[governance] enhanced consultations - further inputs

[McTim]

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:12 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday 02 December 2010 10:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I find lots of things ironic in the persecution of wikileaks and the
> upcoming martyrdom of Assange.
>
> I do not find it particularly ironic that a company is pressured to pull
> down the website in this extreme environment where most all of the countries
> of the world are screaming for his head and willing to get it in any way
> they can.
>
> I think it is highly ironic that the first time Interpol cares about a rape,
> I mean the quest to question someone over a possible case of rape and sexual
> abuse, enough to make someone Most Wanted.  If only they cared about all
> possible rapes and cases of sexual abuse with that degree of urgency.
> Normally I have a guilty until proven innocent view on accusations of rape
> (I know, this is a character fault) but in this case the happenstance of the
> accusations and the wikileaks Iraq papers, and now the ratcheting up when
> the cables are leaked make me somewhat suspicious.  In fact I see this as
> terrible gender exploitation by the powers that be.  Can't wait to see the
> insanity when they start leaking about the banks, probably accuse him of
> pedophilia.
>
> To answer your question, i think almost any server in the world would have
> been pressured to pull down wikileaks pages.  If only there were countries
> who provided a safe haven for information.  Would Amazon have done if France
> asked?  Probably - depends on how much of their business the French
> government can mess with and depends on whether they might be accused of
> assisting and abetting espionage in French courts.  I even bet that if his
> server was in India, it would have been pulled down if the India government
> cared about the leaks and said 'boo'.  And as long as governments insist on
> their sovereignty, no global central committee for internet governance
> policy is going to make any difference in this sort of issue.
>
>
> If you do not want them to misuse their sovereignty claims, especially vis a
> vis matters that are are increasingly of global implication, then you need
> to have alternative globally democratic power

I'm with Avri, to think that gov'ts won't claim sovereignty and act
unilaterally is idealistic at best.

Unless your data is on a server in SeaLand
(http://www.sealandgov.org/) or someplace like it, some gov't will be
asserting authority of some kind.

-- 
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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