R: [governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet

Thu Sep 16 23:55:27 EDT 2010

My 2 cents - since this was brought up and my sister is one of the ~2000 IPCC scientists/co-winners.

In the family we brag and say she s a co-winner of the Nobel.

Others not so charitable - or dubious on climate - are rather dismissive of the significance of Diane having won 1/4000th of a Nobel. 

So for Internet - prize goes to...Kahn/Cerf for tcp/ip? Kleinrock because he took darpa $ and got machines talking to each other...or Taylor for setting up the darpa program...or Ruina for leading darpa..and staying out of way of Licklider etc way...or the next couple hundred key contributors....all of which would leave out sir berners-lee and the web...or instead all of us early or late users win 1/2billionth of a nobel?

So I'm not sure what 'the Internet' winning would mean. And if it meant something specific, in case of Internet it would likely just lead to arguments about whether that one thing is really a main thing. 

Now, a new nobel prize category, for Internet, that could be more interesting and meaningful, since Internet is not a one-off thing, and we already have a backlog of a variety of deserving winners....who can squabble and lobby and scheme just like everyone else in other categories 'shocked, shocked' - that their lobbying paid off and they won. 

Lee

PS: Re those lecturers and early Internet contributors who insist that the connection between LOTs of US DOD $ funding research on packet networks....for decades and decades before things got to commercial scale...and the building of a net capable of surviving nuclear war was just a 'myth' or coincidence: Yeah right. US government does that kind of long-range planning routinely. Sure whatever. Pay no attention to what the (D) in DARPA stands for.

Absolutely values and ethos and contributions from civil society and from 60s counter-culture can be seen from beginning - in a net coincidentally designed by the advanced projects arm of the department of d. which enlisted thousands of 'civil society' types very early on, around world. And told them to keep their head down and figure better how to pass packets. Beginning in earnest roughly...around the time of the Cuban missile crisis. But pay no attention, that is just another coincidence and whole thing has always been about peaceful passing of packets honest. Give that packet a prize.

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From: Shahzad Ahmad [shahzad at bytesforall.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 5:09 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: RE: R: [governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet

May be in the same way as it was given to IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change…

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

Best
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From: Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at) [mailto:wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:50 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder
Subject: Re: R: [governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet

May I endorse the thoughts of Parminder, I do not see what can really be gained by the nobel prize for the internet, different from giving it to UNHCR, AI etc to point out their good work as a model for humanity and support their concerns.

Wolfgang Benedek

Am 16.09.10 10:17 schrieb "parminder" unter <parminder at itforchange.net>:
I am sorry, but I hate to give human status to any artifact.... even the Internet... And Nobel prize is for human beings, maybe the best among them or whatever..... Next we may hear is that 'the Internet has rights'..... not  at all going in good directions if you ask me :)

(At a recent conf i was given this T shirt - dont think what the Internet can do you you - think what you can do to the Internet -- this kind of expressions almost scare me, and make me feel belittled as a human being in front of a 'system'... Well if we are insistent on going down that path then lets give noble prize to the 'system' instead, the all powerful one)

parmindr

On Thursday 16 September 2010 01:26 PM, Fiorello Cortiana wrote:

We have to be pragmatic, the Nobel Prize to the net could be useful to
recognize it as a commons, the wider public space in the human history, not
a new  infrastructure after telegraph, telephon, radio, television and PC. This is why we need an extension of the rights in
a new way: multilevel and multistakeholder. I know what I say under
Berlusconi's Government  the freedom of expression on the net is in peril.
With Stefano Rodotà and many other we gathered 400.000 signatures under an
appeal against an awful proposal of law and this time we won. Ready to the next one :)

Fiorello

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca]
Inviato: giovedì 16 settembre 2010 9.30
A: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeanette Hofmann
Cc: Shahzad Ahmad
Oggetto: Re: [governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet

I of course agree with Jean, although perhaps I would not phrase it as bluntly :)

--c.a.

On 09/15/2010 07:20 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:

I think this is a real rubbish idea and I am very much against sending
any message to that effect.
jeanette

On 15.09.2010 16:05, Shahzad Ahmad wrote:

I suggest that one of CS representative strongly raise the support
for the Nobel Prize for the Internet either in the closing session or
in regular interventions in the plenary. It will be good if IGF sends
a strong message out on this.

Best wishes and regards

Shahzad

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