if they wish to be disclosed.
>
> Setting up an independent bank account maybe another option, but
> at this point, with small amount of $200, I think we do not have to
> bother that.
>
> We can further investigate the feasibility of micorpayments,
> but so far it seems we anyway need a credit card account of someone
> to be the recipient of these services.
>
> Any comments and suggestions are of course very much welcome.
>
> izumi
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From avri at acm.org  Fri Dec 23 10:42:30 2011
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:42:30 -0500
Subject: [governance] [] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <CAHuaJtN5GNwWBPBGA=xZErygM32dcb9_O4iQ9e=MU8=ya9BQbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com> <CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com> <CAHuaJtN5GNwWBPBGA=xZErygM32dcb9_O4iQ9e=MU8=ya9BQbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

First let me say that I don't have any idea what is actually going to happen since it has been almost a year since I last worked for the IGF secretariat. My comments are based on past experience, and as they say past results are no guarantee of future performance - it is very difficult to predict DESA behavior now that Markus' guiding hand is missing from the mix.

If this year's process is anything like previous year's, DESA will be provided with a greater number of names than there are places on the MAG.  From these lists of nominees, they will attempt to create a MAG that is distributed in terms of diversity on aspects stakeholder group, gender, nationality, types of experience, etc…  Also remembering that MAG members participate as individuals, they often belong to several of the categories, both CS and Academic, both Internet Community and Private Sector, all of  Internet Community, Private Sector and Government advisor,  and other multiple hat combinations.

I recommend that our Nomcom, which I believe we constituted several months ago in anticipation of this day, should attempt to submit a list of names of people who represent the diversity of Civil society participants.  If some are also Academics or Internet Community, I think that is a good thing, since they can be placed under several categories and increase the diversity of the MAG while providing as much Civil Society orientation as possible.  I do not think we should limit our list to 10 names, though I do think it advisable to have a slate of 10 names that is a diverse as our Nomcom can make it with a strong list of alternate selections.  I also do not think we should worry about what other groups such as Giganet etc might contribute to the mix of nominees on their own.  And if some names end up on multiple lists, all the better.

I also don't think it is all that critical for us to pay attention to the numbers in each of the categories at this point, what is most important is that we make sure we have a set of nominees who we think will do the work in such a way as to include the interests of Civil Society as expressed on this list and in other Civil Society venues and who we can trust to act as intermediaries who will not become a MAG-elite or only serve their organization of origin, but who will keep the IGC intimately involved in  the process.  We have had some very fine MAG members in the past, and we have had some less fine members in the past and even had some absentee members.  In terms of keeping current MAG members, I think the Nomcom needs to review their levels of activity and the degree to which they kept the IGC informed. I also do not think they should renew anyone who already served 3 consecutive years or more.  I think that any of those who wish to continue should make a positive statement to that effect and should tell us what they have contributed, what they intend to contribute and why they want to continue in the role.

I look forward to hearing from the Chair of the IGC's IGF Nomcom that was set up in readiness for the process on how they intend to run the process.  Hopefully they already have a set of criteria read for publication so that this process can be completed in the required 5 weeks interval.

Finally, I think we need to start working on the search for funding as there will, if things are as they were in the past, only be limited support funding and this will be limited to MAG members from Least Developed Countries and not take into account the pecuniary status of all almost all CS volunteers, no matter where they come from.

avri


On 21 Dec 2011, at 16:13, Fouad Bajwa wrote:

> It seems from the list now that the academic and technical community
> is separate from Civil Society and thus networks like GIGANET and
> ISOC, IETF, and other regional bodies can nominate names.
> 
> Secondly, a point to note here is that IGC is not the only CS
> stakeholder and there will be other CS groups that can add their
> nominations to the process.
> 
> The number of the MAG is not being increased but there is now more
> space for broader inclusion.
> 
> -- 
> Regards.
> --------------------------
> Fouad Bajwa
> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>> And I guess the further question is how we address the academic part of the
>> “academic and technical community” representation. Certainly in the past we
>> have nominated academic representatives and we have many academics involved
>> here.
>> 
>> Interesting that the letter nominates firm membership quotas for the first
>> time. Is that new?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>> Zukang on the MAG
>> 
>> I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
>> like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>> 
>> We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>> 
>> No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on –
>> or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
>> expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
>> more than 4 of whom are current members?
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>> Zukang on the MAG
>> 
>> Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>> 
>> Sala
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
>> on the MAG.
>> 
>> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
>> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Chengetai
>> 
>> Announcement
>> 
>> 
>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
>> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
>> IGF.
>> 
>> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>> running of the IGF.
>> 
>> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
>> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
>> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>> –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
>> group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
>> members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the
>> past.
>> 
>> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>> suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
>> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
>> can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
>> 
>> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>> Government 25 16 9
>> Private Sector 10 6 4
>> Civil Society 10 6 4
>> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
>> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>> template.
>> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
>> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
>> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
>> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>> 
>> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>> 
>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
>> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>> 
>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
>> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>> 
>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
>> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
>> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
>> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
>> in between such meetings.
>> 
>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>> 
>> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>> Governance Forum.
>> 
>>                                                                                   (Signed)
>>                                                                                   Sha
>> Zukang
>> 
>>       Under-Secretary-General
>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Fri Dec 23 11:09:55 2011
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:09:55 +0100
Subject: AW: [governance] [] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
References: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
 <CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
 <CAHuaJtN5GNwWBPBGA=xZErygM32dcb9_O4iQ9e=MU8=ya9BQbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Avri
 
two points:
 
1. I fully support Avris approach. Very balanced, very constructive. Very wise. 
 
2. We should raise the funding issue for CS very strongly. We will raise this issue also in the next meeting of the CSTD IGF Improvement WG in early January in Geneva. There has to be a mechanism in place which allows selected members of CS to participate in the meeting. It is unacceptable, that individuals, representing civil society has to pay three times for participants in groups like the MAG: They pay the governmental reps via their taxes, they pay for the private sector members by buying their products and then they have to pay for thesmelves (and very often no mones is left over for the third payment). 
 
Best wishes and enjoy your holidays.
 
wolfgang 

________________________________

Von: governance at lists.cpsr.org im Auftrag von Avri Doria
Gesendet: Fr 23.12.2011 16:42
An: IGC
Betreff: Re: [governance] [] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG



Hi,

First let me say that I don't have any idea what is actually going to happen since it has been almost a year since I last worked for the IGF secretariat. My comments are based on past experience, and as they say past results are no guarantee of future performance - it is very difficult to predict DESA behavior now that Markus' guiding hand is missing from the mix.

If this year's process is anything like previous year's, DESA will be provided with a greater number of names than there are places on the MAG.  From these lists of nominees, they will attempt to create a MAG that is distributed in terms of diversity on aspects stakeholder group, gender, nationality, types of experience, etc...  Also remembering that MAG members participate as individuals, they often belong to several of the categories, both CS and Academic, both Internet Community and Private Sector, all of  Internet Community, Private Sector and Government advisor,  and other multiple hat combinations.

I recommend that our Nomcom, which I believe we constituted several months ago in anticipation of this day, should attempt to submit a list of names of people who represent the diversity of Civil society participants.  If some are also Academics or Internet Community, I think that is a good thing, since they can be placed under several categories and increase the diversity of the MAG while providing as much Civil Society orientation as possible.  I do not think we should limit our list to 10 names, though I do think it advisable to have a slate of 10 names that is a diverse as our Nomcom can make it with a strong list of alternate selections.  I also do not think we should worry about what other groups such as Giganet etc might contribute to the mix of nominees on their own.  And if some names end up on multiple lists, all the better.

I also don't think it is all that critical for us to pay attention to the numbers in each of the categories at this point, what is most important is that we make sure we have a set of nominees who we think will do the work in such a way as to include the interests of Civil Society as expressed on this list and in other Civil Society venues and who we can trust to act as intermediaries who will not become a MAG-elite or only serve their organization of origin, but who will keep the IGC intimately involved in  the process..  We have had some very fine MAG members in the past, and we have had some less fine members in the past and even had some absentee members.  In terms of keeping current MAG members, I think the Nomcom needs to review their levels of activity and the degree to which they kept the IGC informed. I also do not think they should renew anyone who already served 3 consecutive years or more.  I think that any of those who wish to continue should make a positive statement to that effect and should tell us what they have contributed, what they intend to contribute and why they want to continue in the role.

I look forward to hearing from the Chair of the IGC's IGF Nomcom that was set up in readiness for the process on how they intend to run the process.  Hopefully they already have a set of criteria read for publication so that this process can be completed in the required 5 weeks interval.

Finally, I think we need to start working on the search for funding as there will, if things are as they were in the past, only be limited support funding and this will be limited to MAG members from Least Developed Countries and not take into account the pecuniary status of all almost all CS volunteers, no matter where they come from.

avri


On 21 Dec 2011, at 16:13, Fouad Bajwa wrote:

> It seems from the list now that the academic and technical community
> is separate from Civil Society and thus networks like GIGANET and
> ISOC, IETF, and other regional bodies can nominate names.
>
> Secondly, a point to note here is that IGC is not the only CS
> stakeholder and there will be other CS groups that can add their
> nominations to the process.
>
> The number of the MAG is not being increased but there is now more
> space for broader inclusion.
>
> --
> Regards.
> --------------------------
> Fouad Bajwa
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>> And I guess the further question is how we address the academic part of the
>> "academic and technical community" representation. Certainly in the past we
>> have nominated academic representatives and we have many academics involved
>> here.
>>
>> Interesting that the letter nominates firm membership quotas for the first
>> time. Is that new?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>> Zukang on the MAG
>>
>> I'm trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
>> like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>>
>> We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>>
>> No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on -
>> or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
>> expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
>> more than 4 of whom are current members?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>> Zukang on the MAG
>>
>> Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>>
>> Sala
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
>> on the MAG.
>>
>> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
>> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Chengetai
>>
>> Announcement
>>
>>
>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
>> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
>> IGF.
>>
>> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>> running of the IGF.
>>
>> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
>> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
>> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>> -government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
>> group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
>> members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the
>> past.
>>
>> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>> suggested that two thirds of each group's membership be renewed in 2012
>> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
>> can resubmit names of current MAG members' for re-election.
>>
>> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>> Government 25 16 9
>> Private Sector 10 6 4
>> Civil Society 10 6 4
>> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
>> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>> template.
>> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
>> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
>> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
>> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>>
>> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>>
>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
>> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>>
>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
>> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>>
>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
>> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
>> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
>> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
>> in between such meetings.
>>
>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>>
>> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>> Governance Forum.
>>
>>                                                                                   (Signed)
>>                                                                                   Sha
>> Zukang
>>
>>       Under-Secretary-General
>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Submission Template:
>>
>> Title: Surname:
>> First name: Other names:
>> Job Title(s)
>> Organization(s):
>> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
>> Contact Email: Contact Phone:
>> Brief relevant biography of not more than 300 words )
>> Name put forward by:   Representing:
>> Contact email :   Telephone:
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> igf_members mailing list
>> igf_members at intgovforum.org
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 14:31:11 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:31:11 +0500
Subject: [governance] [] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <E7D0AE8F-EBA4-4686-9291-472DC8E60441@acm.org>
References: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
	<CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
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I share my +1 to the recommendations Avri but I am also a bit
concerned about the issue of mention of MAG "elite". Who are the MAG
elite and why to keep it a hush hush?

From my experience and being from MAG, the IGC discussions, dialogues
and collective statements have led our interventions and inputs into
the MAG. If one would like to audit this, transcripts from open
consultations and MAG meetings can be audited. I believe that at no
point did any IGC member that was also a member of the MAG play any
negative role or enact a possible 'elite' role.

In my personal experience, I have myself been involved deeply in the
presentation and struggle for getting IGC views in perspective on the
table post open consultations and in front of the MAG. I have also
witnessed many other CS reps not supporting equally IGC collective
inputs. An example is the are of Human Rights as well as Development.

