[governance] SECOND DRAFT suggested statement on MAG's future

Fri May 7 11:54:22 EDT 2010

Dear esteemed Imran Ahmed Shah,

In this work of Internet Governance you will often produce great work and yet not get to have a formal presentation.  It is very good that you explore and take advantage of any opportunity to "avail" yourself of a forum.

But it is perhaps most important that you keep up the hard work and publish it where you can without expectations that someone or group will hold it up in honor. No matter what course follows your ideas they have been planted in the minds of many and therefor incorporated in their viewpoints and knowledge base. This may not seem reward or kudos or results enough, but it is always the cumulations of hard unnoted work like yours that changes our world, for the better.

Perhaps a small thankyou from a no one like me, will mean nothing but maybe help to encourage further contributions.  Thank you.

--- On Fri, 5/7/10, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] SECOND DRAFT suggested statement on MAG's future
To: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque at gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy at ciroap.org>, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Imran Ahmed Shah" <ias_pk at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 3:31 PM

Respected Ginger Paque, Avri Doria and Jeremy Malcolm

Thank you very much for considering my contribution and to guide me the better way to submit my proposal into open discussion at May Meeting.

> Most important: We do not have a clear member consensus (in my mind).
With reference to the latest review comments and consultation of Ginger Paque, I fully agree with the importance of members consensus (IGC/ MAG and beyond) for the reorganization of the IGF structure to improve its functionality and usefulness. 

> However, I do think that the most efficient presentation of ideas at this point is through individual MAG members, 
> who can analyze and present these ideas at the MAG meeting on Wednesday. 

I am not a MAG member yet, so I am losing the opportunity to avail this chance.

> If Jeremy and those who are working on a statement should discuss the best way of presenting this, 
> whether as individuals to individual MAG members, 

I am not sure about this, that who will be able to present this proposal in the current meeting, 
If Jeremy or any other member is ready to present this proposal, I can arrange to draft the Document and Presentation before Wednesday. I would also try to incorporate the problems or limitations of the current setup and the benefits of the proposed structure.

> or as a call to the IGC Civil Society members of the MAG 
> to review the points discussed and present them at the MAG meeting.

I would like to prefer your second advise to REQUEST to call for review and consensus among the IGC Civil Society members first.
I understand that it will take time to obtain input from most of the members, which may become possible after the meetings of next week. 

Thanking you 

Best Regards

Imran Ahmed Shah
0092 300 4130617

From: Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Sent: Fri, 7 May, 2010 17:25:21
Subject: Re: [governance] SECOND DRAFT suggested statement on MAG's future

Hi everyone,

Avri and I discussed this, and I consulted with Markus as well. I see two major points here:

Most important: We do not have a clear member consensus (in my mind).

2nd: Avri's point that the planning meeting will not address this issue.

NOTE: if the IGC chooses to do so, we could request the floor and make the statement at the planning meeting. However, I do not think it is the most appropriate or effective way to deal with the issue.

Jeremy and others on the list have carried out a valuable discussion here, and this thoughtful work is NOT lost. It is important. However, I do think that the most efficient presentation of ideas at this point is through individual MAG members, who can analyze and present these ideas at the MAG meeting on Wednesday. 

If Jeremy and those who are working on a statement should discuss the best way of presenting this, whether as individuals to individual MAG members, or as a call to the IGC Civil Society members of the MAG to review the points discussed and present them at the MAG meeting.

gp

On 5/7/2010 6:10 AM, Avri Doria wrote: 

On 6 May 2010, at 03:16, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:

Maybe a step forward (regardless of the reception of your idea on this list) would be for you to post it as an individual as an input to the May open consultation and MAG meeting.

    Hi,

I just wanted to point out that there not really a consultation in May, but rather a two day planning meeting which will be focused on planning for the program and the workshops.   This is intended as a open working session like last years planning meeting.

On the third day, there will be a meeting of the MAG which I believe is open but which will not really be a consultation - its structure is up to the chair and MAG to decide at the time.  I expect it to be more like a MAG meeting then a consultation.

While there may be some time for a few statements, I don't know yet, the best way to make sure the IGC's points get made is to have some of the MAG members who are also IGC members champion the proposal (or at least bring it up) within the MAG.

a.

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