AW: [governance] so do i owe bill drake a pizza or not?

[Eric Dierker]

Wolfgang,
 
The majority on this list cannot possibly accept your analysis.  If they did they would have to accept some responsibility themselves.  Pontificates and professors and international foundation parasites cannot work in exchange for participation.  They cannot actually help to give individuals a voice or their organizations will lose their power.  They would have to stop criticizing stupid netizens and dotcommoners and BoD members. They would have to actually provide open and transparent and bottom up accountability in their own clubs. They would have to follow actual rules of human rights organizations and provide for voting in an appropriate manner within their own orgs. They would need to have open memberships. They would have to spend money on public education instead of conventions and worldwide meetings and self serving publications.
 
No I think they will continue to eat pizza with a fork and congratulate each other in the "I told you so - it will never work" old boy's network.

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:


From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Subject: AW: [governance] so do i owe bill drake a pizza or not?
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette at wzb.eu>, governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Avri Doria" <avri at psg.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:03 PM


Dear list,

I see it as a right next step into the right direction. If you understand the whole ICANN saga as a process than the "Affirmation" is just another step with an open outcome but a step forward. 

There are some points which are really innovative:

a. the review panels will produce an interesting mix of new and innocative multistakeholder bodies where the members of these bodies will have probably to write their own rules for inner communication and interaction. This is the exploration of new territory. This goes beyond the WGIG and MAG experiences. Certainly the final confirmation for the composition of the review panels is in the hands of ICANNs CEO abd the GAC Chair. But this is already an expression of "co-governance", or - with other words - a further decentralization of power and decision making. Nobody can make single decisions. This will complicated the process, will lead to delays and certain forms of fighting inwards and outwards, but it makes the whole process more transparent, democratic, inclusive and at the end accountable to the broader public.

b. I like also the various principles which are included in the text - starting from the public interest to consumer choice, privacy protection, competition, stability, security, interoperability etc. If you collect all these principles and list it on one page you have a "Internet Governance Declaration" which goes beyond the Tunis document.

c. I am also pleased that ICANN and NTIA resisted the bipartisan letter which came from the US Congress in August. In his video Beckstrom argues in an impressive way that the "Affirmation" meets on the one hand the criteria of the letter (security, stability, headquartered in the US, US role in the GAC) etc. but does not follow the congressional recommendation just to continue with the JPA in its present form for ever. A very smart move. 

I agree also with Bertrand that we need now a discussion how to implement this document, how to bring the paper language into political realities. It will depend to a high degree by the individuals (and institutions) who will become involved in this process. It will not be "rest in peace". It is a challenge with a lot of work, a lot of discussion and fierce struggles. But this process will create a dynamic process which will open doors to new territories with the potential to make Internet Governance more democratic, transparent, inclusive and accountable.

Wolfgang


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Von: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu]
Gesendet: Mi 30.09.2009 17:57
An: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria
Betreff: Re: [governance] so do i owe bill drake a pizza or not?



I would say the new arrangement offers a potential for change but is
very difficult to say at this point to what extent such changes will
become reality.

What I really like about the document is the degree to which the Obama
administration acknowledges

* the existence of other fora and communities ("cross-community
deliberations", para 7). This is very different from what we used to
hear, namely that we should participate in ICANN instead of criticizing
it from outside or elsewhere

* the problems with policy development in ICANN. Buzz words such as
"fact-based policy development", responsive consultation procedures,
"thorough and reasoned explanation of decisions taken" can be
interpreted as an attempt to change to transform ICANN style of policy
development.

Whether or not such a document can contribute to the badly needed change
is another matter. As regulation experts like to say, the more detailed
the rules, the easier to game them.

jeanette



Avri Doria wrote:
>
> On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:21, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
>
>> Hi Mc tim,
>>
>> I must have misunderstood. I thought Milton bought pizza if nothing
>> changed ?
>>
>> B.
>
>
> And something did change.
>
> Though I am not sure how much there is for Civil society to be cheer about.
> It is like the old days of WSIS, CS will be beholden to the gov't chair
> for right of participation.
>
> Or, in the long run, other then outward appearance, how significant the
> change will turn out to be for ICANN processes.
>
> a.
>
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