I must also share that the current IGC MAG members also helped in
creating mutual support for opening up MAG meetings to the broader
stakeholder community participants as well as generating the
opportunities to encourage the input of views from non-MAG members.

I still believe that personal perspectives aside, the IGC MAG members
have played an important role over the years to help evolve the IGF.
The IG4D Internet Governance for Development is such an example of an
important area that was brought in back to the IGF as a main session
in Vilnius and further mainstreamed across the IGF in Kenya. Some
efforts should be sustained as well.

As the issue also remains that four names are to be continued from the
existing MAG, IGC should also determine the people it would like to
keep on the MAG. As far as myself is concerned, I believe that IGCs
efforts in support of IG4D and Human Rights should continue to be
strong and I will continue to participate in and take these issues
forward.

As we have seen in the tactical and organized interventions of other
stakeholder groups in the MAG, something like that has always been
desired for CS actors. Again, IGC is not the only CS actor and other
names will also be coming in from many other organizations across the
globe that participate within the IGF and these organizations can
belong to a variety of backgrounds.

IGC's efforts should begin through NOMCOM to evolve a strong MAG
representative group that despite their individual capacity can also
carry forward IGC community's interests within the Internet Public
Policy dialogue space. Being competitive is not an option, its a
necessity, less hats, the better, more responsive to CS needs is a
requirement and being actually from CS should be well considered.

This may also be read as my personal statement.

-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First let me say that I don't have any idea what is actually going to happen since it has been almost a year since I last worked for the IGF secretariat. My comments are based on past experience, and as they say past results are no guarantee of future performance - it is very difficult to predict DESA behavior now that Markus' guiding hand is missing from the mix.
>
> If this year's process is anything like previous year's, DESA will be provided with a greater number of names than there are places on the MAG.  From these lists of nominees, they will attempt to create a MAG that is distributed in terms of diversity on aspects stakeholder group, gender, nationality, types of experience, etc…  Also remembering that MAG members participate as individuals, they often belong to several of the categories, both CS and Academic, both Internet Community and Private Sector, all of  Internet Community, Private Sector and Government advisor,  and other multiple hat combinations.
>
> I recommend that our Nomcom, which I believe we constituted several months ago in anticipation of this day, should attempt to submit a list of names of people who represent the diversity of Civil society participants.  If some are also Academics or Internet Community, I think that is a good thing, since they can be placed under several categories and increase the diversity of the MAG while providing as much Civil Society orientation as possible.  I do not think we should limit our list to 10 names, though I do think it advisable to have a slate of 10 names that is a diverse as our Nomcom can make it with a strong list of alternate selections.  I also do not think we should worry about what other groups such as Giganet etc might contribute to the mix of nominees on their own.  And if some names end up on multiple lists, all the better.
>
> I also don't think it is all that critical for us to pay attention to the numbers in each of the categories at this point, what is most important is that we make sure we have a set of nominees who we think will do the work in such a way as to include the interests of Civil Society as expressed on this list and in other Civil Society venues and who we can trust to act as intermediaries who will not become a MAG-elite or only serve their organization of origin, but who will keep the IGC intimately involved in  the process.  We have had some very fine MAG members in the past, and we have had some less fine members in the past and even had some absentee members.  In terms of keeping current MAG members, I think the Nomcom needs to review their levels of activity and the degree to which they kept the IGC informed. I also do not think they should renew anyone who already served 3 consecutive years or more.  I think that any of those who wish to continue should make a positive statement to that effect and should tell us what they have contributed, what they intend to contribute and why they want to continue in the role.
>
> I look forward to hearing from the Chair of the IGC's IGF Nomcom that was set up in readiness for the process on how they intend to run the process.  Hopefully they already have a set of criteria read for publication so that this process can be completed in the required 5 weeks interval.
>
> Finally, I think we need to start working on the search for funding as there will, if things are as they were in the past, only be limited support funding and this will be limited to MAG members from Least Developed Countries and not take into account the pecuniary status of all almost all CS volunteers, no matter where they come from.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 21 Dec 2011, at 16:13, Fouad Bajwa wrote:
>
>> It seems from the list now that the academic and technical community
>> is separate from Civil Society and thus networks like GIGANET and
>> ISOC, IETF, and other regional bodies can nominate names.
>>
>> Secondly, a point to note here is that IGC is not the only CS
>> stakeholder and there will be other CS groups that can add their
>> nominations to the process.
>>
>> The number of the MAG is not being increased but there is now more
>> space for broader inclusion.
>>
>> --
>> Regards.
>> --------------------------
>> Fouad Bajwa
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>> And I guess the further question is how we address the academic part of the
>>> “academic and technical community” representation. Certainly in the past we
>>> have nominated academic representatives and we have many academics involved
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Interesting that the letter nominates firm membership quotas for the first
>>> time. Is that new?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:42:21 +1100
>>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>>> Zukang on the MAG
>>>
>>> I’m trying to understand the implications of this for our Nomcom which looks
>>> like having a busy time to get names in by January 31.
>>>
>>> We should forward 10 names (or perhaps more?)
>>>
>>> No more than 4 should be current members who we are nominating to stay on –
>>> or if we nominate more than 4 of the current members to stay on,  we should
>>> expand our pool beyond 10 by that number to allow for a choice of 10, no
>>> more than 4 of whom are current members?
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:31:08 +1200
>>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha
>>> Zukang on the MAG
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri for sending the notice.
>>>
>>> Sala
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Chengetai Masango <CMASANGO at unog.ch>
>>> Subject: [igf_members] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
>>> Date: 21 December 2011 13:37:10 EST
>>> To: igf Forum <igf_members at intgovforum.org>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Please find below an announcement by Under-Secretary-General Mr. Sha Zukang
>>> on the MAG.
>>>
>>> The information has been posted on the IGF Website and I kindly ask that you
>>> also disseminate the information amongst your respective stakeholder groups.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Chengetai
>>>
>>> Announcement
>>>
>>>
>>> The Internet Governance Forum's Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) has
>>> been instrumental in planning the programme of the annual meetings of the
>>> IGF.
>>>
>>> We would like to express our gratitude to all members of MAG, who have
>>> donated their time, effort and valuable guidance in ensuring the smooth
>>> running of the IGF.
>>>
>>> In light of the established principles and practices of MAG on the rotation
>>> and selection of its members, the United Nations Department of Economic and
>>> Social Affairs (DESA), therefore, requests all stakeholder groups
>>> –government, private sector, civil society, and technical and academic
>>> communities- to submit names of candidates from developed and developing
>>> countries, as well as from economies in transition,  to be considered to
>>> become part of MAG to contribute to the multistakeholder process
>>> bringing  the perspectives on Internet governance from their respective
>>> group for a period of one year. It is recommended that group nominees be
>>> members who have actively participated in IGF meetings and activities in the
>>> past.
>>>
>>> Owing to the fact that the renewal process was not done in 2011, it is
>>> suggested that two thirds of each group’s membership be renewed in 2012
>>> along the guidelines provided in the table below. Please note that groups
>>> can resubmit names of current MAG members’ for re-election.
>>>
>>> Groups Current Status Number to Renew Number to Stay
>>> Government 25 16 9
>>> Private Sector 10 6 4
>>> Civil Society 10 6 4
>>> Academic and Technical Communities 10 6 4
>>> Total Number of Members  55 34 21
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be appreciated if respective groups could submit the names of the
>>> potential candidates to the IGF Secretariat by  31 January 2012 via
>>> email: magrenewal2011 at intgovforum.org  using the attached submission
>>> template.
>>> It should be noted that plans are underway to have the next Open
>>> Consultation and MAG Meeting take place on 14 - 16 February 2011. In the
>>> event that the renewed MAG is not on board by then, the current MAG will
>>> convene at this time and the renewed MAG will convene in May.
>>>
>>> Accordingly to the established principles and practices,
>>> (i) Members of MAG are selected to achieve balance among all stakeholder
>>> groups, representing all regions and attaining gender equality;
>>>
>>> (ii) All MAG members serve in their personal capacity, but are expected to
>>> have extensive linkages with their respective stakeholder groups;
>>>
>>> (iii) The main task of MAG is to provide advice on the programme and main
>>> themes of the next meeting of the Internet Governance Forum;
>>>
>>> (iv) MAG members are expected to attend two to three MAG meetings in Geneva,
>>> Switzerland, in addition to the annual IGF meeting, as well as to
>>> participate actively in the preparatory process throughout the year through
>>> continuous engagement in the online multilateral dialogue among MAG members
>>> in between such meetings.
>>>
>>> (v) MAG meetings are open to Intergovernmental organizations to participate.
>>>
>>> Thank you and I look forward to the continuous success of the Internet
>>> Governance Forum.
>>>
>>>                                                                                   (Signed)
>>>                                                                                   Sha
>>> Zukang
>>>
>>>       Under-Secretary-General
>>> Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Submission Template:
>>>
>>> Title: Surname:
>>> First name: Other names:
>>> Job Title(s)
>>> Organization(s):
>>> City of Residence: Country of Residence:
>>> Nationality: Stakeholder Group:
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>>>
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 17:20:07 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:20:07 +0300
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove content
Message-ID: <CACAaNxjqYjFSrqA3V9hX5U_3T5dJONyYvjmMBrK0d=e1jZMMdg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cpj.org/2011/12/indian-court-orders-internet-sites-to-remove-conte.php

Google, et. al. spending Christmas Eve in court:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-22/internet/30546317_1_summons-internet-companies-yahoo


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From roland at internetpolicyagency.com  Fri Dec 23 17:38:34 2011
From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:38:34 +0000
Subject: [governance] [] Announcement by USG Mr. Sha Zukang on the MAG
In-Reply-To: <E7D0AE8F-EBA4-4686-9291-472DC8E60441@acm.org>
References: <CB1881CD.1F782%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
 <CB188D0A.1F787%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>
 <CAHuaJtN5GNwWBPBGA=xZErygM32dcb9_O4iQ9e=MU8=ya9BQbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <E7D0AE8F-EBA4-4686-9291-472DC8E60441@acm.org>
Message-ID: <8xsmOmgqLQ9OFA$k@internetpolicyagency.com>

In message <E7D0AE8F-EBA4-4686-9291-472DC8E60441 at acm.org>, at 10:42:30 
on Fri, 23 Dec 2011, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> writes
>First let me say that I don't have any idea what is actually going to 
>happen since it has been almost a year since I last worked for the IGF 
>secretariat. My comments are based on past experience, and as they say 
>past results are no guarantee of future performance

I have had little first hand experience of the IGF/MAG for a similar 
amount of time, so a similar disclaimer applies. Having looked at the 
IGF website today I can only see one recorded change in the MAG 
membership since 2009 (changing the representative from the Vilnius 
host, which doesn't really count).

>I also do not think they should renew anyone who already served 3 
>consecutive years or more.

In view of the reduced rotation in recent years, my own list (which I 
think is up to date, but see above) shows only 21 MAG members appointed 
since 2009 (where three years would be up in May 2012) and 22 since 
2008.

I doubt if the "number to stay" mentioned in Chengetai's email is 
intended to be exactly those 21 persons, because that means bidding 
farewell to all of the rest regardless of their merits.

Therefore I'd advise any stakeholder group to look at all of their 
current MAG members when deciding who to re-nominate. Having been in the 
process since 2006 hasn't been a bar to re-appointment in the past. On 
the other hand, it's completely OK for a stakeholder group to decide to 
voluntarily retire all its members except those appointed in 2009 - 
which gives the class of 2009 a four year tenure.

But assuming that class of 2009 then all retire in 2013, you'll have 2/3 
of the members from then on having only one or zero years experience. 
Another reason perhaps not to replace simply on a first-in-first-out 
basis.

