[governance] enhanced consultations - further inputs

[Ian Peter]

Hi Parminder, I have to pick up on this

> So?? We shd throw all governments into the sea and live by the law of the
jungle?

Except for the resultant pollution of the oceans ­ well, yes!

As an ecologist I am aware that jungles are far better behaved and
structured for co-operation than nation states. Jungle creatures are aware
of their inter dependencies and act to protect each others existence.  A
nice balance between different and complementary life forms which enhance
each other and could teach us a lot about enhanced co=operation.

I could go on at length here, but please, leave the jungles out of this if
you are looking for an analogy for some worse state of existence than nation
states. I am not sure that there is one to be honest, given the history of
silly wars , non democratic feudal behaviour, and intolerance, but if there
is a worse state it is certainly not the jungle!

Ian Peter


From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:34:11 +0530
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] enhanced consultations - further inputs



On Friday 03 December 2010 11:21 AM, McTim wrote:
>  
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:12 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>  wrote:
>   
>  
>>  
>> 
>> If you do not want them to misuse their sovereignty claims, especially vis a
>> vis matters that are are increasingly of global implication, then you need
>> to have alternative globally democratic power
>>     
>>  
>  
> 
> I'm with Avri, to think that gov'ts won't claim sovereignty and act
> unilaterally is idealistic at best.
>   

So?? We shd throw all governments into the sea and live by the law of the
jungle?

BTW, I did mention that in the areas under the ambit of WTO and WIPO,
governments, largely, are unable to act unilaterally.

About being 'idealistic', well, i dont know what is more idealistic than to
think that everything can self govern itself to the best satisfaction of
all, the kind of thinking that underlies your contributions to most
political discussions here.

Parminder 

>  
> 
> Unless your data is on a server in SeaLand
> (http://www.sealandgov.org/) or someplace like it, some gov't will be
> asserting authority of some kind.
> 
>   


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