[governance] Cameroon and Wales collision in TLD space ?????

[Paul Lehto]

If there's not a democratic system of governance at ICANN, any such
"collision" of domain names or any other issue for that matter is
purely a matter for insider "experts" at ICANN and not the proper
"domain" of anyone on this list. If they wish to have anyone's
opinion, they will surely let us know.   ICANN has declared itself
"Independent" so to the extent anyone's opinion is even considered, it
is purely a matter (according to ICANN) of ICANN's grace in allowing
us to do so.  They just wouldn't of course call it "grace" but that's
what it would be.  They'd say they wished to invite a "diverse" and
"suitable cadre" to advise them.  Even Henry VIII would have said the
same.

Paul Lehto, Juris Doctor

On 10/16/09, Bertrand de La Chapelle <bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have seen in previous posts this reference to the possible collision
> between .cym and the three letter ISO code for Cameroon. Did not chime in
> then as the thread had continued on another topic, but I am a bit puzzled
> here.
>
> If there is a problem, it's with the Cayman island (3-letter iso code CYM),
> not Cameroon. As the Cayman islands are a UK territory, the relevant
> national authority is the same as the Wales proposal, isn't it ? Anyway,
> don't they already have a 2-letter ccTLD (kY is the 2-letter ISO 3166 code)
> ?
>
> The issue may be real (there may be cases of possible collision) but
> apparently the example does not work. Unless I'm mistaken which is possible
> given that it was a rapid check. I may have just exposed my insufficient
> knowledge ;-)
>
> I suppose the possible collisions will only appear in due course as other
> proposals will be put forward.
>
> Best
>
> Bertrand
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Roland Perry <
> roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>
>> In message <76f819dd0910151202y2a0ac3bbna59f0435a6a21558 at mail.gmail.com>,
>> at 12:02:43 on Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> writes
>>
>>> Roland, you dropped out of the debate about democracy and ICANN,
>>>
>>
>> I had said everything I wanted to.
>>
>>  Is this your hypothetical question about Cameroon and such?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. And while it's hypothetical today, I'm 99% sure that such a decision
>> will need to be made in the foreseeable future. Two groups of people are
>> on
>> a collision course!
>>
>> [I have no special interest in either the Cameroons, or Wales, but it's an
>> elegant example to highlight the difficulties than can arise in a
>> congested
>> name-space]
>>
>>   If so, please understand that even if you proved your apparent "case"
>>> that there are difficulties of implementation in your (straw man) version
>>> of
>>> democracy, it does not follow whatsoever that any old thing, most
>>> especially
>>> an un-democratic any old thing, can take the  place of some version of
>>> democracy.
>>>
>>
>> Which is why I asked what precise form of democracy *you* recommend to
>> resolve the 'collision' I described.
>>
>>  It would be more enlightening for you to answer the question:
>>>
>>> Do you believe any subset of the people, whether "experts" or owners,
>>> have the right to define and/or control or regulate the common life of
>>> people on the Internet?
>>>
>>
>> I'm trying to discover what subset of the people *you* would recommend
>> made
>> decisions to resolve 'collisions' like the one I described.
>>
>> Or if it's "all of the people", how would you organise a ballot on this
>> 'collision', that would avoid the drawbacks I mentioned in my original
>> question.
>>
>> --
>> Roland Perry
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>
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> Information Society
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