My current membership tally is as follows:

Appointed in 2010: (1)
Appointed in 2009: 20
Appointed in 2008:  1
Appointed in 2007: 17
Appointed in 2006: 16

[I'm using British English for "Class of" - the year you started, not 
finished].
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 17:42:51 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:42:51 +1200
Subject: [governance] A Perspective on 2011
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiDv+G1Tx-AGCX7YFr0n=ct3o10CY2YRRLc6WxCy+hwdFg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

2011 has been a tremendously volatile year with natural disasters such as
the Tsunamis, cyclones, earthquakes and flooding. The Tohoku earthquake
claimed 15, 842 deaths and is recorded to be the most expensive natural
disaster in world history. Damaging three nuclear reactors, as a nation,
Japan is still rebuilding and coming to terms with what hit them. The
floods in Thailand and Brisbane, Australia shook their countries. The
European Financial Crisis continues to rear its head and threaten economies
in a time where economies have increased in their dependency on each other.

Shaking the Internet community and perhaps in premonition of how the year
was going to turn out, the Egyptian government ordered service providers to
shut down all international connections to the internet. The rise of the
Arab Springs revolution from within Egypt, Tunisia and the fall of
Gadaffi's stronghold in Tripoli and Libya has triggered changes in social
consciousness, communities and societies where the world as we know it can
never be the same again. The impact that it has had in triggering worldwide
movements and social consciousness from Occupy Wall Street to countries all
around the world have led Governments to feel threatened about the
potential impact that such movements can have over nations and regions and
we are seeing strict laws emerge all over the world to clamp down online
democracy.

The creation of elite armies to hunt down dissidents on the internet as is
in the case of Syria and Iran and the alleged mistreatment of Ai Wei Wei by
the Chinese Government.

Then came versions of copyright infringement laws as trademark lobbyists
all over the world attempt a global clamp down on online copyright,
trademark and intellectual property infringements online from New Zealand's
three strikes law, to US SOPA etc. Censorship has been redefined.

Freedom of expression on the Internet is under siege. It was encouraging to
see the culmination of consultations in Frank La Rue's report to the Human
Rights Council. It was predicted that the Report would form key reference
to how countries should treat online content.

We saw challenges to extra territorial jurisdiction when a New York Judge
issued orders ordering all RIRs around the world to comply following what
was declared as the largest Global Botnet investigations.

It was heartening to see the Burmese government relax censorship on online
content and whether it is because they fear sanctions, is another story.

One thing is certain, we are living in unprecedented times in human history
and the challenges in internet governance are many. This year's Internet
Governance Forum in Nairobi saw continuous dialogue, debate happen in more
ways than one. This year also saw a record number of remote participation
from the remote hubs to the global Internet Governance Forum.

It is to this end that  I would like to congratulate each and everyone on
the list on the most excellent work rendered this year. May we continue to
share our learnings, experiences and resources.

For those of you who celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas! For those that
don't celebrate Christmas, Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays! if you
want to escape the cold winter, please come and visit Fiji for a swim with
dolphins. ;)



-- 
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 18:19:08 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:19:08 +1200
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.cpj.org/2011/12/indian-court-orders-internet-sites-to-remove-conte.php
>
> Google, et. al. spending Christmas Eve in court:
>
>
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-22/internet/30546317_1_summons-internet-companies-yahoo
>
> This is interesting McTim, we can monitor outcomes such as Orders or
> Judgments via  http://www.liiofindia.org/in/cases/dl/INDLHC/2011/  but I
> suspect that there will be some time before this happens.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
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> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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From alilunga at yahoo.fr  Fri Dec 23 22:41:19 2011
From: alilunga at yahoo.fr (Alain Ilunga)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:41:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [governance] A Perspective on 2011
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiDv+G1Tx-AGCX7YFr0n=ct3o10CY2YRRLc6WxCy+hwdFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwbTiDv+G1Tx-AGCX7YFr0n=ct3o10CY2YRRLc6WxCy+hwdFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1324698079.76240.YahooMailNeo@web24006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear all,

After reading this excellent perspective on 2011, I need to share the link below on freedom of expression obstruction in the DRC.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/23122011-dr-congo-sms-messaging-suspended-until-further-notice/ 

 
Alain ILUNGA NGOIE
alilunga at yahoo.fr
+243818135453

Kinshasa
République Démocratique du Congo




>________________________________
> De : Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>À : governance at lists.cpsr.org 
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 23 Décembre 2011 23h42
>Objet : [governance] A Perspective on 2011
> 
>
>Dear All,
>
>
>2011 has been a tremendously volatile year with natural disasters such as the Tsunamis, cyclones, earthquakes and flooding. The Tohoku earthquake claimed 15, 842 deaths and is recorded to be the most expensive natural disaster in world history. Damaging three nuclear reactors, as a nation, Japan is still rebuilding and coming to terms with what hit them. The floods in Thailand and Brisbane, Australia shook their countries. The European Financial Crisis continues to rear its head and threaten economies in a time where economies have increased in their dependency on each other. 
>
>
>Shaking the Internet community and perhaps in premonition of how the year was going to turn out, the Egyptian government ordered service providers to shut down all international connections to the internet. The rise of the Arab Springs revolution from within Egypt, Tunisia and the fall of Gadaffi's stronghold in Tripoli and Libya has triggered changes in social consciousness, communities and societies where the world as we know it can never be the same again. The impact that it has had in triggering worldwide movements and social consciousness from Occupy Wall Street to countries all around the world have led Governments to feel threatened about the potential impact that such movements can have over nations and regions and we are seeing strict laws emerge all over the world to clamp down online democracy. 
>
>
>The creation of elite armies to hunt down dissidents on the internet as is in the case of Syria and Iran and the alleged mistreatment of Ai Wei Wei by the Chinese Government. 
>
>
>Then came versions of copyright infringement laws as trademark lobbyists all over the world attempt a global clamp down on online copyright, trademark and intellectual property infringements online from New Zealand's three strikes law, to US SOPA etc. Censorship has been redefined. 
>
>
>Freedom of expression on the Internet is under siege. It was encouraging to see the culmination of consultations in Frank La Rue's report to the Human Rights Council. It was predicted that the Report would form key reference to how countries should treat online content.
>
>
>We saw challenges to extra territorial jurisdiction when a New York Judge issued orders ordering all RIRs around the world to comply following what was declared as the largest Global Botnet investigations. 
>
>
>It was heartening to see the Burmese government relax censorship on online content and whether it is because they fear sanctions, is another story. 
>
>
>One thing is certain, we are living in unprecedented times in human history and the challenges in internet governance are many. This year's Internet Governance Forum in Nairobi saw continuous dialogue, debate happen in more ways than one. This year also saw a record number of remote participation from the remote hubs to the global Internet Governance Forum.
>
>It is to this end that  I would like to congratulate each and everyone on the list on the most excellent work rendered this year. May we continue to share our learnings, experiences and resources. 
>
>
>For those of you who celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas! For those that don't celebrate Christmas, Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays! if you want to escape the cold winter, please come and visit Fiji for a swim with dolphins. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
>
>Tweeter: @SalanietaT
>Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
>Cell: +679 998 2851
> 
>
>
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 07:38:09 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:38:09 +0500
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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Message-ID: <CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
online or offline?

-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
<salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.cpj.org/2011/12/indian-court-orders-internet-sites-to-remove-conte.php
>>
>> Google, et. al. spending Christmas Eve in court:
>>
>>
>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-12-22/internet/30546317_1_summons-internet-companies-yahoo
>>
>> This is interesting McTim, we can monitor outcomes such as Orders or
>> Judgments via  http://www.liiofindia.org/in/cases/dl/INDLHC/2011/  but I
>> suspect that there will be some time before this happens.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
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From dogwallah at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 07:42:38 2011
From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:42:38 +0300
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
> online or offline?
>


Promted? no

Protected? Certainly.

And we don't know if this content is indeed inciting at all.

What might be inciting for you, may be harmless to me (or your neighbor).


-- 
Cheers,

McTim
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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Sat Dec 24 21:31:26 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 03:31:26 +0100
Subject: [governance] Happy December holidays and New Year 2012 through
 an IG crystal ball
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Dear Ginger,

Thank you for the wishes and gift.

Hope 2012, shall bring the WORLD great opportunities for Internet synergies.

Wishing you, friends and families a blissful holiday.

Sonigitu

On 22 Dec 2011 01:05, "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

 Dear colleagues and friends,

I hope you have some time to reflect on an extremely eventful year behind
us. Earlier this week, we held a quite dynamic webinar on the 10 main
developments in IG in 2011. The webinar discussion naturally evolved into
predictions of developments for 2012.  During the week of 9th of January,
we plan to held another webinar focusing on the 10 Main Developments in IG
in 2012. Please join us for this “crystal ball” exercise. More info will
follow via e-mail.

In Diplo tradition, we have prepared our 2012
calendar<http://www.diplomacy.edu/2012>.
As you can see from this link the calendar addresses some of current
concerns faced by individuals and institutions worldwide. If you would like
to receive the printed version of the calendar, please let us know your
address at calendar at diplomacy.edu

We wish you a very Happy New Year!

Warm wishes,
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque
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Diplo Foundation
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From briceabba at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 25 07:16:01 2011
From: briceabba at hotmail.com (Abba Behou Brice)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:16:01 +0000
Subject: [governance] Happy December holidays and New Year 2012 through
 an IG crystal ball
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References: <CALCecM8ds1JHh1VKT65Bzb3UK=Q_M=P9FZSq_XjnaEuCPPSQMQ@mail.gmail.com> <CALLeeasOCUHxNTCfJO4y7vZrVdFNX06JiP+umhbtdDfq631vgA@mail.gmail.com> <CALLeeasHOonuRwmJoJvNENKKfsonQ-2XjpDoNMnyKbnmFBzOXA@mail.gmail.com>
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Heri ya Chrismas na Mwaka Mpya (swahili)
 
Joyeux Noel à Tous.
Merry Christmas to all.
Feliz Navidad a todos.
Frohe Weihnachten an alle.
Buon Natale a tutti.
kontan Noel pou tout moun.
Feliz Natal para todos

Envoyé de mon iPhone 4

Le 25 déc. 2011 à 02:31, Sonigitu Ekpe <sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> a écrit :

> Dear Ginger,
> 
> Thank you for the wishes and gift.
> 
> Hope 2012, shall bring the WORLD great opportunities for Internet synergies.
> 
> Wishing you, friends and families a blissful holiday.
> 
> Sonigitu
> 
>> On 22 Dec 2011 01:05, "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear colleagues and friends,
>> 
>> I hope you have some time to reflect on an extremely eventful year behind us. Earlier this week, we held a quite dynamic webinar on the 10 main developments in IG in 2011. The webinar discussion naturally evolved into predictions of developments for 2012.  During the week of 9th of January, we plan to held another webinar focusing on the 10 Main Developments in IG in 2012. Please join us for this “crystal ball” exercise. More info will follow via e-mail.
>> 
>> In Diplo tradition, we have prepared our 2012 calendar. As you can see from this link the calendar addresses some of current concerns faced by individuals and institutions worldwide. If you would like to receive the printed version of the calendar, please let us know your address at calendar at diplomacy.edu
>> 
>> We wish you a very Happy New Year!
>> 
>> Warm wishes,
>> Ginger
>> 
>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>> IGCBP Online Courses
>> Diplo Foundation
>> www.diplomacy.edu/
>> 
>> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>> 
>> The latest from Diplo:  Learn about Internet governance and ICT policy: enrol for the 2012 Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme more info
>> 
>> 
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From miezanezo at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 09:38:55 2011
From: miezanezo at gmail.com (miezanezo at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:38:55 +0100
Subject: [governance] Happy December holidays and New Year 2012 through
 an IG crystal ball
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References: <CALCecM8ds1JHh1VKT65Bzb3UK=Q_M=P9FZSq_XjnaEuCPPSQMQ@mail.gmail.com> <CALLeeasOCUHxNTCfJO4y7vZrVdFNX06JiP+umhbtdDfq631vgA@mail.gmail.com> <CALLeeasHOonuRwmJoJvNENKKfsonQ-2XjpDoNMnyKbnmFBzOXA@mail.gmail.com> <BLU0-SMTP339110B4D9A724DF8539B7EB0A90@phx.gbl>
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Merry Xmas a toi Brice 
-- 
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www.fossfa.net


Abba Behou Brice <briceabba at hotmail.com> a écrit :


Heri ya Chrismas na Mwaka Mpya (swahili)

 

Joyeux Noel à Tous.

