[governance] 'search neutrality' to go with net neutrality

[Avri Doria]

hi,

Every side in a discussion is constantly involved in designing new sy to name the things under discussion in ways that suits their arguments.

And that is why it safe to talk about the span from government crutch to the right of access - because the phrases indicate where someone sits in the spectrum of opinion. 

a.



On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:56, Michael Gurstein wrote:

> For a rather more general discussion (he doesn't use the term "blinkers"
> directly but the idea is there) take a look at George Lakoff's
> deconstruction of political language in various of his writings and how the
> Republicans have managed to reframe the political discussion in the US by
> the use of terminology such as "government crutches" (public support),
> "death taxes" (inheritance taxes), "union bosses" (union leaders)
> etc.etc.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff
> 
> MBG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:45 AM
> To: IGC
> Subject: Re: [governance] 'search neutrality' to go with net neutrality
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was just quoting someone else having spoken of it this way on the list -
> and it is an edge position that some hold.  
> Though I admit that I am one of those who favors minimal government
> involvement in the Internet except as an equal partner in an
> multistakeholder regime.
> 
> BTW: i do not understand how you get to describe other people as having
> blinkers on.  How does one achieve that perspective?  I can understand
> recognizing when I realize I have blinkers on, but do not understand how one
> can make such an evaluation about others.
> 
> But it is just my personal view that Thatcher's politics were dog eat dog
> politics.
> 
> a.
> 
> On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:47, Michael Gurstein wrote:
> 
>> Since when did acting in the public interest become "demanding a 
>> government crutch"?
>> 
>> These kinds of rhetorical flourishes indicate a deep if apparently 
>> unconscious set of ideological blinkers that in fact belie the rather 
>> more compromising content of the statement being made.
>> 
>> MBG
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:20 AM
>> To: IGC
>> Subject: Re: [governance] 'search neutrality' to go with net neutrality
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This seems to describe things in such black and white contrast:  
>> either governments must come in and give us a crutch or we have a dog 
>> eat dog Thatcherite regime.
>> 
>> I think the appropriate balance varies over time - and in my opinion 
>> this is a time where while the absolute power or responsibility of the 
>> government is (or should be) waning, it is still not completely out of 
>> the equation.  If I look at the discussions we have had on these 
>> topics, i think most of use fall somewhere on a very wide spectrum 
>> between those who demand a government crutch from the nanny state and 
>> Thatcherite laissez faire regime.
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 09:09, Roland Perry wrote:
>> 
>>> So it's nothing to do with "social/public interest", but whether or
>>> not people can expect a magic financial crutch to support them in 
>>> their adversity. It's almost exactly the same set of issues as the 
>>> current USA healthcare debate.
>>> 
>>> I wonder how many people on this list would wish that governments got
>>> themselves organised, and [attempted to] sort out all the perceived 
>>> ills on the Internet, on the grounds that they believe the current 
>>> mechanisms were failing their collective citizens?
>>> 
>>> And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is most of the IG debate in a
>>> nutshell.
>> 
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