From gadi at anime.org Thu Jul 1 08:23:57 2010 From: gadi at anime.org (Gadi Evron) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:23:57 +0300 Subject: [governance] Finland makes broadband access a legal right Message-ID: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/01/finland.broadband/index.html?hpt=T2 Interesting.... ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gadi at anime.org Thu Jul 1 09:27:12 2010 From: gadi at anime.org (Gadi Evron) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:27:12 +0300 Subject: [governance] The Economist, cyberwar issue Message-ID: <03C811BC-D4D1-4A19-815B-4A4E655FEC10@anime.org> The upcoming issue will be about cyber war. Check out the front page image: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs488.snc3/26668_410367784059_6013004059_4296972_499550_n.jpg Gadi. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 09:57:21 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 06:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Proposed Judgment: Ticketmaster / Live Nation ordered to divest TIcketmaster Host Platform & Paciolan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <155796.15472.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Paul, Would you please instruct me how to think regarding this matter. My little brain keeps jumping back and forth. My balancing act between free open market and some judge deciding the propriety of competition versus efficiency is having trouble grasping this. I buy tickets for entertainment online and in person,, I have never felt a pinch by these guys. Eric, Fellow Jurisprudencia doctorate ________________________________ From: Paul Lehto To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 2:42:18 PM Subject: [governance] Proposed Judgment: Ticketmaster / Live Nation ordered to divest TIcketmaster Host Platform & Paciolan The US government proposed today a Final Judgment for review and approval by the federal judge in the antitrust case against Ticketmaster and LiveNation, involving control of North American ticket sales via sales primarily accomplished via the internet. The proposed Judgment, already agreed to by the parties to the case but to come before the judge for review in terms of compliance with the public interest, requires Ticketmaster and LiveNation to divest themselves, within 60 days, of a license to operate the Ticketmaster Host Platform software (including source code) in any manner the Acquirer sees fit, as well as Paciolan, Inc, in its entirety. The proposed order provides in part: "Defendants are ordered and directed, concurrently with the closing of the Merger, to enter into a Letter of Intent to divest Paciolan to Comcast-Spectacor in a manner consistent with this Final Judgment. Within sixty (60) calendar days of closing the Merger, Defendants shall complete the divestiture of Paciolan in a manner consistent with this Final Judgment to Comcast-Spectacor or an alternative Acquirer acceptable to the United States, in its sole discretion, after consultation with Plaintiff States." The entire proposed judgment can be viewed at http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f260100/260171.htm Paul Lehto, Juris Doctor ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 10:05:54 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 07:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] IGF and TLDs In-Reply-To: <4C2A9D03.9070103@cavebear.com> References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20100629171109.05db2e78@jefsey.com> <2DF30816-798B-4AC0-80BE-08C8F01D09CA@psg.com> <4C2A9D03.9070103@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <727855.21688.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> So Karl, Why are the big money players sticking with this ICANN myopia. I do not see it as cost effective or advantageous that they should stay in the ICANN sandbox. Where is the disconnect between policy in direction of expenditures and the technical possibility/reality? ________________________________ From: Karl Auerbach To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 6:25:23 PM Subject: Re: [governance] IGF and TLDs On 06/29/2010 02:32 PM, Avri Doria wrote: > no one is stopping anyone from defining another naming system > according to rfc3986 and the protocols that go along with it. it is > just that there is no uptake for it at the moment (or even research > support as far as i can tell). At a technical level, there is nothing stopping anyone from building anything - the end-to-end principle exists, at least in theory. However, given the increasing number of internet walls, proxies, NATs, application-embedded rules, and application layer gateways, anything out of the ordinary may have a hard time getting its packets from hither to yon. At a commercial level, however, ICANN has played "Chicken Little" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_%28fable%29 ) and spread FUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt ) to discourage anyone from experimenting on anything in the realm of DNS that is not approved by ICANN, most particularly in the area of competing roots. (I have heard, but I have not looked myself, that ICANN's contracts require TLD aspirants to promise to refrain from engaging in any business practice that could be construed as recognition of any root other than the ICANN/NTIA/Verisign root. I'd like to know whether I'm hearing truth or false in this regard.) Leaping back to technology - There are already people practicing variations on DNS - Is it Ultranet that is offering filtered DNS services so that people can purchase constrained views of the internet DNS landscape? Any the deployment of Anycast based routing to root and tld servers was done by technical people despite ICANN rather than with ICANN. In the cloud computing area it has become abundantly clear that DNS simply does not do the job. In clouds - where applications can split and merge and move - DNS simply is inadequate. There are systems, such as IF-MAP, that are more agile than DNS and also are more immune than DNS to single points of failure or political control. (Such new systems might use DNS names as internal tokens - so DNS isn't going away, rather it might simply be moved into the internet infrastructure basement where most users don't see it as distinctly as they do today.) --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com Thu Jul 1 10:30:54 2010 From: yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?WXJq9iBM5G5zaXB1cm8=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:30:54 +0300 Subject: [governance] First Finnish Internet Forum, Helsinki, Sept. 20-21, 2010 Message-ID: Dear all, ISOC Finland is arranging, in cooperation with the Finnish Parliament, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Transport and Communications and some other organisations, the first national Internet Governance meeting in Finland. http://internetforum.fi/ The meeting takes place after the conclusion of the 5th international Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Vilnius the week before. The sessions of the first day will be in English and those of the second day, Finnish. Because the meeting is held in the premises of the Parliament attendance is by invitation only. If you want to participate, please contact me or use the contact form (http://internetforum.fi/feedback.html) and we'll arrange the invitations. Best regards, Yrjö _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 11:58:06 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] First Finnish Internet Forum, Helsinki, Sept. 20-21, 2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <184552.42903.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yrjo, I write, not in advocacy but in hopes that your fine people deliberate long and hard regarding the balancing between national cultural integrity and open and multinational incorporation. Too often for nations the tone of the discussions is picked up from existing international groups, dialog and conventional norms brought about by existing international inclusiveness and open boundaries. And still the opposite is true, nationalistic fervor often turns a blind eye to the value of access to world knowledge and benefits thereof in the rough guise of security and isolationism. My interest in Finlandia stems from my upbringing and association with Hopi and Navajo Native Americans. A whole world apart but so clearly anthropologically similar to the Native cultures of your land. It drives home the undeniable fact that as world citizens we are much closer in our roots than geography and current politics may lead us to believe. In this vein, global inclusiveness is healthy and hopeful and good. The more we accept our individual likeness the more we can empathize and identify with others, thereby increasing knowledge and decreasing conflict. But we must be ever mindful that this simplistic view is often usurped by those who would literally destroy cultures in order to create homogeneous selling and control zones of influence. The key to appropriate evaluation and implementation of National governance on communications is flexibility and dynamics. I hope that you make strong laws and rules and regulations to protect that which is unique and valuable to your culture and countrymen and women and children. But I implore you to make such guidelines and restrictions have natural review and closure dates that require constant evaluation and critical analysis so as not to restrict the inevitable changes and growth which if guided is good but if left unchecked is dangerous to integrity of a people. Keep that which sacrosanct protected. Remain vigilante to grow and evolve so that it happens with health and progress not mutation and division. Let your cultural values be your guide and understanding be your motivation. Eric ________________________________ From: Yrjö Länsipuro To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 7:30:54 AM Subject: [governance] First Finnish Internet Forum, Helsinki, Sept. 20-21, 2010 Dear all, ISOC Finland is arranging, in cooperation with the Finnish Parliament, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Transport and Communications and some other organisations, the first national Internet Governance meeting in Finland. http://internetforum.fi/ The meeting takes place after the conclusion of the 5th international Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Vilnius the week before. The sessions of the first day will be in English and those of the second day, Finnish. Because the meeting is held in the premises of the Parliament attendance is by invitation only. If you want to participate, please contact me or use the contact form (http://internetforum.fi/feedback.html) and we'll arrange the invitations. Best regards, Yrjö ________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From toml at communisphere.com Thu Jul 1 12:41:16 2010 From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:41:16 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nail Biting and Remote Participation in the Geneva IGF Open Consultations References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <811852.98409.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> Eric, Sorry for taking so long to get back but it was to be a busy week before all of the below happened. After 2 + months of planning and preparation of the City TLD Governance and Best Practices workshop I'd proposed for IGF Vilnius, I received the below "get ready" email from Ginger on Sunday afternoon. I'd given some thought to checking in to Geneva from NYC but thought, with the clearly identified need and great panel we'd put together, that acceptance would be unquestioned. But Ginger's note got me to rethink the situation. (I'll not hold anyone in suspense here and will note that the workshop is scheduled for Friday, September 17, 2:30-4:30 at the Lithuanian Exhibition and Conference Center, Room 5. This message is a review of the nail biting experience the Open Consultations turned out to be and to comment on an appropriate interface for such an event in 2010.) After getting Ginger's email I said, humm, maybe I should send an email to the igf at unog.ch requesting an update, and did so. And a later email suggested I update IGF at june2010 at intgovforum.org. I'd just sent an update to this list and decided to modify it and send a copy to the june2010 address. On Monday morning I got up at 4 AM and connected to the official remote platform in Geneva. I got a reasonably steady video stream with a scribe text below. (Could have been the early morning, but at times it seemed that the scribe was ahead of the video.) To the right was a chat feature. Enter your name, get moderator OK, and it seemed like comments were posted somewhat real-time. But I wasn't sure. My confidence about easy approval waned substantially on Monday afternoon, Geneva time, when the review of the 150 or so submissions for workshops started. The moderator, Nitin Desai noted that there were 60 slots. And many had been green-lighted before the meeting. So I started biting the nails. But I couldn't do a good job of that because I realized that there were people in the room that were scheduled to be on the panel and IGC people who'd volunteered to assist. So I start searching for email address of those in the room to urge them to speak up (the addresses were of course on another machine and I needed to run back and forth forwarding emails from one machine to another). And then I was told that Twitter hash #igf10 was the place to communicate with IGCers So I'm sending emails, monitoring the video - and occasionally looking to the scribe for clarification, watching the remote platform chat to the right - there were apparently a few of these depending upon which video or audio channel you connected on, Twittering questions and monitoring same. This didn't leave much time for the nail biting, which was quite necessary as objections were raised, clarifications mostly, and a question as to the category it should be listed under - Critical Infrastructure or Capacity Building. But by the end of the day thanks to Bertrand, Wolfgang, Marilia, the official chat moderator (my apologies for not recording her name), Ginger, and Thomas Schneider and Marilyn Cade (who may not be on this list), the excellent moderation by Nitin Desai on Monday and Markus Kummer on Tuesday, and perhaps others, the workshop was approved. On Tuesday morning scheduling was to be the issue. I arose and started connecting to the remote platform at 4:30, which is when they'd finally started on Monday. As I was connecting I heard them discussing workshop 50 - City TLDs. It was a bad connection - I should have rebooted the 5 year old laptop - and needed to open a voice only participation window. Someone was questioning why panel 50 was needed and "what are these City TLDs, that's not an ICANN term?" I went quickly back to the nail biting as all the channels were of no use during the heat of the discussion - I did use the official chat feature but it seemed very ineffective for the discussion underway. But Wolfgang, Bertrand, and Marilyn - possibly others - saved the panel. A chat message I sent agreeing to the proposed modification (to include an additional view on the panel) was referred to by the Markus Kummer in closing debate. The workshop survived and was scheduled for September 17 - details above. I'm writing to thank everyone who assisted the workshops creation - those who agreed to be on the panel and those many in Geneva who moved it through the Consultations, and to Eric (and others) who sent mojo. I'd also like to note that I needed a better interface to effectively participate in a remote event like this. For today I'll comment only on needs on my end: An Event Screen that organizes the video, scribe, platform chat, Twitter, and emails would be quite helpful. (Next year it might be to include Facebook.) But it worked. I'm not sure how my emails, tweets, and chats influenced the decision, but it was comforting to fell part of the discussion. With all this we're still 2+ months away from Vilnius and the opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. I invite all of you to tune your Event Screens to our workshop on September 17 and offer suggestions prior. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Dierker To: governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Ginger Paque ; Thomas Lowenhaupt ; igf at unog.ch ; Marilia Maciel Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Update on City TLD Governance and Best Practices Thomas, I am sending good intentions for your endeavor. Update when you have a chance this morning please? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ginger Paque To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Thomas Lowenhaupt ; igf at unog.ch; Marilia Maciel Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 1:07:59 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Update on City TLD Governance and Best Practices Hi Thomas, I hope you have seen the email on remote participation details as your participation is important. If not, you or anyone else that is interested in RP should email me privately, please. Marilia Maciel will be present in Geneva, and handling remote moderation. I suggest you prepare a short 'intervention' and send it to her to be read, or arrange to read it yourself. It sounds like you have an excellent panel prepared. Have you written to igf at unog.ch (copied on this email) to ask for an update? Anything you can confirm before the meeting will facilitate the process. Good luck! Best, Ginger On 6/27/2010 3:16 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: With the IGF Vilnius Open Consultation beginning tomorrow, here's an update on my efforts on behalf of a proposed City TLD Governance and Best Practices Workshop. I'd appreciate advice as to any steps I might take to facilitate its acceptance. Over the past couple of months I've contacted directly, and, via this and a few other lists, several hundred people inviting participation on the City TLD Workshop. From an expertise perspective, I've received confirmations from an exceptional group. Listed in order of their acceptance, the prospective participants are Wolfgang Kleinwächter, Dirk Krischenowski, Bertrand de La Chapelle, Werner Staub, Thomas Schneider, Hong Xue, Sébastien Bachollet, Hawa Diakite, Ana Cristina Amoroso das Neves, Jonathan Shea (via remote participation), Izumi Aizu. With my first in-person participation on a TLD workshop having taken place at the 2006 Prague Studienkreis, I knew there was enough expertise to make the panel productive with the arrival of Wolfgang's acceptance. And as each new one arrived, I saw layer upon later of expertise being added to the workshop. I've also received a "Yes, if it fits with my other panels" acceptance from a highly desired panelist. As well, I've three outstanding invites: to someone from the U.S. government to comment on the impact city TLDs might have on urban affairs, particularly regionalization. If nothing comes through, perhaps an existing panelist might comment on that. The New York City government's response, "if there was a definite application filing time we would surely be able to arrange something" might change if the ICANN timeline is clearer by September. The third outstanding invite, to someone from the common pool resource community, is one I'm very hopeful about getting a positive response. Question: What is the status of the participant list going forward: can it be changed, do I continue the pursuit? As we approach Vilnius my plan is to reach out to global cities considering TLDs, request questions and share these with panelists in preparation. For tomorrow's meeting, I'll be participating through the remote channels. I'd appreciate any of you who will be in Geneva speaking up for the City TLD workshop when appropriate. Beyond the fruitful topic and great participants, you might point out we should have good technical scores: reasonable geographic and gender balance and both moderators at the ready. If you have a question or feel I've missed something, please let me know. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt --------------------------- Thomas Lowenhaupt, Founder & Chair Connecting.nyc Inc. tom at connectingnyc.org Jackson Hts., NYC 11372 718 639 4222 Web Wiki Blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 13:11:54 2010 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:11:54 -0300 Subject: [governance] Nail Biting and Remote Participation in the Geneva In-Reply-To: <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <811852.98409.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> Message-ID: Dear Thomas, Nice to hear that remote participation was effective. Your e-mails and messages did have an impact. Raquel and I have read them and they have helped to clarify your proposal. The nail-biting was experienced by those physically present as well, as it took us several reviews of the workshop list in order to make final decisions. The suspense lasted until the end. Thanks for your very pertinent suggestions regarding remote participation. They are important to continue improving it in upcoming events. Best wishes, Marília On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > Eric, > > Sorry for taking so long to get back but it was to be a busy week before > all of the below happened. > > After 2 + months of planning and preparation of the City TLD Governance and > Best Practices workshop I'd proposed for IGF Vilnius, I received the below > "get ready" email from Ginger on Sunday afternoon. I'd given some thought to > checking in to Geneva from NYC but thought, with the clearly identified need > and great panel we'd put together, that acceptance would be unquestioned. But > Ginger's note got me to rethink the situation. > > (I'll not hold anyone in suspense here and will note that the workshop is > scheduled for Friday, September 17, 2:30-4:30 at the Lithuanian Exhibition > and Conference Center, Room 5. This message is a review of the nail biting > experience the Open Consultations turned out to be and to comment on an > appropriate interface for such an event in 2010.) > > After getting Ginger's email I said, humm, maybe I should send an email to > the igf at unog.ch requesting an update, and did so. And a later > email suggested I update IGF at *june2010 at intgovforum.org*. I'd just sent > an update to this list and decided to modify it and send a copy to the > june2010 address. > > On Monday morning I got up at 4 AM and connected to the official remote > platform in Geneva. I got a reasonably steady video stream with a scribe > text below. (Could have been the early morning, but at times it seemed that > the scribe was ahead of the video.) To the right was a chat feature. Enter > your name, get moderator OK, and it seemed like comments were posted > somewhat real-time. But I wasn't sure. > > My confidence about easy approval waned substantially on Monday afternoon, > Geneva time, when the review of the 150 or so submissions for workshops > started. The moderator, Nitin Desai noted that there were 60 slots. And many > had been green-lighted before the meeting. So I started biting the nails. > But I couldn't do a good job of that because I realized that there were > people in the room that were scheduled to be on the panel and IGC > people who'd volunteered to assist. So I start searching for email address > of those in the room to urge them to speak up (the addresses were of course > on another machine and I needed to run back and forth forwarding emails from > one machine to another). And then I was told that Twitter hash #igf10 was > the place to communicate with IGCers So I'm sending emails, monitoring the > video - and occasionally looking to the scribe for clarification, watching > the remote platform chat to the right - there were apparently a few of these > depending upon which video or audio channel you connected on, Twittering > questions and monitoring same. This didn't leave much time for the nail > biting, which was quite necessary as objections were raised, clarifications > mostly, and a question as to the category it should be listed under - > Critical Infrastructure or Capacity Building. But by the end of the day > thanks to Bertrand, Wolfgang, Marilia, the official chat moderator (my > apologies for not recording her name), Ginger, and Thomas Schneider and > Marilyn Cade (who may not be on this list), the excellent moderation by > Nitin Desai on Monday and Markus Kummer on Tuesday, and perhaps others, the > workshop was approved. > > On Tuesday morning scheduling was to be the issue. I arose and started > connecting to the remote platform at 4:30, which is when they'd finally > started on Monday. As I was connecting I heard them discussing workshop 50 - > City TLDs. It was a bad connection - I should have rebooted the 5 year old > laptop - and needed to open a voice only participation window. Someone was > questioning why panel 50 was needed and "what are these City TLDs, that's > not an ICANN term?" I went quickly back to the nail biting as all the > channels were of no use during the heat of the discussion - I did use the > official chat feature but it seemed very ineffective for the discussion > underway. But Wolfgang, Bertrand, and Marilyn - possibly others - saved the > panel. A chat message I sent agreeing to the proposed modification (to > include an additional view on the panel) was referred to by the Markus > Kummer in closing debate. > > The workshop survived and was scheduled for September 17 - details above. > > I'm writing to thank everyone who assisted the workshops creation - those > who agreed to be on the panel and those many in Geneva who moved it through > the Consultations, and to Eric (and others) who sent mojo. I'd also like to > note that I needed a better interface to effectively participate in a remote > event like this. For today I'll comment only on needs on my end: An Event > Screen that organizes the video, scribe, platform chat, Twitter, and emails > would be quite helpful. (Next year it might be to include Facebook.) But it > worked. I'm not sure how my emails, tweets, and chats influenced the > decision, but it was comforting to fell part of the discussion. > > With all this we're still 2+ months away from Vilnius and the opportunity > to actually do something worthwhile. I invite all of you to tune your Event > Screens to our workshop on September 17 and offer suggestions prior. > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Eric Dierker > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Ginger Paque ; Thomas > Lowenhaupt ; igf at unog.ch ; Marilia Maciel > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:29 AM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Update on City TLD Governance and Best > Practices > > Thomas, > > I am sending good intentions for your endeavor. Update when you have a > chance this morning please? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ginger Paque > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Thomas Lowenhaupt ; > igf at unog.ch; Marilia Maciel > *Sent:* Sun, June 27, 2010 1:07:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Update on City TLD Governance and Best > Practices > > Hi Thomas, > I hope you have seen the email on remote participation details as your > participation is important. If not, you or anyone else that is interested in > RP should email me privately, please. Marilia Maciel will be present in > Geneva, and handling remote moderation. I suggest you prepare a short > 'intervention' and send it to her to be read, or arrange to read it > yourself. > > It sounds like you have an excellent panel prepared. Have you written to > igf at unog.ch (copied on this email) to ask for an update? Anything you can > confirm before the meeting will facilitate the process. > > Good luck! Best, Ginger > > On 6/27/2010 3:16 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > With the IGF Vilnius Open Consultation beginning tomorrow, here's an update > on my efforts on behalf of a proposed City TLD Governance and Best Practices > Workshop. I'd appreciate advice as to any steps I might take to facilitate > its acceptance. > > Over the past couple of months I've contacted directly, and, via this and a > few other lists, several hundred people inviting participation on the City > TLD Workshop. From an expertise perspective, I've received confirmations > from an exceptional group. Listed in order of their acceptance, > the prospective participants are Wolfgang Kleinwächter, Dirk Krischenowski, > Bertrand de La Chapelle, Werner Staub, Thomas Schneider, Hong Xue, Sébastien > Bachollet, Hawa Diakite, Ana Cristina Amoroso das Neves, Jonathan Shea (via > remote participation), Izumi Aizu. > > With my first in-person participation on a TLD workshop having taken place > at the 2006 Prague Studienkreis, I knew there was enough expertise to make > the panel productive with the arrival of Wolfgang's acceptance. And as each > new one arrived, I saw layer upon later of expertise being added to the > workshop. > > I've also received a "Yes, if it fits with my other panels" acceptance from > a highly desired panelist. As well, I've three outstanding invites: to > someone from the U.S. government to comment on the impact city TLDs might > have on urban affairs, particularly regionalization. If nothing comes > through, perhaps an existing panelist might comment on that. The New York > City government's response, "if there was a definite application filing time > we would surely be able to arrange something" might change if the ICANN > timeline is clearer by September. The third outstanding invite, to someone > from the common pool resource community, is one I'm very hopeful about > getting a positive response. Question: What is the status of the participant > list going forward: can it be changed, do I continue the pursuit? > > As we approach Vilnius my plan is to reach out to global cities considering > TLDs, request questions and share these with panelists in preparation. > > For tomorrow's meeting, I'll be participating through the remote channels. > I'd appreciate any of you who will be in Geneva speaking up for the City > TLD workshop when appropriate. Beyond the fruitful topic and great > participants, you might point out we should have good technical > scores: reasonable geographic and gender balance and both moderators at the > ready. > > If you have a question or feel I've missed something, please let me know. > > Best, > > Tom Lowenhaupt > --------------------------- > > Thomas Lowenhaupt, Founder & Chair > Connecting.nyc Inc. > > tom at connectingnyc.org > Jackson Hts., NYC 11372 > 718 639 4222 > Web Wiki > Blog > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 13:18:33 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Re: Nail Biting and Remote PARTICIPATION in the Geneva IGF Open Consultations In-Reply-To: <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <811852.98409.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> Message-ID: <380718.31695.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thomas, (allow me to leave the CityTLD alone for this post) What you wrote here is of huge importance. This distance between our office/home/IntCafe and actual interface is larger than we give common credit. All salient minds of this time recognize fight and flight as primal, indeed sometimes ultimate, forces in our conduct as individuals. One can say fear or rage, or one can say pleasure or pain. The motivational theory is similar. Here you began with "nail biting" and then you brought it up close and personal. I posit - that there are many who fail to participate because of a fear of what you related. Combined with a fear of failure and embarrassment. These are stumbling blocks for the individuals who we really need to participate. We most generally combat fear with knowledge and understanding and a full slaying of the boogeyman of self worry caused by ignorance. By sharing this episode I hope that many will feel empowered to overcome that fear and realize it is as normal as the day is long. In likeness I often hope that my embarassment and failure to be smart would encourage others that they need not be brilliant to have an opinion that is worthy to someone. Bravery is not the doing of a great act, it is in the facing and conquering of a great fear. You remind us that for us normal folks it is OK to be afraid of the technology and the movers and shakers and powerful folk. The Hero is the man like Thomas who overcomes with humility and gets something done. And a huge Kudo to all those who assisted you. Synergy is awesome. Eric ________________________________ From: Thomas Lowenhaupt To: Eric Dierker ; governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 9:41:16 AM Subject: Nail Biting and Remote Participation in the Geneva IGF Open Consultations Eric, Sorry for taking so long to get back but it was to be a busy week before all of the below happened. After 2 + months of planning and preparation of the City TLD Governance and Best Practices workshop I'd proposed for IGF Vilnius, I received the below "get ready" email from Ginger on Sunday afternoon. I'd given some thought to checking in to Geneva from NYC but thought, with the clearly identified need and great panel we'd put together, that acceptance would be unquestioned. But Ginger's note got me to rethink the situation. (I'll not hold anyone in suspense here and will note that the workshop is scheduled for Friday, September 17, 2:30-4:30 at the Lithuanian Exhibition and Conference Center, Room 5. This message is a review of the nail biting experience the Open Consultations turned out to be and to comment on an appropriate interface for such an event in 2010.) After getting Ginger's email I said, humm, maybe I should send an email to the igf at unog.ch requesting an update, and did so. And a later email suggested I update IGF at june2010 at intgovforum.org. I'd just sent an update to this list and decided to modify it and send a copy to the june2010 address. On Monday morning I got up at 4 AM and connected to the official remote platform in Geneva. I got a reasonably steady video stream with a scribe text below. (Could have been the early morning, but at times it seemed that the scribe was ahead of the video.) To the right was a chat feature. Enter your name, get moderator OK, and it seemed like comments were posted somewhat real-time. But I wasn't sure. My confidence about easy approval waned substantially on Monday afternoon, Geneva time, when the review of the 150 or so submissions for workshops started. The moderator, Nitin Desai noted that there were 60 slots. And many had been green-lighted before the meeting. So I started biting the nails. But I couldn't do a good job of that because I realized that there were people in the room that were scheduled to be on the panel and IGC people who'd volunteered to assist. So I start searching for email address of those in the room to urge them to speak up (the addresses were of course on another machine and I needed to run back and forth forwarding emails from one machine to another). And then I was told that Twitter hash #igf10 was the place to communicate with IGCers So I'm sending emails, monitoring the video - and occasionally looking to the scribe for clarification, watching the remote platform chat to the right - there were apparently a few of these depending upon which video or audio channel you connected on, Twittering questions and monitoring same. This didn't leave much time for the nail biting, which was quite necessary as objections were raised, clarifications mostly, and a question as to the category it should be listed under - Critical Infrastructure or Capacity Building. But by the end of the day thanks to Bertrand, Wolfgang, Marilia, the official chat moderator (my apologies for not recording her name), Ginger, and Thomas Schneider and Marilyn Cade (who may not be on this list), the excellent moderation by Nitin Desai on Monday and Markus Kummer on Tuesday, and perhaps others, the workshop was approved. On Tuesday morning scheduling was to be the issue. I arose and started connecting to the remote platform at 4:30, which is when they'd finally started on Monday. As I was connecting I heard them discussing workshop 50 - City TLDs. It was a bad connection - I should have rebooted the 5 year old laptop - and needed to open a voice only participation window. Someone was questioning why panel 50 was needed and "what are these City TLDs, that's not an ICANN term?" I went quickly back to the nail biting as all the channels were of no use during the heat of the discussion - I did use the official chat feature but it seemed very ineffective for the discussion underway. But Wolfgang, Bertrand, and Marilyn - possibly others - saved the panel. A chat message I sent agreeing to the proposed modification (to include an additional view on the panel) was referred to by the Markus Kummer in closing debate. The workshop survived and was scheduled for September 17 - details above. I'm writing to thank everyone who assisted the workshops creation - those who agreed to be on the panel and those many in Geneva who moved it through the Consultations, and to Eric (and others) who sent mojo. I'd also like to note that I needed a better interface to effectively participate in a remote event like this. For today I'll comment only on needs on my end: An Event Screen that organizes the video, scribe, platform chat, Twitter, and emails would be quite helpful. (Next year it might be to include Facebook.) But it worked. I'm not sure how my emails, tweets, and chats influenced the decision, but it was comforting to fell part of the discussion. With all this we're still 2+ months away from Vilnius and the opportunity to actually do something worthwhile. I invite all of you to tune your Event Screens to our workshop on September 17 and offer suggestions prior. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt ----- Original Message ----- >From: Eric Dierker >To: governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Ginger Paque ; Thomas > Lowenhaupt ; igf at unog.ch ; Marilia Maciel >Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:29 > AM >Subject: Re: [governance] Update on City > TLD Governance and Best Practices > > >Thomas, > > >I am sending good intentions for your endeavor. Update when you > have a chance this morning please? > > > ________________________________ From: Ginger Paque >To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Thomas > Lowenhaupt ; igf at unog.ch; Marilia Maciel >Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 1:07:59 > PM >Subject: Re: [governance] > Update on City TLD Governance and Best Practices > >Hi Thomas, >I hope you have seen the email on remote > participation details as your participation is important. If not, you or > anyone else that is interested in RP should email me privately, please. > Marilia Maciel will be present in Geneva, and handling remote moderation. I > suggest you prepare a short 'intervention' and send it to her to be read, or > arrange to read it yourself. > >It sounds like you have an excellent > panel prepared. Have you written to igf at unog.ch (copied on this email) to ask for > an update? Anything you can confirm before the meeting will facilitate the > process. > >Good luck! Best, Ginger > >On 6/27/2010 3:16 PM, > Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > >> >>With the IGF Vilnius Open >> Consultation beginning tomorrow, here's an update on my efforts on behalf of >> a proposed City TLD Governance and Best Practices Workshop. I'd >> appreciate advice as to any steps I might take to facilitate its >> acceptance. >> >>Over the past couple of >> months I've contacted directly, and, via this and a few other lists, several >> hundred people inviting participation on the City TLD Workshop. From an >> expertise perspective, I've received confirmations from an >> exceptional group. Listed in order of their acceptance, >> the prospective participants are Wolfgang Kleinwächter, Dirk >> Krischenowski, Bertrand de La Chapelle, Werner Staub, Thomas >> Schneider, Hong Xue, Sébastien Bachollet, Hawa Diakite, Ana Cristina >> Amoroso das Neves, Jonathan Shea (via remote participation), Izumi Aizu. >> >> >>With my first in-person >> participation on a TLD workshop having taken place at the 2006 Prague >> Studienkreis, I knew there was enough expertise to make the panel >> productive with the arrival of Wolfgang's acceptance. And as each new >> one arrived, I saw layer upon later of expertise being added to the >> workshop. >> >>I've also received a "Yes, if >> it fits with my other panels" acceptance from a highly desired panelist. As >> well, I've three outstanding invites: to someone from the U.S. >> government to comment on the impact city TLDs might have on urban affairs, >> particularly regionalization. If nothing comes through, perhaps an existing >> panelist might comment on that. The New York City government's response, "if there >> was a definite application filing time we would surely be able to arrange >> something" might change if the ICANN timeline is clearer by September. The >> third outstanding invite, to someone from the common pool resource >> community, is one I'm very hopeful about getting a positive response. >> Question: What is the status of the participant list going forward: can >> it be changed, do I continue the pursuit? >> >>As we approach >> Vilnius my plan is to reach out to global cities considering >> TLDs, request questions and share these with panelists in preparation. >> >> >>For >> tomorrow's meeting, I'll be participating through the remote channels. I'd >> appreciate any of you who will be in Geneva speaking up for >> the City TLD workshop when appropriate. Beyond the fruitful topic and >> great participants, you might point out we should have good technical >> scores: reasonable geographic and gender balance and both >> moderators at the ready. >> >>If you have a >> question or feel I've missed something, please let me >> know. >> >>Best, >> >>Tom Lowenhaupt >>--------------------------- >> >>Thomas Lowenhaupt, Founder & >> Chair >>Connecting.nyc Inc. >> >>tom at connectingnyc.org >>Jackson Hts., NYC 11372 >>718 >> 639 4222 >>Web Wiki Blog >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at psg.com Thu Jul 1 13:56:14 2010 From: avri at psg.com (Avri Doria) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 19:56:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nail Biting and Remote Participation in the Geneva IGF Open Consultations In-Reply-To: <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <811852.98409.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <0c1c01cb193c$3c6dc4b0$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 2010, at 18:41, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote: > > (I'll not hold anyone in suspense here and will note that the workshop is scheduled for Friday, September 17, 2:30-4:30 at the Lithuanian Exhibition and Conference Center, Room 5. This message is a review of the nail biting experience the Open Consultations turned out to be and to comment on an appropriate interface for such an event in 2010.) > Though the list is rather firm, the schedule is not that firm yet. The secretariat is still working to handle all of the conflicts etc that we have been notified about. So i would recommend not making firm plans related to any specific timing you may have heard for another day or so. It may actually end up there, but the exercise is not completed yet. a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Thu Jul 1 19:50:24 2010 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:50:24 -0700 Subject: [governance] IGF and TLDs In-Reply-To: <727855.21688.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <00cb01cb1631$745ece90$7800a8c0@powuseren2ihcx> <4C27AF9F.8060609@paque.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20100629171109.05db2e78@jefsey.com> <2DF30816-798B-4AC0-80BE-08C8F01D09CA@psg.com> <4C2A9D03.9070103@cavebear.com> <727855.21688.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C2D29C0.9050208@cavebear.com> On 07/01/2010 07:05 AM, Eric Dierker wrote: > So Karl, > > Why are the big money players sticking with this ICANN myopia. I do not > see it as cost effective or advantageous that they should stay in the > ICANN sandbox. Where is the disconnect between policy in direction of > expenditures and the technical possibility/reality? People who are making a business investment want to minimize their risks. It is risky (from a business point of view, not a technical one) to put money behind a TLD in a competing root system. Why is it a risk? Well first off we have to remember that this whole ICANN thing got kick started when Jon Postel did the very sane and prudent thing of trying to test whether the DNS protocol and root server failover behaviour is, in fact, as designed and as advertised. (As in all things like this - whether it be DNS root services or electrical power transfer switches - it is sometimes necessary to test on live systems.) Jon's reward for trying to protect the internet was to receive threats from the US gov't of criminal prosecution. Those event led through a series of steps, but quite direct steps, to the establishment of ICANN. The mentality that wanted to throw Jon Postel in jail for thinking of doing a controlled test whether DNS might collapse in the face of failure is a mentality which is merely napping, it is not gone. So anyone considering going outside the ICANN system has to recognize that there are some minds, sometimes in high places, that might take strong exception to the degree of attempting to impose outlandish sanctions. The second reason why it is a risk is work outside ICANN's root is that ICANN and the IAB have published some documents that seem more inspired to repress heretical thoughts than to illuminate technological constraints. ICANN's is known as "ICP-3 - A Unique, Authoritative Root for the DNS" (http://www.icann.org/en/icp/icp-3.htm ) ICP 3 and the IAB peer to it are essentially the same kind of materials that were used to scare the public away from a perfectly fine alternative as occurred in the Hush-A-Phone case. Back in 1950's when AT&T and the FCC swore up and down on a stack of bibles that a passive plastic hand, the Hush-a-Phone device, on a telephone handset would cause operators to go deaf and electrocute repair men up on telephone poles - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush-A-Phone_v._United_States As viewed through the telescope of time we can see that the claims of AT&T and the FCC, a regulatory body captured at the time by AT&T, were entirely bogus fabrications devoid of technical merit designed to protect AT&T's business interests. One might see parallels between AT&T and the FCC protecting the telephone monopoly and ICANN and incumbent registries protecting today's highly exclusive domain name guild. We have to recognize that technical people are proud of their creations, and in the case of the phone systems and internet that pride is well justified. There is a natural tendency in people to become conservative and protective of their great efforts and become somewhat resentful of new generations who alter their work or use it in ways that seem "different". So there is no wonder that senior technical people expressed hyperbolic concern over the Hush-a-phone or the concept of competing roots. Change always disrupts and discomforts; and while that disruption and discomfort is a concern that should be recognize, it is not in itself a sufficient reason to prevent change. We ought to remember that the the Hush-a-phone case was the first crack in the vast totality of Ma Bell in the US; that crack spread over the years via cases like Carterfone and MCI, eventually leading to the flexibility that made the internet possible. I am a strong believer that the concept of competing roots holds the answer to the Gordian knot of the TLD wars and largely obviates ICANN - see my note "What would the internet be like had there been no ICANN?" at http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000331.html The part of concern here begins with "The Alternative History". --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Fri Jul 2 03:08:19 2010 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:08:19 +0100 Subject: [governance] Finland makes broadband access a legal right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Interesting.... I'm a bit confused, because I thought the UK had done this last year (setting a higher figure of 2MBit). One of the more controversial things is how you pay for it, and our new coalition government has scrapped the "landline tax" which was supposed to providing the relevant subsidy. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Jul 2 04:21:24 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:21:24 +0800 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed Message-ID: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> In the wake of this month's IGF planning meeting, I understand that the situation with our workshops is as earlier forecast: two of our three workshop proposals were accepted, but we have some decisions to make about one of them. The workshop on "Revolutionary Internet governance ideas that can help change the developing world" was accepted, except that we are to add developed countries to the scope of the workshop, and Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". The result would be simply "Internet governance ideas that can help change the world". Fouad was asked to discuss that within this group, actually by 29 June 2010. We are a few days late, already. So we really need to do that now: what do we think about dropping the reference to developing countries, and losing "revolutionary"? Or should another title be used altogether such as "Open space for new ideas on Internet governance" as proposed by Nitin or "Innovative Internet governance ideas and approaches" by Fouad? The other thing about this workshop is that there are no panelists for it; its content is entirely dependent upon participation from the floor. However, as I have discussed with Fouad, I am loathe that we should open the workshop without any idea about who is going to speak. So, I have taken the liberty of starting a wiki page for those who would like to speak to list their names and planned topics of discussion. Please visit the page if you are interested in participating, and also please circulate the URL widely: http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/Open_space_for_Internet_governance_ideas The other workshop which was accepted was "Transnational (or trans-border) enforcement of a new information order – Issues of rights and democracy", and planning for that is well in hand. Thanks to those who spoke up for this workshop during the open consultation. "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was given as to why... a shame. I am going to suggest that we recommend that the Secretariat's conclusions on approval of workshops be publicly posted online, because at present this process is not sufficiently transparent. Moreover the rapid chopping and changing of the schedule during the open consultation session inevitably disadvantages those who are remote, despite the availability of Twitter and email. For one thing, those in the room were working off a document that the remote participants did not (and still don't) have. A prior, more open process of posting and responding to comments on workshops online would be far preferable in my opinion. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Jul 2 05:04:50 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:04:50 +0800 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <07205F72-8D0D-4700-B172-EAC992EE9D95@ciroap.org> On 02/07/2010, at 4:21 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was given as to why... a shame. I spoke too soon... Markus has just advised me that a new list will be sent out later today, and that this workshop will be included in it. This would mean all three of our workshops made the cut! -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 05:25:16 2010 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 05:25:16 -0400 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <07205F72-8D0D-4700-B172-EAC992EE9D95@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <07205F72-8D0D-4700-B172-EAC992EE9D95@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Congratulations to Jeremy, Ginger, the Workshop organisers and the entire IGC for this fantastic achievement! 100% is nothing to sneeze at. BTW, documenting down the revolutionary ideas for discussion in Foaud's panel is as fun as it is thought-provoking. I encourage all IGC members to give it a try and to get at least one down. This is a truly democratic way of planning a workshop ... aligning nicely with the underlying IG & IGF approach. The big task, I would imagine, would be to properly categorize all of the brilliant ideas when they come in to facilitate a cohesive discussion at the IGF. Best, Tracy On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 02/07/2010, at 4:21 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking > forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was given as to > why... a shame. > > > I spoke too soon... Markus has just advised me that a new list will be sent > out later today, and that this workshop will be included in it. This would > mean all three of our workshops made the cut! > > -- > > *Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > *CI is 50* > Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in > 2010. > Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer > rights around the world. > *http://www.consumersinternational.org/50* > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Jul 2 05:36:05 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:36:05 +0800 Subject: [governance] [6 of 6] How best to link with international processes and institutions? Message-ID: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> The final question of the MAG questionnaire, which we have been progressively working through, is: How best to link with international processes and institutions? The discussions that take begin at the IGF mostly end there, too. Although we hear much about the effect that the IGF is having in the wider world, the Secretary-General's report on the IGF's renewal noted "that the IGF had not provided concrete advice to intergovernmental bodies and other entities involved in Internet governance" and "that the contribution of the IGF to public policy-making is difficult to assess and appears to be weak". A workshop held on this issue by IT for Change in Sharm had reached the same conclusion. So how do we improve this state of affairs? We might recommend that just as the IGF and its workshop organisers will be appointing online rapporteurs to bridge between online and offline discussions during meetings, so too there should be rapporteurs whose job it would be to summarise relevant discussions at the IGF and to forward them to external institutions, and to act as a conduit for feedback from those institutions. Ideally these summaries would include both main sessions and workshops, since much of the valuable discussion at the IGF takes place in the latter. Alternatively, they could be limited to the main sessions provided that a better mechanism for feeding the output of workshops back into main sessions was realised. In either case, such summaries transmitted from the IGF need not take the form of recommendations (though in the rare event that a rough consensus had been reached on a particular issue, there is no reason why they couldn't take that form). Do you like these ideas, or do you have others of your own? Let's hear them. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Fri Jul 2 09:23:47 2010 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (jefsey) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:23:47 +0200 Subject: [governance] [6 of 6] How best to link with international In-Reply-To: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> References: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20100702141110.065a8580@jefsey.com> Jeremy, the IGF was designed to assemble dynamic coalitions of control of enhanced cooperations having precise charters in terms of governance actions. Enhanced cooperations stay limited to the ISOCANN for IP address (mis)management and the care(ful limitation) of the namespace on economic/marketing grounds. ISOCANN reports to the UN are .. limited. I observe that due to a generalised lack of command of the Internet technology abilities, the private sector was able to convinced the regalian area and the international community that it should stay in control for stability sake. Now, this governance by the Industry (ISOC and Unicode Members, ICANN sponsors, registries, and registrars) has the possibility to change due to the coming change of architectural nature in the internet and its namespace as examplified by the IDNA2008 documents. The root has already become a matrix, the domain names have switched from being identifiers and became designators on my machines. It happens that this results from the Internet lead users, i.e. the civil society implication into the world digital ecosystem (WDE) adminance. This is the occasion for the civil society to articulate an enhanced cooperation to govern these new issues and opportunities. Once the IAB has clarified its positions on all of this, the ball will be in our field. Keeping looping on the private sector assigned circuit will lead us to nowhere new. It is time to be prepared to quit that business best interest enforced-sensus and get at our own interest in life: the civil society best interest. The best way to prepare this is to consider two major topics from a strict civil society point of view (that is if the civil society intends to keep representing end users): - the enhanced cooperations' nature, advised organisation and initiating process. Because we will to initiate at least one including ICANN or not. - the governance expectations from the technology and of its emergences. The internet of the future has first to be a response to the users' needs. I am surprised that the IETF also has to invent what the users should need. Otherwise, the civil society should consider as a priority to formulate a new process permitting the users to benefit/participate into the IGF debate rather than to probably see a new grassroot internet and societal development outside of the IGF meeting point. jfc At 11:36 02/07/2010, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >The final question of the MAG questionnaire, which we have been >progressively working through, is: > >How best to link with international processes and institutions? > >The discussions that take begin at the IGF mostly end there, >too. Although we hear much about the effect that the IGF is having >in the wider world, the Secretary-General's report on the IGF's >renewal noted "that the IGF had not provided concrete advice to >intergovernmental bodies and other entities involved in Internet >governance" and "that the contribution of the IGF to public >policy-making is difficult to assess and appears to be weak". A >workshop held on this issue by IT for Change in Sharm had reached >the same conclusion. So how do we improve this state of affairs? > >We might recommend that just as the IGF and its workshop organisers >will be appointing online rapporteurs to bridge between online and >offline discussions during meetings, so too there should be >rapporteurs whose job it would be to summarise relevant discussions >at the IGF and to forward them to external institutions, and to act >as a conduit for feedback from those institutions. > >Ideally these summaries would include both main sessions and >workshops, since much of the valuable discussion at the IGF takes >place in the latter. Alternatively, they could be limited to the >main sessions provided that a better mechanism for feeding the >output of workshops back into main sessions was realised. > >In either case, such summaries transmitted from the IGF need not >take the form of recommendations (though in the rare event that a >rough consensus had been reached on a particular issue, there is no >reason why they couldn't take that form). > >Do you like these ideas, or do you have others of your own? Let's hear them. > >-- > >Jeremy Malcolm >Project Coordinator >Consumers International >Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East >Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala >Lumpur, Malaysia >Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >CI is 50 >Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer >movement in 2010. >Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect >consumer rights around the world. >http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 > >Read our >email >confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > >For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 09:27:26 2010 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:27:26 +0500 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: Thank you Jeremy for being supportive of this idea. I appreciate your concern over the workshop that we proposed. Just to share some of my perspectives on this workshop and how I came around this subject. Currently, this workshop stands as an approved feeder workshop in to the main session on IG4D - Internet Governance For Development. Yes that makes it very critical. It is an open space and not a limited space otherwise I would have never proposed it because I am not a proponent of locking down discussion spaces that are critical to development. We should note that the workshop idea is its power for being accepted because none of the workshops in all the schedule provide such an innovation where everyone can participate and that is why there has been hardly any objections against it. There are a few important aspects that I would like to include that this is what many of us from the developing world have wanted to have an open and free discussion on IG and this will be the opportunity to create that open space. I would not be supportive of the suggestion to include panellists since that would limit the creativity and idea sharing aspects of the workshop.This I believe is the opportunity in this workshop. The name revolutionary was dropped because I must agree that it wasn't doing justice to the topic. It now stands as "Innovative Internet Governance Ideas and Approaches - An Open Discussion Space" thus clearly explaining its objective that also creates an innovation opportunity for future IGF workshops. This can develop itself to be an important feeding opportunity without being locked down to the type of stakeholder participation. It is an opportunity for anyone and everyone to share their ideas or briefly what changed their countries both developed and developing. As a matter of rule decided initially, no one gets the mic or floor for more than 5 mins and at 4.5 mins, the speaker will be notified. On the participation side, everyone is encouraged to invite as many people as possible. I am going to undertake significant efforts to get a good diversity of voices to this workshop. I will try to bring in as many youth as possible. I will also be requesting various Latin American, African, South Asian, Asia Pacific, Australian, European and Canadian youth, legislators and civil society people to join us. I will also be talking with Rafik and the Child Net project to get the 12 youth coming from their program to be part of our workshop. I will also try to contact ISOC and include the Next Generation Leader Program Members and the IGF Ambassadors, the grantees of the Commonwealth IGF Secretariat Bursaries and the DiploFoundation EU graduation class to be part of this workshop. I will also request the youth remote participation team and Ginger to help me in this process. This will create the opportunity to atleast have confirmed speaking opportunities during the workshop and record taking. Secondly, I will try to invite a young EU parliamentarian from the Swedish Pirate Party, the 22-year-old Pirate politician: http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/05/start/amelia-andersdotter-the-22-year-old-pirate-politician?page=all that had appeared in the IGF Open Consultations this week and if she has both the time and opportunity to participate, she will be a very important value addition to this workshop. So these are my current thoughts as I arrive back home. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > In the wake of this month's IGF planning meeting, I understand that the > situation with our workshops is as earlier forecast: two of our three > workshop proposals were accepted, but we have some decisions to make about > one of them. > The workshop on "Revolutionary Internet governance ideas that can help > change the developing world" was accepted, except that we are to add > developed countries to the scope of the workshop, and Nitin Desai and Markus > Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary".  The result would be > simply "Internet governance ideas that can help change the world". > Fouad was asked to discuss that within this group, actually by 29 June 2010. >  We are a few days late, already.  So we really need to do that now: what do > we think about dropping the reference to developing countries, and losing > "revolutionary"?  Or should another title be used altogether such as "Open > space for new ideas on Internet governance" as proposed by Nitin or > "Innovative Internet governance ideas and approaches" by Fouad? > The other thing about this workshop is that there are no panelists for it; > its content is entirely dependent upon participation from the floor. >  However, as I have discussed with Fouad, I am loathe that we should open > the workshop without any idea about who is going to speak.  So, I have taken > the liberty of starting a wiki page for those who would like to speak to > list their names and planned topics of discussion.  Please visit the page if > you are interested in participating, and also please circulate the URL > widely: > http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/Open_space_for_Internet_governance_ideas > The other workshop which was accepted was "Transnational (or trans-border) > enforcement of a new information order – Issues of rights and democracy", > and planning for that is well in hand.  Thanks to those who spoke up for > this workshop during the open consultation. > "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking > forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was given as to > why... a shame. > I am going to suggest that we recommend that the Secretariat's conclusions > on approval of workshops be publicly posted online, because at present this > process is not sufficiently transparent.  Moreover the rapid chopping and > changing of the schedule during the open consultation session inevitably > disadvantages those who are remote, despite the availability of Twitter and > email.  For one thing, those in the room were working off a document that > the remote participants did not (and still don't) have.  A prior, more open > process of posting and responding to comments on workshops online would be > far preferable in my opinion. > > -- > > Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > CI is 50 > Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in > 2010. > Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer > rights around the world. > http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > necessary. > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: >     governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 10:09:33 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Strike Revolutionary and Add Developed Message-ID: <213174.6141.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hmmm. What great pause that gives. First I must consider the source. Was it from thoughtful philosophy or was it from bureaucrats? One must be aware that taking out the main concept and adding a group that completely changes the primary Idea is noteworthy. What does it mean to direct a policy to get the "best and most knowledgeable minds in civil society together" in order to "improve and guide the setting of Internet Governance and to advise and recommend best practices" and then to have some non-qualified in the subject matter determine the focus of debate. I believe this is exactly what Jefsey and Karl have been so patiently explaining to us on the list. Clearly we are being told to support the existing regimes and not to stray from the status quo. After all a revolutionary concept is just the changing of the dominion of thought and control. Rather than a "they" or a "committee" can someone reveal just who directed the dropping of the word and the adding of the group??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pbekono at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 10:15:52 2010 From: pbekono at gmail.com (Pascal Bekono) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:15:52 +0100 Subject: [governance] [2 of 6] How best to nominate non governmental In-Reply-To: <4C124082.90204@wzb.eu> References: <995242.26840.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C10DD9A.2020809@wzb.eu> <4C1126D0.9080206@eff.org> <4C124082.90204@wzb.eu> Message-ID: Hello Jeremy, I agree with the option (b) The IGC (that is, we) could choose, based on certain selection criteria to ensure diversity etc, that are currently within the "black box" but would be made public. I agree with Katitza and Jeanette that the CS has little ressources, therefore I think that we should also select those who are really active in their regional networks, so we can also have information which rise from the bottom of the pyramid. Why don't suggest a periodical report from each MAG member ? Best, Pascal 2010/6/11, Jeanette Hofmann : > Hi Katitza, > > I agree with you that civil society organization in the MAG is rather > weak compared to the private sector and technical community representation. > > Partly this has to do with the fact that we are volunteers whereas the > private sector is represented by professionals whose job it is to > advocate private sector positions. However, what also should be > mentioned is that not all of us contribute as much as we should. One > person doesn't even bother to come to the meeting or participate remotely. > > Another reason is that we are much more heterogeneous in our positions > than the private sector and the technical community who most of the time > agree with each other and confirm what other members have said before. > The civil society people on the MAG are probably too diverse to offer > each other such a degree of support. > > At the last MAG meeting I suggested a nomcom approach for the selection > of new MAG members. That way, at least members from the private sector > and civil society could be selected in a coordinated way. This proposal > found some support in the MAG. > > I am not sure the IGC has enough credibility to function as the > principle selection body for civil society candidates for the MAG. > > jeanette > > > > Katitza Rodriguez wrote: >> Hey there, >> >> I would like to make an honest and informal assessment which I have been >> observing as general points in this overall discussion: >> >> 1. I think there is a lack of disparity in "knowledge" and >> "advocacy/lobbying skills" between the business sector/technical >> community and civil society within the MAG. This makes, in my personal >> opinion, civil society representation weak within the MAG (and it looks >> like we have less people that other constituencies). >> >> 2. While I do agree that anyone can represent the overall civil society, >> there are ways where we can organize ourselves. Those civil society >> members who are interested to participate in the meeting and are not IGC >> members can contact the Secretariat, and then the Secretariat can >> forward them to us. If they want to be count in the election, those >> persons can submit their nomination through this umbrella organization. >> Therefore, we can truly assess not only the diversity, gender balance >> but also take into account if we have the right composition in terms of >> knowledge to take care of all this issues. FYI: IGC had previously >> choose IGC reps that are members and non members as long as they are >> civil society so it has had an inclusive views in the way the selected >> their representative. >> >> 3. Be in the MAG can take you lot of hours of works if you want to >> meaningful contribution but also you can do a meaningful contribution as >> a participant if you are able to attend the open consultations. More of >> the work is done there (and then by email following up those discussions >> and within those who were present in the meeting). If you are not aware >> of the dynamics (that usually changes), you can be lost in the process. >> >> If you truly want to take care of the issues (freedom of expression, >> privacy, due process, etc etc etc), then you need to be very active >> because the process is made in the moment and if you get lost.. .then it >> is much difficult to influence the outcome. >> >> Finally, I think the Secretariat have try to make a fair assessment of >> the selection of those representative who were not selected by IGC in >> order to have a broader civil society representation. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/10/10 5:42 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >>> Hi, b does not offer a workable solution because the caucus is not the >>> global representative of civil society in the field of Internet >>> governance. After years and years of this debate it would be really >>> good if we could come to terms with the fact that people choose >>> different avenues for applying for a seat on the MAG. If we want to >>> suggest new ways of selecting members, we need to take into >>> consideration that the IGC is not and will not be the center of the >>> civil society world. >>> >>> jeanette >>> >>> Eric Dierker wrote: >>>> Jeremy, >>>> >>>> I like b. We have seen throughout the last century several classic >>>> attempts to incorporate a "member of the party" electoral process. So >>>> often countries claimed elections were open and honest and in fact >>>> had huge turnouts. But you could only vote for a "party candidate". >>>> Too often US and UK elections reach the same result and there is a >>>> constant revolt against the notion. >>>> >>>> Of course I hope this is consistent with my view that the (that is >>>> we*) play a more influencial role. That open, well supervised, >>>> public forum lists be the genesis for more input. That consensus play >>>> a role but that minority views be given weight so that the majority >>>> conclusions can be more pure and less watered down. >>>> >>>> So I think we should keep nominations open open open for those with a >>>> proven desire for public service (like Ginger and Jeremy). >>>> >>>> >>>> * I appreciate very much using this concept as descriptive of the >>>> IGC. It is what is mostly desired to be achieved and I think */we/* >>>> do a good job of it. >>>> >>>> --- On *Tue, 6/8/10, Jeremy Malcolm //* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Jeremy Malcolm >>>> Subject: [governance] [2 of 6] How best to nominate non governmental >>>> members for the MAG? >>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:26 AM >>>> >>>> Continuing the questions from the MAG questionnaire >>>> (http://intgovforum.org/cms/the-preparatory-process/510), comes the >>>> second question: >>>> >>>> *How best to nominate non governmental members for the MAG?* >>>> >>>> Some options are: >>>> >>>> (a) The existing "black box" approach whereby the United Nations >>>> Secretary General selects from a range of nominees put forward by >>>> various parties - selection criteria are not publicly available. >>>> >>>> (b) The IGC (that is, we) could choose, based on certain selection >>>> criteria to ensure diversity etc, that are currently within the >>>> "black box" but would be made public. >>>> >>>> (c) A new nominating committee, selected from a pool of civil >>>> society volunteers, could put forward candidates based on the >>>> selection criteria - similar to what we do internally in the IGC, >>>> and also used by other IG institutions such as the IETF. >>>> >>>> (d) Another civil society umbrella group could nominate them. This >>>> could be the WSIS Civil Society Plenary (which no longer really >>>> exists, but it may be necessary to re-form it before 2015), or an >>>> entirely new peak body. >>>> >>>> Which of these options do you prefer? Can you think of others? >>>> -- >>>> *Jeremy Malcolm >>>> Project Coordinator* >>>> Consumers International >>>> Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East >>>> Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala >>>> Lumpur, Malaysia >>>> Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 >>>> >>>> *CI is 50* >>>> Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer >>>> movement in 2010. >>>> Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect >>>> consumer rights around the world. >>>> _http://www.consumersinternational.org/50_ >>>> >>>> Read our email confidentiality notice >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't print this email unless necessary. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>>> >>>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>>> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For all list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >>> >>> For all list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 11:14:38 2010 From: d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk (D. R. Newman) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 16:14:38 +0100 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4C2E025E.1020003@qub.ac.uk> Where is there a list of all approved workshops? We (http://huwy.eu/) have been talking to the people who put in for a youth workshop. On 02/07/10 14:27, Fouad Bajwa wrote: > I would not be supportive of the suggestion to include panellists > since that would limit the creativity and idea sharing aspects of the > workshop. I strongly agree. Rather than ask a few people to prepare something for the workshop, invite lots of people to suggest ideas in advance, and have that list available during the workshop. In that way you can get use the considered, developed, evidence as input to creative generation of new ideas. > As a matter of rule decided initially, no one gets the mic or floor > for more than 5 mins and at 4.5 mins, the speaker will be notified. Have you thought about using electronic brainstorming to speed up the event? Instead of waiting for each person to speak in turn, then writing down the idea, then going to the next person, ... - you can have everyone typing in ideas (answers to an open question) at the same time, with all the ideas appearing on the screen in front of them. I routinely get 60 to 80 ideas in 5 minutes when I use this with my students or in the theory-building workshops I have been running at e-participation conferences. Of course, once you have used the technology to collect input from everyone, you then move back into conversations. I only use products like WebIQ (www.webiq.net) at particular points in the discussion to save time in collecting, selecting or rating ideas. The rest of the time I run my sessions as a mediator would, or as David Gurteen runs his knowledge cafes. > On the participation side, everyone is encouraged to invite as many > people as possible. I am going to undertake significant efforts to get > a good diversity of voices to this workshop. I will try to bring in as > many youth as possible. I will also be requesting various Latin > American, African, South Asian, Asia Pacific, Australian, European and > Canadian youth, legislators and civil society people to join us. > > I will also be talking with Rafik and the Child Net project to get the > 12 youth coming from their program to be part of our workshop. In addition to direct participation from Child Net, it is also possible to bring in the collected views and experiences from the HUWY project. Over the summer 80 groups (from 6 to 300) of young people from 4 countries will discuss Internet governance, then write reports for policy-makers. These reports will be collected on http://huwy.eu/ , so IGF participants will be able to read and comment on them. If we could get funds, we would like to take some of the people who wrote reports to Vilnius - if not, maybe Adobe Connect would work. -- Dr. David R. Newman, Queen's University Belfast, School of Management and Economics, BELFAST BT7 1NN, Northern Ireland (UK) Tel. +44 28 9097 3643 mailto:d.r.newman at qub.ac.uk http://www.e-consultation.org/ http://huwy.eu/ ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Fri Jul 2 14:31:07 2010 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:31:07 -0700 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <07205F72-8D0D-4700-B172-EAC992EE9D95@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <07205F72-8D0D-4700-B172-EAC992EE9D95@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4C2E306B.1040809@cavebear.com> On 07/02/2010 02:04 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: >> "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and >> looking forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was >> given as to why... a shame. We've had a success? Regarding the panel on "revolutionary" ideas, I am still intrigued that my "First Law of the Internet" is still considered by many to be either revolutionary or hyperbolic: First Law of the Internet http://www.cavebear.com/cbblog-archives/000059.html + Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way that is privately beneficial without being publicly detrimental. - The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall be on those who wish to prevent the private use. - Such a demonstration shall require clear and convincing evidence of public detriment. - The public detriment must be of such degree and extent as to justify the suppression of the private activity. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Fri Jul 2 14:51:50 2010 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:51:50 +0200 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: On 2 Jul 2010, at 10:21, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > I am going to suggest that we recommend that the Secretariat's conclusions on approval of workshops be publicly posted online, because at present this process is not sufficiently transparent. Moreover the rapid chopping and changing of the schedule during the open consultation session inevitably disadvantages those who are remote, despite the availability of Twitter and email. For one thing, those in the room were working off a document that the remote participants did not (and still don't) have. A prior, more open process of posting and responding to comments on workshops online would be far preferable in my opinion. > The last part is not quite true. the working document was sent to all those participating on the remote links. Since it was a working document the idea was to restrict to those working, but everyone who was participating (local or remote) should have received a copy. I would argue that nothing was chopped in a non-transparent way because nothing was chopped. in fact for the most part everything started out as not accepted and then throughout the process various things were accepted for reasons like, - it was a feeder, it combined with a few others, it was complete and had multistakeholder and multi-region organization and panelists. Preference was given to workshops with the participants already lined up. Nothing was black listed or black balled, everything scheduled was accepted for some reason (sometimes because someone local or remote argued for it) - nothing was rejected, just some things were not accepted because they did not have enough of the positive attributes mentioned above. a. ps. yes, i am currently working for the IGF secretariat. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Fri Jul 2 14:53:43 2010 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:53:43 -0400 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <...smacking his lips..> Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at psg.com Fri Jul 2 15:50:00 2010 From: avri at psg.com (Avri Doria) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:50:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: hi, you will find something similar in the quotes of transcript, but you find that they were not alone. so maybe you want to read the story and see if you agree with the things people said before writing the satire. a. On 2 Jul 2010, at 20:53, Milton L Mueller wrote: > You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> > > Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Jul 2 20:34:30 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:34:30 +0800 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <4A08182D-7D38-4851-9065-50C7C5214938@ciroap.org> On 03/07/2010, at 2:51 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > The last part is not quite true. the working document was sent to all those participating on the remote links. Since it was a working document the idea was to restrict to those working, but everyone who was participating (local or remote) should have received a copy. I was watching (periodically) on the lscube feed, and I didn't get a copy. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 20:36:46 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <123234.62382.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> How about - in your own words telling us anything you think is a justification not worthy of contempt. Please, I have trouble understanding people who think in such a manner. ________________________________ From: Avri Doria To: IGC Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 12:50:00 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed hi, you will find something similar in the quotes of transcript, but you find that they were not alone. so maybe you want to read the story and see if you agree with the things people said before writing the satire. a. On 2 Jul 2010, at 20:53, Milton L Mueller wrote: > You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> > > Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Fri Jul 2 20:39:14 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:39:14 +0800 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> On 03/07/2010, at 2:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> > > Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". >>MARKUS KUMMER: Or should we delete the title "revolution"? >>NITIN DESAI: Can we at least drop the word "revolution"? Can we just say Internet governance ideas that can help change the world? That's ambitious enough. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: So, say, "Ah, look at these guys, who really think that the IGF is about to ‑‑ >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>NITIN DESAI: No, no. The point is that just think of a ‑‑ I think the idea that you have ‑‑ is a different type of workshop, which is not with a lot of prepared papers, speeches, panelists, but a space for people to ‑‑ where you could have a room saying that you are allowed to mention anything which has been mentioned in the main session. So the only people ‑‑ the only thing that you can come up with is something which is not on the table in the main session. But think of a title which does not lend itself to some satirical references in the media, okay? I wonder what he said when he was off microphone. Maybe "...change the world?" Now, there's a thought. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 21:20:07 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Public Relations decision making - Or cart before horse In-Reply-To: <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <753057.97351.qm@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I reckon I oughta keep my big yap trapped --- This Nitin Desai is UN undersecretary material and he really wants civil society involvement. I got this quote from his Freshwater Keynote address back in 2001 -- * """Political will: A political will which is expressed not only when we meet there, but which will sustain beyond that meeting. And that is where particularly the involvement of the stakeholders and civil society is so important, because it is a crucial instrument in maintaining this commitment beyond this conference.""" Of course it could be pointed out --- well never mind ________________________________ From: Jeremy Malcolm To: Milton L Mueller ; governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 5:39:14 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed On 03/07/2010, at 2:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> > >Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". >>MARKUS KUMMER: Or should we delete the title "revolution"? >>NITIN DESAI: Can we at least drop the word "revolution"? Can we just say Internet governance ideas that can help change the world? That's ambitious enough. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: So, say, "Ah, look at these guys, who really think that the IGF is about to ‑‑ >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>NITIN DESAI: No, no. The point is that just think of a ‑‑ I think the idea that you have ‑‑ is a different type of workshop, which is not with a lot of prepared papers, speeches, panelists, but a space for people to ‑‑ where you could have a room saying that you are allowed to mention anything which has been mentioned in the main session. So the only people ‑‑ the only thing that you can come up with is something which is not on the table in the main session. But think of a title which does not lend itself to some satirical references in the media, okay? I wonder what he said when he was off microphone. Maybe "...change the world?" Now, there's a thought. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch Sat Jul 3 02:32:21 2010 From: william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch (William Drake) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:32:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <4A08182D-7D38-4851-9065-50C7C5214938@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <4A08182D-7D38-4851-9065-50C7C5214938@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <2A570494-7D2B-4F73-A497-D3D6412A8996@graduateinstitute.ch> On Jul 3, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > On 03/07/2010, at 2:51 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > >> The last part is not quite true. the working document was sent to all those participating on the remote links. Since it was a working document the idea was to restrict to those working, but everyone who was participating (local or remote) should have received a copy. > > I was watching (periodically) on the lscube feed, and I didn't get a copy. The URL to the document was displayed on the remote participation site. Bill____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 08:10:38 2010 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:10:38 +0100 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> Message-ID: I share the idea of Fouad regards the participation of different interested parties to participate in the discussion at this workshop. I am a candidate among those who wish to participate in this exchange. SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN COORDONNATEUR DU CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL (CAFEC) COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL REPRONTIC MEMBRE FACILITATEUR GAID AFRIQUE GNSO and NCUC MEMBER (ICANN) Téléphone mobile: +243998983491/+243999334571 +243811980914 email: b.schombe at gmail.com blog: http://akimambo.unblog.fr siège temporaire : Boulevard du 30 juin Immeuble Royal, Entrée A,7e niveau. 2010/7/2 Fouad Bajwa > Thank you Jeremy for being supportive of this idea. I appreciate your > concern over the workshop that we proposed. > > Just to share some of my perspectives on this workshop and how I came > around this subject. Currently, this workshop stands as an approved > feeder workshop in to the main session on IG4D - Internet Governance > For Development. Yes that makes it very critical. It is an open space > and not a limited space otherwise I would have never proposed it > because I am not a proponent of locking down discussion spaces that > are critical to development. > > We should note that the workshop idea is its power for being accepted > because none of the workshops in all the schedule provide such an > innovation where everyone can participate and that is why there has > been hardly any objections against it. There are a few important > aspects that I would like to include that this is what many of us from > the developing world have wanted to have an open and free discussion > on IG and this will be the opportunity to create that open space. > > I would not be supportive of the suggestion to include panellists > since that would limit the creativity and idea sharing aspects of the > workshop.This I believe is the opportunity in this workshop. The name > revolutionary was dropped because I must agree that it wasn't doing > justice to the topic. It now stands as "Innovative Internet Governance > Ideas and Approaches - An Open Discussion Space" thus clearly > explaining its objective that also creates an innovation opportunity > for future IGF workshops. > > This can develop itself to be an important feeding opportunity without > being locked down to the type of stakeholder participation. It is an > opportunity for anyone and everyone to share their ideas or briefly > what changed their countries both developed and developing. > > As a matter of rule decided initially, no one gets the mic or floor > for more than 5 mins and at 4.5 mins, the speaker will be notified. > > On the participation side, everyone is encouraged to invite as many > people as possible. I am going to undertake significant efforts to get > a good diversity of voices to this workshop. I will try to bring in as > many youth as possible. I will also be requesting various Latin > American, African, South Asian, Asia Pacific, Australian, European and > Canadian youth, legislators and civil society people to join us. > > I will also be talking with Rafik and the Child Net project to get the > 12 youth coming from their program to be part of our workshop. I will > also try to contact ISOC and include the Next Generation Leader > Program Members and the IGF Ambassadors, the grantees of the > Commonwealth IGF Secretariat Bursaries and the DiploFoundation EU > graduation class to be part of this workshop. I will also request the > youth remote participation team and Ginger to help me in this process. > This will create the opportunity to atleast have confirmed speaking > opportunities during the workshop and record taking. > > Secondly, I will try to invite a young EU parliamentarian from the > Swedish Pirate Party, the 22-year-old Pirate politician: > > http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/05/start/amelia-andersdotter-the-22-year-old-pirate-politician?page=all > that had appeared in the IGF Open Consultations this week and if she > has both the time and opportunity to participate, she will be a very > important value addition to this workshop. > > So these are my current thoughts as I arrive back home. > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: > > In the wake of this month's IGF planning meeting, I understand that the > > situation with our workshops is as earlier forecast: two of our three > > workshop proposals were accepted, but we have some decisions to make > about > > one of them. > > The workshop on "Revolutionary Internet governance ideas that can help > > change the developing world" was accepted, except that we are to add > > developed countries to the scope of the workshop, and Nitin Desai and > Markus > > Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". The result would > be > > simply "Internet governance ideas that can help change the world". > > Fouad was asked to discuss that within this group, actually by 29 June > 2010. > > We are a few days late, already. So we really need to do that now: what > do > > we think about dropping the reference to developing countries, and losing > > "revolutionary"? Or should another title be used altogether such as > "Open > > space for new ideas on Internet governance" as proposed by Nitin or > > "Innovative Internet governance ideas and approaches" by Fouad? > > The other thing about this workshop is that there are no panelists for > it; > > its content is entirely dependent upon participation from the floor. > > However, as I have discussed with Fouad, I am loathe that we should open > > the workshop without any idea about who is going to speak. So, I have > taken > > the liberty of starting a wiki page for those who would like to speak to > > list their names and planned topics of discussion. Please visit the page > if > > you are interested in participating, and also please circulate the URL > > widely: > > http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/Open_space_for_Internet_governance_ideas > > The other workshop which was accepted was "Transnational (or > trans-border) > > enforcement of a new information order – Issues of rights and democracy", > > and planning for that is well in hand. Thanks to those who spoke up for > > this workshop during the open consultation. > > "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking > > forward to WSIS 2015" was not accepted, and no feedback was given as to > > why... a shame. > > I am going to suggest that we recommend that the Secretariat's > conclusions > > on approval of workshops be publicly posted online, because at present > this > > process is not sufficiently transparent. Moreover the rapid chopping and > > changing of the schedule during the open consultation session inevitably > > disadvantages those who are remote, despite the availability of Twitter > and > > email. For one thing, those in the room were working off a document that > > the remote participants did not (and still don't) have. A prior, more > open > > process of posting and responding to comments on workshops online would > be > > far preferable in my opinion. > > > > -- > > > > Jeremy Malcolm > > Project Coordinator > > Consumers International > > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East > > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > > Malaysia > > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > > > > CI is 50 > > Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in > > 2010. > > Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer > > rights around the world. > > http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 > > > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless > > necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > Regards. > -------------------------- > Fouad Bajwa > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 09:25:01 2010 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:25:01 +0100 Subject: [governance] [6 of 6] How best to link with international In-Reply-To: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> References: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: agree, Jeremy, but this requires a good representation of rapporteurs. But in what languages the reports should they be made? Apologize for this question. It will also consider what institutions must submit these reports as it may have a positive impact and overall level of different communities. Furthermore, the Secretary General's report is explicit, of course, but my question is often on the involvement and participation of agencies of the United Nations system in the public policy of ICT in some African countries! I am aware that some countries in Africa, did not include digital technology in their program. And it has consequence, the absence of reports of ICT development in these countries. There develops a digital jungle can have serious consequences in the country and negative impact in other countries. IGF report can be used with some advocacy by regional or international organisations in their policy of supporting the development of countries that have not or have difficulties in preparing the public plotique of ICT to ensure the governance Internet from the bottom of the pyramid. SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN COORDONNATEUR DU CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL (CAFEC) COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL REPRONTIC MEMBRE FACILITATEUR GAID AFRIQUE GNSO and NCUC MEMBER (ICANN) Téléphone mobile: +243998983491/+243999334571 +243811980914 email: b.schombe at gmail.com blog: http://akimambo.unblog.fr siège temporaire : Boulevard du 30 juin Immeuble Royal, Entrée A,7e niveau. 2010/7/2 Jeremy Malcolm > The final question of the MAG questionnaire, which we have been > progressively working through, is: > > *How best to link with international processes and institutions?* > > The discussions that take begin at the IGF mostly end there, too. Although > we hear much about the effect that the IGF is having in the wider world, the > Secretary-General's report on the IGF's renewal noted "that the IGF had not > provided concrete advice to intergovernmental bodies and other entities > involved in Internet governance" and "that the contribution of the IGF to > public policy-making is difficult to assess and appears to be weak". A > workshop held on this issue by IT for Change in Sharm had reached the same > conclusion. So how do we improve this state of affairs? > > We might recommend that just as the IGF and its workshop organisers will be > appointing online rapporteurs to bridge between online and offline > discussions during meetings, so too there should be rapporteurs whose job it > would be to summarise relevant discussions at the IGF and to forward them to > external institutions, and to act as a conduit for feedback from those > institutions. > > Ideally these summaries would include both main sessions and workshops, > since much of the valuable discussion at the IGF takes place in the latter. > Alternatively, they could be limited to the main sessions provided that a > better mechanism for feeding the output of workshops back into main sessions > was realised. > > In either case, such summaries transmitted from the IGF need not take the > form of recommendations (though in the rare event that a rough consensus had > been reached on a particular issue, there is no reason why they couldn't > take that form). > > Do you like these ideas, or do you have others of your own? Let's hear > them. > > -- > > *Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator* > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 > *CI is 50* > Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in > 2010. > Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer > rights around the world. > *http://www.consumersinternational.org/50* > > Read our email confidentiality notice. > Don't print this email unless necessary. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mueller at syr.edu Sat Jul 3 11:12:07 2010 From: mueller at syr.edu (Milton L Mueller) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 11:12:07 -0400 Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C7E16B56@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Too funny. If Nitin is afraid of “satirical references in the media” I am afraid he did a better job setting himself up for them --MM From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:39 PM To: Milton L Mueller; governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed On 03/07/2010, at 2:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". >>MARKUS KUMMER: Or should we delete the title "revolution"? >>NITIN DESAI: Can we at least drop the word "revolution"? Can we just say Internet governance ideas that can help change the world? That's ambitious enough. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: So, say, "Ah, look at these guys, who really think that the IGF is about to ‑‑ >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>NITIN DESAI: No, no. The point is that just think of a ‑‑ I think the idea that you have ‑‑ is a different type of workshop, which is not with a lot of prepared papers, speeches, panelists, but a space for people to ‑‑ where you could have a room saying that you are allowed to mention anything which has been mentioned in the main session. So the only people ‑‑ the only thing that you can come up with is something which is not on the table in the main session. But think of a title which does not lend itself to some satirical references in the media, okay? I wonder what he said when he was off microphone. Maybe "...change the world?" Now, there's a thought. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at psg.com Sat Jul 3 13:46:11 2010 From: avri at psg.com (Avri Doria) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 13:46:11 -0400 Subject: [governance] [6 of 6] How best to link with international In-Reply-To: References: <5E1F8C4D-78D9-48EC-9846-BB9AC808963A@ciroap.org> Message-ID: <490F2024-B8F1-443A-A671-B1D69B57A219@psg.com> On 3 Jul 2010, at 09:25, Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote: > But in what languages the reports should they be made? Apologize for this question. as the rapporteurs would be reporting in the main session room there will be interpretation into the UN languages. so in any of those languages should be ok. a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 4 11:38:02 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] Workshops update, 1-6 +7 In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C7E16B56@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C7E16B56@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <739158.62998.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> After watching our Chinese censorship issue at one meeting and this Public Relations lead at this last meeting I think that we should either get on the bus or off. I would like us to have a seat not only on the bus but also at the table. Public Relations is most about damage control but the thought is correct in Marketing. In developing nations without much marketing hardwired, I liked the term Marketing is education and education is Marketing. I suggest we build into our system a marketing step or process. So that we may proactively educate the UN structure and others about what we mean and then take it another step and get into catch phrases and campaigns. It probably sounds dreadful to most here. Good. But Natin makes it clear, we can either butt up against such notions or play to win hearts and influence enemies. As an old nursemaid of mine used to say; Boy,, If you care enough to go to the dance, ya' ought care enough to gussie up a bit. eric ________________________________ From: Milton L Mueller To: Jeremy Malcolm ; "governance at lists.cpsr.org" Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 8:12:07 AM Subject: RE: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed Too funny. If Nitin is afraid of “satirical references in the media” I am afraid he did a better job setting himself up for them --MM From:Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:39 PM To: Milton L Mueller; governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed On 03/07/2010, at 2:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..> Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary". >>MARKUS KUMMER: Or should we delete the title "revolution"? >>NITIN DESAI: Can we at least drop the word "revolution"? Can we just say Internet governance ideas that can help change the world? That's ambitious enough. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] >>NITIN DESAI: So, say, "Ah, look at these guys, who really think that the IGF is about to ‑‑ >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>NITIN DESAI: No, no. The point is that just think of a ‑‑ I think the idea that you have ‑‑ is a different type of workshop, which is not with a lot of prepared papers, speeches, panelists, but a space for people to ‑‑ where you could have a room saying that you are allowed to mention anything which has been mentioned in the main session. So the only people ‑‑ the only thing that you can come up with is something which is not on the table in the main session. But think of a title which does not lend itself to some satirical references in the media, okay? I wonder what he said when he was off microphone. Maybe "...change the world?" Now, there's a thought. -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 4 12:15:01 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track In-Reply-To: References: <$6tuV$kKhnAMFAvP@perry.co.uk> <96587A11-760F-4D95-A061-2EB1A0D105E1@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530172340.05bb44c8@jefsey.com> <14E786AF-D5E7-41A1-8D1F-A76DDAEC1A6A@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530230827.05bb48a0@jefsey.com> Message-ID: <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I only know from my experience with ICANN but I have a suggestion that is generally not spoken but is as clear as a bell. The process that is open and transparent at ICANN almost always leaves an observer or participant scratching their head at the outcome. It is most closely understood as a Highschool social click. Science and logic and process cannot really offer any sense to it. It is more like "who" and "what" and "where" is "in". The mere and startling fact that you conclude by saying in essence "what the hell is the next step?". Really exemplifies my point. And sadly the answer is just as plain as the huge schnouze on my face. Your next step is to get popular. Get yourself invited to parties, panels and write some stuff on some lists praising some inglorious staffer. Staff recommends only that which the staff feels is popular and boards-counsels WGs and TFs only support that which is popular. Taboos: 1. Any heated debate. 2. Any reference to misconduct. 3. Demanding anything at all. 4. Cohorting with folks deemed unwashed and not in the click. Don't get me wrong the party line Avri put forth here is a technical issue regarding confusion -- so they say these words but -- as you can see that is not at all the issue -- the technical issues are either disregarded or manufactured to meet the above criteria. ________________________________ From: "krum.jonev at dir.bg" To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; jefsey Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:16:05 AM Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track Hi all, On an interview today, the IT minister announced that Bulgaria will send a reconsideration request for the .бг string. Original source : http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=551142 (in Bulgarian) - Who will be the domain of Bulgaria in Cyrillic alphabet, after it emerged that looked like BR (Brazil) and will not happen? Minister: Yes, we received a refusal for the BG domain. I personally believe that this domain is the best for Bulgaria and the same is considered perhaps by the majority of IT industry. Therefore, we will make a new request. Will ask for reconsideration. And do not give up. Minister: No, do not give up the registration of the domain. I think he has the greatest effect. Other abbreviations in Cyrillic in my opinion will not be so ... BU, BYA, BGR ... Minister: No, these are not so typical for Bulgaria and will not be so popular. Even the whole "Bulgaria". Minister: I think that will not be as popular as both letters БГ (BG) How this will happen - the change of this refusal? Minister: Well, to change that refusal is a new procedure in an international organization that approves the registration of those domains. We got the first refusal, but that does not mean that with the second procedure we will also get a refusal - its possible to obtain approval. But what really count, because the simple logic is that true when you see BR in Brazil, right, it looks like BG of the Bulgarians. And because the Brazilians are the first - they give up? Minister: No, they will not quit, of course, we still rely on a deeper examination of the problem and hopefully to be approved this abbreviation because it is most typical for Bulgaria and I think it will benefit the most , it introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. - However, I don`t have an idea what is this "second"procedure - maybe the extended review? Cheers, Krum ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Sun Jul 4 12:22:11 2010 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:22:11 -0300 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> Message-ID: <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> Dear people, When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 4 13:18:20 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <623032.98225.qm@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Truly Alfonso, This lesson is one good to be reiterated for the Internet. Security comes from within the user. Dangers abound everywhere, for old most likely in their bathroom, for young most likely in an auto or cyclo. Regions or cyber regions like XXX will always be present. Some regions will have political agendas attached to the security and just as well the danger. Terror is not to destroy a thing or even a life. It is to effect the living. I am not saying it is truth but perhaps when we were warned we simply paid better attention, then because it was shiny and new and "civilized" we let down our guard. Perhaps we were directly effected by the "state" warnings. Perhaps our own prejudices made us comfortable. In our physical, spiritual and cyber lives there is danger. The danger is not only to our purse or bolsa but to our freedom. Trudging is to walk with purpose. The purpose for our walk in freedom is as fragile as our purse. Fear is the greatest inhibitor of freedom. Bad shit happens but we must trudge with eternal vigilance to protect our freedoms. Sometimes just suiting up and showing up is all that is needed or can be asked, and it is powerful indeed. It is inside you that the Freedom to attend these meetings resides. It is your vigilance that protects you while traveling. Do not rely upon Governance to maintain either. ________________________________ From: Carlos A. Afonso To: WSIS Internet Governance Caucus Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 9:22:11 AM Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... Dear people, When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeremy at ciroap.org Mon Jul 5 02:45:23 2010 From: jeremy at ciroap.org (Jeremy Malcolm) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:45:23 +0800 Subject: [governance] Seeking volunteer remote moderators for IGC workshops Message-ID: <00BF8C09-364F-4F51-8710-BAE7B9CE88A5@ciroap.org> Hello all, Please let me know if you would like to volunteer to be the remote moderator for any of the following IGC-sponsored workshops. The job description of remote moderators is at http://mini.me.my/1. "Innovative Internet Governance Ideas and Approaches - An Open Discussion Space" (the workshop formerly known as "Revolutionary Internet Governance Ideas that can help change the Developing World") - http://mini.me.my/2 "Transnational (or trans-border) enforcement of a new information order – Issues of rights and democracy" - http://mini.me.my/3 "Successes and failures of Internet governance, 1995 - 2010, and looking forward to WSIS 2015" - http://mini.me.my/4 Thanks! -- Jeremy Malcolm Project Coordinator Consumers International Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world. http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon Jul 5 06:01:16 2010 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:01:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> Dear c.a. Yes.. good question. Let's hope that we don't have the same paranoia emerge again when the IGF is being hosted in Kenya. Anriette On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > Dear people, > > When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an > avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US > government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. > > The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice > country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above > all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. > > Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central > train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend > Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen > in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the > robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". > > Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" > warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? > > --c.a. > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ anriette esterhuysen - executive director association for progressive communications p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 anriette at apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 http://www.apc.org APC 1990-2010 www.apc.org Thank you for helping make APC what it is today! ¡Gracias por hacer de APC lo que es hoy! Merci d'avoir contribué à faire d'APC ce qu'elle est aujourd'hui! ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From azrak_khan at hotmail.com Mon Jul 5 07:24:32 2010 From: azrak_khan at hotmail.com (Arzak Khan) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:24:32 +0000 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org>,,,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu>,<9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG>,<4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca>,<75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu>,<4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com>,,<4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca>,<1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> Message-ID: Dear C.A, Like always sheer double standards. Cheers! Arzak > From: anriette at apc.org > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:01:16 +0200 > Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... > > Dear c.a. > > Yes.. good question. Let's hope that we don't have the same paranoia > emerge again when the IGF is being hosted in Kenya. > > Anriette > > > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear people, > > > > When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an > > avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US > > government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. > > > > The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice > > country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above > > all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. > > > > Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central > > train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend > > Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen > > in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the > > robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". > > > > Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" > > warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? > > > > --c.a. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > anriette esterhuysen - executive director > association for progressive communications > p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 > anriette at apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 > http://www.apc.org > > APC 1990-2010 www.apc.org > Thank you for helping make APC what it is today! > ¡Gracias por hacer de APC lo que es hoy! > Merci d'avoir contribué à faire d'APC ce qu'elle est aujourd'hui! > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Mon Jul 5 10:04:00 2010 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:04:00 -0300 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> Message-ID: Another note on the treatment of participants in Brussels: buses took us from two hotels and the convention center to the "gala dinner". On return nearly midnight the bus drivers stopped in a place near the convention center, far from the hotels... And this was it. Walk, take a taxi said the drivers. Fine, fine hosting indeed... --c.a. enviado via iPhone On 05/07/2010, at 08:24, Arzak Khan wrote: > Dear C.A, > > Like always sheer double standards. > > Cheers! > > Arzak > > > > > > From: anriette at apc.org > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:01:16 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... > > > > Dear c.a. > > > > Yes.. good question. Let's hope that we don't have the same paranoia > > emerge again when the IGF is being hosted in Kenya. > > > > Anriette > > > > > > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > > Dear people, > > > > > > When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an > > > avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US > > > government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. > > > > > > The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice > > > country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above > > > all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. > > > > > > Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central > > > train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend > > > Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen > > > in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the > > > robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". > > > > > > Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" > > > warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? > > > > > > --c.a. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > anriette esterhuysen - executive director > > association for progressive communications > > p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 > > anriette at apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 > > http://www.apc.org > > > > APC 1990-2010 www.apc.org > > Thank you for helping make APC what it is today! > > ¡Gracias por hacer de APC lo que es hoy! > > Merci d'avoir contribué à faire d'APC ce qu'elle est aujourd'hui! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jefsey at jefsey.com Mon Jul 5 10:10:42 2010 From: jefsey at jefsey.com (jefsey) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:10:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] appeal published by the IAB Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20100705155231.05e49b00@jefsey.com> http://iab.org/appeals/2010-06-06-morfin-idna-iab-appeal.pdf The text of my appeal over how to publish IDNA2008 and to follow on its architectural implications was put on line by the IAB. --- Le texte de mon appel sur la manière de publier IDNA2008 et de suivre sur ses implications architecturales a été mis en ligne par l'IAB jfc ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Tue Jul 6 04:58:09 2010 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:58:09 +0100 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> Message-ID: In message , at 11:04:00 on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Carlos A. Afonso writes >Another note on the treatment of participants in Brussels: buses took >us from two hotels and the convention center to the "gala dinner". On >return nearly midnight the bus drivers stopped in a place near the >convention center, far from the hotels... And this was it. Walk, take a >taxi said the drivers Were you in Paris - there we had to get the subway to and from the Gala dinner. And with the Brussels convention centre literally across the street from the Central Station, it's hardly in the middle of nowhere. The disappointment, if any, was they way they collected (at registration and dinner ticket issue) a list of hotels, then pretty much ignored the results. If it had been clear from the start that shuttles were to/from the venue only, people's expectations would have been set. One of my abiding memories of the IGF at Sharm was wandering around after the sessions and socials exclaiming "Golf" "Golf", while looking for the long suffering shuttle bus back to the Martim Jolie Ville Golf Resort. For those who weren't there, about half the hotels seemed to be called "Martim Jolie Ville " and you soon got used to cutting out the redundant words. -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at orange.fr Tue Jul 6 05:06:36 2010 From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed In-Reply-To: <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C7E16B56@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> References: <7F9FBA06-7EE8-4F7B-A69C-27DAAC8340A1@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C801E570@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <925B6A04-51FD-425D-A29E-128E2BA67B67@ciroap.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705C7E16B56@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> Message-ID: <22669223.32762.1278407195986.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d16>   Dear members of the list Milton Wrote : Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary".      >>MARKUS KUMMER:  Or should we delete the title "revolution"? (...) > >>NITIN DESAI:  I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] Curiously, in their official statements, both these two high rank international represantatives don't hesitate for qualifying Internet and its so-called universal benefits as "revolutionary". Without any worry about risks or laughters ... Jean-Louis Fullsack CSDPTT   > Message du 03/07/10 17:13 > De : "Milton L Mueller" > A : "Jeremy Malcolm" , "governance at lists.cpsr.org" > Copie à : > Objet : RE: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed > > Too funny. If Nitin is afraid of “satirical references in the media” I am afraid he did a better job setting himself up for them --MM   From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:39 PM > To: Milton L Mueller; governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: Re: [governance] Workshops update, and decisions needed   On 03/07/2010, at 2:53 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > You are kidding, right? Is this public information? Can I satirize this publicly? <…smacking his lips..>   Nitin Desai and Markus Kummer also asked us to drop the word "revolutionary".      >>MARKUS KUMMER:  Or should we delete the title "revolution"? >   > >>NITIN DESAI:  Can we at least drop the word "revolution"?  Can we just say Internet governance ideas that can help change the world?  That's ambitious enough. [Laughter] > > >>NITIN DESAI:  I have a feeling this ‑‑ this thing needs some ‑‑ because people who read this and say ‑‑ could pretty easily ‑‑ some journalist picking this up could easily make fun of us, you know. [Laughter] > > >>NITIN DESAI: So, say, "Ah, look at these guys, who really think that the IGF is about to ‑‑ > > >> (Speaker is off microphone). > > >>NITIN DESAI:  No, no.  The point is that just think of a ‑‑ I think the idea that you have ‑‑ is a different type of workshop, which is not with a lot of prepared papers, speeches, panelists, but a space for people to ‑‑ where you could have a room saying that you are allowed to mention anything which has been mentioned in the main session. So the only people ‑‑ the only thing that you can come up with is something which is not on the table in the main session. But think of a title which does not lend itself to some satirical references in the media, okay? > > I wonder what he said when he was off microphone.  Maybe "...change the world?"  Now, there's a thought. --  Jeremy Malcolm > Project Coordinator > Consumers International > Kuala Lumpur Office for Asia Pacific and the Middle East > Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > Tel: +60 3 7726 1599 CI is 50 Consumers International marks 50 years of the global consumer movement in 2010. Celebrate with us as we continue to support, promote and protect consumer rights around the world.  > http://www.consumersinternational.org/50 > > Read our email confidentiality notice. Don't print this email unless necessary.   > > [ message-footer.txt (0.4 Ko) ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From daniel at digsys.bg Tue Jul 6 07:18:42 2010 From: daniel at digsys.bg (Daniel Kalchev) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:18:42 +0300 Subject: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track In-Reply-To: <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <$6tuV$kKhnAMFAvP@perry.co.uk> <96587A11-760F-4D95-A061-2EB1A0D105E1@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530172340.05bb44c8@jefsey.com> <14E786AF-D5E7-41A1-8D1F-A76DDAEC1A6A@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530230827.05bb48a0@jefsey.com> <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C331112.8010300@digsys.bg> Eric, Grad to see there are still people who both see the issues at hand and are prepared to openly discuss it. Daniel On 04.07.10 19:15, Eric Dierker wrote: > I only know from my experience with ICANN but I have a suggestion that > is generally not spoken but is as clear as a bell. The process that > is open and transparent at ICANN almost always leaves an observer or > participant scratching their head at the outcome. It is most closely > understood as a Highschool social click. Science and logic and > process cannot really offer any sense to it. It is more like "who" > and "what" and "where" is "/in"/. > > The mere and startling fact that you conclude by saying in essence > "what the hell *is* the next step?". Really exemplifies my point. And > sadly the answer is just as plain as the huge schnouze on my face. > Your next step is to */get popular/. Get yourself invited to parties, > panels and write some stuff on some lists praising some inglorious > staffer. Staff recommends only that which the staff feels is popular > and boards-counsels WGs and TFs only support that which is popular. * > * > * > *Taboos: 1. Any heated debate. 2. Any reference to misconduct. 3. > Demanding anything at all. 4. Cohorting with folks deemed unwashed > and not in the click.* > * > * > *Don't get me wrong the party line Avri put forth here is a technical > issue regarding confusion -- so they say these words but -- as you can > see that is not at all the issue -- the technical issues are either > disregarded or manufactured to meet the above criteria.* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "krum.jonev at dir.bg" > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; jefsey > *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 10:16:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track > > Hi all, > > On an interview today, the IT minister announced that Bulgaria will > send a reconsideration request for the .бг string. > > Original source : > http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=551142 (in Bulgarian) > > - > Who will be the domain of Bulgaria in Cyrillic alphabet, after it > emerged that looked like BR (Brazil) and will not happen? > > Minister: Yes, we received a refusal for the BG domain. I personally > believe that this domain is the best for Bulgaria and the same is > considered perhaps by the majority of IT industry. Therefore, we will > make a new request. Will ask for reconsideration. > > And do not give up. > > Minister: No, do not give up the registration of the domain. I think > he has the greatest effect. Other abbreviations in Cyrillic in my > opinion will not be so ... > > BU, BYA, BGR ... > > Minister: No, these are not so typical for Bulgaria and will not be so > popular. > > Even the whole "Bulgaria". > > Minister: I think that will not be as popular as both letters БГ (BG) > > How this will happen - the change of this refusal? > > Minister: Well, to change that refusal is a new procedure in an > international organization that approves the registration of those > domains. We got the first refusal, but that does not mean that with > the second procedure we will also get a refusal - its possible to > obtain approval. > > But what really count, because the simple logic is that true when you > see BR in Brazil, right, it looks like BG of the Bulgarians. And > because the Brazilians are the first - they give up? > > Minister: No, they will not quit, of course, we still rely on a deeper > examination of the problem and hopefully to be approved this > abbreviation because it is most typical for Bulgaria and I think it > will benefit the most , it introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. > > - > > However, I don`t have an idea what is this "second"procedure - maybe > the extended review? > > Cheers, > > Krum > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Jul 6 09:16:04 2010 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos A. Afonso) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:16:04 -0300 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> Message-ID: <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> My notes aimed at just stressing the fact that certain organizations and agencies from developed countries made a big fuss of the risks in Kenya, scaring the hell out of would-be ICANN participants (as a result, several did not go), and nothing is said about unsafe areas (like train stations) when the event is in Europe or another "civilized" country. Of course we all know every major city has similar problems regarding personal safety. I recall that recently in Geneva, I woke up up at 05:00 in the morning to catch the bus to the airport, opened the room window and saw a traveller being mugged in the street by a group two blocks from the train station. I went to the bus thinking about the odds the same thing would happen to me. This was Geneva, not Rio or Nairobi. And I do not want to take your time with another story -- the terrible treatment by Belgian officials when we tried to recover our tax refund in the airport. Not only the treatment in Kenya was far more friendly, but my group several times skipped official transportation to get in touch with the the real culture of the city -- and it was real great, as I am sure it will be great in Cartagena as well. frt rgds --c.a. Roland Perry wrote: > In message , at > 11:04:00 on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Carlos A. Afonso writes >> Another note on the treatment of participants in Brussels: buses took >> us from two hotels and the convention center to the "gala dinner". On >> return nearly midnight the bus drivers stopped in a place near the >> convention center, far from the hotels... And this was it. Walk, take >> a taxi said the drivers > > Were you in Paris - there we had to get the subway to and from the Gala > dinner. And with the Brussels convention centre literally across the > street from the Central Station, it's hardly in the middle of nowhere. > > The disappointment, if any, was they way they collected (at registration > and dinner ticket issue) a list of hotels, then pretty much ignored the > results. If it had been clear from the start that shuttles were to/from > the venue only, people's expectations would have been set. > > One of my abiding memories of the IGF at Sharm was wandering around > after the sessions and socials exclaiming "Golf" "Golf", while looking > for the long suffering shuttle bus back to the Martim Jolie Ville Golf > Resort. For those who weren't there, about half the hotels seemed to be > called "Martim Jolie Ville " and you soon got used to cutting > out the redundant words. -- Carlos A. Afonso CGI.br (www.cgi.br) Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) ==================================== new/nuevo/novo e-mail: ca at cafonso.ca ==================================== ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jcurran at arin.net Tue Jul 6 11:46:53 2010 From: jcurran at arin.net (John Curran) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:46:53 -0400 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <8A6D6E93-9E19-4523-9C05-B85BDEED78E8@arin.net> Carlos - I also have travelled the globe (including to many locations "off the beaten track"), and I support ICANN holding meetings in many locations, not just the "supposed safe" more developed countries. In general, this is a good practice which encourages the commingling of many points of view to the benefit of all. However, I will also note that the moment a report of potential attack on the meeting facility was made, it became extremely difficult for many organizations to send attendees. This has nothing to do with the actual level of unrest or warmth of the local hospitality as much as the liability that results for any type of organization when ignoring such a warning. It would not have mattered if the meeting were in Nairobi, Paris, Washington, or Geneva; the notice of a potential attack being planned will always result in similar cancellations. In addition to the personal tragedy that could have resulted, staff hurt in attendance at such an event (or their families) would rightfully claim that being sent into such a place with a "known" risk was irresponsible, and with the result (at least in the lovely litigious US) that an organization might be risking its entire existence and ability to perform its mission by deciding to send personnel once so forewarned. It is not a reflection of the meeting venue or locale; it's the reality of the legalistic world that many organizations need to function in today. /John On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > My notes aimed at just stressing the fact that certain organizations and > agencies from developed countries made a big fuss of the risks in Kenya, > scaring the hell out of would-be ICANN participants (as a result, > several did not go), and nothing is said about unsafe areas (like train > stations) when the event is in Europe or another "civilized" country. > > Of course we all know every major city has similar problems regarding > personal safety. I recall that recently in Geneva, I woke up up at 05:00 > in the morning to catch the bus to the airport, opened the room window > and saw a traveller being mugged in the street by a group two blocks > from the train station. I went to the bus thinking about the odds the > same thing would happen to me. This was Geneva, not Rio or Nairobi. And > I do not want to take your time with another story -- the terrible > treatment by Belgian officials when we tried to recover our tax refund > in the airport. > > Not only the treatment in Kenya was far more friendly, but my group > several times skipped official transportation to get in touch with the > the real culture of the city -- and it was real great, as I am sure it > will be great in Cartagena as well. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From plzakr at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 21:53:05 2010 From: plzakr at gmail.com (Ray Plzak) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:53:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <007101cb1d77$24f9b750$6eed25f0$@com> Carlos, Well said. Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:16 AM > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... > > My notes aimed at just stressing the fact that certain organizations > and > agencies from developed countries made a big fuss of the risks in > Kenya, > scaring the hell out of would-be ICANN participants (as a result, > several did not go), and nothing is said about unsafe areas (like train > stations) when the event is in Europe or another "civilized" country. > > Of course we all know every major city has similar problems regarding > personal safety. I recall that recently in Geneva, I woke up up at > 05:00 > in the morning to catch the bus to the airport, opened the room window > and saw a traveller being mugged in the street by a group two blocks > from the train station. I went to the bus thinking about the odds the > same thing would happen to me. This was Geneva, not Rio or Nairobi. And > I do not want to take your time with another story -- the terrible > treatment by Belgian officials when we tried to recover our tax refund > in the airport. > > Not only the treatment in Kenya was far more friendly, but my group > several times skipped official transportation to get in touch with the > the real culture of the city -- and it was real great, as I am sure it > will be great in Cartagena as well. > > frt rgds > > --c.a. > > Roland Perry wrote: > > In message , at > > 11:04:00 on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Carlos A. Afonso writes > >> Another note on the treatment of participants in Brussels: buses > took > >> us from two hotels and the convention center to the "gala dinner". > On > >> return nearly midnight the bus drivers stopped in a place near the > >> convention center, far from the hotels... And this was it. Walk, > take > >> a taxi said the drivers > > > > Were you in Paris - there we had to get the subway to and from the > Gala > > dinner. And with the Brussels convention centre literally across the > > street from the Central Station, it's hardly in the middle of > nowhere. > > > > The disappointment, if any, was they way they collected (at > registration > > and dinner ticket issue) a list of hotels, then pretty much ignored > the > > results. If it had been clear from the start that shuttles were > to/from > > the venue only, people's expectations would have been set. > > > > One of my abiding memories of the IGF at Sharm was wandering around > > after the sessions and socials exclaiming "Golf" "Golf", while > looking > > for the long suffering shuttle bus back to the Martim Jolie Ville > Golf > > Resort. For those who weren't there, about half the hotels seemed to > be > > called "Martim Jolie Ville " and you soon got used to > cutting > > out the redundant words. > > -- > > Carlos A. Afonso > CGI.br (www.cgi.br) > Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) > ==================================== > new/nuevo/novo e-mail: ca at cafonso.ca > ==================================== > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raul at lacnic.net Tue Jul 6 22:16:37 2010 From: raul at lacnic.net (Raul Echeberria) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:16:37 -0300 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <007101cb1d77$24f9b750$6eed25f0$@com> References: <9A36AD43-07B6-43B6-B348-6B5E8CCE9F7B@ipjustice.org> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73BB@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <9D151813-00C1-46CE-9CFA-DBCF466AE29E@IPJUSTICE.ORG> <4C150EFE.3020704@cafonso.ca> <75822E125BCB994F8446858C4B19F0D705AC3E73EE@SUEX07-MBX-04.ad.syr.edu> <4C232E42.6010708@cafonso.ca> <4C232FC4.7090502@seltzer.com> <4C30B533.60503@cafonso.ca> <1278324076.2102.704.camel@anriette-laptop> <4C332C94.8080405@cafonso.ca> <007101cb1d77$24f9b750$6eed25f0$@com> Message-ID: <243F0FBE-E4DC-4350-BBA8-DC15265BD6BD@lacnic.net> + 1 Raul Enviado desde mi iPhone El 06/07/2010, a las 22:53, "Ray Plzak" escribió: > Carlos, > > Well said. > > Ray > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:ca at cafonso.ca] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:16 AM >> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org >> Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... >> >> My notes aimed at just stressing the fact that certain organizations >> and >> agencies from developed countries made a big fuss of the risks in >> Kenya, >> scaring the hell out of would-be ICANN participants (as a result, >> several did not go), and nothing is said about unsafe areas (like train >> stations) when the event is in Europe or another "civilized" country. >> >> Of course we all know every major city has similar problems regarding >> personal safety. I recall that recently in Geneva, I woke up up at >> 05:00 >> in the morning to catch the bus to the airport, opened the room window >> and saw a traveller being mugged in the street by a group two blocks >> from the train station. I went to the bus thinking about the odds the >> same thing would happen to me. This was Geneva, not Rio or Nairobi. And >> I do not want to take your time with another story -- the terrible >> treatment by Belgian officials when we tried to recover our tax refund >> in the airport. >> >> Not only the treatment in Kenya was far more friendly, but my group >> several times skipped official transportation to get in touch with the >> the real culture of the city -- and it was real great, as I am sure it >> will be great in Cartagena as well. >> >> frt rgds >> >> --c.a. >> >> Roland Perry wrote: >>> In message , at >>> 11:04:00 on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Carlos A. Afonso writes >>>> Another note on the treatment of participants in Brussels: buses >> took >>>> us from two hotels and the convention center to the "gala dinner". >> On >>>> return nearly midnight the bus drivers stopped in a place near the >>>> convention center, far from the hotels... And this was it. Walk, >> take >>>> a taxi said the drivers >>> >>> Were you in Paris - there we had to get the subway to and from the >> Gala >>> dinner. And with the Brussels convention centre literally across the >>> street from the Central Station, it's hardly in the middle of >> nowhere. >>> >>> The disappointment, if any, was they way they collected (at >> registration >>> and dinner ticket issue) a list of hotels, then pretty much ignored >> the >>> results. If it had been clear from the start that shuttles were >> to/from >>> the venue only, people's expectations would have been set. >>> >>> One of my abiding memories of the IGF at Sharm was wandering around >>> after the sessions and socials exclaiming "Golf" "Golf", while >> looking >>> for the long suffering shuttle bus back to the Martim Jolie Ville >> Golf >>> Resort. For those who weren't there, about half the hotels seemed to >> be >>> called "Martim Jolie Ville " and you soon got used to >> cutting >>> out the redundant words. >> >> -- >> >> Carlos A. Afonso >> CGI.br (www.cgi.br) >> Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) >> ==================================== >> new/nuevo/novo e-mail: ca at cafonso.ca >> ==================================== >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Tue Jul 6 22:23:18 2010 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 23:23:18 -0300 Subject: [governance] FAQ about remote moderators for the upcoming IGF Message-ID: Dear all, Some people have sent e-mails to the Remote Participation Working Group about the need to appoint a remote moderator for the sessions of the upcoming IGF. We have compiled the most frequently asked questions below and we are glad to provide any additional information you may need. Please, help us spread this information more widely. * * *Do all workshop organizers have to appoint remote moderators?