Merry Christmas to all.

Feliz Navidad a todos.

Frohe Weihnachten an alle.

Buon Natale a tutti.

kontan Noel pou tout moun.

Feliz Natal para todos


Envoyé de mon iPhone 4


Le 25 déc. 2011 à 02:31, Sonigitu Ekpe <sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> a écrit :

Dear Ginger, 

Thank you for the wishes and gift.

Hope 2012, shall bring the WORLD great opportunities for Internet synergies.

Wishing you, friends and families a blissful holiday.

Sonigitu 

On 22 Dec 2011 01:05, "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear colleagues and friends,

I hope you have some time to reflect on an extremely eventful year behind us. Earlier this week, we held a quite dynamic webinar on the 10 main developments in IG in 2011. The webinar discussion naturally evolved into predictions of developments for 2012.  During the week of 9th of January, we plan to held another webinar focusing on the 10 Main Developments in IG in 2012. Please join us for this “crystal ball” exercise. More info will follow via e-mail.

In Diplo tradition, we have prepared our 2012 calendar. As you can see from this link the calendar addresses some of current concerns faced by individuals and institutions worldwide. If you would like to receive the printed version of the calendar, please let us know your address at calendar at diplomacy.edu

We wish you a very Happy New Year!

Warm wishes,
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque
IGCBP Online Courses
Diplo Foundation
www.diplomacy.edu/

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu

The latest from Diplo:  Learn about Internet governance and ICT policy: enrol for the 2012 Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme more info




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From roland at internetpolicyagency.com  Sun Dec 25 11:59:40 2011
From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:59:40 +0000
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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 <CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com>
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on Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> writes
>Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
>online or offline?

Questions such as this are fundamental to the debate regarding 
censorship and what is acceptable in order to assure that users of the 
Internet are not restricted in what they can say.

As soon as you impose restrictions, who gets to decide which are valid 
and which aren't?
-- 
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From tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn  Sun Dec 25 13:38:31 2011
From: tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn (tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:38:31 +0100
Subject: [governance] Season's greetings
Message-ID: <004501ccc334$6698afe0$33ca0fa0$@planet.tn>

Dear all,

 

In this end of the year, I would like to wish you a very happy new year full
of good health, more success and plenty of joy.

For the Christians, I wish you a merry Christmas and for thither religious
of other religion, I wish you all the best.

 

I do hope that 2012 will be much better than 2011 for all of you, for the
Internet end users and for the whole ICANN. 

 

----------------------------------------------------------

Tijani BEN JEMAA

Executive Director

Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations

Phone : + 216 70 825 231

Mobile : + 216 98 330 114

Fax     : + 216 70 825 231

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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 25 20:22:40 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 06:22:40 +0500
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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References: <CACAaNxjqYjFSrqA3V9hX5U_3T5dJONyYvjmMBrK0d=e1jZMMdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<u5JicnU8Z19OFAsu@internetpolicyagency.com>
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Some nations do try to regulate such online content or simply block
out such content from being accessed by their local citizenry. The
ones outside the country obviously retain access to it. The question
then becomes, how much do countries actually realize expression online
and how many restrict that expression which of course is censorship
and then what actions they take as witnessed in the Indian case and
the Pakistani Facebook cases. The current actions are just like the
Ostrich sticking its head into the ground or the pigeon tucking its
head under its wing but no real world dialogue to understand and solve
the issues at hand but again....long story.

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Roland Perry
<roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
> on Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> writes
>
>> Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
>> online or offline?
>
>
> Questions such as this are fundamental to the debate regarding censorship
> and what is acceptable in order to assure that users of the Internet are not
> restricted in what they can say.
>
> As soon as you impose restrictions, who gets to decide which are valid and
> which aren't?
> --
> Roland Perry
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From nb at bollow.ch  Sun Dec 25 20:45:17 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 02:45:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
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	<CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
> online or offline?

The reality is that very often, attempts to suppress unwholesome
content actually contribute to raising awareness about it,
effectively promoting it.

Greetings,
Norbert
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From avri at acm.org  Mon Dec 26 01:33:13 2011
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:33:13 -0500
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
Message-ID: <B1DF9041-D8A9-4C61-930D-3616DD3C4317@acm.org>

Hi,

The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the holiday does not inconvenience anyone.  

It should not be unreachable for long.

avri

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From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 06:48:45 2011
From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:48:45 -0400
Subject: [governance] Microsoft's Shameful PIPA Support
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Does this qualify for a discussion?

From:
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/12/26/for-shame-microsofts-continued-support-of-the-protect-ip-act-is-disgraceful/

While the Internet’s convulsions in response to the Stop Online Piracy Act
(SOPA) reach fever pitch, its sister legislation, which is winding its way
through the Senate, has been relatively untouched. That’s a crying shame.
Even worse, a company that has either tempered or pulled its support for
SOPA is all guns for the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA), and that’s an outrage.

I’m talking about Microsoft.

The company, which through its publicly known financing of the Business
Software Alliance was funding SOPA, received a bit of a breather from
public criticism when that organization admitted that the bill was flawed
and required more work before it could be passed. And the Internet
rejoiced. What an impact, some said, look at what we have done.

However, while Microsoft has pulled some of its direct-but-proxy support
for SOPA, the company remains publicly in favor of the PROTECT IP Act. Just
for a reminder, both PIPA and SOPA draw from the failed Combating Online
Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA). PIPA is the Senate’s bill, while
SOPA belongs to the House. They are intellectual siblings. To oppose one is
to oppose the other, giving their massive similarities. I suspect that to
reconcile the two for ratification would not be a difficult process.

To the issue at hand. Microsoft, while now theoretically against SOPA,
remains on the record and in the record as in favor of PIPA. From its own
posts:

"[T]he Senate Judiciary Committee will consider the Preventing Real Online
Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of
2011 – the PROTECT IP Act. We support the goals and approach of this
important legislation, and urge the committee to report it.

The PROTECT IP Act is aimed at providing new tools to challenge the
proliferation of “rogue sites” — Internet sites that are dedicated to
infringing content or counterfeit goods. It would establish both
governmental and private rights of action in an effort to address what the
U.S. Chamber of Commerce estimates to be a multi-billion dollar a year
problem that threatens U.S. creators and innovators, places U.S. consumers
at risk, harms our economy and costs American jobs."

No, no, and no again. Microsoft, by supporting the PROTECT IP Act, is
effectively saying that it is not against SOPA at all, as it is in favor of
its twin. Therefore, at best its, again by proxy, removal of its support
for SOPA by having the BSA (we presume that it had a role in the decision)
change its tone is disingenuous. It is, to use the word, canard.

Therefore I say ‘for shame!’ as Microsoft has done nothing but support
broken legislation by coming out in favor of PIPA, and has shown little
more than bad faith in its cowardly handling of SOPA. A company that
purports to be an industry-leading technology firm would do well to not
support legislation that harms the very field that it claims to provide
leadership to.

Change your tune Microsoft, and reverse your PIPA and SOPA support. Now.
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From roland at internetpolicyagency.com  Mon Dec 26 12:14:04 2011
From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:14:04 +0000
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
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References: <CACAaNxjqYjFSrqA3V9hX5U_3T5dJONyYvjmMBrK0d=e1jZMMdg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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In message 
<CAHuaJtPfRrUkRQO2Nxs1BP0BAfX+qEJYSePJ0ybAHSX-RsR1bQ at mail.gmail.com>, at 
06:22:40 on Mon, 26 Dec 2011, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> writes
>Some nations do try to regulate such online content or simply block
>out such content from being accessed by their local citizenry. The
>ones outside the country obviously retain access to it. The question
>then becomes, how much do countries actually realize expression online
>and how many restrict that expression which of course is censorship
>and then what actions they take as witnessed in the Indian case and
>the Pakistani Facebook cases. The current actions are just like the
>Ostrich sticking its head into the ground or the pigeon tucking its
>head under its wing but no real world dialogue to understand and solve
>the issues at hand but again....long story.

One way to examine the situation is to try to work out which is the 
greater "right": for someone to freely insult or distress me, or for me 
to protected from those who would insult or distress me.

It doesn't help when different cultures have different values when it 
comes to defining what an "insult" or "causing distress" might be. To 
that extent, sometimes people will look to their government to apply 
some broad-brush rules on their behalf.

>On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Roland Perry
><roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>> on Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> writes
>>
>>> Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
>>> online or offline?
>>
>>
>> Questions such as this are fundamental to the debate regarding censorship
>> and what is acceptable in order to assure that users of the Internet are not
>> restricted in what they can say.
>>
>> As soon as you impose restrictions, who gets to decide which are valid and
>> which aren't?
>> --
>> Roland Perry
>>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 16:14:42 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:14:42 +1200
Subject: [governance] Microsoft's Shameful PIPA Support
In-Reply-To: <CAC0JwGNQqNDvgEATmX4jD7+R70U1cnuY6pq4Btc6r2=9-JTA8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC0JwGPdtBwH2DFass0h69MpSwrekA6EM7VnfPWKhNMjjMsGtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0JwGNQqNDvgEATmX4jD7+R70U1cnuY6pq4Btc6r2=9-JTA8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiByx4EgEdN0sgint5TfwDseaa5owkhMtzAAr9pCtW7Tqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <
tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does this qualify for a discussion?
>
Yes of course. This list is open for any threads related to internet
governance and intellectual property falls within this zone. WIPO Head has
been on record for saying things like the web would have been better had it
been patented, see:
http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo
-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html

Also Nick Ashton Hart's previous posts to the list on the matter shows the
ongoing battle to be heard in that particular Forum.




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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 16:47:29 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:47:29 +1200
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
In-Reply-To: <NAy6i5NctK+OFACB@internetpolicyagency.com>
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	<CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<u5JicnU8Z19OFAsu@internetpolicyagency.com>
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>
>
>>
> One way to examine the situation is to try to work out which is the
> greater "right": for someone to freely insult or distress me, or for me to
> protected from those who would insult or distress me.
>
> It doesn't help when different cultures have different values when it
> comes to defining what an "insult" or "causing distress" might be. To that
> extent, sometimes people will look to their government to apply some
> broad-brush rules on their behalf.
>


For example Dan Brown's book on the Da Vinci Code and Salman Rushdie's book
on the Satanic Verses come to mind. Both incited ill feeling (putting it
mildly) in communities around the world who felt that their religious views
were trampled upon.  As such Freedom of Expression is something that people
in this day and age cannot take for granted. We continue to see threats
against Freedom of Expression from Congo as Alain Ilunga showed us in his
email to the list highlighting threats :
http://www.eurasiareview.com/23122011-dr-congo-sms-messaging-suspended-until-further-notice/
 .

