[governance] TIME Magazine's Person of the Year (Battle over WHO must be Transparent)
David Goldstein
goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au
Wed Dec 15 23:53:39 EST 2010
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But it has to be noted there are often topics that most definitely do not fit
within this definition...
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From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 16 December, 2010 3:41:32 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] TIME Magazine's Person of the Year (Battle over WHO
must be Transparent)
Who determines what is off topic and what is not?
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
This is actually nothing to do with Internet Governance...not even remotely.
>
>It's completely Off-Topic for this list AND the original posting
>contained a Godwin, so let's let it rest, eh? We have actual
>important topics to discuss.
>
>--
>Cheers,
>
>McTim
>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
>On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
><salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Respectfully, that is your presumption. You cannot presume to know what my
>> expectations are. That being said, I would proffer that each context is
>> different and that is why I had raised the questions I had raised initially.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM, David Goldstein
>> <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh this is just balmy... next you'll expect that a newspaper or other
>>> publication to follow the views of readers expressed in vox pops or opinion
>>> polls they conduct before they write an editorial.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein
>>> <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
>>> Cc: Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com>; Rui Correia
>>> <correia.rui at gmail.com>; Carlos Affonso Pereira de Souza
>>> <caffsouza at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thu, 16 December, 2010 2:54:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] TIME Magazine's Person of the Year (Battle over
>>> WHO must be Transparent)
>>>
>>> At the heart of the matter, is the "bottom line", Who pays for the ads and
>>> sponsors its publications? Is it susceptible to being banned? Is it afraid
>>> of being "controversial" and I suppose that as a magazine, the editors can
>>> do what they want.
>>>
>>> Respectfully, David I beg to differ. I think the issue that Paul raised is
>>> at the heart of the Internet Governance Debate (political basket) even if
>>> indirectly. Yes, the magazine can invoke its exclusionary clause and
>>> exercise its discretion by virtue of the disclaimer that it incorporates but
>>> the resounding message that it sends to its readers is a resounding:-
>>>
>>> 1) thank you for purchasing Time Magazine, we enjoy bringing you news and
>>> getting you to pay for it;
>>> 2) we cannot afford to be seen as "siding" with anyone who is a threat to
>>> US National Security and risk being sanctioned.
>>>
>>> This raises issues of "transparency" and if polling takes place via the
>>> internet, then of course it is "discussion" worthy. Below is an article from
>>> the NYT:-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Breaking News Alert
>>> The New York Times
>>> Wed, December 15, 2010 -- 9:08 PM ET
>>> -----
>>> U.S. Tries to Build Case for Conspiracy by WikiLeaks Founder
>>> Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the
>>> WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge
>>> dissemination of classified government documents, are looking
>>> for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an
>>> Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the
>>> information.
>>> Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether
>>> Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc.
>>> Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State
>>> Department files from a government computer system. If he did
>>> so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in
>>> the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents
>>> who then published them.
>>> Read More:
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/world/16wiki.html?emc=na
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:31 PM, David Goldstein
>>> <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh for god's sake, why can't Time choose someone as their person of the
>>>> year
>>>> different to their readers?
>>>>
>>>> Under what circumstances are the editors and those who chose the person
>>>> of the
>>>> year bound by any reader support?
>>>>
>>>> To think that Time as a magazine, who made it clear they reserved the
>>>> right to
>>>> disagree with their readers, should not be capable of making their own
>>>> choice is
>>>> frankly stupid.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com>
>>>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Carlos Affonso Pereira de Souza <caffsouza at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 December, 2010 11:58:15 AM
>>>> Subject: [governance] TIME Magazine's Person of the Year (Battle over WHO
>>>> must
>>>> be Transparent)
>>>>
>>>> For both internet and transparency purposes, Time Magazine's Person of
>>>> the Year choice, in light of its own Readers' Poll results, is
>>>> astounding.
