[governance] Some concerns with recent comments concerning the TLDA
Joe Baptista
baptista at publicroot.org
Sun Jun 7 23:11:30 EDT 2009
Hello:
I noticed that Karl Peters the CFO at the TLDA (Top Level Domain
Association) has posted something concerning the TLDA. I am a member of the
TLDA and have personal knowledge of the organization.
I disagree with the claims made by Mr. Peters to the governance list which
indicated the TLDA was mature. The TLDA is only mature in one way - the
organization has been around since 1999.
http://www.icann.org/dnso/tlda.html
In the 10 years it has been in existence it has accomplished absolutely
nothing.
At this time the organizations directors are under contract to deliver on
their primary mandate as per TLDA bylaws. The organization has till July
15th to full fill its obligations to the membership. I'll let you know if
it does.
Until then please consider the TLDA an organization of clowns who have yet
to deliver.
I have attached below a note to Bradley Thornton, a TLDA director with my
comments concerning Karl's statement to governance for further information.
kindest regards
joe baptista
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
Date: Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Subject: Some Notes for Brad Re: [Members] [FWD: RE:[governance] US Congress
& the JPA]
To: members at tldainc.org, public at tldainc.org
Cc: tlda-members at googlegroups.com
Some notes for Brad
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Bradley D. Thornton <Bradley at northtech.us>wrote:
> Hi Karl,
>
> um... You say they are notorious for, "...ignoring anything that does not
> go along with their flow..."
Sounds a lot like the TLDA today. These days I see a similarity between
ICANN and the TLDA. Both entrenched camps are basically composed of quasi
civil servants. ICANN civil servants have successful backgrounds. TLDA
civil servant don't. Half our board is either unemployed or unemployable
and in at least one case - both. They mean well - but competence does
matter - and we need to upgrade to be taken seriously..
>
>
> I don't have the time right now, but I've learned a few tricks here and
> there. When you get a list that exudes this level of arrogance (First of all
> they're legends in their own minds, but that's beside the point),
so are we - whats your point.
> If three or four people with the unpopular agenda join the list and begin
> to generate traffic on the topics that are part of their own agenda (Some of
> us here remember the crispy-crocketts), eventually, those arrogant list
> members can't help but take the bait and begin to respond, as they just
> can't keep themselves from wanting to be in a conversation LOL!
No - the TLDA is not ready to exclude itself from the arrogant list of
characters. I agree there.
I suggest Brad - you listen carefully to your membership.
Before the TLDA begins making advances to the community it must get it's
house in order and produce a TapRoot. The deadline for that is coming up on
July 15th. Thats the agreement the board entered into. The technical
aspects of the Taproot and all required policy to effect decisions of the
compliance committee and the publication of a recommended list of TLDs.
This must be in place as of July 15th.
I would ask that you focus on that.
>
> Like I said, I don't have the time right now, but I would really love to
> participate and help get our mission and its significance out there in a
> discussion on such a list ;)
Some other time Brad. Right now your under obligation to produce. And your
first deadline is July 15th. Your next deadline is October 15th. Thats
when you must have in place the means to represent us at ICANN.
I will now ask the board to please have Karl Peters refrain from
representing the TLDA on any list outside the TLDA. Karl has been involved
in some serious legal issues with the TLDA. He has lost all our records.
He falsified our bylaws. He broke board confidentiality and went on a libel
and slander campaign against me. It's all in the archives.
This is not the sort of person I want representing my interests as a TLDA
member at ICANN or any governance list. We have a president who can do a
better job of it. When it comes to piling on the bull shit in the executive
trade - he is the best at that.
I am of course the best at exposing the bullshit. But of all the TLDA
people - Gene Marsh our el presidente - is the least dirty from the HEX
incident that has competence in the executive foyer or any TLDA issue. Gene
knows when to keep his mouth shut.
O.K. Karl - please lay of the representation. May I suggest that all
correspondence from you representing the TLDA be first vetted by the
president who can then send it one under his name.