>
>


> This was debated in the early seventies in the United States in * Cohen v
> California *469 U.S. 879; 105 S. Ct. 243;83 L. Ed. 2d 182; 1984 U.S.  I
> am not certain whether this has been overturned. It's about Freedom of
> expression and involved a guy wearing a Jacket saying, "Fuck the Draft" in
> the Court corridors in a time where they were sending young men off to way
> ("Draft"). The entire judgment or brief is available on the website. It is
> possible that the judgment has been overturned am not certain but it is
> useful to see the kind of debate that occurs.
>



Frank La Rue (Special Rapporteur) in his Report to the Human Rights Council
(accessible via
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdf)


states in page 8 of the Report that any limitation to the right of freedom
of expression must pass a *three-part cumulative test* (excerpt from Report
are highlighted below):-



*(a) It must be provided by law, which is clear and accessible to everyone
(principles of predictability and transparency); and*

*(b) It must pursue one of the purposes set out in article 19, paragraph 3,
of the Covenant, namely (i) to protect the rights or reputations of others,
or (ii) to protect national security or of public order, or of public
health or morals (principle of legitimacy); and*

*(c) It must be proven as necessary and the least restrictive means
required to achieve the purported aim (principles of necessity and
proportionality).*

*Moreover, any legislation restricting the right to freedom of expression
must be applied by a body which is independent of any political,
commercial, or other unwarranted influences in a manner that is neither
arbitrary nor discriminatory, and with adequate safeguards against abuse,
including the possibility of challenge and remedy against its abusive
application.*

*25. As such, legitimate types of information which may be restricted
include child pornography (to protect the rights of children),8 hate speech
(to protect the rights of affected communities),9 defamation (to protect
the rights and reputation of others against unwarranted attacks), direct
and public incitement to commit genocide (to protect the rights of
others),10 and advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that
constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence (to protect
the rights of others, such as the right to life).*

 Rui Correia had also suggested a book for reading to the IGC list some
time ago on the list which was published by UNESCO called
Freedom of Connection Freedom of Expression: The Changing Legal and
Regulatory Ecology Shaping the Internet (http://www.amazon.com/Freedom
-Connection-Expression
-Changing-Regulatory/dp/9231041886/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319404985&sr=8-1)

This should make excellent reading, I am sure although I have not read it
yet. :(
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 21:07:04 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:07:04 +1200
Subject: [governance] Updates on Nom Com [Message from Coordinators]
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiDLwbraFKYiOJAbFfzzx_jWLYonVeDxawL=NTjAxwGwaw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

Warm Greetings to you all and hope that you are all in excellent health and
enjoying the December Holidays (cold winter for some and others hot
summer)! :):)
*
*
*Nom Com has begun Work*
*
*
This is to advise that the Nom Com have begun work in putting together a
Selection Criteria and we have invited them to consult with the entire list
on the Selection Criteria as well as to update the list. Izumi and I as
co-coordinators of the IGC *will not* be involved with the selection and
this will be left to the NomCom.

It will be great for the List and the community to continue to give
feedback on the criteria and transition strategies. The Nom Com will be in
touch via the IGC list so keep an eye out.

Best Regards,
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 21:08:01 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:08:01 +1200
Subject: [governance] Re: Updates on Nom Com [Message from Coordinators]
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiDLwbraFKYiOJAbFfzzx_jWLYonVeDxawL=NTjAxwGwaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJwbTiDLwbraFKYiOJAbFfzzx_jWLYonVeDxawL=NTjAxwGwaw@mail.gmail.com>
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This is in relation to MAG Appointments

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Warm Greetings to you all and hope that you are all in excellent health
> and enjoying the December Holidays (cold winter for some and others hot
> summer)! :):)
> *
> *
> *Nom Com has begun Work*
> *
> *
> This is to advise that the Nom Com have begun work in putting together a
> Selection Criteria and we have invited them to consult with the entire list
> on the Selection Criteria as well as to update the list. Izumi and I as
> co-coordinators of the IGC *will not* be involved with the selection and
> this will be left to the NomCom.
>
> It will be great for the List and the community to continue to give
> feedback on the criteria and transition strategies. The Nom Com will be in
> touch via the IGC list so keep an eye out.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Izumi & Sala
>
>
>


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From pranesh at cis-india.org  Tue Dec 27 11:56:02 2011
From: pranesh at cis-india.org (Pranesh Prakash)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:26:02 +0530
Subject: [governance] Indian court orders Internet sites to remove
 content
In-Reply-To: <CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAaNxjqYjFSrqA3V9hX5U_3T5dJONyYvjmMBrK0d=e1jZMMdg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJwbTiAhbYHATMmzD0JoTz1i5QGqQogd0CJoEQpVKOc_LhscQg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHuaJtP6fgssVKGnR9KOZyGQ+FQDPuQwd=LbKDAM-srkDfDTDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF9F8A2.8080208@cis-india.org>

Fouad Bajwa [2011-12-24 18:08]:
> Should content inciting religious hatred be promoted at all whether
> online or offline?

Should "anti-religious" material be prohibited at all whether online or
offline?  According to newspaper reports this is what one of the two
recent court orders required.

- Pranesh

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 16:16:41 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:16:41 -0400
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
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References: <B1DF9041-D8A9-4C61-930D-3616DD3C4317@acm.org>
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Thank you Avri, and best wishes for the season.
Deirdre

On 26 December 2011 02:33, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring
> igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy
> as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for
> about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an
> end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the
> holiday does not inconvenience anyone.
>
> It should not be unreachable for long.
>
> avri
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From avri at acm.org  Wed Dec 28 10:08:40 2011
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:08:40 -0500
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
In-Reply-To: <B1DF9041-D8A9-4C61-930D-3616DD3C4317@acm.org>
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Hi,

The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org/> is reachable again as the transfer is complete and the the new record has propagated through the network.

avri

On 26 Dec 2011, at 01:33, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the holiday does not inconvenience anyone.  
> 
> It should not be unreachable for long.
> 
> avri
> 

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From nyangkweagien at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 10:42:29 2011
From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:42:29 +0100
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
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References: <B1DF9041-D8A9-4C61-930D-3616DD3C4317@acm.org>
	<208B5AAC-2A8F-4D56-9562-C856916AE6C9@acm.org>
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Thanks Avri

All the best for 2012.

More red feathers to your cap

Aaron

On 12/28/11, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org/> is reachable again as the
> transfer is complete and the the new record has propagated through the
> network.
>
> avri
>
> On 26 Dec 2011, at 01:33, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring
>> igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy
>> as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for
>> about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an
>> end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the
>> holiday does not inconvenience anyone.
>>
>> It should not be unreachable for long.
>>
>> avri
>>
>
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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Wed Dec 28 13:51:06 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:51:06 +0100
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
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	<208B5AAC-2A8F-4D56-9562-C856916AE6C9@acm.org>
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	<CALLeeat7pH0NMGVZCZ4XHiK6N9RYnV_x53Mi4-xacE_53ZiwkA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear list,

With people like Avri the World will be a freely respectful place. Let the
good WILL of MOTHER Nature grant you and us ALL a brighter 2012.

Thank you for all your efforts inclusive of ALL of our great friends and
fellows on the list and off list.

Sonigitu Ekpe  aka Sea

On 28 Dec 2011 16:42, "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Avri

All the best for 2012.

More red feathers to your cap

Aaron


On 12/28/11, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org...
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From sam_kams at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 13:55:57 2011
From: sam_kams at yahoo.com (samuel kamara)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:55:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] 
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..Oh! It’s amazing! I’ve never tried anything better!  http://guiadoagito.com.br/friends.group.php?tylucky=40n3
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 15:08:50 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:08:50 +1200
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
In-Reply-To: <208B5AAC-2A8F-4D56-9562-C856916AE6C9@acm.org>
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	<208B5AAC-2A8F-4D56-9562-C856916AE6C9@acm.org>
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Dear Avri,

Thank you for the "transfer".

Kind Regards,
Sala

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org/> is reachable again as the
> transfer is complete and the the new record has propagated through the
> network.
>
> avri
>
> On 26 Dec 2011, at 01:33, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring
> igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy
> as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for
> about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an
> end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the
> holiday does not inconvenience anyone.
> >
> > It should not be unreachable for long.
> >
> > avri
> >
>
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From avri at acm.org  Wed Dec 28 15:31:07 2011
From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:31:07 -0500
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiDDN01RpEu0V4QEGTJk9DaQV_pnve=yb7L+5nP-+qCcFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

Thank you all.

The heavy lifting is being done by Jeremy who is actually setting up the server.
It is just he is doing it without disrupting any IGC services so is much less visible.

With best wishes for 2012 to all, and with hope for a successful year for civil society in Internet governance.

avri


On 28 Dec 2011, at 15:08, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:

> Dear Avri,
> 
> Thank you for the "transfer".
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Sala
> 
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org/> is reachable again as the transfer is complete and the the new record has propagated through the network.
> 
> avri
> 
> On 26 Dec 2011, at 01:33, Avri Doria wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am transferring igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I had at GoDaddy as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from there for about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to make an end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during the holiday does not inconvenience anyone.
> >
> > It should not be unreachable for long.
> >
> > avri
> >
> 
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 16:01:01 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:01:01 -0400
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
In-Reply-To: <D24CD534-57AC-4BC1-BACB-628E5654840E@acm.org>
References: <B1DF9041-D8A9-4C61-930D-3616DD3C4317@acm.org> <208B5AAC-2A8F-4D56-9562-C856916AE6C9@acm.org>
 <CAJwbTiDDN01RpEu0V4QEGTJk9DaQV_pnve=yb7L+5nP-+qCcFQ@mail.gmail.com> <D24CD534-57AC-4BC1-BACB-628E5654840E@acm.org>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN6gYPMrxpiaSyS5Zz1=PyM+XgpV3KbQSYN4i+DM-PSZ3A@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like we should be saying 'thank you Jeremy' too.
Perhaps the safest thing is thank you to all involved, and best wishes to
everyone for 2012.
Deirdre

On 28 December 2011 16:31, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thank you all.
>
> The heavy lifting is being done by Jeremy who is actually setting up the
> server.
> It is just he is doing it without disrupting any IGC services so is much
> less visible.
>
> With best wishes for 2012 to all, and with hope for a successful year for
> civil society in Internet governance.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 28 Dec 2011, at 15:08, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
> > Dear Avri,
> >
> > Thank you for the "transfer".
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Sala
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The IGC website at <http://www.igcaucus.org/> is reachable again as the
> transfer is complete and the the new record has propagated through the
> network.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 26 Dec 2011, at 01:33, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The IGC website may be unreachable  for a few hours.  I am
> transferring igcaucus.org between registrars - this was the last name I
> had at GoDaddy as I have been transferring all the domain names i hold from
> there for about a year now.  Figured now was as good a time as any time to
> make an end of it.  Hope this short outage on the caucus web site during
> the holiday does not inconvenience anyone.
> > >
> > > It should not be unreachable for long.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> >
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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Wed Dec 28 16:16:13 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:16:13 +0100
Subject: [governance] transferring registrars for igcaucus web site
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+1 to Williams point.

Thank you All for the success.

Sea

On 28 Dec 2011 22:01, "Deirdre Williams" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like we should be saying 'thank you Jeremy' too.
Perhaps the safest thing is thank you to all involved, and best wishes to
everyone for 2012.
Deirdre



On 28 December 2011 16:31, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you all.
>
> The hea...

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From y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu  Thu Dec 29 02:08:09 2011
From: y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu (Yuliya Morenets)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:08:09 +0000
Subject: [governance] Happy December holidays and New Year 2012 through
 an IG crystal ball
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Dear all,

I would like to wish all the best for the coming new year 2012 and happy
moments during this festive season.

