[governance] Is ICANN listening?

Joe Baptista baptista at publicroot.org
Thu Jul 30 20:18:46 EDT 2009 

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:02 PM, David Goldstein <
goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> It's hardly surprising you get treated as a child when you carry on with
> this behaviour. And no, I'd never level such an accusation against Avri.
>
> Maybe start acting like an adult and people will treat you like one.
>

No - the best way to deal with is to behave as a child. Avri has already
gotten plenty of grown up behavior and has been non responsive - now the
time is coming to apply the boot.

cheers
joe baptista

p.s. arguing with me is pointless.


>
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein <
> goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 July, 2009 6:29:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>
> Forgive me - for a moment I was under the impression you were talking of
> Avri. Since childish behavior is definitely what is going on here. When
> people don't listen anymore treating them as children appropriately places
> them in their proper places.
>
> So Avri - baby - whats going on here - why am I still being censored?
>
> regards
> joe baptista
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, David Goldstein <
> goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> How old are you Joe? 12 years old or thereabouts? Your childish behaviour
>> and comments would suggest so.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
>> *To:* Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>> *Cc:* Governance List <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, 31 July, 2009 3:45:51 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.
>>
>>
>> I'm not threatening you - I'm spelling out the facts. Before I would even
>> consider court I'll kick your ass in the best court of all time. That of
>> public opinion baby.
>>
>> Now I am being censored and thats not nice. Reinstate me. Thats an order
>> baby. I was kicked off the list for exposing a bit of ICANN fraud between
>> the former monitor and icann staff. Fine - big deal - I got an unauthorized
>> vacation and you participated in an immoral act against me which very well
>> was libelous and slanderous. That was you call honey. Not mine :)
>>
>> cheers
>> joe baptista
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> a.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:
>>>
>>>  I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri but
>>>> liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start pressing
>>>> that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that happens. I've
>>>> made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we add another dear?
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> joe baptista
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.
>>>>  However their are two people who were regular contributors
>>>> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and the
>>>> majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with nothing
>>>> open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your actions as
>>>> is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental process is backroom
>>>> and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and
>>>> ability to do and say opposite things.
>>>>
>>>> Using full headers reveals:
>>>>
>>>> List-Id: <governance.lists.cpsr.org>
>>>> List-Archive: <http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance>
>>>> List-Help: <mailto:sympa at lists.cpsr.org?subject=help>
>>>> List-Owner: <mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org>
>>>> List-Post: <mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>
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>>>> List-Unsubscribe:
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>>>>
>>>> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
>>>>
>>>> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>>>> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up
>>>> to you.
>>>>
>>>> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
>>>> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
>>>> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a
>>>> regular basis.
>>>>
>>>> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
>>>> regularly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
>>>> anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on
>>>> ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the
>>>> GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the
>>>> list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as
>>>> being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling
>>>> what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from
>>>> DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN
>>>> already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
>>>> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or
>>>> wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those
>>>> on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
>>>>
>>>> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
>>>> hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I
>>>> will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list
>>>> to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my
>>>> responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then,
>>>> I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
>>>> nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> a.
>>>>
>>>>
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