[governance] Is ICANN listening?
Jeanette Hofmann
jeanette at wzb.eu
Thu Jul 30 01:48:43 EDT 2009
Hi, can you please take discussions about the GA list elsewhere and also
stop attacking members of the IG caucus?
Thank you. Jeanette
Eric Dierker wrote:
> Sorry, Not the first time I did not check. Mia Culpa, my bad.
>
> Our cool netiquette rules have been developed over a good period of
> time. They are not nonsense. In a very real respect/aspect they are as
> important as our Net Gov. of Protocals and Addressing. While sometimes
> passion and conviction seem to require a breach of common courtesy it
> should never be the rule. We should all endeavor to share a mutual
> respect by abiding by civil society decency in communication.
>
> A very poor and not so bright man once spoke; "if only my neighbor could
> to me, and I could to her, be fair, honest and courteous, I scarcely say
> there would be little need for government or laws" (ed - to a Jury, in
> a murder trial 1986)
>
> A big thank you to all those who monitor and domo, the world is a better
> place for your efforts.
>
> Eric
>
> --- On *Wed, 7/29/09, Lucy Lynch /<llynch at civil-tongue.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker"
> <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 3:44 PM
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > Well that is very nice Avri. And I agree with much of what you
> say. However their are two people who were regular contributors
> suspended/censored from the list. There are no recognized monitors
> and the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them.
> but with nothing open and transparent. So your talk is not
> consistent with your actions as is the case generally with the GNSO.
> Your governmental process is backroom and by fiat. So you really
> do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and ability to do and say
> opposite things.
>
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> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org>> wrote:
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> >
> > From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
> > To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org>>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
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> > On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
> <http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>
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> >
> >> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it
> is up to you.
> >
> > I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up
> and remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
> > Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on
> a regular basis.
> >
> > The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read
> it regularly.
> >
> >
> > I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that
> list anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish
> to comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact,
> without a decision of the GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board,
> I would see trying to change the list as out of scope for me. That
> is, I do not see my responsibility as being one of trying to make
> the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling what the GA was meant
> to be before it was decimated in the transition from DNSO to GNSO
> without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN already
> usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
> about to become one of them If the list wants to be more then a
> list or wants to spin off real organizations then it is the
> responsibility of those on that list to do so, and I would not
> hinder that effort.
> >
> > In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council
> (I can hear some people already rejoicing in the background!). At
> that point I will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point,
> if I want that list to be something more then a basket for
> complaints then it will be become my responsibility as a member of
> the list to try and do something. Until then, I am just one of the
> caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and nothing more.
> >
> > a.
> >
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