Best regards,
Yuliya Morenets
TaC-Together against Cybercrime

Le 25/12/2011, "miezanezo at gmail.com" <miezanezo at gmail.com> a écrit:

>Merry Xmas a toi Brice
>--
>Yves Miezan Ezo
>www.miezanezo.org
>www.chala.biz
>www.isoc.fr
>www.fossfa.net
>
>
>Abba Behou Brice <briceabba at hotmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
>Heri ya Chrismas na Mwaka Mpya (swahili)
>
>
>
>Joyeux Noel à Tous.
>
>Merry Christmas to all.
>
>Feliz Navidad a todos.
>
>Frohe Weihnachten an alle.
>
>Buon Natale a tutti.
>
>kontan Noel pou tout moun.
>
>Feliz Natal para todos
>
>
>Envoyé de mon iPhone 4
>
>
>Le 25 déc. 2011 à 02:31, Sonigitu Ekpe <sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng> a écrit :
>
>Dear Ginger,
>
>Thank you for the wishes and gift.
>
>Hope 2012, shall bring the WORLD great opportunities for Internet synergies.
>
>Wishing you, friends and families a blissful holiday.
>
>Sonigitu
>
>On 22 Dec 2011 01:05, "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dear colleagues and friends,
>
>I hope you have some time to reflect on an extremely eventful year behind us Earlier this week, we held a quite dynamic webinar on the 10 main developments in IG in 2011. The webinar discussion naturally evolved into predictions of developments for 2012.  During the week of 9th of January, we plan to held another webinar focusing on the 10 Main Developments in IG in 2012. Please join us for this “crystal ball” exercise. More info will follow via e-mail.
>
>In Diplo tradition, we have prepared our 2012 calendar. As you can see from this link the calendar addresses some of current concerns faced by individuals and institutions worldwide. If you would like to receive the printed version of the calendar, please let us know your address at calendar at diplomacy.edu
>
>We wish you a very Happy New Year!
>
>Warm wishes,
>Ginger
>
>Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>IGCBP Online Courses
>Diplo Foundation
>www.diplomacy.edu/
>
>VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
>
>The latest from Diplo:  Learn about Internet governance and ICT policy: enrol for the 2012 Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme more info
>
>
>
>
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:32:00 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:32:00 +0200
Subject: [governance] Brazil's negotiator Guilherme Patriota's on IPRs in
 Geneva (ACTA, TRIPS, etc)
In-Reply-To: <CA11398E-7F8E-4E34-8296-5054E108AA36@keionline.org>
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second document contains corrections...

riaz
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From nb at bollow.ch  Thu Dec 29 11:20:57 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:20:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Brazil's negotiator Guilherme Patriota's on IPRs
 in Geneva (ACTA, TRIPS, etc)
In-Reply-To: <4EFC87F0.2040409@gmail.com> (message from Riaz K Tayob on Thu,
	29 Dec 2011 17:32:00 +0200)
References: <CA11398E-7F8E-4E34-8296-5054E108AA36@keionline.org> <4EFC87F0.2040409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111229162057.B989215C136@quill.bollow.ch>

Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:

> second document contains corrections...
> 
> riaz

Very interesting! Thanks a lot for posting this!!!

Could you please also provide the exact reference for the
publication where this article will appear? (I'll be
quoting from it right away.)

Greetings,
Norbert
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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 10:56:39 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:56:39 +0200
Subject: [governance] Wired... 2011: The Year Intellectual Property Trumped
 Civil Liberties
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<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel>


  2011: The Year Intellectual Property Trumped Civil Liberties

  * By David Kravets
    <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/author/davidkravets/> Email Author
    <mailto:david_kravets at wired.com>
  * <http://www.twitter.com/dmkravets>
  * December 29, 2011  |
  * 6:00 am  |
  * Categories: intellectual property
    <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/category/intellectual-property/>,
    privacy <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/category/privacy/>
  *

  *


<http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/12/capital-building.jpeg> 


/Photo: Nelson Runkle 
<https://secure.flickr.com/photos/nelsonrunkle/5378788878/>/Flickr/

Online civil liberties groups were thrilled in May when Sen. Patrick 
Leahy (D-Vermont), the head of the powerful Judiciary Committee, 
announced legislation requiring the government, for the first time, to 
get a probable-cause warrant to obtain Americans' e-mail and other 
content stored in the cloud.

But, despite the backing of a coalition of powerful tech companies, the 
bill to amend 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/cloud-content-warrants/> the 
Electronic Communications Privacy Act was dead on arrival, never even 
getting a hearing before the committee Leahy heads.

In contrast, another proposal sailed through Leahy's committee, less 
than two weeks after Leahy and others floated it at about the same time 
as his ECPA reform measure. That bill, known as the Protect IP Act, was 
anti-piracy legislation 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/protect-act/> long sought by 
Hollywood that dramatically increased the government's legal power to 
disrupt and shutter websites "dedicated to infringing activities."

<http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/12/040411Presser1.jpeg>

Sen. Patrick Leahy. /Photo: Courtesy Sen. Patrick Leahy 
<http://leahy.senate.gov/press/photos/gallery/?id=41fb2334-fb4d-442c-9729-0dbab725f312>/

This dichotomy played itself out over and again in 2011, as lawmakers 
--- Democrats and Republicans alike --- turned a blind eye to important 
civil liberties issues, including Patriot Act reform, and instead paid 
heed to the content industry's desires to stop piracy.

"Any civil liberties agenda was a complete non-starter with Congress and 
the Obama administration," said Cindy Cohn, the Electronic Frontier 
Foundation's legal director. "They had no interest in finding any 
balance in civil liberties."

It wasn't just on the federal level, either.

In California, for example, Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed legislation that 
would have demanded the police obtain a court warrant 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/warrantless-phone-searches/> 
before searching the mobile phone of anybody arrested. But Brown, a 
Democrat, signed legislation 
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/22252614309/riaa-calls-4th-amendment-passe-pushes-warrantless-searches.shtml> 
authorizing the authorities to search, without a warrant, CD-stamping 
plants that dot Southern California's landscape.

Underscoring that civil liberties would take a back seat in 2011 was the 
debate, or lack thereof, concerning the Patriot Act. The House and 
Senate punted in May on revising the controversial spy act adopted in 
the wake of 9/11. Congress extended three expiring Patriot Act spy 
provisions for four years, without any debate 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/patriot-act-reform/>.

The three provisions extended included:

. The "roving wiretap" provision allows the FBI to obtain wiretaps from 
a secret intelligence court, known as the FISA court (under the Foreign 
Intelligence Surveillance Act), without identifying the target or what 
method of communication is to be tapped.

. The "lone wolf" measure allows FISA court warrants for the electronic 
monitoring of a person for any reason --- even without showing that the 
suspect is an agent of a foreign power or a terrorist. The government 
has said it has never invoked that provision, but the Obama 
administration said it wanted to retain the authority to do so.

. The "business records" provision allows FISA court warrants for any 
type of record, from banking to library to medical, without the 
government having to declare that the information sought is connected to 
a terrorism or espionage investigation.

While the Obama administration was lobbying against tinkering with the 
Patriot Act, and telling the courts that Americans have no privacy in 
their public movements 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/public-privacy/>, the White 
House was quietly working with the recording and motion picture 
industries to help broker a deal 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/disrupting-internet-access/> 
by which internet companies would block internet access to repeat online 
infringers.

E-mails obtained via the Freedom of Information Act showed just how cozy 
the administration was with the content industry 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/copyright-czar-cozies-up/>: 
The nation's copyright czar, Victoria Espinel, used her personal e-mail 
account with industry officials to help mediate the plan.

The administration said in a statement to Wired that Espinel was 
undertaking "precisely the work outlined in the administration's 2010 
Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property Enforcement."

By the same token, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board 
remained dormant again for another year. It was chartered by statute in 
2004 and given more power in 2007 to "analyze and review actions the 
executive branch takes to protect the nation from terrorism, ensuring 
that the need for such actions is balanced with the need to protect 
privacy and civil liberties" and to "ensure that liberty concerns are 
appropriately considered in the development and implementation of laws, 
regulations, and policies related to efforts to protect the nation 
against terrorism."

The board has remained without members since January 2008, a year before 
Obama's inauguration. Its website at privacyboard.gov doesn't resolve.

Two weeks ago, President Barack Obama finally filled out the five-member 
board 
<http://www.aclu.org/national-security-technology-and-liberty/white-house-announces-nominees-fill-civil-liberties-board>, 
but his nominees still have to be confirmed by the Senate.

Had the board been active, it would have had plenty to say on the 
"development and implementation of laws."

"Had the board been functional, it might have been a valuable 
participant in current deliberations over military detention authority, 
for example," said Steven Aftergood 
<http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2011/11/pclob_dormant.html>, who 
directs the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government 
Secrecy. "It might also have conducted investigative oversight into any 
number of other counterterrorism policies, as mandated by law."

All the while, Espinel and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement 
office spent the year seizing online domains of websites allegedly 
hawking counterfeit and copyright goods. All told, the government has 
seized more than 350 domains taken as part of a forfeiture program known 
as "Operation in Our Sites 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/operation-in-our-sites-grows/>" that 
began a little more than a year ago. The authorities were using the same 
asset-forfeiture laws used to seize cars and houses belonging to 
suspected drug dealers.

A hip-hop music site's domain name was seized for a year and given back 
three weeks ago, without ever affording the site's New York owner a 
chance to challenge the taking. The legal case surrounding the takedown, 
which centered on MP3s posted by the site, is sealed from public view at 
the request of ICE. The site's lawyer says the MP3s listed in the 
seizure order had been sent to the site by the labels themselves, 
seeking publicity.

That prompted Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) to demand that the Justice 
Department divulge how many other domains are caught in a legal black 
hole <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/wyden-domain-seizure/>.

<http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/12/5885212110_c223a33780.jpeg> 


Sen. Ron Wyden.
/Photo: TalkMediaNews 
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/talkradionews/5885212110/sizes/m/in/photostream/>/Flickr/

Lawmakers' drive to bolster intellectual property rights of some of the 
country's biggest political donors began in earnest in May when Leahy 
introduced the Protect IP Act, and two weeks later it sailed through his 
Judiciary Committee.

The Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, is nearly an exact copy and is now 
being debated in the House Judiciary Committee.

Both are offshoots of the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits 
Act introduced last year.

Under the old COICA draft, the government was authorized to obtain court 
orders to seize so-called generic top-level domains ending in .com, .org 
and .net. The new legislation, with the same sponsors, narrows that 
somewhat.

Instead of allowing for the seizure of domain names, it allows the 
Justice Department to obtain court orders demanding American ISPs block 
citizens from reaching a site by modifying the net's Domain Name System. 
DNS works as the net's phone book, turning domain names like Wired.com 
into IP addresses such as 165.193.220.20, which browsers use to actually 
get to the site.

On May 26, the day the Protect IP Act passed the Senate Judiciary 
Committee, Wyden exercised a rarely used Senate procedure and held 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/blacklisting-law-advances/> 
the measure from going to the Senate floor for a vote, where it would 
likely pass. The measure is expected to come back in the new year, and 
it's likely Wyden's hold can be overridden 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/wyden-pipa-filibuster/> by a 
vote of 60 senators.

Wyden has promised to wage a one-man filibuster if necessary.

"By ceding control of the internet to corporations through a private 
right of action, and to government agencies that do not sufficiently 
understand and value the internet, PIPA represents a threat to our 
economic future and to our international objectives," Wyden said.

DNS experts Steve Crocker, David Dagon, Dan Kaminsky, Danny McPherson 
and Paul Vixie wrote in a white paper 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/dns-filtering/> that the 
Protect IP Act "would promote the development of techniques and software 
that circumvent use of the DNS."

"These actions," they wrote, "would threaten the DNS's ability to 
provide universal naming, a primary source of the internet's value as a 
single, unified, global communications network."

They also argue that the proposal undermines a government-approved new 
DNS security measure known as DNSSEC that aims to prevent criminals from 
poisoning the domain-name lookup system with false information in order 
to "hijack" people trying to visit their bank online.

Regardless, the SOPA measure in the House, which is virtually identical 
to PIPA in the Senate, looked like it would sail out of the House 
Judiciary Committee two weeks ago.

But Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), who heads the House Judiciary Committee, 
abruptly continued the hearing so lawmakers could hear from internet 
architecture experts 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/sopa-vote-delayed/> before 
taking a vote. A Motion Picture Association vice president had testified 
before the committee that concerns over DNS redirecting were "overstated 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/piracy-blacklisting-bill/>."

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-California) said the measure went too far.

"We never tried to filter the telephone networks to block illegal 
content on the telephone network," she said, "yet that is precisely what 
this legislation would do relative to the internet."