* Yes, since remote participation options will be available in all sessions/workshops. Remote participation can positively increase the audience of your workshop *Who can be a remote moderator?*** Any volunteer who is attending the IGF Vilnius and is not one of the speakers of the panel/workshop. The volunteer should be trained by the RPWG *How can I find a volunteer?* One possible way is to contact the list of resource persons in the IGF website: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/content/article/94-workshops/503-list-of-resource-persons It is always better to find someone who has interest on the topic of the workshop, who will be able to select the questions to be forwarded to the panel moderator. In case you *cannot find* a remote moderator in the list of resource persons nor in the community or dynamic coalitions working with topics related to your workshop, please send an e-mail to info at igfremote.info. *What is the role of the remote moderator?* A complete “job description” of the remote moderator can be found here: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/the-preparatory-process/514-job-description-for-remote-moderators. Basically, the moderator has three main functions: - They have to connect online with the remote participants *(all the equipment and software needed will be available and ready for them)* - They have to connect the online participants to the discussions in the meeting room; - Lastly, they are responsible for some follow-up work for archiving purposes and in view of improving future remote participation efforts. (They are expected to answer very brief and objective questions after the session they moderate) *The workshop already has a remote moderator. What should I do?* Please, update your workshop proposal in the IGF website with the name and contact of the remote moderator. Please, also send this information by the e-mail to the Remote Participation Working Group info at igfremote.info, so we can plan the online training. *Do remote moderators need to take any equipment with them?* No, all the equipment (computer, projector, etc) will be already in place. In case a remote moderator needs to use his/her own laptop, please advise the IGF Secretariat in advance. *Will remote moderators receive any assistance?* Yes, the Remote Participation Working Group will assist them with any doubts they may have. The group will also provide online training for remote moderators, prior to the IGF on flexible days/time. The training will last for about 40 min. Moderators will also receive on-site technical support. Regards, Marília -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From puna_gb at yahoo.com Thu Jul 8 02:18:51 2010 From: puna_gb at yahoo.com (Gao Mosweu) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283025.18659.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Colleagues, I am glad that we are recognising that Africa is not "as bad as" some people make it out to be. I am glad that people have had a great experience in Kenya, and those who are attending the World Cup in South Africa might also tell of great experiences. I think it is time to get up and take notice of Africa. We Have been known in the past for children with flies in their eyes and people killing each other at every chance.  That Africa is no more. More and more African countries are trying to uplift their standards of living, and making Africa a place favourable to any investor and/or tourist. And yes there are some things we can do well, and perhaps even do better than some developed countries. I'd just like to share with you this speech by Thabo Mbeki a few years ago... "I am An African" Have a most beautiful day! Best regards, Gao Mosweu Botswana, Africa ;-)  On Mon, 7/5/10, Arzak Khan wrote: From: Arzak Khan Subject: RE: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, ca at cafonso.ca Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 2:24 PM Dear C.A,   Like always sheer double standards.   Cheers!   Arzak    > From: anriette at apc.org > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:01:16 +0200 > Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... > > Dear c.a. > > Yes.. good question. Let's hope that we don't have the same paranoia > emerge again when the IGF is being hosted in Kenya. > > Anriette > > > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear people, > > > > When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an > > avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US > > government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. > > > > The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice > > country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above > > all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. > > > > Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central > > train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend > > Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen > > in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the > > robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". > > > > Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" > > warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? > > > > --c.a. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > anriette esterhuysen - executive director > association for progressive communications > p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 > anriette at apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 > http://www.apc.org > > APC 1990-2010 www.apc.org > Thank you for helping make APC what it is today! > ¡Gracias por hacer de APC lo que es hoy! > Merci d'avoir contribué à faire d'APC ce qu'elle est aujourd'hui! > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to:      governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see:      http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From azrak_khan at hotmail.com Thu Jul 8 03:03:39 2010 From: azrak_khan at hotmail.com (Arzak Khan) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 07:03:39 +0000 Subject: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... In-Reply-To: <283025.18659.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: ,<283025.18659.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Gao thank you for sharing the speech. Regards, Arzak Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:18:51 -0700 From: puna_gb at yahoo.com To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; azrak_khan at hotmail.com; ca at cafonso.ca Subject: RE: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... Dear Colleagues, I am glad that we are recognising that Africa is not "as bad as" some people make it out to be. I am glad that people have had a great experience in Kenya, and those who are attending the World Cup in South Africa might also tell of great experiences. I think it is time to get up and take notice of Africa. We Have been known in the past for children with flies in their eyes and people killing each other at every chance. That Africa is no more. More and more African countries are trying to uplift their standards of living, and making Africa a place favourable to any investor and/or tourist. And yes there are some things we can do well, and perhaps even do better than some developed countries. I'd just like to share with you this speech by Thabo Mbeki a few years ago... "I am An African" Have a most beautiful day! Best regards, Gao Mosweu Botswana, Africa ;-) On Mon, 7/5/10, Arzak Khan wrote: From: Arzak Khan Subject: RE: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, ca at cafonso.ca Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 2:24 PM Dear C.A, Like always sheer double standards. Cheers! Arzak > From: anriette at apc.org > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; ca at cafonso.ca > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:01:16 +0200 > Subject: Re: [governance] curious note on nairobi and brussels... > > Dear c.a. > > Yes.. good question. Let's hope that we don't have the same paranoia > emerge again when the IGF is being hosted in Kenya. > > Anriette > > > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 13:22 -0300, Carlos A. Afonso wrote: > > Dear people, > > > > When ICANN proposed to hold their meeting in Nairobi, there came an > > avalanche of reports and fears -- above all, a statement from the US > > government warning all of us not to go due to serious security concerns. > > > > The ones who went (I was there) found a wonderful people, a nice > > country, we learned a lot visiting museums and other places -- above > > all, we were at least as safe as in our home towns. > > > > Now, in Brussels, one of us had its bag forcefully stolen at the central > > train station. Nothing of this sort happened in Kenya. Our NCUC friend > > Marcelo Fernandes Costa had about Eu5,000 in equipment and money stolen > > in the capital of Europe. When he approached a policeman to report the > > robbery, the Belgian shook his shoulders as if saying "nothing new...". > > > > Why didn't the US government and other "mandarins of worldwide security" > > warn us about the serious risks we run when in civilized Europe??? > > > > --c.a. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > anriette esterhuysen - executive director > association for progressive communications > p o box 29755 melville - south africa 2109 > anriette at apc.org - tel/fax + 27 11 726 1692 + 27 11 726 1692 > http://www.apc.org > > APC 1990-2010 www.apc.org > Thank you for helping make APC what it is today! > ¡Gracias por hacer de APC lo que es hoy! > Merci d'avoir contribué à faire d'APC ce qu'elle est aujourd'hui! > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 12:57:14 2010 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:27:14 +0530 Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from Developing and Developed Countries Message-ID: Hello There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's technological progress? Have Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to adopt to the changes of the times?" I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed Countries. The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. Thank you Sivasubramanian M http://isolatednetworks.com http://www.isocmadras.com facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 10:41:43 2010 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:41:43 -0300 Subject: [governance] Call for IGF hub registration Message-ID: Please, help to disseminate this call widely in your regions and sorry for the cross-posting. *Take part on the discussions about Internet Governance: organize a local IGF hub in your home city * *1)** **The internet Governance Forum (IGF) * The IGF takes place once a year and aims to discuss issues related to Internet governance that touch directly upon the lives of Internet users, such as: privacy, freedom of expression, access to the Internet and content diversity, to name just a few. In 2010, the IGF will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania. Unfortunately, several factors may hamper physical attendance, such as professional commitments and travel costs. *But staying in your home city does not mean you cannot participate actively and make your voice heard. There will be interactive channels for remote participation.* You can watch the discussions from home, following the webcast of the event and participating through chat/video. But it is also possible to organize IGF hubs. *2) What are the Hubs?* The hubs are local meetings that take place in parallel with the main meeting. People can watch the webcast together and send questions (text or video) that will be answered by panelists in IGF. In addition, hub organizers can hold debates to discuss the themes introduced at the IGF, but from a local perspective. There are several advantages in creating a hub: it helps to raise awareness about Internet Governance issues, it fosters networking among participants and community building and it encourages follow-up activities. *3) How to organize a hub?* The requirements are very simple: - A room or auditorium. It can be held in a university classroom or any other convenient place - A computer with a broadband Internet connection and a video‐conference (or projector) equipment, to watch the webcast. - A hub moderator, who will plan the dynamics of the local roundtables and discussions as well as transmit the hub participants’ questions or comments to the IGF meeting through the remote participation channels. - A general call in lists, forums, etc, to invite the interested local community - An online training session to become familiar with the platform that will be used for interaction will be offered prior to the event *4) Dynamics of interaction during the meeting* Remote participants will be able to *follow the meeting* taking place in Vilnius by watching videocasts or listening to audiocasts from the meeting rooms, by viewing the PPT presentations from the speakers, and by reading real-time closed captioning. Remote participants will be able to *interact with the meeting* individually or from a hub. All remote participants will be able to send text questions, using the remote participation platform. These questions will be forwarded to the panel moderator when he/she opens the floor for questions from the audience. Hubs can also interact live through video. * * *5) How to register a hub* Visit the website of the IGF and follow the instructions: http://intgovforum.org/cms/the-preparatory-process/512 * * *6) More information about remote participation in the IGF* For more information about remote participation in the IGF, please contact the IGF Secretariat or the Remote Participation Working Group ( www.igfremote.info) at info at igfremote.info -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mazzone at ebu.ch Mon Jul 12 06:21:46 2010 From: mazzone at ebu.ch (Mazzone, Giacomo) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:21:46 +0200 Subject: [governance] First Finnish Internet Forum, Helsinki, Sept. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488E8B79032F7642949B28142651689CF48AD1229D@GVAMAIL.gva.ebu.ch> Dear Yirio, Thank you very much for the kind invitation. I don't think I could attend, but thank you for thinking about me. Giacomo From: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com] Sent: jeudi, 1. juillet 2010 16:31 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] First Finnish Internet Forum, Helsinki, Sept. 20-21, 2010 Dear all, ISOC Finland is arranging, in cooperation with the Finnish Parliament, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Ministry of Transport and Communications and some other organisations, the first national Internet Governance meeting in Finland. http://internetforum.fi/ The meeting takes place after the conclusion of the 5th international Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Vilnius the week before. The sessions of the first day will be in English and those of the second day, Finnish. Because the meeting is held in the premises of the Parliament attendance is by invitation only. If you want to participate, please contact me or use the contact form (http://internetforum.fi/feedback.html) and we'll arrange the invitations. Best regards, Yrjö ________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon Jul 12 08:39:03 2010 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:39:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] FYI ITU References: <488E8B79032F7642949B28142651689CF48AD1229D@GVAMAIL.gva.ebu.ch> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06E72@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> http://www.broadbandcommission.org/commissioners.html ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nursesacrosstheborders at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 05:56:05 2010 From: nursesacrosstheborders at yahoo.com (NURSES ACROSS THE BORDERS) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:56:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [governance] URGENT REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE: TRANSLATION IN FRENCH NEEDED. Message-ID: <99837.33804.qm@web24504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear Friends and Colegues, I am taking the liberty of my membership in this prestigious body to seek assistance in TRANSLATING the attached in French just the way it is on MS Word please. It is an APPEAL made by me to the France Consulate in France to reconsider the refusal of our visa applications recently. The standard procedure is for such appeal to be made in FRENCH. I have till Friday to have this letter posted out of Nigeria. Please, forward your translation as attachment to me so that I just signed the portion above my name trusting in your abilities to give me a correct translation. You have my regards as always please. Thank you Pastor Peters OMORAGBON Executive President/CEO Nurses Across the Borders Humanitarian Initiative-Inc.-(Nigeria & U.S.A) An NGO On Special Consultative Status with The Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-(ECOSOC) Member(OBSERVER),United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) URL: www.nursesacrosstheborders.org NABHI as affiliate of the United Nations is poised to uphold the TENETS of the CHARTERS of the UN. THIS it pledges to promote and publicise for enhanced Sustainable Developmet. WE believe in a World of Law and Order, Peace and Security with RESPECT for Fundamental Human Rights. NABHI IS NOT A VISA PROCUREMENT AGENCY NOR IS IT AN INTERNATIONAL RECRUITMENT AGENCY ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: APPEAL AGAINST THE DECISION TO REFUSE US VISA TO FRANCE.doc Type: application/msword Size: 37376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fouadbajwa at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 21:02:36 2010 From: fouadbajwa at gmail.com (Fouad Bajwa) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:02:36 +0500 Subject: [governance] China issues white paper on Internet policy Message-ID: Forwarded for information purposes only! China issues white paper on Internet policy Story: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-06/08/c_13339058.htm Full text of white paper: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-06/08/c_13339232.htm BEIJING, June 8 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese government Tuesday published a white paper on its Internet policy, stressing the guarantee of citizens' freedom of speech on the Internet and more intensive application of it. The white paper, released by the State Council Information Office, introduced facts of the development and use of the Internet in China, and elaborated on the country's basic policies on the Internet. The Chinese government actively advocates and supports the development and application of the Internet across the country, it said, stressing the government's basic Internet policy: active use, scientific development, law-based administration and ensured security. By the end of 2009 the number of netizens in China had reached 384 million, 618 times that of 1997 with an annual increase of 31.95 million users. The Internet had reached 28.9 percent of the total population by the end of 2009, higher than the world average. Its accessibility will be raised to 45 percent of the population in the coming five years, it said. There were 3.23 million websites running in China last year, which was 2,152 times that of 1997. Of all the netizens, 346 million used broadband and 233 million used mobile phones to access the Internet. They had moved on from dialing the access numbers to broadband and mobile phones. "These statistics make China among the top of the developing countries in developing and popularizing the Internet," the paper said. -- Regards. -------------------------- Fouad Bajwa ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 09:08:33 2010 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:38:33 -0430 Subject: [governance] IG and ICT Policy workshop in Vilnius Message-ID: <4C41AB51.5080803@gmail.com> DiploFoundation is happy to announce its forthcoming training workshop in Internet Governance and ICT Policy within its ACP project. The workshop particularly targeting officials and professionals from ACP states that will participate at the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Lithuania in September will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania, on 13 September 2010, as the pre-event of the IGF meeting. Deadline for applications is 15 August 2010. For details and to apply, please take a look at the announcement below. For more info, check at: www.diplomacy.edu/acp Please disseminate the call through your list of contacts in other all the ACP countries. Best, Ginger Internet Governance Diplomacy: Training Workshop 13 September, Vilnius, Lithuania Conducted by DiploFoundation Deadline for applications 15 August 2010 DiploFoundation is pleased to invite officials and professionals from the ACP (Africa-Caribbean-Pacific) Group of States who are attending the 5th Internet Governance Forum (IGF) meeting in Vilnius, Lithuania, 14–17 September 2010, to register for a pre-event workshop on Internet Governance (IG) issues and information and communication technology (ICT) policies in national, regional and international processes. This training workshop will give participants an overview of the multidisciplinary field of IG (including technical, legal, economic, socio-cultural, and developmental aspects) and explain interplay among international, regional and national IG policy processes. This is an opportunity for officials and professionals from ACP countries to strengthen their overall understanding of IG and to develop diplomatic approach of their country and institution in the IGF process, especially at the subsequent 5th IGF meeting. Registration is open to all stakeholders from ACP (Africa-Caribbean-Pacific) countries. The workshop is limited to 25 participants. Accommodation, meals, and organised local transportation will be provided for selected participants. International travel costs must be covered by participants or by their sending institutions. To apply, please e-mail your full name, country of residence, institution, and position to: acpinfo at diplomacy.edu before 15 August 2010. Training Workshop Programme Introduction to Internet Governance – Issues - Introduction to Internet Governance (Evolution, International Context, Basic Terminology, Guiding Principles) - Infrastructure and Standardisation Basket (Infrastructure, TCP/IP, DNS, Root Servers, Internet Service Providers, Economic Models, Security) - Legal Basket (Legal Mechanisms, Jurisdiction, Arbitration, Intellectual Property Rights, Cybercrime) - Economic Basket (E-Commerce, E-Banking and E-Money) - Socio-Cultural Basket (Content Policy, Privacy and Data Protection, Multilingualism and Cultural Diversity) - Development Basket (The Digital Divide, Access to Knowledge, Network Neutrality, Capacity Development) Introduction to Internet Governance – Process and Actors - Process (WSIS, IGF, ICANN) - Actors (ICANN, RIR, ISOC, UN, ITU, Regional Organisations, Governments, Private Sector, Civil Society) - Diplomacy (Participation, National and Regional Priorities, Chairing, and Negotiations) Regional Perspective Planning Regional Policy and Participation IG Initiatives - Diplomatic positioning within the IGF process of the country / region / institution - Dialogue and negotiations with other actors / stakeholders - ICT policy and strategic planning Certificate Ceremony Successful participants will receive an Internet Governance Diplomat certificate. This workshop is a sponsored event within a series of planned activities under the Capacity Development in ICT Policy and Internet Governance for Africa – Caribbean – Pacific (ACP) programme. This programme is led by DiploFoundation in conjunction with seven ACP partner institutions and is supported by the European Commission and Secretariat of the ACP Group of States. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 10:50:47 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from Developing and Developed Countries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472655.28332.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I always wonder about this "from" approach. Perhaps you could give me some insight as to why it is applied in this situation. Once I did some research in a fairly warring area. I went to the soldiers who were "in it" and found quickly that their insights were very helpful in understanding their individual situations,, but very much for the most part very ignorant and outright wrong in trying to get a handle on the cause of the conflict. In international trade the custom is in fact to introduce someone regarding where they are from ---- and that basically is the end of that except for small talk.The worth of their comments and insight is and should not be effected or affected by where they are from. In marketing we call it the testimonial effect "this housewife uses xxx so it must be good" But in fact she is either an actor or a paid shill. There are good reasons to reach out and bring in folks who are really experiencing an issue "from" where they are at, but they are witnesses not "speakers". And lastly, it would seem one would want Victors speaking at such matters - a How I did it, approach, not victims. (apologies to all if that is politically incorrect or insulting to a funding model) ________________________________ From: Sivasubramanian M To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:57:14 AM Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from Developing and Developed Countries Hello There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's technological progress? Have Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to adopt to the changes of the times?" I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed Countries. The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. Thank you Sivasubramanian M http://isolatednetworks.com http://www.isocmadras.com facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 17 11:30:29 2010 From: cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net (Eric Dierker) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] URGENT REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE: TRANSLATION IN FRENCH NEEDED. In-Reply-To: <99837.33804.qm@web24504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <99837.33804.qm@web24504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <987615.94439.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What was the reason given for denying or refusing the visa application? ________________________________ From: NURSES ACROSS THE BORDERS To: "alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org" ; ICANN At-Large Staff Cc: Governance cpsr ; sylla fatima ; Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA ; Tijani BEN JEMAA ; Tijani BEN JEMAA ; GINGER INTERNET GOVERNANCE ; internet Governance Forum ; governance wsis ; group-digests at linkedin.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 2:56:05 AM Subject: [governance] URGENT REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE: TRANSLATION IN FRENCH NEEDED. Dear Friends and Colegues, I am taking the liberty of my membership in this prestigious body to seek assistance in TRANSLATING the attached in French just the way it is on MS Word please. It is an APPEAL made by me to the France Consulate in France to reconsider the refusal of our visa applications recently. The standard procedure is for such appeal to be made in FRENCH. I have till Friday to have this letter posted out of Nigeria. Please, forward your translation as attachment to me so that I just signed the portion above my name trusting in your abilities to give me a correct translation. You have my regards as always please. Thank you Pastor Peters OMORAGBON Executive President/CEO Nurses Across the Borders Humanitarian Initiative-Inc.-(Nigeria & U.S.A) An NGO On Special Consultative Status with The Economic and Social Council of the United Nations-(ECOSOC) Member(OBSERVER),United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) URL: www.nursesacrosstheborders.org NABHI as affiliate of the United Nations is poised to uphold the TENETS of the CHARTERS of the UN. THIS it pledges to promote and publicise for enhanced Sustainable Developmet. WE believe in a World of Law and Order, Peace and Security with RESPECT for Fundamental Human Rights. NABHI IS NOT A VISA PROCUREMENT AGENCY NOR IS IT AN INTERNATIONAL RECRUITMENT AGENCY ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 12:15:15 2010 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:45:15 +0530 Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from In-Reply-To: <472655.28332.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <472655.28332.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Eric Dierker This topic particularly requires speakers with geographic perspectives from different regions / economies, as it happens to be a topic that is also about examining disparities if any in the Global Internet Commerce framework. Also, IGF looks for a geographical balance (and gender balance) so I should have captioned my message as Speakers from Devloping and Developed Countries, Men and Women" :) Thanks. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Eric Dierker wrote: > I always wonder about this "from" approach. Perhaps you could give me some > insight as to why it is applied in this situation. > > Once I did some research in a fairly warring area. I went to the soldiers > who were "in it" and found quickly that their insights were very helpful in > understanding their individual situations,, but very much for the most part > very ignorant and outright wrong in trying to get a handle on the cause of > the conflict. > > In international trade the custom is in fact to introduce someone regarding > where they are from ---- and that basically is the end of that except for > small talk.The worth of their comments and insight is and should not be > effected or affected by where they are from. > In marketing we call it the testimonial effect "this housewife uses xxx so > it must be good" But in fact she is either an actor or a paid shill. > > There are good reasons to reach out and bring in folks who are really > experiencing an issue "from" where they are at, but they are witnesses not > "speakers". And lastly, it would seem one would want Victors speaking at > such matters - a How I did it, approach, not victims. > > (apologies to all if that is politically incorrect or insulting to a > funding model) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sivasubramanian M > *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org > *Sent:* Thu, July 8, 2010 9:57:14 AM > *Subject:* [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from > Developing and Developed Countries > > Hello > > There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 > "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal > is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 > > > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 > > The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the > International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's > technological progress? Have > Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has > empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to > adopt to the changes of the times?" > > I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding > of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest > names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed > Countries. > > The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September > 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. > > Thank you > Sivasubramanian M > http://isolatednetworks.com > > http://www.isocmadras.com > facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh > LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 > Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From roland at internetpolicyagency.com Sat Jul 17 13:12:37 2010 From: roland at internetpolicyagency.com (Roland Perry) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:12:37 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC Message-ID: The best information I have (which may not be up to date) was that the IGF continuance would be on the agenda at the UN-ECOSOC meeting yesterday (Friday) afternoon in New York. Does anyone have any intelligence on what might be the outcome? -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sat Jul 17 16:31:27 2010 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from Message-ID: <819468.66204.