[governance] Re: SECOND DRAFT statement on enhanced cooperation

[parminder]

Avri,

Thanks for your detailed response. A few responses/ questions for the 
present.

On Saturday 06 November 2010 08:28 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> (BTW, a true practice of this ideology should entail giving up of all government provided benefits and protection, for the purpose of which ,in the present circumstances, maybe taking up residence in Southern Afganistan will be the best exemplar. Such an experience may be quite insightful.)
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> Not my position, man. e.g.  I want a government led/regulated single payer health system in the US.
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I am happy to hear that. But do you have a particular reason why US's 
health policy should not be decided only in completely open forums , 
which are fully multistakeholder, only if we get complete consensus, 
also fully involving health insurance companies and drug companies who 
must completely agree too? I am of course picking up from, what appears 
to me, is your preference for such a model for global IG. If not so, can 
you please again explain how policies get made in your model.

I really do not understand it. Isnt US gov like all other govs based on 
an imperfect representational system, which we shd continuously try to 
improve, *but not an the expense of creating a policy making vacuum*.

Further, you  asked is your governance model 'specific enough'. Really, 
but I did not see any governance model for making global policies there. 
(CIRs is not what I am taking about.) I mean, can you tell me how I can 
have democratically negotiated cyber security treaties rather than done 
by the OECD and forced on others, same with Internet related issues 
included in ACTA, and much more is slated to come. All this will be 
pushed through FTAs on non OECD countries.  Many policies and 
preferences of the West just come through technology models - and we 
take it or leave it, such is the global might of the involved tech 
companies, who of course do much more carefully listen to US gov and 
stronger European countries.

You think we need health policies but not Internet policies? Again, any 
particular reason? parminder

> But you do a good job of arguing ad absurdum.  Be careful though.  When one argues the ad absurdum, I have found, there is always someone you can convince with your absurd argument.  Just look at recent US elections, people can be convinced of anything at times.  But that's representational democracy. I digress.
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>> >  Any system systematically developing and enforcing public policies is in effect a government. we can have a good - more inclusive, transparent, accountable, progressive etc - government or governance system, or a bad one.
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> I disagree that governance is the province of governments. Any governance system can and should go beyond the governments.  First, all governments are just local affairs for some definition of local, with no world government either in existence or in the offing. Further, governments, the best of which have a strong representative democracy - and there are few that meet this criteria, are just touching the tip of what it means to be democratic.  True democracy builds its base on the representative 1 person 1 vote (though some are still just 1 man 1 vote, or just  1 landowner 1 vote ...) model, but goes far beyond that into participatory democracy.  Representative democracy may be the foundation of democracy, but it does not provide a full edifice for full democracy.
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