[governance] The dawning of Internet censorship in Germany

Daniel Oppermann dan.oppermann at gmail.com
Wed Jun 17 21:59:27 EDT 2009 

Peter, I think there is no need to sell any "extra" (you mean an app to
overcome the filter, right?). You definitely find that information for
free on the net. 

Another question:
What do you mean with silencing people opposing child porn? In the end
the list will be controlled by the BKA. Do you think they will put
anyone opposing child porn on the list, maybe because some lobbyist
convinced them to do so?

I checked the website http://www.jugendschutzprogramm.de/ and also all
of its partners. It is definitely a product of the porn industry. So do
you mean that there is any danger that child porn critics or in general
filter critics could end up in this filter?


Daniel




Am Donnerstag, den 18.06.2009, 01:53 +0200 schrieb Peter Dambier:

> 
>  By introducing censoring we are silencing those people
> who oppose child abuse and we are introducing a save haven for the
> abusing industry who can now sell a means to overcome the filters.
> They could not sell this extra if we had closed their servers in the
> first place.
> 

> 

> 
> 
> Daniel Oppermann wrote:
> > Peter, I cannot say that I am a supporter of the CDU but I have to point
> > out that they are definitely not supporting the business of child abuse
> > online or offline. This seems to be a little too much of a conspiracy
> > thinking. And putting Hitler into this context is also far from reality.
> > Sorry, but I have to state this because this kind of mixing up things
> > gives a totally wrong picture of Germany for people living in other
> > countries and probably trying to understand the discussion about the
> > Internet filter going on in Germany.
> > 
> > There is definitely a problem with the lack of democratic control of the
> > filter list and I also agree that we are having a problem with police
> > activities against parts of civil society or social movements (or
> > however they prefer to be called). And behind that there are often
> > decisions made by the CDU. But that does not make them a totalitarian
> > party.
> > 
> > 
> > Best, Daniel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2009/6/17 Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de
> > <mailto:peter at peter-dambier.de>>
> > 
> >     Aaron it looks great,
> > 
> >     because it keeps the business running.
> >     The things they "censor" earn a lot of money and are not allowed
> >     to get censored. So we build a fake filter for grandma and keep
> >     the business rolling.
> > 
> >     The real problem:
> > 
> >     The fake filter keeps grandma from seeing what she does not want
> >     to see and keeps her from calling the police.
> > 
> >     Internet researchers have shown it is easy to close those sites.
> >     An email or a phone call can do - but that would destroy business.
> >     After all the CDU is business oriented.
> > 
> >     We are very much afraid of what the CDU is doing right now.
> >     The CDU used to be the "Zentrum" or the center party and they
> >     helped install what Hitler later on used to censor.
> > 
> >     The "censoring" they are going to install can censor anything.
> >     They guy who is feeding the filter is not controlled by anybody
> >     and leaks found of other filters show that 90% of the things
> >     filtered is just filtered for fun.
> > 
> >     Closing your eyes does not help you avoiding a thunderstorm.
> > 
> >     There have been police raids with thousands of homes searched
> >     here in germany and nobody was found guilty. Servers from the
> >     pirates party have been taken and nothing has been found.
> > 
> >     Sites were down and people are still regarded as guilty by
> >     their neigbars. Looks very much like NAZI germany.
> > 
> >     Kind regards
> >     Peter (german pirates party)
> > 
> >     Nyangkwe Agien Aaron wrote:
> >     >
> >     > I just read this and found it interesting for the caucus group.
> >     >
> >     > Quite a great move by the German authorities aimed at securing
> >     > responsible youth hood.
> >     >
> >     > Aaron
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > ==============================
> >     > ==============================
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > "Germany is on the verge of censoring its Internet: The government
> >     - a grand
> >     > coalition between the German social democrats and conservative
> >     party - seems
> >     > united in its decision: On 18 June 2009, the German Parliament is
> >     to vote on
> >     > the erection of an internet censorship architecture.
> >     >
> >     > The Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen kicked off
> >     and led the
> >     > discussions within the German Federal Government to block Internet
> >     sites in
> >     > order to fight child pornography. The general idea is to build a
> >     censorship
> >     > architecture enabling the government to block content containing child
> >     > pornography. The Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) is to
> >     > administer the lists of sites to be blocked and the internet providers
> >     > obliged to erect the secret censorship architecture for the
> >     government".
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
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> >     > Special Assistant The President
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> >     >
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> >     >
> > 
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