The hearing will resume in the new year.

But it's unlikely that lawmakers will return to the now-forgotten bill 
that would prevent law enforcement from sifting through your online 
e-mail account without first proving probable cause to a judge.

Consider that October marked the 25th anniversary 
<http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/ecpa-turns-twenty-five/> of 
the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, the law that allows the 
authorities to access your e-mail without a court warrant.

The law, known as ECPA and signed by President Ronald Reagan, came at a 
time when e-mail was used mostly by nerdy scientists, when phones 
without wires hardly worked and when the World Wide Web didn't exist. 
Four presidencies and hundreds of millions of personal computers later, 
the Electronic Communications Privacy Act has aged dramatically, 
providing little protection for citizens from the government's prying 
eyes --- despite the law's language remaining much the same.

The silver anniversary of ECPA had prompted the nation's biggest tech 
companies and prominent civil liberties groups to again lobby for an 
update to what was once the nation's leading privacy legislation 
protecting Americans' electronic communications from warrantless 
searches and seizures.

In the 1980s, ECPA protected Americans' e-mail from warrantless 
surveillance --- despite ECPA allowing the government to access e-mail 
without a court warrant if it was six months or older and stored on a 
third-party's server. The tech world now refers to these servers as "the 
cloud," and others just think of Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, Facebook and Gmail.

ECPA was adopted at a time when e-mail wasn't stored on servers for a 
long time. It just sat there briefly before recipients downloaded it to 
their inbox on software running on their own computer. E-mail more than 
six months old was assumed abandoned, and that's why the law allowed the 
government to get it without a warrant.

On Oct. 20, Leahy said "this law is significantly outdated and outpaced 
by rapid changes in technology." He promised hearings "before the end of 
the calendar year 
<http://leahy.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=56c35200-efdc-497a-9eaf-a75b498515b8>" 
in the Judiciary Committee he heads, despite the Obama's Justice 
Department opposition to the change.

But there was no hearing.

Presumably, it was just forgotten amid the rush to alter the internet at 
the behest of the same industry that tried to ban the VCR and MP3 players.

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From riaz.tayob at gmail.com  Thu Dec 29 12:20:46 2011
From: riaz.tayob at gmail.com (Riaz K Tayob)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:20:46 +0200
Subject: [governance] Brazil's negotiator Guilherme Patriota's on IPRs
 in Geneva (ACTA, TRIPS, etc)
In-Reply-To: <20111229162057.B989215C136@quill.bollow.ch>
References: <CA11398E-7F8E-4E34-8296-5054E108AA36@keionline.org> <4EFC87F0.2040409@gmail.com> <20111229162057.B989215C136@quill.bollow.ch>
Message-ID: <4EFCA16E.7020002@gmail.com>

I am not sure, received personally.

Perhaps check out the CUTS website?

PLEASE NOTE the second file contains corrections.

Riaz

On 2011/12/29 06:20 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> Riaz K Tayob<riaz.tayob at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> second document contains corrections...
>>
>> riaz
> Very interesting! Thanks a lot for posting this!!!
>
> Could you please also provide the exact reference for the
> publication where this article will appear? (I'll be
> quoting from it right away.)
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
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From nb at bollow.ch  Thu Dec 29 14:53:45 2011
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:53:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [governance] Brazil's negotiator Guilherme Patriota's on IPRs
 in Geneva (ACTA, TRIPS, etc)
In-Reply-To: <4EFCA16E.7020002@gmail.com> (message from Riaz K Tayob on Thu,
	29 Dec 2011 19:20:46 +0200)
References: <CA11398E-7F8E-4E34-8296-5054E108AA36@keionline.org> <4EFC87F0.2040409@gmail.com> <20111229162057.B989215C136@quill.bollow.ch> <4EFCA16E.7020002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111229195346.02BE915C136@quill.bollow.ch>

Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Could you please also provide the exact reference for the
> > publication where this article will appear? (I'll be
> > quoting from it right away.)
> 
> I am not sure, received personally.
> 
> Perhaps check out the CUTS website?

It looks like the article will appear in this volume:

Pradeep S. Mehta, Atul Kaushik, Rashid S. Kaukab (eds.): Reflections
from the Frontline: Developing Country Negotiators in the WTO, to
appear, New Delhi 2012 (Academic Foundation in association with CUTS
International).

Judging from the promotional flyer that is online at the CUTS website
[1], the rest of the volume will likely be very interesting also. 

[1] http://www.cuts-international.org/pdf/Reflections_from_the_Frontline_Developing_Country_Negotiators_in_the_WTO.pdf

Greetings,
Norbert
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From lorna.tingu at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec 30 10:03:34 2011
From: lorna.tingu at yahoo.co.uk (Lorna simiyu)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:03:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [governance] Wishing all the members a happy new year
Message-ID: <1325257414.49823.YahooMailClassic@web27106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I wish all the members a happy new year with all your wishes fulfilled.  God Bless.

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec 30 10:57:17 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:27:17 +0530
Subject: [governance] UN GA resolution and enhanced cooperation
Message-ID: <4EFDDF5D.3010105@itforchange.net>

Enclosed is the 2011 UN GA resolution on ICTs for development. Its most 
hotly contested part was of course about 'enhanced cooperation', a 
term/issue that so many hope should somehow simply disappear and die. 
The relevant part of the resolution reads as follows;

    .... invites the Chair of the Commission on Science and Technology
    for Development to convene, in conjunction with the fifteenth
    session of the Commission, a one-day open, inclusive and interactive
    meeting, involving all Member States and other stakeholders,
    particularly those from developing countries, including the private
    sector, civil society and international organizations, with a view
    to identifying a shared understanding about enhanced cooperation on
    public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, in accordance with
    paragraphs 34 and 35 of the Tunis Agenda.....

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From parminder at itforchange.net  Fri Dec 30 10:59:47 2011
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:29:47 +0530
Subject: [governance] UN GA resolution and enhanced cooperation
Message-ID: <4EFDDFF3.8000504@itforchange.net>

Enclosed is the 2011 UN GA resolution on ICTs for development. Its most 
hotly contested part was of course about 'enhanced cooperation', a 
term/issue that so many hope should somehow simply disappear and die. 
The relevant part of the resolution reads as follows;

    .... invites the Chair of the Commission on Science and Technology
    for Development to convene, in conjunction with the fifteenth
    session of the Commission, a one-day open, inclusive and interactive
    meeting, involving all Member States and other stakeholders,
    particularly those from developing countries, including the private
    sector, civil society and international organizations, with a view
    to identifying a shared understanding about enhanced cooperation on
    public policy issues pertaining to the Internet, in accordance with
    paragraphs 34 and 35 of the Tunis Agenda.....

parminder
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From nyangkweagien at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 12:08:43 2011
From: nyangkweagien at gmail.com (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:08:43 +0100
Subject: [governance] Wishing all the members a happy new year
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Same to you Loma

Aaron

On 12/30/11, Lorna simiyu <lorna.tingu at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I wish all the members a happy new year with all your wishes fulfilled.  God
> Bless.
>
> Lorna
>


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From sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng  Fri Dec 30 13:29:10 2011
From: sonigituekpe at crossriverstate.gov.ng (Sonigitu Ekpe)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:29:10 +0100
Subject: [governance] Wishing all the members a happy new year
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+1

On 30 Dec 2011 18:09, "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
wrote:

Same to you Loma

Aaron


On 12/30/11, Lorna simiyu <lorna.tingu at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I wish all the members a happy new yea...
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 04:38:37 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:38:37 +1200
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiBLvFKVktc9h_dDSkrvas0O6Jcms=quC2Pnkfmr=vEmCg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
courage, joy and friendship.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

-- 
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From b.schombe at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 04:55:26 2011
From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:55:26 +0100
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiBLvFKVktc9h_dDSkrvas0O6Jcms=quC2Pnkfmr=vEmCg@mail.gmail.com>
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Essayez avec cette orthographe : Oui *Sava* je ne sais comment exprimer
toute ma reconnaissance pour avoir été accepté comme membre du Caucus
mondial sur la gouvernance de l'internet. Je tiens
 Saisissez du texte, l'adresse d'un site Web ou importez un document à
traduire. <http://translate.google.cd/?tr=f&hl=fr>
Annuler <http://translate.google.cd/?tr=t&hl=fr>
 Traduction (français > anglais)
Sala Yes thank you. I do not know how to express my gratitude for
being accepted
as a member of the Global Caucus on Internet Governance. I want to extend best
wishes to all and that 2012 is the year of success in all our initiatives.

SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN

Téléphone mobile:+243998983491
email                  : b.schombe at gmail.com
skype                 : b.schombe
blog                    : http://akimambo.unblog.fr
Site Web             : www.ticafrica.net





2011/12/31 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>

> Dear All,
>
> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
> courage, joy and friendship.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> --
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
>
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From fouadbajwa at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 05:34:49 2011
From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:34:49 +0500
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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	<CAHj_20jj7R09qh4ipJNmHE63tTEgEOQupLZ_7TvEfOsBHpUW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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+1

Foodabyte!
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From naveedpta at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 31 05:40:46 2011
From: naveedpta at hotmail.com (Naveed haq)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:40:46 +0000
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Thanks Sala. Wishing the best for 2012 to all. !


Best Regards,

Naveed-ul-Haq 



Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:38:37 +1200
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]

Dear All,
We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled, productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength, courage, joy and friendship.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
-- 
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Tweeter: @SalanietaTSkype:Salanieta.TamanikaiwaimaroCell: +679 998 2851
 


 		 	   		  
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From briceabba at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 31 06:04:38 2011
From: briceabba at hotmail.com (Brice Abba)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:04:38 +0000
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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References:  <CAJwbTiBLvFKVktc9h_dDSkrvas0O6Jcms=quC2Pnkfmr=vEmCg@mail.gmail.com>,<COL122-W51956D199D52CADE7A0064B7930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DUB112-W1224A0928A7766068630075B0930@phx.gbl>


Thanks same to you...
Regards

Brice ABBA

Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiquesmob: (+225)-08-607-228
fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912



From: naveedpta at hotmail.com
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:40:46 +0000
Subject: RE: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]








Thanks Sala. Wishing the best for 2012 to all. !


Best Regards,

Naveed-ul-Haq 



Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:38:37 +1200
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]

Dear All,
We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled, productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength, courage, joy and friendship.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
-- 
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
Tweeter: @SalanietaTSkype:Salanieta.TamanikaiwaimaroCell: +679 998 2851
 


 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 06:40:48 2011
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:40:48 -0400
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
In-Reply-To: <DUB112-W1224A0928A7766068630075B0930@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJwbTiBLvFKVktc9h_dDSkrvas0O6Jcms=quC2Pnkfmr=vEmCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <COL122-W51956D199D52CADE7A0064B7930@phx.gbl> <DUB112-W1224A0928A7766068630075B0930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN4Df1W2wqVZBc7_ijzpnHn+oo8Ux5cFAi3nXiNoM259XQ@mail.gmail.com>

We haven't been awake for very long. Another almost 17 hours to go. Take
care of 2012 until it reaches us :-)
Best wishes to all
Deirdre

On 31 December 2011 07:04, Brice Abba <briceabba at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks same to you...
>
> Regards
>
> ------------------------------
> Brice ABBA
> Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques
> mob: (+225)-08-607-228
>  fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912
>
> ------------------------------
> From: naveedpta at hotmail.com
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:40:46 +0000
> Subject: RE: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
>
>
>
> Thanks Sala. Wishing the best for 2012 to all. !
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Naveed-ul-Haq
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:38:37 +1200
> From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
>
> Dear All,
>
> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
> courage, joy and friendship.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> --
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
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From qshatti at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 11:40:00 2011
From: qshatti at gmail.com (Qusai Al-Shatti)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:40:00 +0300
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Dear All:
Happy New Year to all of you. May the year 2012 be a prosperous wonderful healthy year for all of us.