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Sivasubramanian May I offer representation of a developing country Pakistan (from the platform of Urdu Internet Society) for the for the IGF workshop No 80 on the topic of "International Trade and Internet Governance"? We understand that following references should be included in the scope of deliverable items of presentations: 1. International Trade categories and related policies. 2. Maximum Utilization of Internet as a Business Tool. 3. Major Limitations and Constraints for Traders, Data centers, Clients, Common Users and Buyers. 4. Availability of Online Banking, Credit Cards support, Paypal service w.r.t. Local Currency. 5. Possible solutions and (good) Internet Governance. 6. Finally assign (regional) responsibilities to implement appropriate solutions. This is a result oriented agenda which needs more time to express and to deliver. Please inform that who will bear the cost of travelling and accommodation of the volunteer speaker and how much time will be given to present his papers? Thanking you Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah Executive Member Urdu Internet Society www.UISoc.org On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:15 PKT Sivasubramanian M wrote: >Dear Eric Dierker > >This topic particularly requires speakers with geographic perspectives from >different regions / economies, as it happens to be a topic that is also >about examining disparities if any in the Global Internet Commerce >framework. > >Also, IGF looks for a geographical balance (and gender balance) so I should >have captioned my message as Speakers from Devloping and Developed >Countries, Men and Women" :) > >Thanks. > > > >On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Eric Dierker >wrote: > >> I always wonder about this "from" approach. Perhaps you could give me some >> insight as to why it is applied in this situation. >> >> Once I did some research in a fairly warring area. I went to the soldiers >> who were "in it" and found quickly that their insights were very helpful in >> understanding their individual situations,, but very much for the most part >> very ignorant and outright wrong in trying to get a handle on the cause of >> the conflict. >> >> In international trade the custom is in fact to introduce someone regarding >> where they are from ---- and that basically is the end of that except for >> small talk.The worth of their comments and insight is and should not be >> effected or affected by where they are from. >> In marketing we call it the testimonial effect "this housewife uses xxx so >> it must be good" But in fact she is either an actor or a paid shill. >> >> There are good reasons to reach out and bring in folks who are really >> experiencing an issue "from" where they are at, but they are witnesses not >> "speakers". And lastly, it would seem one would want Victors speaking at >> such matters - a How I did it, approach, not victims. >> >> (apologies to all if that is politically incorrect or insulting to a >> funding model) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Sivasubramanian M >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org >> *Sent:* Thu, July 8, 2010 9:57:14 AM >> *Subject:* [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from >> Developing and Developed Countries >> >> Hello >> >> There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 >> "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal >> is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 >> >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 >> >> The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the >> International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's >> technological progress? Have >> Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has >> empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to >> adopt to the changes of the times?" >> >> I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding >> of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest >> names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed >> Countries. >> >> The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September >> 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. >> >> Thank you >> Sivasubramanian M >> http://isolatednetworks.com >> >> http://www.isocmadras.com >> facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh >> LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 >> Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 18:57:09 2010 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:57:09 -0400 Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Siva: >From the Caribbean region, you will be able to locate the active accredited Trade experts at: http://www.crnm.org/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=53&Itemid=88 as well as http://www.crnm.org/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=55&Itemid=90 Their detailed bio and contact info is included at the links Hope this helps. Rgds, Tracy On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Hello > > There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 > "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal > is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 > > > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 > > The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the > International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's > technological progress? Have > Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has > empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to > adopt to the changes of the times?" > > I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding > of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest > names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed > Countries. > > The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September > 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. > > Thank you > Sivasubramanian M > http://isolatednetworks.com > > http://www.isocmadras.com > facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh > LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 > Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 01:45:17 2010 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:15:17 +0530 Subject: [governance] Re: request for help in identifying speakers from Developing and Developed Countries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Tracy Hackshaw, Thank You for this pointer. It is a very helpful suggestion. I will write to the Caribbean experts now. Sivasubramanian M http://turiya.co.in On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google < tracyhackshaw at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Siva: > > From the Caribbean region, you will be able to locate the active accredited > Trade experts at: > > > http://www.crnm.org/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=53&Itemid=88 > > > as well as > > > http://www.crnm.org/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=55&Itemid=90 > > Their detailed bio and contact info is included at the links > > Hope this helps. > > Rgds, > > Tracy > > > > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > >> Hello >> >> There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 >> "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal >> is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 >> >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 >> >> The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the >> International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's >> technological progress? Have >> Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has >> empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to >> adopt to the changes of the times?" >> >> I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding >> of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest >> names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed >> Countries. >> >> The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September >> 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. >> >> Thank you >> Sivasubramanian M >> http://isolatednetworks.com >> >> http://www.isocmadras.com >> facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh >> LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 >> Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 03:49:16 2010 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:19:16 +0530 Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from In-Reply-To: <819468.66204.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <819468.66204.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Imarn Ahmed Shah Thank you for your response to this message and for offering to be a panelist. I agree that many of the items that you have listed are sub-topics for discussion. I have already passed on your name to my colleagues who will reach you in a day or two. Thank you Sivasubramanian M On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear Sivasubramanian > > May I offer representation of a developing country Pakistan (from the > platform of Urdu Internet Society) for the for the IGF workshop No 80 on the > topic of "International Trade and Internet Governance"? > > We understand that following references should be included in the scope of > deliverable items of presentations: > 1. International Trade categories and related policies. > 2. Maximum Utilization of Internet as a Business Tool. > 3. Major Limitations and Constraints for Traders, Data centers, Clients, > Common Users and Buyers. > 4. Availability of Online Banking, Credit Cards support, Paypal service > w.r.t. Local Currency. > 5. Possible solutions and (good) Internet Governance. > 6. Finally assign (regional) responsibilities to implement appropriate > solutions. > > This is a result oriented agenda which needs more time to express and to > deliver. > > Please inform that who will bear the cost of travelling and accommodation > of the volunteer speaker and how much time will be given to present his > papers? > > Thanking you > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > Executive Member > Urdu Internet Society > www.UISoc.org > > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:15 PKT Sivasubramanian M wrote: > > >Dear Eric Dierker > > > >This topic particularly requires speakers with geographic perspectives > from > >different regions / economies, as it happens to be a topic that is also > >about examining disparities if any in the Global Internet Commerce > >framework. > > > >Also, IGF looks for a geographical balance (and gender balance) so I > should > >have captioned my message as Speakers from Devloping and Developed > >Countries, Men and Women" :) > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > >On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Eric Dierker > >wrote: > > > >> I always wonder about this "from" approach. Perhaps you could give me > some > >> insight as to why it is applied in this situation. > >> > >> Once I did some research in a fairly warring area. I went to the > soldiers > >> who were "in it" and found quickly that their insights were very helpful > in > >> understanding their individual situations,, but very much for the most > part > >> very ignorant and outright wrong in trying to get a handle on the cause > of > >> the conflict. > >> > >> In international trade the custom is in fact to introduce someone > regarding > >> where they are from ---- and that basically is the end of that except > for > >> small talk.The worth of their comments and insight is and should not be > >> effected or affected by where they are from. > >> In marketing we call it the testimonial effect "this housewife uses xxx > so > >> it must be good" But in fact she is either an actor or a paid shill. > >> > >> There are good reasons to reach out and bring in folks who are really > >> experiencing an issue "from" where they are at, but they are witnesses > not > >> "speakers". And lastly, it would seem one would want Victors speaking > at > >> such matters - a How I did it, approach, not victims. > >> > >> (apologies to all if that is politically incorrect or insulting to a > >> funding model) > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* Sivasubramanian M > >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> *Sent:* Thu, July 8, 2010 9:57:14 AM > >> *Subject:* [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from > >> Developing and Developed Countries > >> > >> Hello > >> > >> There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 > >> "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal > >> is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 > >> > >> > >> > http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 > >> > >> The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the > >> International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's > >> technological progress? Have > >> Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has > >> empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to > >> adopt to the changes of the times?" > >> > >> I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding > >> of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest > >> names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed > >> Countries. > >> > >> The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September > >> 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. > >> > >> Thank you > >> Sivasubramanian M > >> http://isolatednetworks.com > >> > >> http://www.isocmadras.com > >> facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh > >> LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 > >> Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >> governance at lists.cpsr.org > >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: > >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > >> > >> For all list information and functions, see: > >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 07:24:47 2010 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from Message-ID: <508398.51715.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Sivasubramanian Thank you for prompt reply. You are more than welcome. Regards Imran On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:49 PKT Sivasubramanian M wrote: >Dear Imarn Ahmed Shah > > >Thank you for your response to this message and for offering to be a >panelist. I agree that many of the items that you have listed are sub-topics >for discussion. > >I have already passed on your name to my colleagues who will reach you in a >day or two. > >Thank you >Sivasubramanian M > > > >On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > >> Dear Sivasubramanian >> >> May I offer representation of a developing country Pakistan (from the >> platform of Urdu Internet Society) for the for the IGF workshop No 80 on the >> topic of "International Trade and Internet Governance"? >> >> We understand that following references should be included in the scope of >> deliverable items of presentations: >> 1. International Trade categories and related policies. >> 2. Maximum Utilization of Internet as a Business Tool. >> 3. Major Limitations and Constraints for Traders, Data centers, Clients, >> Common Users and Buyers. >> 4. Availability of Online Banking, Credit Cards support, Paypal service >> w.r.t. Local Currency. >> 5. Possible solutions and (good) Internet Governance. >> 6. Finally assign (regional) responsibilities to implement appropriate >> solutions. >> >> This is a result oriented agenda which needs more time to express and to >> deliver. >> >> Please inform that who will bear the cost of travelling and accommodation >> of the volunteer speaker and how much time will be given to present his >> papers? >> >> Thanking you >> >> Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> Executive Member >> Urdu Internet Society >> www.UISoc.org >> >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:15 PKT Sivasubramanian M wrote: >> >> >Dear Eric Dierker >> > >> >This topic particularly requires speakers with geographic perspectives >> from >> >different regions / economies, as it happens to be a topic that is also >> >about examining disparities if any in the Global Internet Commerce >> >framework. >> > >> >Also, IGF looks for a geographical balance (and gender balance) so I >> should >> >have captioned my message as Speakers from Devloping and Developed >> >Countries, Men and Women" :) >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> > >> > >> >On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Eric Dierker >> >wrote: >> > >> >> I always wonder about this "from" approach. Perhaps you could give me >> some >> >> insight as to why it is applied in this situation. >> >> >> >> Once I did some research in a fairly warring area. I went to the >> soldiers >> >> who were "in it" and found quickly that their insights were very helpful >> in >> >> understanding their individual situations,, but very much for the most >> part >> >> very ignorant and outright wrong in trying to get a handle on the cause >> of >> >> the conflict. >> >> >> >> In international trade the custom is in fact to introduce someone >> regarding >> >> where they are from ---- and that basically is the end of that except >> for >> >> small talk.The worth of their comments and insight is and should not be >> >> effected or affected by where they are from. >> >> In marketing we call it the testimonial effect "this housewife uses xxx >> so >> >> it must be good" But in fact she is either an actor or a paid shill. >> >> >> >> There are good reasons to reach out and bring in folks who are really >> >> experiencing an issue "from" where they are at, but they are witnesses >> not >> >> "speakers". And lastly, it would seem one would want Victors speaking >> at >> >> such matters - a How I did it, approach, not victims. >> >> >> >> (apologies to all if that is politically incorrect or insulting to a >> >> funding model) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Sivasubramanian M >> >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org >> >> *Sent:* Thu, July 8, 2010 9:57:14 AM >> >> *Subject:* [governance] request for help in identifying speakers from >> >> Developing and Developed Countries >> >> >> >> Hello >> >> >> >> There are one or two slots for panelists for the IGF workshop No 80 >> >> "International Trade and Internet Governance" . The workshop proposal >> >> is described at page: http://tinyurl.com/vigf80 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/index.php/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=80 >> >> >> >> The workshop would seek to answer questions such as "Has the >> >> International Trade framework progressed at the rate of Internet's >> >> technological progress? Have >> >> Governments empowered business and consumers as much as Technology has >> >> empowered them? Is there any resistence on the part of Governments to >> >> adopt to the changes of the times?" >> >> >> >> I am looking for IGF participants who have an extensive understanding >> >> of the issues outlined as the theme of this workshop. Please suggest >> >> names of International Trade Experts from Developing and Developed >> >> Countries. >> >> >> >> The workshop is scheduled for Day 4, 14.30 - 18.30, Friday, September >> >> 17, 2010 and will take place at Room No 8. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> http://isolatednetworks.com >> >> >> >> http://www.isocmadras.com >> >> facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh >> >> LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6 >> >> Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nose4bs at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 11:59:33 2010 From: nose4bs at hotmail.com (Nose ForBS) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:59:33 +0000 Subject: [governance] IG and ICT Policy workshop in Vilnius Message-ID: DiploFoundation is happy to announce its forthcoming training workshop in Internet Governance and ICT Policy within its ACP project. The workshop particularly targeting officials and professionals from ACP states that will participate at the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Lithuania in September will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania, on 13 September 2010, as the pre-event of the IGF meeting. Deadline for applications is 15 August 2010. Certificate Ceremony Successful participants will receive an Internet Governance Diplomat certificate. Sit through a one day workshop and you get a certificate calling you a Diplomat? What a deal! Sure beats two years of grad school and passing the Foreign Service exam... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gpaque at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:05:39 2010 From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:35:39 -0430 Subject: [governance] IG and ICT Policy workshop in Vilnius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C43A4E3.9060107@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tracyhackshaw at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:22:46 2010 From: tracyhackshaw at gmail.com (Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:22:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] IG and ICT Policy workshop in Vilnius In-Reply-To: <4C43A4E3.9060107@gmail.com> References: <4C43A4E3.9060107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well said Ginger ... Internet Governance, in particular, requires trained and knowledgeable practitioners from all walks of life, from all facets of society. Providing easy and meaningful access to fundamental training is a key component of making the IG process open to all and not to a select few ... The world of education and training is changing rapidly. Business Schools now offer 1 and 2 week diplomas to experienced practitioners ... Online Learning, Social Leaning, e-Leaning and m-Learning ensures that the last mile of "distance education" is being shortened and rapidly so. We would do well to recognize the work that DiploFoundation is doing in closing the digital gap wrt IG learning. Like most things in life, it's not perfect (what is?), but it's a helluva lot better than basically all of the meaningless stuff floating around. My 2c. Rgds, Tracy On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Ginger Paque wrote: > In reply to:* > > 'Sit through a one day workshop and you get a certificate calling you a > Diplomat? What a deal! Sure beats two years of grad school and passing > the Foreign Service exam...'* > > Diplomacy is too important to be left only to 'diplomats', who are > generally understood to be officials of a State's foreign service. Diplomacy > is the core of international policy processes, addressing problems through > negotiations and compromise. Traditional 'diplomats' are one very important > part of this type of diplomacy. But the field is increasingly influenced by > other government officials and non-state actors. > > Becoming a diplomat is not a matter of training for an elite diplomatic > corps, it is the daily experience of thousands of people involved in global > policy. It is matter of re-defining the term. IG is a good example of this > change. In the IGF and ICANN policy processes, for example, new frameworks > are being designed by a wide variety of players, including traditional > dipomats. Lowering the entry threshold in global policy processes - > including diplomacy - is the way to empower people, increase inclusiveness > and give global policy processes more legitimacy. The multistakeholder IGF > process in particular is preparing and involving professionals from all > areas to ensure that the international IG policy processes take advantage of > all possible resources. > > Clarification: I remind all of you that I coordinate DiploFoundation's > online IG courses. > > Best, Ginger > > > > On 7/18/2010 11:29 AM, Nose ForBS wrote: > > DiploFoundation is happy to announce its forthcoming training workshop in > Internet Governance and ICT Policy within its ACP project. > > The workshop particularly targeting officials and professionals from ACP > states that will participate at the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in > Lithuania in September will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania, on 13 > September 2010, as the pre-event of the IGF meeting. Deadline for > applications is 15 August 2010. > > > Certificate Ceremony > > Successful participants will receive an Internet Governance Diplomat > certificate. > > > Sit through a one day workshop and you get a certificate calling you a > Diplomat? What a deal! Sure beats two years of grad school and passing > the Foreign Service exam... > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. Learn more. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gurstein at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 04:49:31 2010 From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:49:31 +0200 Subject: [governance] FW: [km4dev-l] Digital Diplomacy Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Giora Hadar [mailto:giora at artofknowledge.org] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:34 AM To: KM4Dev Subject: [km4dev-l] Digital Diplomacy http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/magazine/18web2-0-t.html ________________________ Please take a look at the KM4dev Knowledge Base, where we encourage you to summarize discussion threads: http://wiki.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Community_Knowledge KM4Dev is a community of international development practitioners who are interested in knowledge management and knowledge sharing issues and approaches. Please check out our website: http://www.km4dev.org !DSPAM:2676,4c43ffec177551094712723! ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From renate.bloem at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 07:43:16 2010 From: renate.bloem at gmail.com (Renate Bloem (Gmail)) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:43:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4c443a5d.e8e9d80a.5497.77e0@mx.google.com> Not on the discussion of the IGF continuance, but this happened also on Friday: Step Taken to End Impasse Over Cybersecurity Talks Renate Bloem -----Original Message----- From: Roland Perry [mailto:roland at internetpolicyagency.com] Sent: samedi, 17. juillet 2010 19:13 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC The best information I have (which may not be up to date) was that the IGF continuance would be on the agenda at the UN-ECOSOC meeting yesterday (Friday) afternoon in New York. Does anyone have any intelligence on what might be the outcome? -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 10:46:40 2010 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:46:40 -0300 Subject: [governance] Deadline for IGF hub registration: 31 July Message-ID: Just a quick remind of the deadline to register IGF hubs, which is *31 July* Further information can be found below. Regards, Marília 2010/7/9 Marilia Maciel > Please, help to disseminate this call widely in your regions and sorry for > the cross-posting. > > > > *Take part on the discussions about Internet Governance: organize a local > IGF hub in your home city * > > > > *1)** **The internet Governance Forum (IGF) > * > > The IGF takes place once a year and aims to discuss issues related to > Internet governance that touch directly upon the lives of Internet users, > such as: privacy, freedom of expression, access to the Internet and content > diversity, to name just a few. > > In 2010, the IGF will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania. Unfortunately, > several factors may hamper physical attendance, such as professional > commitments and travel costs. *But staying in your home city does not mean > you cannot participate actively and make your voice heard. There will be > interactive channels for remote participation.* You can watch the > discussions from home, following the webcast of the event and participating > through chat/video. But it is also possible to organize IGF hubs. > > > > *2) What are the Hubs?* > > The hubs are local meetings that take place in parallel with the main > meeting. People can watch the webcast together and send questions (text or > video) that will be answered by panelists in IGF. In addition, hub > organizers can hold debates to discuss the themes introduced at the IGF, but > from a local perspective. There are several advantages in creating a hub: it > helps to raise awareness about Internet Governance issues, it fosters > networking among participants and community building and it encourages > follow-up activities. > > > > *3) How to organize a hub?* > > The requirements are very simple: > > - A room or auditorium. It can be held in a university classroom or any > other convenient place > - A computer with a broadband Internet connection and a video‐conference > (or projector) equipment, to watch the webcast. > - A hub moderator, who will plan the dynamics of the local roundtables > and discussions as well as transmit the hub participants’ questions or > comments to the IGF meeting through the remote participation channels. > - A general call in lists, forums, etc, to invite the interested local > community > - An online training session to become familiar with the platform that > will be used for interaction will be offered prior to the event > > *4) Dynamics of interaction during the meeting* > > Remote participants will be able to *follow the meeting* taking place in > Vilnius by watching videocasts or listening to audiocasts from the meeting > rooms, by viewing the PPT presentations from the speakers, and by reading > real-time closed captioning. > > Remote participants will be able to *interact with the meeting*individually or from a hub. All remote participants will be able to send > text questions, using the remote participation platform. These questions > will be forwarded to the panel moderator when he/she opens the floor for > questions from the audience. Hubs can also interact live through video. > > * > * > > *5) How to register a hub* > > Visit the website of the IGF and follow the instructions: > http://intgovforum.org/cms/the-preparatory-process/512 > > * > * > > *6) More information about remote participation in the IGF* > > For more information about remote participation in the IGF, please contact > the IGF Secretariat or the Remote Participation Working Group ( > www.igfremote.info) at info at igfremote.info > > > > -- > Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade > FGV Direito Rio > > Center for Technology and Society > Getulio Vargas Foundation > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Mon Jul 19 12:05:49 2010 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:05:49 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC References: <4c443a5d.e8e9d80a.5497.77e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06EAF@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Does somebody has the full text of the set of the adopted recommendations? wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Renate Bloem (Gmail) [mailto:renate.bloem at gmail.com] Gesendet: Mo 19.07.2010 13:43 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Roland Perry' Betreff: RE: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC Not on the discussion of the IGF continuance, but this happened also on Friday: Step Taken to End Impasse Over Cybersecurity Talks Renate Bloem -----Original Message----- From: Roland Perry [mailto:roland at internetpolicyagency.com] Sent: samedi, 17. juillet 2010 19:13 To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC The best information I have (which may not be up to date) was that the IGF continuance would be on the agenda at the UN-ECOSOC meeting yesterday (Friday) afternoon in New York. Does anyone have any intelligence on what might be the outcome? -- Roland Perry ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bdelachapelle at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:15:13 2010 From: bdelachapelle at gmail.com (Bertrand de La Chapelle) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:15:13 +0200 Subject: [governance] CSTD draft resolution adopted in ECOSOC Message-ID: Unless I'm mistaken, below was the final text of the draft resolution adopted in the CSTD. This resolution *has been adopted as such in ECOSOC this morning*. Best Bertrand ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bertrand de La Chapelle Date: Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:55 PM Subject: CSTD draft resolution : paragraphs on enhanced cooperation and IGF improvements To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Dear all, For information, please find attached the draft resolution prepared by the CSTD on WSIS follow-up. This draft is transmitted for adoption by the ECOSOC in July, hopefully with little - if any - modifications. The draft resolution, if adopted by ECOSOC, will initiate two complementary processes on, respectively, the process towards enhanced cooperation and possible improvements to the IGF. This was the result of truly intense negotiations but is only another step in the long road towards collaboratively designing the interaction modalities among all stakeholders. The key paragraphs of the draft resolution related to Internet governance are : 21. Recognizes that the Internet Governance related outcomes of WSIS, namely the process towards 'enhanced cooperation' and the convening of the IGF, are to be pursued by the UN Secretary General through two distinct processes and further recognizes that the two processes may be complementary to one another, *Enhanced cooperation* (...) 24. Invites the UN Secretary General to convene open and inclusive consultations involving all member states and all other stakeholders to proceed with the process towards the implementation of enhanced cooperation in order to enable governments, on an equal footing to carry out their roles and responsibilities in international public policy issues pertaining to the internet, but not in the day-to-day technical and operational matters, that do not impact on international public policy issues, through a balanced participation of all stakeholders in their respective roles and responsibilities, as stated in paragraph 35 of the Tunis Agenda. These consultations will be held before the end of 2010, the outcomes of which will be submitted to the 66th UN General Assembly for consideration through ECOSOC; *Internet Governance Forum* (...) 