[governance] Statement by IGC supporting rights and principles

[Eric Dierker]

This is quite disturbing. The argument does not go to the heart of the matter but rather who is in control of the heart of the matter.  Someone does not understand that the very words we use define our charactar.  Someone does not quite get that legal battles over words are how we accept or reject concepts that govern.  Avoiding a legal battle over words means that someone is avoiding an issue.
 
But what is most disturbing is that someone is basically threatening someone, to either get in step with those in power or be locked out of participation.

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org> wrote:


From: Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC supporting rights and principles
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:35 PM


Fouad,

a couple of anwers below. Meryem

Le 3 sept. 09 à 14:07, Fouad Bajwa a écrit :

> There are two things I thought I'd share.......
> 
> First can we explicitly mention the particular article/clause number
> from the WSIS Principles and the Tunis Agenda so that when the
> statement is read, it is recorded accurately during the preparatory.

You may have noticed that it's not a quote of WSIS Decl. or TA, rather a general reminder. As a matter of fact, the word "centrality" is not explicitly used in these texts, but rather in the CS Decl. The goal is not here to argue with clauses or articles. The discussion at next preparatory meeting is not expected to turn into a legal battle over these texts that anyone car refer to - at least I hope so.
If really felt needed, one may refer to the first part of the Decl ("our common vision of the information society"), especially para. 1-5 of the Decl. Similar references can be found in the Tunis Commitment, and in the TA (e.g. paras 42, 44, 46, etc.).
Again, I strongly advise not to enter into this.

> Secondly, can we have a backup document on Internet Rights, not
> particularly the APC one but a very independent one specifically from
> IGC that can be sent with this statement to the IGF Secrertariate.

As for now, the international bill of rights (UDHR + the two international covenants on civil and political rights and on economic social and cultural rights) or even the sole UDHR are enough. There are no such "Internet rights", but human rights as they apply on the internet. Charters such as the APC one tries to define such application. And the whole point of this IGC statement and of the existence of many coalitions, like the IRP one, is to try to discuss and commonly agree on how HR translates in the ifnromation society. It's easy to understand that if such a "very independent" document exists, then the whole discussion and the statement wouldn't be necessary. Thus the request is, as for now, to officially put the issue on the IGF table.

Best,
Meryem ____________________________________________________________
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