Qusai AlShatti

Sent from my iPhone

On 31/12/2011, at 12:38, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled, productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength, courage, joy and friendship.
> 
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
> 
> -- 
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
> 
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
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From devonrb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 12:01:58 2011
From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:01:58 +0000
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
In-Reply-To: <CAMz5XN4Df1W2wqVZBc7_ijzpnHn+oo8Ux5cFAi3nXiNoM259XQ@mail.gmail.com>
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  <COL122-W51956D199D52CADE7A0064B7930@phx.gbl>
  <DUB112-W1224A0928A7766068630075B0930@phx.gbl>
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Happy new year all, I look forward to your individual and our collective successes in the year to come. Lots a prosperity to all from Jamaica.
Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel

-----Original Message-----
From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:40:48 
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Brice Abba<briceabba at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]

We haven't been awake for very long. Another almost 17 hours to go. Take
care of 2012 until it reaches us :-)
Best wishes to all
Deirdre

On 31 December 2011 07:04, Brice Abba <briceabba at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks same to you...
>
> Regards
>
> ------------------------------
> Brice ABBA
> Ingénieur en Sciences Informatiques
> mob: (+225)-08-607-228
>  fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912
>
> ------------------------------
> From: naveedpta at hotmail.com
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:40:46 +0000
> Subject: RE: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
>
>
>
> Thanks Sala. Wishing the best for 2012 to all. !
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Naveed-ul-Haq
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:38:37 +1200
> From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
>
> Dear All,
>
> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
> courage, joy and friendship.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> --
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>
> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cell: +679 998 2851
>
>
>
>
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Sat Dec 31 12:44:19 2011
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:44:19 -0200
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here 
near Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!

[]s fraternos

--c.a.

On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
> courage, joy and friendship.
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
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From fatimacambronero at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 13:34:43 2011
From: fatimacambronero at gmail.com (Fatima Cambronero)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:34:43 -0300
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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	<4EFF49F3.7070405@cafonso.ca>
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Dear Sala and all,

I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still
about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
Best Whishes for all of you!

Fatima


2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>

> Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here near
> Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>
> []s fraternos
>
> --c.a.
>
>
> On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
>> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
>> courage, joy and friendship.
>>
>> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>
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From iza at anr.org  Sat Dec 31 18:32:21 2011
From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:32:21 +0900
Subject: [governance] new year has arrived here
Message-ID: <CA+YNoKhhowkdktyULA-6d=a1kNHh-4qcjsjt3V2dND8oBh4TeA@mail.gmail.com>

In tokyo, 2012 has now come (8+ hours ago).

It's been a real tough year, especially after 3/11 here.
There are still so many people suffering in the devastated areas.

Thank you all members of CS IGC, for supporting and advancing our
cause around Internet Governance globally.

As one of the co-coordinators, I must say I should have done more
for 2011, and I owe you a lot. Special thanks to Jeremy for your
dedication and guidance. Thanks also to Sala for your smart and
tireless actions.

We have lots of challenges for 2012.

CSTD WG on IGF improvement is one such area.
New MAG nomination is another.

I wish we keep our solidarity, enthusiasm, and reason.
Let's work together.

izumi
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From vanda at uol.com.br  Sat Dec 31 19:05:24 2011
From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:05:24 +0000
Subject: [governance] new year has arrived here
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Best to you and whole family in 2012! Lots of success! 
Vanda Scartezini from BlackBerry

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Subject: [governance] new year has arrived here

In tokyo, 2012 has now come (8+ hours ago).

It's been a real tough year, especially after 3/11 here.
There are still so many people suffering in the devastated areas.

Thank you all members of CS IGC, for supporting and advancing our
cause around Internet Governance globally.

As one of the co-coordinators, I must say I should have done more
for 2011, and I owe you a lot. Special thanks to Jeremy for your
dedication and guidance. Thanks also to Sala for your smart and
tireless actions.

We have lots of challenges for 2012.

CSTD WG on IGF improvement is one such area.
New MAG nomination is another.

I wish we keep our solidarity, enthusiasm, and reason.
Let's work together.

izumi
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From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 19:40:39 2011
From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:40:39 -0400
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Just over 3 hours left to 2012 here in Trinidad and Tobago.

Best wishes to all for the new year and beyond!

Best Regards,

Tracy
On Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Sala and all,
>
> I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still
> about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
> Best Whishes for all of you!
>
> Fatima
>
>
> 2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>
>> Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here near
>> Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>>
>> []s fraternos
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>>
>> On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>>> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
>>> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
>>> courage, joy and friendship.
>>>
>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**______________________________
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> *AGEIA DENSI Argentina*
> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/
>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 19:46:34 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:46:34 +1200
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Woohoo exciting, it's almost 2012 in Trinidad & Tobago!!!

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <
tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just over 3 hours left to 2012 here in Trinidad and Tobago.
>
> Best wishes to all for the new year and beyond!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tracy
> On Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sala and all,
>>
>> I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still
>> about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
>> Best Whishes for all of you!
>>
>> Fatima
>>
>>
>> 2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>
>>> Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here
>>> near Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>>>
>>> []s fraternos
>>>
>>> --c.a.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>>>> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
>>>> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
>>>> courage, joy and friendship.
>>>>
>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________**______________________________
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>>
>> --
>> *Fatima Cambronero*
>> Abogada-Argentina
>> Directora de Investigaciones
>> *AGEIA DENSI Argentina*
>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/
>>
>> *@facambronero*
>>
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From devonrb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 22:17:03 2011
From: devonrb at gmail.com (devonrb at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 03:17:03 +0000
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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In another two hours and eleven minutes Jamaica will face the successes and challenges that 2012 brings. Its like a brand new beginning.

 Its the beginning of our 50th year as an independent state. We will also be starting the year with a new Government in place as the People's National Party won national elections by a landslide two days ago.

The new admistration in its manifesto has promised to make the creation of jobs, through development of the SME sector a priority. A critical element of this is the accelerated development of the ICT sector. This will include signifiicant expansion of broadband availabilty. High penetration levels for the use of the internet in all our schools and communities. Training in high end ICT professions to equip our labour force for the international marketplace.

An interesting element of the manifesto is the promise by the new administration to engage in broadbased consultations on critical issues as a governance policy. This opens the door for the application of the IGF model of multistakholderism at the local level.

I am therefore hoping that in the new year the issues and challenges of internet governance, and the possible solutions will be a feature of local online discussions as well as in communty fora.

I will seek to promote this process and report to this community the progress during the coming year. This will be the project I am working on in 2012 as it relates to internet governance. 

I welcome the comments, advice and support of all members of the IGF. I wish you all a prosperous and graceful 2012.
Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Sender: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:46:34 
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google<tracyhackshaw at gmail.com>
Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
Cc: Fatima Cambronero<fatimacambronero at gmail.com>; Carlos A. Afonso<ca at cafonso.ca>
Subject: Re: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]

Woohoo exciting, it's almost 2012 in Trinidad & Tobago!!!

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <
tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just over 3 hours left to 2012 here in Trinidad and Tobago.
>
> Best wishes to all for the new year and beyond!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tracy
> On Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sala and all,
>>
>> I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still
>> about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
>> Best Whishes for all of you!
>>
>> Fatima
>>
>>
>> 2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>
>>> Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here
>>> near Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>>>
>>> []s fraternos
>>>
>>> --c.a.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>>>> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
>>>> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
>>>> courage, joy and friendship.
>>>>
>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________**______________________________
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>>
>> --
>> *Fatima Cambronero*
>> Abogada-Argentina
>> Directora de Investigaciones
>> *AGEIA DENSI Argentina*
>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/
>>
>> *@facambronero*
>>
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From salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 22:28:39 2011
From: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:28:39 +1200
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Awesome almost 2012 in Jamaica and we are excited about the developments in
Jamaica and look forward to seeing how the global community can share their
experiences in true IGF collaborative spirit and engagement. There are also
some exciting plans lined up for 2012 and it will be great to see various
countries highlighted etc.

Happy New Year!

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM, <devonrb at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
> In another two hours and eleven minutes Jamaica will face the successes
> and challenges that 2012 brings. Its like a brand new beginning.
>
> Its the beginning of our 50th year as an independent state. We will also
> be starting the year with a new Government in place as the People's
> National Party won national elections by a landslide two days ago.
>
> The new admistration in its manifesto has promised to make the creation of
> jobs, through development of the SME sector a priority. A critical element
> of this is the accelerated development of the ICT sector. This will include
> signifiicant expansion of broadband availabilty. High penetration levels
> for the use of the internet in all our schools and communities. Training in
> high end ICT professions to equip our labour force for the international
> marketplace.
>
> An interesting element of the manifesto is the promise by the new
> administration to engage in broadbased consultations on critical issues as
> a governance policy. This opens the door for the application of the IGF
> model of multistakholderism at the local level.
>
> I am therefore hoping that in the new year the issues and challenges of
> internet governance, and the possible solutions will be a feature of local
> online discussions as well as in communty fora.
>
> I will seek to promote this process and report to this community the
> progress during the coming year. This will be the project I am working on
> in 2012 as it relates to internet governance.
>
> I welcome the comments, advice and support of all members of the IGF. I
> wish you all a prosperous and graceful 2012.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel
> ------------------------------
> *From: * "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> *Sender: * governance at lists.cpsr.org
> *Date: *Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:46:34 +1200
> *To: *<governance at lists.cpsr.org>; Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google<
> tracyhackshaw at gmail.com>
> *ReplyTo: * governance at lists.cpsr.org,"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
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> *Cc: *Fatima Cambronero<fatimacambronero at gmail.com>; Carlos A. Afonso<
> ca at cafonso.ca>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
>
> Woohoo exciting, it's almost 2012 in Trinidad & Tobago!!!
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <
> tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just over 3 hours left to 2012 here in Trinidad and Tobago.
>>
>> Best wishes to all for the new year and beyond!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Tracy
>> On Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sala and all,
>>>
>>> I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still
>>> about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
>>> Best Whishes for all of you!
>>>
>>> Fatima
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>>
>>>> Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here
>>>> near Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>>>>
>>>> []s fraternos
>>>>
>>>> --c.a.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>>>>> take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun
>>>>> filled,
>>>>> productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health,
>>>>> strength,
>>>>> courage, joy and friendship.
>>>>>
>>>>> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>>>
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>>> --
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>>>
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From shailam at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 23:26:04 2011
From: shailam at yahoo.com (shaila mistry)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:26:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
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Not for 3.55 hours in California :):)
shaila

 
The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !
..................... the renaissance of composure !



________________________________
 From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; "Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" <tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> 
Cc: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>; Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Countdown to New Year [2012]
 

Woohoo exciting, it's almost 2012 in Trinidad & Tobago!!!


On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google <tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote:

Just over 3 hours left to 2012 here in Trinidad and Tobago.
>Best wishes to all for the new year and beyond!
>Best Regards,
>Tracy
>On Dec 31, 2011 2:35 PM, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Sala and all,
>>
>>I wish a Happy New Year to all of you! Here in Cordoba, Argentina, still about 9 hours to go to 2012 :)
>>Best Whishes for all of you!
>>
>>Fatima
>>
>>
>>
>>2011/12/31 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
>>
>>Dear Sala and all, still a bit more than 8 hours to go for 2012 here near Paraná River, Brazil. A wonderful 2012 to you all!
>>>
>>>[]s fraternos
>>>
>>>--c.a.
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/31/2011 07:38 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>We are now counting down the hours in Fiji to New Year! I would like to
>>>>take this time to wish everyone on the list a most splendid, fun filled,
>>>>productive, high energy new year!  I wish you all good health, strength,
>>>>courage, joy and friendship.
>>>>
>>>>HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>Fatima Cambronero
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>>Directora de Investigaciones
>>AGEIA DENSI Argentina
>>http://ar.ageiadensi.org/
>>
>>@facambronero
>>
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