30. Invites the chair of the CSTD to establish, in an open and inclusive manner, a working group, to seek, compile and review inputs from all UN member States and all other stakeholders on improvements to the IGF in line with its mandate as set out in the Tunis Agenda for the Information Society, and report to its next substantive session in 2011 with recommendations as appropriate. This report is to constitute an input from the Commission to the General Assembly, through ECOSOC, for consideration, should the mandate of the IGF be extended,. Best Bertrand -- -- ____________________ Bertrand de La Chapelle Délégué Spécial pour la Société de l'Information / Special Envoy for the Information Society Ministère des Affaires Etrangères et Européennes/ French Ministry of Foreign and European Affairs Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32 "Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de Saint Exupéry ("there is no greater mission for humans than uniting humans") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Resolution WSIS (FINAL) .doc Type: application/msword Size: 54272 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From briceabba at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 04:38:27 2010 From: briceabba at hotmail.com (Brice Abba) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:38:27 +0000 Subject: [governance] Internet Governance in COTE d'Ivoire Message-ID: Hi All, this a link for a a newcomer in the big league. http://www.igici.ci/ this web site is in french for now... regards Brice ABBA Ingénieur en Sciences InformatiquesAdmin Système SAFRAN MORPHOResp. DNSsec au NIC CI et LABTIC, LARIT mob: (+225)-08-607-228 fix(home): (+225)-23-512-912 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : une messagerie fiable avec une protection anti-spam performante https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From b.schombe at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 08:26:11 2010 From: b.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin SCHOMBE) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:26:11 +0100 Subject: [governance] CSTD draft resolution adopted in ECOSOC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, Bertrand thank you for this crucial information because it allows us to justify our approach to decisions makers of our country, the indispensability of work in synergy in the spirit of the Tunis Agenda and as recommended in Action Plan of Geneva. This is a major step in the process of IGF. SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN COORDONNATEUR DU CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL (CAFEC) COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL REPRONTIC MEMBRE FACILITATEUR GAID AFRIQUE NCUC/GNSO MEMBER (ICANN) Téléphone mobile: +243998983491/+243999334571 +243811980914 email: b.schombe at gmail.com blog: http://akimambo.unblog.fr siège temporaire : Boulevard du 30 juin Immeuble Royal, Entrée A,7e niveau. 2010/7/19 Bertrand de La Chapelle > Unless I'm mistaken, below was the final text of the draft resolution > adopted in the CSTD. > > This resolution *has been adopted as such in ECOSOC this morning*. > > Best > > Bertrand > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bertrand de La Chapelle > Date: Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:55 PM > Subject: CSTD draft resolution : paragraphs on enhanced cooperation and IGF > improvements > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > Dear all, > > For information, please find attached the draft resolution prepared by the > CSTD on WSIS follow-up. This draft is transmitted for adoption by the ECOSOC > in July, hopefully with little - if any - modifications. The draft > resolution, if adopted by ECOSOC, will initiate two complementary processes > on, respectively, the process towards enhanced cooperation and possible > improvements to the IGF. > > This was the result of truly intense negotiations but is only another step > in the long road towards collaboratively designing the interaction > modalities among all stakeholders. > > The key paragraphs of the draft resolution related to Internet governance > are : > > 21. Recognizes that the Internet Governance related outcomes of WSIS, > namely the process towards 'enhanced cooperation' and the convening of the > IGF, are to be pursued by the UN Secretary General through two distinct > processes and further recognizes that the two processes may be complementary > to one another, > > *Enhanced cooperation* > > (...) > > 24. Invites the UN Secretary General to convene open and inclusive > consultations involving all member states and all other stakeholders to > proceed with the process towards the implementation of enhanced cooperation > in order to enable governments, on an equal footing to carry out their roles > and responsibilities in international public policy issues pertaining to the > internet, but not in the day-to-day technical and operational matters, that > do not impact on international public policy issues, through a balanced > participation of all stakeholders in their respective roles and > responsibilities, as stated in paragraph 35 of the Tunis Agenda. These > consultations will be held before the end of 2010, the outcomes of which > will be submitted to the 66th UN General Assembly for consideration > through ECOSOC; > > *Internet Governance Forum* > > (...) > > 30. Invites the chair of the CSTD to establish, in an open and inclusive > manner, a working group, to seek, compile and review inputs from all UN > member States and all other stakeholders on improvements to the IGF in line > with its mandate as set out in the Tunis Agenda for the Information Society, > and report to its next substantive session in 2011 with recommendations as > appropriate. This report is to constitute an input from the Commission to > the General Assembly, through ECOSOC, for consideration, should the mandate > of the IGF be extended,. > > Best > > Bertrand > > -- > > -- > ____________________ > Bertrand de La Chapelle > Délégué Spécial pour la Société de l'Information / Special Envoy for the > Information Society > Ministère des Affaires Etrangères et Européennes/ French Ministry of > Foreign and European Affairs > Tel : +33 (0)6 11 88 33 32 > > "Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes" Antoine de Saint > Exupéry > ("there is no greater mission for humans than uniting humans") > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Tue Jul 20 11:38:45 2010 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:38:45 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC References: <4c443a5d.e8e9d80a.5497.77e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06EC5@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Does anybody know whether this UN Panel of 15 has something to do with the ITU High Level Group on Cybersecurity, which was also established in 2005? And who knows the text of the 15 recomendations, the NYT article refers to? According to the article, these receommednations went directly to the UN Secretary General. Does it include a receommednation for a convention on cybersecurity? Thanks wolfgang Not on the discussion of the IGF continuance, but this happened also on Friday: Step Taken to End Impasse Over Cybersecurity Talks http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/world/17cyber.html&OQ=_rQ3D3&OP=11610be4Q2F9tWQ609-iQ3FQ256iihZ9ZzUz9zI9UI9ti6Q24-9UIQ3FTQ60W6.lhQ5DQ24 Renate Bloem ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 13:02:22 2010 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:02:22 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06EC5@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <4c443a5d.e8e9d80a.5497.77e0@mx.google.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06EC5@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: Good points, Wolfgang. Unless it is meant to be a "secret" document (and even so), I'd be interested to have a peek. Thanks, Mawaki 2010/7/20 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" : > Does anybody know whether this UN Panel of 15 has something to do with the ITU High Level Group on Cybersecurity, which was also established in 2005? And who knows the text of the 15 recomendations, the NYT article refers to? According to the article, these receommednations went directly to the UN Secretary General. Does it include a receommednation for a convention on cybersecurity? > > Thanks > > wolfgang > > > Not on the discussion of the IGF continuance, but this happened also on Friday: > > > > Step Taken to End Impasse Over Cybersecurity Talks > > http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/world/17cyber.html&OQ=_rQ3D3&OP=11610be4Q2F9tWQ609-iQ3FQ256iihZ9ZzUz9zI9UI9ti6Q24-9UIQ3FTQ60W6.lhQ5DQ24 > > > Renate Bloem > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >     governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: >     governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: >     http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 14:39:29 2010 From: yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?WXJq9iBM5G5zaXB1cm8=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:39:29 +0300 Subject: AW: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC Message-ID: Dear Wolfgang, dear all, In my understanding, they are separate groups, although there may be overlapping memberships. The origin of the "panel of 15" can be traced to the General Assembly resolution 58/32 from 3 Dec 2003; GA requested UNSG to study information security threats with the help of an international expert group. UNSG reported on the work of the group to the GA in 2005: http://disarmament.un.org/Library.nsf/c0996f411fc369518525704c00502170/e67ac010a7a643498525708800716e75/$FILE/exgr60.202.pdf This document includes also a list of members. Member countries seem to have changed somewhat. The most recent (Nov 2009) relevant First Committee report and recommendation can be found at: http://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N09/538/54/pdf/N0953854.pdf?OpenElement On another but related matter, there's an interesting report on a briefing that ECOSOC received July 16 on cyber security threats and challenges, as well as on the discussion of the enhanced cooperation and the continuation of the IGF: http://www.un.org/news/Press/docs/2010/ecosoc6444.doc.htm Best, Yrjö > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:38:45 +0200 > From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; renate.bloem at gmail.com; governance at lists.cpsr.org; roland at internetpolicyagency.com > Subject: AW: [governance] IGF continuance and ECOSOC > > Does anybody know whether this UN Panel of 15 has something to do with the ITU High Level Group on Cybersecurity, which was also established in 2005? And who knows the text of the 15 recomendations, the NYT article refers to? According to the article, these receommednations went directly to the UN Secretary General. Does it include a receommednation for a convention on cybersecurity? > > Thanks > > wolfgang > > > Not on the discussion of the IGF continuance, but this happened also on Friday: > > > > Step Taken to End Impasse Over Cybersecurity Talks > > http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/17/world/17cyber.html&OQ=_rQ3D3&OP=11610be4Q2F9tWQ609-iQ3FQ256iihZ9ZzUz9zI9UI9ti6Q24-9UIQ3FTQ60W6.lhQ5DQ24 > > > Renate Bloem > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From krum.jonev at dir.bg Wed Jul 21 05:54:24 2010 From: krum.jonev at dir.bg (krum.jonev at dir.bg) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:54:24 +0200 Subject: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track In-Reply-To: <4C331112.8010300@digsys.bg> References: <$6tuV$kKhnAMFAvP@perry.co.uk> <96587A11-760F-4D95-A061-2EB1A0D105E1@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530172340.05bb44c8@jefsey.com> <14E786AF-D5E7-41A1-8D1F-A76DDAEC1A6A@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530230827.05bb48a0@jefsey.com> <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C331112.8010300@digsys.bg> Message-ID: Hi, Just to keep you updated on this topic. Today the Bulgarian Ministry of Transport, IT and Communications launched a poll to collect public opinions on the topic of the Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. The proposed answers are: - "I don`t want anything except .бг" - "I don`t want an IDN ccTLD" - Also are added four new proposals for the string. Regards Krum On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:18:42 +0300 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > Eric, > > Grad to see there are still people who both see the issues at hand >and are prepared to openly discuss it. > > Daniel > > On 04.07.10 19:15, Eric Dierker wrote: >> I only know from my experience with ICANN but I have a suggestion >>that is generally not spoken but is as clear as a bell. The process >>that is open and transparent at ICANN almost always leaves an >>observer or participant scratching their head at the outcome. It is >>most closely understood as a Highschool social click. Science and >>logic and process cannot really offer any sense to it. It is more >>like "who" and "what" and "where" is "/in"/. >> >> The mere and startling fact that you conclude by saying in essence >>"what the hell *is* the next step?". Really exemplifies my point. >>And sadly the answer is just as plain as the huge schnouze on my >>face. Your next step is to */get popular/. Get yourself invited to >>parties, panels and write some stuff on some lists praising some >>inglorious staffer. Staff recommends only that which the staff feels >>is popular and boards-counsels WGs and TFs only support that which is >>popular. * >> * >> * >> *Taboos: 1. Any heated debate. 2. Any reference to misconduct. 3. >>Demanding anything at all. 4. Cohorting with folks deemed unwashed >>and not in the click.* >> * >> * >> *Don't get me wrong the party line Avri put forth here is a >>technical issue regarding confusion -- so they say these words but -- >>as you can see that is not at all the issue -- the technical issues >>are either disregarded or manufactured to meet the above criteria.* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* "krum.jonev at dir.bg" >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; jefsey >> *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 10:16:05 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track >> >> Hi all, >> >> On an interview today, the IT minister announced that Bulgaria will >>send a reconsideration request for the .бг string. >> >> Original source : >>http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=551142 (in Bulgarian) >> >> - >> Who will be the domain of Bulgaria in Cyrillic alphabet, after it >>emerged that looked like BR (Brazil) and will not happen? >> >> Minister: Yes, we received a refusal for the BG domain. I personally >>believe that this domain is the best for Bulgaria and the same is >>considered perhaps by the majority of IT industry. Therefore, we will >>make a new request. Will ask for reconsideration. >> >> And do not give up. >> >> Minister: No, do not give up the registration of the domain. I think >>he has the greatest effect. Other abbreviations in Cyrillic in my >>opinion will not be so ... >> >> BU, BYA, BGR ... >> >> Minister: No, these are not so typical for Bulgaria and will not be >>so popular. >> >> Even the whole "Bulgaria". >> >> Minister: I think that will not be as popular as both letters БГ >>(BG) >> >> How this will happen - the change of this refusal? >> >> Minister: Well, to change that refusal is a new procedure in an >>international organization that approves the registration of those >>domains. We got the first refusal, but that does not mean that with >>the second procedure we will also get a refusal - its possible to >>obtain approval. >> >> But what really count, because the simple logic is that true when >>you see BR in Brazil, right, it looks like BG of the Bulgarians. And >>because the Brazilians are the first - they give up? >> >> Minister: No, they will not quit, of course, we still rely on a >>deeper examination of the problem and hopefully to be approved this >>abbreviation because it is most typical for Bulgaria and I think it >>will benefit the most , it introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. >> >> - >> >> However, I don`t have an idea what is this "second"procedure - maybe >>the extended review? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Krum >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Wed Jul 21 08:09:56 2010 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:09:56 +0200 Subject: AW: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track References: <$6tuV$kKhnAMFAvP@perry.co.uk> <96587A11-760F-4D95-A061-2EB1A0D105E1@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530172340.05bb44c8@jefsey.com> <14E786AF-D5E7-41A1-8D1F-A76DDAEC1A6A@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530230827.05bb48a0@jefsey.com> <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C331112.8010300@digsys.bg> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06ECB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Thanks can you specify what the four alternative proposals are? Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: krum.jonev at dir.bg [mailto:krum.jonev at dir.bg] Gesendet: Mi 21.07.2010 11:54 An: governance at lists.cpsr.org Betreff: Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track Hi, Just to keep you updated on this topic. Today the Bulgarian Ministry of Transport, IT and Communications launched a poll to collect public opinions on the topic of the Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. The proposed answers are: - "I don`t want anything except .??" - "I don`t want an IDN ccTLD" - Also are added four new proposals for the string. Regards Krum On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:18:42 +0300 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > Eric, > > Grad to see there are still people who both see the issues at hand >and are prepared to openly discuss it. > > Daniel > > On 04.07.10 19:15, Eric Dierker wrote: >> I only know from my experience with ICANN but I have a suggestion >>that is generally not spoken but is as clear as a bell. The process >>that is open and transparent at ICANN almost always leaves an >>observer or participant scratching their head at the outcome. It is >>most closely understood as a Highschool social click. Science and >>logic and process cannot really offer any sense to it. It is more >>like "who" and "what" and "where" is "/in"/. >> >> The mere and startling fact that you conclude by saying in essence >>"what the hell *is* the next step?". Really exemplifies my point. >>And sadly the answer is just as plain as the huge schnouze on my >>face. Your next step is to */get popular/. Get yourself invited to >>parties, panels and write some stuff on some lists praising some >>inglorious staffer. Staff recommends only that which the staff feels >>is popular and boards-counsels WGs and TFs only support that which is >>popular. * >> * >> * >> *Taboos: 1. Any heated debate. 2. Any reference to misconduct. 3. >>Demanding anything at all. 4. Cohorting with folks deemed unwashed >>and not in the click.* >> * >> * >> *Don't get me wrong the party line Avri put forth here is a >>technical issue regarding confusion -- so they say these words but -- >>as you can see that is not at all the issue -- the technical issues >>are either disregarded or manufactured to meet the above criteria.* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* "krum.jonev at dir.bg" >> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; jefsey >> *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 10:16:05 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track >> >> Hi all, >> >> On an interview today, the IT minister announced that Bulgaria will >>send a reconsideration request for the .?? string. >> >> Original source : >>http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=551142 (in Bulgarian) >> >> - >> Who will be the domain of Bulgaria in Cyrillic alphabet, after it >>emerged that looked like BR (Brazil) and will not happen? >> >> Minister: Yes, we received a refusal for the BG domain. I personally >>believe that this domain is the best for Bulgaria and the same is >>considered perhaps by the majority of IT industry. Therefore, we will >>make a new request. Will ask for reconsideration. >> >> And do not give up. >> >> Minister: No, do not give up the registration of the domain. I think >>he has the greatest effect. Other abbreviations in Cyrillic in my >>opinion will not be so ... >> >> BU, BYA, BGR ... >> >> Minister: No, these are not so typical for Bulgaria and will not be >>so popular. >> >> Even the whole "Bulgaria". >> >> Minister: I think that will not be as popular as both letters ?? >>(BG) >> >> How this will happen - the change of this refusal? >> >> Minister: Well, to change that refusal is a new procedure in an >>international organization that approves the registration of those >>domains. We got the first refusal, but that does not mean that with >>the second procedure we will also get a refusal - its possible to >>obtain approval. >> >> But what really count, because the simple logic is that true when >>you see BR in Brazil, right, it looks like BG of the Bulgarians. And >>because the Brazilians are the first - they give up? >> >> Minister: No, they will not quit, of course, we still rely on a >>deeper examination of the problem and hopefully to be approved this >>abbreviation because it is most typical for Bulgaria and I think it >>will benefit the most , it introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. >> >> - >> >> However, I don`t have an idea what is this "second"procedure - maybe >>the extended review? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Krum >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From krum.jonev at dir.bg Wed Jul 21 08:18:23 2010 From: krum.jonev at dir.bg (krum.jonev at dir.bg) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:18:23 +0200 Subject: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track In-Reply-To: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06ECB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> References: <$6tuV$kKhnAMFAvP@perry.co.uk> <96587A11-760F-4D95-A061-2EB1A0D105E1@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530172340.05bb44c8@jefsey.com> <14E786AF-D5E7-41A1-8D1F-A76DDAEC1A6A@acm.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20100530230827.05bb48a0@jefsey.com> <585984.22126.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4C331112.8010300@digsys.bg> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A8A06ECB@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Message-ID: They are: .бгр (.bgr) .българия (.bulgaria) .бя (.ba, or more exactly .bya) .бъл (.bul) Regards, Krum On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:09:56 +0200 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote: > Thanks > > can you specify what the four alternative proposals are? > > Wolfgang > > ________________________________ > > Von: krum.jonev at dir.bg [mailto:krum.jonev at dir.bg] > Gesendet: Mi 21.07.2010 11:54 > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org > Betreff: Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track > > > > Hi, > > Just to keep you updated on this topic. > > Today the Bulgarian Ministry of Transport, IT and Communications > launched a poll to collect public opinions on the topic of the > Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. > > The proposed answers are: > > - "I don`t want anything except .??" > - "I don`t want an IDN ccTLD" > - Also are added four new proposals for the string. > > Regards > Krum > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:18:42 +0300 > Daniel Kalchev wrote: >> Eric, >> >> Grad to see there are still people who both see the issues at hand >>and are prepared to openly discuss it. >> >> Daniel >> >> On 04.07.10 19:15, Eric Dierker wrote: >>> I only know from my experience with ICANN but I have a suggestion >>>that is generally not spoken but is as clear as a bell. The process >>>that is open and transparent at ICANN almost always leaves an >>>observer or participant scratching their head at the outcome. It is >>>most closely understood as a Highschool social click. Science and >>>logic and process cannot really offer any sense to it. It is more >>>like "who" and "what" and "where" is "/in"/. >>> >>> The mere and startling fact that you conclude by saying in essence >>>"what the hell *is* the next step?". Really exemplifies my point. >>>And sadly the answer is just as plain as the huge schnouze on my >>>face. Your next step is to */get popular/. Get yourself invited to >>>parties, panels and write some stuff on some lists praising some >>>inglorious staffer. Staff recommends only that which the staff feels >>>is popular and boards-counsels WGs and TFs only support that which is >>>popular. * >>> * >>> * >>> *Taboos: 1. Any heated debate. 2. Any reference to misconduct. 3. >>>Demanding anything at all. 4. Cohorting with folks deemed unwashed >>>and not in the click.* >>> * >>> * >>> *Don't get me wrong the party line Avri put forth here is a >>>technical issue regarding confusion -- so they say these words but -- >>>as you can see that is not at all the issue -- the technical issues >>>are either disregarded or manufactured to meet the above criteria.* >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* "krum.jonev at dir.bg" >>> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; jefsey >>> *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 10:16:05 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] ICANN declined Bulgarian IDN fast-track >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> On an interview today, the IT minister announced that Bulgaria will >>>send a reconsideration request for the .?? string. >>> >>> Original source : >>>http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=551142 (in Bulgarian) >>> >>> - >>> Who will be the domain of Bulgaria in Cyrillic alphabet, after it >>>emerged that looked like BR (Brazil) and will not happen? >>> >>> Minister: Yes, we received a refusal for the BG domain. I personally >>>believe that this domain is the best for Bulgaria and the same is >>>considered perhaps by the majority of IT industry. Therefore, we will >>>make a new request. Will ask for reconsideration. >>> >>> And do not give up. >>> >>> Minister: No, do not give up the registration of the domain. I think >>>he has the greatest effect. Other abbreviations in Cyrillic in my >>>opinion will not be so ... >>> >>> BU, BYA, BGR ... >>> >>> Minister: No, these are not so typical for Bulgaria and will not be >>>so popular. >>> >>> Even the whole "Bulgaria". >>> >>> Minister: I think that will not be as popular as both letters ?? >>>(BG) >>> >>> How this will happen - the change of this refusal? >>> >>> Minister: Well, to change that refusal is a new procedure in an >>>international organization that approves the registration of those >>>domains. We got the first refusal, but that does not mean that with >>>the second procedure we will also get a refusal - its possible to >>>obtain approval. >>> >>> But what really count, because the simple logic is that true when >>>you see BR in Brazil, right, it looks like BG of the Bulgarians. And >>>because the Brazilians are the first - they give up? >>> >>> Minister: No, they will not quit, of course, we still rely on a >>>deeper examination of the problem and hopefully to be approved this >>>abbreviation because it is most typical for Bulgaria and I think it >>>will benefit the most , it introduce the Cyrillic alphabet. >>> >>> - >>> >>> However, I don`t have an idea what is this "second"procedure - maybe >>>the extended review? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Krum >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.cpsr.org >>> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >>> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >>> >>> >>> For all list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > >For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From avri at acm.org Wed Jul 21 13:56:07 2010 From: avri at acm.org (Avri Doria) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:56:07 -0400 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected ICANN Board Member References: Message-ID: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> Begin forwarded message: > From: ICANN At-Large Staff > Date: 21 July 2010 12:16:43 EDT > To: "alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org" , At-Large Worldwide , "afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org" , apralo , Discussion for At-Large Europe , "na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org" , LACRALO discussion list > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected ICANN Board Member > > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the ICANN Board of Directors > > 21 July 2010 > > The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is responsible for the global coordination of the Internet's system of unique identifiers – including domain names (such as .org and .museum), country codes (such as .uk and .ke) and the addresses used in a variety of Internet protocols – that help computers reach each other over the Internet. Without this coordination, we would not have one global Internet. > > The At-Large Community and the ICANN Board seat > > This Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) is part of the new process through which the user community within ICANN will appoint one voting member of the ICANN Board. While acting in a personal capacity as a member of the ICANN Board, this member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework. > > In seeking candidates for this post, ICANN's At-Large Community is looking for an individual with a broad international perspective and a background in Internet users' interests, consumer policy and/or civil society worldwide. > > "At-Large" is the name of the community of individual Internet users involved in ICANN's policy development process. It currently consists of over 120 active At-Large organisations (called "At-Large structures" or "ALSes"), representing the opinions of the global community of Internet users. At-Large provides a means through which individual end users of the Internet worldwide can participate in the matters on which ICANN works, such as: > > • Guidance on how to run Internationalized Domain Names (IDN); > • How to introduce new gTLDs (such as .info, .name and .museum); and > • How to implement a stable and fair transition from IPv4 to the next Internet addresses generation, IPv6. > > To learn more about the At-Large Community and its activities, please see the main ICANN At-Large Web page (http://www.atlarge.icann.org ) or contact any of the ALSes in your country of residence. All ALSes are listed on the At-Large Structure Applications and Certification Process Web page (http://www.atlarge.icann.org/applications ). > > What does an ICANN Board Director do? > > ICANN's Directors: > > · As a group, are responsible for exercising the powers of ICANN, controlling its property and conducting or directing its business and affairs, except as otherwise provided in ICANN's Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws (http://www.icann.org/en/general/bylaws.htm#VI ); > • Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies; and > • Are expected to support the ICANN mission and the implementation of ICANN's Core Values (as described in ICANN's Invitation for Statements of Interest and Suggestions for Candidates at http://nomcom.icann.org/invitation-2010.htm#roles ). > > For more information regarding ICANN's Directors, please refer to both ICANN's Structure chart (http://www.icann.org/en/structure ) and its Board of Directors list (http://www.icann.org/en/general/board.html ). > > Desirable characteristics > > The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), on behalf of the At-Large Community, has prepared a list of the desirable characteristics and details of commitments for the At-Large-selected Board member. These appear on the Director's Criteria Web page (https://st.icann.org/absdt/index.cgi?director_s_criteria ). > > Call for Statements of Interest > > The At-Large Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC) now calls for Statements of Interest (SOIs). > For more information regarding the BCEC, including member details, please see the At-Large Board Candidate Evaluation Committee Web page (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_board_candidate_evaluation_committee ). > > How to apply for consideration > > To apply, please complete and submit the Statement of Interest (SOI) available at https://www.bigpulse.com/m9918/intro . The form can be submitted online or printed and either: > > · Posted to At-Large Director Applications, ICANN, c/o Heidi Ullrich, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 320, Marina del Rey, California 90292, USA; or > · Faxed to +1 310 823 8649. > > To be considered, all SOIs must be: > > Completed and submitted in English; and > > Received by August 21, 2010, at 23:59 UTC. > > Please feel free to e-mail the BCEC with any questions regarding SOIs or the application process at BCEC-Request at icann.org. The BCEC will respond to all inquiries. > > For more information > > The following Web pages are available for further information: > > · At-Large Web page, regarding At-Large and ICANN (http://www.atlarge.icann.org ); > • At-Large Advisory Committee's Workspace, containing links to Wiki pages and information sources (https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?at_large_advisory_committee ); > • At-Large Director Selection Workspace (https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process ); > • Public Comment (a community consultation, including public comment period, was held on a White Paper outlining the proposed At-Large Director selection process) (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-05feb10-en.htm ); and > • ICANN/About (http://www.icann.org/en/about/ ). > > Background of the At-Large-selected Board seat > > The matter of the At-Large-selected Board seat(s) came from recommendations made by the ALAC Review Working Group in its report of 9 June 2009 (www.icann.org/en/reviews/alac/final-report-alac-review-09jun09-en.pdf ). The ICANN Board, in its August 2009 meeting, approved in principle the replacement of the ALAC Liaison to the Board by one Director, with full Board-member privileges, to be appointed from the At-Large Community. > > The Board requested that the ALAC submit to the Board Structural Improvements Committee (SIC) a plan outlining how this Board member would be selected, with the intent of having the new member seated no later than ICANN's Annual Meeting in December 2010. > > -- > Regards, > > Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström > ICANN At-Large Staff > > email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org > website: www.atlarge.icann.org ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) EN.