Fwd: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology/Pirate Bay

Thu Jun 25 14:06:56 EDT 2009

Thank you Aaron for not giving up and not going quietly.

I am sure that on many ocassions you been so depressed and angry that you have screemed alone in the dark. I suggest you just keep on screaming here.  Follow Mr. Williams lead and just keep at it and plugging away. You will not get thanks or even any recognition, but they will listen. Even though they ignore or censor.

Here is more that substantiates your cry:
http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=sa&id=1692

This at first seems far fetched and from a bad source -- but on reading it makes some sense;
http://gawker.com/5294026/is-the-associated-press-aiding-iranian-censorship
AP report;
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16023/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=V0z1oYnB
Seems like our IP megalomaniacs and multinational corps would shut down an essential file sharing that helps spread the word. Pirate/Persian Bay revisited ???

America is a huge country, we are not easily lumped into the categories of Evil that you attribute to each and every one of us.  We probably always burn the candle at both ends;
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/06/2009624225744811593.html

But even from BBC we see hope -- And believe me he could not do this if not for the pressure from the light of the Internet;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8118783.stm

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
To: "WSIS Internet Governance Caucus" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 3:26 PM

Eric

Name calling are contextual and were just aimed at beefing up points.
I agree that these are trying times. Such moments could be well
handled by the preparedness to call a spade, a spade. If not, let us
prepare for another 1979 revolution some where else.

If we want a safer world, there should be a redefinition of what
"national interest" is. It is because of "national interest" that arms
are sold to warlords in somalia (resulting to the Darfur) or in the
Congo and else where.It is for "national interest" that some American
conglomerates will forego a project that can benefit the population
(in the Chad-Cameroon Pipeline project) and instead offer bribes to
government officials knowing that these very officials wilm stash the
loot in havens in the West. The list is long. You can also ask why
"Western" leaders are very luke warm with leaders of third world
countries that are very popular in their countries- to say it
properly, who have a political base like say Barack Obama, Gordon
Brown, or Nocolas Sarkozy?.

The reason is simple: by patronizing leaders without a political base
in these countries, they stand the chances of obtaining free contracts
or seeing state monies being looted and channelled to them to finance
their election campaigns. Presidential candidates in France will
campaign on bicycles if African kleptocrats were to close their
wallets. The business empire of De Gaulle's country will crash like a
pile of cards if real competition were set up in awarding contracts in
French speaking African countries. See how Tony Blair wanted to eat
Mugabe raw. The sin of the octogenarian in Harare was that he engaged
in reforms (agreed during the Lancaster House Accords) that enabled
equitable distribution of lands. Mugabe who was decorated 'Master of
the British Empire-MBE- soon became a villain that suddenly ruined
Zimbabwe, ushering in record breaking inflation. I have googled for
over a year now and I am yet to find a country in the world that ever
approached such astronomic inflation rate and has not exploded. LET US
BE SERIOUS!!!

Thank God, Eric, the Internet is there. It enables people to get the
other side of the story. That is why people no more rely on BBC and
junior Pravda CNN- yes the channel created by Turner is no better than
the Soviet Pravda.

Cheers and let the debate foe a more kinder and safe world flow.

