[governance] Re: Respectful Interface & the Halal Search Engine Question

Sun Sep 6 22:33:31 EDT 2009

Sometimes if we look into one system - complex or "simple", we can find metaphors and guidance for our seemingly incomparable system.  Here I used the interface of children in a schoolhouse from differing homes and backgrounds to show the necessary harshness of discipline to maintain order. In order to interface well we must compromise our own values. This sounds so pedestrian and amoral. But in fact sometimes the greater good is the community, so molding and shaping our own desires so that we can "work" together is the greater good. (we all wish good luck to this list in this quest)

Milton* makes a beautiful case for Google being appropriate because it is successful. This is common "Karl Marx, opiate of the people" logic. And in fact it is true. Googles' goal is to appeal to the masses. Ease of use. Largest customer base. Larger and fastest anything.
I use Google because through the last decade we have grown up together. We know the same fishing holes and have both studied the word structure and subset mentality that works so well.** I know the sponsors of paid results, I know the bloggosphere it frequents and the News sources it relies upon. Ian is quite right but that is just an is not a value. Strange but these are the same qualities I look for in a club to join to be around like minded buddies. My Vietnamese wife gathers with her Vietnamese friends because they share so much. I gather with my googleese brethren because we usually think alike, or at least dress and talk alike.

I fully agree with Karl and Linda.  We must make our systems integrate and interface with each other in a respectful of differences way.  We must constantly adapt our interfaces between our machines and be cognizant of the fact we are altering our own X values to do so. We must somehow, much like a developing nation, learn to integrate while maintaining integrity and holding inviolate the almost human rights of our telecommunication technology interface machines. To me integrity is synonymous with security. Privacy is a social political concept that changes so rapidly in geographics as to be totally morphing and transitory..(this precept should be considered when denying cross list posting - probably a bad interface idea, but personally I avoid it, like mixing in-laws with siblings)

*I use Milton as my Socratic whipping boy because, at least on this list he sounds so pedantic and absolute it is easy to set him up as the straw-man. Of course he knows I respect him and only use this dialog method through respect and because he is unfazed and unphased. We all owe Milton a debt of gratitude for his contributions to "keeping it alive" over the past decade. Kudos and dittos to """All hail market competition! What a friend we have in....Mammon!! Genuflect to Market FUNDAMENTALISM ;-)"""M&M 9/6/09

** Google and I can speak with the same syntax and sentence structure. We both know when a conjunction is necessary and when it is superfluous. We know how to put subject nouns and adjectives together in order to communicate more better and sometimes we even repeat words for fun. We love to use headliner leaders to change words from one science to another. We respect each other. I hope my life is spent searching and so is his.

--- On Sun, 9/6/09, linda misek-falkoff <ldmisekfalkoff at gmail.com> wrote:

From: linda misek-falkoff <ldmisekfalkoff at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Respectful Interface
To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Voice of Freedom" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, "l.d. misek-falkoff" <ldmisekfalkoff at gmail.com>, respectful.interfaces at gmail.com
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 8:06 PM

Responding in thread   ....

And staying on the both-rights-and-development-and-throw-in-security ITC topic... and the famous edicts toward "respect4all" ... plus your current observations on variability (paraphrase) ...

Well maybe that's what we get as a vacillating culture of betimes descriptive-ist (sort of bottom up?) and betimes prescriptive-ist (sort of top down?) providers and provisees and processes providing provisions.

Agreed-  its at least about interfaces and interfaces about networks and etc. and these sometimes about people but often also about 'systems of systems' that are not flesh and blood. And in any case, single nodes being networks, that has to be taken into account as well.

If we wish.

P.S. Nothing I've been posting is about particular individuals.

P.P.S. Say more perhaps in a side note on the intriguing international norms for discourse.

And perhaps also 'decorum' the ''grand master-piece to observe".

LDMF
Online ARPANet forward..
And  now *Respectful Interfaces Programme*; Communications Coordination Committee for the U.N... 

Y'all come on by.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I am partaking on a rather long and sometimes boring independent work on International Norms for discourse. (I have found within a 20 mile radius there may be as many as 100 norms of respect, yet cities and rural have less in common than do cities from America and East Asia).

But today I took a side trip to an 1865 original schoolhouse from the American Southwest. Clearly the easiest place to find instruction on how to act is in education. 

This was quite a fun find and I believe I will find the origins in Jolly old England.  It is relevant here as we watch and undertake a vote, tightening controls over interface on this list.  Rules change and cultures deviate in a general way. But our systems are not so different than how we treated abhorrent behavior in the past. In my grade school we did not have lashes, we had swats on the behind. I was a record holder no doubt ;-)

ps - I searched for copywrites - if any one knows, please let them know I am a scoundrel.
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