[governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
Meryem Marzouki
meryem at marzouki.info
Mon Sep 6 18:03:40 EDT 2010
Le 6 sept. 10 à 21:53, Ian Peter a écrit :
> Looks good to me – replace ICC with IGC and we have it!
Ian, you should be more careful. Just imagine someone quoting your
'cri du coeur' (hartfelt appeal) without mentioning its object;))
Actually, this object - ICC's statement - is itself a 'cri du coeur'
from the business sector. Not an appeal to consider its poor
situation (business cannot face the cost of travelling to NYC? Not!),
but rather an appeal to stop this clear taking over.
I find it pretty odd - or significant - to see the discussion turned
into a comparative analysis of flight costs and visa burden, instead
of an analysis of the real point, made by Lee: "A move to New York
for wsis 2011 would to me signal a mainstreaming of IG issues wthin
UN system".
+1, then. Especially given the coincidence in the dates of the 65th
session of the UN General Assembly (which should decide on the
continuation of the IGF) and of the result announcement for WSIS
Forum 2011 venue.
Not sure I would back 100% the remaining of Lee's statement, though
("as would establishment of a permanent secretariat in yet a 3rd
(developing?) location.").
In any case, this has a political meaning. Now an interesting
discussion would start from asking whether this meaning would be a
good sign or not, in what sense and for whom.
Best,
Meryem
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
> From: William Drake <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, William Drake
> <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:23:19 +0200
> To: Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> Cc: Governance List <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> Subject: Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
>
> Hi
>
> Just read the ICC's statement, which states in part, "The WSIS
> action lines Forum events in Geneva have drawn upon the fact that
> many key organizations are located in Geneva, and the participation
> of many stakeholders, business included, has been facilitated by
> the fact that other WSIS related activities take place around the
> same dates. This has enabled participation by many because it took
> into account the limited time, financial and human resources of
> many across stakeholder groups. Organizing the WSIS action lines
> Forum 2011 in New York risks decreasing participation because it
> would require extensive travel for those participating in the other
> WSIS related activities in May in Geneva. Feedback from ICC BASIS
> members and other stakeholders indicates that obtaining visas for
> the US is extremely difficult for many particularly from developing
> countries. This would in turn decrease the range of participants.
> ICC BASIS supports having the WSIS action lines Forum 2011 hosted
> in Geneva, or by the next lead facilitator, UNESCO in Paris."
>
> http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/BASIS/Documents/
> ICC_BASIS_stmt_re_WSIS_Forum_2011_venue_FINAL_6Sept10.pdf
>
> Is this a reasonable position from an IGC perspective…?
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>
>>
>> 2010/9/6 William Drake <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We can toss around ideas about where an ideal venue that causes
>>> the least hassle for the most people might be, but the WSIS Forum
>>> will be held in either New York or Geneva. Lee is probably
>>> right about mainstreaming; the question is, on what/whose terms?
>>> Personally, I have never noticed that all that many CS people
>>> actually attend the WSIS Forums in the first place; they're
>>> certainly not much in evidence on the panels, which are largely
>>> selected by ITU on an "expert" rather than "stakeholder" basis.
>>> But to the extent that IG/ICT-oriented CS people do wish to
>>> attend, one would think there's probably greater synergies and
>>> cost effectiveness for them in keeping it in Geneva during the
>>> same two week bloc as the IGF consultation (assuming those remain
>>> in Geneva) and the CSTD. For CS people working in the other
>>> areas that are in the UN NY's bailiwick, e.g. disarmament et al,
>>> NY is obviously more convenient, but would they be all that
>>> interested enough in the typical WSIS Forum topics to attend?
>>> Unclear. And I suppose one could widen the optic further and
>>> wonder whether this might fit in with larger discussions about
>>> the management of ICT-related activities connected to DESA…
>>>
>>> Should there be an IGC response to ITU's "Open
>>> Consultation" (means we can use their website, not enter the
>>> building), or would consensus being difficult to achieve?
>>
>> If CS does not assert its stakes in WSIS process, the WSIS panels
>> could be engineered to lead to conclusions that the ITU desires,
>> which would be a step back from the progress that the IGF has made.
>>
>> There needs to be an IGC response. Also, IGC could reach out to
>> fair and neutral international organizations to object to and
>> alter the process.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Speaking as an academic for whom I admit New York City is
>>> convenient and would lowering my personal costs and logistics
>>> hassles, we can agree that UN venue decisions have impacts that
>>> may vary depending upon where one is coming from. Geneva is a
>>> fine (expensive) city, New York has its virtues too.
>>> >
>>> > A move to New York for wsis 2011 would to me signal a
>>> mainstreaming of IG issues wthin UN system; as would
>>> establishment of a permanent secretariat in yet a 3rd
>>> (developing?) location.
>>> >
>>> > But Wolfgang, the argument that it would be more difficult to
>>> get media/public attention - in New York City - doesn't make
>>> much sense to me. In principle it should be easier. There's
>>> certainly plenty of media outlets hanging around already looking
>>> for things to talk and write about.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, as I suggested before, while civil society has some
>>> success at substantive issues around IG, venue/location decisions
>>> I am afraid remain power politics/business as usual choices.
>>> >
>>> > Lee
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: "Kleinwächter,
>>> Wolfgang" [wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
>>> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:33 AM
>>> > To: wsis-info at itu.int
>>> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>> > Subject: [governance] WSIS Forum 2011
>>> >
>>> > Dear friends
>>> >
>>> > I disagree with the argument that a move from Geneva to to New
>>> York of the WSIS Forum 2011 would improve outreach and bring WSIS
>>> implementation forward. In contrary I am afraid that a move to
>>> NewYork will weaken in particular the involvement of civil
>>> society and the academic community as important stakeholders in
>>> the WSIS process. A large number of civil society organisations,
>>> including represenations of organisations from developing
>>> countries, are based in Geneva or not far from Geneva. Moving the
>>> event to New York would create additional costs and logistic
>>> problems for them which would result in lower participation of
>>> civil society organisations. This would certainly undermine the
>>> multistakeholder nature of the WSIS implementaiton process.
>>> >
>>> > Another risk moving the WSIS Forum 2011 to New York would be
>>> that the important WSIS issues would be discussed in the shadow
>>> of more important political and security issues which dominate
>>> the day to day UN acitvities in New York. The WSIS Forum would be
>>> just "another conference" and would have difficulties to get the
>>> needed public attention.
>>> >
>>> > Finally I want to flag that in same week the European Union has
>>> its annual Future of the Internet Week meetings under the
>>> Hungarian Presidency in Budapest.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Wolfgang Kleinwächter
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