[governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
David Goldstein
goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au
Mon Sep 6 21:43:48 EDT 2010
Carlos,
I suggest you read this article by Nicholas Kristof to get more of an idea. To
question where America is going is simplisitc - it's a very complicated country.
Much like any other with good and bad. Anyway, the article is at
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html.
David
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From: Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
Cc: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>; William Drake
<william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>
Sent: Tue, 7 September, 2010 11:26:32 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
To make things worse, some idiotic church in Florida has just decided to
burn copies of the Quran on September 11... forcing an American general
from the Afghan field to go on national TV to ask "please do not do it,
it will put our soldiers in peril here...".
I mean, where is that country going to???
--c.a.
On 09/06/2010 06:58 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> Dear Milton,
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
> <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> wrote:
>
> I view the groundswell for Geneva on this list to be a bit
> self-serving. Of course your Geneva-based orgs want it to stay
> there. I don’t see why IGC should endorse that as a “pro civil
> society” position.
>
>
> The only argument of any merit is the visa difficulty issue – if, as
> Tracy calls into question, that difference still exists.
>
>
>
> Europe is emotionally healthier than the United States. US, in its
> paranoia, has become a destination for strip searches and it is becoming
> increasingly unpleasant for the rest of the world to travel to the US.
> Until this changes, US is a destination unfit for international events,
> especially the ones that require International Public participation.
>
> Sivasubramanian M.
>
>
> I have my own self-interest, of course, but it seems to me that WSIS
> and IGF both are highly Euro-centric operations and it would be good
> to move it away from Europe for at least once. Whether its NY or
> Vancouver or Hong Kong or Panama matters less to me, although of
> course NYC is most convenient to me.
>
> Wolfgang’s argument that there are more CS organizations in Geneva
> seems false to me; there are probably more CS organizations in the
> 300-mi radius of NYC (which includes Montreal and probably also
> Toronto) than anywhere else in the world.
>
> As a strict empirical test of the “reduced participation” claim, let
> me point out that the March 2004 WGIG-inspired meeting in New York
> was more widely attended than any subsequent WGIG consultation. I
> think you can count on a bang-up turnout, if nothing else, if you
> hold it in NY.
>
> *From:* William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch
> <mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 06, 2010 3:23 PM
> *To:* Sivasubramanian M
> *Cc:* Governance List
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
>
> Hi
>
> Just read the ICC's statement, which states in part, "The WSIS
> action lines Forum events in Geneva have drawn upon the fact that
> many key organizations are located in Geneva, and the participation
> of many stakeholders, business included, has been facilitated by the
> fact that other WSIS related activities take place around the same
> dates. This has enabled participation by many because it took into
> account the limited time, financial and human resources of many
> across stakeholder groups. Organizing the WSIS action lines Forum
> 2011 in New York risks decreasing participation because it would
> require extensive travel for those participating in the other WSIS
> related activities in May in Geneva. Feedback from ICC BASIS members
> and other stakeholders indicates that obtaining visas for the US is
> extremely difficult for many particularly from developing countries.
> This would in turn decrease the range of participants. ICC BASIS
> supports having the WSIS action lines Forum 2011 hosted in Geneva,
> or by the next lead facilitator, UNESCO in Paris."
>
>
>http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/BASIS/Documents/ICC_BASIS_stmt_re_WSIS_Forum_2011_venue_FINAL_6Sept10.pdf
>
>
> Is this a reasonable position from an IGC perspective…?
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>
>
>
> 2010/9/6 William Drake <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch
> <mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>>
>
> Hi,
>
> We can toss around ideas about where an ideal venue that causes the
> least hassle for the most people might be, but the WSIS Forum will
> be held in either New York or Geneva. Lee is probably right about
> mainstreaming; the question is, on what/whose terms? Personally, I
> have never noticed that all that many CS people actually attend the
> WSIS Forums in the first place; they're certainly not much in
> evidence on the panels, which are largely selected by ITU on an
> "expert" rather than "stakeholder" basis. But to the extent that
> IG/ICT-oriented CS people do wish to attend, one would think there's
> probably greater synergies and cost effectiveness for them in
> keeping it in Geneva during the same two week bloc as the IGF
> consultation (assuming those remain in Geneva) and the CSTD. For CS
> people working in the other areas that are in the UN NY's bailiwick,
> e.g. disarmament et al, NY is obviously more convenient, but would
> they be all that interested enough in the typical WSIS Forum topics
> to attend? Unclear. And I suppose one could widen the optic
> further and wonder whether this might fit in with larger discussions
> about the management of ICT-related activities connected to DESA…
>
> Should there be an IGC response to ITU's "Open Consultation" (means
> we can use their website, not enter the building), or would
> consensus being difficult to achieve?
>
> If CS does not assert its stakes in WSIS process, the WSIS panels
> could be engineered to lead to conclusions that the ITU desires,
> which would be a step back from the progress that the IGF has made.
>
> There needs to be an IGC response. Also, IGC could reach out to fair
> and neutral international organizations to object to and alter the
> process.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Speaking as an academic for whom I admit New York City is
> convenient and would lowering my personal costs and logistics
> hassles, we can agree that UN venue decisions have impacts that
> may vary depending upon where one is coming from. Geneva is a
> fine (expensive) city, New York has its virtues too.
> >
> > A move to New York for wsis 2011 would to me signal a
> mainstreaming of IG issues wthin UN system; as would
> establishment of a permanent secretariat in yet a 3rd
> (developing?) location.
> >
> > But Wolfgang, the argument that it would be more difficult to
> get media/public attention - in New York City - doesn't make
> much sense to me. In principle it should be easier. There's
> certainly plenty of media outlets hanging around already looking
> for things to talk and write about.
> >
> > Anyway, as I suggested before, while civil society has some
> success at substantive issues around IG, venue/location
> decisions I am afraid remain power politics/business as usual
> choices.
> >
> > Lee
> > ________________________________________
> > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> [wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
> <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>]
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:33 AM
> > To: wsis-info at itu.int <mailto:wsis-info at itu.int>
> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org <mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> > Subject: [governance] WSIS Forum 2011
> >
> > Dear friends
> >
> > I disagree with the argument that a move from Geneva to to
> New York of the WSIS Forum 2011 would improve outreach and bring
> WSIS implementation forward. In contrary I am afraid that a move
> to NewYork will weaken in particular the involvement of civil
> society and the academic community as important stakeholders in
> the WSIS process. A large number of civil society organisations,
> including represenations of organisations from developing
> countries, are based in Geneva or not far from Geneva. Moving
> the event to New York would create additional costs and logistic
> problems for them which would result in lower participation of
> civil society organisations. This would certainly undermine the
> multistakeholder nature of the WSIS implementaiton process.
> >
> > Another risk moving the WSIS Forum 2011 to New York would be
> that the important WSIS issues would be discussed in the shadow
> of more important political and security issues which dominate
> the day to day UN acitvities in New York. The WSIS Forum would
> be just "another conference" and would have difficulties to get
> the needed public attention.
> >
> > Finally I want to flag that in same week the European Union
> has its annual Future of the Internet Week meetings under the
> Hungarian Presidency in Budapest.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Wolfgang Kleinwächter
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