>>>>
>>>> First, Time Magazine's Person of the Year starts with the Time
>>>> Readers' Poll -- which is now closed -- and which shows Assange in
>>>> first place, easily way ahead of everyone else for Time's 2010 Person
>>>> of the Year:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Julian Assange 382,026 votes, and 92% avg
>>>> rating (all voters)
>>>> 2. Recep Tayyip Erdogan 233,639 (avg rating 80%
>>>> 3. Lady Gaga 146,378 (avg rating 70%)
>>>> 4. Jon Stewart and John Colber 78,145, (avg rating 81%)
>>>> [snip]
>>>> 6. Barack Obama 27,478 (avg rating 58%)
>>>> 8. the Chilean Miners 29,124 (avg rating 47%).
>>>> 9. The Unemployed American 19,605 (avg rating 66%)
>>>> 10. Marc Zuckerberg 18,353 (avg rating 52%)
>>>> [snip]
>>>> See
>>>>
>>>>http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2028734_2029036,00.html
>>>>l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SO, after the Time Readers' Poll, WHO IS TIME'S PERSON OF THE YEAR?
>>>>
>>>> Well.... There was a "NOTE" attached to the Readers' Poll" to the
>>>> direct effect that "TIME's editors who choose the actual Person of
>>>> the Year reserve the right to disagree."
>>>>
>>>> And, boy, did Time editors ever disagree with the people that are
>>>> their own readers and customers.
>>>>
>>>> With a publication date of today (December 15, 2010) they chose the
>>>> 10th place finisher, Marc Zuckerbook of Facebook, who got less than
>>>> one vote for every 20.8 votes Assange got from Time Readers' Poll, and
>>>> got only about half the positive ranking of Assange (52% for
>>>> Zuckerberg, 92% for Assange).
>>>> http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2036683,00.html
>>>>
>>>> But, to me, the biggest contrast and biggest shock, bigger than
>>>> choosing the 10th place finisher over the first place finisher in the
>>>> Readers' Poll, is the stark contrast between #1 Assange and #10
>>>> Zuckerberg on WHOSE transparency should get facilitated:
>>>>
>>>> Assange is all about transparency/accountability for the powerful,
>>>> while Facebook (while it has other functions) is about transparency
>>>> (and necessarily accountability of various kinds) for the average
>>>> people. Facebook for example, is being monitored by US government
>>>> officials to gather information and intelligence on its own citizens
>>>> in certain contexts. Things like Facebook make it enormously easier
>>>> for the government to monitor aspects of the private lives of netizens
>>>> who often innocently think they're sharing just with their "Facebook
>>>> friends."
>>>>
>>>> TIME has had Hitler as man of the year decades ago, and routinely
>>>> stresses that selection of a Person of the Year isn't a personal
>>>> endorsement.
>>>>
>>>> But it is telling, isn't it, that if TIME thinks Zuckerberg's social
>>>> media is the wave of the present and of the future, TIME nevertheless
>>>> had to resort to grossly undemocratic means to amplify the cause of a
>>>> Facebook founder and ignore the overwhelmingly more popular cause of
>>>> accountability / transparency for the powerful governments and
>>>> corporations in the USA and around the world represented by Assange.
>>>>
>>>> Simply put, the person that has the power to demand or force
>>>> transparency on the other person or entity (like government) is the
>>>> master, and the one who must yield their privacy pretty much whenever
>>>> asked, and must be totally transparent when required is the servant or
>>>> slave entity.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the "relevance" of Zuckerberg, I find Time's choice to ignore
>>>> its own readers and undemocratically choose Zuckerberg to be chilling
>>>> when the type of "transparency" fostered by Facebook is compared to
>>>> the type of transparency offered and fostered by Julian Assange and
>>>> Wikileaks.
>>>>
>>>> In the Assange/Zuckergerg contrast, the status of ascending masters
>>>> and descending slaves is clear. Unless, of course, Assange continues
>>>> to win and decisions like TIME's POY debacle are exposed to a form of
>>>> transparency sometimes called robust criticism.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Lehto, J.D.
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