Please Karl - try to comply - because it's embarrassing to see this fraud
continue.
kindest regards
joe baptista
>
>
> Karl E. Peters wrote:
>
>> This post was what I responded on the "governance" list with regard to the
>> US congress' handling of internet matters. This group is notorious for
>> ignoring anything that does not go along with their flow, but I wanted to
>> share my comments here so you could see some of the fun I have on the other
>> lists. The issues dealt with here, however, are the highest calling of a
>> body like the TLDA, and part of what we should be prepared to step up and
>> do. While we sometimes feel we are striving to grow from a little club to a
>> little larger club, there is a real place and need for some group like us.
>> We must decide if we are to step up and be that group...
>> -Karl
>> My post follows:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: RE:[governance] US Congress & the JPA
>> From: "Karl E. Peters" <kpeters at tldainc.org>
>> Date: Sun, June 07, 2009 12:39 pm
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Kleinwächter,Wolfgang"
>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
>>
>> All, (Please hear me out before you delete!)
>> The main responsibility of the US congress as relates to the
>> internet is to protect the interests of the American people and
>> the resources the nation has deployed. (granted, it often does a
>> poor job of that, too!) It is important to note, especially for
>> the large number of you outside the USA, that there is absolutely
>> nothing to prevent you from establishing your own national or
>> regional server systems and forging alliances with others as they
>> benefit your people. In such a world, the cultural norms of each
>> nation or region can be addressed without concern of conflict with
>> the norms of another region. Each can exercise the "net
>> neutrality" it finds appropriate in its system and in its region
>> and the systems can all hold the Top Level Domains they wish to
>> and add some that would be of particular regional interest without
>> having to go through long and very expensive hassles with ICANN
>> each time. The only things needed to make a multi-system internet
>> work is a body to prevent potential naming collisions on what
>> would then be a wider and more diverse namespace. The TLDA, Inc.
>> (http://www.tldainc.org/) is a non-profit organization set up and
>> now maturing so as to be able to provide this TLD research and
>> coordination and other related services for the many current and
>> future root systems of the world, allowing each to thrive in its
>> own way, and yet protecting all of them from potential collisions
>> in the event that other systems would want to carry their regional
>> TLDs as well as their own.
>> Remember the original meaning of "internet", the
>> inter-relationship of many networks for the common good. ICANN's
>> self-serving policy is a stone around the neck of the American
>> people, and MUST seem even worse for other nations and cultures
>> wanting to see a vibrant and living internet name space. Why spend
>> all your time trying to push the ICANN mountain when you can
>> reasonably build your own highways and bi-ways in your own regions
>> and tie them together where it is beneficial to your people and
>> remain aloof in some other areas if that is best for your system
>> and people. Much of the world has complained for years of American
>> control over such resources as the internet. Why? Why not build
>> their own and make it flourish ans serve their people as they see fit?
>> There is no reason for the EU or the Arab League or Latin
>> America or China to care what a mess ICANN makes! They should make
>> competitive systems, each fitting their region's cultural needs,
>> and tie them together where it makes sense by carrying some of the
>> same TLDs and perhaps not some others, all by local choice. Why
>> not turn the conversation to what everyone else can do to make a
>> better internet, and NOT just on how to twist and force ICANN into
>> being what it can not understand how to be, a responsive and
>> responsible internet body? If each major population that has a
>> stake in the internet actually invested in it, they would have
>> what they want with FAR less trouble. Then, you would be REAL
>> stakeholder and not just an unhappy user group.
>> -Karl E. Peters
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: AW: [governance] US Congress & the JPA
>> From: "Kleinwächter,_Wolfgang"
>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
>> Date: Sun, June 07, 2009 5:20 am
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>
>> The whole hearing was an astonishing piece of ignorance by
>> some US congress members and some US industry representatives
>> with regard to legitimate interests of stakeholders and
>> nations around the world. Look into the references of the
>> study of the Technology Policy Institute (Lenard/White) -
>> which was obviously the main source for members of the
>> committee - and you get a clue what you can expect if these
>> groups will get decision making power over the future of
>> Internet Governance ;-(((. If this happens we will see another
>> round of a global ideological battles over the future of the
>> Internet with numerous unitended side effects, very
>> counterproducitve both to the globnal Internet community and
>> the US itself. The global view was totally ouf of the radar of
>> the majority of the committee members and some of the
>> panelists. What a gulf between the open eyes of the elected
>> president and the narrow view of these group of people.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
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