Aaron

On 6/25/09, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> May I go public with your comments to bring more light on this subject.  I
> think you are raising the right questions that we should be forcing into
> peoples faces right now.  We should not let this moment pass without keeping
> your issues in the forefront of peoples' minds.
>
> Just respond in public if that is alright with you.  Leave the name calling
> and hate statements intact for emphasis on the emotional aspects that are
> likewise important.
>
> I send you my good intentions in this time of trial of our charactar.
>
> Namaste'
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
> To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:36 PM
>
>
> Not wonderful Eric!!
>
> Do you blame the rascals to whom a sane person places at their disposal,
> destructive devices that they use to cause or the sane person for placing
> such devices at their disposal.
>
> The "West" cannot eat its cake and have it.
> You said:
> "We should advance all knowledge and techniques that advance common
> understanding".That I agree with you but can such knowledge that can cause
> destruction to humanity be placed at the disposal of any rogue as Western
> Companies are doing?
>
> The West knew that by selling the soft ware to Iran, the Mullahs will use it
> to stiffle dissent yet they did to turn around skirmishing.
>
> I can go on and on. Being "intellectual" on this forum as you are trying do
> is doing nothing to stop a worsening situation. You are just about doiung it
> the Donald Rumsfeld way or can I say the GOEBELLS GOERRINGS, since you know
> nothing American?,
>
> Cheers
>
> Aaron,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wonderful,
>
> Me thinks the man doth protest too much.
>
> We should advance all knowledge and techniques that advance common
> understanding.
> Stop to think about what this big bad spying technology is forcing the
> Mullahs to finally come to grips with.
>
> Now the intermediaries cannot deny the knowledge flow in both directions.
> We must keep in mind that while an ignorant populace is bad -- an ignorant
> tyrant is worse.
>
> I played with your obvious tense issue as a segway to the point. I cannot
> even speak American Baseballese.
>
> Because you are here, I consider you a friend.
>
> Of course anything I write may be made public.
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
> To: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 4:35 PM
>
>
>
> Eric Dear Bad Sir
>
> You can narrow the understanding of my posting to suit your whimps and
> caprices. That is your sur cup of tea.
>
> The time of cowing people out is past. The macro-understanding of my piece
> is that the so called "West" (Obama is understanding this better than some
> of you hawkish fellas) has for long placed its interest ahead of humanism.
> The advent of Internet has changed everything poor Eric. Even rogue states
> too that are protected by the West are using apparatus deviced by the West
> to "cow" down the West. The French say, "c'est de bonne guerre". When the
> gang leader is himself robbed, he goes havoc!!
>
> Mugabe became the "enfant gâté" just after Lancaster because the "West"
> wanted to crush the nationalist "Joshua Nkomo" who was tormented to death.
> All the noise by Western media about Mugabe's now is nonsense. The man's
> mafeassance existed long ago but the West who even decorated him with an MBE
> kept mute. When suddenly Mugabe turned around and asked but: "but what about
> the land reform?", he suddenly becomes a blood thirsty tyrant who has
> rendered Zimbawabwe broke to the West.
>
> Eric, it is not by trying to destroy the thermometer that an illness is
> cured. Instead of venting your splean at the Western companies (how can you
> that, as your life depend on such shoddy deals) that sold the technology to
> Iran (the very West that sold the technology to develop nuclear weapons to
> the Ayatollah state) you are opening your fangs to waffle things about some
> grammatical errors by me.
>
> One former US Speaker, Tip O'Neal once told Ronald Reagan that "it was a sin
> for America to have you as President". You know what, Reagan just told him,
> "Mr Speaker, if you are short of ideas to move America forward, you just
> shut up"
>
> GOT THAT ERIC; Dear Bad Sir
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
> Dear good Sir,
>
> I am most intrigued by your last line. You use the past tense term
> "understood" instead of a more conspicuous present tense. Perhaps this was a
> Freudian slip, missed grammar,,, or better yet -- is there something you
> could share with us regarding the current regime in Iran being relegated to
> history at this time?
>
> Has open and unstoppable Internet information flow toppled the government
> there??  Is it possible that much like the USSR, the information received
> has created  a luminare' into an unsustainable facade of governance?  Is the
> "west" again just too slow to see the success of free information and
> speech?
>
> Is it true that lists such as this have slowly eroded the pillars of
> ignorance and helped to shed the veil of deceit?
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <nyangkweagien at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [governance] WSJ: Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Ben Wagner" <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:43 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That is the "mighty West", always trying to eat its cake and having it. I
> cannot unbderstand the madenning call for freedom of expression by the so
> called Western countries and the sudden development of devices to stymie
> free expression.
>
> It is all the same business: third world nationalist governments are never
> condoned by the West who in their place, prefer less power-base election
> riggers and pilferers. See the red carpet given Western Leaders to the so
> called third world "elected Leaders"
>
> Iran understood how to deal with the west. Let them roost.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On 6/22/09, Ben Wagner <Ben at gsi.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
>
>
> The list of DPI-using countries which censor their populace seems to grow by
> day. It also seems that the line between censorship and surveillance is
> becoming increasingly blurred:
>
> ---
>
>
> Iran's Web Spying Aided By Western Technology
>
>
> The Iranian regime has developed, with the assistance of European
> telecommunications companies, one of the world's most sophisticated
> mechanisms for controlling and censoring the Internet, allowing it to
> examine the content of individual online communications on a massive scale.
>
>
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html
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Tel. 237 3337 55 31, 3337 50 22
Fax. 237 3342 29 70

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