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 77082 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org From karl at cavebear.com Wed Jul 21 17:12:02 2010 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:12:02 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected In-Reply-To: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> Message-ID: <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> From: ICANN At-Large Staff >> Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected >> ICANN Board Member >> Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large >> Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large Advisory >> Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the ICANN >> Board of Directors This announcement seems premature given that no process has yet been established for the public to chose who its director(s) shall be. At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) on the table. It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats into the ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From langdonorr at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 21:34:24 2010 From: langdonorr at gmail.com (Cheryl Langdon-Orr) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:34:24 +1000 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> Message-ID: Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent on this matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the matter of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re background on this... To answer the question about the approved process, the White Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public Comment back in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director ; and of course all the details of all the activities involved in this process are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this important topic => https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process < http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director > Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach wrote: > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > From: ICANN At-Large Staff >>> >> > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected >>> ICANN Board Member >>> >> > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large >>> Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large Advisory >>> Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the ICANN >>> Board of Directors >>> >> > This announcement seems premature given that no process has yet been > established for the public to chose who its director(s) shall be. At best > there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) on the table. > > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats into the ring, > with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as ringmaster, and before > the ring itself has been designed. > > --karl-- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Fri Jul 23 05:14:50 2010 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:14:50 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected In-Reply-To: References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <4C495D8A.4070800@cavebear.com> On 07/22/2010 06:34 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent on this > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the matter > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re > background on this... All of the materials are "draft" of "preliminary". Indeed even a proposed bylaw amendment is still open for comment. One usually discovers that it is unwise to pour concrete before the architectural design is established. In other words it is premature to start gathering names. In addition the proposed methods are in conflict with our recommendations in the board-level review of the at-large that the process for the public to chose its ICANN director(s) reach far beyond the bounds of the ALAC to encompass potentially any interested person affected by the internet whether or not that person chooses to participate in any ALAC body or sub-body. As it stands it appears that what is being created is a YANC - Yet Another Nominating Committee. In which case an appropriate question would be "why bother?" Which brings to mind MacBeth's metaphor upon hearing of the death of his wife: have all of our years of effort to give the community of internet users a real voice within ICANN come to be nothing more than "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"? --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From langdonorr at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 06:05:30 2010 From: langdonorr at gmail.com (Cheryl Langdon-Orr) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:05:30 +1000 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: <4C495D8A.4070800@cavebear.com> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C495D8A.4070800@cavebear.com> Message-ID: Karl we have specifically discussed this and taken the advice of ICANN Legal Council and the SIC so we (At-Large) are proceeding in a manner that will allow us to meet our planned time table and the recent resolution of the Board... so again as happens from time to time this is one of those points where we will just have to "agree to Disagree" with each other... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 23 July 2010 19:14, Karl Auerbach wrote: > On 07/22/2010 06:34 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > >> Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent on this >> matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the matter >> of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re >> background on this... >> > > All of the materials are "draft" of "preliminary". Indeed even a proposed > bylaw amendment is still open for comment. > > One usually discovers that it is unwise to pour concrete before the > architectural design is established. > > In other words it is premature to start gathering names. > > In addition the proposed methods are in conflict with our recommendations > in the board-level review of the at-large that the process for the public to > chose its ICANN director(s) reach far beyond the bounds of the ALAC to > encompass potentially any interested person affected by the internet whether > or not that person chooses to participate in any ALAC body or sub-body. > > As it stands it appears that what is being created is a YANC - Yet Another > Nominating Committee. In which case an appropriate question would be "why > bother?" > > Which brings to mind MacBeth's metaphor upon hearing of the death of his > wife: have all of our years of effort to give the community of internet > users a real voice within ICANN come to be nothing more than "a tale told by > an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"? > > --karl-- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Fri Jul 23 07:02:42 2010 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:02:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> Hi Cheryl, is there any document available that would describe which comments on the white paper have been taken into account and how? thank you, jeanette On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent on this > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the matter > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re > background on this... > > To answer the question about the approved process, the White > Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public Comment back > in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director; > and of course all the details of all the activities involved in this process > are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this important topic > => > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > > > > On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > wrote: > > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > From: ICANN At-Large Staff > > > > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: > ALAC-selected > ICANN Board Member > > > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large > Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large > Advisory > Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the > ICANN > Board of Directors > > > This announcement seems premature given that no process has yet been > established for the public to chose who its director(s) shall be. > At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) on the table. > > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats into the > ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as > ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. > > --karl-- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From karl at cavebear.com Fri Jul 23 14:37:19 2010 From: karl at cavebear.com (Karl Auerbach) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:19 -0700 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: ALAC-selected In-Reply-To: References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C495D8A.4070800@cavebear.com> Message-ID: <4C49E15F.50800@cavebear.com> On 07/23/2010 03:05 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Karl we have specifically discussed this and taken the advice of ICANN > Legal Council and the SIC so we (At-Large) are proceeding in a manner > that will allow us to meet our planned time table and the > recent resolution of the Board... so again as happens from time to time > this is one of those points where we will just have to "agree to > Disagree" with each other... I am afraid that it rises to more than "just disagree". Particularly since this system seems directly contrary to what we wrote in our ICANN board level recommendation about directors to be chosen by the community of internet users. Neither ICANN counsel nor any committee of the board has the authority to authorize ultra vires actions of the corporation. Perhaps ICANN ought to be taking accepting applications for new TLDs servers before the board of directors acts on it? Or perhaps Verisign or PIR ought to increase its registry fee in anticipation of a future action by the board? If what you say is true it is apparent that the entire concept of "public input" within ICANN is, giving it the most gentle interpretation, an intentional misrepresentation that the views of internet users matter. It is easily construed as "the public be damned we are going to do what we want anyway." I would go further as to suggest that during the period in which there is no actual formally adopted mechanism in the articles or bylaws should a particular person apply and then be subsequently elevated to a board seat that there would be grounds to question the propriety of that seating. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From langdonorr at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 17:43:08 2010 From: langdonorr at gmail.com (Cheryl Langdon-Orr) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:43:08 +1000 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> Message-ID: Yes Jennette of course there is; It is most easily found via the link labeled Summary/analysis of comments off the Public Comments Section in the ICANN site (i.e. attached to the original ICANN PC space here is the specific document link http://forum.icann.org/lists/at-large-director/msg00004.html ... and Staff is following up why that link or document is NOT also easily found via our Wiki and or the At-Large Web space (this is actually my preference) particularity now we are changing Wiki's from Social Text to Confluence and lost of migration will be happening over the next few months this is going to be important that the http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ site front page can be used to easily take people to their archive materials and collaborative works spaces...But that is another matter... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 23 July 2010 21:02, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > > is there any document available that would describe which comments on the > white paper have been taken into account and how? > > > thank you, jeanette > > > On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > >> Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent on this >> matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the matter >> of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re >> background on this... >> >> To answer the question about the approved process, the White >> Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public Comment >> back >> in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see >> >> http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director >> ; >> and of course all the details of all the activities involved in this >> process >> are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this important >> topic >> => >> >> https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process >> >> < >> http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director >> > >> Cheryl Langdon-Orr >> (CLO) >> >> >> >> >> On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > > wrote: >> >> On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> >> From: ICANN At-Large Staff> > >> >> >> >> Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: >> ALAC-selected >> ICANN Board Member >> >> >> Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's At-Large >> Community for consideration to be selected by the At-Large >> Advisory >> Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member of the >> ICANN >> Board of Directors >> >> >> This announcement seems premature given that no process has yet been >> established for the public to chose who its director(s) shall be. >> At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) on the >> table. >> >> It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats into the >> ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as >> ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. >> >> --karl-- >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Sat Jul 24 05:36:01 2010 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:36:01 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> Thanks Cheryl. I followed the link you offered and was a bit surprised. I definitely commented on the white paper and I saw at least one other comment. I remember this well because my comment disappeared the following day and it was a lot of hassle to get it back onto the website. The analysis of comments you point to assumes that there was just one comment from IPC. What happened to the other comments? In any case, it surprises me that there was so little public interest in such a big change of ALAC's constitution or did the discussion perhaps take place elsewhere? jeanette On 23.07.2010 22:43, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Yes Jennette of course there is; It is most easily found via the link > labeled Summary/analysis of comments > off the > Public Comments Section in the ICANN site (i.e. attached to the original > ICANN PC space here is the specific document link > http://forum.icann.org/lists/at-large-director/msg00004.html ... and > Staff is following up why that link or document is NOT also easily found > via our Wiki and or the At-Large Web space (this is actually > my preference) particularity now we are changing Wiki's from Social > Text to Confluence and lost of migration will be happening over the next > few months this is going to be important that the > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ site front page can be used to easily > take people to their archive materials and collaborative works > spaces...But that is another matter... > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > > > On 23 July 2010 21:02, Jeanette Hofmann > wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > is there any document available that would describe which comments > on the white paper have been taken into account and how? > > > thank you, jeanette > > > On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent > on this > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the > matter > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re > background on this... > > To answer the question about the approved process, the White > Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public > Comment back > in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director; > and of course all the details of all the activities involved in > this process > are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this > important topic > => > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > > > > On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > >> wrote: > > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > From: ICANN At-Large Staff > >> > > > > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: > ALAC-selected > ICANN Board Member > > > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's > At-Large > Community for consideration to be selected by the > At-Large > Advisory > Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member > of the > ICANN > Board of Directors > > > This announcement seems premature given that no process has > yet been > established for the public to chose who its director(s) > shall be. > At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) > on the table. > > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats > into the > ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as > ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. > > --karl-- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wnew at ip-watch.ch Sat Jul 24 11:07:29 2010 From: wnew at ip-watch.ch (wnew at ip-watch.ch) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:07:29 +0000 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <111136526-1279984124-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-59110369-@bda2094.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> U Sent from my BlackBerry® Smartphone supplied by Swisscom -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:36:01 To: ; Cheryl Langdon-Orr Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Jeanette Hofmann Cc: Karl Auerbach; ICANN AtLarge Staff Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: Thanks Cheryl. I followed the link you offered and was a bit surprised. I definitely commented on the white paper and I saw at least one other comment. I remember this well because my comment disappeared the following day and it was a lot of hassle to get it back onto the website. The analysis of comments you point to assumes that there was just one comment from IPC. What happened to the other comments? In any case, it surprises me that there was so little public interest in such a big change of ALAC's constitution or did the discussion perhaps take place elsewhere? jeanette On 23.07.2010 22:43, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > Yes Jennette of course there is; It is most easily found via the link > labeled Summary/analysis of comments > off the > Public Comments Section in the ICANN site (i.e. attached to the original > ICANN PC space here is the specific document link > http://forum.icann.org/lists/at-large-director/msg00004.html ... and > Staff is following up why that link or document is NOT also easily found > via our Wiki and or the At-Large Web space (this is actually > my preference) particularity now we are changing Wiki's from Social > Text to Confluence and lost of migration will be happening over the next > few months this is going to be important that the > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ site front page can be used to easily > take people to their archive materials and collaborative works > spaces...But that is another matter... > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > > > On 23 July 2010 21:02, Jeanette Hofmann > wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > is there any document available that would describe which comments > on the white paper have been taken into account and how? > > > thank you, jeanette > > > On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent > on this > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the > matter > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re > background on this... > > To answer the question about the approved process, the White > Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public > Comment back > in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director; > and of course all the details of all the activities involved in > this process > are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this > important topic > => > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > (CLO) > > > > > On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > >> wrote: > > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > From: ICANN At-Large Staff > >> > > > > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: > ALAC-selected > ICANN Board Member > > > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's > At-Large > Community for consideration to be selected by the > At-Large > Advisory > Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member > of the > ICANN > Board of Directors > > > This announcement seems premature given that no process has > yet been > established for the public to chose who its director(s) > shall be. > At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) > on the table. > > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats > into the > ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as > ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. > > --karl-- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca Sat Jul 24 15:19:21 2010 From: alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca (Alan Greenberg) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:19:21 -0400 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> Message-ID: Jeanette, the comments submitted via the Wiki or e-mail were addressed in the report to the SIC. It is pointed to by https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process. Regarding the Public Comment periods, sadly, that is the norm. The initial report of the PDP WT, which is recommending significant changes to the process by which gTLD policy is developed, has been posted for 8 weeks and so far has attracted zero comments. But I think you have identified the specific issue here. Those who were most interested commented during the At-Large comment period which largely preceded the Public Comment Period. Alan At 24/07/2010 05:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >Thanks Cheryl. I followed the link you offered and was a bit surprised. > >I definitely commented on the white paper and I saw at least one other >comment. I remember this well because my comment disappeared the >following day and it was a lot of hassle to get it back onto the website. > >The analysis of comments you point to assumes that there was just one >comment from IPC. What happened to the other comments? In any case, it >surprises me that there was so little public interest in such a big >change of ALAC's constitution or did the discussion perhaps take place >elsewhere? > >jeanette > >On 23.07.2010 22:43, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > > Yes Jennette of course there is; It is most easily found via the link > > labeled Summary/analysis of comments > > off the > > Public Comments Section in the ICANN site (i.e. attached to the original > > ICANN PC space here is the specific document link > > http://forum.icann.org/lists/at-large-director/msg00004.html ... and > > Staff is following up why that link or document is NOT also easily found > > via our Wiki and or the At-Large Web space (this is actually > > my preference) particularity now we are changing Wiki's from Social > > Text to Confluence and lost of migration will be happening over the next > > few months this is going to be important that the > > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ site front page can be used to easily > > take people to their archive materials and collaborative works > > spaces...But that is another matter... > > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > > (CLO) > > > > > > > > On 23 July 2010 21:02, Jeanette Hofmann > > wrote: > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > is there any document available that would describe which comments > > on the white paper have been taken into account and how? > > > > > > thank you, jeanette > > > > > > On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: > > > > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent > > on this > > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the > > matter > > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re > > background on this... > > > > To answer the question about the approved process, the White > > Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public > > Comment back > > in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see > > > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director; > > and of course all the details of all the activities involved in > > this process > > are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this > > important topic > > => > > > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process > > > > > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr > > (CLO) > > > > > > > > > > On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > > > >> wrote: > > > > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: > > > > From: ICANN At-Large Staff > > > >> > > > > > > > > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: > > ALAC-selected > > ICANN Board Member > > > > > > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's > > At-Large > > Community for consideration to be selected by the > > At-Large > > Advisory > > Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member > > of the > > ICANN > > Board of Directors > > > > > > This announcement seems premature given that no process has > > yet been > > established for the public to chose who its director(s) > > shall be. > > At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) > > on the table. > > > > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats > > into the > > ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as > > ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. > > > > --karl-- > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > > > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > > > > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > >For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > >Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanette at wzb.eu Sun Jul 25 09:41:04 2010 From: jeanette at wzb.eu (Jeanette Hofmann) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:41:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: In-Reply-To: References: <99BA326D-6EF3-4A81-A3FA-775308BF8BE9@acm.org> <4C4762A2.8060007@cavebear.com> <4C4976D2.2080009@wzb.eu> <4C4AB401.9000909@wzb.eu> Message-ID: <4C4C3EF0.1020202@wzb.eu> I am sorry Alan and Cheryl. I really don't get it. Does this mean you have discussed different comments on your white paper in different places or documents? I havn't found anything under the link Alan posted. Perhaps I am just not clever enough to understand your filing and communication system. Should there by any document by ALAC that does indeed reflect my comments, I would be grateful if you could point me to it in a private email. I don't think it makes much sense to continue this exchange on a public list. jeanette On 24.07.2010 20:19, Alan Greenberg wrote: > Jeanette, the comments submitted via the Wiki or e-mail were addressed > in the report to the SIC. It is pointed to by > https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process. > > > Regarding the Public Comment periods, sadly, that is the norm. The > initial report of the PDP WT, which is recommending significant changes > to the process by which gTLD policy is developed, has been posted for 8 > weeks and so far has attracted zero comments. But I think you have > identified the specific issue here. Those who were most interested > commented during the At-Large comment period which largely preceded the > Public Comment Period. > > Alan > > > At 24/07/2010 05:36 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: >> Thanks Cheryl. I followed the link you offered and was a bit surprised. >> >> I definitely commented on the white paper and I saw at least one other >> comment. I remember this well because my comment disappeared the >> following day and it was a lot of hassle to get it back onto the website. >> >> The analysis of comments you point to assumes that there was just one >> comment from IPC. What happened to the other comments? In any case, it >> surprises me that there was so little public interest in such a big >> change of ALAC's constitution or did the discussion perhaps take place >> elsewhere? >> >> jeanette >> >> On 23.07.2010 22:43, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: >> > Yes Jennette of course there is; It is most easily found via the link >> > labeled Summary/analysis of comments >> > off the >> > Public Comments Section in the ICANN site (i.e. attached to the >> original >> > ICANN PC space here is the specific document link >> > http://forum.icann.org/lists/at-large-director/msg00004.html ... and >> > Staff is following up why that link or document is NOT also easily >> found >> > via our Wiki and or the At-Large Web space (this is actually >> > my preference) particularity now we are changing Wiki's from Social >> > Text to Confluence and lost of migration will be happening over the >> next >> > few months this is going to be important that the >> > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ site front page can be used to easily >> > take people to their archive materials and collaborative works >> > spaces...But that is another matter... >> > >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr >> > (CLO) >> > >> > >> > >> > On 23 July 2010 21:02, Jeanette Hofmann > > > wrote: >> > >> > Hi Cheryl, >> > >> > is there any document available that would describe which comments >> > on the white paper have been taken into account and how? >> > >> > >> > thank you, jeanette >> > >> > >> > On 23.07.2010 02:34, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote: >> > >> > Hi Karl and list, inserted below is (part) of an email I sent >> > on this >> > matter to the NARALO list from a question raised by Avri on the >> > matter >> > of approved processes... I trust these links will assist you re >> > background on this... >> > >> > To answer the question about the approved process, the White >> > Paper on the whole selection Process went to full ICANN Public >> > Comment back >> > in Feb this year (ending 6th March) see >> > >> http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#at-large-director; >> >> > and of course all the details of all the activities involved in >> > this process >> > are found on pages linked from the Wiki Master page in this >> > important topic >> > => >> > >> https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?at_large_director_appointment_process >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr >> > (CLO) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 22 July 2010 07:12, Karl Auerbach > > >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > On 07/21/2010 10:56 AM, Avri Doria wrote: >> > >> > From: ICANN At-Large Staff> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: [At-Large] CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST: >> > ALAC-selected >> > ICANN Board Member >> > >> > >> > Call for Statements of Interest (SOIs) from ICANN's >> > At-Large >> > Community for consideration to be selected by the >> > At-Large >> > Advisory >> > Committee (ALAC) to serve as a (term-limited) member >> > of the >> > ICANN >> > Board of Directors >> > >> > >> > This announcement seems premature given that no process has >> > yet been >> > established for the public to chose who its director(s) >> > shall be. >> > At best there is a proposal (a very poor one in my eyes) >> > on the table. >> > >> > It seems as if ICANN is asking people to throw their hats >> > into the >> > ring, with the ALAC presuming that it will be appointed as >> > ringmaster, and before the ring itself has been designed. >> > >> > --karl-- >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.cpsr.org >> > > >> > >> > To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > For all list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.cpsr.org >> To be removed from the list, send any message to: >> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org >> >> For all list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.cpsr.org > To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org > > For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 13:14:13 2010 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:14:13 -0300 Subject: [governance] Deadline for IGF hub registration next Saturday Message-ID: Dear all, Sorry for the cross-posting. Just a quick remind of the deadline to* register IGF hubs*, which is *next Saturday,* *31 July* We also kindly ask the workshop organizers to appoint as soon as possible the *remote moderators* of their workshops. Please send their name and e-mail to igf at unog.ch *and* to info at igfremote.info Regards, Marília > 2010/7/9 Marilia Maciel > >> Please, help to disseminate this call widely in your regions and sorry for >> the cross-posting. >> >> *Take part on the discussions about Internet Governance: organize a local >> IGF hub in your home city * >> >> >> >> *1)** **The internet Governance Forum (IGF) >> * >> >> The IGF takes place once a year and aims to discuss issues related to >> Internet governance that touch directly upon the lives of Internet users, >> such as: privacy, freedom of expression, access to the Internet and content >> diversity, to name just a few. >> >> In 2010, the IGF will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania. Unfortunately, >> several factors may hamper physical attendance, such as professional >> commitments and travel costs. *But staying in your home city does not >> mean you cannot participate actively and make your voice heard. There will >> be interactive channels for remote participation.* You can watch the >> discussions from home, following the webcast of the event and participating >> through chat/video. But it is also possible to organize IGF hubs. >> >> >> >> *2) What are the Hubs?* >> >> The hubs are local meetings that take place in parallel with the main >> meeting. People can watch the webcast together and send questions (text or >> video) that will be answered by panelists in IGF. In addition, hub >> organizers can hold debates to discuss the themes introduced at the IGF, but >> from a local perspective. There are several advantages in creating a hub: it >> helps to raise awareness about Internet Governance issues, it fosters >> networking among participants and community building and it encourages >> follow-up activities. >> >> >> >> *3) How to organize a hub?* >> >> The requirements are very simple: >> >> - A room or auditorium. It can be held in a university classroom or >> any other convenient place >> - A computer with a broadband Internet connection and a video‐conference >> (or projector) equipment, to watch the webcast. >> - A hub moderator, who will plan the dynamics of the local roundtables >> and discussions as well as transmit the hub participants’ questions or >> comments to the IGF meeting through the remote participation channels. >> - A general call in lists, forums, etc, to invite the interested local >> community >> - An online training session to become familiar with the platform that >> will be used for interaction will be offered prior to the event >> >> *4) Dynamics of interaction during the meeting* >> >> Remote participants will be able to *follow the meeting* taking place in >> Vilnius by watching videocasts or listening to audiocasts from the meeting >> rooms, by viewing the PPT presentations from the speakers, and by reading >> real-time closed captioning. >> >> Remote participants will be able to *interact with the meeting*individually or from a hub. All remote participants will be able to send >> text questions, using the remote participation platform. These questions >> will be forwarded to the panel moderator when he/she opens the floor for >> questions from the audience. Hubs can also interact live through video. >> >> * >> * >> >> *5) How to register a hub* >> >> Visit the website of the IGF and follow the instructions: >> http://intgovforum.org/cms/the-preparatory-process/512 >> >> * >> * >> >> *6) More information about remote participation in the IGF* >> >> For more information about remote participation in the IGF, please contact >> the IGF Secretariat or the Remote Participation Working Group ( >> www.igfremote.info) at info at igfremote.info >> >> >> >> -- >> Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade >> FGV Direito Rio >> >> Center for Technology and Society >> Getulio Vargas Foundation >> Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >> > > -- Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade FGV Direito Rio Center for Technology and Society Getulio Vargas Foundation Rio de Janeiro - Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t