[governance] Is ICANN listening?

Thu Jul 30 16:29:22 EDT 2009

Forgive me - for a moment I was under the impression you were talking of
Avri. Since childish behavior is definitely what is going on here. When
people don't listen anymore treating them as children appropriately places
them in their proper places.

So Avri - baby - whats going on here - why am I still being censored?

regards
joe baptista

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, David Goldstein <
goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> How old are you Joe? 12 years old or thereabouts? Your childish behaviour
> and comments would suggest so.
>
> David
>
>
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> *From:* Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
> *To:* Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
> *Cc:* Governance List <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 July, 2009 3:45:51 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.
>
>
> I'm not threatening you - I'm spelling out the facts. Before I would even
> consider court I'll kick your ass in the best court of all time. That of
> public opinion baby.
>
> Now I am being censored and thats not nice. Reinstate me. Thats an order
> baby. I was kicked off the list for exposing a bit of ICANN fraud between
> the former monitor and icann staff. Fine - big deal - I got an unauthorized
> vacation and you participated in an immoral act against me which very well
> was libelous and slanderous. That was you call honey. Not mine :)
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
>
>>
>>
>> a.
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:
>>
>>  I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri but
>>> liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start pressing
>>> that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that happens. I've
>>> made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we add another dear?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> joe baptista
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.
>>>  However their are two people who were regular contributors
>>> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and the
>>> majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with nothing
>>> open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your actions as
>>> is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental process is backroom
>>> and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and
>>> ability to do and say opposite things.
>>>
>>> Using full headers reveals:
>>>
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>>> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
>>>
>>> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>>> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to
>>> you.
>>>
>>> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
>>> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
>>> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
>>> regularly.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
>>> anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on
>>> ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the
>>> GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the
>>> list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as
>>> being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling
>>> what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from
>>> DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN
>>> already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
>>> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or
>>> wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those
>>> on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
>>>
>>> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
>>> hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I
>>> will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list
>>> to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my
>>> responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then,
>>> I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
>>> nothing more.
>>>
>>> a.
>>>
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