[governance] [2 of 6] How best to nominate non governmental (UN-ICANN)

[Jeanette Hofmann]

Hi,

Eric Dierker wrote:
> At first blush Milton's argument may seem like an "if you build it they 
> will come" form of logic.  On full reading it is clearly not. Milton 
> makes a clear case that indeed, as we write, there is no more fitting 
> center for IG.


The fact that there is no more fitting center doesn't necessarily make 
the IGC a fitting body for selecting members for the MAG.

  I go further and leave out the caveat "for civil
> society", as in my belief that is apriori.* Jeanette had me going until 
> off list she offered no more sound rationale than that espoused here. 
> Rather bluntly, Milton's last paragraph covers the reason - protectionism.

Could you perhaps just accept that I don't share your opinion and stop 
speculating about my motives?

jeanette

>  
> There was debate about putting the ICANN ballywick under the auspices of 
> the UN.  As an authoritarian type mandate it was nixed. Certainly the 
> success of ICANN independent was not reason for the denial of concept.  
> The rationale most agreed to was UN failure. But no one ever suggested 
> that UN input was a bad idea and/or not beneficial. However the UN had 
> no mechanism with credibility with which to accomplish positive guidance 
> and influencial input. Milton's position seems to suggest that it now 
> does and maybe should be revisited.  So I suggest we not only look to 
> the IGC for input into the UN, but at a good opportunity for UN input 
> into the IG.
>  
>  
> *No one ever suggests _un_civil society help with IG ;-)  ergo rogare 
> mia sum
> 
> --- On *Fri, 6/11/10, Milton L Mueller /<mueller at syr.edu>/* wrote:
> 
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu
>     <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeanette@wzb.eu>]
>      > Hi, b does not offer a workable solution because the caucus is
>     not the
>      > global representative of civil society in the field of Internet
>      > governance. After years and years of this debate it would be really
>      > good if we could come to terms with the fact that people choose
>     different
>      > avenues for applying for a seat on the MAG. If we want to suggest new
>      > ways of selecting members, we need to take into consideration
>     that the
>      > IGC is not and will not be the center of the civil society world.
> 
>     I don't agree. IGC is the closest thing there is to a global nexus
>     for civil society discussion of IG. If the Secretariat or UN were to
>     ratify it as the basis for selection, then many others would join
>     it. Whatever the flaws and limitations of IGC, it is much more
>     transparent and open a space for CS than people sidling up to their
>     governments or businesses behind the scenes and asking them to be
>     appointed to "represent" CS.
> 
>     The truth of my assertion can stand up to a very simple test: name
>     ONE other organization or process that is superior to IGC in any
>     important respect: embedded knowledge of IGF and its processes; more
>     active participation by CS people involved in IG; linkages to WSIS
>     and its resolutions and processes. Name one.
> 
>     A nominating committee? Don't make me laugh. Appointed by whom?
>     Using what process?
>     Nominating committees are just ways for insider groups to perpetuate
>     themselves. We all know this from the ICANN process.
> 
>     --MM
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