[governance] Re: SECOND DRAFT statement on enhanced cooperation

[Jovan Kurbalija]

Lee,

I suggest caution with the use of the word "grid" for a few reasons...

Semantically, 'grid' implies a well-ordered structure (rows/columns). IG 
is far from being so well-organised.

Technically, 'grid' contradicts some of the basic premises of the 
Internet. I recently participated in a discussion on CERN's Worldwide 
LHC Computing Grid (which provides data support for the "big-bang" 
experiment at CERN). It is clear that CERN's grid, which is a principal 
deployment of the grid model, is hierarchical, location-aware and 
centrally planned. It does not provide for a decoupling of layers, which 
was achieved in the very early days of the Internet. The lack of 
decoupling oflayers leads to a problem with robustness, development of 
new applications, etc. All in all, CERN is considering some sort of 
merger or even evolution towards cloud computing, which is much better 
in virtualisation of resources (mainly by decoupling layers). Business 
abandoned the grid concept and moved to the cloud a few years ago.

Interestingly enough, both of the terms 'web' and 'grid' were coined 
within the CERN project, although for different purposes. I still think 
that 'web' both reflects better what occurs in the IG-field, and has 
better future than grid. Given the fuzziness, sometimes confusion of IG, 
'cloud' could be even better. This would also help speechwriters a lot - 
so many possible metaphors with clouds, blue sky, etc.

Marilia mentioned 'IG ecology', which is probably the best description. 
However, there are two possible confusions. One is with ISOC's Internet 
ecology. The other is with the most frequent connotation of ecology with 
environment and climate change.

What about "IG sphere"? Other suggestions?

Jovan


On 11/7/10 1:58 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
> Wolfgang,
>
> Agreed the ITU PP is a step in the right direction. Though in practice ITU&  IETF have been - practicing - enhanced cooperation for years as was discussed a while back on the list.
>
> Extending that more formally to a broader group of orgs is a good thing, but more of an incremental step than radical break with past practice. And it still leaves civil society in the cheap seats/as spectators at (most) ITU events, typically.
>
> On another note - and no offense - but can we stop talking about at an 'IG Web' - that sounds so 1990s.
>
> IG Cloud would be trendier but even vaguer.
>
> I suppose IG Grid would be my preference, connoting simultaneous info and resource sharing across..the grid.
>
> Lee
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de]
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria; IGC
> Subject: AW: [governance] Re: SECOND DRAFT statement on enhanced cooperation
>
> Hi all
>
> It makes little sense to continue a theoretical discussion on "enhanced cooperation" when the practical process is moving forward and is creating new facts and opportunities. Do not underestimate the outcome of the ITU PP in Guadalajara with regard to "enhanced cooperation". In my eyes this is really a door opener and a breakthorugh towards a new more issue related "enhanced cooperation" among all players. The fact that the ITU calls in a resolution, adopted by all its 193 member states, for greater "collaboration and coordination" (remember our EC³ definition of enhanced cooperation from 2007) between the ITU on the one hand and ICANN, RIR, W3C, IETF and ISOC (on a reciprocity basis) on the other hand is very remarkable. If you take it seriously what Toure told Kieran Mc Carthy in his interview and look into Beckstroms letter to the ITU from June (published only recently) than you can see that "enhanced cooperation" is moving forward in the right way and gets substance.
>
> We did not discuss here the idea to create a network of formal arrangements, something like an "IG Web", among all these governmental and non-governmental players. UNESCO (an intergovernmental organisation) and ICANN (a private corporation) created an interesting model of a formalized IG oriented mutual bilateral relationship. The "Letter of Intent" (LOI), signed in Vilnjus, is a good source of inspiration, also for a formalization of the ICANN-ITU relationship. Will we see more of them, also with other players? Probably we will see the emergence of a network of fomalized bilatertal relationship in a very multilateral/multistakeholder environment. I called this previously the IG "Spaghetti Ball". So enhanced cooperation is moving foreward.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> EC³ was defined - in an expert meeting during following the 2007 Summer School on Internet Governance as follows "Enhanced cooperation in Internet Governance is the enhanced communication, coordination and collaboration (EC³) among non-govenrmental and inter-governmental institutions and organisations in developing norms, principles, programmes and procedures for the governance of the Internet in an informal or, when and where needed, formalized way."
>
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