On NN workshop RE: Re: [governance] Three IGC workshops ) NN FYI DIPLO

[Fouad Bajwa]

Hi McTim,

FCC discussing network freedom or NN has no concern for Pakistan
because their gov doesn't know what their talking about and how does
it impact the future of the Internet in Pakistan and the citizens of
the country don't give a damn about the debate so why is the global
community even talking about it, what's their problem, lets not have a
workshop of NN anyways.

Thats the weak link that has to be mitigated. They have to be
concerned and why, that is the objective that I was trying to bring
into the discussion and not attempting to go through an unwinding
debate.

At one point we talk about distribution and management of critical
Internet resources, at the other end we say it the debate can't be
done in developing countries because the debate is just on one side of
the world. Thats the whole point, shift the dialogue to another part
of the world and break the NN silos sustained by NN debate gurus and
away from the sector that is afraid of improvements to the IGF the
most.

When you say that:
> What is confusing is that you say that
> there is a lack of capacity in the developing world on the one hand, yet
> want to include only them?
Now I am confused why you fall into the silo trap........I said
developing country perspective only which means bring in the NN gurus
that can tell developing countries after listening to the developing
country's perception of NN, that where they are right and wrong, thats
the first case, create the awareness.

You are definitely technically strong and that is why you refer to
what resources and what examples and since I am not in an intervention
with you here, I will reserve my right, energy and knowledge to
explain and would be happy to discuss this out with only people coming
from similar conditions as of mine.

In the end, if workshops are only to feed the educated or give a few
minutes of fame to the worthy, the whole point of workshop
organizations fades. Secondly, my generation comes in with a different
perspective and it can be changed or improved by failed perceptions.
The NN debate can be developing country led and there is no opposition
to it unless silos get threatened.

Best

Fouad


On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> Foo
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It would be advisable that for once, this workshop should only give the
>> developing world perspective.
>
> Is there such a thing?
>
> I've never seen one.  Here in Africa, it's just not on many agendas.
>
>
>>
>> What I have felt on NN issues is lobbies fighting with each other while
>> keeping out the developing world segment that will be truly affected by the
>> Internet.
>> I want to add the capacity building element here. I don't see a single
>> activity on the ground where a certain NN advocacy group has gone to
>> regulators to educate them on NN related issues and how to/not to develop a
>> stand on the issue.
>
> I'm all about capacity building, so this could be a useful project.
>
>
>>
>> The fact remains that the larger portion of Internet and Web resources
>> remain in the developed West and the developing east and south are usually
>> outside the picture.
>
> What resources are you talking about, and how does this impact NN?
>
>
>>
>> Not having the knowledge nor capacity leads regulators to regulate the
>> Internet in such a way that is not beneficial for their citizenry and in the
>> long run not at all beneficial for the governments themselves because they
>> cap themselves from providing their social and economic setup the
>> opportunity that a neutral network would actually offer.
>
> Can you give examples?
>
>
>>
>> This is a whole different debate.
>> Within the NN debate I am yet to see corporations from the developing
>> world step into the discussion or fight on issues pertaining to the topic at
>> any global Internet discussion forum so the issue remains, do we want to
>> bring in those that continue to blur the NN debate and give them the
>> opportunity to continue to do so or should we now move the whole NN
>> discussion towards the developing countries.
>
> I can't parse this.  I don't know who is guilty of blurring (except anti-NN
> lobbies), which may be who you mean.  What is confusing is that you say that
> there is a lack of capacity in the developing world on the one hand, yet
> want to include only them?  How is "the blind leading the blind" useful? NB
> this is not a slur or denigration of the visually impaired, rather "a
> metaphor used in antiquity"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_blind_leading_the_blind
>
> I particularity like this one:
>
> "Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned,
> fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind. "
>
> from
>
> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/67150.html
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>



-- 
Regards.
--------------------------
Fouad Bajwa
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