[governance] Online survey on reform of the IGF and projects II

[Eric Dierker]

Fouad thank you for your lengthy discourse -- some clarification first.  If my post seems antagonistic or critical - deal with it.


--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:


WHO DO WE REPRESENT AND HOW
I am unaware of any representatives be elected aroung this list????

 They protect, they back, they coordinate
and they construct effective response and backing papers in light of
their member's statements.
WE DO NOT AND THIS MUST BE FIXED
Do we have the same mandate as they do - are we adversarial or advocates???

we will never
be in a position to counter the pressure that builds up and we cannot
even shake it.
WE NEED TO KNOW OUR RESPONSE AND COUNTERING METHODOLOGY IS
I understood us to be in a mode of logic and persuasion and discourse and enlightenment not debate.  Are we to be in a position of power?

.
WE HAVE TO SHOW WE ARE THERE AND WE BACK OUR MEMBERS AND WE KNOW WHAT
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
I do not think so,,, I think we have to show the genuineness and propriety of our input not support for individuals or a particular political agenda

WE HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT ROLE WE ARE PLAYING AND STRENGTHEN THE WEAK
SPOTS AND STOP COUNTERING OURSELVES IN THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF
COUNTERING WHAT REALLY HAS TO BE
I think that maybe we should be about listening and suggesting and lending critical thinking - not countering and winning.

 aren't on the same page where
as the private sector or government sector makes one statement and
every member and parent association backs their statement because it
serves their common good and they lobby too.
CIVIL SOCIETY MORNING MEETING IS A GOOD IDEA BUT WITH ONLY ONE PERSON
WITH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION DOESN'T EMPOWER THE REST OF THE GROUP
FOR BACKUP - WE HAVE TO BE OPEN ABOUT OUR AGENDAS
We should not have that type of "agenda" - a subject outline but not a strategy.

SOMETHING WORKED REALLY GOOD IN BETWEEN US - WE HAVE A WONDERFUL
CHEMISTRY, IT SHOULDN'T BE CONTROLLED - WE SHOULD ADOPT THE STARFISH
MODEL NOT THE SPIDER MODEL - WE CAN FEEL EACHOTHER
Synergy is good - but what you outline is a governance of people and not laws -- troublesome.

Now during the IGF, apart from Ginger's address as a speaker, there
were hardly any statements from the IGC nor did many members of the
IGC on the floor make a statement that "The IGC Feels" whereas the
transcripts are full of the governments groups (EU, Commonwealth etc.)
and the private sector (ICC, ICANN, CISCO, etc....) making continuous
statements and countering the debate. I for one moment stood up and
started by saying we from the developing world. Who was we? See that's
what happens when we operate in a controlled environment but which is
neither actually controlled or has no controllers. We have to work
together as IGC members and representatives and protect the interests
of the IGC be that a ten-pointer, fifty-pointer, 100-pointer or
whatever we can build consensus upon and take that forward from the
OC's to the MAG and to the IGF and show our stakeholders. We should be
free to make IGC background material and take statements and make
statements at the Open Consultations from IGC for IGC, protecting its
members interests and concerns and defining the way forward given by
its members.
LETS FIX WHAT WE NEED TO FIX FROM WITHIN AND THEN TELL THE WORLD WHAT
THEY NEED TO FIX
We are not rulers,,, we are not elected, our only important governance within is the promotion of intellectual participation and debate along with freedom of thought and expression

Our, APC's and the IRP statements would be very similar I feel because
those statements are all going in separate statements but we can put
them together in one too if they feel that the IGC is their
representative group and will be able to voice and protect their
interests and concerns. So our statement has a strong foundation for
our OC and MAG participants and we can continuously reference that and
keep raising our already accepted statements.
LETS WORK ON THIS AND IMPROVE OUR ENGAGEMENT IN THE IGF
Perhaps you mean "interface".

THE IGC APPEALS TEAM (according to the IGC charter):
In the end, as a member of the IGC Appeals Team, I would like to share
with members that you have democracy to voice your concerns. As the
Appeals team, we are a team of five (5) IGC members Appeals Team
(selected in 2009) Jeanette Hofmann (Europe), Adam Peake (Asia),
Carlos Afonso (LAC), Ken Lohento (Africa) and Myself (Mid East/South
Asia) and the Coordinators are not qualified to be members of the
appeals team.

Our IGC duties:  Any time 4 individual members of the IGC co-sign a
statement on the main IGC mailing list they can appeal any decision of
the coordinators. When a decision is appealed, the appeals team will
review any discussions that occurred and will request comments from
the IGC membership. Based on the information they collect and
discussion, they will decide on the merit of the appeal. Decisions by
the appeals team are based on a majority vote of the appeal team,
i.e., three (3) or more votes, except in the case of coordinator
recall which requires full consensus. The decision of the appeals team
will be final on every decision reviewed.
Sounds so ominous and formal - are folks entitled to a court appointed attorney ;-)

Will all the Appeals Team members please share their email addresses
with me if I haven't gotten in touch with anyone in order to be able
to communicate where needed and required? Mine is displayed in the
from of this message.

-- 
Regards.
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Fouad Bajwa

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